tech-support

[coral tusk]

is this normal also?

u sure ? and why

[hazy venture]

cpu bottlenecked

cpu isn't stronk enough

[hazy venture]

yes

[coral tusk]

true

[tall acorn]

should be adequate enough to run this game at max, no?

[nova abyss]

Wait after i upgrade the amd from defice manager the stuttering stop let me try reset and play arknight

[tall acorn]

isn't too intensive on the cpu

[hazy venture]

not 120!

[hazy venture]

it is

on my laptop cpu, i can't run more than like 105fps

which is better than his cpu btw

[tall acorn]

[broken swift]

12400 suck dude

[hazy venture]

yep!

4.4ghz 6 cores just isn't enough lol

[tall acorn]

not 120fps ig

[broken swift]

It bottleneck my 4060ti 16gb like crazy

[hazy venture]

and not enough cache

[broken swift]

And also vram issue

[hazy venture]

lol

[broken swift]

Endfield use more than 8gb

[nova abyss]

uh what ....

[hazy venture]

my 7600 bottlenecks my 3080ti

[hazy venture]

doesn't

maybe in 4k?

or barely in 1440p

[coral tusk]

what do u have now

[golden zenith]

you can take over if you want, im not stopping

[broken swift]

10gb at dlss M performance 2k

Wuling btw

[hazy venture]

dlss M?

hmm

[coral tusk]

im running on 1080p btw

[hazy venture]

even worse then

[broken swift]

Oh so no vram issue then

It's cpu issue

[hazy venture]

ye it's cpu..

[tall acorn]

barely goes over 10GB in my case, only in intensive areas

[golden zenith]

wait, what 5800H...

[coral tusk]

what cpu is good with 4060?

ti

[hazy venture]

maybe try undervolting and increasing boost clock

[coral tusk]

in same 12 gen

[broken swift]

14600k

Using it right now

[hazy venture]

yeah.. mine is barely above 6gb at 1.5k

[coral tusk]

is gen 14 on same board with gen 12 or no

[broken swift]

Yea

[tall acorn]

2.5k?

[hazy venture]

1.5k

[coral tusk]

so i dont need to change the motherboard right

[golden zenith]

is amd that dumb?

[broken swift]

Maybe because i use dldsr 1,78 to 1440 and M

[coral tusk]

wdym 1.5k?

[tall acorn]

isn't 2560 x 1440p technically more like 2.5k

[hazy venture]

between 1080p and 1440p lmao

[hazy venture]

i'm not on 1440p

[tall acorn]

[nova abyss]

should i instal just drive now? or minimal

[hazy venture]

2560x1080

[coral tusk]

oh isee resolution

[hazy venture]

😂

[hazy venture]

jesus fudge

who uses dldsr

that's why your vram usage is so high

[coral tusk]

how much is that compare to i512400f?

[tall acorn]

that's like 2.25k

[coral tusk]

used

[broken swift]

It's even better than native 2k tho

[hazy venture]

it's not tho?

[tall acorn]

idk

[hazy venture]

1080p is 2k now???

@tall acorn

[coral tusk]

ngl i thought that was it before

lmao

[golden zenith]

yea, used ddu to clean install. follow the guide and use minimal. AMD being dumb

[broken swift]

It's technically 2k since the beginning

[golden zenith]

bruh 5800H CLEARLY SUPPORT THIS

[nova abyss]

@tall acorn i should follow this or do other things

[broken swift]

But some dudes said 2k is 1440p and marketing said so too

[hazy venture]

uhh, not sure?

idk it's a bit weird when you search

[broken swift]

2160p is 4k

1080p is 2k

[hazy venture]

why even use 2k, just say 1080p or 1440p or 2160p

[broken swift]

Yea that's the best way

[hazy venture]

so.. 1440p is.. 3k?....

it's between both lol

[nova abyss]

i need help

[tall acorn]

start from scratch, following the tutorials

[nova abyss]

can i do amd first?

[tall acorn]

sure if you want

each takes about 5 minutes

[nova abyss]

? its 20 min each

[tall acorn]

for the downloading parts?

[nova abyss]

in total

[broken swift]

Disable the igpu

[nova abyss]

yeah i did just now

[hazy venture]

NOOOOO, HOW WILL FIREFOX RUNNN

[broken swift]

By dgpu

[hazy venture]

doesn't disable the igpu

[tall acorn]

not disabled, just only using the DGPU

[broken swift]

Disable it in device manager or bios

[hazy venture]

open device manager and deactivate igpu yourself, you'll need to do that each time tho lol

[nova abyss]

but not stutering and have hadware disconect and connect sound every 5 min

[hazy venture]

disable using device manager and see if it happens again

[tall acorn]

just

follow the tutorial step by step again

drivers are most definitely fucked up by this point

[nova abyss]

wait before i disable it gonna follow tutorial

[tall acorn]

also reinstalled all of the apps, which are kinda bloatware, outside of safe mode in the process

honestly have no idea what happened in the last few hours lol

[nova abyss]

nah i am fine with nvidia bloatware

i have some use for other game

[tall acorn]

the nvidia control panel has essentially everything you'd use, without the telemetry and background services and auto optimization interfering with your performance

[nova abyss]

didhnt want touch it now if i can

[nova abyss]

i already disable optimization in first place

[tall acorn]

don't know what other use you'd have for it at that point, but it's up to you if you want to keep the app

[nova abyss]

telemetry one feels like not worth it to reinstal the driver and relive the trauma

[tall acorn]

unfortunately it can still interfere apparently, even if you disable auto optimizations

you don't have to install every driver update

[nova abyss]

nah its mostlikely amd one

[tall acorn]

there's people on builds from a year ago who have better stability than those who are installing new updates every week, just to find out the latest drivers have issues and cause insane stuttering

[nova abyss]

wait can you give me the amd tutoriallink one again ? it got buried deep

[tall acorn]

^

[patent shoal]

u cant say that

u need to include the complete size

horizontal and vertical

since the 2K and 4K is came from the horizontal size

thats why 4096 x 2160 called 4K

[nova abyss]

wait how do i check my amd version again?

