The thing that is after flow:
#theorycrafting
potent hornet
really didn't think i could find more joy in watching umbrals than watching the laev mains cry about the chargers. The frog videos bring me so much more joy
distant python
I first tried every agony stage except slimes and the scuffed attempts at stage 2 with Yvonne (I'm bad at dodging)
The moment I went back to physical team it was easy
echo cove
damn, nice
neat snow
i am surprised to see which stages people struggle with on this umbral. i had 0 problem killing every slime but I am seeing people say they can't even beat it
potent hornet
do you have tangtang?
potent hornet
thats the answer
potent hornet
i just used LR, xai, perl, tt
edgy crater
well, u can aalso face tank
distant python
3.6k attack LR okayge
potent hornet
level your weapon....
distant python
broke
potent hornet
your missing like 1k attack just from that
did you buy the boxes from the palm event?
potent hornet
choosing sundered prince to level over the best weapon in the game is a choice but alright
distant python
i like ember okay
potent hornet
its fine
distant python
farming time i guess
potent hornet
not bashing it, play what you want
potent hornet
yea, get khrav to 90 and it should work a lot better
distant python
240 sanity for rare mat alone lol
i had 16 boxes, was fine
distant python
i fucking hate trceds
potent hornet
get the cast die from the quota shop if you have any
edgy crater
aint protohedron better to buy on quota shop
distant python
but i need like 320 worth of sanity for tcreds also
distant python
aint protohedron better to buy on quota shop
i dont buy anything except arsenal tickets/oroberyl and 75% off stuff
time for tcred farming i guess
all that for +400 attack okayge
potent hornet
i dont buy anything except arsenal tickets/oroberyl and 75% off stuff
we are talking about the quota shop, the currency you get for turing in duplicate operators
distant python
we are talking about the quota shop, the currency you get for turing in duplica...
no, credit shop
edgy crater
green cert shop
potent hornet
you need to etch
edgy crater
surge tide lr shouldve get 5.6k-ish atk
distant python
well um
potent hornet
and this is probably the "issue" people are having across the board. Attempting "hard" content with incomplete characters
edgy crater
max essence khrav give u like +50% damage kek
distant python
horizontal investment i guess or something
potent hornet
edgy crater
damn p5 khrav
distant python
p5 khrav lolxd
edgy crater
pulling on khrav isnt bad investment anyway 
potent hornet
because i pulled for khrav
distant python
whel
distant python
weapons i guess
potent hornet
like if you are starting out and not pulling on that banner, what you doing? Deto unit, jet, sundered, and exemplar
distant python
i pulled on gil sig, rossi sig and zhuang sig
potent hornet
and you skipped TT weapon 🙁
distant python
went with the battlepass
potent hornet
thats a personal dmg only, support support support-thats the name of the game
edgy crater
obj tang2 still an option kek
potent hornet
obj would work nicely
echo cove
obj tang2 still an option kek
that's just straight up garbo lmao
edgy crater
or u can make self argument so u build clannibal for her
echo cove
how many atk dif is it btw?
edgy crater
idr
echo cove
p5 obj vs brigand
edgy crater
obj gun mostly for ulti turbo
distant python
i mean soup sig is only like +8% arts damage taken no?
potent hornet
how many atk dif is it btw?
you aren't running her for attack at that point
echo cove
you aren't running her for attack at that point
no i mean atk% cos obj does give that
edgy crater
i mean soup sig is only like +8% arts damage taken no?
12% in lr eyes
potent hornet
distant python
12% i see
echo cove
ik brigand give 39%
echo cove
12% in lr eyes
dmg taken not the same as sucep
echo cove
Hm, i prolly should start saving for any future nature main dps eh
distant python
what does this bit even do
like why is it here
when the sub stat is cryo damage
echo cove
Cryo dmg% is always packaged with nature dmg%
potent hornet
what does this bit even do
its a BP weapon, its there for multiple units to use it
echo cove
It's just how it is so far
distant python
its a BP weapon, its there for multiple units to use it
yeah but the substat is cryo damage
echo cove
its a BP weapon, its there for multiple units to use it
Well not when the 2nd stat is cryo dmg
But yeah 
Funky stuff
distant python
so make it like uge or something
edgy crater
when the sub stat is cryo damage
to spite fluorite plaer
potent hornet
^
distant python
to spite fluorite plaer
2nd time in a row
lol
tbf this has int main stat
not agility so its not as blatant
surely this is like bis for flourite or something
this doesnt seem awful either
edgy crater
aint fluorite end up using wedge
echo cove
aint fluorite end up using wedge
She can't even proc full effect
edgy crater
She can't even proc full effect
stat stick lol
echo cove
distant python
she can, her skill can cuase a reaction
edgy crater
erenion, u try jet on lifeng?
potent hornet
haven't built my phys stuff fully yet
echo cove
she can, her skill can cuase a reaction
Doing that is horrid
distant python
yeah becuase consuming stacks for corrosion is like mid
potent hornet
phys takes full send investment and i like my cryo girls too much
distant python
higher level corrosion doesnt increase the max amp right?
the physical investment in question
potent hornet
distant python
nvm stacking for corrosion might be usable
surely you could do like cryo stacking up for flourite to combo then consume with skill
on wedge
potent hornet
i mean go watch some of the flourite videos. she can do some cool shit for what she is
potent hornet
6* can just do cooler shit so anyone that has opened their wallet will have less of a reason to use her outside of they like her
i think the main issue with corrosion right now is i don't think we have someone that benefits additional from corrosion outside of its ingrained effect. Like yvonne needs solidification, LR gives a ton of cryo suscept by consuming stacks, Laev needs her fire, Fang wants elec, they all benefit from corrosion but suffer by the act of causing the reaction on the side of rotation efficiency
so like most stuff will use the single stack because that is far easier to build a rotation around than 4 stacking just to drop it into corrosion and have to build it up again within 20 seconds to get the full benefit
we get someone that gets "if corrosion is up do cool shit without consuming corrosion"
and it will be the next big thing
sorry i'm high as a kite and finished with my daily stuff trying to figure out what i want to do next
woeful timber
i think the main issue with corrosion right now is i don't think we have someone...
