🎛️ vic's Custom Match-inator

[boreal ibex]

missing the 7 thousand OW!!! sfx

[heady sand]

oh don't give me the idea to add sfx to mvlo maker

fuck it's too late, i'm already implementing it

[boreal ibex]

goated

hey vickster trickster!!!!!

can i do literally anything at all with fcmi 🥀

[heady sand]

hellooooo foxy foxy

[heady sand]

dude fcmi was best ever, i wish its contents would be part of mainline vcmi 2.0

[boreal ibex]

could do

im a master at 2.0 i could port it all in 1 day

trust!

[cosmic swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297014904317935677/1396744117391851570/caption.gif

[stray willow]

why does this have 23k replies

[boreal ibex]

because this is THE mod

[heady sand]

that would be so epic

the branch is "vcmi-18-dev"

:]

actually wait the latest commit of that is broken af bc of an unfinished merge

urggghhhh

[boreal ibex]

grrr

get to work

[heady sand]

Just use a previous commit 😇

Or use vcmi-20-dev which is what I'll use as a clean base to redo everything, but that's literally just vanilla bc I haven't started yet

[naive escarp]

what happened to vcmi-18-dev?

[heady sand]

Tried to merge some commits from vanilla, gone very wrong

Mostly textures that won't load so all entities are invisible

[naive escarp]

ouch

So you have start over a second time

[heady sand]

Yes I do, but not really BC I have already built the levels and written the code... So copying them over will be so much faster

And I mean, it did allow me to learn the ins and outs of quantum before vanilla 2.0 got released so now I'm tactically ahead of every other modder and I won

[boreal ibex]

but are you

[boreal ibex]

lying is a sin, vic my man

[vagrant surge]

did bro not push

or it it still accidentally -18-dev

[heady sand]

Gu

Why yes I did forget to pusho

It's ok create the branch yourself 🤑

Jk I dunno, do whatever you feel like

[boreal ibex]

ew

dont know how

[heady sand]

Hello hi
– "New Branch" button

[boreal ibex]

i cant do that..

[heady sand]

Oh right perms and this is a fork so it won't work

Crapopy

Ok sorry, then I'll get to it super asap

[boreal ibex]

k k

so uh

do you already have the levels then

[boreal ibex]

bub

[heady sand]

What levels you mean?

The ported ones? Yeah, there's a fuckton of content in the 18-dev branch

[boreal ibex]

-# so what exactly would i be doing

[heady sand]

I mean that branch has vcmi content, not fcmi content

Sob idk what I'm saying anymore

[royal thistle]

Vic

[heady sand]

Yes that is me

[idle hornet]

nuh uh

you're vic

hi vic

[heady sand]

Oh you know what's up

Hello meddourk

[quartz sun]

Will rebase off of v2.0.5

[quartz sun]

master foxyyy

[boreal ibex]

never call me master again

[heady sand]

and after that

[boreal ibex]

also why did i say that

hell was it supposed to mean

[naive escarp]

we ball

[quartz sun]

ipod will release v2.0.5.1

[small vale]

chicken butt

[covert abyss]

did you obtain consciousness???

[boreal ibex]

why do i exist

[heady sand]

the 1.7 menu layout STAYS in vcmi v20

[wise urchin]

megas!!!

[boreal ibex]

gah damn that looks so fucking clean

does this mean 1.7s menu only looked back because of it being 1.7s version

because this looks tasty as shit

[heady sand]

Thanks man I've spent the last 10 vcmi versions cleaning up the UI and I don't wanna leave it behind now

[heady sand]

...I think so, yes

I'm not 100% done yet. I'd like to port the much needed dialog animations, and fiddle with the fonts a bit more...

Btw this is nothing against 2.0's UI, it's just that I think it's funny if v20 looked almost exactly the same as v17 vcmi, but everything in the backend changed

[heady sand]

so i'm porting what i had done in 1.8 to 2.0 and while 80-90% of assets and scenes are copy-paste, there's a small amount of things that didn't carry over
so i'm just stuck inputting the parameters of a fuckton of objects grinding like crazy

there are SO many squishies

i gotta lock in though i gotta stop screwing around and get this thing done

[novel comet]

vcmi 2.0 tomorrow

[empty ore]

vic are you okay

[heady sand]

i've gone through worse in my years of modding

[vagrant surge]

im curious, what's the "individualsquishy" component?

[spare swift]

these proabably

[vagrant surge]

no i mean what does the component do

[heady sand]

It's a prefab-based variant of the squishy. Instead of using tiles, it's a rectangular object whose size can be changed on the fly

[vagrant surge]

right but, is that not what the "genericmover" is for?

or do you mean it just sets the width/height based on those fields

[heady sand]

The sprite and collision is resized automatically based on those params

It's doesn't use tiles, so:

• I don't have to place/re-place them whenever I want to change its shape
• I don't need to have one whole grid per squishy instance (a level can have tens of them with unique mover paths)
• allows for down to 1x1 tile sized squishy, including decimal sizes

The most important point is the second one... Those darn tower levels...

[heady sand]

kept refining this. i brought back the toggle + number input because i feel like it makes sense for this mod specifically

[proven marten]

Also there is a chrome addon which allows watching youtube videos using picture in picture
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/picture-in-picture-extens/hkgfoiooedgoejojocmhlaklaeopbecg

I use it all the time

[heady sand]

I already have a picture in picture feature on my yt, no worries

[raven zenith]

What does the "HUD Elements" button do?

[heady sand]

Controls things that appear in the track and in the scoreboard. For example, to show how many coins others have, to show where a certain targeted player is on the map, to hide stars from the track, etc.

[heady sand]

what the hell?

who ate part of luigi's model?

[novel comet]

sorry i was hungry

[naive escarp]

Hypercat would have said its mipmaps

[spare swift]

mipmaps aren’t gonna fix that me thinks

[naive escarp]

I know

Thats the joke

[wise urchin]

the nds resolution problem

[heady sand]

It was happening in normal resolution too

[heady sand]

Oh hey happy 1st anniversary to the latest vcmi version (and its subsequent death)

v20.0.1 is now publ nah I'm kidding it's not done yet

[spare swift]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-mad-angry-meme-fantastic-gif-24971258

[heady sand]

Time sure does fly. Simpler times back then, yes

[vagrant surge]

lets see it at different aspect ratios :)

[boreal ibex]

kill different aspect ratios

play my way or suffer your fate

[heady sand]

tsk tsk...

[vagrant surge]

Ah.... copout

[heady sand]

who needs ultra-wide or ultra-tall UIs anyway https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1304289196810309696.webp?size=48&name=tongue~1

if smn has an ultrawide monitor the menu will stay in the center of their vision instead of one button being far to the left, another far to the right... neck pain... so much mouse travel...

but nah yeah it is a copout bc i don't fuck with text and layouts auto size, it messes up my carefully crafted positioning

[wise urchin]

thank god, cuz im not ready for that

[heady sand]

ack, sometimes i wish nsmb had more variety of songs... for example, a dedicated track for snow or mountain instead of always using "overworld" or "athletic"...