[patent shoal]

and 2048 X 1080 called 2K

[tall acorn]

closest to 1.875k, isn't considered 2k - was talking about the resolution they mentioned above, which is 2560x1080

basically just ultrawide

[patent shoal]

now, lets add to the context that resolution I sent is DCI

[proven sundial]

Can we pleas run the compatibility tool this guy has been going back and forth too much @nova abyss https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/PA-300.html

[patent shoal]

its different than "monitor" resolution

[hazy venture]

ultrawide is 2560x1080 :(

also, 2048x1080 IS 2k

[patent shoal]

yeah

Consumer 2K and True 2K is different

[tall acorn]

spent decades messing up the numbers and terminology

[patent shoal]

its still counted as 2K, since the horizontal is atleast 2K, but if we want to be specific then its 2.5K

the K came from the horizontal pixel count

not vertical

[hazy venture]

then that's.. 2.25k or something yeah

[patent shoal]

idk why consumer called 1440 is 2K

[hazy venture]

no tho

2560x1080 is 2.56k

by logic

[patent shoal]

ah we want to be specific

[hazy venture]

or close

[patent shoal]

yeah its 2.56K

[hazy venture]

idk

well, 2048x1080 is in reality 2.048k lol

[patent shoal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K_resolution

just need to remember that the K is for horizontal pixel count

not the total pixels

[patent shoal]

yeah

but its called 2K for simplicity

its called 2K when the horizontal pixel count is "atleast" 2000

[hazy venture]

ye

ig

so 1440p is 2.56k too

[nova abyss]

sry need some help finding my igpu version Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 5800H with Radeon Graphics

[hazy venture]

and 2160p is.. uh.. 3.16K

[patent shoal]

"However, the term 2K itself is generic, was not coined by DCI, and does not refer specifically to the DCI 2K standard. Usage of the term 2K predates the publication of the DCI standard."

"The resolution 1920 × 1080 has also been referred to as a 2K resolution by other standards organizations like NHK Science & Technology Research Laboratories and ITU Radiocommunication Sector (which were involved in the standardization of 1080p HDTV and 4K UHDTV)"

so yeah

[hazy venture]

the exact igpu model?

[nova abyss]

yeah

[patent shoal]

"In consumer products, 2560 × 1440 (1440p) is sometimes referred to as 2K,[13] but it and similar formats are more traditionally categorized as 2.5K resolutions."

[hazy venture]

it's vega 8

@nova abyss

[nova abyss]

uh.... not found the driver

[tall acorn]

honestly got lost in the numbers, but the "K" doesn't mean anything aside from approximate horizontal pixel count

[hazy venture]

it's supposed to be vega 8...

[tall acorn]

2560x1080 is considered 2.5k as well as 2560x1440, although ironically 3840 is considered 4k and 1920 isn't considered 2k

[patent shoal]

@tall acorn its because this

https://xkcd.com/927/

xkcd: Standards

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

[tall acorn]

yup

[patent shoal]

[nova abyss]

there nothing

[hazy venture]

wait, i think there are maybe different vega 8, 64 cores or something

[patent shoal]

even u can call 2560 x 640 a 2K resolution

[nova abyss]

i need igpu driver

[tall acorn]

[patent shoal]

idk why that 3840 is considered 4K, its cursed

because I understand pixel count first before the xK terminology

[sudden sinew]

I'm home

[tall acorn]

"Yeah i'm playing in 4K right now"

the screen resolution:

[proven sundial]

Hope you are well

[patent shoal]

but for people that understand the 2K and 4K terminology, they saw that as correct one while the "actual" approximate of 4000 horizontal pixel is more than 4K

bruh

[sudden sinew]

tiring

[golden zenith]

#tech-support message
follow this

[patent shoal]

WTF, did u just literally set a custom resolution

[golden zenith]

||also when did amd have this||

[proven sundial]

Makes sense get yourself a nice soothing drink

[nova abyss]

Ok

[hazy venture]

just install amd adrenaline and it will auto install the driver

[sudden sinew]

no ingreds

[tall acorn]

honestly it's all off unless you're going by DCI standards

[patent shoal]

"However, the term 2K itself is generic, was not coined by DCI, and does not refer specifically to the DCI 2K standard."

the DCI doesnt make the 2000 horizontal pixel tho

they make the 2048 x 1080 standard for 2K native

[tall acorn]

mostly everything else is just industry and consumer approximation, along with some misrepresentation and faults

[nova abyss]

Will try, i just want to stop amd from auto disconnect when i do optimus

[patent shoal]

yeah

I hate competing standards

anyway the actual meaning of 2K

https://books.google.co.id/books?id=qMYR00OxN8EC&pg=PA125&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

so its based on 35mm negative scans

[proven sundial]

Guys the only reason why we call 1080 p 2k is because of tv standards

[sudden sinew]

agree it's cursed

[patent shoal]

yeah

[patent shoal]

this

the one that involded in HDTV and UHDTV

[tall acorn]

imo 2000 and 4000 pixels should be considered 2K and 4K, as that's quite literally what it is

[proven sundial]

Let's just say 1080p
1440p and 4k keeps it simple

[tall acorn]

everything else was introduced at separate times to fit different standards at the time they were introduced, for different reasons

[tall acorn]

whole naming scheme is cooked now because we're at the point where too many companies have done that

and now nothing actually makes sense anymore

[tall acorn]

"technically considered" doesn't mean anything tbh if it isn't literally 4 thousand

[hazy venture]

fuck off game-

[patent shoal]

bro got cliffhanged

[sudden sinew]

imagine the game uno reverse cards you

[nova abyss]

done it came back to radeon software ver instead of adrenalin @golden zenith btw @tall acorn what driver should download then ?i cant find it

[sudden sinew]

which ver did you install

[tall acorn]

for AMD?

[nova abyss]

yeah

[tall acorn]

what's your specs again?

[golden zenith]

Did you download what Xomori said?

R 5800H + Nvidia 3050 ti

[nova abyss]

i just do this #tech-support message to fix the compability

[tall acorn]

windows 11 or 10?

[golden zenith]

let me double check

[hazy venture]

huh?

[golden zenith]

win 10

[patent shoal]

yeah

[nova abyss]

10

[patent shoal]

the 880 guaranteed one is only 4 times

3 first mail

[hazy venture]

does it just give 880 orob?

that's all?

[patent shoal]

and one at 21 iirc

yeah

[hazy venture]

so do i activate it

[tall acorn]

https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/whql-amd-software-adrenalin-edition-26.1.1-win11-jan-vega-polaris.exe

[hazy venture]

maybe it changes every day?

