Setting to prioritize Groundpound over directional input (useful for GamePad users)

[cosmic epoch]

When running and jumping, the directional input is prioritized over groundpound, requiring to stop inputting directions before groundpounding. Prioritizing the down input will make it easier for gamepad people to input a groundpound.
(Probably this should be made a setting)

[cosmic epoch]

Groundpound should be prioritized over directional input

[blazing jungle]

Groundpounds not triggering on directional input is an accuracy thing, check the og

[cosmic epoch]

this is why i suggested a setting to prioritize groundpound-
i find really hard to groundpound on my gamepad because when i press down the directional buttons are pressed as well (when playing with a dpad and when playing with the analog stick)

may be just a thumb issue-

[vestal abyss]

doesn't feel good tho

[cosmic epoch]

Most gamepads have an awful dpad where holding down also presses the other directions

[ashen trout]

no the thing is that it was that way bc you played nsmb on a dpad (only 4 directions) so you wouldnt press those inputs at the same time making it feel fine, this time you can press a lot of inputs at once so like its just weird that this ''accuracy'' is applied even tho its not an accuracy but moreso a hardware limitation

[cosmic epoch]

also because it was thought to avoid people from randomly groundpounding to their deaths in the main game I feel

but mvlo is a way more competitive game and groundpounding is a key element of the game

[blazing jungle]

only 4 directions?

8, you mean?

if you hold down+right on the dpad it still doesnt groundpound in the og

[cosmic epoch]

I'd actually want to try if having priority on groundpound makes playing mvlo with a gamepad feel better-

[ancient nacelle]

I completely agree. Prioritizing groundpound would be a FANTASTIC togglable setting to add.

[fresh prawn]

guys are we for real

this would not be good

if you need to groundpound just stop holding forward

[cosmic epoch]

only suggested this because it's difficult to groundpound on modern dpads

[fresh prawn]

i play on a ps4 controller

hell i play on a pro controller

[cosmic epoch]

congrats?

[fresh prawn]

which has the worst dpad in history

and i dont think ive ever had this issue

and i dont think any mario game ever did this anyway so its inaccurate

if anything having it like this would make pro controller play worse as it loves to do phantom downs rather than phantom lefts or rights

[cosmic epoch]

some people have bigger thumbs and struggle more.. having a groundpound is pretty inconsistent in that case

[fresh prawn]

i have very large hands

i struggle with joycons sure

but not anything else

also im not sure ive ever had a controller that struggles to groundpound period

[cosmic epoch]

I mean, were it the base game yeah I'd be with you.. but ground pounds are a main focus of this game and struggling to input them isn't that nice-
to have it a toggable option would be cool

[fresh prawn]

but this shouldnt be a struggle, im telling you as soon as you toggle it this game will feel like garbage

[cosmic epoch]

eh joycons have a way better "dpad" tbf

[fresh prawn]

not really

4 buttons like that is bad

you cant just tilt your thumb

[cosmic epoch]

it is but at least when inputting down you don't input a direction by mistake because you're holding down to the left so the controller inputs left too

[fresh prawn]

ok but like

how do you even do that by accident

just move your thumb down rather than left and down

thats a diagonal

modern dpads dont have this issue

well

[cosmic epoch]

happens very often while running, to me.. just want to hold left, and then I input down not realizing I'm still inputting left and I just don't groundpound at all

[fresh prawn]

except those new xbox controllers

do you have one of those xbox controllers

[cosmic epoch]

may be a controller issue, yeah

[fresh prawn]

what controller do you play with

[cosmic epoch]

I haven't tried it yet so I wouldn't know..

[fresh prawn]

if i knew what controller you played with i could tell whether its a controller issue or if youre just.. bad

those xbox controllers suck on 2d platformers

[cosmic epoch]

I have a bunch but I prefer playing with a powera xbox controller (tried the Nvidia controller too and it doesn't feel much better)

[fresh prawn]

does it have the dpad that looks like

this

[cosmic epoch]

why don't they make controllers with a dpad like the ds's anymore. that dpad felt so good.