Funny thing is, if you have the choice between proccing combustion for Lae to trigger hotworks, or proccing Corro2(timing Gil’s ult before or after her NA3), she does about 100k more dmg on her ebs crits with corro2. About 20-30k more dmg with corro1. I’ve tested this and have the video if you’d like. This just mostly proves how bad hotworks is for Lae though.
green pecan
Endmin is an Enderman
potent hornet
Funny thing is, if you have the choice between proccing combustion for Lae to tr...
i wouldn't mind seeing that
woeful timber
i wouldn't mind seeing that
First clip is corro2, second is hotworks. Its a 70k difference in this vid, but i've hit 820k with corro2 before. Not sure what triggers the difference though. Otherwise though the rot and team is exactly the same, only difference is the timing of Gils ult and using Ake's bs to proc corro 2.
potent hornet
First clip is corro2, second is hotworks. Its a 70k difference in this vid, but...
have you attempted a corrosion 4?
or is it just too much of a hasle to extend the rotation at that point?
woeful timber
or is it just too much of a hasle to extend the rotation at that point?
it'd be a hassle to extend the rot and Lae's ult doesnt last long enough. With this rot she has enough time for like half a ba seq before her ult runs out.
I could trade someone for Wulf to get more heat stacks but then she'd be losing overall dmg so it'd be missing the point.
potent hornet
gotcha, 70k isn't all that much of a big deal for the most part i would think
woeful timber
gotcha, 70k isn't all that much of a big deal for the most part i would think
Its compared to 50% heat dmg, not nothing. With the corro proc hotworks isnt being procc'd
woeful timber
Yea i just wanted to mention there are some cases where proccing corro is the better choice because of how much dmg it gives by removing resistances.
afaik there arent any other buffs that remove resistances in the game other than Zhuangs p5
woeful timber
Oh right
potent hornet
Yea i just wanted to mention there are some cases where proccing corro is the be...
i was making the point that even if you do use corrosion you normally don't go further than 1 or 2 stacks with it. i was leaning more to just the one stack but this shows 2 is viable to reach without overextending the rotation
river ermine
if you wanna get exhaustive with the options
avywenna team do make corro4
perlica team (bit of a stretch) also do make corro4
potent hornet
avy making things interesting as usual
woeful timber
Oh is that part of how Perli hits those 1.9m finishers? That makes sense.
river ermine
a lot of case with lr can also do cs3+cor3
laev speedrhod lacks the amount of stack and stagger to be actually making more than 2 stacks of cor
obviously fangyi is greedy so thats not an option
so is yvonne
one could argue p5 ardelia can make some interesting cor rotations in physical teams
potent hornet
a lot of case with lr can also do cs3+cor3
i will have to look those up. i ran ardelia for while on her but i was mostly using ard sig and talent to consume corrosion
river ermine
you cant do cor2+ with ardelia
thats only possible with gilberta
ardelia cor is forced lvl1
potent hornet
gotcha
dusk isle
First clip is corro2, second is hotworks. Its a 70k difference in this vid, but...
The difference is just corro ramp most likely
woeful timber
The difference is just corro ramp most likely
Ahh you're right thats probably exactly what it is
dusk isle
Probably 2 corro tics of difference between the two
Any more and gil ult would just run out
woeful timber
Hmm interesting, I should do some more testing with Lae's rot knowing that
Thats true actually, you have limited time with Gil's ult
Makes sense, so 820k is probably the max i'd see
outer ermine
outer ermine
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karmic tusk
for the fangyi team is there anything else i should bother maxing, i feel like this is probably most of the important skills since everybody other than fangyi does pretty low damage
warped sinew
for the fangyi team is there anything else i should bother maxing, i feel like t...
thats fine, though personally i would still max out all skills on zhuang, and can also upgrade arclight ult (depending on how upgraded your thermite cutter is) for some more dmg and stagger
karmic tusk
thats fine, though personally i would still max out all skills on zhuang, and ca...
yea makes sense, i unfortunatly somehow dont have a thermite cutter yet tho so ill just save that for when i eventually get one
woeful timber
for the fangyi team is there anything else i should bother maxing, i feel like t...
Perlica’s cs to m3 for the -1 cooldown helps quite a lot actually, more than I expected. Also you can get Arclights cs to m1 for +1 sp which isn’t much but makes her cs give an even 10, and her ult to m1 for +6 stagger which is mostly just helpful for phase skipping Rho. All of these are optional, but do mildly help if you’ve got nothing else to upgrade.
Also Zhuang’s cs to m3 for the -1 second is pretty clutch too
Didn’t notice she was only m6 at first
karmic tusk
yea ik it does, but also with my typical rotation im only using perlicas cs once anyway, same with fangyis.
what ive been doing is perli cs + perli bs + fangyi cs, gives level 2 elec, consumes for first 3 blades
then antal cs right into arclight ult, gives level 2 elec, fangyi consumes for next 3 blades
then ult on fangyi and bs for last 3 blades, then just spam bs
woeful timber
I mean sure if you’re only trying to speed kill bosses it doesn’t matter, although my Nef speed kill needed Perli’s cs to m3 to function. However, in Umbral when you need their cs to proc electrification for Zhuang’s ebs to build her ult faster, the -1 second helps quite a bit.
potent hornet
i am unsure why i did it to myself but i solod executioner in NTE with nanally
warped sinew
whats the fastest nef kill rn? currently this is my best
woeful timber
whats the fastest nef kill rn? currently this is my best
32 is my best with p5p5 Zfy but I’ve seen a 28 that includes a p5p5 Gil, p5 deto, and p5 thermite
I can’t remember what Bluejays is with p0 it’s somewhere around 40 though, maybe 38
dusk isle
bluejays is 38s with p0p0
woeful timber
Right it was 38, thanks for clarifying
dusk isle
yw
warped sinew
dang, i dont even have deto and my thermite is p0
woeful timber
Yea I’ve tried the 28s rot with my p0 deto, p3 thermite, and p1p1 Gil and I’m about 300k dmg short of getting the kill.