[patent shoal]

and the other is like an actual scratch card i think (not guarantee)

[patent shoal]

just open it

[hazy venture]

ok

[patent shoal]

it shouldnt change

[hazy venture]

weird-ass game

[nova abyss]

its the same drive that not compatible

[sudden sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-stickman-casino-gamble-gif-7118676210396292522

[nova abyss]

after compability #tech-support message it changed to amd radeon software without adrenaline

[patent shoal]

@hazy venture

[hazy venture]

ok weird

[proven sundial]

So the compatibility tool tells you to run different drivers

[nova abyss]

yeep

and the one that i install keep teling me that its not compatible

[proven sundial]

What exactly did the compatibility tool do ?

Or show rather

[nova abyss]

"wait while we instal cmpatible software..... something" i dont have the sc anymore

[tall acorn]

@nova abyss what's your exact laptop model?

[proven sundial]

Ah so it installed custom radeon drivers ?

[hazy venture]

lol

[sudden sinew]

why vega at first

[proven sundial]

Vega 8 has issues ...

[tall acorn]

@nova abyss

[proven sundial]

Kind of known

[nova abyss]

here from my lenovo acc

[sudden sinew]

keep it CEA

[golden zenith]

this is his system spec btw... unless somehow it spoof
#tech-support message

[sudden sinew]

ah

[nova abyss]

what

here the grapic one

[sudden sinew]

3050 ti

[tall acorn]

@nova abyss https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/legion-series/downloads/automatic-driver-update

[sudden sinew]

real

[tall acorn]

go there in normal mode and scan for updates

[hazy venture]

real

[tall acorn]

assuming you haven't already

[sudden sinew]

[nova abyss]

but my amd fails me

[tall acorn]

[nova abyss]

its the first thing i did before i ask here

[sudden sinew]

your amd is almost 5 yo lmao

[nova abyss]

yes

didnt need reminder

[sudden sinew]

try on your rtx

[tall acorn]

just keep your normal drivers in that case, which is what i was originally recommending tbh

only reinstall your nvidia ones

[nova abyss]

i am to scared to do it again tbh

should i reinstal realy ?

[tall acorn]

sure, you still have the Nvcleaninstall download right?

[nova abyss]

yes

[tall acorn]

with the correct settings?

[nova abyss]

correct?

[tall acorn]

^ did you tick these settings

[tall acorn]

also this

[nova abyss]

this not too? last time i am not check it the driver keep in low power mode

[tall acorn]

click that too ig

[inner flower]

Can using mods with this game get you banned

[nova abyss]

how about the one that give optimus or discrete option ??last time that fitures gone and i only got 2gb to works with

[tall acorn]

they're technically against TOS, so yes, it is bannable if you discuss modding here

in-game it's unlikely you will get banned, unless you show your UID

although i wouldn't advise you mod the game regardless

[nova abyss]

i dont want to touch nvidia tbh it working normaly before

[inner flower]

k thx

[tall acorn]

probably want to update the guide to include the USB-C option for 20 series, and platform controllers for laptops tbh

can't really do that atm with the new automod filters

[nova abyss]

can i do this tomorrow ?... will try if i can play endfield with nvidia only its already midnight for me

[tall acorn]

of course

[nova abyss]

well maybe tomorow or 2 days later i will ask for your help again if the problem keep persisting have RL stuff and other game(nikke )to do

[tall acorn]

yeah that's fine

[nova abyss]

the main problem is if enfield fixed but i cant open nikke

..,shiet i need to redownload all shader huh

i can play it but also 120 vs 60 fps

[proven sundial]

I think the custom amd driver did it's job then

[sudden sinew]

[sudden sinew]

[nova abyss]

The definition of going in circles huh

[sudden sinew]

endless loop

[hazy venture]

lol

yeah, that 5800H is NOT running the game at 120fps

[grim charm]

Hello! No worries for pinging me

First, I must ask, what is an Intel 0000?

Second, WINEDEBUG="" PROTON_LOG=1 %command%

Put this in your launch options. Every time you run the game, it'll generate a log file in your home folder

Next time it starts stuttering like that, send me the log file.

You don't have to remove the other stuff from your launch options

[sly terrace]

intel 0000 because I use MOTD, mobile on the desktop
and for launch options, can I try tomorrow? it is late midnight here and I very sleepy. sorry

[grim charm]

Sure no worries. We have very opposite timezones, as it's noon for me lol.

Just ping me when you have it ;3

[sly terrace]

okay, thank you

[sly terrace]

for motd, it's just laptop CPU soldered to motherboard. like Intel experimental cpu

[proven sundial]

It was all so simple i should have just looked at it sooner but i was busy

[hazy venture]

lol

[sudden sinew]

[proven sundial]

Ah well atleast it is solved

[hazy venture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1444083450964476011/ezgif.com-gif-maker_3-1.gif

nice

[sudden sinew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1444083450964476011/ezgif.com-gif-maker_3-1.gif

[vital lance]

Anyone else having issues with the game recompiling shaders every start using Vulkan?

[sudden sinew]

@broken swift 16 GB VRAM:

[sudden sinew]

there are people, but there are some getting solved too

may I ask which specs does your PC have?

[sudden sinew]

"dedicated" is VRAM
shared is RAM

[vital lance]

Ryzen 7 5800, RTX 3080ti 12GB, 64GB ddr4 3600, Windows 10, Geforce 591.86, game installed in a 3rd Gen NVME.

[sudden sinew]

technically you can solve by setting the game to dlaa

and try to remove frame generation, you don't need it actually for the 3080ti

your GPU can run on 120FPS at max btw

[strange thorn]

I’m stuck with a 4GB 1650ti

[vital lance]

Sorry, I think there's a misunderstanding. My issue the shader cache being rebuild every game start. Is not performance.

[sudden sinew]

ah wait, apologies

then do close the game and reboot your PC

then go to C:\Users{your current pc username}\AppData\LocalLow\ and delete Hyprgryph

might require you to login again but you do delete the shader compile cache

wait I need to find the vulkan cache

wait I might need to use zencrox's method

use ddu and clean cache only with it too

my head needs a "cache clean" button too

[vital lance]

Thanks, I'm going to try it.