[cosmic epoch]

nop

[fresh prawn]

ah well ive had a power a xbox controller

the dpad actually worked fine

think you might just need to move your thumb more, maybe its a habit

[fresh prawn]

yeah that exact one

or maybe its a controller issue

cause those break fast

mine did

[cosmic epoch]

yeah it's for this habit that I'd like to try if prioritizing groundpound would make it better

[fresh prawn]

reinforcing the habit is bad because no other 2d platformer does that

and neither do all the official 2d marios

[cosmic epoch]

of course I can't input down by mistake when holding left

but when holding down, clicking on the left or right side is so easy and so groundpound doesn't input

[cosmic epoch]

groundpound isn't required in other 2d games, so not having it prioritized works

[fresh prawn]

im only able to accidentally hit left or right if i really try

oh

why didnt that embed

[cosmic epoch]

because it's mkv

[fresh prawn]

ah

[cosmic epoch]

thank discord for not recognizing that as a video

[fresh prawn]

i got it

give me a sec

[cosmic epoch]

To me it's like,
if I press down, then tilt my thumb to the left, then left is pressed too (same goes for right)
that actually doesn't happen at all on the 3ds and ds gamepad, only modern gamepads that are made to go round or smth

[fresh prawn]

maybe try pressing it lower

i think youre too high on it and youre making it go diagonal

[cosmic epoch]

Yeah it's what I do but it's really uncomfortable

[fresh prawn]

honestly just

get a different controller at some point

try a different brand

[cosmic epoch]

(get a smaller dpad)

[cosmic epoch]

I have a bunch, but all of them have this dpad problem except one that has them separated, but it's a Bluetooth only one and the other buttons kinda suck

[fresh prawn]

yeah if it happens on all of them its just the way that you press it

sorry

maybe your option will get added one day

or you could mod it

[cosmic epoch]

the other best one was the Nvidia,
which doesn't really work when I connect it via cable on Linux (only on Bluetooth it works flawlessly)
and it doesn't rumble despite having a rumble motor-

[fresh prawn]

i just turn rumble off

honestly it disrupts me more than it helps

[cosmic epoch]

I like rumble tbf, adds a bit of depth

the Nintendo pro controller rumbles weirdly (has a weird sound to it) and it isn't as satisfying as the Xbox one I use

the Xbox one rumbles kinda like a GameCube controller, but it has two motors instead of one

next time I have to try playing with a wiimote lmao

[cosmic epoch]

Setting to prioritize Groundpound over directional input (useful for GamePad users)

[cosmic epoch]

Bump! Without this setting, it's almost impossible to wiggle groundpound mid-air consistently with a gamepad

[hearty temple]

I personally would be fine with this being a toggle, especially with certain controllers in mind where it's not as easy to hit Down while airborne.

[hybrid yarrow]

toggle gamer mode

[cosmic epoch]

There were so many times where after groundpounding I tried to recover quickly but I couldn't because when holding up i also held a direction by mistake and so the groundpound cancel didn't count and I died

[old drum]

I think its best we leave it how it is...

[cosmic epoch]

it could, but I personally find it so hard to groundpound on a controller dpad (and I'm not yet used to play on a keyboard lmao).
It wouldn't be hard on a ds's dpad, but on modern controllers the dpad sucks so most of the time it holds directions with the down/up input, making it almost impossible to groundpound consistently (I have to move my finger more to make sure I am only pressing the down input and not any other direction, which makes my groundpound reactions slower and makes it harder to follow it up with a groundpound cancel)

[old drum]

I get it..

[cosmic epoch]

this is why I suggested a settings so players that would rather have their down/up inputs prioritized can groundpound more consistently

Otherwise idk I'll connect my DS to play MvLO

[ancient nacelle]

I mean, does it matter?
Same goes with not being able to ground pound right above a platform. It feels horrible on maps like Sky and Beach.
I get to make the game as close to the original as possible, but some features that were as is on the OG game feel horrible on the new maps, with up to 10 people, and/or in comparison with 1.7.

It's like this example.

Some stuff needs an upgrade from OG. Keep it as close to the OG as possible, sure... but don't actively make this online version worse for the sake of being close to the OG. That's just my 2 cents on the matter.

