[Updated] NEW Mountains Map Design!!!

[worn topaz]

Map: Mountains

after 1 month in development across 6 different overhauls, i've made a new map to be considered for MvLO!!! i know mountains have been suggested lots in the past, but i feel like i really found a way to make it work with this one!

ty to @sand crypt, @scarlet cloak, ame, my brother daniel [whos a gamedev], and many others for playtesting and feedback!

well, what sets it apart?

Level size:

this is a vertical level, which is fitting for the mountains theme!, its width is that of the bricks map, and its height is more than any map! (45 tiles) :3
"but does it work well as a vertical level?"
yis! there has been lots of playtests on this map to make sure everything flows as satisfyingly as possible (playtest clips are sent down below in the messages!), there is a reason to be at every part of the map, the top has the most coins and a powerup, the rickshaw is where the stars are, and the bottom is where fallen stars are going to be (,,,and where youll be knocked down if ya'arent careful! ;3) ^v^

Rickshaw:

the giant rickshaw is this stages staple! its a massive dynamic element, which makes it so that fights are always different!
fighting on this literally couldn't possibly be more fun!, and most stars spawn around here, so you and your opponents are gonna be trying to reclaim this area as much as you can!
"but isnt this like more of an obstacle compared to normal platforms?"
nawh!! the rickshaw and the platforms next to it are positioned in such a way that makes navigating it actually really enjoyable! you can run across the whole rickshaw easily, it never feels like youre fighting it!

Yellow pipes at the bottom

the yellow pipes at the bottom arent just for show, they send you to the top! (one way pipes) it really helps to make camping hard for other players, and its not overpowered since stars dont spawn at the top!

gameplay clips & more information in the messages right below ^v^

here are some gameplay clips to show this stage at its finest!!!~
(note: the coins were very hard to balance the proportions of, if you notice that theres a lot of extra coins in some clips, that was probably the 12836219th iteration of our coin balancing ^v^')

(note X2: the donut block falling texture is bugged and looks like garbled noise,, however theyre completly functional!!!)

[scarlet cloak]

really hope this one gets added

[sand crypt]

agreed

[worn topaz]

ty for the playtesting, guys!~

[sand crypt]

after playing through it felt really great to fight on lol

[zealous portal]

i say all it needs is to be a bit more fancy!

[scarlet cloak]

(I only gave feedback on what I saw from the picture)

[scarlet cloak]

huh?...

[sand crypt]

decor

(bg tiles)

[scarlet cloak]

frosty

I really

REALLY

don't want to see like five bushes

with different shades of green

[sand crypt]

no not bushes on mountains thats odd!

[scarlet cloak]

in the mountain

[sand crypt]

just the bg tiles from the mountain tileset

across the whole stage

[scarlet cloak]

wouldn't really fit frosty

[sand crypt]

thats all it's lacking (vin couldnt add them himself due to mvsl limitations)

[scarlet cloak]

literally no point to that, usually mvlo uses bg tiles under terrain

(I still hate that but don't tell anyone)

[worn topaz]

yeah,,, i really tried to, but like frosty said theres limits in NSMB, but decor doesnt affect gameplay so hopefully this proof that the stage plays well is enough!~

also something that i should add,,, this stage has mega exclusive spin blocks!!! mega can struggle with vertical mobility, so having destructible blocks on top of spintops makes it so that he can be just as threatening horizontally as he can vertically!!!

ofc, these can be used by non-mega players too when mega destroys the blocks on top of them ^v^

didnt have enough discord message space to put it in the post itself ^v^'

[void sleet]

sorry for ping you but what program do you use for make the map?

NSMBe?

[sand crypt]

yup

[haughty salmon]

yooo this actually looks hella cool!!

i really like the idea of a vertical level

and it looks fun to play on too

[haughty salmon]

i agree tho

i thought it lacked a bit of detail too

but i understand why

[quick jackal]

looks really cool but how did you get this in the actual game i wanna play it

[thin gyro]

I really like this! At first I didn't understand why there were even spin blocks if they were blocked by blocks breakable only for Mega but now I understand! It really feels like everything was thought for every powerup. It would be a nice addition to the game!

(might get some time before it's fully implemented though as iirc some blocks used in this map are not present in MvLO's code yet)

[worn topaz]

i got this in the game using NSMBe, which is a level editor for NSMB, :3
if youd like to play it, ( and this goes for anyone here: ) you can connect to my computer via parsec and we could play it together through there, just DM me and ill have it all set up for playtesting!!!

[worn topaz]

yes!!! tysm for noticing!!! i really did try to keep everything in mind, so im very happy that somebody noticed~ ^v^

this is why it took so long to make!

the level flows very well ^v^

[quick jackal]

i never used parsec before but i know its good for playing mario wii too

i love your battle course too

[worn topaz]

mhm!
and im going to assume youre from canada, which would mean that you wont have that much input delay considering im from canada too ^v^

[quick jackal]

im not but i wish i was kinda lol

[worn topaz]

ah, okioki, sorry your name gave off that impression a lil ^v^'

[quick jackal]

i knoo

is it possible to port a thing from nsmbe to this game tho

[sturdy steppe]

honeslty this map feels kinda meshed up

[worn topaz]

not directly, it would take a lot of customs code, but this has been done before for every single custom map added to the game, so thats not anything to hold it back ^v^

[river needle]

Honestly this one feels great.
(The fact that you used regular MvL makes you goated btw)
I really like the idea of a map developed on height instead of width

[worn topaz]

maybe with NSMBe's more cluttered way of showing a level (with things like chunk lines, view border lines, path lines etc) it may look cluttered, but when actually playing the level where there isnt any NSMBe editor clutter, it feels very open and nice, again, you should check the playtest clips to see this level for what it truely is! ^v^

[sturdy steppe]

the map doesn't let you jump to much

• so short

and for me it doesn't fit with the maps we have maybe try to make it if nintendo will tradicional

[worn topaz]

awh!!! tysm!!!
im glad you appreciate my levels gimmick as much as i enjoyed coming up with it!~

[river needle]

How would someone break those white blocks? Is the mega mushroom the only way?

[worn topaz]

yes! its so that mega wont struggle vertically, normally megas strength is that he has fast horizontal acceleration, but his vertical mobility is the same as everyone elses, this map changes that by having a mega-exclusive instant vertical option so hes still a huge threat (figuratively and literally)!~

[thin gyro]

please no

[compact totem]

i want

[thin gyro]

enough of horizontal maps please bring in verticality

[worn topaz]

-^v^-

[sturdy steppe]

bro mega is so OP on this map you will die instantly 💀

[thin gyro]

obviously?????

mega is OP by design

it's the rarest powerup

[sturdy steppe]

then how you can survive

[quick jackal]

go up high

[river needle]

luckily mega lasts about 10 seconds and it's a rare powerup that will only spawn on players that do badly

[sturdy steppe]

mega can jump

[quick jackal]

still

[thin gyro]

oml you have the stupidest takes

[quick jackal]

fr

[worn topaz]

thats every map if you dont know how to deal with him :'3
its a good thing we playtested, because mega actually feels slightly underpowered compared to other maps still, note that normal players can take the yellow pipes meanwhile mega cannot ^v^'

[sturdy steppe]

playtest proof?

[quick jackal]

mega is overpowered in desert cuz its so short

[thin gyro]

Above

[quick jackal]

not mega

[thin gyro]

.

[thin gyro]

He wanted proof that there was playtest lol

so there it is

[quick jackal]

well didnt specify lmao

[sturdy steppe]

as i see you will need to do much decorations to look good

[worn topaz]

i needed to be conservative about which clips i used, so i didnt use the mega clips i have, if youd like i can get some right now, we have some :3

[quick jackal]

it already looks good 😭😭😭

its a mountains map

[sturdy steppe]

then make tile background

[thin gyro]

have you read the messages in this thread 🥴

[river needle]

the map looks fine? what are you talking about

[thin gyro]

there aren't many decorations partially due to NSMB limitations

[quick jackal]

i wanna see how mega goes in this map

[river needle]

Has bro ever seen a mountain-

[thin gyro]

no

[sturdy steppe]

has bro ever touch grass-

[worn topaz]

kk!
itll take a bit between me needing to compress the file and crop it, but itll be here shortly :3

[river needle]

my arch enemy

[thin gyro]

personal attack for no reason

how old are you, just wondering

[quick jackal]

personal attack for no reason
asks personal information

[sturdy steppe]

Look at my bio what it says

[river needle]

btw um-
most of the decorations are already added by the background, so..