woeful timber
<:AleshFish:1495461231958429877>
Yea it was crit and fish both phases, you don’t even know how much I farmed for that
dusk isle
oh i know... i know
warped sinew
my zhuang is p5p2 and gil p0p0, so not a chance for me lol
warped sinew
i didnt even copy any rotation to my run
dusk isle
Yea I’ve tried the 28s rot with my p0 deto, p3 thermite, and p1p1 Gil and I’m ab...
honeslty gil p2 feels like it would help so much
woeful timber
honeslty gil p2 feels like it would help so much
I’m pretty sure that’s what I’m missing honestly, I hope Clown gets his Zhuang to p5 so he can test it out too. I’d love to pull Gil’s p2 on her rerun banner but I have a p5 Lae and Ardelia so…
dusk isle
id like to try to pull for zfy p5 but i dont wana spend any money on her
woeful timber
Ya I wanted to spend money on her which is why I p5’d her. I only really p5’d Lae due to insane luck paired with the launch pulls. Normally I wouldn’t p5 units unless I really really liked them.
woeful timber
im 137 away from first token and alr at p3
That was my luck on Lae’s banner, got her p5 with the 240 token.
woeful timber
Ya I was just lucky Lae was the launch banner, so I did have the orundum to try. I only needed to spend like $50 total and most of that was on the bp and monthly pass I woulda bought anyways.
dusk isle
id rather spend any money i would on this game on akog since i enjoy it much more
woeful timber
That’s fair, I enjoy this game so much I’ve cut all my spending on any other gacha I play almost completely to justify my spending on this one. It makes sense to reserve your funds for your favourite.
upper dome
hellugar aka pog art intensiry for stragger right? or its for other stuff
dusk isle
breach effect enhancement
slate cargo
That’s fair, I enjoy this game so much I’ve cut all my spending on any other gac...
Are you like p5p5 every character? Lol
Theres really no need to in this game unlike others…which basically require it to be competitive
woeful timber
Are you like p5p5 every character? Lol
Theres really no need to in this game un...
i have 1 p5p5
slate cargo
Same I only really whaled for Fangxi
woeful timber
and theres no reason to do it in any gacha game, "competition" in a gacha game is a joke. I just whaled for her because I liked her, and arguably the profile banner is a better return for p5 than most other gacha games. Damage gets power crept over time anyways.
slate cargo
Idk Ive played a rts perma loss gacha that required like $300 a week just to not die lol
not doing that again 🤣
woeful timber
That sounds crazy as hell to me but whatever floats your boat I guess
slate cargo
Used to play SLA also and that required basically maxing every unit to stay competitive
some units you could sorta skip but those were few and far between
woeful timber
but define competitive, because most of the time those leaderboards are meaningless drivel to get you to spend money. They are far from needed.
slate cargo
leaderboards mostly but every new raid boss had a like a first 1000 or something to clear it bonus which was limited cosmetics and other goodies
woeful timber
So it's not needed, there are just as many reasons to whale on a game for some silly leaderboard as there are to whale on akef for speedrun times.
slate cargo
there was legit content that needed maxed units also
woeful timber
I dunno man, if I needed to whale to clear content I'd consider that a bad gacha game that wouldnt get a penny from me. I only spend money on akef because I don't need to, as contradictory as that sounds.
woeful timber
So I've done some testing and Zhuang gets her ult after 3 ebs with elect 2, or 4 ebs with elect 1. So it's actually faster to alternate Perli and Zhuangs CS and get 4 elect 1 ebs so that by Perli's 3rd CS you're already in ult. Sp is tight but it works well. I remember hearing people say Zhuang takes 60s to get her ult, but its actually only 40.
I'm not sure if this is common knowledge already or not so I thought i'd mention it
This is p5 with slab by the way, so if below p4 id just swap slab for Xiranite arm and you’d get the same rot, the boss just might survive long enough for Zhuang’s full bs.
glacial yacht
It's all the same unless you put on some UGE and alignment. Potential 1 decreases it at least 10s I think.
drifting quest
more sp intensive rot that only really works via potential privelege (p1, p3, p4 if you insist) is not exactly splashable
a 4ebs rot is reliant on extra thunderstrikes which is a decent chunk more energy thanks to p1
like yes there are some p0 rots you can do that go faster but their consistency is hard to maintain
woeful timber
If you put Xiranite arm on her you should get enough uge to make up the difference, ofcourse I can’t test that out. It’d be nice if someone did and posted a video instead of making claims that it won’t work.
I do admit sp is tight though, you’l have to stall for a whole 40 sp that Zhuang gets from her p3.
woeful timber
Like I said, I’d rather someone posted a video of this rot with p0 to show the difference rather than just some calculations and claims that it won’t work.
drifting quest
the calcs are not going to show anything different
woeful timber
They’re gonna show a bunch of numbers that mean nothing to someone who doesn’t dive into the numbers in these games
drifting quest
if you want to wait for someone to post vids instead that's your prerogative but it's not effort im ever going to put in and that's a trend you might see with others
main nova
This is p5 with slab by the way, so if below p4 id just swap slab for Xiranite a...
man... my poor Fangyi cant do this
you see that around 30 second, our sp consumption not matching even with same team
fund me
woeful timber
you see that around 30 second, our sp consumption not matching even with same te...
It’s 10sp per bs, unless you haven’t leveled your Arclights cs then 2 per arc cs too
dry kindle
man... my poor Fangyi cant do this
dry kindle
If you put Xiranite arm on her you should get enough uge to make up the differen...
