🎛️ vic's Custom Match-inator

[idle hornet]

VERY WRONG LAD

[heavy mountain]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[idle hornet]

VERY VERY WRONG

[heavy mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438543061729673367/1438546280887488655/image0.gif

noooooooooo

[idle hornet]

its from [[If Undertale was realistic.]] or smth

haven't watched that

in a while

[heavy mountain]

💀 ?????????

[idle hornet]

just check it out

[heavy mountain]

what thing?

[junior tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/am-i-right-lads-or-am-i-right-lads-if-undertale-was-realistic-undertale-frisk-dexter-manning-gif-4700754485274449055

[idle hornet]

• this is a mod thread, go to general or to general 2

[heavy mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-meow-are-you-kidding-me-are-you-kitten-me-right-meow-seriously-gif-27226081

[idle hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-right-lad-am-i-right-lads-or-am-i-right-lads-youre-right-lad-smashbits-realistic-undertale-gif-21773860

[heavy mountain]

i got this when i searched it up

[empty ore]

poor vic man, ts is so unrelated 💔

[idle hornet]

i told them to go to general 🥀

[heady sand]

This match is so custom

[stuck roost]

did anyone tell vic about that one bug where you snap to certain surfaces?

[heady sand]

no need to, i've encountered that bug many times myself. honestly, i thought it was a vanilla bug that's why i didn't address it

however the problem is indeed not present in any 2.x vanilla version so...

well, no idea

[vagrant surge]

eh? what's the bug

[heady sand]

so this seems to happen when losing all momentum after bonking on a wall while airborne. clearing the ledge in this moment will "restore" your momentum and snap you to the floor above, sending you running forward instead of actually keeping you stopped. i don't believe this happens everywhere... it's on objects like pipes, i think? @vagrant surge if you got no idea then that's fine too, i'll just look into it myself. just asking in case it's something you've encountered before

oh sorry you're already here didn't see

[vagrant surge]

its a vanilla bug but pretty rare

you've based vmci on 2.0.3, right?

it mightve been improved in 2.0.4

[heady sand]

oh, rare... it's intriguingly consistent and common in vcmi. 2.0.3.0, yes

[vagrant surge]

simple solution, merge from 2.0.4 :)

try taking just the PhysicsObjectSystem from 2.0.4, actually

[heady sand]

yeah i was going to do that eventually, thus my low priority on this lol

good to know it's actually a vanilla fix then!

[vagrant surge]

i doubt youve edited that so less merge issues

[heady sand]

ya

[vagrant surge]

i barely understand the physicsobjectsystem so im sure you dont even want to look at it lmao

[heady sand]

😬 i understand, i have no need to change anything anyway... not that i'd know how to

oh, there's multiple physics related scripts. you meant physicsobject.cs, physicsobjectsystem.cs, betterphysicsobjectsystem, or just all three to get it over with...?

hm, none of those three contained any meaningful changes (mostly just newlines, etc.) and the problem is still present

[stuck roost]

Vic's mod has a curse of having slightly different physics

[vagrant surge]

just physicsobjectsystem.cs

interesting that it didnt fix. hm

[heady sand]

ok, i checked out my first commit on this 2.0 port branch, and the bug is not present. so it actually was something that i introduced during development

[heady sand]

aight found the commit where the bug first appears. let's see what's different...

@vagrant surge ...the jump velocity had been increased (6.7 vs 6.6). lowering it back down a tiny bit solved the problem

what an oddball

even stranger: if instead of decreasing it back to its original value, i increase it even further, the bug disappears as well

[novel comet]

game doesnt like 67

[heady sand]

cosmic comedic coincidence

[wet sun]

shroob
or most sml2 enemies

[naive escarp]

Omg there is so many new customization stuff i might not even know how to use Triggers anymore

Let the big brain guys cook up gamemodes for us

[heady sand]

ya they're definitely more complex... but also soo flexible! and i mean, technically you can still use them like the simple ones in 1.7, just ignore the "Who"s lol

[heady sand]

hrm... getting tired of the small soundtrack... most versus maps still use just the two from mvl. i wonder what other goode songs i could use...

the thing is, they need to be sequenced so like, i'm limited to nsmb games

[gloomy socket]

mkds mission mode and battle mode always felt like solid themes for mvsl to me

and since it’s a ds game yur files r rite there :clueless:

[heady sand]

let's give them a listen

hm, they kinda sound like menu songs not something you'd hear mid-match

like "select your stage!" kind of sound to them

however i really like sseq_0033 and sseq_0034 (i have no idea what they are)

[naive escarp]

Could you show me what sseq_0033 and sseq_0034 sounds like?

[heady sand]

sure
screen recording time

[gloomy socket]

prob a track theme,,

[heady sand]

i'm sure it's recognizable to you instantly so i'm only giving you 5 seconds (i nmever played any mkds so i shrug)

[gloomy socket]

yoshi circuit and baby park

gg!

[heady sand]

thankieeees

yoshi has great taste in music

[gloomy socket]

-# why do I recommend you mkds soundtracks yet what you actually like FROM mkds isn’t an mkds original 😭

[heady sand]

oh fr?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1372828280750870558.webp?size=48&name=sobbingalien

[gloomy socket]

yoshi circuit and baby park are from double dash 🥹

[boreal ibex]

they are good renditions

-# i like compressed shit

[boreal ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-monkey-think-monkey-meme-ponder-monkey-idea-gif-6401133862108294696

[cosmic swan]

imagine baby park in vcmi
how do we do a mvl baby park

maybe bricks is the mvl version of baby park shrug

[tulip quiver]

yea

bricks 2 where its just 1 screen that loops in on jtself

[heavy mountain]

i played mkds in my childhood, i barely played it and sadly, i didnt get to unlock R.O.B. I also couldnt recognise that music

[heavy mountain]

yet you dont add him 🫠

[stuck roost]

will we ever be able to rebind the emotes?

[boreal ibex]

yoshi doesnt deserve to be added

source:

[spare swift]

filmmaker

[boreal ibex]

ay cabron

[spare swift]

ucky kong

[heavy mountain]

viva españa

[heady sand]

actual volcano song is BACK thanks to foxyyy's rewrite and export to midi...

[spare swift]

definitely sounds like a midi

[idle hornet]

the way the video cut 😭

[heady sand]

hope that's not a bad thing because tbh it sounds great to me

[spare swift]

it’s not bad but it does sound kinda weird to me

i feel like some instruments are too loud

like the square waves

[heady sand]

well there's definitely a fun story behind that bc they used to be much louder in previous iterations of this export

and so they were lowered substantially

[wise urchin]

some mvlo songs like bonus can be back or no?