[sand crypt]

i mean personally after playing it I didn’t have any issues with mega or the verticality, the verticality plays super well and it’s not hard to get up, you can see it on the clips

[river needle]

Unless you want some mossy vines to appear out of nowhere for no extra reason

[quick jackal]

what decorations do mountain stages have

[sand crypt]

just the background tiles that are used for the ledge mechanic

[thin gyro]

under 13 100%

[river needle]

All I can think of is either moss or snow

[thin gyro]

anyway

[quick jackal]

was thinking of bushes but they dont really make sense

[sturdy steppe]

you under

[sand crypt]

yeah bushes would look weird lo

[quick jackal]

and idk where to put them cuz the blocks can be destroyed

[sturdy steppe]

not m

e

[worn topaz]

i used them at the mega spintop area, if any of you want examples for what that looks like :3

[river needle]

maybe vines..?
but that's stretching it

[quick jackal]

vines look weird

maybe the ones from jungle though (the ones you cant grab)

[river needle]

yeah there's just no decor that can go in the "air"

[thin gyro]

wasn't there a test with bushes and it looked bad?

[quick jackal]

still it would be weird to add any detail on the hard blocks otherwise mega would make it look off

[worn topaz]

nawh, theres just no grass in mountains so itd be out of place :3

[quick jackal]

ok

[sand crypt]

no he couldnt added bushes cause they’re not in the mountains tileset

[quick jackal]

but like in the online game you could probably add anything right

or no

[worn topaz]

and that too :3

[sand crypt]

yeah

[scarlet cloak]

???????

[worn topaz]

thats true, but again itd be weird to see bushes on a hard mountain surface ^v^'

[river needle]

yeah this is just as much decor as you can get.. unless you use custom sprites

but then again, the only thing that can be added to rocks is.. moss

[quick jackal]

i feel like small branches on the ground would fit

like tiny tree things

[scarlet cloak]

also you say this again, this time you're just wrong, what else would this have to do to be traditional

[quick jackal]

on the ground level

[thin gyro]

horizontal as every other map ever 😍

bro hates originality

[sand crypt]

i think this map is perfect as is

[quick jackal]

me too

[sand crypt]

it’s just the visuals that need to be improved

[river needle]

bro just hating on others because that'd make him feel good or something

[thin gyro]

yes, a little bit of everything for everyone

[quick jackal]

besides the spinning platform that would need to be added in

[river needle]

Yeah, same

[thin gyro]

doesn't bro accuse everyone of stealing from him

[river needle]

idk that guy well

but anyway, I love how this map looks on MvL already. Can't wait to play it on MvLo someday

[thin gyro]

seeing how many this idea got, it will prob get implemented

[scarlet cloak]

well... iPod hasn't added any maps from suggestions to the game at all
but still I'd like this map to get added

[scarlet cloak]

plus he hasn't even said anything in here

(I'm not saying iPod should add this map in 2.1, maybe it would be good in another update that's kinda big I guess like 2.5)

[thin gyro]

this one is very fleshed out

[river needle]

or having a separate section dedicated to maps by the community (with the ability to download them and play them at will), but I guess that would be too much work

[scarlet cloak]

way more than other maps

that I've seen that are also called mountain

[thin gyro]

this one has a finished playable version on the original MvL ready

[scarlet cloak]

(also I feel like this map gives off the most mvl vibes)

[river needle]

The moment I saw it it really felt like something to be played with more people than just Mario and Luigi alone

[scarlet cloak]

+++ I think more maps should have mega functionality

[thin gyro]

too big for only 2 players

[river needle]

Yeah. It would be a blast with a 10 player lobby.
I can already imagine the chaos of stars and mega mushrooms trying to get people from above

idk how the map would interact when 2 players are mega, though-

[thin gyro]

don't forget people waiting on the ground for stars to fall on

[river needle]

There are enough obstacles on the ground to prevent stars from immediately falling down

[scarlet cloak]

yeah

[river needle]

so if anything most will fall through the middle and possibly stay there for some time before falling again?

[worn topaz]

thats how it works most of the time, yes!~

[thin gyro]

also I really like the pipes, to go through the level you have to start at the top to work your way to the bottom

[scarlet cloak]

me too

it makes climbing much more convenient

[river needle]

I still wonder how two mega players would interact with each other, though..
Is the map wide enough for both?

[thin gyro]

it's also very different from every other map on MvLO - this one is really unique

[thin gyro]

I mean I don't think many maps work with 2 megas already 😭

[river needle]

yeah usually pipes are a mini mushroom exclusive, in some maps

[sand crypt]

i think we had footage of 2 megas together but that was when the map had more coins
though, surprisingly the map is barely big enough for both players
(ofc I’m talking about 1v1 cus it’s mvl and not with more people)

[scarlet cloak]

agreed

[river needle]

Yeah, but those are wide so the two players have enough space to walk around

[thin gyro]

bricks with two megas = death for everyone

[compact totem]

couldnt spell mega twice

[scarlet cloak]

I think some of us here must share this map around so maybe it gets popular enough to be added

[river needle]

Huh, I see..
talking about the mini mushroom, which I mentioned before.. there is no spot for it

[thin gyro]

thank my keyboard

[scarlet cloak]

well that's usually how it is in most maps

[compact totem]

thanks keyboard

[scarlet cloak]

plus what use would the mini have here?...

[river needle]

Yeah, it's what I've been thinking

[gilded gyro]

beach

[river needle]

The mini has no pipe to take advantage of, neither a safe spot to stay..
Most maps have something for mini (except volcano apparently)

[scarlet cloak]

that's literally one... and also search up map submissions + added to the game in suggestions

[sand crypt]

where was beach suggested cus it’s not in the forum

[gilded gyro]

the old suggestions channel, not this one 🙃

[scarlet cloak]

wouldn't really add anything..

[gilded gyro]

Anyways, why not add that spinning bill blaster

thats the only mountain theme gimmick i can think of

[worn topaz]

that was one of my previous iterations!!!

how ever,,,

[gilded gyro]

the rickshaws seems like more of a castle thing tbh

[worn topaz]

there were many problems,,,

[river needle]

Me neither, but that just makes the mini mushroom the absolute worst power up (as it already is, but this time even more) there

[gilded gyro]

?

[scarlet cloak]

like the mini spot in the fortress is the best, it makes sense
you get to move across two spaces while the ceiling is closed

[scarlet cloak]

literally where would that even fit....

[gilded gyro]

idk, you made the map

[scarlet cloak]

.....

[scarlet cloak]

while in literally the rest of the maps

it just feels.. there

especially in bonus it's Useless

[river needle]

Jungle has a (unreachable) mini pipe so the player can teleport around

Most maps, like Bonus, have places where the mini can be safe from other power ups..

[scarlet cloak]

it's not really unreachable

I could get there with a well timed jump

[gilded gyro]

Bonus pratically has no mini area

[young flume]

respectfully this design looks very annoying to fight on

[sand crypt]

no.. 😭

[river needle]

"well timed" being the keyword-

[young flume]

also it doesn’t have any aspects of a mountain level from the og

[quick jackal]

which is a good thing

[young flume]

not really

[compact totem]

maybe?

[gilded gyro]

Yep thats what i was trying to say!
if you just change the brown terrain it could be a conplete different theme

[compact totem]

i think the stars are too close

[scarlet cloak]

???

[gilded gyro]

thats why i suggested the spinning bill blasters

[sand crypt]

the problem is that none of the original mountain gimmicks are good to use so it’s kinda hard to work with

[worn topaz]

firstly, the bullet bills dont despawn horizontally on a map as small as bricks, meaning they start piling up and it becomes a very hard thing to deal with,,, you end up fighting the stage more than you end up fighting eachother, and in MvLO with others spawning them, it could get messy-
secondly, its hard to implement fast vertical mobility with them, they always get in the way in the most unpredictable ways possible when trying to go up fast in those playtests,
and thirdly, ice levels in NSMB dont have bill blasters, spin tops, or blue koopas, so i feel like implementing those just cuz "its like mountains" shouldn't be a priority,,,

[young flume]

i don’t think throwing unrelated things at the wall works well either

[scarlet cloak]

how is the cool wheel thing in the middle unrelated to this level?....

