🏗️ MvLO Maker

[rigid aurora]

uhhh ye sure

uh

uhhhhhhhhh

your suing for defamation is invalid because uhhh

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[rotund grove]

James what the fuck are you doing

😭

[rigid aurora]

I'M TRYING

[rotund grove]

YOU'RE COOKING ME

[torpid zephyr]

somos schizo posting

[rigid aurora]

true

[rotund grove]

true

[rigid aurora]

also

FUCK YOU 😭

[rotund grove]

NO I FUCK YOU

[rigid aurora]

DONT MAKE ME TAKE THIS TO COURT

[torpid zephyr]

anyway could you not roleplay in the thread

[rotund grove]

YOU'RE MY LAWYER 😭

[torpid zephyr]

i don’t think vic likes it

[rotund grove]

ah

true

I didn't think about it

sorry vic 🥺

[nocturne lantern]

It's ok

[cloud turtle]

how do i use the warp pipe target?

[faint gate]

theres no horizontal warp pipes yet

[brisk crescent]

wdym "yet"

[faint gate]

yet

[brisk crescent]

Ain't no one ever adding horizontal warp pipes bo

[faint gate]

dw about it

i believe someone would

ts is about "hope"

[nocturne lantern]

Unfortunately warps are not available at the moment. It's just that I accidentally left that UI there

Maybe I should come back to this after I release the next vcmi version
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1295523574706081812.webp?size=32

[faint gate]

hi vic

[nocturne lantern]

Hello rose

[shy belfry]

2.0?

you should help with the addon system instead :))

[nocturne lantern]

Ohh yeah ture

[smoky raptor]

-# iirc hypercat did for wondermod

[brisk crescent]

Yeah, the diference is that you can't make your own levels and upload it for anyone else to play it

and it doesn't have wonder badges ofc

[smoky raptor]

debatable

[nocturne lantern]

debatable

[cloud turtle]

ah, alright. thanks

[fading lynx]

you guys didnt add a overworld brick with a coin? 😭

[woven fiber]

nevr was a thing in vanilla cus it’s never used,,,

[brisk crescent]

i was about to say its easy to make it yourself but this is MvLO Maker

shut up frosty you're not a mvol modder

[gentle palm]

https://tenor.com/view/getting-old-aging-soldier-soldier-boy-regret-gif-14387205934344123937

[quaint rapids]

E

[finite sandal]

mario vs online + luigi

[solid lichen]

Mario Vs. The World and Luigi is there too

[keen tartan]

why's there like 5 copies of the same map

[nocturne lantern]

because people keep uploading their WIP levels and not deleting the old versions afterwards

[shy belfry]

because a developer didnt add support for versioning /s

[quaint rapids]

Mb

[strange yarrow]

yo

[cobalt saddle]

How do I download levels from the browser as .vsm files? And can I self-host this?

[nocturne lantern]

Downloading other people's levels to file is not allowed atm. Also, the server's code is still private, sorry

[shy belfry]

bro put his private keys directly in the source

[nocturne lantern]

In my defense I deleted them right after but you know how git history can be
All... historical

[cobalt saddle]

this project really cool. its like https://github.com/alesan99/mari0_ae but in hd

[upbeat heart]

Fun fact: the script for the flume / clear pipe in that game has a variable called something along the lines of "suckspeed", and the comment on it is just "-- owo"

[cobalt saddle]

10/10 documentation

[plucky agate]

man, i seriously want this mod to get ported to 2.0

[golden dust]

true

Same

[oak nest]

I would love it

[nocturne lantern]

Agggh why can I not work on smth for more than two days

I need to get that checked

[oak nest]

Hey no pressure

I'm not scared of anything after waiting for 2.0
quality over quantity

[nocturne lantern]

Fair enough

[faint gate]

hi vic

[golden dust]

Me when Rosy wants to make Triple Power Addon map Maker but she needs permission from vic

Fuck I didn't want to ping, sorry Rose '-'

[plucky agate]

:(

Why is the editor not opening?

[nocturne lantern]

Try uninstalling the mod from the storage tab if you got it and then reinstall

[plucky agate]

i fixed it, smartscreen was preventing it

[solemn hollow]

ill hop on ig

[nocturne lantern]

I wonder if quantum will play nicely with creating the stage terrain at runtime

Hope so. I just need to change the tilemap...

[shy belfry]

commands have a max size of like 24 or 32kb

and you cant use realtime events for it

[nocturne lantern]

Oh no dw about the sending the level to the players part, I meant moreso "building" the stage, as in placing the tiles mid simulation before the match starts

I'll probably simply use the same method I used with vcmi's "replace all terrain with bricks" toggle, but with the arbitrary level data. Since that works fine

There will be zero baked level data in the build

It's a bit more involved than just tiles though, it includes level boundaries and size, as well as enemies of course...

[nocturne lantern]

perfectly within range

hm, perhaps it can be chunked to send n commands of, say, 1kb until all the level data is sent?