[sudden sinew]

ok gl

[sudden sinew]

and this is also how I can set my VRAM more actually

(tbh if I got 128GB RAM it'd be ideal w/ 48 GB VRAM)

[sly terrace]

sorry, i can't sleep lol
should i sent the file here?

wait, 37.1Mb

[grim charm]

You can dm it to me or send it here

Also 37.1mb? It should just be a .log file with a bunch of text

[sly terrace]

idk why that larrge

[sudden sinew]

what did it log

[sly terrace]

idk lol

[sudden sinew]

maybe int-breaking array or characters

[sly terrace]

here

@grim charm 39MB

[grim charm]

I'll take a look

Oh that's a lotta text

[sly terrace]

yeah, 400k of lines

[grim charm]

I might need to hop on my desktop

My text editor shows errors in red so it's easier to find

Xdd

[sly terrace]

should i sent too bug repot from cachyos?

[grim charm]

hmm

shouldnt be necessary

most of these lines are the exact same

When the stuttering starts, is it constant?

or like

just one lag spike every so many minutes

[sly terrace]

not stutter, the pc freeze
I have to force shutdown

its 10-20 minute in game

[grim charm]

the whole system freezes up entirely? huh..

okay that cachyos report might be useful

[sly terrace]

here it is

lot of red lines

[grim charm]

Alright, forwarded this information to dwproton devs who are much smarter than me

This is the first time any of us have seen full system lockups caused by this

[sly terrace]

ok thank you

[grim charm]

can you send me the output offf

[sly terrace]

what output?

oh fyi, this not only in cachyos. i try in bazzite and linuxmint, still happen

[grim charm]

journalctl -b-1 > ~/lastboot.txt

itll make a lastboot.txt in your home folder

send that

this will send a full system log of your previous boot

assuming you havent rebooted again since then

[sly terrace]

okay, this one

[grim charm]

ty

Have you ever had anything like this happen in other games

[sly terrace]

yeah, in helldivers 2
i change the proton too

[grim charm]

see what im wondering is if this mobile processor on desktop thing is the issue

[compact epoch]

Hi, i have a question, how much time it takes to "disconnect for inactivity?"

[grim charm]

Its an extremely unique config and this is an extremely unique issue

[sly terrace]

ok i will try list what i try
distro that i try :

1. cachyos
2. bazzite
3. linuxmint

nvidia driver that i try

1. 590.48.01
2. 580.126.09
3. 570.211.01

[grim charm]

This doesnt look like an nvidia issue

[sly terrace]

probably

for crackling noise when play, i try change in /etc/pipewire/pipewire-pulse.conf, uncomment and change to pulse.min.quantum = 512/48000
it reduce but sometime still crackling

previously, when i hear crackling sound, that's a sign that it will freeze in 1-5 minute

[grim charm]

[drowsy cipher]

[tall acorn]

crackling noise?

update all of your drivers

[drowsy cipher]

a little bit of crackling never hurt anyone

[rancid loom]

except if it's your knees doing it

sup chat

[drowsy cipher]

do not invoke the knees

[rancid loom]

well I'm suffering from gout so there's that

[jaunty kindle]

that started happening today

edit: apparently its only in dx 11 mode

[dim hazel]

To this day, I never had a memory leak in the game

until they decided it was a great idea to add another inside the game webpage that crashes constantly for the chinese new year gift card bs that could had been on their site

love you PlatformProcess.exe

[rancid loom]

[pliant agate]

They aren't even saying anything about this issue too

[dim hazel]

they will not say or do a thing either

chinese new year, so they where all sent to their homes

forcefully

so any issues from last to 2 more weeks, will not get resolved

best they can do is leave some maintenance patchs to be automated

[rich anvil]

How do people stitch their Images together so well? I just do it in Paint.NET- Is there a better alternative to do this? I mostly just want to get rid of those seams

[steel swift]

I read Nobara also good

[wintry flame]

Hello guys! Every time I open the game, my graphic settings becomes forced DLAA. Even if I changed it on Quality DLSS. Is there a way to fix this?

[broken swift]

you can force change it in nvidia app

that's the easiest way for now

(it might still show dlaa after this but it's definitely using the nvidia app setting)

[wintry flame]

Tried to but it can't be changed for some reason. I could however change via Global settings but it will affect my other games. Is this a known recent issue?

[broken swift]

It's here

[wintry flame]

Oh that one! Thank you!!

[broken swift]

you're welcome

[broken swift]

oh and btw

turn off that optimize in nvidia app

i think that's the culprit for this issue

[wintry flame]

Ohhhhh it makes sense. Coz I tried changing it and still goes back. Let me turn that off and test again

[steel swift]

Yeah that optimize does nothing

[broken swift]

turn off dlss resolution overide too, cause now you found the reason

so no need for overiding

[wintry flame]

oh wow

it worked!

Thank you!

[broken swift]

and btw you should also use Overide model to M

it's a lot better than default

and use performance dlss with that

trust me, it's good

[wintry flame]

I wanted to know the difference of L and M. They said L has good peformance but on 4k, but I only have 1440p so idk. But yeah let me try M

[broken swift]

L is for ultra performance 4k. M is for performance 1440p

but your screen is ultrawide 1440p (3440x1440 not 2560x1440)

[steel swift]

I don't have those option

Why does SSD price is like very close to the higher capacity
Like the price diff between 500gb and 1tb ssd is just few bucks

[broken swift]

how much does 1tb cost?

[steel swift]

60usd

somewhere around that

[broken swift]

damn, that's so cheap. How?

[broken swift]

it's 180$ for a 1tb pcie4 acer predator here

[steel swift]

Discount

[broken swift]

i wish i had that kind of discounts

[steel swift]

Probably your place has those beeg ass import tax

[waxen breach]

180$ is huge ... for 1tb ?

💀

saw the prices now, they climbed up very hardcore

i think i payed 220-250€ back then for the same SSD but with 4TB like a year ago

And why is the 990 Pro cheaper then the 990 Evo Plus ?

[steel swift]

Need to go to CN/TW for good prices

[waxen breach]

yea because they produce it

but why is the Evo 990 Plus more expensive then the Pro, this is strange

[steel swift]

Supply/Demand

[echo sable]

is the game softlocking at the craft a buckflower during the "Break the siege" normal?

[waxen breach]

have you a screenshot of the scene ? and softlocks are never normal

[echo sable]

sorry meant is this a common issue that people have found a fix for

and yeah took a little video and emailed it in

[steel swift]

Is that a main story? if it's then it's a bug

[echo sable]

yeah very first mission in the hub

me moving the mouse around is spam clicking, also was pressing every key

[steel swift]

Oh yeah some ppl got that bug

[echo sable]

was there a fix for it or wait for support?