[heady sand]

No

[naive escarp]

Bonus got a reveerb effect when i first checked the flp

[naive escarp]

Omg Luigi's shadows looks sooo good in here

Why can't we have ts in the base game 🥀

[heady sand]

vic's lighting wizardry

[boreal ibex]

can be added to the soundfont

[naive escarp]

Holy krabby patty

[boreal ibex]

i actually already did this the marimba in the vid has a light effect in it 😇
-# the orchestra hit does too since both had effects in the actual flp

[boreal ibex]

afaik i can only do volcano and like

sky

MAYBE ghost house with like a very small chance but

since yall vanilla musicmaker fellas like cheating a shit ton with yalls music yall make me want to not do ts ✌️

[spare swift]

me when i’m cool and i use a tracker without cheating

[boreal ibex]

fuck trackers

[heady sand]

i'm happy to announce a new level i've been working on

[gloomy socket]

I thought u were being genuine 💔

[stuck roost]

i got baited so hard

[cosmic swan]

relatable

[wise urchin]

we got

[red mantle]

Really cool level, I like the fact that it || ||

[heady sand]

thank

[craggy iris]

my dumbass clicked on that shit like 7 times fuck you

[naive escarp]

ur such a dumbass

turkish dumbass

i remember we had a romanian too

[craggy iris]

i would summon him on the spot for this but i dont feel like it

[junior tiger]

jarvis, abort the summoning

[naive escarp]

look

the authentication guy is here

[craggy iris]

authentic dumbass

[naive escarp]

Bro described him perfectly

[junior tiger]

why am i the authentication guy

im supposed to be autistic

pick one side

[craggy iris]

authentically autistic dumbass

[junior tiger]

ok

splendid

[craggy iris]

ok goodbye vcmi thread

truly

goodbye

[naive escarp]

Triggers

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-boom-explode-gif-17383346

[heady sand]

why would you click 7 times on a video

[boreal ibex]

i think that's not a video

[naive escarp]

omg lol 😭

[naive escarp]

vic

you should make mega mushroom tiny again

[heady sand]

oh yeah that thing

ok sure

[naive escarp]

tongue

[cosmic swan]

baby mega 🥺

[wet sun]

i saw that the starman didnt have a box icon so

[boreal ibex]

this looks cool but why would you want this

[wet sun]

it looks weird when you have a powerup in your box but it doesnt have an icon

[heady sand]

It has already been fixed, thanks

[wise urchin]

no

[wise urchin]

why

[heady sand]

because i feel like it dunno

[heavy mountain]

hi there

[heady sand]

these rules are so back

[tulip quiver]

this is giving do not the bob omb vibes

[boreal ibex]

no not really

[versed cove]

vic i broke your character select screen

[boreal ibex]

little bone hat :)

[vagrant surge]

dat lag spike tho

maybe sending like 128x16 block break events isnt a good idea

[heady sand]

yeah i agree...

i was thinking of a way to break the terrain in chunks, with a tiny delay inbetween each one

the smaller albeit still noticeable lag spike at the beginning, when all the tiles are being brickified, is also a tiny bit annoying... could be nice if that happened during the "loading" portion instead of shortly before the players spawning

[vagrant surge]

StageSystem

the StageTiles array is initialized twice technically

once when the map loads, the second when the gameplay starts (enemies are spawned)

if you do it when the map loads as well, itll be a lot more performant because it refreshes the entire tilemap at once

[heady sand]

aha. currently i'm doing it inside versusstagedata's resetstage function

[heady sand]

more rules!

killed enemy condition, and play sound effect action!

[idle hornet]

Wait "Killed enemy" condition wasn't already in?

[heady sand]

the video isn't loading!!

[heady sand]

it used to be "stepped on enemy" in 1.7, but it isn't a thing in vcmi 2

so now it is a thing

[idle hornet]

Ah!

That's great vic

Nice job

https://tenor.com/view/frisk-w-gif-26214064

[cosmic swan]

this will be much nicer to properly communicate how a gamemode works 😋

[heady sand]

thanks man 🙏

[boreal ibex]

wow

delayed effects is actually kinda cool

[naive escarp]

delayed earrape

[boreal ibex]

😭

[wise urchin]

Some old rules needs to back

[vagrant surge]

this needs to play twice

"ding ding" rather than "ding"

like mario 64

[heady sand]

i thought about that but it could become confusing in real situations because it just sounds like the jingle was played twice

[stuck roost]

Nice stuff vic

Genuinely a good idea

[vagrant surge]

but the error sound goes twice :(

[heady sand]

both jingles are two notes

that only go once :]

[stuck roost]

say i saw that in the constraints you can chose the "Actionner", will it be possible to set the Who condition to the actionner as well? (for bumps, stomps maybe?) Just curious

[heady sand]

you mean the condition target being set to "actioner"? that's not possible. it doesn't make sense for "the person who needs to do something" to be "the person who something will happen to". think of triggers like a timeline. the condition is the past, and the action is the future. you can have the actioner be the conditioner (aka "the person who something will happen to" is "the person who did something"); but you can't have it the other way around because you can't travel forwards in time

however, as for your other concern, next version will include conditions such as "stomped someone" or "killed someone", to target the attacker instead of the victim

[stuck roost]

I mean yeah it wouldn't work for most conditions
but alright, having those conditions was exactly what i was thinking of, so that's great!

[wise urchin]

includes the starman ost

[heady sand]

before and after

it's over, vic officially HATES fun

[novel comet]

dear god my ears

[stuck roost]

really good addition

[viral verge]

It may be a stupid question, but why does it go up 18 by 18?

[heady sand]

the limit happened to be 18 in the vid. depending on how big the recursion is, it might be more or less...

it's kinda detected automatically, the limit being close to what would've caused a crash. that way it's neither too low or too high

this shouldn't be noticeable in normal gamemodes, it's just to prevent "wrong" rules!

[vagrant surge]

Detected how :3

[viral verge]

Alright thanks for the answer

was out of curiosity

[heady sand]

using RuntimeHelpers.EnsureSufficientExecutionStack()

[vagrant surge]

that might cause desyncs

i think the stack size can be different on every client

leading to different numbers of executions

[heady sand]

Awww

But the alternative is to have everyone crash...

I envision this to be a rare thing, not to ensure a certain number of executions, rather a way to catch the problem and tell the host "go back and review your rules"

I believe a desync, from which you can go back to the room, tell everyone to rejoin, maybe backup your ruleset, is better than the game closing suddenly!

[vagrant surge]

the alternative is to have a proper "rule execution counter"

:P

[heady sand]

Thing is it's not about the number of rules executed at one time... It's the amount of them that are recursive...

[tulip quiver]

rule recursion counter

[vagrant surge]

create a system that detects recursive rules from the get-go then?

also by "rule execution counter" i mean like recursive rtules

[heady sand]

I used to have that but it was far from exhaustive. It's not feasible to try and detect all possible combinations where a ruleset can contain recursive triggers (keep in mind triggers can be chained)

[heady sand]

Don't see how I could do that. We don't know if a condition came from natural sources or from another trigger

This works good enough

[vagrant surge]

why not?

all you'd need is a mapping from effect -> trigger

for example, ActGiveCoin -> CollectCoin

then for each rule, you check if you can ever loop back to executing the same rule

[vagrant surge]

what about a int depth; variable... when the trigger runs you ++, when the trigger ends you --

if that depth ever goes above a constant, you dont execute any further effects and you bail early

[heady sand]

Again, it's not that simple. The vid shows an example: "got coin -> give star ; got star -> give coin". That's the simplest two trigger recursive rule, but it can go on indefinitely

That's what I was trying to explain earlier lol

[vagrant surge]

it doesnt matter how complex

[heady sand]

I have no way of knowing if a trigger was activated by another one (recursion depth increases), or by normal gameplay (recursion depth should not increase)...

