#Power-up remplacement ( to avoid clone power-ups :troll: )

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drowsy lichen
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i dunno

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about of this one

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but

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i will put it as a maybe

lusty forge
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i didnt understand of that

vague sequoia
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ig? you mean like replacing ice flower with penguin suit or propeller with acorn?

ebon cedar
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Yeah because the 2 commonly complained about powerups need more annoying counterparts

lusty forge
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idk even know

frank iron
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ehhh

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this is more of a mod thing

fluid jasper
frank iron
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doesnt fit vanilla tbh

frank iron
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what tge shogt ing tho

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p

dull relic
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it's useless

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they'll always go for the better

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  • acorn is too op
frank iron
ebon cedar
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Ghost pinging is when someone pings a person and deletes the message. The notification still shows up on the channel through the victim's screen even though the message is no longer there

frank iron
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no who ghost pinged

dull relic
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idk

dull relic
vague sequoia
dull relic
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acorn is waay too op because you can wall grip

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and there's no reason to make it a toggle, just add those powerups or don't add them

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welp idk

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this could work

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otherwise it'd be knux!!1!

ebon cedar
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If your game has a very powerful item, you don't balance it by making a new powerful item

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Acorn is not getting a spin jump. Ipod has stated the game doesn't need it and it will not get added

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And propeller is already being nerfed in 1.8 anyways. Propeller's height has been nerfed and it's flight ability is weaker

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That's not a spinjump, that's a propeller jump... I think

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It's technically a reworked variant of the jump from that one platform thing in the ice stage

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Idk what it is, but it's not a spin jump

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I mean, sure, you do spin when you use it, but that's taking the ability at face value

dull relic
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it uses the spinjump button in other mario games

ebon cedar
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If it were a spinjump, it would be a shorter jump that kills enemies instead of.... killing them

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You don't associate an action based on what other action it replaces upon getting a powerup

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If you throw a fireball, would you call that "running" or "throwing a fireball"?

dull relic
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kills enemies instead of killing them, makes total sense lmao

stiff sun
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lets just ignore the possibility of how the acorn spin jump works

dull relic
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also I got your point

stiff sun
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because it will NEVER be added

dull relic
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yea

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didn't say it will

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basically acorn could world but shouldn't be too op

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I always see penguin as a better version of ice, and if penguin exists then ice shouldn't

stiff sun
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Acorn Suit gliding would be OP if you could reach the 2 walls on top

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with the glide, you can just fly over to these 2 areas for basically forever and never get hit

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if you're here on ice, you can just glide to pretty much where the bullet bill blaster is at the start

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the gliding ability can allow you to just chill on these 3 spots and never touch the ground

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and then on sky its literally just these 2 areas where you wont get hit

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Bricks, you can just camp on the mf ceiling like every other propeller spammer in the game

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the only places where this wouldn't be an issue is with fortress, pipes, volcano, and bonus

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fortress - never spawns
pipes - can get to the ceiling that everyone can get up to anyway
volcano - closed off ceiling and can get caught with ice/fire
bonus - ceiling walls are spread far out where the gliding wouldn't be a huge issue if you try to interfere with it's course of flight

ebon cedar
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It works just like a normal spinjump because it's not a separate state. It's the same jump but acorn increases the height, nothing more

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Propeller jump works differently to a spinjump, so it's not just a spinjump with greater height

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By the way, this is all talking about the spinjump, something that isn't getting added

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It's all ignoring the very fatal flaws the ability does have, which come from what cherries mentioned

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I, personally, will not repeat them or add unto them since it's stuff we have talked about to death before

stiff sun
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ok

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please stfu about the spin jump

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its never gonna happen

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any time spin jump is mentioned, it breaks your argument tenfold

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guess what we DONT do in NSMBDS? we dont spin or spin jump

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it propels

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but you cant compare that shit to acorn suit

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many can argue that its a second jump and/or higher jump

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the spin jump is only seen as a "higher jump" and not a "second jump"

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also, not all of these tricks are possbile with propeller

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you can't clear most of ice with propeller

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it only has good vertical mobility anyway

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the acorn suit can do both good vertical and horizontal, which is why it can clear bigger gaps than the propeller

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tf???

stiff sun
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(also for context, you're moving east, not west of that specific spot)

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you don't even make it to the next patch of snow

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you COULD probably make it there with a little more speed, but you're 100% not making it to the bullet bill blaster

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but the acorn suit can very much do it, and only stay on those 2 spots with the vertical boost and the horizontal glide

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i also believe that gliding with full speed with the acorn suit is about on par with regular running speed if you're just holding down sprint without the aid of a star or slope

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either way, its core design for its abilities will always make it have better air game than the propeller

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do you have a video?