[nimble matrix]

Any way to fix this instant disconnect when i minimise the app in android? Its making opening discord or website while playing totally a hindrance since i will always need to relogin after

[echo sable]

Also in case, I did do a full reinstall of the game etc anything I could think of

[obsidian bane]

I'm having trouble using DirectX 12 with the latest AMD driver. My graphics card is an RX 7600. The game freezes, and the PC also freezes for a few seconds, so I have to close the game in the task manager.

The game only runs with DirectX 11.

[steel swift]

I've checked message history for the same issue, and nope, seems like you can only wait for cs reply
You can try repair first before you reinstall (if you want to try reinstall)

[broken swift]

Damn, your price situation is even worse than me 💀

[broken swift]

Try using earlier driver version like 25.x.x

[steel swift]

Are you allowing endfield to run on the background from your settings?

[echo sable]

yeah I did that, tried every combo of repair and reinstall I could think of including deleting a few files to deleting all files and reinstalling

[steel swift]

Coz android will close your app for battery management, unless you allow them to run on the background

[echo sable]

did they mention how cs fixed the problem?

out of curiosity

[steel swift]

#tech-support message
You can ask him for that

[sweet hearth]

why is my game doing this all of a sudden

[sly terrace]

up to date

[cursive iron]

Y'all I'm seeing a 3070 for cheaper than a 4060

Should I comp that?

Currently using a 2060

[slate knot]

Who is this good for?

[tall acorn]

depends on the price

[cursive iron]

It's like 50$ cheaper

[tall acorn]

it's a solid card

how much is it total?

new or used?

[broken swift]

go for the 3070 but i recommend 3080/3080ti (300-400$) at least cause those have 10/12gb

[cursive iron]

New

[cursive iron]

Not in USD

But if converted to would be something around 300 and 350

[broken swift]

getting a used 3080ti for the same price is a better deal imo

[cursive iron]

Used stuff over here is risky af

Lot of crypto

[broken swift]

how much does 5060 or b580 new cost ?

[broken swift]

oh, then avoid those

[steel swift]

I saw a laptop with 4060 with a damn cheap price

[broken swift]

i found a 5060 with 13900hx laptop for 850$

iirc it's thunderRobot

[cursive iron]

Laptop chip ain't worth it

[steel swift]

wdym

[broken swift]

do you find any of these guys?

[steel swift]

Still pretty pricy

[sweet hearth]

in a world were ram costs 1k thats cheap 😭✌️

[steel swift]

1k

what ram cost 1k

[sweet hearth]

opened the first site ts is what i see

they between 500 to this

[cursive iron]

No

[cursive iron]

I got 64gb of ddr4

I'm chilling

[broken swift]

it's 1,1k here 💀

[cursive iron]

[broken swift]

hmmm, what about the 9060xt 16gb?

[sweet hearth]

all so i can generate freddy fazbear fighting donald trump 🥹 ✌️ so worth it

[tall acorn]

ram sitting in my system right now ballooned to over $1k USD after the shortage lol

[cursive iron]

Like 450

[broken swift]

that's a good deal tbh

[sweet hearth]

like a 32 gig of ddr5 kit costs like 500 but 64 is like 1k

[cursive iron]

Yeah but don't got 450 twin

[tall acorn]

how much are you looking to spend total on a new system/GPU?

[broken swift]

8gb vram ain't worth in 2025+

[cursive iron]

The 3070 is like 300

[sweet hearth]

i bought my pc right before ram prices started going coo coo

[cursive iron]

And the 4060 is like 350

[broken swift]

sell 32 gb ram

use 32gb

[cursive iron]

I got 2 stick of 32 twin

Smh

[broken swift]

oh 💀

[tall acorn]

yeah i'd sell my ram when prices are only going to keep rising until 2028 at the earliest

[broken swift]

sell those all and buy 2x16gb kit with 9060xt

[sweet hearth]

and the thing is it probably wont go up cuz ai companies make most of the ram sales rather than the day to day consumer so

we cooked

[cursive iron]

I need my ram twin

[sweet hearth]

dont x react me im right

[tall acorn]

prices cannot go down, so the only place for them to go is even further up

[steel swift]

This one 800usd overthere

[sweet hearth]

i meant it probably wont go down typo

[tall acorn]

if you think it's going to sit at a stagnant price for the next 2 years, well..

[sweet hearth]

its 12 am 😫

[austere nest]

Hi can anyone help me

I link wrong email

[steel swift]

We need to got ot China for cheaper Ram

Time to learn some Mandarin

[austere nest]

Now my both email in same account

One my account can’t log in lost

[tall acorn]

#contact-us, sorry, forgot to ping you here in regards to your #discord-feedback message you sent earlier

[sweet hearth]

with sales tax it goes to 860 and 880 in some states ts basically 1k ✌️

not to mention we have 13% sales tax in ontario 😂

[austere nest]

Who can help me recover my account

[tall acorn]

@limber prawn using headers (#) triggers the automod now

[sweet hearth]

so that 1.3k is like 1.5k for me

[tall acorn]

go to #contact-us

[limber prawn]

what is the point of it

[steel swift]

Yall Americans are cooked

[tall acorn]

because discord users will be discord users

[sweet hearth]

im canadian </3

[tall acorn]

i'm honestly surprised it took 3 weeks for #endfield chat to discover how to use discord headers

and other formatting

[limber prawn]

[sweet hearth]

anyway someone help me with this

im feeling like david my game is using sandevistan

[limber prawn]

now i cant edit my old stuff

[tall acorn]

should've been in the automod before then too tbh

[sweet hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/david-martinez-gif-4551090972499808897

[limber prawn]

nice one mod

[steel swift]

Canadians are Americans

[tall acorn]

but only for the active channels where flood is an actual issue

[sweet hearth]

yeah but usa residents are called americans and i dont wanna be associated with those "people"

[toxic atlas]

Gotta specify the continent or both USA & Canada get offended

[steel swift]

Maybe it's a good thing I'm staying in Asia

[sweet hearth]

i get visa free travel to china so thats pretty cool

[steel swift]

Time to go to China, visit Gryphline's office to solve this bug

[broken swift]

what's the original item lol?