[sand crypt]

guess that’s true but what can you do lol

[worn topaz]

,,,this concept didnt come overnight, i spent months perfecting the feel of this level :'3

[sand crypt]

not the level he means the theme

[worn topaz]

its not implemented just cuz :'3

[scarlet cloak]

I know

that's why I said this level

[young flume]

literally never seen in any mountain level

not counting the fortress

[scarlet cloak]

it helps with the verticallity

[quick jackal]

it fits with the verticality

[sand crypt]

oh Ic

[quick jackal]

they literally put a bill blaster in a snow level who cares if it fits

[worn topaz]

just look at ice! none of its gimmicks are used in ice levels :'3

[river needle]

You see the area between the two yellow pipes? Maybe that area could hide a mini mushroom spot?

[young flume]

yeah but those bouncy or stretchy mushrooms are probably waaay better to use than that

[scarlet cloak]

and plus it does just fit here.. not too outlandish when that weird doohickey from ice exists

[sand crypt]

only the bill blaster is seen in ice levels but the spinner isn’t

[young flume]

the spinner can work anywhere honestly

[sand crypt]

and, where is the moving platforms used in an underground level…

[sand crypt]

the platform can too!

[tight stag]

The grey blocks everywhere & spinning launcher things totally reminded me of the mountain levels

[young flume]

it just looks super out of place

i don’t like it

[worn topaz]

stretchy mushrooms feel more like obstacles then they do platforms that help,,,
the point of them in NSMB was to mess you up, idk how a platform that sometimes suxs would be better :'3

[river needle]

I guess that would cause some desync

[quick jackal]

womp womp

[tight stag]

If I'm not mistaken, a mega would break the grey blocks, letting the players launch up when they're gone?

[sand crypt]

also yeah we wouldn’t be able to playtest the level properly if we used those unfortunately

[young flume]

i also don’t see the point of the spinners if only mega can use them

[gilded gyro]

ipod is afraid of the word desync

[worn topaz]

yes!!!

[worn topaz]

desynciphobia :3

[sand crypt]

thats the point!
it’s supposed to give mega an advantage

[tight stag]

I'm pretty sure it's so the level changes in gameplay for everyone once a mega happens

[young flume]

even the launching pipes would be better

[scarlet cloak]

(I realized this, that's why I haven't said a single thing in that thread, I'm trying something else)

[young flume]

it makes the level look odd tho

[tight stag]

Waiting 5 business days during a fast paced battle..

[river needle]

There are no launching pipes in MvLo yet

[sand crypt]

-# no it wouldn’t
though we wouldn’t be able to playtest with those anyway cus of those pipes desync the game..

[young flume]

i’m aware

[quick jackal]

can a mega even reach this platform

[young flume]

that’s why ipod makes them

[worn topaz]

those we couldn't test it as theyre broken in NSMB, but it felt unnecessary anyways, theres many ways to get up right now :3

[sand crypt]

which platform

[worn topaz]

using the first spinner, yes :3

[quick jackal]

on the right

[scarlet cloak]

yeah?.. that's why the spinner is there

[river needle]

There are two spinners, one below the koopa

[worn topaz]

also he can jump on the bricks too :3

[sand crypt]

oh

[sand crypt]

hard but ye

[young flume]

i don’t think mega should need a spinner to traverse a level

that’s like wheel chair accessibility

[scarlet cloak]

wow ok

I thought it was cool..

[worn topaz]

oooo hoho,,, no he does :'3
hes pretty much useless otherwise :'3

[quick jackal]

chaotic

[young flume]

that’s why vertical levels aren’t favored

you could also just disable mega

[scarlet cloak]

which is why the spinner is there

[worn topaz]

but spinny things give him an option to go vertically tho???

[river needle]

The whole level is around destroying blocks with mega, which makes sense being a mountain themed level

[scarlet cloak]

also why there's a vine for regular players

[young flume]

at the cost of other design elements being required to work around that

[sand crypt]

exactly!!

[scarlet cloak]

?????

it's literally just a bump in the ground..

[river needle]

I suggested that mini mushrooms can hide between the two yellow pipes

[compact totem]

when do we get the traffic level

[worn topaz]

its like
"i dont like the spinners because its like mega has a handicap"
"mega sucks without them though, so it's a bad map anyways"
why is every outcome just bad :'3

[quick jackal]

would be nice to hide from the chaos lol

[scarlet cloak]

and also there's just not enough levels that allow the mega

[river needle]

Yeah, the level just needs some help for the mini mushroomed player

(it being a hiding spot with some coins)

[worn topaz]

no??? how :'3

the level flows well anyways,,,

[quick jackal]

though in the clip luigi seemed to be quick and strategic with the mini

[worn topaz]

there is no cost to the mega spintops, if i removed them the level would look the exact same:'3

[tight stag]

Mini would be crazy in a stage with a lot of vertical height yeah

[river needle]

Not all players are like that though
(I would just want to hide to get a better power up- otherwise I die the moment a starman or mega or shell or hammer shows up)

[young flume]

designing a level where blocks are everywhere and also mega needs to work in can mean cutting things to make it better for non mega players

[sand crypt]

wanted to point this out lol

[quick jackal]

the pipes already got normal players up anyway

[scarlet cloak]

are you talking about a lot of the terrain being destroyable?..

[river needle]

I mean- Mega is overpowered in Pipes as well, unless someone knows the propeller mushroom trick

The map where Mega is most broken in is literally Pipes

[young flume]

that’s what i mean by the blocks everywhere

it looks like how pizza tower has the john blocks

[scarlet cloak]

weird comparison..

[tight stag]

Mega is literally supposed to be busted and destroy everything a level has going on, when have you played bricks/pipes last

[scarlet cloak]

yes!

[worn topaz]

so if i submitted bricks and pipes in current day itd get shut down? :'3
the blocks being breakable is dynamic, and theyre only breakable by mega when it makes sense :"3

[young flume]

ok but bricks and pipes don’t design the whole level around a single powerup

[tight stag]

?

[scarlet cloak]

they do design around it being destroyed..

[tight stag]

The entire thing is like mini propeller heaven

[river needle]

what if they did design it around a single power up and we just don't know they did-

[scarlet cloak]

something a lot of custom maps in mvlo don't really do..

[worn topaz]

neither does this,
every gameplay clip i showed literally doesnt have mega in them and it works super well :'3

[scarlet cloak]

like maybe just one.. bonus and sky but it's kinda awkward there sometimes

[river needle]

Jungle is horrible for mega, that's why it doesn't appear there

[scarlet cloak]

because it wasn't designed around it

[river needle]

Bonus is good because everything gets destroyed..

Bonus has something for every power up, really-

[young flume]

there’s a difference between being designed around it and being designed with it in mind

this feels like designed around it

[sand crypt]

both bricks and pipes are designed around the destruction of most of the map
bricks gives some leeway for the players without mega so they’re able to groundpound and jump to the bricks n such
pipes gives mega full freedom of the stage by not having to traverse the normal path and just walk like it’s nothing
this map is just another example. it gives mega an advantage by being able to cover most of the stage by the usage of the mega-only spinners and majority of the terrain being breakable

[worn topaz]

yes, this was designed with it in mind,
what, do i just replace every mega-breakable brick with solid ground?
that doesnt solve anything :"3

[river needle]

The gimmick of this map is being vertical,
how can the mega mushroom, a power up only for horizontal levels, get up?

[scarlet cloak]

miibumm I thought you were a fan of the mega..

[young flume]

like listen, i like the idea of a custom map being all mega destroy and shit

but the way this does it just feels so out of place

[quick jackal]

spinners

[scarlet cloak]

because you don't run in a straight line?...

[young flume]

never said that

[scarlet cloak]

instead you fly up and destroy it...

[river needle]

Only players that know how to get on top of the pipes are really safe from the Mega, there

[scarlet cloak]

I know
you're just implying that
because usually the mega can only just walk from right to left

[river needle]

Yeah.

[worn topaz]

in our experience it doesnt,
you can traverse the whole bottom of the level without anything egtting in thw way, or you can use the spintop to fly and destroy everything at the top :"3

[young flume]

that’s not at all what i was implying

[river needle]

Either spinners or jumpy mushrooms, which I don't really remember if they are in NSMB

[scarlet cloak]

then what was it

[quick jackal]

honestly adding mini areas sounds cool but theres the added effect of people hiding there for a long time even in coin battle somehow

[worn topaz]

in our experience with playtesting, mega was fun to use and was just as satesfying as it is on other maps, @sand crypt can approve of this :3

[sand crypt]

the bouncy mushrooms are in nsmb yup (1-5)

[river needle]

So maybe the first propeller (the one next to the koopa) could be replaced by that mushroom

Wouldn't change much of the level but it would add some extra element..

