Freaking like some small changes to each map that you can choose. Idk. Weird idea.
But like Fortress with no ceiling and Beach with no water. The list could go on and make things even more fun for customization? Idk.
(Yes, the big stars would be moved in the Beach with no water. lol)
#Map Variants
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PIPES BUT YOU REMOVE THAT FREAKING PIPE IN THE MIDDLE THAT YOU GO UP AND DOWN AND YOU CAN JUST WALL JUMP AT THAT PART SO IT DOES NOT BREAK THE PACE!
Bricks but the bottom floor doesn't break.
Jungle but the acid is water.
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But jokes aside this could work as add-ons
Yeah, it does feel more like an add-on than an official feature. Maybe you have to hold down on a map when selecting it. Then it shows the variants. Like: Default, variant 1 name, variant 2 name. Something like that.
But whenever you click on a map as in just a normal click, it's the default.
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pipes but the pipes are now just colorful
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So basically it's map modifiers like vics but better? 
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Idk it would just spice up the current maps but making something that shouldn't take too long to develop but is still fun and fresh.
Like the no ceiling in Fortress idea. That simple change can really mix things up!
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So basically it's map modifiers like vics but better? <:readingwhat:144007091696...
turn every tile into bricks: 
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lol
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but it would be for specific maps. Not a customization like "add lava floor"
every map or most maps would have a unique variant... or 2 or more
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maybe Fortress's ceiling comes down like a Thwomp and you have to time yourself and be careful 👀
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Just add a fucking enemy that insta kills you
stoic elbow
this idea sounds interesting but wouldnt really fit in the game
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yeah that's the only thing
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like wow volcano without lava how cool 
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that map doesn't need to have that variation lol
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Water
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it could be a bit more than just a simple quick change
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let vic add this in vcmi 
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like maybe volcanoe's layout completely changes
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still the same size for the convinience of the developers
but new paths and stuff
like new layout Idk
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like maybe volcanoe's layout completely changes
old volcano 
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Beach but everything is more on the same level than having that part that goes up
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So basically the remixes from the mods no?
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old volcano <:dimbahh:1469294537204826133>
lol not THAT bad
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Yeah, it does feel more like an add-on than an official feature. Maybe you have ...
Bricks but every brick block becomes a spike block 💀
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Bricks but every brick block becomes a spike block 💀
Mario Maker moment
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I mean if the ideas are too wild then this suggestion just looks bad. 😭 🙏 XD
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grassland but it smells ass haha get it assland
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😭 🙏
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So it would maybe bring the pipes remix and others no?
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pipes 2
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if there's no variant idea for a map, it doesn't need to get one 💀
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jungle theme but its
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maybe a little icon with a number would show up to the maps that have variants
and if you want one, you hold down on the map when selecting it and a pop-up menu would show the options. default being at the top, then the variant(s) below
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🤡
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again, it doesn't need to be one thing like Jungle but water lol
it could be that the map has a slightly or major layout change
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Tuff music
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The only way I see this idea being really great is if we also change themes
For exemple, with Desert, we can have a sky desert (with the yellow clouds used in 2 - 6 in the original game) and an underground desert variant, along with maybe some custom ones. For Ghost House we can have its outside environment. Etc etc...
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Desert but it's been frozen over! (now uses ice and snow blocks)
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shipwreck ghost house from nsmbu
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there's so many cool variant ideas
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Make stairs able to slide
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Desert but it's been frozen over! (now uses ice and snow blocks)
nsmbu reference 
atp just use ezmod 
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Make stairs able to slide
you can do hyperspeed with stairs ;)
but no... a variant map would not be something that small 💀
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Honestly no
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We can alr do hyperspeed
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bruh
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It's better bring up and discuss changes to the maps design to make it better instead of "variants"
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Idk man. I thought this would make MvLO feel more fresh.
Granted, the ideas for the variants need to be good. Y'all are trolling with some of these. 😭 🙏
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Exaggerated comparison but its like having 1.7 propeller and a 2.0 propeller variant when the default is 1.7 propeller
no one likes 1.7 propeller
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It's better bring up and discuss changes to the maps design to make it better in...
you can always make the maps better
but sometimes you can just change it up in a way that makes it different and fresh
like Fortress with no ceiling
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no one likes 1.7 propeller
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Not to ruin your fun but i simply dont think its worth duplicating everything just for that
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Maybe if ipod pull out some magic addons can allow you edit vanilla maps idk
Still duplicates
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Oh
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Thats jank
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mvlo maker can maybe be an example
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Star being smart 
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There are a lot of submitted levels that aren't final or goes through a lot of changes
it gets bloated because there is so many versions of the same levels
map variants would also feel bloated, its better if theres a way to edit them, like with addons or smt
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Mb 
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map variants would also feel bloated, its better if theres a way to edit them, l...
well not really because if you make them only accessable by holding down on a map to bring up the variant sub menu, it wouldn't feel too crowded
but maybe it would feel like the game is "over doing it" with the map options? Idk
I honestly keep thinking back to how Halo has those options when choosing a custom map.
but that's for weapon placement stuff I think
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Smash Ultimate
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What's the point of removing water for Beach or removing Fortress' ceiling? it kills their key mechanic and it'll just be boring as hell
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Smash Ultimate
or Smash Ultimate lol
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Ok you've got a point there
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What's the point of removing water for Beach or removing Fortress' ceiling? it k...
it would make Fortress a fast pace map. sure the ceiling is the gimmick and it's probaby "better" but this is just a fresh new way to place
Beach with no water actually allows you to get killing oppertunities
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It would also kill Fortress because the map is small, AND linear
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🤷♂️
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these variant ideas don't need to be the actual ones lol
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then whats the idea
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Jungle with water? come on... that's fun 💀
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Nah
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or simply just layout changes
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Volcano but with a new slightly altered layout.