[sweet hearth]

ik its not my pc i have a good computer

[sweet hearth]

stamina bar

[broken swift]

damn, you got the new sandevishtan stamina update

[sweet hearth]

lf game update </3

ive done everythinggg

[toxic atlas]

You got DLSS enabled?

[sweet hearth]

where do i even check that

[steel swift]

It's gpu thingy

[toxic atlas]

In game settings

[steel swift]

You have good pc, how you dont know that

[tall acorn]

what are your specs? @sweet hearth

[tall acorn]

people buy hardware and just expect it to run good

which is one of the reasons why everything these days is so damn expensive

[dense egret]

@merry palm oh shoot uhhh address your endfield issues here

[toxic atlas]

Possibly console player gone PC got a pre built with only a "good performance in games" label

[sweet hearth]

rtx 5060 intel core ultra 9 275HX 32 gigs of ram

[merry palm]

hu

[tall acorn]

desktop or laptop?

[tall acorn]

?

[sweet hearth]

laptop i got college

[dense egret]

it doesn't launch right

[sweet hearth]

even then ,y gpu is like a 4070 in desktop terms

[tall acorn]

[sweet hearth]

with frame gen

[toxic atlas]

Still Nvidia
Check game settings, smearing could be because of DLSS

[tall acorn]

[sweet hearth]

it wasnt doing it up until now

andddd my drivers out dated

😂

[sweet hearth]

ok so maybe i shouldve updated my drivers

[steel swift]

You're cooked

[sweet hearth]

im a month late 😔

[tall acorn]

switch the DLSS model override preset to K in graphics -> global settings

[tall acorn]

you don't need to update your drivers really, people on drivers from over a year ago have better stability than those who update every other week

[merry palm]

it does launch but google exits it

[tall acorn]

but if you're going to, i'd recommend using DDU to uninstall the nvidia app

personally

[sweet hearth]

id rather not bottle neck my gpu </3

[tall acorn]

[sweet hearth]

u kinda gotta update it its noticable

i updated my drivers and gained like 20 extra frames in vr

cuz it was outdated

by like 4 months

[steel swift]

tldr: he's cooked, unless you can convince the devs to lower their playstore requirements

#contact-us #1461653979862925498 if you want to do something

[austere nest]

Darn really sad my account can not log in anymore alle the item and character lost

[steel swift]

Have you contact supports?

If so then F

[merry palm]

.

cooked

[austere nest]

Now both my account can’t log in

Is this big

Bug

So sad

Can’t play anymore

Endfield got issue with email

[low dune]

i just downloaded the game and itsd lowkenuinely stuck on this screen

[broken swift]

Swap to dx11 and return to vulkan

[low dune]

vulkan?

[broken swift]

The game use vulkan by default

Check the dx11 box

Run, close

Uncheck that

[low dune]

uhhh how i do that again?

[broken swift]

The check box is below the launch button

[low dune]

its not checked

[broken swift]

Then check it

Run

Close

Uncheck

Run

[low dune]

so i close the game after i run it?

yeah its lowkenuinely doin the same thing

stuck on releasing rescources at 0.00%

[tall acorn]

- Check the "Launch with DX11" button below the play button -> Launch the game and close it -> Uncheck the "Launch with DX11" button -> Relaunch the game @low dune

[low dune]

i tried ts like 5 times

should i try to reinstall?

[golden zenith]

try this solution, if nothing else works
#tech-support message

[austere nest]

The tech support please help me

Both of my account seem to been hack

Keep send notification to my email

To change account

[low dune]

ts did not work bt dubs

[golden zenith]

give me some time

[golden zenith]

have you tried running the game as admin?

[low dune]

actually lemme try that

[toxic atlas]

That could also be a network issue, not just windows permission shenanigans
You could try a VPN for a bit, see if it fixes it (ProtonVPN is known-to-work, if you never really use VPNs and need a recommendation)

Game really needs to make it more clear, what is failing instead of just stalling or some random error code

[golden zenith]

yea....

it a headache trying to guess

[low dune]

all it does is run the launcher as admin and the actual game stays the smae :/

[golden zenith]

^try what max said @low dune

[low dune]

its dfinitely a network thing i think

we use deco 7

so alot of things on my pc are blocked

thats sus[pected to be malware

or somh like that

its also kinda glitchy

so ill talk to my dad about it tmr and see if anything changes

[waxen breach]

yea was very lucky i think i payed for the 1tb back then (from my old computer) 70€ the 4tb was around 220 or so not sure

the other nvme is from Crucial also from my old system as well and it is just 500gb for windows

[proven sundial]

Crucial what a dirty company

Abandoning consumers for greed

[broken swift]

Damn that's an extremely nice deal

[golden zenith]

[waxen breach]

isnt nvidia doing the same ? so why people still throw ther money at ngreedia ?

[proven sundial]

Yup same thing

[broken swift]

They are in my blacklist now

[waxen breach]

i had a 2tb 970 Evo but sold it with my old PC

i mean crucual was nice back then for price to performance but yea ... it is what it is

[proven sundial]

I'll just go with good old reliable sandisk

[waxen breach]

switched to Samsung because Samsung Nvme's had a way longer live counter but even my older Sata SSD's did not died

on my old PC

[waxen breach]

yea my First Sata SSD was a Sandisk i remember when i payed 250€ for 256 gb

[broken swift]

My Kingston and wd drives last forever

[proven sundial]

Well sandisk is owned by wd now

[broken swift]

Their sd card are very good

[waxen breach]

i think SSD's have a damn long life time

but HDD's have like 10x less

[broken swift]

Wait isn't it in reverse?

[waxen breach]

nope HDD's have a way shorter life time

because they have moving components

[proven sundial]

Ssd lifespan is crazy long now

[waxen breach]

and samsung has the highest write and read life span

[proven sundial]

Just never buy qlc drives

[waxen breach]

TLC i do

3d nand + TLC = gold

[proven sundial]

Exactly

Some dram less drives have been interesting though

Since they can sustain longer loads

[broken swift]

Let's pray for AI bubble to burst soon

Now i have to survive with 500g nvme, 240g ssd and 1,5tb hdd (7200rpm)

[round vale]

Is Endfield US server under DDoS attack right now? Cause like

[waxen breach]

when you copy the games between the 1.5 TB hdd and the SSD/Nvme then it is good

[broken swift]

Yea that's what i've been doing. And i also play 1 game till the end and delete it

[broken swift]

Try using cloudflare warp

[waxen breach]

i have like 100 games installed started to play today FF7 Rebirth and my last save file was 1 year old

have to finish the game someday

[golden zenith]

what was the last thing you did....

how every game i played

[broken swift]

200gb ff16, played until 75% > don't like the story > delete> realized that i wasted 40h and 200gb

[waxen breach]

i think i was very faar in to the game and had to do the cactus things with yuffi

[broken swift]

My list scare me now

[golden zenith]

[golden zenith]

my backlog as well

[waxen breach]

games nowdays are damn big if you ask me

[broken swift]

Still not as heavy as 1 cod game

[broken swift]

I feel you bro

And another ~1k retro games for emulation

[golden zenith]

do we have the same backlog

i think mine a bit less

[broken swift]

💀

That's only 1 folder...

