Trying to make all MIDI channels (1-16) of one single plugin affected by the automation or singular parameter (CC#64), but it seems the only way I can think of to do this is to create a MIDI out or something for every single channel and link them all to the singular automation clip, but that's definitely not an ideal thing to do at all, especially since it's time consuming, so is there an easier/simple way that anyone knows of? thanks
tried asking on the subreddit over an hour ago but no solution yet and newer posts are getting more comments and upvotes so decided to post here
#How can I affect all MIDI channels (omni) of a singular plugin (not global)? with CC#64 for example
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What's the full setup you're going for? Like what plugins doing what and so on.
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Long story short you shouldn't have to do anything special if you're using note colors and you keep the automations going straight to the parameter.
Works with or without Patcher, and in 3rd party plugins.
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Long story short you shouldn't have to do anything special if you're using note ...
it only affects midi channel one
that's the problem
i need it to affect all midi channels for that plugin
and if i use something like MIDI Out I can choose a single different MIDI channel but it will still only be one channel and not all of them at once
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What's the full setup you're going for? Like what plugins doing what and so on.
it's for a guitar plugin called RealStrat, midi guitar mode
i need to be able to control the CC#64 parameter for all of the strings and i have difficulty figuring out how to possibly do that
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i need to be able to control the CC#64 parameter for all of the strings and i ha...
Does it let you move that parameter and then right click the link to controller button to make an automation clip directly?
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Does it let you move that parameter and then right click the link to controller ...
yes
the automation only affects channel 1
this is how it is for pretty much everything, like the fruity wrapper's pitch bend only affects channel one, so if you want to pitch bend 2-16 you have to use MIDI Out (as far as i'm aware)
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That is not the behavior I'm getting
It controls the parameter I mapped it to no matter which channel the note is playing from.
Maybe it's a quirk with that plugin you can get around with some settings tweaks?
I'd send a video but obs has been acting crazy for me lately.
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That is not the behavior I'm getting
this isn't the right type of plugin to test this with, the plugin itself is treating all the midi notes as "omni" so that's why it's working
basically changing midi channels doesn't do anything for that kind of plugin unless you set it to
but for plugins that actually distinguish between each midi channel, it won't work for any midi channel other than 1
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I'd send a video but obs has been acting crazy for me lately.
that's fine, thank you for your help so far
i just really wanna get this solved so my workflow isn't hindered
makes me have to pay extra attention to where the notes end instead of just not worrying about that
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I guess the move would be to set up a patcher with midi out and color mapper and wire up a control to every channel's cc#64 then.
At least you only have to do it once if that's your usual setup for that plugin.
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At least you only have to do it once if that's your usual setup for that plugin.
i may have to do it for other parameters in the future though, like pitch bend, so i was hoping to have a way to control them all so i don't have to do that extra manual work when the time comes and disrupt my workflow in this way 😮💨 but thanks, i suppose i can just do that then
i'll see if i can get it right
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You might prefer to separate your sessions into setting up and actually creating so you don't feel like you're being interrupted. Just set up the stuff you think you might use right away and improve it like once a week or something with whatever you feel is lacking.
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i make various types of music and i basically never know what i'm gonna end up with, so i tend not to have all that much "set up" so to speak, especially considering the amount of times i'd end up not using what i setup and making something completely outside of the scope of it, is quite high
but whenever i do end up having guitar in my track, i just really want it to... work... without me having to do prior stuff when i could be making music right away, ya know?
each delay deteriorates my ideas and makes them harder to remember
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This right here is set up. If you think you might need a guitar in the future and you want it to work as soon as you load it up you're going to have to set that up in advance before you start creating so it doesn't interrupt your workflow. Or buy a guitar I guess.
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oh no... welp, it looks like even with patcher it's not actually possible
all the midi outs just mimic each other
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Oh ffs
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if i change the channel on one then the other changes as well...
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I wonder if BRSO Articulate could do it.
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Oh cool even better.
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This right here is set up. If you think you might need a guitar in the future an...
i'm in the process of setting it up right now so i'll see if it works, thanks
and buying a guitar is out of the question right now even if i could afford it since i won't really be able to play it good enough to do what i compose (even if i practiced for a year)
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😭 darn 😮💨
also uh i don't see a color mapper plugin
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It was dirt cheap and it's still good for sfx so I can't complain.
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It was dirt cheap and it's still good for sfx so I can't complain.
that's gooddd at leastt
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😭 darn 😮💨
also uh i don't see a color mapper plugin
It's with the "vfx" plugins.
f8 and start typing and it'll come up
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yw
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only thing left is... well not quite sure how to set this up, since both MIDI Out and VFX Color Mapper can't connect to the output inside patcher
i also need the vst outside patcher for full functionality so if i have to bring it inside to be able to use this method it seems it might not work out too well....
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If you right click 'to fl studio' you can add outputs.
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ahh thank you
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it seems to not be working as intended but oh well i guess... i've been trying to fix this for almost half a day now 😮💨
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it seems to not be working as intended but oh well i guess... i've been trying t...
Have you tried adding BRSO articulate to things to see if that gets you closer to what you need? It's really good for the cc mappings across channels at least.
I'm basically just guessing at how this works based on other plugins I've used. lol
So hopefully it's still somehow helpful.
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i'll try it right now, looking up how to use it but it seemed that it was mainly for articulations and stuff
yeah it doesn't really have the ability to send the midi events to all channels unfortunately
it just allows you to control articulations via midi channels
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welp what i ended up having to do is just put it outside of patcher, 6 different MIDI Outs to 6 different channels... and that's 8 for the eight string guitar, andddd it's really difficult to make a template for all this because it would be so cluttered and confusing to have 6 midi outs per guitar when some tracks have 3 or 4 instances even