[naive escarp]

same for forest!

i hate nintendo

[hidden mason]

i have been summoned

[heady sand]

recently i've noticed that i've implemented laps completely wrong. imagine the lap requirement is 3. whereas normal games like mario kart count laps starting at 1, and ending after you "complete the third lap", vcmi has you start with 0 laps and give you the win after completing the 2nd lap, as if you were "collecting" laps and the moment you passed the goal at the 3rd lap, you won. now: how do you all prefer it to be for the next version?
1: leave as is. starts at 0, "collect" goals
2: use the normal method. starts at 1, count the number of laps you've done

[vagrant surge]

the humble objective + 1

[heady sand]

yeah it's quite literally that lol

it's just that since i don't play mario kart i didn't know they didn't count laps like that and so i just assumed you "collected" goals. i mean it makes sense. you currently have zero laps. you reach the goal. you now have one lap

but the standard apparently is "you're on your first lap", etc

apparently the latter is rapidly winning lol what a blunder from my part

[vagrant surge]

in uhhh

in gamelogic.qtn i think there's a gamemode specific data union

you can store the "completed lap count" in a variable there

and then in the gamemode asset

you can return + 1 by overriding GetObjectiveCount

[heady sand]

also speaking of objective, i'm not making races a separate gamemode. laps are a property shared by both star chasers and coin runners and only active in campaign maps. this is because you can mix and match many of these so i don't want to lock things out

[heady sand]

oh dw, i'm asking this before i even finished implementing laps in v20. that's how it was in v17

i was right in the middle of it and then it hit me

oh but, how would i make players start at 1 lap? the default is 0, and i can't do "byte Laps = 1" in the qtn...

...eh

[vagrant surge]

just.. dont?

keep it at zero internally

and just do +1 when displaying it

literally no other changes needed

[wise urchin]

vic what happened to the fast music?

[heady sand]

it was removed

it became irrelevant because winning conditions aren't as simple as "9/10 stars" anymore

[heady sand]

i say this passes quality control. ship it

(the audio is not an obs glitch)

[spare swift]

cosmic clone-walker luigi

you can’t fool me

[vagrant surge]

yay for him, luigi

[spare swift]

no actually yknow what that clip reminds me of

it reminds me of those mkwii anti piracy videos

[heady sand]

it's got it all
no music, ominous presence (luigi), distorted voice, minor key-esque jingles

[heady sand]

constipation

[heady sand]

collecting rare errors

[junior tiger]

the context behind this is this

[heady sand]

cheeto dust fountain

[spare swift]

is that the sm64ds star

[heady sand]

yes...

[junior tiger]

vcmi hurt my ears

with stars and coins

[heady sand]

vcmi soothes my soul

with custom and matches

[heady sand]

done i guess

not much is left to add. just a week of polishing i guess?

[naive escarp]

💤

[craggy iris]

hell yeaaa

[heady sand]

10 ms extra ping in v20? :[

although not that it affects gameplay in any way

[junior tiger]

Damn bro fix your game

[heady sand]

literally not my fault

[junior tiger]

VCMI has too much vic spaghetti code

[junior tiger]

Excuse, tsk

[heady sand]

oh haha wait oops

i need SCREENSHOTS of the new version for ITCH dot io

the current ones are so ancient

[junior tiger]

You wanna hop on in a bit

Get some screenies

[heady sand]

it would be nice if we were more than two but that's still better than one
shua let me send you: a new build

[junior tiger]

Most of the mvlo screenies on itch.io are from yours truely

[heady sand]

mvlo doesn't even have screenshots

https://vlco-o.itch.io/vics-custom-debug-inator

there

[junior tiger]

Yeah Uh check the itch.io with a questionable scaled up Browser

Or your phone

[junior tiger]

I'll be there in a few

[heady sand]

wait whew why

[junior tiger]

Ever since 2.0

[heady sand]

this whole time i thought there was nothing because on desktop there indeed is nothing

[junior tiger]

One of those screenies isn't from me

But the rest are from moi

[craggy iris]

wait vcmi playtest?

[heady sand]

yes...

[craggy iris]

may i partake in this

[heady sand]

Aure

[heady sand]

i am truly baffled at how this can break in such spectacular ways

why can't things be easy

and no errors after that. great. just, what

(that 1 red is unrelated)

[vagrant surge]

oh changing gamemode resets the GameRules

so your triggers probably got cleared and the UI couldn't handle it

https://github.com/ipodtouch0218/NSMB-MarioVsLuigi/blob/f0deb55c3f66eaa358db8fc44c8518e48b40e1c5/Assets/QuantumUser/Simulation/NSMB/Room/CommandChangeRules.cs#L48

// CommandChangeRules.cs

  if (rulesChanges.HasFlag(Rules.Gamemode)) {
      gamemodeChanged = rules.Gamemode != Gamemode;

      GameRules tempRules = default;
      f.FindAsset(Gamemode).DefaultRules.Materialize(f, ref tempRules);
      tempRules.Stage = rules.Stage; // Saves the stage

      rules = tempRules;
  }

so do tempRules.Triggers = rules.Triggers; or whatever you named it

it's kind of a bodge to avoid invalid rules... like if you had a timer off for star chasers, it HAS to be on for coin runners

[heady sand]

hm, interesting. so why wouldn't the ui change in the first place? i do have an OnRulesChanged on that panel...

[vagrant surge]

lists in quantum structs / components like that are pointers into quantum's heap

so its just resolving an invalid list

[heady sand]

i mean when i change gamemodes and the list presumably clears, i don't know why the ui doesn't reflect that

ok well, i removed the resetting of rules on gamemode change and it's all good now. at least that one bug is gone

(since triggers can interact with rules i'll allow for previously invalid rules, like having stars enabled or timer disabled in coin runners, i think it makes sense)

[vagrant surge]

the list doesnt clear, just the list pointer gets reset to 0

so it now points to invalid memory, which happens to be filled with 0xF5 s from the look of it

[heady sand]

0xf5 and 2275, which is the... length of the broken list... (if i "delete" an entry the number decreases by one)

what a fun behaviour, feels like old videogames arbitrary code execution once again

[heady sand]

so many questions, sorry, but why does it do that? when entering a room, the rules are also in the default state and it doesn't point to invalid memory then, right?

[vagrant surge]

do you call f.AllocateList anywhere?

if not then it should be pointing at invalid memory (0)

[heady sand]

hm, yes... i'm calling it in the OnInit of the match conditioner system

[vagrant surge]

well there u go :)

so it IS valid

[heady sand]

i should probably be calling it from somewhere else, like when the room is created?

or maybe not, bc the system gets started then anyway...

it's just that the rule resetting was changing it up too much

[vagrant surge]

nah

just keep the old list when changing gamemodes

tempRules.Triggers = rules.Triggers; or whatever in that CommandChangeRules

[heady sand]

aight sounds good

[vagrant surge]

same goes for conditions

[heady sand]

thanks for the help. oh and if you have a second can you point me in the right direction for this thing? #mvl-development-and-modding message

for enemies that don't fall off the ground, like red koopas and spinies. they seem to think the slopes are voids (?)

[vagrant surge]

they do a raycast downwards, so I assume its just not far enough

[heady sand]

makes sense... hope there won't be any negative consequences if i just extend the raycast a bit https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1343313680460414976.webp?size=48&name=clueless

[vagrant surge]

@heady sand speaking of slopes, whatd you do to get enemies to play nice with them?

i should probably fix that for 2.1

[heady sand]

i don't think i changed anything... they behave fine except from this one down slope bug

you got any specific problems you were looking at?