You don't
main nova
woeful timber
Oh I see what I might be missing, is the bonus ultimate energy per thunder strike on her battle skill per sunderblade? I didn’t realize the extra sunderblade from p1 was that beneficial.
woeful timber
especially for 4ebs
Yea I see that now, with the 3 ebs at elect 2 I get 2 bonus thunder strikes after filling the ult.
But with the 4ebs rot it’s like exactly enough
So yea p1 would be crucial
glacial yacht
This rot is fun tho at p0, constantly pressing combo
woeful timber
You tried it? It’d be nice if you could take a video of it so i can see the comparison. Thats just me wanting to satisfy my curiosity though. I wish i could situationally remove the effects of pots so i could try different rots.
I don’t regret pulling the pots but at times like this it’d be nice to remove them so i could test these things and find out the answers before recommending them if they require pots.
frozen tide
Perli bs 6.5 zhuang fs zhuang cs 20 perli cs zhuang bs 5.85(4 sunders) perli cs zhuang bs 5.85+6(4) (6 sunders) perli bs 6.5 zhuang cs 20 zhuang bs 5.85+6(6) (8 sunders) gilb ult arc ult zhuang bs 5.85+6(8) (9 sunders)
6.5+20+5.85+5.85+6(4)+6.5+20+5.85+6(6)+5.85+6(8)=184.4
assuming p1 and p3
without p3 its 187
without p1 cba
with aux arm itd be 184.4x1.32=243.408
woeful timber
https://youtu.be/u4IFbz2flbA?si=xWJhOLdL0P0F_1Oj
That’s at p0? A 10 second difference isn’t that bad tbh, that’s the same time I get if I use the 3 ebs elect 2 rot at p5.
And with the 3 ebs rot I don’t get Perli’s cs for Zhuang’s ult
Thanks for posting that
river ermine
Perli bs 6.5 zhuang fs zhuang cs 20 perli cs zhuang bs 5.85(4 sunders) perli cs ...
this feels wrong
zhuang generates energy based on sunderblade every bs
frozen tide
Yes
Thats why first bs is just 5.85
And second is 5.85+6(4)
If im missibg a part of the equation lmk but the sunder thingy as I understand is integrated
river ermine
first bs shd be 5.85 + 6*4
river ermine
what
frozen tide
Ok
river ermine
then it generates blade and does the sunder dmg which also generates energy
first bs has 4 sunder if elect2
frozen tide
First bs generates 4 sunders yes
frozen tide
But the energy is not based off generating sunders
Its off how much strikes it does
Which is off how much sunders are on field
woeful timber
I think it’s cuz the sunder’s generated at the start of her bs count towards the lightning strikes procc’d afterwards on her first bs, that’s the part you’re missing
river ermine
Which is off how much sunders are on field
im using slab so it might be less obvious but im sure you have good eyes
river ermine
well because i made 3
frozen tide
or did i miss a number
river ermine
yes shes p0
frozen tide
ic
river ermine
and also
frozen tide
rots a lot cleaner since this is how sunder is accounted
its just (perli bs>perli zhuang cs>zhuang bs)x2+gilb ult arc ult zhuang bs
6.5+20+5.85+6(4)+6.5+20+5.85+6(7)+5.85+6(9)
190.55
river ermine
26% uge
frozen tide
ur right
river ermine
first bs isnt 5.85
frozen tide
river ermine
this one
river ermine
it return after consuming
frozen tide
ive inquired iana abt this
a long time ago
returned sp is never on your bar
it just gets transferred immediately
unless zfy is a special case id assume the returned sp thingy is the same as others
and that its calculated immediately
river ermine
wdym by
never on your bar
far as ive seen tangtang sp return catas sp return all goes to your bar
it just gets consumed first on the next bs
river ermine
yes
river ermine
well in the meantime i shall refresh delivery
frozen tide
@river ermine
also p0 even accounting 6.5 doesnt get enough for ult with that rot with only aux arm
river ermine
ill go do some testing then
frozen tide
wait does that even work
amount of nature determines the electrification lvl
not the other way around
nvm just get p1
river ermine
so this is using laev bs which has no sp return
and this is using antal bs with catas
so it does work like that huh
river ermine
amount of nature determines the electrification lvl
what
frozen tide
i deleted smth
cant you do gilb bs
into gilb ult
into arc
for t2 electrification
and thatd be the same speed rot
just uses more sp
echo cove
How big is 400 atk dif 
drifting quest
a decent chunk but not gamechanging
give or take acceptable losses for something like set bonus or uge
echo cove
river ermine
for t2 electrification
atp why not perli bs arc ult to get elec2 
gil ult after arc ult seq2
frozen tide
atp why not perli bs arc ult to get elec2 <:1kb:1318137756253163530>
true
i didnt know thats how arc ult prio worked like that
just 1 elec infliction and it makes t2 reaction?
frozen tide
🤔
river ermine
then seq2 consumes n infliction to make n electrification
if elec infliction is active
frozen tide
can you write that part of the rot out
perli bs>arc ult
what else to make the t2 ele
river ermine
pretty much just perli bs arc ult
arc ult seq2
arc ult has 2 sequences
seq1 applies infliction
seq2 if theres active infliction consume infliction make reaction
frozen tide
so perli bs into arc ult makes t2 ele
ic
so
p0: perli bs>zhuang fs>zhuang cs>perli cs>zhuang bs>perli bs>zhuang fs>zhuang cs>perli cs>zhuang bs>perli bs>arc ult>zhuang bs
for cold start?
river ermine
p0: perli bs>zhuang fs>zhuang cs>perli cs>arc cs>zhuang bs>arc cs> perli bs>zhuang fs>zhuang cs>perli cs>arc cs>zhuang bs>arc cs>perli bs>arc ult>zhuang bs
shd be
smth like this
at the end of the day its just make use of both perli and fangyi cs
frozen tide
yeah i was omitting arc cs cause reading the notation without it is a pain already
makes me feel like i have dyslexia or smth
river ermine
yeah well fair enough
its why i space out rotation writing
lol
how much is that like
600sp?