[vagrant surge]

just increase in both cases

the problem is recursion, right?

so if you did

public void Update() {
  SendTrigger(EveryFrame);
}

public static void SendTrigger(Frame f, TriggerType trigger) {
  if (++triggerDepth > 20) {
    return; // Fail early. recursion depth reached.
  }
  f.Signals.OnTrigger(trigger);
  triggerDepth--;
}

something like this

now imagine you have

EveryFrame -> GiveCoin
GetCoin -> GiveStar
GetStar -> GiveCoin

SendTrigger(EveryFrame):
  triggerDepth++ -> 1
  SendSignal(EveryFrame):
    Rule (EveryFrame -> GiveCoin) triggered
    GiveCoin calls coin interaction executer
    SendTrigger(GetCoin):
      triggerDepth++ -> 2
      SendSignal(GetCoin):
        Rule (GetCoin -> GiveStar) triggered
        GiveStar calls interaction executer
        SendTrigger(GetStar):
          triggerDepth++ -> 3
          SendSignal(GetStar):
            Rule (GetStar -> GiveCoin) triggered
            GiveCoin calls interaction executer
            SendTrigger(GetCoin):
              triggerDepth++ -> 4
              ...

that case will eventually reach 20 and error out

but if we get rid of GetStar -> GiveCoin:

SendTrigger(EveryFrame):
  triggerDepth++ -> 1
  SendSignal(EveryFrame):
    Rule (EveryFrame -> GiveCoin) triggered
    GiveCoin calls coin interaction executer
    SendTrigger(GetCoin):
      triggerDepth++ -> 2
      SendSignal(GetCoin):
        Rule (GetCoin -> GiveStar) triggered
        GiveStar calls interaction executer
        SendTrigger(GetStar):
          triggerDepth++ -> 3
          SendSignal(GetStar):
            No rules triggered
          triggerDepth-- -> 2
      triggerDepth-- -> 1
    triggerDepth-- -> 0
normal execution continues

[heady sand]

Oh I get it now

Hm...

[vagrant surge]

if you ever get to depth 20 (or whatever constant you choose) you can send the f.Event to warn

just like you do with the stack thingy

[vagrant surge]

oh and the good thing about quantum events... it does a hash and only sends multiple events if the hashes are different. so if you trigger f.Event.RecursiveRules() tons of times in one frame, itll only trigger once in the end (because the hashes are the same because no differing parameters)

[red mantle]

these should be added for the play jingle action

[junior tiger]

Final Castle rigged stuff

Hi salt long time no see

[red mantle]

heya

[vagrant surge]

problem is that "incorrect" is the same sound as trying to use a reserve item without one

[heady sand]

Ye

[red mantle]

nsmb still uses it when you go the wrong way in 8-Bowser's Castle at the looping section

[heady sand]

That's why I chose the mini game variants. Still familiar and similar but won't lead to confusion

[red mantle]

i do see the issue of using it though

[empty ore]

te lo digo en spanish pq da hueva el ingles
no crees que sea posible hacer reglas que si tal cosa pasa, el juego manda un mensaje de forma global? que muestre lo q sea q el host haya escrito

tipo no se
got coin = send message "this bozo got a coin"

es un tanto irrelevante pero seria gracioso

[heady sand]

Ohh en plan "send chat message" action

Lmao ya

[empty ore]

creo q lo explique horrible pero si jaja

[heady sand]

La manera en la que será abusada me hace muy extraterrestre sollozando

[wise urchin]

pa cuando los idiomas en vcmi

[heady sand]

Nunca

Las quite a propósito pq hay mucho texto nuevo

[naive escarp]

NNNNNNNNNNNNNUNCA 🗣️

[empty ore]

imaginate algo como los mensajes de minecraft xd

cuando mueres

[novel comet]

bro realmente dijo extraterrestre sollozando

[spare swift]

i’m using the palettes i made for this mod a bit ago using ez mod and ngl they’re actually all really good

i heavily recommend others to use them for ezmod aswell

[heady sand]

after all why shouldn't i add them to vmci right now while we're at it

uhh i think i can make a build soon yeah why not

since this update will have mostly rule-related additions, i think it's fair that for the next one i focus my attention to the levels. as in, add more enemies, obstacles, objects, etc that are missing from og nsmb so the camapign maps aren't as empty or boring and are more unique...

buzzy beetles, standing piranhas, paratroopas, launcher pipes, vines, '?' switches... urgh, please be kind to me mvlo coding

[spare swift]

pumpkin goomba :)

[heady sand]

The whomst

[boreal ibex]

more like missing hide and seek support

[heady sand]

I can't do that shit man if I try to add bg tiles it looks horrible

[boreal ibex]

do you think my attempts at doing so were good then? 🥹

[gloomy socket]

overdecorated maps special effect gg

[empty ore]

hi frosty

[boreal ibex]

i fucking did it

[naive escarp]

Start working bo

[boreal ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-i-used-to-pray-meek-mill-dreams-and-nightmares-dreams-and-nightmares-michael-jordan-gif-4600240804856944817

[boreal ibex]

okay yeah i did it

[boreal ibex]

i went from making it sound like this to make it sound like the actual song 🥹 ✌️

[heady sand]

They were splendid

I used to pray for mods like fcmi

[spare swift]

fic

[heady sand]

voxyyy

[naive escarp]

Sebumm

[spare swift]

reference

[boreal ibex]

i believe it will send

uh

there we go

the only thing that makes me notice its not really the same is that i think while in fl it uses nearest, here it uses linear i believe? so the instruments sound a little bit different.. but besides that its like close to FULL accuracy and im proud of it

vincells i love you but fuck you for cheating with the orchestra hit and the square waves 🥹

[naive escarp]

foxyyy what's considered cheating when it comes to converting audio to midi

[boreal ibex]

what i see as cheating in this is using stuff from outside nsmb

not related to midi that much

UNLESS its from outside a soundfont

because vincells thought itd be very very funny to use NES VST so i had to fight gods to find close to accurate square waves in soundfonts

since i make my own soundfonts with only what i need i can take from other soundfonts but having to do that is painful

so yeah what i see as cheating is more on the composing side than anything

[naive escarp]

Me when Nintendo lowk have bad instrument taste so i use other soundfonts

[spare swift]

what um
what happened to the end note

[boreal ibex]

what end note

[heady sand]

The sponies jumping oh god

[spare swift]

didnt feel like being there to harmonize ig

[heady sand]

Oh that... Sorry foxy I forgot to tell you but there was a bug with that chord where two of the notes were too short, so I had to go and extend them

[boreal ibex]

im really confused

[heady sand]

It's ok I can edit it myself so fl doesn't curse us anymore

[boreal ibex]

ion even get what note yall talking about 🥹

[spare swift]

how do you not hear it

[boreal ibex]

how do YOU hear it

there is nothing?? 😭

[naive escarp]

the last note is played at the incorrect tone

[spare swift]

exactly

[heady sand]

I'll send you a thing to show it to you

[boreal ibex]

oh i notice now

its a fucking

1/64th note slammed there

being a pain in the ass

👽

[heady sand]

loler

[naive escarp]

volcano is saved

[spare swift]

hooray

[boreal ibex]

yeah see that little bitch

vic show us how it works in 2.0!!!!!!!!!!!

[heady sand]

now showing

let me set the loopoints

i'm going to krill myself where's the audio

ok rerecord

[naive escarp]

i thought vic trolled us again

[boreal ibex]

HAHAHAHA

[heady sand]

thanks foxyyyy

[naive escarp]

jungle next?