[vagrant surge]

ohh

@heady sand nevermind xd

i confused the respawning video for "fixing slopes" #mvl-development-and-modding message

b/c some enemies used to not place nicely with slopes pre 2.0

[heady sand]

oh yeah it does kinda look like i'm testing the slopes there lol. but naw it's just the back to home behaviour

also ugh 1.7 enemy slope interaction was quite bad lol they'd be getting stuck all the time...

much better now

[vagrant surge]

In the KoopaSystem.cs i just changed the raycast to be at the entity origin rather than slightly forward and now slopes work fine

[heady sand]

that'd be removing the + (Right * 0.05), yeah?

[vagrant surge]

yea

[heady sand]

would you look at that, they can now go down slopes

how beautiful

also wow i realized i have to re-bake all the map datas if i want the new properties to actually get saved...

i forgot to do it and i was wondering why the behaviour was only working in some levels (coincidentally, the ones i had opened in the editor)

a nice memo to have...

[vagrant surge]

the four font assets that update every time for no reason:

[heady sand]

ikr

it's even worse when it says there's no changes yet. there they are

[heady sand]

a poll for the people:
As you may or may not know, vcmi has an in-game emote feature in the form of little icons appearing on top of the characters. While making the new update, a question arises: what style of emoting would you prefer?

1. keep as is. Small animated icons on top of each player's character
2. ezmod style. Slightly larger sticker-like images that appear in the hud, anywhere you are

Usually when I make polls there's an unanimous winner so I'm curious lol

[spare swift]

hypothetically,

mario wonder style pop up above player

wasn’t the biggest fan of the little floating particles version from 1.7 vcmi

[heady sand]

They are very similar though. What didn't you like abt them? Too small and too moving?

[spare swift]

yeah

i think the mario wonder kind of way where it pops up and can be seen well would be a better version of that

rather than small rotating and fading emoji

plus you can spam it and have it and not take up much of the screen unlike the ezmod way

ik it doesn’t take up that much but it is still kinda slow

wouldn’t make sense to see an emote pop up without knowing the context either

[heady sand]

Yeah I understand that...

Not a bad change

[craggy iris]

oh sick wait how when

[heady sand]

Not sure, depends on how many worthwhile things I can fix/add after yesterday's playtesting. Perhaps, the weekend...

I don't wanna go too long before calling it and releasing the update anyway

[craggy iris]

icy (haha get it

[snow oriole]

yall gonna LOVE this update

[spare swift]

that’s just normal vic mod

also another mod becomes victim to lusts color palette it seems

[heady sand]

victim is crazy

[junior tiger]

I asked very nicely

plus it was already in the current latest version

[heady sand]

you insisted very rudely

(joke)

[junior tiger]

I didn't use the gun this time

[spare swift]

this is news to me

then again i haven’t played vic mod in like a year

maybe more

[cinder lava]

the double cherry power up became a infinite cherry power up

[heady sand]

added some tooltip functionality for harder to learn features...

just hover over things to learn more...

[vagrant surge]

hey you're stealing my components!!!

[heady sand]

This is tooootally not ShowOnHover.cs renamed to Tooltip.cs and changed to be text instead of just ping

Although I did make it more similar to Windows tooltips where there's a slight delay after you stop moving your cursor for the tip to appear. Felt less intrusive considering I'm going to use these in many places

[robust sequoia]

before i download
how many people are online on this version of the game

[spare swift]

not many

if any

[heady sand]

As is usual with all mods, unfortunately

[heady sand]

Gamemode idea: you start with 10 (or whatever the limit is) stars, and to win you have to lose them all. First to 0 gets the crown

[spare swift]

that sound silly

in a good way

[naive escarp]

Star Avoiders 🔥

[naive escarp]

Another idea: you start with 0 Ztars, and each ztar spawns dropped (bouncing), and you must not collect them, if you collect the required ztars you die

[spare swift]

what if the ztars are in vic’s idea

replacing the big stars

you can get it as a way to lose a star

[naive escarp]

I got vic's idea as in, you need to lose as much amount of stars as possible

not avoid getting them in the first place

[naive escarp]

Oh wait you're talking about changing how they look?

[spare swift]

no i’m talking about instead of big stars spawning it spawns ztars

they do the opposite of big stars

which fits with needing to get to 0

[naive escarp]

But thats basically the same thing but inverse

You chase stars, except you lose which is still required to win

Just a Star Chasers reskin

[spare swift]

well there are few ways to lose stars when everyone is avoiding being hit by each other

they don’t need to spawn as frequently

[spare swift]

all you really have is taking damage and dying

or purposely trying to get under people

so i think it’d add another option

[spare swift]

i mean that’s pretty much what vic’s idea is

[naive escarp]

a

[spare swift]

being crushed would be a really quick way to win that tho

i think that’s the thing with it

get one strat and then always win

not all maps can have you get crushed obvi but on fortress or certain maps it’s an insta win

i think a health system gamemode would be sick
in terms of a set number not like damage from fireballs

deathmatch but actually fun

[heady sand]

Yeah we'd need an incentive for people to actually get on the move , throwing fireballs and stomping on people...

[cosmic swan]

-# yeah that just encouraged running as like, what were you gonna stay and fight?? you COULDN't fight 😭
1.7 netcode didn't help matters

[robust sequoia]

How about:
Everyone starts with 4 stars, the star goal is guaranteed to be 4 stars greater (or maybe even higher) than what it is set to be.

If you run out of stars at any point, you die. This could either drop your lives to zero or respawn you with less than 4

[ashen igloo]

where do I download

[heady sand]

The link is in the pinned message

[heady sand]

i should totally host a ruleset making contest

winner gets the rights to vcmi

and their gamemode added to the mod

[empty ore]

hi vic

[heady sand]

hello rose

you win

[empty ore]

yay

yall are losers lol lmao L

[spare swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342793942940385360/1432405838135562452/caption-1.gif

[craggy iris]

what kinda rulesets are we talking

[heady sand]

Good, fun, (even complex) gamemodes the likes of hide and seek or ice tag

[heady sand]

informamos que o proximo jogo sera vcmi gif

wanna get rid of this update asap

[naive escarp]

vcmi playtest

[heady sand]

maybe

[hoary vessel]

whats next

vics stock match-inator?

[spare swift]

gamemode where you need to kill other people but everyone swaps places with a different player every 30 seconds

[heavy mountain]

compatible with Vanilla?

[wise urchin]

if somebody plays vcmi 2.0 without me...
i cannot playtest it cuz is broken as vic said

[heady sand]

Locking in. Can vic fix the last few bugs encountered in the latest playtest and release the update before this week ends? find out more tomorrow

[junior tiger]

Locking in. Can Lust add more bugs in each playtester build and postpone the update before the week ends? Find out right now

[heady sand]

Lust I dare you I double dare you to grab the latest commit and find even more stuff to fix

If you do I'll give you a prize (the prize is removing the lust palette)

I'm tired boss

[heavy mountain]

wtf??

[junior tiger]

Fuck does that mean bucko

If you do that I'll quit my job playtesting vcmi professionally

[heavy mountain]

ooh!! if lust quits can i have his playtester spot?!1!