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send it

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btw

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when i mean getting to the bullet bill blaster

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i mean ON the bullet bill blaster

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not next to it

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not under it

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directly on top of it

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wtf

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im not downloading the folder then

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because

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i dont trust it

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upload it to youtube or trim the video to be like 10-20 seconds

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well sorry but

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you cant prove otherwise

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just record the recorded video

ebon cedar
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I just explained this not too long ago

stiff sun
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idc about the video quality

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and wdym the same power?

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and im still not downloading it

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well too bad

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hell no

ebon cedar
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It's not even that bad to download the zip. Mans not gonna zib bomb us trolled

stiff sun
ebon cedar
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Right?

stiff sun
ebon cedar
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I don't know what you did to the zip but I can very much assume it's going to be a safe download

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I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb

stiff sun
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i would still not download it

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i'd rather be safe than sorry

ebon cedar
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I literally just did

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I'm watching the vide-

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Why is it so stretched wtf?

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This is, like, a 5:3 aspect ratio or something 🥴

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But nevermind that

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You did exactly what I expected you to do. You ran into the floating platform thing and then jumped off it to reach the left bullet bill, then used propeller to give yourself more height and actually land on it

stiff sun
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are you able to record it

ebon cedar
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I'm going to trim and share it here since the first half is unecessary filler

stiff sun
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for what?

ebon cedar
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For you to see it, I'd imagine

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Eh, it's not new like you think it is

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It's just not often used

stiff sun
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i cant see the video btw

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my media player wont allow me to see it

ebon cedar
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Oh you downloaded it?

stiff sun
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yeah

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but

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there's no video on my end

ebon cedar
stiff sun
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yeah, you're not supposed to use the blue and white spring

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im talking specifically from the 3 floating blocks to the bullet bill launcher without anything help you other than the power up's abilities

ebon cedar
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Or even what you're tryna explain

stiff sun
hollow crown
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no

fluid jasper
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well thats that then

drowsy lichen
dull relic
stiff sun
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yeah, you can make it to the snow with propeller without the blue and white booster

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just not the bullet bill blaster

dull relic
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you can server is boosted wth

stiff sun
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ok honestly

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i think it would be better if this suggestion got locked

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we already know the feedback from it anyway

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its impossible anyway

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but this thread aint about it

stiff sun
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that's your answer

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ok actually stop pinging me for this

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its fucking annoying

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no

crystal solstice
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Remplace? Don’t you mean Replace?

stiff sun
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i dont think the spelling matters atp

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considering that no one pointed it out + i feel like no one has to correct someone's grammar on a thread

harsh lily
ebon cedar
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I don't think it's too too necessary

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Though it's definetly something I would like in the game

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And I understand it's not going to be added either

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I'm fine with listening to players and using the line map

dull relic
dull relic
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alr I got on top of the 2nd pillar

drowsy lichen
dull relic
dull relic
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maybe it gets activated when players are too close or smth

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also audio

stiff sun
dull relic
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the video froze??

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um

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you can upload big videos

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cuz this server is boosted

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just the the actual vid

dull relic
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nah

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you don't

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weird

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also let's move this to #mvl-discussion

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in a thread

ebon cedar
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That doesn't feel like very sufficient proof

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Smmwe is a very different game to mvlo. Sure, they may feel the same, but the physics on both games are very much different

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From simple changes like jump height and how long each jump lasts, to more specific and technical stuff like how long it takes to reach max run speed or even the fact that smmwe doesn't have that thing nsmb does where crouching before falling off a slope puts you at max fall speed

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Speaking of things one game has and the other doesn't, the spin jump exists except not really (cuz it does in smmwe and not in mvlo. I'm so funny)

stiff sun
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yeah pretty much what kazik said

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its not mvlo nor is it nsmbu

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so that's not even sufficient proof that it can be done because its not borrowing from the exact material

ebon cedar
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Eh, it doesn't exactly need to be nsmbu, as custom powerups can be balanced however ipod wants, unlike the base powerups

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Propeller is the biggest example of this, as 1.8 propeller works nothing like we've seen before in any mainline game

stiff sun
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i feel like in this scenario, it's best to look at the power up's full capabilities rather than excluding a few exceptions, because then thats just down playing the whole idea's full potential for a task this tedious

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1.7's propeller is VERY faithful in how it worked, other than drilling and still being able to move left or right, it is almost an exact replica of the original from wii, and in terms of similarities, it holds up very well

ebon cedar
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Fair enough, yeah

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Actually wait no I misread that