[shy belfry]

Late joining players would be a problem

They wouldn't have that state unless you also serialized it

[nocturne lantern]

agh, i always forget about them. it used to be a problem in the 1.7 version too

[shy belfry]

That should be simpler though...

Frame.User.cs has a serializeuser function

[plucky agate]

where should i report bugs ipod

here or #playtesting ?

[shy belfry]

MvLO maker bugs? :p

[plucky agate]

uuuh no 2.0.5.0

obv

[shy belfry]

Dev-modding

[nocturne lantern]

so sorry, i think that script is going entirely over my head

[nocturne lantern]

oh and replays, yeah let's just pretend those don't exist

[plucky agate]

aw man

[shy belfry]

If it works with late joiners it should work with replays

[nocturne lantern]

I don't know if I wish to store the entire level contents in each replay

[shy belfry]

I mean, how else would it work?

Unless you do it addon style

where you download and inject map assets *before8 starting the quantum simulation

[nocturne lantern]

Yeah, that's why I want to just not

[shy belfry]

just not what

port to 2.0?

[nocturne lantern]

Someone ate my message

I meant not support replays and removing that feature

[shy belfry]

ah.

[opal musk]

😮

how does this even work!?

[nocturne lantern]

you can make levels and play them right then and there!! you can also download other people's levels they have uploaded. very easy. so much variety

[opal musk]

wow!

so cool!

im excited to see other people's levels

[solemn hollow]

u can download this.

[opal musk]

oh sick

[nocturne lantern]

ok, i think i'm starting to understand. so i could store the level contents in the Frame in their simplest form (just the json or whatever the server returns)... and then it's available to late joiners too. since we only need it once at the beginning of the match, we can deserialize it (dejsonify it) on demand

unless it's easier to store it in the frame already dejsonified. i have a "levelmodel" class that is the object form of this. however, i'm not sure how the Frame would serialize an object like it

for example, StageTileInstance is an object that is serialized in frame.user. but i'm not sure how it implements its Serialize() function

but now it hits me: i don't really want to have serveral kilobytes worth of data meandering in every single frame, do i? sounds like a lot

[shy belfry]

well when do you plan on sending the stage data in the command?

if you do it every time the game starts, you'd need to wait until the command arrives... but then you wouldn't need to store it anywhere.

if you do it once then you can play multiple times off that info, then you have to save it somewhere.

[nocturne lantern]

I need two "bursts" of data. First, when the level is selected and the name and description are shown. This happens in the lobby. Secondly, when the level contents are grabbed for building the stage when the match starts

[shy belfry]

i don't really want to have serveral kilobytes worth of data meandering in every single frame
how else would you do it tho?

[nocturne lantern]

This would be fairly simple with a command or two

[shy belfry]

Actually. There's a way to create asset objects

at runtime

https://doc.photonengine.com/quantum/current/manual/assets/assets-simulation#dynamic-assets

[nocturne lantern]

Storing is not really mandatory because once the stage is created, the level model can be discarded (ignoring late joiners for now)

[shy belfry]

I think this is exactly what you want

Dynamic assets are not synced between peers. Instead, the code that creates new assets needs to be deterministic and ensure that each peer will generate an asset using the same values
via the command data

The only exception to the rule above is when there is a late-join - the new client will receive a snapshot of the DynamicAssetDB along with the latest frame data. Unlike serialization of the frame, serialization and deserialization of dynamic assets is delegated outside of the simulation, to IAssetSerializer interface. When run in Unity, QuantumUnityJsonSerializer is used by default: it is able to serialize/deserialize any Unity-serializable type.

[nocturne lantern]

Aha, I can turn my level model into one of those, after which it'll be easier to get into the simulation, yeah?

[shy belfry]

Yup.

and it seems like you can unload as well

with frame.DisposeAsset

[nocturne lantern]

Sounds great, that was one big obstacle. I didn't want to send huge json strings around either

[shy belfry]

so you can get rid of it when the game ends and the host chooses a different map

[raw bone]

working on a new level, need to know if changes are necessary, thankss!

[oak nest]

Well, what's your plan with it? Because as a vs level it would be pretty bad, but I'm assuming you have another idea?

[raw bone]

ye its supposed to be a singleplayer map, ive already uploaded a multiplayer version (note: ||the background deco is way worse there and its only a single room ^^`||). my main goal is to "implement" the SPM (super paper mario) pit of 100 trials (as in design, deco and map building) where you can search for one star in each room (current limit is 10 rooms) while defeating enemies on your way.

[oak nest]

will 2.0 mvlo maker ever happen?

[plucky agate]

i think he is actually slowly working on it, even if he didn't clearly state it

remember? :)

[knotty pewter]

I thought it was July 3rd 2026, and that it was the future, but you got it the other way around 💔

To be fair I'd rather wait more and have a bug free and finished release. Because for example the mushroom platform not working, and pipes being not enter-able was a big let down in map creation

[oak nest]

Hopefully

[oak nest]

Yeah lol
I got impatient

[keen tartan]

i think snayp liked mario maker-

-# i mean we all did ofc