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bricks but its missing one brick tile
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just anything to give more fresh options Idk
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Mb where you got to wall jump near the poison for star mb
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bricks but its missing one brick tile
ur not helping make this idea sound good 😭 🙏
an actual idea for a Brick map variation is just having the bottom floor be sold blocks
now there's less dying which can make the chaos a bit different 💀
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imo it wouldnt make bricks as much fun you can’t send people to the void anymore
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Removing camping spots
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spits
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okay alright fine sure maybe but I'm sure there are ways maps can be remixed that will make them fun
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and this could finally allow ipod to change up the OG maps
since he said he doesn't want to
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Spits was on purpose
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variants gives him the perfect opportunity to mix. them. up!
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okay alright fine sure maybe but I'm sure there are ways maps can be remixed tha...
maek yur own modd
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it's just an idea
no need to be a party pooper 💀
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but maybe a mod does make more sense Idk
just trying to give ideas to make more fresh ideas
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Grickicetripnglonuskysertcanostbeach
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No fresh
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I love MvLO but like... to make it have even MORE replayability having pre-existing maps with different layous and fun twists seems like a cool idea.
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Twist is everyone dies after one dies
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im a mvlo player and i suggest the weirdest suggestions
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ugh Starlight just shut up. if ur not going to give actual criticism and just saying "this bad" while giving stupid ideas that make my suggestion look worse than just don't chat here >:/
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sry I'm heated Idk why
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like y'all can not like the idea it's okay but it feels like y'all just don't want it for the weirdest reasons lol
Windows10V actually have a good criticism I feel.
Even if I disagree.
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but like what changes to every map though
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maybe I'm blinded by my excitement of this new idea Idk
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suggest raccoon leaf powerup instead for the 37th time
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Just change the blocks layout 
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but like what changes to every map though
doesn't need to be every map ngl
maybe some get one variant. maybe some get multiple
just any good remix or unique twist to make the game more replayable
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And star layout
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eh maybe this idea is dumb Idk
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sounds interesting but sounds weird
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like wdym by map variants 🙂
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like wdym by map variants 🙂
Fortress with no ceiling. Beach but lava. Those are the "twist" ideas. Maybe those are stupid. Idk.
And any map could have a complete layout change. Whether it's slightly different or a complete overhaul.
Honestly just allows ipod to change up the OG maps too since those won't be touched.
Maybe Grassland has a layout resembling 1-2 instead of 1-1. (I don't remember what 1-2 looks like)
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the battlepass suggestion is WAYYY better
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Fuh no
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What about a 1.5x speed mode? 👀💦
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water
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We is not paying for Retep for a playable character
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whos we 👽
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Sky but the mushrooms are bouncy. 💀
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that would mean removing some of the blocks like that one in the middle with the "?" block and two bricks on the sides
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fortress but its actually fun
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💀
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Fortress but even when the ceiling is down, there are small paths to still get everywhere. Idk how that would look.
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Nor hammer
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OH
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exactly
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I do like the idea of Fortress but the ceiling comes down like a Thwomp every like 10 seconds.
Now that has strategy and even more suspense.
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😭 🙏
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With an indicator where it's coming from
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the only map I see that working on is a more opened up Pipes as that map doesn't loop all the way around
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Bro
Js make more space and add moving platforms
As well as a pit
With water mb
Dead suggestion thori 
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honestly could be interesting to have minor changes to the layout that don't like, change it that much but are still noticable.
though genuinely would HAVE to be a toggle in lobbies 😭
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honestly could be interesting to have minor changes to the layout that don't lik...
Wdym by togglable? 🤔
From how I view it, in the map selection screen, if you want a variant, you would have to hold down on the map and then the variant submenu would pop-up.
Then you can choose like default, variant name 1, variant name 2, etc. (if the map has 1 or more variants)
Otherwise, a normal click would just choose the default.
Do you mean like a toggle switch to show that the host may be choosing a variant? If that's the case, then I agree! It could be turned off by default so it's not super confusing. But for people who want more/different/fresh ways to play old maps... especially the OG maps... then this may be an interesting way to do so and make MvLO more replayable! (not that it isn't already lol)
but I do agree with the argument that it would kind of look like a mod maybe? If done right, and the variant ideas are fun, I think this would be a very cool inclusion! Idk.
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Wdym by togglable? 🤔
From how I view it, in the map selection screen, if you w...
ehh I was thinking by map variants it would be like where the map has a random small change or two instead of entirely different or separate maps or something like that
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ehh I was thinking by map variants it would be like where the map has a random s...
well that's kind of the idea of a "variant" map. just some changes to make the map fresh and different
like Fortress may have a variant where the ceiling comes down like a Thwomp every 10 seconds making it more stressful! ...or maybe there's no ceiling at all!
or maybe there's a slight layout change in volcano. Maybe Beach now has lava. The ideas are endless. It could be a small layout change, or a unique, easy to implement twist!
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ehh I feel like changing gimmicks like that wouldn't be good
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it wouldn't be entirely new maps. just the same map remixed slightly or whatever. I still don't know if this suggestion is a good idea. 😭 🙏 just think it gives the game fresh ideas. it does feel "mod/add-on like" tho