[naive escarp]

"every fix adds 2 new bugs" - Ipodtouch0218

[heady sand]

jk jk

you can stay

[naive escarp]

Vic its 2041 right?

the version

Or is it like 2.0.3 or 2.0.2

[junior tiger]

If not I'd sue in minutes

That thing cost me a liver

[heady sand]

No, it's not the very latest. I started potting so long ago that the version I used is... Umm

2.0.3.0-ish (had to check because I couldn't remember)

Not as bad as I expected, so it is possible to bring over some of the vanilla updates once I finish w my stuff

[junior tiger]

2.0.3.0 best version change my mind

[junior tiger]

3 is a cool number by the way

[heady sand]

Commit history of when I started (up is more recent)

[heady sand]

No idea what's different sobbe

[heavy mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dancing-kitten-60fps-boogie-cat-gif-24303276

[junior tiger]

Atleast 3 lines of code

Like atleasttt

[wise urchin]

arent the v2.0.4.1 the last version?

[naive escarp]

yeah because ice flower op

thats why its GREAT

[junior tiger]

No it's cuz of 20 players being on 2.0.3.0

[naive escarp]

a

that shi never got 20 players this game fell off

[junior tiger]

Vcmi and 20 players are related??

[naive escarp]

MAKE VCMI HAVE 20 PLAYERS MAXIMUM

So the room will actually get 20 players when it releases

[junior tiger]

Absolutely not

[heady sand]

ice fl🫶wer

[naive escarp]

true vic

[heady sand]

h☹️mmer s☹️it

[spare swift]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-dap-me-up-mr-boss-pim-super-monkey-ball-gif-982477278828963206

[naive escarp]

seems, balanced, nerf propeller

[junior tiger]

What in the sperm fuck is this

[spare swift]

3 is my lucky number

so i agree with ur statement

[junior tiger]

Okay I'm just that good

That means I'm trusted to be a mmim playtester instead of windows

[spare swift]

no

i didn’t even finish reading that i saw mmim and said no

[naive escarp]

lmaoo

L

[heady sand]

muscle memory

[naive escarp]

mmim

[junior tiger]

Ah who needs mmim when you got vcmi anyway

Testing with matchinator too

[heady sand]

hrm, if you disable the reserve and you grab a powerup of lower priority than what you have (which would've gone into the reserve), should it override your current powerup or should it be discarded?

[heavy mountain]

vic do you plan on porting it to 2.0?

[spare swift]

that’s literally what he’s been doing

[heady sand]

me with my mouse cursor on top of the build button:

"no"

[heavy mountain]

damn

im dumb

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stupid-slobber-the-bluetooth-device-is-ready-to-pair-gif-17323072743601828847

[tulip quiver]

what's a lower-priority powerup? is it just "super mushroom" vs. "any other non-mini powerup"?

[heady sand]

now that i think about it, yeah i think so

[tulip quiver]

imo: mini mushroom overrides everything nothing, everything is overridden by mini mushroom, otherwise mushrooms always get discarded if you have a non-mushroom/non-mini powerup (and all non-mushroom/mini powerups also override others)

*i mean, mini mushroom overrides nothing, not everything. a mushroom would override a mini

[naive escarp]

oh okay lol

that was scary

[tulip quiver]

it would be unfair to get stuck on mini until you die lol

[tulip quiver]

so basically just, the regular powerup logic except instead of a powerup going in reserve it gets discarded

[heady sand]

nvm found more bugs

[heavy mountain]

rip

[heady sand]

i fixeded them at record pace

[heavy mountain]

nice

[heady sand]

Enough dilly dally. The newest vcmi ever is finally out.

And it's been entirely ported to 2.0, from scratch.

So many new things! Everything works so much better now! No host-only rules, no missed conditions, no desyncs! All the custom content is still here!

2.0

• This version of vcmi is based on vanilla v2.0.3.0, as denoted by the jump from v17.0.11 to v20.0.1.
• The update took long? Yeah, good observation. Turns out porting mods to 2.0 is tough! Plus, there was a ton of content to reimplement from scratch... Not to worry, it's finally here, and now future updates will bring even newer content, faster!
• Of course, all the goodies vanilla has brought are present here too. Notably:
  • Better networking. Rules will not desync now, and will trigger accurately.
  • Accuracy improvements (visuals and physics).
  • Replays.
  • Better settings menu.
  • Coin runners, teams, hammer suit, swimming, etc.

What's still here?

I've kept all the important features you've been enjoying so far.

• Triggers (16 conditions, 23 action rules), 9 special effects, all powerup chances.
• 10 total characters.
• Race maps with NSMB original stages, checkpoints, end goals, and laps.
• Speedrun timer.
• Stars and Coins for powerup can be disabled.
• The UI is still fairly similar, to aid with familiarity.
• Emotes in chat (Discord style) and in game (press a number to taunt).
• A functional Android build with on-screen controls.
• HQ dynamic songs in-game.

New things...

• Super flexible "Triggers" system. It's now easiest than ever to create custom gamemodes!
  • Choose a condition (what will activate the trigger), and an action (what will happen). For example, if someone grabs a coin, make them lose a life!
  • You can now choose the target player for the triggers. For example, limit a rule's influence on a team only, for team-based gamemodes!
  • Many more parameters for certain rules. For example, the Give Powerup action can now be assigned an exact powerup, unlike in old versions where it was always random.
  • Rules can be edited in-place without needing to delete and readd them.
• There are now 32 race maps, from various NSMB worlds.
• A more fun character select screen, with real time previews.
• The limit for Stars, Coins, Laps, Lives, and Timer has been increased to 1000.
• You can now save your favourite rulesets and load them back in easily, or share them with others. All properties are taken into cosnideration.
• Add or remove gizmos to the minimap. For example, hide players, hide stars, show a certain team, follow the host...
• Tooltips: hold over certain rules to get a helpful explanation about them.
• The web build now has music.
• Enemies don't run off edges when offscreen, and return home when you get close to them.
• Guys did i forget anything?

So yeah, now I can sleep in peace. What a weird feeling, it's been a year without an update so now I feel strange saying that it's... done. So many hiatuses, procrastination days, redoing ports. Now it's time to enjoy. Goodbye... forever.
Nah jk I'm still here. Ok, go play this mod, if you want. Thank you everyone for your time and support!

Get it using the Mod Loader or by visiting this link: https://github.com/vlcoo/VicMvsLO/releases/latest

[empty ore]

HES BACK CHAT!!!

[gloomy socket]

custom matchinator is super back

[heady sand]

🎛️ [updated!] vic's Custom Match-inator

[idle hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-tenna-tenna-intro-deltarune-chapter-3-feature-presentation-gif-10825072340351579213

He's the [[One]]!!!!

[heady sand]

now what do i do with my life

[tulip quiver]

what

[tulip quiver]

mvlo maker

[idle hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-paypal-me-30000-story-of-undertale-undertale-deltarune-gif-599575687210730072

/srs btw

[tulip quiver]

no why would he ever do that

[heady sand]

yeah i don't have paypal

[tulip quiver]

also what's this

[idle hornet]

its a rock pit

click it and you'll [Fall, Fall.]]

[tulip quiver]

vic added it before ipod...