[golden zenith]

nowadays game started to bore me a bit... i started playing ctf in bandit learning now

[flint obsidian]

Guys the game keeps closing on the loading screen.. can anyone tell me why this might happen..

[waxen breach]

no error message ?

[flint obsidian]

No.. it just.. closes and opens the launcher

[broken swift]

Gaming through the codes

[flint obsidian]

Rtx 4060, 32GB ddr5 ram, 1TB ssd, i5-13400 which is probably not the issue

[broken swift]

Try a full uninstallation of both launcher and game

[flint obsidian]

So I'm probably not lacking in hardware requirements

[flint obsidian]

...sigh 😭 alright sir

[broken swift]

Hold on

Did the launcher crash too?

[golden zenith]

yes, it fun to ssh

[broken swift]

Try repair first if that doesn't work reinstall it is

[round vale]

Lmao, tried Warp and it didn't even let me log into the game. Deleted it and now i'm back

[golden zenith]

i was about to say what other repair method they did

[broken swift]

Yea i forgot the repair for a moment there lol

[golden zenith]

alright, if you still having issue let us know, meantime enjoy the game

[flint obsidian]

Check for file integrity right?

I did that twice and it didn't help

[golden zenith]

i was stuck at a certain stage.... where im a ID10T & realize the server start at root

[rancid loom]

lmao

[low dune]

IT WASNT I JUST NEEDED TO REINSTALL

broo im so dumbb

[golden zenith]

huh... weird

[rancid loom]

so it's kinda like the "releasing resources" problem

[golden zenith]

well, at least you can play... do let us know if you ever need tech support

[low dune]

i will fs

[rancid loom]

Fosho

weird... my Nacon controller isn't being a wacko

[golden zenith]

at this point, i probably need a Xomori Textbook for his solution

[rancid loom]

same

[golden zenith]

he probably has like 20TB+ of solution in his storage

[livid wing]

cult is forming

[rancid loom]

what?

btw if you exceed Protocol Pass Lvl60, if you max out, it gives you 10 Oroberyl and some Protohedrons everytime you level up the bar

[golden zenith]

All hail Xomori

[golden zenith]

i thought they gave random reward... need to double check that later

[rancid loom]

random reward ON the level 60 box. beyond that if you still level it up, it gives you the 10 oroberyls

[golden zenith]

ahhh, okay

[glossy pulsar]

i can't go to the event, can anyone help?

[rancid loom]

Web engine problem I guess

[glossy pulsar]

fuck, so what do i do

[golden zenith]

do you have other devices?

[glossy pulsar]

i do..

[golden zenith]

try using that first, if still cannot might be network issue

[rancid loom]

try doing the event there

[glossy pulsar]

mm ayt thx

[rancid loom]

on the other device

[rancid loom]

looks more like a web engine issue if it happens to other functions in the game where QtWebengine runs

[golden zenith]

yea, most likely scenario... but also could be network issue, either isp blocking it or something

[rancid loom]

fair point

either way, hoping it works out for him in the other device

[golden zenith]

yea

anyway.... gtg soon

CNY here where Gryphline is

[rancid loom]

aight see ya

[broken swift]

Bye

[rancid loom]

@broken swift this is awfully weird

the Nacon controller is now working properly

it may have just been overcharged that's why it went haywire

[broken swift]

It's alive? after 1 day of being "dead"

[rancid loom]

because I know for certain I left it charging when I slept yesterday

[rancid loom]

ye

[broken swift]

Shouldn't it has something like an overcharging protection?

[rancid loom]

I don't think so...it's a low quality controller

heck it isn't even something Nacon widely promotes

[broken swift]

It's a 30$ controller 💀

[rancid loom]

Ikr 💀

well if it's working fine now then no biggie

although I still need to observer further

[broken swift]

Yea 🥂, congrat on the revival of the controller

[rancid loom]

[sonic nymph]

said "play once" but doesn't count as im dying in Agony

[broken swift]

You have to clear a round iirc

[rancid loom]

ye you have to clear a round in order for it to count

also you should have already had that cleared

because in order for you to enter Agony mode, you need to beat the regular mode first

unless otherwise you didn't finish any round of Umbral Monument at all

[broken swift]

@rancid loom Speaking of umbral, i tried it with my random team of lv60 endmin, lv50Perlica, lv80 chen, and lv86 leviathan (all with under level equipments). And somehow i managed to complete a round

[rancid loom]

oh yeah it's easy to play through

there's no time limit anyway

the hard one was the last stage

but for the first two stages it's fricking easy

well...for the level you have...you're gonna have to do tryhard mode

[broken swift]

I still don't have enough resources to build Leviathan team...

[rancid loom]

you mean Laevatain

[golden zenith]

im on my phone now

[rancid loom]

why Leviathan? lmao

[golden zenith]

wdym easy

[rancid loom]

that's a different monster

[broken swift]

My bad i always call here Leviathan

[rancid loom]

was easy for me, the last one wasn't

[broken swift]

Lol

[rancid loom]

it's cool

[golden zenith]

i having a headache from the lvl 90 poison stage

[rancid loom]

oh I'm saying it's easy if it's not in Agony mode

[golden zenith]

ahhh

[rancid loom]

I may have said it's easy as well for me in Agony mode coz my team was already fully built...with their sig weapons as well

[broken swift]

After those lv100 holo in wuwa and those bosses from elden ring and Bloodborne i think i can manage...

[rancid loom]

the Survive the Gas stage, it's just to kill them as fast as possible and bring a healer in

coz since you're taking damage over time, you have to finish fast, and not get damaged at the same time.

[golden zenith]

meanwhile, where my physical team AoE healer...