frozen tide
honestly not too bad of a rot for p0
river ermine
i dont have arc p4 so i cant rly test it
river ermine
prep for ult frfr
i forgot i cant just calc fangyi energy with just sp
perli bs 6.5
zhuang fs>zhuang cs 20
perli cs>arc cs>zhuang bs 6.5 + 6 * 3
arc cs> perli bs 6.5
zhuang fs>zhuang cs 20
perli cs>arc cs>zhuang bs 6.5 + 6 * 6
arc cs>perli bs 6.5
arc ult>zhuang bs 6.5 + 6 * 9
6.5 + 20 + 6.5 + 18 + 6.5 + 20 + 6.5 + 36 + 6.5 + 45 = 171.5
fuck
technically
possible
arc cs > perli bs > arc ult > fs > zhuang cs > zhuang bs
takes a while to get cs back though
frozen tide
@river ermine 6(9) is not 45
river ermine
no will
frozen tide
or just get p1
great pot
also also
did you forget one 6.5 at the end
or am i tripping
cause you perli bs and zhuang bs
it should be 2 6.5 right
@river ermine
river ermine
where arc bs
river ermine
yeah i mean using gilb ult as stacking is lowkey funny
what if we put wulf in the equation
river ermine
199 lol
frozen tide
@river ermine does arc ult on an enemy with no infliction trigger electrification by itself?
frozen tide
kk
p1 has a pretty clean no aux rot
p1 no uge with perli arc: perli bs>zhuang fs>zhuang cs>perli cs>zhuang bs>perli cs>zhuang bs>zhuang fs>perli cs>zhuang bs>perli bs>zhuang fs>zhuang cs>zhuang bs>arc ult>zhuang bs
^5 ebs 700 sp
river ermine
do we even have enough sp to pull this rot off
frozen tide
great question
flawless no downtime rot probably not
tho because of so many ebs you probably can recover close to a full 100 with arc
as for sp to use after ulting idk
frozen tide
and because of the nature of slab over aux you do wanna cash in with ult
might be kinda dookie in practice
can imagine its just better to take a longer rot to have sp for ult
river ermine
hold off ult to regen sp
river ermine
frozen tide
yeah i cant figure out a good p4 rot for the life of me
frozen tide
every new idea im trying for lower sp is always like 5 off from 204/154
river ermine
time to run catastrophe
river ermine
lmao
limpid shadow
wonder if cc will drop on a day where I can just rot for 20 hours straight figuring out high risk 🚬
frozen tide
p4+ with perli arc: perli bs>zhuang fs>zhuang cs>perli cs>zhuang bs>perli cs>zhuang bs>arc ult>(before arc ult seq finishes) zhuang fs> arc ult finishes>zhuang cs>zhuang bs
this is 178.05
best i can find if arc can even make the ult there
i need someone with hands to test this
@outer ermine do you have p4+ zhuang?
sterile moat
p4+ with perli arc: perli bs>zhuang fs>zhuang cs>perli cs>zhuang bs>perli cs>zhu...
p4+ zhuang has a better rotation with just perli
sterile moat
Perlica cs > gilb cs > zfy bs
Perlica bs x2 > fs > > zfy cs > zfy bs
Perlica cs > gilb cs > zfy bs (8 blade + 2 vul stack)
needs aux arm uge kit
you get ult by 2nd perlica cs
4th slot is free for whatever
rossi is super good in this slot
sterile moat
thats why you have rossi
frozen tide
fair enough
sterile moat
her ult dmg covers everything
frozen tide
never really seen rossi zfy comps but i can imagine it works well
since rossi can carry through zfy downtime
🤔
sterile moat
never really seen rossi zfy comps but i can imagine it works well
i forgot where my more optimised clip was
but this was on 3* level 1 weaps
daring dove
Rossi's activation condition isn't selfish I suppose so she can work in lots of teams. That's part of the reason I still don't think Fangyi is a top 3 character in the current "meta". If you could only have 3 limited characters on your account the obvious picks for me remains Tangtang / Gilberta / Rossi right now. That said maybe if Fangyi gets a 6* limited support in 1.3 that chould shake things up. 
@sterile moat Few more days until you can fix your Gilberta still planning to go nuts on that 4 character banner?
sterile moat
Yea
daring dove
Good luck then. 
sterile moat
I need the gil pots
frozen tide
Im short on funds this month
edgy crater
2 week?
frozen tide
Fuck
river ermine
How long is rerun gonna last
3 weeks
frozen tide
Maybe i should just not pull then
river ermine
1 week with fangyi + 2 weeks after fangyi is gone
frozen tide
If i try to pull imma hit p1 hard pity and not have anything left
I want p2 or p3
Surely they have another rerun later
ivory gale
this umbral monument might be the first one I can't Ember solo all the way through 
daring dove
I want p2 or p3
If you just want Gilberta pots & don't have near unlimited funds this banner isn't for you to be honest. Not saying that to be smug or anything but honestly 25% chance will hurt.
frozen tide
Oh you can't choose or anythjng
Yeah nvm im good on that
Imma get like 3 yvonnes even if i whale
frozen tide
this umbral monument might be the first one I can't Ember solo all the way throu...
Some people have done it i think
daring dove
Oh you can't choose or anythjng
You can pick your 120 / 240 /480 pots of course. But the rest of your 6* pulls with be 75% chance to miss 25% chance to hit. Assuming you only want 1 character. If you wants pots for multiple of the 4 characters it's a good banner.
edgy crater
Some people have done it i think
u cant solo ember 4-3
frozen tide
Yeah think im gonna have to skip unfortunately
edgy crater
unless u do uge maxxing on her
edgy crater
slimes
outer ermine
<@1104331316322893854> do you have p4+ zhuang?
outer ermine
yea
edgy crater
lucsack
frozen tide
Ok
I have a request
p4+ aux arm with perli arc: perli bs>zhuang fs>zhuang cs>perli cs>zhuang bs>perli cs>zhuang bs>arc ult>(before arc ult seq finishes) zhuang fs> arc ult finishes>zhuang cs>zhuang bs
Can u try this
3 piece qinbo on perli, max uge non redeemer kit on zfy
Probs need full set on arc
So fully uge artificed arc 1 uge kit fangyi artifice doesn't matter 3 qinbo on perli
outer ermine
just uge arc?
frozen tide
Arc may need both full uge +3piece frontiers
You can try without first
But im really not sure what the breakpoint is for arc here
Because i dunno how many cs can fit in
And im not sure if cd reduction helps at all with it fitting either
Anyhow thank you hifumi
🙏
frozen tide
just uge arc?