[heady sand]

Map present in previous version that couldn't make its way onto the update yet

[idle hornet]

vic touchs features.... that ipodtouch......n't

[heady sand]

Yeah can't have maximum customisation without individual power up control. Though that thing has been a feature for multiple versions now

[reef narwhal]

people discovering vcmi:

https://tenor.com/view/jack-black-jack-black-book-opening-book-jack-black-happy-jack-black-very-surprised-gif-4461725765954752478

[tulip quiver]

is it just me or is the music lower pitch than normal

[heady sand]

Me when someone suggests for a mod that allows you to set stars to more than 30:

[heady sand]

That happened to me too, I had to give it some paracetamol and it got fixed right up

[junior tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/barack-obama-gif-14713645611577259969

[novel comet]

HUHHH

[spice schooner]

Holy mole

[novel comet]

THERES AN ANDROID PORT I LOVE YOU VIC

[idle hornet]

[[WE.]] Love vic!!!!!

[tulip quiver]

bug report: you can't get more than 255 coins

[idle hornet]

never buy no coins from the gas station

[spare swift]

playtest mmim for eternity

[heady sand]

Damn it I fixed that for stars and lives but I missed coins

ugh web build failed for the second time after 40 minutes

[novel comet]

ok some things i noticed

• it runs at max 30 fps
• the buttons are painfully small, the joystick is kinda ok tho
• enemies look weird

[idle hornet]

2023 AI generated ahh koopa 🥀

[heady sand]

try settings -> graphics -> disable vsync, then set max framerate to 90 or 60

[novel comet]

oh that works

weird ui shadow thing

[heady sand]

oh i forgot to align that up

happens on dekstop too but only for two of all the dialogs

[novel comet]

also i only selected the mega and when i collect coins no mega comes up

is that intentional

[craggy iris]

brah wtf its out???

[craggy iris]

my evil map.........

also vci wtf happened to the playtest

[silver sigil]

YOOO

Finally, we got em

[heady sand]

yeah since you wouldn't normally get a mega given your stars, it never spawns one because its original spawn chances are zero

the behaviour is the same as in v17

[novel comet]

makes sense

[heady sand]

idk i got lost in the weeds but now everyone can playtest it

[novel comet]

anyway tweak the mobile controls and my life is yours

[snow oriole]

just buy a pc lmao

[craggy iris]

damn

[craggy iris]

just buy a hou

[empty ore]

does he know

[snow oriole]

why dont homeless people just buy homes

[novel comet]

no yeah why didnt I think of that before

thank you dude

[craggy iris]

can 4gb ram survive 2025

[heady sand]

controllers work btw if that helps

[craggy iris]

suprisingly yes

[novel comet]

my controllerless ass:

[heady sand]

big sobbing alien

[idle hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-igetit-certainrandom-gif-15383656602329101706

[craggy iris]

also wait vcmi is on mobile

[novel comet]

yea

[craggy iris]

what the fuck man youre insane

[idle hornet]

we're insane

[heady sand]

it's been on there for so long guys you're getting excited for the wrong reasons sob

nah jk i'm happy you enjoy stuff be it old or new

[gloomy socket]

this destroyed me

[idle hornet]

old?

https://tenor.com/pX7gSdTzpnc.gif

[bright grove]

wha

[spare swift]

mitosis

[snow oriole]

is the glitch where you spam start still in the game 💀@heady sand

[gloomy socket]

leave it in it’s a good Easter egg 🥹

[heady sand]

you found the secret multiplication feature congratulati

[snow oriole]

coin deathmatch rosy made it quickly its fun

0-1-99-15-3-0-0-11,,1,2,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.7,,1,1,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.7,1,1,1,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.7,2,1,1,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.0,,1,4,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.6,,1,1,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.0,,1,3,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.8,,1,1,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.9,,1,20,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.2,,1,21,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.2,,1,5,2,4,0,,1,0,1,100-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0-1-0-0-0-A8

the gamemode rulesets look so weird now 👽

[gloomy socket]

why is there a random A there sob

[fair seal]

We got vcmi 2.0 before gta 6

[proven marten]

We got gta 7 before the mobile port updated...

[fair seal]

Fr

[bright grove]

using an auto clicker (its loud so low your volume down)

[proven marten]

Wait, this is actually a better way to play MvL on android lol

[tulip quiver]

another bug (actually not sure if this is one, but there is no "got all stars" rule so probably): using the "give star" rule to reach the star cap will not cause the player to win, and cause the star count to go past the cap

(LOUD VIDEO)

(rules: 0-1-1000-0-0-0-0-6,,1,0,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.6,,1,5,1,4,0,,1,0,1,100.6,,1,3,,6,0,,1,0,1,100.6,,1,15,,4,0,,1,0,1,100-1-1-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-1-1-1-1-1-0-1-0-0-1-1-0-0-0-B3 (at least, those are the last ones i had saved)

[heady sand]

interesanting

[silver sigil]

I see

Lag time!!

[wet sun]

LOL

[bright grove]

its beautiful...

[heady sand]

smiling shy guy never again

[snow oriole]

freeze tag
0-1-0-0-3-400-1-2,,18,5,3,4,0,,1,0,1,100.2,,18,17,3,4,0,,1,0,1,100.5,,19,12,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.6,,18,5,3,4,0,,1,0,1,100.3,,18,0,,19,0,,1,0,1,100.15,,19,9,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.9,,18,6,,4,0,,1,0,1,100-0-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-0-0-0-1-0-B4

i should put these in the vcmi discord later

[stuck roost]

so uh why do i have touchscreen on my screen

[naive escarp]

@empty ore Make room for me pls 🥺

[silver sigil]

💔

[empty ore]

why did you left brah

[naive escarp]

Just went to check another room

[silver sigil]

Bruh

[naive escarp]

in europe

but my internet doesn't want me there soo

[empty ore]

alr join rq

[heady sand]

dunno why it got enabled, but you can disable it in settings

[snow oriole]

luigi jail
0-999-0-10-3-500-1-2,,18,5,3,4,0,,1,0,1,100.2,,18,17,3,4,0,,1,0,1,100.5,,19,12,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.6,,18,5,3,4,0,,1,0,1,100.3,,18,0,,19,0,,1,0,1,100.15,,19,9,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.9,,18,6,,4,0,,1,0,1,100.11,,19,14,,4,0,,1,0,1,100-0-1-1-0-1-1-1-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-20

[fair seal]

Tower on android IS super laggy

[viral verge]

hum models are broken

[snow oriole]

@gloomy socket @gloomy socket @gloomy socket @gloomy socket @gloomy socket @gloomy socket @gloomy socket @gloomy socket @gloomy socket wake up gremlin

[viral verge]

With a blueshell im invisible when I slide with the hammer bro

[heady sand]

oh yeah i didn't adjust the blue shell, propeller, and hammer suits on the custom characters yet

[dry rock]

interesting

[gloomy socket]

wait I was so confused on what happened to that one luigi 😭

i picked them up and they POOFED

insane

[stuck roost]

if you mean the input display option, it doesn't do anything

[heady sand]

nope, Controls -> On Screen Controls [ ]

[stuck roost]

ohhh

I just found it

my bad

thank you

[spare swift]

omg its bingo hohohoho level

[heady sand]

Tiny update:
windows 32 bit builds are now available

[spare swift]

vic it hurts me that the only hat is overalls palette is moddigi(?)

[heady sand]

I don no what other pallettes to add

They're kind of the same as vanilla'£

[spare swift]

no i mean like out of all of them

not even vanillas have it

like super show

i was mid match but i’m saying that the palettes that normally have it don’t have it

also i can hook you up with mmim palettes, or just make new ones

because i’m good at picking palettes

[heady sand]

Oh hm

Sure

[spare swift]

k cool i gotchu

fix super show tho when you can please thaaanks

[heady sand]

Oki

[spare swift]

i’m make you some palettes later

[junior tiger]

Moddigi is in vcmi?