[young flume]

like i said before, the look of it all feels so out of place for a mountain level, none of the stuff for the most part in the map uses anything from actual og mountain levels; and while yeah ice and such pulls out things not in ice levels, it’s still true to most of the ice levels

also vertical = i get hit from super high, fall fall down, can’t retrieve my star

[sand crypt]

ehhh tbh they may hide there forever but if you design around it then it won’t be bad, besides starcoins in coin runners exist so they won’t get much of an advantage

[river needle]

It does use the spinny platform from mario world, I guess

[worn topaz]

wait,

wrong reply,

[worn topaz]

if youd like,
we can playtest this over parsec if you arent convinced :3

[river needle]

I'm not against the current level design-
Just trying to get to a point where everyone agrees or smth

[worn topaz]

there :3

[worn topaz]

no yeah dw it was a wrong reply :"3

so sorry :"3

[young flume]

i think testing it in mvlo would convince be better

[sand crypt]

tbh i don’t see this issue much
the rickshaw helps with lifting the player back up easily, same for the vine and the other platforms there, plus you’d likely not fall off if you get hit in the top part

[young flume]

which i still don’t see happening

[river needle]

Dw.
As I said, I would just add a spot for the mini between the two yellow pipes, and maybe replace the first spinner with a jumpy mushroom to give that "mountain vibe".. (also to add something that appeared in mountain levels in nsmb)

[worn topaz]

funnily enough, kkt said they were going to do that :3

so we could ;3

[bronze lava]

theres a full vertical level in the mountain world
just add the funny chain chomp somewhere and gg

[sand crypt]

not wrong actually

[young flume]

this pretty much ignores my previous comment

[sand crypt]

it even has a lot of bricks !

[bronze lava]

im just trying to help and im getting alien reacts
amazing

[sand crypt]

fair point

[bronze lava]

yeah

[gilded gyro]

KKT is a monster bro can port anything from NSMB to MVLO its a curse

[young flume]

as much as everyone hates on the idea of the shimmy mechanic, i think it’d be interesting to see it used for the sake of actually testing if it’d be good

[sand crypt]

also uh
how much different would it be than to play it in og mvl..?

[worn topaz]

in our experience, this doesnt happen, ill be honest the rickshaw in the map image doesnt do it justice with just how much area it covers, you should watch the playtest footage which ive linked at the first message in this post!!!~

[gilded gyro]

you get to play with 10 players instead of 2

[young flume]

only 2 players

also lack of new powerups

[sand crypt]

playing it with 10 players and judging the design based on that is a terrible idea

[quick jackal]

has anyone ported this thing to the game

[scarlet cloak]

I cannot imagine it being good, it's a worse version of walking

[sand crypt]

something like 4 or 6 players is fine

[gilded gyro]

ipod said he tends to balance around 5 player games

yeah that

[young flume]

like have you guys considered how hammer would be in this map at all

[gilded gyro]

or propeller

[thin gyro]

hammer is broken already

so

[river needle]

I wonder if bob-ombs would make the level slightly better for the players that don't have mega

[quick jackal]

could replace the shells

[scarlet cloak]

and you're right.

[bronze lava]

volcano and beach are a thing

[bronze lava]

it would be contradictory

[young flume]

those were made before hammer and aren’t anywhere near as high as this

[sand crypt]

hammer would indeed be worrying but it’s being discussed about making the hammers despawn n wtv
propeller I don’t see it doing so much other than getting to the top faster which someone can already do

[river needle]

Propeller would just benefit

[scarlet cloak]

none of the maps in mvlo were changed because of the hammer miibumm...

[river needle]

Hammer is already the strongest power up in volcano, so-

[young flume]

because it wasn’t a big deal

[scarlet cloak]

yeah if it's a bad idea to have it there just don't..

[thin gyro]

I feel like MiiBumm just doesn't want this theme to happen 🥴

[young flume]

i do bro

just not like this

[worn topaz]

ill be honest,,,
i absoluely hate the idea of "designing a map with MvLO in mind" :'3
without that bricks wouldnt exist,
the game shouldnt be only playble with 10+ people all with incredibly imbalanced new powerups not intended for the game,
bonus and ghost house are nightmares to play 1v1s, or even 1v1v1s on,,,
the custom powerups and player size should conform to the game rather then every level being ice's size with 2 layers,,,

[scarlet cloak]

like hammer on vertical like levels should just be an instant no

[river needle]

How do you feel about the idea of adding bobombs and jumpy mushrooms?

[bronze lava]

ok what if the hammer never existed in mvlo
would change your mind with this map or the same thing

[young flume]

that would probably help it

[scarlet cloak]

but yet it's in volcano..

[young flume]

not changing me much

[river needle]

Plus you can disable custom power ups and the problem about hammer is gone..

[scarlet cloak]

now luckily everyone avoids volcano..
probably because it's not really good

[quick jackal]

id like to have bobombs instead of koopas

cuz then someone else could use the spinner instead of relying on mega which rarely spawns anyway

[young flume]

i think that one vertical looping map from kkt would be better for a mountain theme

[scarlet cloak]

....sounds like a lot of effort for something like that

[river needle]

Yeah, then throwing bombs at players is just fun

And bombs are ever only used in fortress

[gilded gyro]

you probably hate bonus and jungle and ghost house then
most of MvLO'S custom maps are designed larger lol

[bronze lava]

literally same thing
theres also no vertical looped map in kkt, unless you re talking about the pink sky one

[worn topaz]

so every map needs to conform to:
hammers verticality,
10+ players on the map,
every single gamemode,
with proper elements form their respective levels,
mega should be an afterthought after everthing else,

do you see how literally nobody will ever get a map accepted?

[young flume]

the one with all the vines

[quick jackal]

?

[young flume]

i do all this for my mod and the levels work fine there

you just have to know how to craft it right

[worn topaz]

you dont need to go through this map suggestion process though, do you? :'3

[thin gyro]

so every fucking level is as boring as the others

[river needle]

Can we have the layout of the map pinned again-
These many messages make it easy to lose it

[young flume]

ok rude

[worn topaz]

you didnt say if it was true or not :"3

[young flume]

do i have to

the answer is no

i add gimmicks to mine

and mega can crouch opening up more opportunities

[thin gyro]

idk man vertical level is a good change, this map feels very unique and distinct from the other maps and you act like you want to turn this into yet-another-horizontal-map with 1 or 2 gimmicks

[worn topaz]

top right there show be an arrow to go to the top!~

[thin gyro]

which we already have 10 maps of this

[quick jackal]

not on mobile

[worn topaz]

ah, icic,,,

[river needle]

That button doesn't exist on mobile :*

[quick jackal]

it would fit perfectly on mobile but it just isnt there smh

[young flume]

i’m positive that i’m not the only one that agrees that vertical heavy maps aren’t always the best
but i understand that view of it

[river needle]

Ty

Yeah, I just feel like that adding bobombs across the various levels can lead to some funny scenarios..
Maybe a pipe spawning them?

[thin gyro]

sorry if I was rude earlier but I really was feeling like you wanted to remove the unique-ness of the map 😭

turning it into what we already have

[quick jackal]

no pipe

[worn topaz]

i agree! its hard to get it right, many dont feel too good, but i have many playtesterrs, all who have played and vouch for how satesfying and how well the level works, this has had so many iterations, so many overhauls, so many ideas, so much time and love put into it, and i would say it feels very good to play on :3

[river needle]

Still, it would be fun to throw bombs at people or to destroy the "mega-only blocks" so to open up new paths

[quick jackal]

having bobombs in specific places would be fine like where the koopas are rn

[sand crypt]

also I think someone here said that a lot of the star spawns are crammed together
this is because putting the stars at the top would make the map feel worse to play in cause you would most of the time be at the bottom, so if a star spawns up top the players would have to retravel back to the top and while it’s easy, it would just still look like they’re mindlessly looking for it

[young flume]

@steady bronze i’m curious to know what you think

[quick jackal]

actually all of them are crammed in the bottom

[worn topaz]

that would remove the exclusivity of mega being able to use the spinners though,,,
im not sure that would flow well with how the level is designed,,,

[quick jackal]

can have one above the ? block on the top

[river needle]

Can anyone make like, an edit of that picture with that jumpy mushroom, a spot for mini and Bob ombs to see how it'd look?

[river needle]

Bombs can only destroy few of the blocks, plus they get replaced the moment someone picks up a star..
It would still leave mega the ability to destroy all of them

Like how in bricks you can groundpound to destroy the blocks, but mega can destroy them all

[sand crypt]

hmm i think it’s fine if we tried bobombs, tho I also prefer the koopa because it Can be weaponized more than the bobomb, especially on a map like this

we cant playtest with the bouncy mushrooms tho unless it was in mvlo

[steady bronze]

how would the minimap work with this? would it display height, like the vertical tower levels?