[rancid loom]

your safety net would be your healer ofc

[broken swift]

Laevatain is the first and only one in my team to down lol

[rancid loom]

who did you bring with Laeva?

Ardelia, Akekuri, and Wulfgard were in my Laeva team

[storm cairn]

@proven sundial i want to use steamlink with my phone and a controller. with 3-40 bucks what controller should i get?

[broken swift]

Lv60Endmin, lv80Chen, lv50Perlica

[storm cairn]

if can include a phone holder too

[rancid loom]

hm...bringing Ember works I guess

the Chen level 80 is the carry huh

[broken swift]

+Gamesir supernova for membranes buttons
+Gamsir cyclone 2 for clicky
+Flydigi Direwolf 4
+Flydigi Vader (most expensive here)

[proven sundial]

Either a easysmx or gamesir up to preference

[broken swift]

Yea lol

[storm cairn]

the easysmx x05?

[proven sundial]

Up to you best to compare

[storm cairn]

alr alr what about a phone holder?

do they made a universal one yet?

[broken swift]

Phone holder sold separately lol

[rancid loom]

btw Xomori, we will need your guidebook for troubleshooting

[proven sundial]

Huh why ?

[rancid loom]

Ignores wants it kekw

[broken swift]

Flydigi phone holder is made for universal usage

[proven sundial]

Having too much trouble ?

[rancid loom]

nah I'm just kidding, not sure about Ignores if he was serious bout it

[golden zenith]

i was just joking, would be nice though XD

[broken swift]

Tho the clip is 4-6$💀

[proven sundial]

I swear that one guy with the amd driver timing out

[storm cairn]

jesus

[proven sundial]

I solved it in 10 min

While everyone was like wtf

[storm cairn]

do we have a universal one or this one is only for that model?

[broken swift]

For now the flydigi clip work for all controller with that slot

Which 80% of controllers have that

[golden zenith]

i still want to know why & what happened though, but only if you free to explain.

if you not free, it okay

[storm cairn]

i dont see thr direwolf 4 have it tho

[broken swift]

Well...

Cyclone 2 and vader 4 pro has that

[storm cairn]

🥴

pricy

[broken swift]

Cyclone 2 with dock = 40$
Vader 4 pro no dock =50$

[proven sundial]

Pretty much what is happening is that the software that you install now is too new for the igpu too work with so the compatibility tool made a custom driver just for that

Amd still has legacy drivers

[broken swift]

You can buy the cyclone 2 without dock it's 35$ now with voucher it's 30$

[golden zenith]

ahhhh.... fk me i guess

[proven sundial]

Also legacy drivers are not affected by other drivers

[golden zenith]

good to know in the future.... for now it a dummy sticker on my head

[proven sundial]

That's fine when you see that exact error occur

Either go compatibility tool

[livid wing]

what is that about the driver time out

[rancid loom]

sorry what does this mean? you can have a legacy driver and at the same time have the modern one at the same time?

[livid wing]

i remember when i used to be on amd and get driver time outs, it was very annoying

[proven sundial]

It's either modern driver or legacy driver

But the igpu was vega 8

So legacy

[rancid loom]

Radeon Vega? damn that's like so old

around the year 2000's

[broken swift]

Iirc amd cut the support for vega series. 25.8.1 is the newest on my vega 7

[proven sundial]

I mean vega 8 is based on vega 64

So it's quite old

By now

[muted crest]

I am just going to conclude that the game uses alot of RAM and my 16GB couldn't handle it, might need to buy a 16x2 kit or go for a quad channel of 4x8.

[rancid loom]

no

[broken swift]

No. Endfield have mem leak

[rancid loom]

that's a memleak more than not

I'm on 16GB and it only uses around 68% of my memory while it's running

[broken swift]

Vulkan or dx11 btw

[muted crest]

I think you're the same person that I talked to about, it's both. Still nothing.

[broken swift]

Yea this issue run deep if that the case...

Xomori, Max and other pros here might know how to fix that

[proven sundial]

What exactly ?

[broken swift]

Memleak on both vulkan and dx11.

[proven sundial]

And what have we tried ?

[rancid loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086683571462154/1469359978136600777/image.png?ex=6993e5de&is=6992945e&hm=381cb2fcb43c4788e1d572adc5b529381284ba06d894b8d4f29f175d2aa0729c&this I think this was his issue before

#tech-support message

[muted crest]

Oh wow you still have my image a week ago?

[rancid loom]

Discord search is helpful 🙂

[golden zenith]

well it not hard to find

just grep the photo

[rancid loom]

also @golden zenith you were the one who assisted him before

[golden zenith]

🙃

let me check

[proven sundial]

Okay but can we sum up what we tried

So we can be comprehensive

No need to repeat anything

[rancid loom]

wait...the screenshot he had before as well was

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086683571462154/1469358092419469382/image.png?ex=6993e41c&is=6992929c&hm=8ff2a1ceb373e7f2508e868e3da88b857f5163cb20517ade4f0d318a328041f7&

[broken swift]

Wait... A minute

Why is a browser running along with the game

And discord too...

[rancid loom]

can you check what applications are currently open for you rn just to be sure?

[golden zenith]

his games is installed in hdd....

if im not wrong

[waxen breach]

16gb ram, you really think you can run other things beside doing gaming ? HDD = garbage unusable for gaming since 2021

[muted crest]

Can't really afford an SSD here in my country

[waxen breach]

then buy a console, using a HDD in 2026 for gaming is like Using no GPU for gaming

[livid wing]

HDD for games isn't that bad.

[broken swift]

Well...

[rancid loom]

the HDD is more of the problem, the memory...well I have 16GB and I can stil run Discord and OperaGX while running Wuwa or Endfield

[waxen breach]

we pretend not to cope, HDD is ultra bad for gaming

[rancid loom]

just not optimal ofc

[proven sundial]

Hdd in this game is a heavy handicap

[waxen breach]

yea but then you can have stutters, frame drops and so on or even up to crashes

[proven sundial]

It's not fun

[muted crest]

Yes, we all know HDD is bad, not unless I have a motherboard that can support 2 m.2 SSD's

[rancid loom]

true hence why I said, not optimal

[broken swift]

Try Cods or elden ring and you will see... Hdd is only good for old games like Dark soul 3 or older

[golden zenith]

he can try moving to c: drive if he have the space

[proven sundial]

Even a sata ssd would help out a lot