[heady sand]

I'll be honest I don't know who moddigi is

I thought I misread

[naive escarp]

@obsidian dune

i love when

[wet sun]

cooked this up

idk how to explain this

but you win when you collect enough coins to get a powerup

[spare swift]

whoever the last luigi palette is idk

[wet sun]

and stars slip off your hands

[spare swift]

usually if ur in then he’s also in

[junior tiger]

That's definitely the vcmi pallete

Atleast that's what mr trickster said

[heady sand]

Ohh the purple one

[spare swift]

didn’t know that was a thing

[heady sand]

Yeah that's just the vcmi logo gradient

[spare swift]

man everyone’s palettes look so similar it’s hard to tell sometimes

it’s not like i’m colorblind or anything tho

thank god

[obsidian dune]

wot

[heady sand]

Poor guy keeps getting pinged

[obsidian dune]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-gif-8604871114477372485

[spare swift]

@heady sand

you can either take all of them or pick ur poison

i think they could work for the other characters too

at least most of them (broozer, shy guy, etc)

[heady sand]

Nice, thanks man

[reef narwhal]

wait these look nice actually

especially that red/blue grey overalls and the top left one

[spare swift]

like i said
im good at picking palettes

[stuck roost]

@heady sand been thinking, is there an order of priority for the rules?

[heady sand]

There's no order to the triggers, it doesn't matter if you put one before another or the other way around. The moment the condition is met, they get activated right then

If two conditions happen on the same frame then the triggers get activated at the same time

[tulip quiver]

"at the same time"?

i don't think that's possible

[heady sand]

At the same time meaning, during the same frame

[subtle bay]

theres a issue where the mobile hud is on the screen when on pc for vics

[naive escarp]

My controls gets reset everytime i reboot vcmi

[vagrant surge]

i think they mean like

the ordering of triggers on the same frame

"two collect star triggers, which runs first" type of thing

[heady sand]

That's the second person reporting that. But it's easily solvable, you can go into Settings -> Controls, and scroll way through to disable "On Screen controls"

[heady sand]

Oh the order of things within one frame? I mean, I'd assume it's quite literally imperceptible because it's the smallest unit of time but. Inside there, the triggers do get read and activated in the order they are in the list, which I assume is top to bottom

But again, for all intents and purposes... I stand with what I said about them being basically at the same time

[stuck roost]

I have quite a lot of bugs to report and suggestions to make

[heady sand]

Sure, let me know

[stuck roost]

I will do that tommorow 👍
Just one thing, do you plan on adding the missing triggers and actions from 1.7?

[heady sand]

Not all of them, no

The least popular ones are getting out for the sake of simplicity. Other useful ones (like every X seconds condition) will come back though

[vagrant surge]

every X seconds would be easy

[heady sand]

Same with the special effects. In the current version only the most useful and popular ones (and easiest for me to implement) have made it in

[heady sand]

Yeah it's just a timer thankfully

[stuck roost]

The time based ones are important yes
I was thinking about the triggers for directionnal inputs, and actions like random teleport, explode player

[heady sand]

Stuff like Random teleport, explode map, all map is bricks... are so funny that yeah I will try bringing them back too lol

Directional input conditions though idk, they are useful I guess... not sure how easy for me to implement though?

[stuck roost]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Im not the dev here

[heady sand]

We'll see about that one

[stuck roost]

I will suggest a lot of things, and I clearly don't expect anything to be added, do what you think is best

[heady sand]

I'm actually excited to read them

Gets the creative juices flowing

[stuck roost]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oeOlnEiO_UA8Htb5fNg6xnOaFZ54jvlw4ZaJsbe8NQs/edit?usp=sharing

Sharing this here btw, im gonna save rulesets in there

[stuck roost]

Nice
I will make a clear list tommorow

Least I can say is that I had fun tonight, so thank you

[heady sand]

I'm very glad

[heady sand]

Yeah it's a bug in 2.0.3.0 vanilla

[naive escarp]

oh shi i forgot its 2.0.3 lmao

[naive escarp]

vic, do you plan on bringing back "every X seconds" rules?

[novel comet]

bro cant scroll up

[naive escarp]

Just seemed like a normal discussion for me

[reef narwhal]

mvlo before the big bang:

[naive escarp]

Luigi existed before the marioverse did? 🤔

[reef narwhal]

yup

[viral verge]

The 'Every X seconds' is in fact essential

[heady sand]

Agreed

[heady sand]

yummy, 1 fps and two seconds of ping

ik it's a development build, but the master build wouldn't even boot so

the fps changes depending on the song playing omg

also i can't move

sigh

[craggy iris]

the fucking cockroach chains image

[heady sand]

That's how I've felt the entire process predating the update

[craggy iris]

oh yea btw will pipes 2 and autumn also be brought back

[naive escarp]

Autumn is back

[craggy iris]

oh

didnt notice

dude i keep forgetting vanilla no longer has 10 maps but instead 12

what the heck

[heavy mountain]

where are Yoshi, Waluigi and Wario

[heady sand]

Autumn is already in, rock pit and pipes 2 will be back soon

[fair seal]

where are the star coins?

[naive escarp]

Coin Chasers

[fair seal]

yeah but i mean

the normal ones

[silver sigil]

💔 😭

Crashed game brrr

[heavy mountain]

Windows 10 User?

[silver sigil]

Yupp

[idle hornet]

-# as if [[No one.]] uses win10

[heavy mountain]

i use it too

:D

kind of?

i have Windows 11 with atlasos (it optimizes it, making it look like windows 10)

[idle hornet]

sooo you use win11...

[silver sigil]

I before installed windows11

[craggy iris]

sick

what if we play the vcmi 2.0 game vic made sometime

[heady sand]

attention citizens

importante

[heady sand]

yes that would be splendid

[junior tiger]

oh my gah i wonder where this was snet

might be a super secret server

[heady sand]

vcmi discord server

[tribal marlin]

Hello vic i have a question , did you update the phone controls? 🤔

[heady sand]

The dpad has been replaced by a stick. The rest has stayed the same, although the buttons are admittedly quite small at the moment

[tribal marlin]

Thanks for everything Vic, now I can play with my friends

[junior tiger]

jeff mario

[novel comet]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-in-wonderland-rabbit-time-all-roads-lead-to-rome-rorb-gif-16960488214235607997

/j

[heady sand]

See you next year 20.0.2

[novel comet]

yknow what fair enough

[stuck roost]

oh there's no trigger for losing a star?

[heady sand]

I don't think that's ever been a thing

Losing a star is tied to getting knocked back or hurt, which do exist

[stuck roost]

I was thinking of having a rule that triggers for every star that you lose, even stars that got removed by another rule

also i don't know if it's only me but i can't escape replays, the menu doesn't pop up

[heady sand]

that's odd. the pause menu should pop up with escape

oh, i see. if you pause the replay while in the middle of the popup animation, it can get stuck invisible

if you unpause the replay there's a chance the pause menu returns

try using esc to close the popup until the dim background disappears, and the mouse to press the buttons on top

[heady sand]

oh, i see...