[river needle]

Rn I'm imagining some people playing on YouTube that hold the sprint button all the time so they just pass the Bob omb one another until it explodes on someone

Koopa just.. idk, not the same?
It drops down, does damage and then it's stuck at the bottom until someone picks if up

[river needle]

Like in volcano, I'd guess

[young flume]

volcano doesn’t do that

[river needle]

exactly

[sand crypt]

we tried both actually
i think horizontal is most preferred, as odd as that sounds
we tried vertical and it felt really weird cause it’s the only map to have a vertical minimap, it also made keeping track of where you are harder

[young flume]

how do you know where the star is vertically then

or where players are vertically

[quick jackal]

thats an option ?

[river needle]

You don't in volcano either-

[quick jackal]

for multiplayer ?

[worn topaz]

all stars spawn on the same level basically :'3

by the rickshaw :3

[young flume]

volcano is only two layers

[worn topaz]

no need to know where they are vertcally :3

[young flume]

not as high as this

[sand crypt]

mvlo also has a decently bigger camera so you see more of the stage to help with that

[river needle]

most of the starts are at the base level.. only one is high on top (currently)

[steady bronze]

it could be that the minimap in vertical mode moves to be aligned w/ the right edge of the screen

instead of the top

[quick jackal]

is there a way to include both ways without it being odd

[river needle]

time to implement a 2d minimap just for this map

[sand crypt]

that would be nice tbh

a bit random, but still useful

tho that means,
players are easier to keep track of but stats are harder to keep track of…

[worn topaz]

again, we've tried a vertical indicator but it made it much more dissatisfying to play,,,
we had that idea for a while, we really wanted to implement it as much as possible and i even changed some of the level just to conform to it, but unfortunately only a vertical indicator just feels really bad to work with,,,
when a star is bouncing around, you know its on your level, but not where it is,
same with players, it made knowing where they are harder in some ways :"3

it was really hard to let that idea go,,, but a horizontal indicator does work well :"3

[steady bronze]

both, then?

[compact totem]

there are so many messages lol

[sand crypt]

might be confusing to some tbh

but

it can work

[worn topaz]

hmmm,,,
a worry i have is that it would make it possible to pinpoint exactly where someone is because you can pinpoint their location, you have their X and Y locations after all :'3
but it could work! itd need tests ofc though, since NSMB can only have 1 map at a time :3 :3

if we could get a vertical indicator to somehow work itd be another thing to set this level apart after all!~

[river needle]

Isn't a similar problem present in Sky as well?
The map is pretty high

I get that this map is narrower and higher, though..

[sand crypt]

i think the most vertical level currently is beach

[river needle]

And there is hard to get if a star is above or underwater

Also, there's only ever a single star spawn location on top, in this map..

And it's not even fully on top

[worn topaz]

ah, right! this is by design!
after playtesting, it was clear that if more than 1 star spawned up top, there would be too much incentive to go up there, and players would just stay there instead :3
we decided that people go to the top anyways for its coins, powerups, donut blocks, and to be safe, so we didnt need more of a reason to go up there :3

see, players like being at a higher elevation then other players, too much incentive to stay up there means people only stay up there :3
our idea was "go up there to get a positonal advantage, if you want a star youll need to be vulnerable at the bottom" ^v^

plus, the minimap would be very unreliable,,,

[river needle]

I mean.. having 4 stars spawn around at the same spot, though?

[worn topaz]

mhm!
again, it incentivises players to go and play my the rickshaw!

theres a reason to be at any part of the map at any given time :3

[tired agate]

giving the 18th star here

[worn topaz]

tysm!!!~

[gilded gyro]

this post is now 18 years old

[quick jackal]

lol

[tired agate]

your gonna be 180 years old tonight

[river needle]

What about the single power up block? Wouldn't that block get too crowded?

[gilded gyro]

mirror

[worn topaz]

1 star every year,,,
its doing so well~ ;3

[gilded gyro]

bro is still waiting for ipod's response

[tired agate]

[quick jackal]

isnt tenna extremely old

[worn topaz]

with more players, any powerup block still gets crowded, think of grassland,
again, its not wise to design a level with 10 players in mind, its a recipe for extremely huge maps that arent satesfying to play on with lower player counts :3

[tired agate]

nuh uh

[worn topaz]

he did respond!!~
and im very grateful he did at least ^v^

[river needle]

Grassland has 2 though

[worn topaz]

i would love to see this get added!

[worn topaz]

mhm! and with 10 players its still crowded :'3

[quick jackal]

doesnt bricks have 1

[worn topaz]

mhm!

[quick jackal]

so it doesnt matter

lol

[worn topaz]

^v^

[river needle]

Haven't played that map in so long-

[worn topaz]

its my favourite ^v^

[river needle]

Second favorite to me

[quick jackal]

though bricks makes it hard to get the powerup if you're at the bottom and the goomba gives a chance to die to it if you groundpound it

so its kinda a little gimmick lol

[gilded gyro]

the goomba decides who wins the game

[river needle]

bricks also has a lot of coins though

[quick jackal]

so does this level

having people get up for powerups

[worn topaz]

bricks actually had one of the lesser coin counts of any NSMB MvL level-

its just that its so small :3

[quick jackal]

i literally fit the entire bricks level in 2 player screens

[river needle]

13 here,
how many are in bricks?

[river needle]

oh, I see.

[worn topaz]

mhm!
in fact, theres actually way more there than any other level minus ice :'3

[worn topaz]

9 i believe, i can check though :3

[river needle]

Oh alright. Guess 13 is a reasonable amount then

[worn topaz]

oh, right, and koopas han be fireballed, too :3

[quick jackal]

i still like having them be bobombs since they fit more

but paratroopas fit too

[river needle]

Completely forgot about that-
Bob ombs don't drop coins when they explode..

[quick jackal]

thought they could drop coins

dont remember how

[river needle]

Killed before they explode

[quick jackal]

with a star ig

[river needle]

Star, shell, mega, ice, hammer...

[quick jackal]

megas arent in fortress so kinda irrelevant

[worn topaz]

paratroopas have been tried, they didnt seem to work very well though,,,
the problem is that they move very strangely and speratically, their movement is hard to predict if youre just running by :3

[quick jackal]

but just regular koopas dont fit

can there be a piranha plant somewhere

[river needle]

What is that N thing with the green arrow, btw?

[worn topaz]

regular koopas do appear in mountain levels!~
while i do agree that for aethetics, it would be much better to have paratroopas as they matched the theme, every time we've tried them they just cause too many problems,,,
i playtested one time with my friend, who is a very casual player: "i think the level is good, i just hate the flying koopas" they said, i can try to find the original message where they said that too :"3

[scarlet cloak]

where the players spawn

or just Mario and Luigi actually..

[river needle]

I see

[quick jackal]

theres probably enough space below it though

[worn topaz]

mhm! what zomble said!
having players spawn at the top and having them go down was an excellent way to show them what this levels gimmick is, rather them trying to go up!~

[quick jackal]

but the hole with the bricks would be weird

[river needle]

I would make some extra tests with bombs instead of koopas and both of them together (maybe koopas on lower ground, bombs on higher grounds)

[worn topaz]

hm?

[quick jackal]

is it possible to have enough time to move a bobomb down low to access the spinner

[river needle]

Just throw it

[quick jackal]

since in online they spawn with the mario maker thing

can have them spawn below cuz it has more space but the hole in the bricks doesnt make that look good

[river needle]

making them spawn on top is the way to show the players what's like on top

[quick jackal]

yeah

and the single powerup 💔

[river needle]

making them spawn to the middle would be weird

[quick jackal]

i said that

[worn topaz]

many of the problems with this stage involved needing to wait,

one iteration of this level had the yellow pipes at the top much higher, "i hate how i need to wait so long to fall when i go from the pipe up there!"
was the feedback :3

one time, the top area was much more elevated then the bottom area, it needed an extra spinner to get to, and the vine obviously took longer to reach that area, "i hate how long it takes to get up there sometimes" was the feedback :3

one time, the rickshaw was elevated a few tiles higher, like, 3 tiles-ish, "i hate how long the vine takes to get up the the rickshaw!" was our feedback,

adding bob-ombs is just another long wait to make use of the spin block, not only that, but again, giving other players an option which was exclusive to mega would remove a part of what makes it feel special, when ive been mega and ive thed the spin block, i think, "wow, i can use this now!!! i feel so powerful!!!" ^v^

[river needle]

.