[heady sand]

junjle alr has a song (even if it's not vanilla's)....................

if anything it should be sky or bongus

but that's not for me to decide

[naive escarp]

oh jungle is the mkds one right

[heady sand]

or any of 10p2's maps

[heady sand]

ya

desert, ghost house, and beach have ones from mkds too

[spare swift]

me when {insert popular music artist} walks into my house

also you can do jungles easily i bet

it’s not made in fl studio

[boreal ibex]

i'm not doing jungle

if anything jungle would be last

[boreal ibex]

ts so accurate

[boreal ibex]

youre elcome

i will do more eventually

[spare swift]

you don’t have to brah just ask cubby for the midi

and the samples ig

[boreal ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-pray-praying-speed-ishowspeed-praying-gif-13671958547048242627

ask em then youre closer idk

[spare swift]

why would that matter tho

[boreal ibex]

I hate dealing with ts

[heavy mountain]

🐱 🔥

[heady sand]

can i release the update now or yall asleep (ik it's not the weekend so)

[stuck roost]

[viral verge]

I sleep

[junior tiger]

What's sleep again

[naive escarp]

im sleeping inside so

tomorrow

[novel comet]

plea s e

[heady sand]

hm, i found a setup that makes the web build only crash 50% of the time instead of always, and run at 30fps instead of 2. might be getting there!

[empty ore]

vic discard web for a while

[heady sand]

i already discarded it for the entirety of v20.0.1

dw, web isn't like delaying the normal builds or anything

i'm just letting you know how stuff's going

[heady sand]

New version: 20.0.2 has been released.

• New conditions: "Every X Seconds", "Stunned Someone", "Harmed Someone", "Killed Someone", "Froze Someone", "Used Powerup Ability".
• New actions: "Explode Level", "Play Jingle".
• Added "All terrain is bricks" special effect. Also, made it so the "No coins" effect also removed coins in blocks.
• Triggers now have more parameters to customize their behaviour!
  • Constraints: it's like a second condition that needs to be true while the rule activates. For example, a person having a certain amount of stars, or the timer being above or below a specific value. You can also create custom targets this way, i.e. to affect anyone that's a certain powerup state, or only those who are frozen.
  • Action delay: wait before the trigger activates.
  • Repeat count: no more duplicates... use this to run the action multiple times at once.
  • Random chance: add uncertainty to your triggers...
  • Tip: hover over certain buttons to get an explanation of what each feature does...!
• New rule: "score"! This is a brand new counter that does nothing at first, but can be controlled exhaustively using triggers. Create custom timers, variables, or player stats!
• A customizable description field for your room. As host, you can write here an explanation of your ruleset for everyone (including those outside the room) to see and understand.
• Added an option to hide player names, or to show everyone else's coin count (HUD Elements).

• 6 new Versus maps: some previously missing, and others from fellow mod Hit' Em!.
• Added a "Give Up" option in the pause menu.
• Certain replay QoL additions!
  • Freecam is now accessible even after the match ends.
  • You can zoom even while spectating a player.
  • The replay controls hide on their own when you stop moving the mouse (like on YT).
• Added new songs for VS maps! Volcano, underground, alternate versus.
• Added a few extra colour palettes.
• Adjusted physics: lesser grounpound restrictions, remove sticky crouch while airborne, fix crouching while mini, less friction while sliding on ice.
• Fixed some bugs with match settings UI while changing hosts.
• Fixed sticky pipe bug.
• Fixed rumble; now it works again!
• Fixed the vcmi demons.
• Fixed the replay layers for campaign maps.
• Fixed chat not showing in-game.
• Recursive triggers shouldn't crash the game anymore; instead, it will prompt you to fix them!
• Browser build is back on itch.io!

Get it using the Mod Loader or by visiting this link: https://github.com/vlcoo/VicMvsLO/releases/latest

got a bit busy yesterday so i had to postpone
not to fear, i am still alive https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1417242164668399776.webp?size=48&name=um

[idle hornet]

Good job vic

You may rest now

[heady sand]

a modder never res

honk shoo

[stuck roost]

🔥

lesser grounpound restrictions, remove sticky crouch while airborne
this is great

[novel comet]

android controls unchanged

☹️

[empty ore]

vic i hav big fingers how i can jump

[empty ore]

oh yeah do you like the new maps :]

[novel comet]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[novel comet]

dawg i cant even play without missing the jump button repeatedly

[empty ore]

aw

[heady sand]

you'll make it work

i agree the buttons are small but i'm literally using my face to press them and i can still jump

[junior tiger]

You what

[novel comet]

vic

[stuck roost]

seems like the score is a bit broken atm

i was seeing 0 score while electro said it didn't move

(he's the host)

[heady sand]

Ah, it's just the scoreboard it seems

Should still be counting fine behind the scenes

[stuck roost]

I think there's a problem with the "All terrain is brick block"
Once activated, if you deactivate it it doesn't go away

Also it seems that saving the code for the rules resets the constraint (I had used IsXPowerup -> FireFlower, after loading the ruleset in a new lobby it resetted back to smallmario)

[heady sand]

Oops. Apparently the implementation I used overwrites the saved level data

[stuck roost]

For some reason with this ruleset nobody is given fireflowers

(i wanted to test if the AddXToScore works in the first place because i suspect it doesn't)

[stuck roost]

Say, is it intentional that everyone hear a jingle being played and not just the person it's played to?

[heady sand]

Yes

[stuck roost]

But.. why? If I want everyone to hear it, i would play it to "Everyone" not the "Conditioner"

[heady sand]

I figured it would work like normal sound effects. Positive and Negative "come out" from the character, like their voice lines, and you hear it only if you're close enough

Although you make a good point. To have it individual by default, and then have the user set the target to Everyone only if they want to...

[boreal ibex]

used powerup ability?

so like you could do used powerup ability > harm player so its a single time use fire flower?

that is kinda cool actually

[stuck roost]

Not sure what is wrong here. At no point does team A get points (collisions are deactivated) yet when you freeze everyone you win. It feels like a ruleset I deleted is still there but not displayed.

Maybe it considers removing 1 from 0 counts as reaching 0?

So I guess the EveryXSecond rule is entirely broken
I saw it work before but now it won't do anything

Did you add that feature where enemies despawn when outside of the screen? I just saw a shell despawn

Having a rule with AddXToScore and a delay doesn't work. It's specifically with the AddScore with a delay

The score is limited to 1000?

I'm sorry that I have so many complaints

[stuck roost]

about this
I think it's the opposite, the scoreboard is always right (though it's a little delayed)
For the score displayed above players, it gets updated when you die, get stomped, get a star or get damaged

[heady sand]

yes, the maximum is 1000

[heady sand]

i have tested that condition and it works just fine

[heady sand]

yes, ever since v20.0.1 enemies return to their home whenever offscreen

the timer for the every x seconds condition might've gone out of sync and that's why it won't work for you guys. i've had that happen before, but i thought i fixed it

[heady sand]

the only fix atm seems to be remaking the room, although it will desync again after a bit

[stuck roost]

we already tried that i think

[heady sand]

sigh, idk. i think the dropdowns and text ui is not fully updating. that's been hell to code for so

[cosmic swan]

Vic i warned you!

[heady sand]

i don't think you did.. i don't remember such...

[empty ore]

i think theres some conditions missing here

wheres "if player reaches to a specific amount of score"

tmb hace falta cosas como "restar cierta cantidad de puntos"

[empty ore]

no espera estoy un poco estupida
aghhhh el ui sob

[heady sand]

hay restar 1, 10, o 100, luego con el repeat ouedes hacer cualquier numero

[empty ore]

vic yo creo q deberias organizar un poquito mas las condiciones, me mareo mucho tratando de ubicar ciertas cosas 😭
no se, organiza ciertas condiciones en categorias

world y ui

[empty ore]

what the hell

[heady sand]

you started twice

[empty ore]

it was not me sob

oh wow 😭

[tired raptor]

i just forget to press down

[heady sand]

the vcmi demons

no i wasn't spectating

[boreal ibex]

praying for the day all the goodness of fcmi gets added to vcmi

[robust sequoia]

you were doing both

[vagrant surge]

Show the code for it?