Make sure to have one uge kit on zhuang
Don't actually think it needs to be fully arrificed
🤔
Yeah non artificed works
So just arc with artificed stuff
frozen tide
Idk how to math out how many arc cs fits into that rot
And i don't know Chinese to use endaxis
outer ermine
i dont have enuf arc uge for this 💀
also theres a eng ver someone made some time ago for endaxis
frozen tide
i dont have enuf arc uge for this 💀
You don't or is it just not possible
With max artifice
How many arc cs could u fit in
I can math it out if u can give me that
outer ermine
hold on lemme count but i have an idea w alesh while doing this lemme just peek that
potent quiver
so rn my factories are making lc wuling bats and xiranite and cuprium components, what rdl do i need to start farming hetonite components(or best a bit of cuprium and xiranite ones too)? rn im rdl 8
frozen tide
what is rdl
dry kindle
development level
main nova
Hifumis love for the game and speekilling is boundless
he is rhoda expert if he found character not optimized for rhoda run, it probably trash
cinder oxide
Not dps, but Rhops (Rhodagns killed per second)
outer ermine
schling the rot sucks btw so im changing it
outer ermine
the other one is too long
frozen tide
believe it or not
that rot is still way faster than normal zhuang hypercarry cold starts
its just zhuang moment icl
frozen tide
<:PerliWheeze:1171272662664892437> the other one is too long
how many arc cs fit into the rot i requested tho
i still need to know
drifting quest
b-but muh set bonus
frozen tide
theres also no will main uge chest or gloves which sucks
id love to run 2x slab uge chest gloves
dry kindle
whel strats smh
daring dove
Reckon I can leave Lifeng like that for a while? I'll get more pots of his weapons when I lose 50/50's on future banners.
jagged fiber
theres also no will main uge chest or gloves which sucks
Bonkrusha Poncho T1 is main stat will and has uge
frozen tide
you are very fucking right
woeful timber
Isn’t that main stat agil and substat will? I’d have to log on to double check but I remember looking at that and dismissing it as an option
woeful timber
Oh what it is main stat will
outer ermine
yea told u 71
woeful timber
Maybe it’s the one I artificed that was a different one then, that might be where I got mixed up
sturdy hill
<:PerliWheeze:1171272662664892437>
is hildolfr sleeping rn
smoky quarry
I've been out of theorycrafting for month, what are you guys even talking about?
outer ermine
is hildolfr sleeping rn
idk
carmine sun
Bloody Hell this DPS check Stage... is there actually any easier way to actually do it or I just did it the correct way by going ham in it ?
next helm
daring dove
I just rang through all the new stages in 20 mins using Rossi- Tangtang team.
carmine sun
I mean the other ones at least like you have to do something other than playing Offensive, this one is like "If you didn't melt us before we reach the goal, you're Dead", and the purple slime making it even more harder cuz I cannot stagger them at all
inland quarry
Bloody Hell this DPS check Stage... is there actually any easier way to actually...
You can simply facetank the damage instead
woeful timber
Just bring Ardelia and outheal the damage
I saw a solo ardelia do this by just using her basic attack to stagger the timing of the slimes hitting centre and then healing the damage
carmine sun
Oh ok good to know, I guess healing is an option as well
pallid shell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAfQeGTJnP0
fortmaker chen goes crazy
woeful timber
Wait is Chen how they're staggering so fast?
dry kindle
ai go brrr
pallid shell
her ult has 35 base stagger, uge on fortmaker actually useful
outer ermine
can skip ult, didnt have enuf sp for 3rd interrupt since he didnt save cs for the first 1
limit is pretty close to 38
oh holo was alive earlier
pallid shell
this better be a whel clear
all p5p5
outer ermine
grind for my 48 shatter when sin
outer ermine
i have 83k login mf 
honest onyx
give me 68k ginseng plants and we have a deal
when being theorycrafter needs you to be farmer as well
summer narwhal
am I doing this right?
summer narwhal
does 9/9/4 even matter for subdps?
edgy elk
oh u werent kidding?
distant python
Idk why this is our priority
edgy elk
oh god don't boost ur support
i forgor pog dont even count as sub
+2 damage to tickle tickle
summer narwhal
like this one?
distant python
Unless you like only build 1 team and everyone else has already been etched
edgy elk
ok yeah ur doing this right
keep at it. gl
distant python
If your lifeng, Chen and endmin/dapan have full etching then yeah it's fine
summer narwhal
I've mainly invested into my Physical team
distant python
Start building another team
edgy elk
eh, bro's committed. i respect that
summer narwhal
Chen and Endmin are fully etched
distant python
Prepare for contingency contract
summer narwhal
ZF's fully etched
distant python
Aight we good then
summer narwhal
Stanza for Gilberta then?