-# i see so many things

[stuck roost]

Oh yeah it worked but uh

wrong menu lol

[heady sand]

it's fine just that the "Return to room" button has the wrong text lol

if you click it, the replay ui toggles visibility as usual

[stuck roost]

just asking, where should bugs be reported, here or on the server

[heady sand]

anything works fine

the server's more inactive, but there's a dedicated channel for it. but in here, more people might see it

[fair seal]

vic there is a broken pipe on 2-A not very annoying but it kinda feels wrong

[heady sand]

😊

[silver sigil]

Sprit name????

Why appears that

[spare swift]

will never not amaze me how you accomplish these things vic

[heady sand]

i put the model in the scene. the model explodes. my hands? clean. the perpetrator? Unity Game Engine.

[heady sand]

looks like i forgot to add the icon for the rules...

[spare swift]

will never not amaze me how unity accomplishes these things vic

[heady sand]

i am amazed too. vcmi is cursed in a beautiful way

[vagrant surge]

<sprite name=room_rouxls> when

[heady sand]

g-g-g-g-ghost!!!

[heavy mountain]

yoshi,wario and waluigi when

[heady sand]

wow it's even worserer in here

[heavy mountain]

HOLY CRAP

VR VCMi

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flabbergasted-shocked-wink-reaction-gif-25698054

[heady sand]

lui will haunt you forever

[heavy mountain]

wut

[idle hornet]

vic how are you doing this

[heady sand]

i'm doing ok thanks

[spare swift]

mf looks like he’d catch me and then tell me “the world is better of without you”

[novel comet]

i get it

[fair seal]

okay what

[idle hornet]

new strat unlocked,,,

[fair seal]

Imagine playing mario hunt on vcmi and then you do this

[idle hornet]

exactly!!!

[fair seal]

other spot here

[idle hornet]

campin

[fair seal]

This was hard
Rules:
Coin / Kill

[heady sand]

Interesting...

[wise urchin]

em...

[tulip quiver]

i hate that star model

[spare swift]

i like it more than the mk8 star model that windows uses

[gloomy socket]

tbh the model isn’t bad at all, it’s from 64ds
just that vic forgor how it looked like so it’s not shade smooth sob

[heady sand]

it's just the sm64ds one... i personally have grown tired of the nsmb one bc of those weird eyes...

also i'm running out of space

where do i put the new score thing

unless i movethe start game button outside the box, like the back and options buttons are

nah i actually can't

hmmm time to cram everything even closer ig

[cosmic swan]

make room settings small like the red buttons? 🤔

[heady sand]

yeah but like the red buttons are the matchinator settings...

and room settings are unrelated options like player count and public/private toggle...

made it work, you can't even tell

no one suggest anything else, this time it'll really not fit

[vagrant surge]

scrollview time

[heady sand]

never 🤢 i've left that life behind

🎛️ vic's Custom Match-inator

[naive escarp]

Its still vcmi

[heavy mountain]

add more characers ppzlpz

[junior tiger]

vic playing as mario

holy new

[spare swift]

was about to suggest that myself

maybe at some point you could have like an arrow button that switches the options there

like pages

[heady sand]

a week has passed so i figured i'd remove the "updated!" tag

[naive escarp]

Also vic

[heady sand]

channel name's long enough anyway

[heady sand]

not playing... it's just the scene...

[junior tiger]

That's what they all say tsk tsk tsk

just admit it already

[heady sand]

i purposefully made it into a non scrollable view unlike it was in previous versions because it's more appealing to me to have the main toggles visible in one screen, without needing extra navigation to reveal them

[spare swift]

yeah that’s fair

[naive escarp]

whats your favorite nsmb enemy to play as

[spare swift]

boo

one day…

[heady sand]

uhh i always pick broozer...

[heady sand]

oh the animations!

[naive escarp]

I like that one cuz its the most accurate to the high res sprite from NSMBE

[spare swift]

ngl dude i would totally pour my heart into making boo playable for vic mod

animations included

[heady sand]

oh well that would be wonderful

i appreciate contributions a lot

plus boo is a minion and he's a cool guy so he fits in the rooster

[spare swift]

maybe after mmim comes out and i have my new computer i’ll get into it

[heady sand]

oh but boos alr exist as enemies

[spare swift]

it’s in one map i think it’s fine

plus he can have an alt for the bomb boo

[heady sand]

suppose we can make an exception

[bright grove]

notoss caught secretly playing vcmi

[heavy mountain]

ermmm the image is..

[heavy mountain]

also why no coloured names'

[heady sand]

I'm leaving those for later

[heavy mountain]

thanks

[stuck roost]

It seems having a starman makes you appear above the background even with "Player is behind terrain" setting

[heady sand]

add a description to your rooms... no more explaining your complex gamemodes...

[novel comet]

ipod gotta add this omg this is so peak

[heady sand]

but in vanilla you can't create custom stuff

so it wouldn't have a use...

[tulip quiver]

counterpoint: custom lobby rules

like "use luigi or you will get banned"

[novel comet]

more like idk

"no pro people allowed"

or

"im pro if youre noob imma beat your ass"

[heady sand]

Oh

Ya fair enough

room motd

[naive escarp]

Luigi only rooms will finally be real

[empty ore]

can i fill the entire box with A's

[heady sand]

Yes

[empty ore]

peak.

[junior tiger]

Why As when you can do Bs or Cs

Or even better: ||fill the box with a bunch of 3s||

[heady sand]

Or do ASCII art of your favourite thing

Grande dad

[junior tiger]

Flinte Stones

[bleak heron]

I'm see you in youtube

[heady sand]

person.

[naive escarp]

bruhh

How did you do that lol

[heady sand]

I found an exploit to allow for rich text tags in chat sob

And then typed "O-K" with the rotated 90° tag

Technically this is a bug and I should patch it. However, i will allow it for the funsies

[gloomy socket]

text rotation tags wattttt,,,,

[heavy mountain]

vic does vcmi have colored names + fixed propeller mushroom image?

[empty ore]

.

[cosmic swan]

yay!

[heady sand]

The propeller icon is intentional, as for coloured names you already got an answer for it mere hours ago

[heavy mountain]

oh alr

[craggy iris]

some dude

[stuck roost]

Sees a bug: "Intentional."

[heady sand]

the propeller sprite is taller than every other powerup, so it would'nt fit

just like the mega

anyway check this new feature ouuuutttttt

you can now have your triggers activate only while something else is true about players or the match

[stuck roost]

So it's a 'bug'
Though i agree it's really not important

[heady sand]

It's not a bug. I purposefully cut it so it wouldn't be a different scale

Just like the mega lol

[stuck roost]

alright you win

[stuck roost]

Oh my god

Amazing

[craggy iris]

why is there an evil star

[viral verge]

Holy jesus, it multiplied customization by a lot. We just need to find ideas now

[stuck roost]

I already have ideas, I'm simply patiently waiting

[heady sand]

A tip I like to tell others for coming up with ideas is not to try creating gamemodes from looking at the settings. instead, think of a gamemode from another game, then try dividing it into rules to "port" it to vcmi. Kinda like programming!

Yes what do you code in?

mario,

[wise urchin]

You must fix bowser's minions when you get a hammer

[stuck roost]

correct!