[heady sand]

for the timer? i'm not entirely sure if the implementation is what's incorrect, or the ui is not showing the actual parameters and is making us think it's enabled when it actually isn't. been a difficult thing to reproduce by myself

[heady sand]

it's in multiple places:

• public byte LoopingSecondsTimer in Frame.User.cs
• GameLogicSystem.cs
• • f.LoopingSecondsTimer = 59 in the Starting case in Update, below the EnableGamemode statement.
• • in the playing case:

                    f.LoopingSecondsTimer--;
                    f.Signals.OnSecondTicked(f.LoopingSecondsTimer);
                }
                if (f.LoopingSecondsTimer == 0) f.LoopingSecondsTimer = 60;```
- in MatchConditionerSystem.cs, which observes the signal:
```public void OnSecondTicked(Frame f, byte time) {
            // possible parameters: 1, 5, 10, 15, 30, 60. time ticks every second from 60 to 0, and loops.
            if (time % 60 == 0) ConditionActioned(TriggerCondition.EveryXSeconds, f, default, "60");
            if (time % 30 == 0) ConditionActioned(TriggerCondition.EveryXSeconds, f, default, "30");
            if (time % 15 == 0) ConditionActioned(TriggerCondition.EveryXSeconds, f, default, "15");
            if (time % 10 == 0) ConditionActioned(TriggerCondition.EveryXSeconds, f, default, "10");
            if (time % 5 == 0) ConditionActioned(TriggerCondition.EveryXSeconds, f, default, "5");
            if (time % 1 == 0) ConditionActioned(TriggerCondition.EveryXSeconds, f, default, "1");
        }```

geez what horrible formatting

[vagrant surge]

is LoopingSecondsTimer serialized / copied properly?

[heady sand]

oh, i didn't know it needed that

those are the only usages

[vagrant surge]

i'd just make it a global tbh

defined in the QTN

no real reason to put it in Frame.User.cs

[heady sand]

fine

will do

[vagrant surge]

the Frame.User.cs is more meant for things that aren't easily implemented in the QTN... so for example the StageTiles array

since collections in the .QTNs either have to be fixed size, or limited to the size of a single page of quantum heap space (32kb by default, i think)

@heady sand do you even need this timer, tbh?

couldn't you just increase the modulos for each "every X seconds" 60?

[heady sand]

i think i do? to like, know how much time has elapsed

[vagrant surge]

I mean you do (f.Number - f.Global->StartFrame) % f.UpdateRate == 0

that's every 1 second right there

[heady sand]

yes, that's the thing that ticks the "one second elapsed" signal

but then i need to know if it ever reached 5, 10, etc

[vagrant surge]

(f.Number - f.Global->StartFrame) % (5 * f.UpdateRate) == 0

now it's every 5 seconds (300 ticks)

[heady sand]

ah, i suppose

[vagrant surge]

yee

you can do it either way

simplest change would just be moving the variable to globals or implementing Serialize/Copy

[heady sand]

i'll start by moving it to global since it's the smallest change i can do now

speaking of stage tiles, another thing is the all terrain is bricks implementation overwrites the stage tiles but doesn't make them come back. i didn't know the implementation would be "permanent". in StageSystem.cs, i changed OnMapChanged so it looks like this:

[...]
fixed (StageTileInstance* originalData = &stage.TileData[0]) {
                    if (f.Global->Rules.SAllBricks) {
                        var replacementBreakableTileInstance = new StageTileInstance {
                            Tile = f.SimulationConfig.ReplacementBreakableTile, Flags = 0, Rotation = 0
                        };
                        for (int i = 0; i < stage.TileData.Length; i++) {
                            var tileData = stage.TileData[i];
                            if (!tileData.HasWorldPolygons(f) || tileData.IsSemisolid(f)) continue;
                            originalData[i] = replacementBreakableTileInstance;
                        }
                    }

                    UnsafeUtility.MemCpy(f.StageTiles, originalData, StageTileInstance.SIZE * count);
                }
[...]

i assume i'm replacing the wrong list...? i didn't know too much what i was doing, tbh

[vagrant surge]

yea you are

you're editing originalData

you wanna edit f.StageTiles after the fact

[...]
// Copy to f.StageTiles
fixed (StageTileInstance* originalData = &stage.TileData[0]) {
    UnsafeUtility.MemCpy(f.StageTiles, originalData, StageTileInstance.SIZE * count);
}

// Replace f.StageTiles
if (f.Global->Rules.SAllBricks) {
    var replacementBreakableTileInstance = new StageTileInstance {
        Tile = f.SimulationConfig.ReplacementBreakableTile, Flags = 0, Rotation = 0
    };
    for (int i = 0; i < count; i++) {
        var tileData = f.StageTiles + i;
        if (!tileData->HasWorldPolygons(f) || tileData->IsSemisolid(f)) continue;
        *tileData = replacementBreakableTileInstance;
    }
}
[...]

[heady sand]

right right right, so f.StageTiles is what's temporary

i thought originalData was the temporary copy of the stage's tile data

(has never worked with pointers before)

ok well thanks for the help

[vagrant surge]

it's a temporary pointer, so I can use UnsafeUtility.MemCpy, but it still points to the original data, copy

[vagrant surge]

f.StageTiles is the runtime data for the stage, it's temporary in the sense that it only exists while the map is loaded

the fixed (x = &y) is the syntax that lets me gets a pointer to an automatically garbage-collected object

if you dont "pin" the array, the c# runtime might move it somewhere else, or even garbage collect it, which would invalidate the pointer

[heavy mountain]

🔥

[fair seal]

New strat with propeller.
So basically you can go so fast when you hold down while fliyng and then on the slope

[heady sand]

So the slope hyperspeed can be done with drilling too, not only gps...

[fair seal]

yes

[heady sand]

Very cool...

[naive escarp]

Drilling = Groundpound

[viral verge]

I knew that already

On sky it's an easy thing to do 🤓

[naive escarp]

Propeller is more useful in Sky and Desert because of it

[stuck roost]

not new no

[fair seal]

yes yew ye

[idle hornet]

Not really new

[heady sand]

guys i think he gets it

[heady sand]

ah, just found out that by using this implementation instead, i now have to replace the blocks in the ResetStage method too

[vagrant surge]

ye

[boreal ibex]

musoon vally..

[heady sand]

enched forst

[heady sand]

fine... i'll do it myself... https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1301327931787841568.webp?size=48&name=brian

[boreal ibex]

if you dont want to js let me clone vcmi modern and do it there

🦅

,,could i at least know what version of unity i need to get

[heady sand]

I mean yeah if you want to go ahead
Branch is 20-dev

Unity version I don't remember but it should tell you.....

[boreal ibex]

i pray for god that i can open this shit with the one i already have for fboc 2.0

[heady sand]

Oh ok I looked it up it's 6000.0.56

[boreal ibex]

i will cry a whole river dude

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sunset-javgag-gif-6354990519690233079

[boreal ibex]

i'm just gonna bite the bullet and let that install

anyways, since like midis are something i can manage way better ngl i wouldnt mind trying out some quirky ideas with them in this fork

frontrunning included in midi..

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[heady sand]

Fun fun...

It's super easy to create variations by changing tempo, pitch, and/or muting channels...

Thanks me 😇

[boreal ibex]

would it be possible to do smooth transitions

because it pisses me off that in fboc it wasnt smooth any time you went on to get the lead

it was just either YES frontrunning or Nah fuck you.

[heady sand]

You mean like fading?

[boreal ibex]

ig

id switch to midis in a heartbeat if that was easier :istg

[heady sand]

Yeah I do it with the menu world songs

Just call the function and it changes songs while fading the volume