Maybe this could be replaced with a power up?

[quick jackal]

its fine with just 1

cuz theres so many coins

[worn topaz]

hmm,,,
im not too sure about that, given it would de-value being at the top area,,,
but this seems like a more reasonable change, i do agree :3

[river needle]

It would solve players camping at that single power up spot..

[quick jackal]

why would they do that

[worn topaz]

what good would that do? they arent gonna be getting any stars, 90% of them spawn near the bottom ;3

[quick jackal]

you either go for stars or coins

[river needle]

Then it's not that easy to camp at this one

[river needle]

annoying players killing others if lives are on?

[quick jackal]

coins could get a star or something

the annoying players would most likely be at the bottom where all the stars are anyway

[river needle]

Hmm..

[worn topaz]

its impossible to design a map to have annoying players not be annoying :'3

you could, theoretically, camp one of the ledges in jungle and kill anyone trying to jump to one of the areas and they die instantly :3

people dont usually do this though,,, annoying players arent as common as youd think :3

[gilded gyro]

Are they runners?

[quick jackal]

?

[worn topaz]

"coin runners" :'3

[river needle]

anyhow, how's the idea of replacing the first spinner with a jumpy mushroom?
they'd work similarly..

[quick jackal]

the one on the bottom ?

[worn topaz]

well, i am curious just because i like considering ideas a lot before adding them,

what advantage does a jumpy msuhroom provide that the spin block doesnt?

[river needle]

yup

[river needle]

just being cool, I guess

miibumm wanted something that called the mountain vibe of nsmb more

[worn topaz]

mountain levels use spin tops more than they do jumpy mushrooms, in that case ^v^'

[river needle]

making players hardly die from the pit, too

[quick jackal]

jumpy mushrooms go well with spinners

[river needle]

It's him who said that not me

[worn topaz]

-^v^-

[compact totem]

i played this level in a hotel

it was fun

[river needle]

In this case none of the spinners have a pit underneath, tho-

[worn topaz]

nice! ^v^

[compact totem]

i ate a cake and drank hot vchocolate

very nice

[gilded gyro]

i never knew about that top left 1up

[worn topaz]

(me neither lmao i wanna try to get it now ;'3)

[compact totem]

hate that one up

its cringe

[sand crypt]

same

[worn topaz]

well, again, rickshaws also dont appear in mountain levels-

but again again, ice uses 3 gimmicks that normal ice levels dont even use :'3

the fact that it usues spin blocks at all is enough imo ^v^

[quick jackal]

i feel like this would work better in a different type of stage

[river needle]

fair enough

[worn topaz]

mhm!~

again, theres still many stages with different themes that can be added to MvLO!!!

[compact totem]

music slaps

[worn topaz]

fun fact, did you know that the second vanilla MvL theme is essentially just that song? :3

[gilded gyro]

that video makes me want to play NSMB

[worn topaz]

try whistling both, youll see what i mean!~

[worn topaz]

same,,, : ' 3

welp-

[compact totem]

i 100% it

very nice

[sand crypt]

the nsmb motif 📈

[river needle]

Which one do you mean?

[compact totem]

the one that goes

do do do dooooo do do de do

[river needle]

Oh yeah right

[gilded gyro]

anyways what have yall achieved from the 10 minute long convo?

[compact totem]

made a shit map twice

[worn topaz]

clarifications for people who might not be convinced!~

also aknowledgement from ipod that this map even exists thats cool :3

[river needle]

That maybe bobombs are not a good idea

and maybe that somehow this map needs mushrooms

[worn topaz]

honestly im considering your suggestion to add a second mushroom, it seems like it could work, although i would like to playtest it it first ofc :3

^v^

[river needle]

What about the mini mushroom spot?

[worn topaz]

i tried keeping in mind every powerup, and as you can see with that one clip, minis low gravity can really compliment this level, im not sure where i could add a spot exclusive to mini, or even if mini needs it, to be fair, mini is supposed to be a disadvantage, first place gets it super often and its meant to be avoided in order to make sure first place doesnt get any more of a lead ;3

[river needle]

I suggested it to be between the two yellow pipes.. to be reached through a small hole in the ground as a safe place from megas and shells but still dangerous for when people have hammer

[worn topaz]

its an idea,,, although does first place need to be safe? they already can go down the yellow pipe if they wanna avoid mega, i feel if they had an option to shut it down completly them mega wouldnt be as fun to use,,,

[river needle]

Something like how you see it in fortress

[river needle]

Maybe first place not, but for the players in last place that happen to get the mini by mistake?

Or maybe making megas be able to break through the mini spot and catch who was there

[worn topaz]

it would be nice to have it benifit last place which didnt mean to pick it up if there was some sort of filter mechanism,,, but as it stands right now first place will be able to abuse (and definetly more often because theyre the ones getting the minis) whatever advantage it would give last place :'3

[worn topaz]

well- then theres no longer a point to it then!~

[river needle]

Defending through normal power ups, yeah

Mini spots are often used to hide from starmen as well

[worn topaz]

,,,doesnt it feel so dissatesfying when first place, the player who is winning, is untouchable when youre invincible like that? :"3

[river needle]

Maybe- but it wouldn't be invincible from mega though

Or if someone used a bob omb if they were there..
But yeah now that you mentioned it I don't think it's a great idea

[worn topaz]

mhm!!!

also, ill need to go for now :3

but it was a nice talk!!!

^v^

[river needle]

yeah

[gloomy pond]

Bro cooking this amazing map:

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

[void sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/gunna-fire-writing-heat-gif-25524005

only needs a custom song

and icon

[quick jackal]

more playtesting :3

heres a funny mega clip

[worn topaz]

tysm for playtesting with me btw!!! ^v^

[steady bronze]

huh.. the screenshake always triggers, interesting. i thought it was only when the player was touching the ground. guess that's an mvl bug then

[quick jackal]

its like a range of how close the mega player is

[steady bronze]

oh really?

[quick jackal]

the stomps too

[steady bronze]

so like across the map in ice it wouldnt screenshake?

[quick jackal]

i can test it

[steady bronze]

would be nice of you :)

and much appreciated

[quick jackal]

screen shakes everywhere but the mega jump sound plays whenever they're on screen

as well as everyones items but that gets annoying with more players

i have a feeling multiple megas would make the screen shake a lot more lol

[quick jackal]

so i was wrong here lol

and the stomps dont change volume with how far they are but its a better feature if it was like that

[worn topaz]

i guess that explains the screen shake in the clip, i did land on the rickshaw so the screen started to shake ^v^

[sand crypt]

omg that was so lucky that mario turned back to normal right as he was about to hit luigi 😭

[river needle]

I just noticed that the moment Luigi bonks against that brown block, the background flips-

[quick jackal]

cuz the background isnt made for multiplayer looping

[quick jackal]

cinema

[river needle]

out of all the gimmicks-
why that random platform?

[sand crypt]

its the center of attention of the map so...

[river needle]

being the most literal center..

[sand crypt]

though i think this doesnt symbolize the map so much and theres too much emptiness...

[worn topaz]

hmm,,, do you think you could have that icon be a bit lower on the stage, so as to get the block-covered spin-top and semisolid on there as well as the rickshaw? or do you think that might not look good? :3
it doesnt need to be accurate to the actual proportions of the map as you already probably know ^v^

[void sleet]

you mean this part?

[worn topaz]

yeah!

[void sleet]

okkkk

[worn topaz]

honestly tysm for doing this!~

^v^

[haughty salmon]

i’d love to play it but chromebook def does not have parsec

[river needle]

there's a web version of parsec

[void sleet]

like this?

i need add the spin propeller

[river needle]

Yeah, better

[worn topaz]

omg!!! ^v^

thats awesome!

yeah, all tahts left is the spin block! :3

[haughty salmon]

there is?? yo thats so cool

[worn topaz]

maybe you can playtest it after all ^v^
be warned, there maybe be a fair bit of input delay-

[worn topaz]

hmm, also, do you think you can add a few pixels of the bottom part of the rickshaw coming in too? just so it really showcases that it is one ^v^

sorry if im asking too much ^v^'

[tired agate]

I would

playtest

cuz it looks peak

and I need my hands on this too

[worn topaz]

we can do that!
again i know there might be some EU ping i hope you dont mind-
we could always playtest it on your end so im the one with the delay though, i have a controller ^v^

[quick jackal]

be warned about the possibility of extremely loud audio for no reason

[haughty salmon]

ah thats okay!! i deal with input delay all the time :P

[worn topaz]

oh, yeah, that too, i forgor :'3
ill pause when it starts getting bad ^v^'

[worn topaz]

okioki!!!