[spare swift]

item rain setting when

or uh timers per person

so i could make a knockout mode like mkwii

i think timers per person would be cool overall

[heady sand]

we have every X seconds conditions now if that's what you mean

well, we will have but ya

[spare swift]

no i mean like everyone has their own visible timer, and you can set conditions to make it add seconds to your timer

or remove time

like got star -> +5 seconds
took damage -> -5 seconds

if you run out of time on your timer then you could make smth happen like disqualification or smth

or certain things are enabled after your timer reaches a certain value

[heady sand]

oh yeah ok

that can be achieved with the new "score" rule that snayp suggested and that i'll be adding. it's basically another number that serves no purpose initially, but that you can control and check for using triggers. each player has their own score, just like star count and coin count

so you can enable the "score", then have a trigger that says "every 1 second, substract 1 from score". and you've got a timer

[vagrant surge]

inb4 vic's scripting language

[stuck roost]

So the score is personal ?

[heady sand]

Yes

[heady sand]

hm, what else to add for the next update, what else to add...

[stuck roost]

need ideas?

[heady sand]

sure https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1301327931787841568.webp?size=48&name=brian

i alr have stuff in the backlog but i need to think and see what will be for now, and what for later...

[idle hornet]

epicly glazed donuts...

[stuck roost]

you added everything you wanted to add already??

[heady sand]

well that's a tough question to answer

i'd say "no, i haven't" but i need to draw the line somewhere for this next update

[stuck roost]

so you're looking for small things to add you mean?

[craggy iris]

vci add portable mario forever :rhumbs_hp: 👍 👍 :thymbs_up: 👍

[heady sand]

Hp thumb

[wise urchin]

what

[spare swift]

buzzy beetle leak

[robust sequoia]

add super mario melatonin

[heady sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1209562741673697310.webp?size=48&name=questionnaire

[bleak bone]

lua integration

[craggy iris]

greece jumpscare

[heady sand]

Don't tempt me

[vagrant surge]

@heady sand ive thought about lua but youd need to change the base implementation to use FPs over floats

it's probably easy to serialize the state tho since lua is made for this kind of thing

[heady sand]

Yeah, I've seen your worries about how lua is not deterministic...

[vagrant surge]

srb2(k) uses lua for its scripting, so there must be a way

it's a deterministic netcode as well, just delay-based lockstep instead of rollback/prediction

[heavy mountain]

yoshi character + colored names :)

[junior tiger]

bro is obsessed with coloured names

[idle hornet]

why colored names

[heavy mountain]

they are cool

feudalism mechanic

lmao

[heady sand]

I'm not just going to give out coloured names to anyone

[junior tiger]

Am I going to get coloured names?

Asking for a friend that is asking for me

trust

[heady sand]

I'll keep the same functionality as in previous versions, where contributors and playtesters get the special role

[heavy mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-cat-cute-kitty-begging-gif-16502069

no yoshi, wario or waluigi character? :C

[idle hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/spamton-watch-yo-tone-swatch-undertale-gif-8203768380277250079

[heady sand]

No, overused as hell

[heavy mountain]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

MEANIE >:3

[idle hornet]

hello vic!!!!

how are ya

[heady sand]

Yeah

Sorry

[junior tiger]

Shit

[heady sand]

Hello meddourk hi I'm ok I'm doing fine thanks

[junior tiger]

now I have to look gay in game now

[idle hornet]

nice to hear

[heady sand]

You're going to get that bi name and you'll like it

[junior tiger]

ukraine colour pallete and bi name colour

what a combo

[heavy mountain]

if he doesnt want it ill take it 😎

[junior tiger]

if I don't want it for whatever reason I'll click on a button

Am I right lads or am I right lads

[idle hornet]

this human beign is obsessed with a couple pixles in his player name

[idle hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-right-lad-am-i-right-lads-or-am-i-right-lads-youre-right-lad-smashbits-realistic-undertale-gif-21773860

[heavy mountain]

im a kitty not a human

at least its what i believe online

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-story-mode-mcsm-romeo-mcsm-gif-1366070842805701309

ok time to listen to anime bangers bye

[spare swift]

i thought you liked yoshi tho

[heady sand]

Yes I do, but I don't feel like adding characters that many other mods already have

I like representing little guys like an enemy from that one game that Nintendo never used again, for example

[heavy mountain]

BIRDO

aw :c

what if birdo was a playable character with Yoshi as a color palette?

or some kind of style?

[tulip quiver]

by the way, srb2's lua scripting works in netgames by just not having non-atomic stuff in the language (no functions that wait) and leaving scripts to synchronize their variables by themselves via a NetVars hook (and game-managed userdata structures, which automatically serialize their added keys as well)

it is possible to write scripts that intentionally (or accidentally) desync, though the game will try resynching in this scenario

[vagrant surge]

the problem is that mvlo wont ever resync, so it needs to be correct.

[heavy mountain]

intense nerd talk about coding and sh#t

[heavy mountain]

also IPod why am i not allowed to wear the mvlo tag?

[vagrant surge]

it's a nitro boost thing and the server doesn't have enough

[heavy mountain]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

ILL BOOST IT THIS WEEKEND LOWK

THE TAG IS NOT GOING DOWN ON MY WATCH!!!!

[tulip quiver]

*but scripts shouldn't desync the game (as in, if one does, the modder is making some mistake or there's a game bug)

[vagrant surge]

ideally it wouldn't be possible.

i'd want to strip out everything that could desync, make it safe for modders.

[tulip quiver]

ok

[vagrant surge]

quantum also makes serialization way more difficult due to the prediction/rollback loop

Well... kind of.

You'd need just two methods for the entire lua state, a serialize and a deep copy.

[heady sand]

The most notable thing is floats, right? A pretty important to have primitive that would need to be completely replaced

It's not something modders would be able to work around, really

[vagrant surge]

yeah. floats, any std lib that uses math or allows for weird stuff (cpu usage, network access, etc)

in the miniscript addon test I was able to replace all instance of double with FP and it worked fine since it's a C# based interpreted lang

@heavy mountain please, you're making in very hard to talk lol

[heady sand]

I do wonder how srb2k lua support handles that. Just tell the modders to never use floats? Or perhaps it's not an issue for them

[vagrant surge]

they completely stripped out floats

everything's an int

and then they require you to use FRACUNIT = 65536

for a Q16.16 fixed point (same as quantum's FP (well technically quantum's is Q48.16 but its recommended to stay within 16.16 for multiplication reasons))

so for a "1.5" literal, you'd have to do 1 * FRACUNIT + (FRACUNIT / 2)

[heady sand]

Rough...

[vagrant surge]

https://wiki.srb2.org/wiki/Lua#Changes_from_standard_Lua

[heady sand]

But technically one would never need floats if the scale of all units is changed. For example, Mario's speed could be 15 instead of 1.5

[heady sand]

Ooh, nice documentation

[vagrant surge]

yeah

but since its an interpreted language, you could just replace the backing functionality / variables like I did with miniscript

and suddenly everything just works

x = 1.5 + 2.111 would be all FPs, not floats, no desync.

hell, that's better syntax than what we have to do in c# lmao

[heady sand]

Sounds really nice

[heavy mountain]

the conversation seemed to be over, as vic stated:

[idle hornet]

if you have nothing useful to add in, stop saying bs

im TRYING to read what they're sayin

[heavy mountain]

sorry :3

im just bored

also i just added a final message, i deleted the messages in the conversation

no sh*t :D

gonna go outside now

[novel comet]

this guy

[heavy mountain]

THATS FROM LEGO MOVIE RIGHT

RIGHT

[idle hornet]

you are