[boreal ibex]

god damn

im so tempted to do it

[heady sand]

Well technically that specifically you can do with normal music too

It's just tweening

What's frontrunning again? Just different songs?

[boreal ibex]

in fboc its the same track but with the special drums

[heady sand]

Oh ok
But what do you mean then by smooth

[boreal ibex]

but i added specific instruments exclusively for when youre winning with almost all stars

[boreal ibex]

just the fade in of the thing

like in mario kart 💕

[heady sand]

Welll

You could either add the drums to a new channel in the existing midis and then switch it on and off

Or create a second midi with the extra stuff that you fade towards

I might try later to add a way to fade individual channels. Because the mute flag currently is just true or false

[boreal ibex]

i see

opening vicmvslo

https://tenor.com/view/реактивный-сэм-самуэль-родригез-samuel-rodrigues-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-смеётся-gif-2629707986354017259

[heady sand]

If you want you can check out Songinator.cs because allat is there (functions like SetPlaybackState and SwitchToSong which both can optionally take a fade time)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1295523574706081812.webp?size=32

Oh no I left the TV on for so long that they started playing tv slot betting

joker poker Balala
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1436761736291160194.webp?size=32

[boreal ibex]

the only reason i dont think i will is because i can and must only focus on one thing 😇

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-monkey-wunkus-gaming-gif-1134879823933807087

@junior tiger will enjoy dissecting this frame by frame 👀

[heady sand]

Oh yeah true true eyes on the prize we need those hide and seek compliant levels first and foremost......

[boreal ibex]

vic........

[heady sand]

Ok then we don't sorry I didn't mean to be rude do whatever you want to

[boreal ibex]

can you add the color thingys i had for fcmi that said what maps were good and what maps had potential but werent good

nooo vic i just wanted to ask 🥹

[heady sand]

Ohh that feature. Well hopefully eventually all levels should become "decent enough" but until then yeah sure

[boreal ibex]

yay

i loved having the levels thingy and having some with green and some with yellow and some with red

fcmi final version had like over half the maps on green 😊

[heady sand]

Those were splendid times

[boreal ibex]

i want to play fcmi.......

or just vcmi hide and seek at least 🥹

also gee your fucking game takes ages to load its been stuck at half loading

[heady sand]

Hey blame that piece of nonsense unity

First time load is always long, afterwards it'll be much quicker

[boreal ibex]

fuck you im not holding shit

does unity have no arms

[heady sand]

The devious wait up

[boreal ibex]

why does it need many iterations of importing

[heady sand]

It's importing all the inators

Obviously

[boreal ibex]

the importantest of inators right here

it opened

where do i start... hmmm

why are there 3 main menus

[heady sand]

Oh no no ignore the extra ones

They're copies from prev versions I used as layout references

[boreal ibex]

i see

[heady sand]

They're very broken obviously

But they helped me copy the sizes and positions.....

[boreal ibex]

viccccc

guide me

[heady sand]

Whaddya want me to guide you towards

The song stuff is like basically 99% the same

[boreal ibex]

fuck am i supposed to do 🥹

how many maps are there again

[heady sand]

More than 30

[boreal ibex]

this feels weird

why cant i enter a room inside unity play thingy

[heady sand]

Ohh oh oh

THAT thing

[boreal ibex]

h

[heady sand]

Tienes que hacer eso 👉👈

Solo una vez

Wtf I have to stop ohing so much

Weirdo

[boreal ibex]

oooohhhhhhhhhhhh

unity killed itself and my browser

i was watching that you bitch

[heady sand]

The devious Ctrl+Shift+T

[boreal ibex]

gg

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sunset-javgag-gif-6354990519690233079

bower

2-3 is surprisingly a great map for races

i doubt itd be as good for

hide and seek

[heady sand]

Is 23 the sewers?

[boreal ibex]

ye

[heady sand]

Aha

[boreal ibex]

vic pick a number between 1 and 40

[heady sand]

Yeah I like how unique it feels and honestly I believe it can make a nice hide and seek or tag map too

[boreal ibex]

[heady sand]

BC of how labyrinthic like it is

[boreal ibex]

yeah

[heady sand]

27

[boreal ibex]

what i dont like tho is the dead ends

[heady sand]

There are no dead ends
I opened them up

[boreal ibex]

well, more like not liking the one way parts

wrong word sorry

[boreal ibex]

son of a bitch

alright

8-4 it is

@cosmic swan rabano

pick number too

@reef narwhal knock knock number now or i will kill your pet rock

[heady sand]

W8 is so underplayed

[boreal ibex]

im about to make W8 great again

[reef narwhal]

huh

[boreal ibex]

pick a number between 1 and 40

pwetty pwease

also @heady sand how are you handling layer stuff here so i can know how to make them be

[reef narwhal]

39

[heady sand]

There's two grids, a ground and a background

That should be it. The background uses the "dim" material which makes them darker but still lit by light

[boreal ibex]

why do i feel like i will regret letting you choose anything over 24

two world 8's.......

[heady sand]

Noo choose another one right meow

[boreal ibex]

kkt can fix this

if he

chooses a numbe

[heady sand]

Meowdy I am turnip I choose 16

[boreal ibex]

actually @gloomy socket are you alive i know you are open your closet and let me out

[boreal ibex]

um

auto tile doesnt work there

[heady sand]

It very much should

Maybe you selected the wrong tile

[boreal ibex]

i feel like a dinosaur

[heady sand]

Oh it might be because of the

Thing where I didn't do

Ok yeah it's not that for me it works

[cosmic swan]

24

[boreal ibex]

what do i do now then

🥹

[heady sand]

Explosion

[boreal ibex]

7-5..

i dont even remember its layout

[heady sand]

Does it work on the normal ground? And in other levels?

[boreal ibex]

it works on ground but not on background

[boreal ibex]

oh its bob omb playground

i can work with that

[heady sand]

Then maybe delete the bg grid and duplicate the normal ground

Change the material to dim and donezos

[boreal ibex]

...?????????????????????????

[heady sand]

Ok

[boreal ibex]

i went to check 7-5 and came back and now theyre doing their stuff??

[heady sand]

Vcmi demons

[boreal ibex]

putos espiritus chocarreros

[heady sand]

q tocapelotas jajaja

[boreal ibex]

pero es que te juro que

quise poner mas tiles y se volvieron feas otra vez 😭

voy a hacer lo que me dijiste

[heady sand]

Idk si no reinicia el programa y ya

[boreal ibex]

gg

funciona

[heady sand]

Guay

[reef narwhal]

Minecraft ahh terrain

[boreal ibex]

😭

ok let me cook

[heady sand]

If I see that word one more time I might break someone's spine

[boreal ibex]

what word

terrain

minecraft

[heady sand]

""""""ahh""""""

It has that rancid "unalive" energy

Sorry zomboloid

[gloomy socket]

hu

[boreal ibex]

number

give me 1 number from 1 to 40

preferably any under 24

and not 37 nor 24 nor 39

[reef narwhal]

vin please don't unalive me

[boreal ibex]

uhh

@heady sand am i forced to use only a single background layer

because my ideas kind of require MANY of them

like up to 4 in worst cases

[heady sand]

Nah you can just do what you used to do in fboc 2

Works the same, only difference is that the colour comes from the material instead of the colour picker above

[boreal ibex]

oh

is it really forced to only be the material

glup

[heady sand]

Why

[boreal ibex]

i want to do color picker shit

[heady sand]

Are you really going to have that many colours

[boreal ibex]

i may

[heady sand]

I mean yeah you can just use the "sprites default" material instead but then it won't follow the light