honest onyx
you have other than phy team
distant python
2nd and 3rd line on Gil for etching
summer narwhal
I was trying Exemplar for Ember
distant python
Top line doesn't matter much
distant python
In zfy team perlica usually wants wild wanderer I believe
honest onyx
someone ask in teambuild channel what gear for lifeng
summer narwhal
summer narwhal
someone ask in teambuild channel what gear for lifeng
what I've got on mine, but I've also seen Xiranite for UGE
swift onyx
eh, bro's committed. i respect that
dusk isle
<a:wavewave:1418550520976773232>
Pookie is handing out his last waves before his nitro runs out
swift onyx
sturdy hill
no nitor
outer ermine
whel
distant python
There's stagger with swordmancer + sundered, and then more damage with exemplar
And I think also aethertech
Unsure on the aether tech stuff though
outer ermine
dont even have nitro
sturdy hill
swift onyx
Ikr
edgy elk
it'll decorate the graveyard alongside our lost sigs and countless rhodagns
swift onyx
I think im doing good on those 
dusk isle
Copus detected
edgy elk
bro's a collectionist
swift onyx
Copus was a mistake for gil cuz i thought i wasnt gonna pull it
swift onyx
Cuz arclight has tm
edgy elk
swift onyx
Smh
swift onyx
<:PerliStare:1171270701840334908>
He was my 1st 6*
Had to treat him nice
dusk isle
Huge gil gains
dusk isle
9/9/9 chiv next <:XaihiPray:1186501107359428608>
Your chiva p5 
edgy elk
btw im pretty sure xai can break 10k HP
edgy elk
it'll be a while til i can etch chiv 2nd line to +6
dusk isle
P5 deto p5 chiva for my xaihi 
swift onyx
dedication indeed
Or stupidity
edgy elk
bwaa
sturdy hill
bwaa
dusk isle
bwaaa
edgy elk
peak theorycrafting
dusk isle
?
swift onyx
sturdy hill
dusk isle
bwaaa
outer ermine
swift onyx
Hater
south bloom
<@908332223797805067> goober do u know any ember dps builds
something like this with an exemplar
sturdy hill
hmmm
daring dove
DPS Ember 
distant python
https://youtu.be/kIv8DmBT8hE?si=IOB2B1v0XqTIBCQp
ember propaganda has been released again
summer narwhal
I don't know about this
sturdy hill
now u know
soft tendon
I don't know about this
i use this with valiant and its pretty fun tbh
thinking about switching to chimeric for more ult gain
summer narwhal
I feel like I don't gain anything
most of the time I'm too busy trying to not get Endmin Killed
Or skills get interpreted etc
It's the worst
summer narwhal
Tried to see if I'd like it, watched Breach Miss, wasted SP
distant python
https://tenor.com/view/point-gif-2450101530054484962
how does the plunge attack spam work?
is it like dodge cancels into jump into plunge?
summer narwhal
Jump attack
You guys over here doing Gabby l fancy stuff with your animation cancels etc, I'm doing it because I'm dumb trying not to die
ivory gale
how does the plunge attack spam work?
just hold down the attack button and jump dash cancel repeatedly
distant python
okay so it is dash cancelling
edgy elk
mannn that frog stage plays
respect
this umbral was kinda brutal for solos
stage 3 half the ops can't solo that
meanwhile xaihi arde gil solos just healing it
ivory gale
if only the stage damage activates Ember CS
ivory gale
surely 26k HP ember can tank it <:ICANT:1462962578602070026>
it does % damage
edgy elk
oh what
oh god that's brutal
i thought it was just 2k
my condolences
i had to give up on that one too, yvonne got dps checked so i had to make tt do it
i couldnt do frog either
sturdy hill
surely 26k HP ember can tank it <:ICANT:1462962578602070026>
soon-ish
the moment i see %hp dmg it scares me
honest hill
Ember is so hot as well
distant python
%hp damage on the slime stage is soo cringe
supple wasp
Hello, got a quick question as i'm new, was fortunate enough to get Zhang & wanted to know if her weapon will be back after the banner ? or it dissapear and impossible to get ?
woeful timber
Hello, got a quick question as i'm new, was fortunate enough to get Zhang & want...
Her weapon banner will be available for the next 2 banners after hers ends.
drifting quest
All weapon banners last 3 char banners
Debut + next 2 new releases
3 chartered, importantly
Fest (gilb pog laev ard) does not count
outer ermine
chilly raft
<:PerliFumo:1148081871855570975>
nobody need C7 just throwing to other to farm point
outer ermine
im bombing someone tonight
outer ermine
can 38 nef it seems
its so fucking funny mono phy and rosshatter are just matching in times
honest hill
<:PerliFumo:1148081871855570975>
give them all to me
dusk isle
30 runs where tf is my crit its phase1 bruh
I remember saying this exact sentence
outer ermine
im out of everything
phase1
fin, endmin crit + slash crit
or
fin, stab+slash full crit
phase2
same fucking thing
dusk isle
My odds are better i only need avg crit luck on tt and bonus dmg crit on lr cs, for both phases, but im still unlucky af regardless 
outer ermine
lets swap
outer ermine
she cute
stab+slash full crit is too real
oh ye i should test sub 15 rhod now
nvm
limpid shadow
everytime I look at those solo clears, I just wonder how many hours and attempts it takes 
because wow unemployment is basically a superpower
thick terrace
What is the chance of clue 7 spawning
Why so much
Is this a spaghetti code copied straight from Arknights
potent hornet
everytime I look at those solo clears, I just wonder how many hours and attempts...
i haven't don't any of the solo stuff here but i put 7 hours into soloing Executioner on NTE
edgy elk
everytime I look at those solo clears, I just wonder how many hours and attempts...
eh, an hour or less per UM stage
20 minutes if u tang it or use another easy one
im guessing more than 3h if u do an nightmare one like ember vs frog 💀
dusk isle
good evening s.ln
edgy elk
total 6h for me on yvonne, checks out
pallid shell
@edgy elk https://youtu.be/_Xexca-CW9s?si=RVNEB4ig7rKqotZa
57s P0 LR! 54s possible it seems
dusk isle
I saw that as well
But im too lazy to try um runs
edgy elk
I saw that as well <:PerliStareYou:1171270704310792332>
But im too lazy to try ...
fish for movesets!! gogogo
edgy elk
sub20min d3 IS6 now
serene turret
sturdy hill
sub20min d3 IS6 now
sub 10mins is5 d18 now
potent hornet
what is IS?
waxen knoll
sooooooooooooo i maxed out artifice on Fangyi, Rossi, Tangtang, Yvonne, and Lav
Should i start artivising phys characters? or should i work on UGE of their supports
is Arts Intensity Artifice worth it?
woeful timber
what is IS?