^v^

like frosty!

[quick jackal]

can i put the video here lol

[worn topaz]

eheh,,, sure lmao ^v^'

MelonDS audio is so weird,,,

[quick jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219486677630718023/1392963138487451769/lv_0_20250710152033.mp4?ex=68717184&is=68702004&hm=297990a846dfc4eba5a3e31d6a8f3abe14035af3202f3ef690a76bfa21f6232b&

[worn topaz]

holy i forgot how bad it was :'3

[quick jackal]

lol

[worn topaz]

im glad so many people are so eager to playtest this with me!!~

[haughty salmon]

it really just seems like an interesting map to play on

the fact its vertical and it has a new gimmicky platform in jt

[quick jackal]

someone needs to pin the image though

[sand crypt]

so relay table

[sand crypt]

WOW

[worn topaz]

ayyy!!!!

[gloomy pond]

This map idea is amzing

[haughty salmon]

🤝 glad im not alone lmao

[gloomy pond]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cooking-let-me-cook-cat-let-me-cook-let-him-cook-gif-14801096915973119105

Bro cooked like never

[worn topaz]

thank you so much!!!
im so glad that putting this much effort into this level wasnt for nothing, its awesome to see so many people loving it as much as i do!!!~

[gloomy pond]

Np,^^, I hope this map is added, it is a super different and unique map

Fuck

Translate error

[void sleet]

also iirc will be easy port it to MVLO

only need the rickshaw port

[river needle]

imagine if this map doesn't get accepted though-
(would be sad)

[void sleet]

i remember on older versions have dev rooms using vertical loops

[gloomy pond]

Ahhh mvlo suggestions moment

[worn topaz]

(and the vine ^v^)
although the way it works in NSMB is fairly easy to implement id imagine :3

also hai Alexis!!!

[river needle]

if the mushroom was added, that would have been implemented as well-
(but that would have been too many elements to implement for a single map)

Thinking about it, are the white blocks even in MvLo?

[quick jackal]

the mushroom bounce height sucks

[void sleet]

ice level

iirc

[river needle]

it can be edited

[void sleet]

or idr

[sand crypt]

volcano has those blocks

[rugged otter]

Consiering there has been 760 messages on this post, I guess it was mentionned already. I haven't read everything (sorry), but a big part. Anyway, I would like to know the reason behind this big cluster of stars here. It makes most part of the level useless.
I also agree with Windows and Miibumm for the fact it doesn't really look like a Mountain level besides the background.
One thing I like however is the spinning thingy, the wheel.

[quick jackal]

wouldnt it be edited for every level that uses them

[sand crypt]

and regardless they're the same behavior as the wood blocks from grassland. just different sprite

[river needle]

players spawn on top; most coins and powerups are on top; so to farm someone would go on top..
then the fight for stars is at the bottom

[gloomy pond]

I think the map could use a little more decoration, bullet bills, and other things., but as designed it's pretty good.

[river needle]

it was already explained why bullet bills won't work (they can't despawn)

[sand crypt]

the map tries to keep all the stars at the bottom level so that people know where to go when looking for them, then the top part is the only place with a powerup block and most of the coins so that people get the incentive to go up there if they lack a powerup to fight with, and once you get a powerup then you go down below

[gloomy pond]

Oh ok

[worn topaz]

ah, right! this is by design!
after playtesting, it was clear that if more than 1 star spawned up top, there would be too much incentive to go up there, and players would just stay there instead :3
we decided that people go to the top anyways for its coins, powerups, donut blocks, and to be safe, so we didnt need more of a reason to go up there :3

see, players like being at a higher elevation then other players, too much incentive to stay up there means people only stay up there :3
our idea was "go up there to get a positonal advantage, if you want a star youll need to be vulnerable at the bottom" ^v^

also, the minimap is horizontal, so you can always rely on the minimap to know where the star is!

[river needle]

no level uses them yet-

[quick jackal]

it doesnt fit here

[rugged otter]

6 coins up and 5 coins down, seems pretty balanced in terms of coins 👀

[worn topaz]

ty! ^v^

[steady bronze]

seems very intersting

[rugged otter]

that's not a compliment, they argued most coins were up there to farm, but they're wrong xD

💀

[steady bronze]

and seems easy enough to throw together into a playtesting build for more players as well

[worn topaz]

this means a lot me! ^v^

[worn topaz]

!!!

^v^

[thin gyro]

👀???

[worn topaz]

i would love to try that out!!!

[thin gyro]

Btw W Marina pfp

[worn topaz]

ty dedf1sh!!!

;3

[sand crypt]

would love to try it out in mvlo lol

[steady bronze]

i do agree that it looks kinda "empty" in terms of background elements (compared to how the other custom levels look), but I think that's just because nsmbe is more limited

[worn topaz]

yeah,,,
the background elements are tiles, meaning i cant place anything in front of them except for a specific type of coins that dont respawn on a level reset :'3
i would love to see a version with more decor that doesnt have NSMB limitations!!!

[void sleet]

rickshaw could be removed and use these spin propeller more

add bullet bills based in that climb mountain level

[quick jackal]

stop suggesting bullet bills

[void sleet]

add some pipes for be based on that level

so add para troopas

[gloomy pond]

Maybe those guys who throw spiked balls from their mouths could be added.

[quick jackal]

at that point make your own level 💔

[sand crypt]

those werent in nsmb tho they were snow spikes which would be a different thing

i think enemy wise the map is good as it is rn

[worn topaz]

the bullet bills dont despawn horizontally on a map as small as bricks, meaning they start piling up and it becomes a very hard thing to deal with,,, you end up fighting the stage more than you end up fighting eachother, and in MvLO with others spawning them, it could get messy-

[sand crypt]

the only suggestion i would agree with is replacing enemies with bobombs

[quick jackal]

isnt there a limit on bullet bills in ice

[void sleet]

so the alternative are para troopas

[quick jackal]

playtesters had an issue with paratroopas

[void sleet]

what was the issue?

[gloomy pond]

Oh ok

[gloomy pond]

Yeah

[quick jackal]

they're annoying ig :/

cuz their weird movement

didnt fit the terrain

[void sleet]

but the horizontal para troopas

or the vertical ones

[worn topaz]

regular koopas do appear in mountain levels!~
while i do agree that for aethetics, it would be much better to have paratroopas as they matched the theme, every time we've tried them they just cause too many problems,,,
i playtested many times with my friend, who is a very casual player: "i think the level is good, i just hate the flying koopas" they said, i can try to find the original message where they said that too :"3

[quick jackal]

thats just copy pasted

[worn topaz]

yup!

[quick jackal]

lol

[worn topaz]

my point still stands!

[quick jackal]

sure

[void sleet]

so ummmmm

[river needle]

we already discussed if paratroopas or bobombs would work, in the end we realized that none does

[gloomy pond]

Piranha plants are also annoying lol, sometimes they appear and take an object from you, besides, it is not that difficult to dodge, they go from top to bottom, it is not that difficult

[rugged otter]

Other issue to me is, why are the ground and ceiling so flat? If I recall a mountain is not as flat as a tunnel, should be steep and difficult to navigate (or at least difficult to run through the whole thing)

[quick jackal]

what are you talking about 💔

[gloomy pond]

Paratroopas

[quick jackal]

what object

[void sleet]

maybe the level should add other pit on the ground?????

[rugged otter]

powerup

[gloomy pond]

Ahhh Spanish translate errors

[quick jackal]

just speak spanish

[haughty salmon]

i think i’d try out this map when i get the chance to

[void sleet]

ahhh no saber ingles momento

[sand crypt]

could we maybe slow down a bit...? it feels like multiple topics are being brought up and its kinda mixing me up 😭

[rugged otter]

they're saying piranha plants take your powerup away, which is not true anymore cuz when a star is collected they don't spawn on your ass anymore

[gloomy pond]

No, coño

[worn topaz]

this is one thing i could see being changed, although mountain levels did have super flat ceilings-
the ceiling needed to actually be raised slightly because it would actually stop people from getting mega mushrooms when they jumped up to them ^v^'

[void sleet]

mi edgy tu estando pedo me daria el contexto 👀

[haughty salmon]

CHILL 😭

[quick jackal]

this one did lmao
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1392891891821051924/1392943624110473406/lol2.mp4?ex=68715f57&is=68700dd7&hm=432486f21605709446206d09373e7c0024bb8bb3c459972708b0c8d6812e26e6&

[gloomy pond]

?