Which makes me sad

[boreal ibex]

its more of a warning than me needing it rn

[heady sand]

Or you can create multiple materials each with their own colour/opacity

[boreal ibex]

hm,.,

[heady sand]

But well maybe consider not overdoing it

You're the art director here but sometimes less is more...

[boreal ibex]

wow

this looks way better with the shader shit

[heady sand]

It's almost as if giving ghost house the same lighting as grassland doesn't look terribly pretty

[boreal ibex]

fuck did i break now

[reef narwhal]

wait is that the case in mvlo?

vic come back NOOOO

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101143800337944676/1438619210095005738/mario_guy.gif

[boreal ibex]

brother we just started

and i broke smth in a way i dont even think i can fix

[heady sand]

What happened??

[gloomy socket]

17

[heady sand]

Have you played mvlo

Or vanilla nsmb for that matter

[boreal ibex]

....dude that's 6-1 🥹

choose another one

im not touching an already fine map 🙏

[boreal ibex]

background overrides ground

so only the collisions from bg matter

but if i disable bg then ground gets cured from ligma

[heady sand]

Oh most likely the background is using the ground's layer/tag

Change its properties until it's the same as in other levels and

[reef narwhal]

yes to both

however I'm too lazy to check mvlo if it has the shader

[heady sand]

You don't have to check in unity, I meant looking at it in game

[boreal ibex]

stupid cutoff

reminds me of how i had to change the bg slightly in fboc because the ghost house one has the same ugly ass cutoff there

[heady sand]

I'm not good at lining up stuff

[heady sand]

Nothing except mario reacts to the lighting, and all maps have the same settings except from slight variations in volcano

i HAD to change that, that's why it's a feature in ezmod too

[boreal ibex]

no no that bg was always like that its not your fault trust

[reef narwhal]

oh wait are you talking about like lighting given to sprites?..

cause if so then neat

[heady sand]

That and lighting being different across maps (darker in ghost house, or warmer in desert)

But anyway

[boreal ibex]

you know im actually a bit surprised zomble doesnt know about this already when its something you can see in nsmbe

i even remember mentioning it before

[reef narwhal]

i do know this though

I just thought you were talking about Mario having inaccurate lighting or something

[boreal ibex]

then why you so surprised do you have alakazam

was it that bad of a joke 🥹

[heady sand]

Nah it's accurate alright, but the problem's source is og nsmb lol

[boreal ibex]

higher budget higher quality they said

[heady sand]

Oh my god please have my entire GitHub repo

[boreal ibex]

and this is only the first part

😇

we testing tomorrow lads

[reef narwhal]

mvlo in 2017

[boreal ibex]

that reminds me

i played the og mvl today

teehee

[boreal ibex]

i kinda just felt like making a destroyed castle bit after adding the pillars

am i cooking or getting cooked

[novel comet]

https://tenor.com/view/61-41-67-61-new-meme-61-meme-gif-4909211002993893210

[heady sand]

Mmmaybe not on the platform area

It's supposed to feel "bottomless pit"-y

[boreal ibex]

i mean if i push you off you still die to a bottomless pit

i see no difference chief

[heady sand]

Yeah obviously but I mean the visuals

[boreal ibex]

...bawwwwwww i liked it so much thooo 😭

[heady sand]

It's everywhere else thoughh

[boreal ibex]

wdym

[heady sand]

Like you only need to have less background decor at the platforms area

Where there's normal ground you can keep it

[boreal ibex]

alr alr guess ill move that bit to somewhere with floor then

less work-

[empty ore]

oh hell nahhh shut up

[junior tiger]

Credit Card

[novel comet]

no fun allowed

[boreal ibex]

damn right

[fair seal]

Luigi broke 4th wall

[boreal ibex]

i only want to say that the score thing looks goofy

i want to believe at least that the 123 thing is the score-

[heady sand]

I'm not good at drawing stuff what can I say

Rose made a better icon but I didn't have time to replace it yet

[boreal ibex]

what is her icon

[heady sand]

She made multiple but the one I prefer is the podium one

[heady sand]

is the decorationing going good? 😇

[empty ore]

hi vic

[heady sand]

just found out this has no effect on il2cpp builds (which in my case are the win64, android, and webgl ones) ughghghghhhhh

[boreal ibex]

i lowk prefer the trophy but alr

[heady sand]

That's the icon for "win count"

[boreal ibex]

i kinda just got back home an hour ago and had to go to the bathroom for a long time

[heady sand]

That's ok

[boreal ibex]

-# in all due honesty who really even cares about the win count at all

-# for a number that only serves to point out how much of a sweat you are or how much you suck when youre in a lobby with everyone having 2 wins and miibumm having 30 feeling all special like if he did something great and awesome

[naive escarp]

Exactly why i like win count

[boreal ibex]

i hope you get smited out of this world one day

[harsh smelt]

so this is a thing in 1.7 apparently

could be there in 2.0 too

[naive escarp]

What map is that?

[harsh smelt]

rock pit

shiju found it first

i only made the rules so we could look better

ok so apparently snayp knew about this too so it's not new

[spare swift]

that’s been a thing for years

[harsh smelt]

looks like i'm late to the party

[heady sand]

time to go to the bathroom

[spare swift]

what vulgar process are you currently executing

[heady sand]

I'm going to the bathroom!

[spare swift]

ah i understand, however, what is the reasoning as to why you are currently not propelling your body at my general direction from above. i was made aware that that action is what your person is required to be committing.

[heady sand]

perhaps i'll choose doing so at a later god foresaken moment.

[spare swift]

insufficient, i am a god forsaken villainous opposition of yours and your purpose is to defeat me via gravity.

real quick btw

i’m pretty sure the original video got taken down

i am just now finding out

[heady sand]

in that case, let it be that way. after i finish tidying up my attire, i will CONSIDER hopping at you.

[heady sand]

damn i think it's true

ig the creator wasn't happy with it no more

personally i always go with the variant where they're poorly autotuned. it's more melodic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9brSX54vho sometimes i forget this is not the original

[craggy iris]

hehe

[craggy iris]

im pretty sure the creator got exposed soooooooooooo

i was gonna change it but havent been able to since

if you have any ideas for replacement go ahead

[boreal ibex]

So..

While you did say bottomless pit thingy blah blah

i want to keep the pillars 🥹

i want them to function as extremely risky but cool to use hiding spots

also i uhhh think i will blast those up there

they feel like a real ugly hiding spot tbh its quite hard to access unless you do it in a specific way

i kinda want to prevent shit that would end up feeling like going around the rock at 6-1 🦅

do you see this making any sense @reef narwhal

i have no one to rely on to judge on this help me lad

[reef narwhal]

yeah

[reef narwhal]

I like that you're avoiding having annoying to reach hiding spots..

[boreal ibex]

yay

also so like since he told me to get rid of that part which had old destroyed castle shit i want to move it to be part of like some sort of cohesive world building

seeing how after this level 8-4 next level is 8-castle

Soooo... i could make the later half of the level more oriented towards it, probably...

especially at the end

also what do you think about the starting bit

[reef narwhal]

for hide and seek spots, it's cool

much more interesting than a bunch of background terrain

[boreal ibex]

gg

this is why im doing this