Sorry, Idk why I went on a rant there. 💀 I only rant this much because I genuinely love this game and want the best for it. 😭 👍

[normal vault]

Dw it's the most common debate here, accuracy vs better features
I agree with you anyway
I don't see any problem with this suggestion, and yes not being able to grounpound above platforms is incredibly frustrating

[cosmic epoch]

I actually switched to a pro controller and groundpounding is slightly easier, but I still feel like I'm not in total control of how my character moves

I mean, is it breaking the accuracy thing to make a setting to prioritize groundpound?
The og game doesn't have custom button configurations (only 2 presets), but this does, so what

[ancient nacelle]

honestly, I can get used to ground pount not being prioritized over directional input
it's the no ground pounding right above a surface that kills me 😭 (literally in game sometimes)

[cosmic epoch]

this post is about prioritizing groundpound tho

[ancient nacelle]

oh true true

I did make a dedicated suggestion for the ground pound above ground thing. 👀

[cosmic epoch]

saw that, but still this post is about a setting not a gameplay change

[blazing jungle]

Added in next update

[hybrid yarrow]

the moment ipod realizes he has just undone, 25% of the gameplay nerfs he made

[blazing jungle]

?

[hybrid yarrow]

i mean not a gameplay nerf but yeah just a buff really

[blazing jungle]

i personally dont like the setting

but it wont hurt existing

[hybrid yarrow]

shhh, 85% of the non-discord players will not know about the setting

[blazing jungle]

when i hold left+down i expect to insta-crouch when hitting the ground, not groundpound early

[hybrid yarrow]

Didn't you add the thing

that checks if you're high enough above ground

to gorundpound

or was that removed too and i have alzheimers?

[blazing jungle]

i was gonna remove. forgot about that,.

[vestal abyss]

this is late but, this is funny

[chrome ember]

I don't think it was that hard to stop holding direction before ground pounding. At least it's an optional feature

The thing is, pros usually end up performing ground pound cancels so you naturally let go off the direction imput.

[cosmic epoch]

Me a happy person now

[cosmic epoch]

It's not but the gamepad dpads suck nowadays and it happens very often that your thumb just isn't fast enough to switch from left/right to down/up without pressing one of the other buttons the moment you want to groudpound as well :')
causing for delayed groundpounds or no gps at all

I especially found GP cancelling inconsistent to do more than once on a dpad

[chrome ember]

Oh you mean the 4 directions between the cardinal points. Yeah but I recently switched to old dpad with a regular cross, cuz my controller has stick issue, and I prefer the new dpad

[cosmic epoch]

The dpad the ds and 3ds have are so great because there's no way you'd input a wrong direction there.. unfortunately I can't use those wired tho lmao

[ancient nacelle]

PLEASE!!! Please remove that too or make a setting so you can ground pound right above the ground!!! 🙏
Sorry I sound so beggy right now but I really love Beach and Sky and there are parts in that map that really need that feature back. 😭 But I understand if ya don't.

[hybrid yarrow]

👽

[ancient nacelle]

I probably sound like a 13 year old but it's my least favorite change from 1.7 to 2.0! 😭 🙏

I'll shut up now. 👍 All in all, 2.0 was a great update and ipod should be proud. MvLO is my favorite game at the moment. 🔥

[chrome ember]

he said he was removing it

[vestal abyss]

it's not my least favorite change of v2.0

but it's in my top 5 list that's for sure

[ancient nacelle]

It's mainly because Sky and Beach are two of my favorite maps and I get fricked by the "feature" so many times and it has made me want to quit multiple times. lol

[vestal abyss]

for me it's just because it makes the game feel like shit and for no reason

[jaunty ledge]

Just play Mario VS Luigi with a controller that has dedicated buttons for the dpad

Most notably playstation controllers

Analog stick groundpounding is a problem but I tend to use dpad for accuracy

[cosmic epoch]

I use to as well,
And I have tried different dpads,
but I always come to the same problem that it's difficult to input a groundpound when I want one the moment I want to stop moving

I however do not have a playstation controller, but I tried another controller that has a similar dpad with separated buttons and it kinda made gps easier but not so much..

but anyway, a dpad shouldn't be the one to solve a problem with action priorities..

[vestal abyss]

That's just a shit excuse for having this. It's also not an accuracy thing as I play both New SoUP DS and New SoUP Wii with keyboard and don't have this issue