[void sleet]

lfmao

[quick jackal]

never put enemies on moving platforms

especially if they respawn

[haughty salmon]

what was that

[worn topaz]

yeah, i thought i solved the "koopas drop on you sometimes" issue but i suppose a few more tweaks need to be made :3

[haughty salmon]

was that a glitched falling platform

[gloomy pond]

Koopa jumpscare

[quick jackal]

yeah donut blocks dont work in multiplayer

[worn topaz]

well, they do!

the graphics just dont :3

[quick jackal]

thats exactly what i said lol

[zealous portal]

not enough explosions in mvl
i approve

[gloomy pond]

Se acabó, ese era el último

[worn topaz]

theyre completely functional though :3

[void sleet]

enserio?

pero yo queria tanto ese contexto

[steady bronze]

also one thing that we can do in mvl is center spin blocks in a 2x2

so you dont have to do the 3x2 hard blocks above them since they look a bit weird

[worn topaz]

HEKK YEAH!!!

[gloomy pond]

A bueno no sabía pero ya se

[worn topaz]

that was so annoying :'3

[quick jackal]

what about centering all the stars lol

[gloomy pond]

No se preocupe, le preparare contexto casero, me cree

[void sleet]

solo si lo veo

[sand crypt]

i forgot to bring this up lmao yeah that could definetely be done

[steady bronze]

also that, any "object" can be in any position

[sand crypt]

also about the decor my only guess is that the stage could be filled with a lot of the background tiles from the mountain tileset cause i've no idea

[worn topaz]

thats so helpful omg,,,

you don't know how much it pains me to have stuff slightly off-center :'3

[quick jackal]

can make a redesign for online

slight changes

[worn topaz]

that could work!

[quick jackal]

qol

[worn topaz]

mhm!

[steady bronze]

@thick crypt you're picky about maps, what do you think about this design

(there's gameplay videos of it in the message below the one i replied using a mod of the og)

[thick crypt]

vertical maps dont work well

i'm not too crazy about this

[void sleet]

complety vertical level could work?

i mean loops vertical

[thick crypt]

the reason they're all horizontal maps without much elevation is because it still needs to be readable from just the radar alone. like if you see someone on a point in the radar then you know where on the map they are

but if you have several floors to your map then it just wont work

they could be anywhere, the stars could be anywhere

plus you have a big advantage if you're higher than someone else

it takes longer to climb than it does to fall so that's another thing

you will not know where anything is if you do a vertical map, period

it just doesn't work

[worn topaz]

oh! you should read what i said im my post! ^v^ id love to hear what you think when you look more into it, but i had mentioned that all the stars are generally on the same level, meaning that you know that theyve spawned near the rickshaw :3

[thick crypt]

and before anyone brings up ice and pipes, those have very limited vertical sections

what about loose stars

like from dropped players

same issue

[river needle]

volcano- coughs

[steady bronze]

Read the thread a bit pls

all that was addressed

[worn topaz]

^v^'

[thick crypt]

i only reworked it. i didn't make the whole thing

[void sleet]

soo the big issue is the whole map gimmick?

[worn topaz]

tysm for pointing that out!!! ^v^

[steady bronze]

Potentially there could also be a second vertical minimap on the right edge

[worn topaz]

that too!

^v^

[steady bronze]

Like read through the design, I do think it could work

@worn topaz for the koopa spawning issue, I can look into making it possible to spawn enemies relative to a platform

[thick crypt]

looking through it

[worn topaz]

oh, as in, the spawner will follow one of the rickshaw platforms? that works! it basically guarantees that this wont be a problem, tysm i was stressing out about that ^v^'

[steady bronze]

Yeah

[worn topaz]

thanks!!! im glad youre interested in its design!!! ^v^

[steady bronze]

Also TIL they're called "Rickshaw" platforms

[thick crypt]

ok

im only feeling weird about the amount of hard blocks because i guess i'd just want to see more of the mountain tileset

but it's fine since it looks like mega would go through all this

i'd say raise the ceiling so it's offscreen and it gives off more of an illusion that it's open air

was gonna ask if the pipes were one way but i forgot to read

[worn topaz]

mountains tileset doesn't even have slopes for some reason its so weird, honestly i just wish that the mountains tileset was more interesting to work with :'3

[steady bronze]

They are one way

[thick crypt]

i suppose the highest star would be in the center of the hard blocks instead of to the right

yeah i know, i saw

[steady bronze]

Could just draw our own slopes

[thick crypt]

i think volcano and some other tilesets are just recolored mountains

[worn topaz]

true!

[thick crypt]

and those have slopes

[worn topaz]

wait really???

[worn topaz]

oh that works then :3

[thick crypt]

im pretty sure

but again like the hard blocks make more sense

cuz mega is gonna be on this map

[worn topaz]

mhm! ^v^

[thick crypt]

so it's a tough call

ah

[worn topaz]

actually thinking about it, cant make use of slope speed on this level too well anyways,,,

[thick crypt]

unless you make the soft platforms mountain themed

would look less empty too

[worn topaz]

soft platforms? what are those again, i forget,,,

[thick crypt]

semi-solids

one ways

[worn topaz]

oooh, ic, like, make em grey you mean?

[thick crypt]

the jump-up-thtough-able floors

more like

if you've played mario maker, then you know what those extendable semi-solids are like

something like that where they extend downwards

or could be messed around wth to give it some interesting patterns

[worn topaz]

ooh, ik what youre talking about, :3

[sand crypt]

oh ic what you mean actually

yeah that could def bring some life into the map

[thick crypt]

if i could edit this i could

the map is good because it's not too vertical and it's not like, looping vertically

and star spawns are restricted

[worn topaz]

-^v^-

[thick crypt]

@steady bronze you need to teach me to make maps in unity again

cuz i haven't used unity in forever

and i wanna make maps you dont want to add

[compact totem]

i want that job

[gilded gyro]

that sounds so sarcastic

[young flume]

this honestly explains part of my negativity towards this

[steady bronze]

i mean is there any alternative?

i do agree that hard blocks feel strange but making the mountain tileset breakable would be be even stranger

[young flume]

you could include those background tiles more i guess

i’ve just reminded myself of fire bars

i think the bland semi solids are throwing me off the most

if you could replace those with the cloud semi solids then it’d look nicer

[worn topaz]

unfortunately NSMBe holds us back from implementing decor like that,,,
same with the semisolids :'3

but the looks can always be changed in unity with no limitations!

^v^

[young flume]

i think the cloud platforms would warm me up to this more

i think i’ve just been hooked on the looks to the point it made me critic the design

made me feel like i was looking at a modded level

which usually isn’t the best/reminds me of usually low quality beginner levels

[worn topaz]

honestly,,,
might be onto something here :3

we cant test it cuz nsmbe wont let us, but again, when ported to unity thats be cool to see!

[thin gyro]

better engine does make this easier huh

[worn topaz]

oh yeah, big time!

[thin gyro]

I've heard that NSMB has shitty code

sooo

[tight stag]

Do you guys remember that mountain level with the spinners that would let you just demolish the columns of brick blocks, that's what this level reminds me of big time

Too bad chain chomp would be a bitch to code

[void sleet]

any change for the icon ping me btw

[thick crypt]

i already suggested edit of mountain tileset to be used as background and semi-solid

like mario maker's semisolids

maybe some of the other hard blocks could have semi solids as wellto just make it look nice but i guess you wouldn't wanna block too much stuff from above

[worn topaz]

just putting this reply here so its easier to find the icons again so its not burried, i think these should be pinned too if possible ^v^

[bronze lava]

@plucky crypt its a bit coward from you not telling your opinion about this, and also sending your followers to dislike this is really disgusting from you
you dont deserve the current respect that you have at this point

[tired agate]

Tbh here, this seems like a bunch of dogpilling your not willing to fully address

not to mention some of the stuff you said in your server was addressed here too

"I personally don't like it, and if you don't either, I invite you to react with 👎 on the post."
This seems like a way to make YOUR Server members vote on something you personally do not like, which seems kinda fishy to me that you say it to your members only

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[plucky crypt]

I simply did not want to start a war because i see that lot of people like the map but i felt like among the people that i discussed with that have the same opinion as me, none actually did share their opinion, so i simply wanted to have some negative representation to show that there's not only people liking the map
Now if people agree with me and react it's their choice, it's not like i give orders or whatever, and I can fully explain why i don't like the map if you want to

[tired agate]

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