While i could just go the simple way, we gotta agree its ten times better having a decorated level with actual decoration

what i did for fcmi was better for just having something to play with, but here i want to make an actual experience

...hopefully vic does like, add the decoration as something separate

like a "Added decoration" effect or smth idfk

its too cool to not be used ✌️

[reef narwhal]

mr vcmi better do that or he's gonna see angry and wicked zomble

[heady sand]

Yeah the pillars do make sense...

[heady sand]

Should the togol be on or off by default?

[boreal ibex]

YIPEEEEEE

[boreal ibex]

you know, i have no idea

that depends on you i guess

it would be cool if it was always active ngl but people like hating on things for being a certain way they dont like so.. 🦅

[heady sand]

Ya I understand

I'll make the decision once all is finished...

[boreal ibex]

vic would you be down to test today to see how cool it is 🦅

might need the rest of the gang on ts

[heady sand]

yes...

[boreal ibex]

ok 🦅

i should prob get a couple of maps done then

ill se what can be done abt dis

seeing how today my vacations start....

[heady sand]

yipee

[boreal ibex]

vic am i taking this into a good direction

[heady sand]

yeah man you're doing great

[boreal ibex]

since this is more streamlined compared to the urge to be happy thing from fcmi i feel the need to make sure it's enjoyable and not ugly

[heady sand]

I like the idea of doing "world building" with the themes and stuff and not just random shit I'd be doing

[boreal ibex]

I don't know if there are more spots like this one somewhere

On other levels

But yeah i want to make sure hard to reach spots arent used as actual hiding spots for how ugly itd be

[heady sand]

Sure

There are some more spots like that one, yes

[boreal ibex]

kk

are you gonna add some levels' gimmicks eventually 🦅

that question goes more for blockhop than this but itd be nice to know what would and what wouldnt come

-# also i kinda noticed that the background is a wee bit inaccurate

[heady sand]

Literally planned that for the next version

Missing enemies, tiles, platforms, etc

[boreal ibex]

mmmmmmmhmmhm...... Tasty

so do you have a scope of what you're adding or are ya js gona do all

[heady sand]

Just do whatever I feel like lol

[boreal ibex]

vibe

[heady sand]

I don't "plan ahead", I don't "note down my ideas". i WING IT, and if nothing works I CANCEL the project

[idle hornet]

He WING Dinging IT

[heavy mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-walking-cat-walk-glamour-glamorous-gif-606557101916811110

[heady sand]

My mind's been jumping back to this lately... Does this happen with signals too? I assume this applies only within a frame, right? As in, if events with the same hash are sent during one frame they get skipped, but if it's a different frame they still get triggered. Also... It's pretty common for an event to have the same hash, right? For example if you have one with no parameters it would always be the same I assume...

[vagrant surge]

The frame number and event id are always included in the hash. So if you have no parameters, then only one event will be executed per type per frame, even if you sent multiple

[vagrant surge]

Also no, because signals are just function calls that you "subscribe" to

They fire immediately. Unlike events, are queued into a list an executed once the quantum loop exits for that unity frame

[heady sand]

Ok good to know. The inclusion of the frame number is what makes the event unique across frames

Argh, then I don't understand how my one second timer signal simply stops after some time

[vagrant surge]

Send code?

[heady sand]

It's the same one I sent you last time, but the timer is in global instead of frame.user. remember how I told you I'd start with the smallest change and test it before going further? We'll I'm fairly certain today I encountered the problem again so that didn't seem to fix it

[vagrant surge]

time is a byte

Wait nvmd you reset it to 0

Not an overflow thing

[heady sand]

Ya, it should only exist between 0 and 60

[vagrant surge]

OnSecondTicked?

[heady sand]

Yeah, that one. At a certain point it will stop being called. I haven't been able to debug it further because I can't find a reliable way to replicate it

[vagrant surge]

Add debug.logs everywhere

All I can say

Or

[heady sand]

And it's not necessarily "after a set amount of time", I think. Like, it can work for 2, 3, 4 minutes. But suddenly you start another match and then it's gone. And never comes back

[vagrant surge]

Get the replay?

[heady sand]

Yeah, will do. I don't expect any of us to be able to see what's wrong without first trying to find the concrete moment it starts happening

[heady sand]

Uhh, might? Iii

The thing is I started that match with it not working

Whereas the previous one was. Iirc

[vagrant surge]

If it's broken even in the replay then it's some state that's broken

And the replay would mean you have a consistent way to reproduce it

If it's NOT broken in the replay, it means it's some non deterministic issue

[heady sand]

ok, i'll check out my replays tomorrow. btw, is it easy to serialize a field you add to frame.user? should i just follow what StageTile does?

[harsh smelt]

so apparently, if you set coin runners and grab enough coins to get a powerup, the game crashes

[heady sand]

thanks. the issue seems to appear only if the timer is disabled, since it cannot determine the powerup chances when the time is zero

fixed!

[heady sand]

Made the controls bigger and closer to the center

Also fixed the dark looking enemies on mobile

[novel comet]

*W vic ❤️‍🩹*

[heady sand]

ook here's an apk with the changes in case anyone wants to test it

if you have any suggestions to make the controls better do tell me...

[novel comet]

theyre better but it would be even better if they were a little bigger and moved slightly downwards

[heady sand]

Both the stick and the buttons?

[novel comet]

nah only the buttons

wait let me test again

yea only the buttons

[heavy mountain]

is there a browser version?

[heady sand]

Yes, vcmi is available for browsers

[boreal ibex]

is there a bowser version?

[heady sand]

Yes, vcmi features many of Bowser's miñons

[wet sun]

is there a pouncer version?

[heady sand]

No

[boreal ibex]

fuck you vic :broken:

[heady sand]

wow
rude

[viral verge]

You're great vic

[heady sand]

aw thanks man

[heavy mountain]

true

[naive escarp]

fcmi tomorrow

[boreal ibex]

fcmi not tomorrow

i am too busy with my game brah 😭

[heady sand]

your game being fcmi? https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1429579489884508310.webp?size=48&name=bruh~1

nah jk take your. time

[tulip quiver]

vic's custom vcmi-inator

[spare swift]

vic ngl i didnt think youd only take 2 of the palettes i made for you out of the 16 offered
not a bad thing cus i can use em myself but idk i just expected youd choose more

[heady sand]

oh yeah. i'm not done with them. i was thinking which ones to replace from vanilla, if any (because some of them were too similar to yours), and got a bit impacient and never finished that task before the release

[spare swift]

ah i see

[sinful escarp]

hi vic

[heady sand]

hello poobis

[wise urchin]

hii

[hollow ore]

why does it

also am i tripping or wasnt there a custom palette maker

what happened there

[junior tiger]

That's KKT Mod

[hollow ore]

oh thanks

[bleak heron]

what

[heavy mountain]

found several bugs

when spectating, activating free cam (or just spectating normally) the text will be the placeholder: "ui.freecam" or smth like that

When playing the sewer map and doing several laps, if you have a powerup, there's a small chance you will get softlocked by clipping through the walls

i can't get footage, but I'll try to get a screen shot of the free cam thingy

Vic's custom match inator mobile ™