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That's exactly the point I'm making. 1.7 propeller is very faithful to the original, but that's exactly why people hate it. The original doesn't need to worry about being put in a pvp game like this, so it's balancing doesn't need to be anything fair as long as it's fun

stiff sun
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wait

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wasn't this just talking about making a jump using a power up's full capabilities or am i tripping

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because that was what i was tryna refer to

ebon cedar
stiff sun
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yeah i know that

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i was just refering to the jump that people deem "possible" with 1.7's propeller

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but yeah, acorn suit in mvlo at all NEEDS some nerfs

ebon cedar
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Ok I think I see what happened. My point was a bit unrelated to the current topic, but you continued to discuss my point thinking it was still related

stiff sun
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yeah i got confused lmfao

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all i saw previously was the stupid jump i pointed out like a day or two ago

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and thought that it was still going for some reason

ebon cedar
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By the way, this whole talk about being able to do that jump is so stupid

stiff sun
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yeah

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idk how tf it devolved into that

ebon cedar
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Even if you can't do the jump, the fact you can still reach that far is bad as is

stiff sun
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honestly i think it's perfect

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because imagine if acorn did get into mvl with all of its abilities at hand

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yeah we're fucked and so is the meta for power ups

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i think a good way to make acorn suit faithful but not too broken is keep the glide

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but that's it

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get rid of everything else, and make it so the longer you're not on the ground, the more "heavier" or "tired" you get and you start to sink down faster than normal

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just so you would eventually have to touch the ground

ebon cedar
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I think that's fair enough

stiff sun
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this should prevent air stalling and throwing games purposely

ebon cedar
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Though I also think it could maybe also get that one glide jump thing, but it goes directly into falling instead of wing flapping

stiff sun
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i guess

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i also thought the extra glide jump could be performed on a player

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and your glide energy is reset

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since it isn't an easy task jumping on players, this could be a cool reward for getting it

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but it should happen only ONCE

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and then you go into a regular falling state after jumping on another player

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since 2 people can abuse this and get the other one high up for basically forever

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if you've seen melee's luigi ladder, it's kinda like that except more minimized

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being, you can't achieve infinite height

ebon cedar
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I guess that's an interesting concept

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This is a pvp game after all, so incentivizing players to actually attack people by rewarding them with more of what the powerup is meant to do is good

stiff sun
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i feel like certain actions in this game specifically should be rewarded, not given

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it incentivizes actual competitive play instead of just waiting around for a timer to stop ticking

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its just the little things that stick out to me when playing a competitive / cooperative game, they're practically art and eye candy to see what players can do to one up each other or give others a boost for team moral

ebon cedar
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I very much feel the same way. Small tech like that is always fun to do and watch

stiff sun
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to me, its peak dedication

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that a game can be beaten in any way you like with practically almost no limits

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finding ways to enhance the experience just makes it better

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but going back to the acorn suit, if it is to ever be added to mvlo, it would need to undergo some serious changes to make it worth while

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penguin suit, never gonna fucking happen in a million years unless it gets added to a mod (everyone knows which one atp)

ebon cedar
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Funny . _ . moment

ebon cedar
stiff sun
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something like penguin suit and frog suit would probably never be added because they have extremely situational abilities

ebon cedar
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But more importantly, how much different would a powerup have to be to get to the point where it's too different and it's not worth adding?

stiff sun
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because then it becomes a completely different item

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make its design 100% faithful, and make it play a little differently that can fit this environment

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your enemies are live, human beings with conscious decisions, its not like an AI is set up to be dealt with specific conditions in mind, this game is in real time

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so how should it combat those kinds of enemies without having any drawbacks or one or two nerfs to it to not make it the entire meta of the competition

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i think that would be an appropriate mindset for this game in particular

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because if the conscious decision is to go for said item, that's all they will think about

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not everyone of course, but if someone is DYING for an ice flower, it's all they will need and will discard everything else that is not the ice flower (assuming IF had a whole different meta than what it is right now)

slow phoenix
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this is literally just “item toggle”

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so bring along the sticker

stiff sun
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dee dee are martio

drowsy lichen
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they left it

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We need more brick breaking power ups, this is why hammer suit would be the best item imo

drowsy lichen
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We need more brick breaking power ups, this is why hammer suit (WOULD) <- be the best item imo

ebon cedar
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No idea, but it should I feel

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We already talked about all of this, and every time the thread is pushed, we just repeat ourselves or add something that's already been talked about

ebon cedar
dull relic
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WE doesn't have same acorn physics as SMM2

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I mean it's not very accurate

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doesn't

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I'm referring to World Engine here

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imagine me flying with an acorn suit lmao

dull relic
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WE = World Engine, smh

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lmao

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np

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