#need feedback on this so i can sleep sweet dreams, new headphones so mixing advice appriciated

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midnight nacelle
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@warped sigil

warped sigil
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Seems a bit too distorted in some ways, while not having a lot of dynamics and punch. It feels like there are "gaps" and that it isn't "full". Sounds like you're going for a more old school hardstyle that's close to jumpstyle, but I'm not sure if that is your goal or if you want it to sound more like Zatox or more like Donkey Rollers.

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Hope that's not too harsh. If you can send over the stems, mainly the kick and vocals and everything else as a minimum of 3 stems, I can try some stuff out and then show you what I did and why.

midnight nacelle
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what im trying to make is called hardtekk, pretty unknown genre close to jumpstyle

midnight nacelle
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as for the stems i think i did it right when exporting them

midnight nacelle
warped sigil
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Are you starting with synths or samples or something else for the kicks? Usually that "distorted 909 kick which is also the bass" is the most important element. Then you've got the Virus-y "trance but mega aggressive" elements that need to be clear yet edgy.

midnight nacelle
warped sigil
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Yeah, how did you make the sounds in this song?

midnight nacelle
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I usually start with a sample or a melody

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And then ill make the kicks after that and the bass

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Im actually not that good at making that bass

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That follows the kick

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And i just use whichever kick i think sounds good

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I dont have a huge library of kicks but usually i find something decent

warped sigil
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Big fan of Dr Rude, Lowriderz, Bestien, stuff like that.

warped sigil
midnight nacelle
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I dont even know if they make their own

warped sigil
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Basically these hardstyle/jumpstyle/tekno kicks are just 909 samples distorted until they start to sound sort of like a cross between a punchy kick in the attack and a sustained 808 in the tail. Start with a basic kick, like a 909 sample or something else that's essentially just a sine wave with some modulation/automation on it. If you want a good 909 emulation, get the one from D16. But you can make these things yourself, and find more samples and synth presets than you need, because these simple 909 kicks are... well, really basic. Then distort until you get something with a massive tail, sort of like an 808. You're adding more overtones, fattening up the kick. You're starting with a sine wave, distorting it to make it more like a square wave, and thus making it more "rich" with new harmonic (and some inharmonic) partials. This is the core concept. From here, you can go in many more directions with your processing. A classic strategy is to split the audio file so that the initial attack is always the same, while the tail is repitched and processed with more distortion and compression and EQ separately, because the tail is essentially a bass sample now.

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Transient shaping is essential for this imo

midnight nacelle
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So

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If i understood correctly

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The kick and the bass are the same thing

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And u then separate them to pitch the bass yes?

midnight nacelle
warped sigil
warped sigil
# midnight nacelle Is this a plugin?

It's a concept. There are dedicated transient shaper plugins, but all you really need is just a compressor and maybe some gain automation envelopes.

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Transient shaping boils down to "emphasize the attack to make the kick punchier" vs "emphasize the sustained tail to make it fatter and more boomy like an 808 or a bassline".

midnight nacelle
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I see

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Ill reasearch it

warped sigil
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PAH PAH PAH PAH
vs
BUWOOM BUWOOM BUWOOM BUWOOM

midnight nacelle
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And u make this thing in a synth?

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Like vital?

warped sigil
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You can make this stuff in a synth or with a sample. Pro tip: a lot of the "how did they do that" sound design is accomplished through resampling, not just one synth or sampler.

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The attack could be a sample, and the tail could be from a synth.

midnight nacelle
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I see

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But how do u combine them then

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To sound like they fit

midnight nacelle
warped sigil
midnight nacelle
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Like glue ?

midnight nacelle
warped sigil
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Not hard to learn, but takes time to master. Just like chess or any artistic pursuit.

midnight nacelle
midnight nacelle
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Literally wrote this down

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Like 20 min ago

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Trying to get better at mixing u know

warped sigil
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Let me see if I can find you some of the stuff I learned from a ways back about hardstyle type kicks.

midnight nacelle
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ill try with waveshaper

warped sigil
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All kinds of distortion haha, that's the fun part.

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Look into the bias and tone and multiband controls for your distortion effect, if it has anything like that. Basically they're different labels for "separate distortion levels on the lows, mids, and highs".

midnight nacelle
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ok

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so now

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i have a kick that sounds rly distorted

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and i wanna make it more basey

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like an 808

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so i just split

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it

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and process them separately?

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and then i add them together add add compression to both to glue it together

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this is how i understood it

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holy shit

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sounding like something

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can i also automate EQ to make it bouncy, is that a thing?

midnight nacelle
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never done anything like this before tho

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i sampled the stock fl 909 kick but i think i could do a lot better if i used some samples and mixed them well

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do u think i could sample a kick and make a bass on vital and them mix them together, is that a viable way or should i keep trying to learn this way

warped sigil
midnight nacelle
midnight nacelle
warped sigil
midnight nacelle
warped sigil
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Converting video now, I made a 1h tutorial on how I did this from a 909 with basically just EQ, distortion/saturation, and compression.

midnight nacelle
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oooooooo

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ill watch that

midnight nacelle
warped sigil
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Hahaha well don't thank me before you see the video. I'm just waiting for it to transcode from the raw lossless capture to h264 so it will work as an embed.

midnight nacelle
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icic

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okay

warped sigil
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I'll ping you when it uploads, might be another 20 minutes because I ran low on battery

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I'm usually mobile

midnight nacelle
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ill do it tomorrow

warped sigil
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Sounds good

full abyss
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the new server thing wont leave me alone so im just posting this here sorry

warped sigil
fair surge
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peak

warped sigil
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I should have included a warning about how this clips in a bunch of places and I couldn't be bothered to fix it after the fact. I should have turned on the limiter first...

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You have no idea how long it took me to figure out how to make hardstyle kicks properly. It's a bit embarrassing tbh. Partially because it was one of the first things I tried to figure out when I got started working in a DAW making my own sounds, so I didn't even know how a basic compressor worked at all.

midnight nacelle
midnight nacelle
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esp if its the first thing u do

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im learning from the youtube links u sent first tho

quartz shadow
# midnight nacelle

as someone who listened his fair share of hardtekk, i think its not bad. but the genre this fits is more tekkno, which it would be a 10/10.
if you aim for hardtekk i'd suggest either an acer kick or schleini kick. would still be 10/10