It’s an ogak roguelike mode
Sorta
It’s pretty fun, I hope it gets added to akef eventually
distant python
Frog stage is funny
potent hornet
ahh
dry kindle
It’s pretty fun, I hope it gets added to akef eventually
It was in cbt
woeful timber
It was in cbt
That's good to know, it'll probably get added sooner than later then
fingers crossed
dry kindle
Mfw kings set in endfield
outer ermine
gib ra instead
drifting quest
RA would mesh better into endfield than IS but also like the entire game of endfield is pseudo RA to begin with
everyone seems to want IS in Endfield but I can't imagine a way they port it that doesn't go the way of every other 3darpg that has tried to do it
outer ermine
shiny hunt all over again
ivory gale
wish I thought of this lmao
https://youtu.be/Gbg2Y76wto4
edgy elk
oh my god that's genius
little cape
anyone try out main dps crit tangtang
drifting quest
yet to see any case of it outperform alternatives
sheeted worse even when given unrealistic assumptions
tacit arch
jade hemlock
anyone wanna grind 38 rossi arts ill coach <:ICANT:1462962578602070026>
whats dat
i just started on my rossi team so idk much about her best teams
lost raft
The Tidalklast in Umbral Cryostatic Connection, how much DMG Reduction does he apply to himself once he enters the Cryo mode?
outer ermine
whats dat
i just started on my rossi team so idk much about her best teams
tidal speedkill
dry kindle
anyone wanna grind 38 rossi arts ill coach <:ICANT:1462962578602070026>
Fund me
jade hemlock
<:PerliFumo:1148081871855570975> tidal speedkill
teach me the hidden arts 
gritty olive
got help banned dmn
dry kindle
L
merry kite
sheeted worse even when given unrealistic assumptions
how's new umbral testing?
distant python
wish I thought of this lmao
https://youtu.be/Gbg2Y76wto4
Sustain ember is real
Unfortunately you only get 1 ember shield because ember has to build hp and will die to shield the others
dry kindle
mfw you end up learning ae2 waiting for cc release
river ermine
mfw you end up learning ae2 waiting for cc release
hop on relink
dry kindle
hop on relink
proper walrus
drifting quest
useless? no
not worth investing in for most people? yes
drifting quest
how's new umbral testing?
I'm slow to get round to being exhaustive but uh:
Tidalklast is still a p cringe enemy but the fight is like fine. Clear shill for like Laev and arts Rossi but not required to use either.
Quillbeast stage is a boon for any team that wants extra SP (Fangyi, Monophys, Rossi stuff, Tangtang, yada yada) because of how many dodges you can spam
Effigy stage seems to be the usual freebie. Extra summons just feeds more finisher SP. Prob won't do much more on it.
Yet to try others
outer ermine
tidal fun boss pls make more where i just run around and wait to interrupt
woeful timber
Why does swapping Perli from SM to Cata give my Zhuang less energy, I don't understand what's happening here.
drifting quest
sp return
cata returns sp not generate it
returned sp gives no energy on consumption
drifting quest
same for any potentials that return sp
why some of them can brick some rotations that work without the pot
woeful timber
Dang that's rough, yea it looks like this rot falls like 2 energy short of getting ult when i swap to cata its dumb, but if I don't use cata I wont have enough sp to get elect 4 or use deto on perli.
back to the drawing board
drifting quest
roi for deto wont be worth it for cold starts
woeful timber
Well, for a p5p5 Zhuang it was if I could kill tidal in 1 bs, but at this point i don't have the sp to get it if I want sub-60
using 2 Zhuang bs wouldnt be much different i'd just have more time to generate sp but it might add a few seconds.
drifting quest
vibes alone id expect 2 fangyi skills to be more value than deto proc but same issues with sp and cast time are always going to happen
main nova
hop on relink
Impostor Gbf
woeful timber
vibes alone id expect 2 fangyi skills to be more value than deto proc but same i...
More value, yes, but if 1bs is enough with deto and 2 is overkill without then it changes things. I'm just trying to shave off as many seconds on the timer as possible rather than trying to get the most damage from my sp.
cuz 2bs will do more damage, but when i only need to do 1.8m and 2bs do 2.2m-2.4m its a bit uneeded, but without deto 1bs falls like 300k short.
drifting quest
whats the full team
2 bs might let you just skip another buff
and save time there
woeful timber
Zhuang-Perli-Arc-Gil
Maybe i could skip arc's ult
get the time for that
and use a second bs
drifting quest
worth the try
woeful timber
i'll give that a try
Oh i guess this is why that 55s kill used Ardelia instead of Gil, so they could get the susc without using her ult.
outer ermine
use chen
drifting quest
there were a couple clears going around with sm fortmaker chen iirc
using her as a pure stagger bot
lmao
outer ermine
mostly on zfy, rossi, phy teams
there was a weird mf using ember too
but chen supremacy
clear times are floored at 46-49 for no missiles, 53 for teams w/o access to extra stagger
woeful timber
Id have to build Chen, it'd take weeks just to attempt it
edgy crater
mostly on zfy, rossi, phy teams
pysical team too?
outer ermine
Id have to build Chen, it'd take weeks just to attempt it
u just need to lvl enuf for gold and passive
its cheap
yea phy has 46 or 47
outer ermine
whel or not clear
edgy crater
outer ermine
louch is the whel phy but it was w ardelia 2 days ago or sum
daring dove
Started working on this now.... Likely won't use it much but it's Perlica's only decent option on Fangyi team. 
edgy crater
louch is the whel phy but it was w ardelia 2 days ago or sum
yeah i saw it
outer ermine
https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV18J5t6PETC
they popping off
woeful timber
Well, at least I finally got sub-60. Now for sub-50.
woeful timber
What gloves for p5 wedge yvonne
The basic attack ones