New Powerup: Bubble Flower

[hybrid jackal]

All the powerups in MvL all bring their own thing to the table. Each and every one is unique, and gives a reason to use one or the other. If there is any powerup I can see working in such a fast-paced competitive environment, it would be Wonder's Bubble Flower.

First of all, why? Why should it be added to the game?

Well, the two flower's in the game already, the Fire and Ice flowers, both are unique. The Fire Flower as we all know, allows the player to shoot fast moving projectiles that move across the floor, and damage opponents. The Ice flower, throws projectiles at an arch and bounces once off the ground. If hitting an enemy player, it will freeze them and they can be picked up and thrown.

I believe the Bubble Flower could also bring something unique and original to the table. Something that makes it another great alternative to the Fire Flower, like the Ice Flower, without being a "copy".

How I imagine the Bubble Flower working in MvL:

It would mostly function just as it does in Wonder. You blow a bubble, and the bubble quickly floats one tile above the ground (the same height as Super Mario), moving faster than your top running speed to give you time to jump and bounce off of your bubble to gain extra height.

As for attacking other players, it would, again, mostly function like it does in Wonder. However, with some obvious tweaks and changes to make it fit MvL.

Such as:

Not instantly killing your opponent, but only damaging them.

Players trapped in a bubble will only be stuck for a few seconds, like maybe 1 or 2 seconds if they mash A or B. Or maybe the same amount of time players are frozen from the Ice Flower.

If a player manages to escape from a bubble, they wont take damage. But if someone touches the bubble or bounces off of it, the player inside will get hurt.

And perhaps there could be something that can break a bubble, to give a drawback to the powerup.

I think the Bubble Flower could be a great addition. Let me know what you think!
:D

[gray shadow]

the main problem with bubble flower is that you can gain infinite height which is very broken

[hybrid jackal]

Perhaps there can be a work around? Maybe limmit the ammount of times you can bounce off a bubble before touching the ground?

[gray shadow]

most likely it should be a limit to how many times you can jump high on the bubble

[hybrid jackal]

Yeah, that could work

[gray shadow]

another thing is that the bubble stays out for a decent while so you could block paths with it
i can't really think of anything else that'll be to bad
bubble is very similar to ice since you trap your opponent, although perhaps it might be more balanced than ice due to not being able to pick up people

i really don't think this one will ever get added tho

[tired plume]

imo the mashing bit shouldn't be included, it should be like getting frozen from an ice flower where you just have to wait to thaw out

also idk if this is gonna change or "fix" the bubble ability of the flower, but there should be 2 bubbles on screen only and a 2-3 second cooldown for both of the bubbles you shoot out so you can't gain infinite height

[hybrid jackal]

I was kinda thinking it would be similar to Ice, but you wouldn't be able to pick up players, instead, you could trap them for a second or two and bounce off of them easier than if they were moving.

[gray shadow]

long cooldowns really suck to play with in mvlo
i feel it should be a limit to how many times you can jump high on the bubbles per air time which can achieve the same thing without feeling limited

[tired plume]

yeah ig thats a lil better than what i came up with

[gray shadow]

now that i think about it it would probably only be one high bounce per air time because if it was two then it might go higher than propeller

[hybrid jackal]

Yeah
But the idea of there being around two bubbles on screen at a time might be good

[hidden pawn]

Just make a mod

[tired plume]

also how would the trapping system of the bubble flower work?

[hybrid jackal]

I already explained it tho

[tired plume]

like say for example

A has a bubble flower and traps B in the bubble

can anyone just be able to hit the bubble?

[copper crag]

WHY ARE WE GETTING OS MANY SUGGESTIONS NOWDAYS

RAHHHHHHHHH

um that aside i think it was said that no wonder powerups r gonna get added

in vanilla that is
you could make a mod to add them

[hybrid jackal]

Hmmm
Probably bc other people can pick up frozen players

[gray shadow]

probably
any stomp, gp, fireball and iceball would be able to pop it

shells too

[tired plume]

also i had something else come up from the back of my mind for this power up

if someone else has a bubble flower, they can be immune to the bubbles someone else would shoot out

[hybrid jackal]

Is that so? Well that's alr then. Maybe someone can else can make it a mod bc Idk anything about modding lol

[tired plume]

and then i realized thats fucking bad

because RNG will decide if you ever get a bubble flower or not

[sand forum]

I feel like the bubble should work like nsmb wii/u bubble (to get out a player needs to free you from the bubble) but they can take a star away from you if they jump on the bubble or something like that

[hybrid jackal]

ehh idk

[copper crag]

mario wonder mod adding it's powerups, characters and battle maps based on the normal levels and wonder flower
anddddd talking flower
andddd enemies

[hybrid jackal]

That would be cool

[gray shadow]

trap someone in a bubble and then run from the guy in the bubble the whole game

[hybrid jackal]

The bubble would break after 1 to 2 seconds lol

[sand forum]

Exactly

[hybrid jackal]

I said it mostly would work like in Wonder
Not exactly

[tired plume]

also whenever 2 people have the bubble flower equipped, i feel like their bubbles should match the color of their character highlight color/map marker

[hybrid jackal]

OMG THATS SO COOL

[gray shadow]

i read salkazapr message as "the player can only get out of the bubble if another player hits it"

[tired plume]

like a person with a red highlight over their character will shoot out red colored bubbles to not get confused with someone elses bubbles

[sand forum]

I forgot to mention that the bubble would break after a few seconds

[tired plume]

also on the topic of highlighters over the characters

in a full lobby, one of the shades of green should be darker

[gray shadow]

i think some of the colors are getting changed

[copper crag]

yeah

[tired plume]

because there are 2 bright green highlights and its fucking annoying

[copper crag]

theres the 2 greens that are like, nearly identical

[gray shadow]

there's a purple and blue that look too similar and there's two greens that look too similar

[copper crag]

this chat making me want to make a smbw mod but im too noob at code

[tired plume]

lol

[sand forum]

Same

[foggy hamlet]

oh look

another suggestion with a mario wonder powerup

idk if it could be a good idea or not

but the thing is

a problem

which rigs the game

a trick for speedrunning called infinite bubble jump

[gray shadow]

we already talked about that

[foggy hamlet]

yep

and i know about it

[gray shadow]

my solution was to limit the amount of high bounces on bubbles per air time

so like only one or two controllable bounces and the rest are very low until you land

[foggy hamlet]

alright then

[vital hazel]

i don’t like the damaging idea

would be funny against mini campers but

i feel it’s a bit too much

[gray shadow]

oh i thought he meant damage like just a normal hit like a stomp

[vital hazel]

i don’t think so

even then that would still be a bit op

[gray shadow]

true since it can go through walls

[vital hazel]

would pretty much be fire and ice combined

[gray shadow]

probably should be like ice where if you break out by yourself you take no hits

[copper crag]

i think if it has a bounce limit, bubbles explode after 2-3 seconds and only damages when you hit the the player in the buble with something then i think its balanced

[serene jay]

@gray shadow
Hi

[gray shadow]

hi

[foggy hamlet]

oh hi chubbert