theorycrafting

[tight haven]

well

a lot of teams bitched the boss

[outer ermine]

mino was nice to all teams, rossi just did too well

[tight haven]

it was really easy to oneshot

yeah

[gritty briar]

i had fun doing it with 4 stars

[drifting quest]

4-1 ||dog rush||
4-2 ||axebeast + bomb slugs||
4-3 ||quillbeasts||
4-4 ||effigy?||
4-5 ||bunch of mudflows||
4-6 ||tidalklast||

iirc

id have to look again

[dry kindle]

The fuck you mean fun

[outer ermine]

oh ye 4-6

[inland quarry]

It was honestly cool. I didn't go for killing both at once, so it turned into a dps race while dodging them

Although I hear phys teams staggered them into oblivion

[gritty briar]

2-2 gave me entertainment value cause i watched some friends fail to dodge repeatedly

[dry kindle]

Yeah the team with 6 lifts will do that

[thorn shore]

honestly might just run the purple SP set on perlica

for standard play

nothing lasts past 1 rot anyway

omg the team feels so much better for the first rotation

just 50

makes such a diff

[outer ermine]

bro experienced the cata high

[dry kindle]

Its fun n games till they make a gold catastrophe

[grand lagoon]

charging rams is difficult

to team that do NOT bring knockdown, lift, parry, etc

a.k.a
laeva akekuri wulfgard ardelia

💀 💀 💀 💀

(doable ofc, but... its not as easy as those others)

[thorn shore]

timed it and the rotation sped up soooo much

cause i used to wait a smalll bit for SP

like 35s till ult with uge offpiece

name one thing that lasts past a single rotation

i can not

[inland quarry]

Dps teams can do the dps race method. Kill one ram asap, then kill the second through the healing

I did that with lr team and did fine without stagger

[grand lagoon]

yea i also know that we can stall before 2nd spawn (bcs the trigger is hp% not time) so you can prep as much as you want, get the stagger and kill asap

i am juat stating the agreement

[inland quarry]

Ngl I never bothered with the stagger stall

I did dps and winged it lol

Did have to dodge both for a while but not long

[civic wolf]

❌ I can sit on this for the next 10 Weeks.
✅ this is tempting for the next 10 weeks. oh no.

is Gilberta sig worth going after btw or nah not really?

[inland quarry]

I only pulled tt sig after getting zfy, so you'll be fine

[grand lagoon]

depends on how stack you are

i tried with 90 60 60 60 team before

and it became an issue especially at recent umbral, double flamethrower

where my ally die before me

[civic wolf]

wdym i'll be fine? Rossi sig not that big deal or smth

[inland quarry]

Not unless you have tons arsenal tickets spare, it's only really good on a nature dps team

[inland quarry]

Fine waiting to see how good future sigs are

[inland quarry]

Back then I was running lr/xaihi/ard/per with unartificed gear

[grand lagoon]

i trimmed all umbral with bare investment as well, on the day they release

except the double flamthrower, that finally forcefully

need me to raise lv60 member

bcs again i dont bring knockdown lift etc

[civic wolf]

I feel like i'm just lucky/unlucky enough to be at a point where Rossi sig was unachievable during her banner, only to be achievaebla now, onyl for me to decide to pull fangyi because i want to use ars ticket on a seemingly more important sig, and then i got fangyi sig in 2 multi lol

[compact bridge]

Depend on your team tbh, gilb sig biggest value is its ult gain, but we dont have any content that require a lot of energy so its not needed

[inland quarry]

Gilberta usually does fine with uge due to not having much else to build for

If you really need it though, there are other uge arts units

[civic wolf]

i see

any evaluation of Rossi's sig value?

[inland quarry]

It's not useless, but it's probably the single lowest impact limited sig rn

[civic wolf]

i thought that title belongs to Yvonne sig? lol

[inland quarry]

Yvonne sig is what, ~12% team dps?

Gil sig is +-2% iirc

[civic wolf]

OH

you were talking about Gilberta

Sorry, was asking about Rosi

[inland quarry]

P5 delivery>p5 stanza>p0 delivery>p0 stanza

Oh oops, I see now

[compact bridge]

Its also depend on your account, specifically how you manage your bp weapon lol

[inland quarry]

26% personal dmg for rossi vs bp on arts team

13% team dmg

[civic wolf]

P0 GM, tho i can go for P1 GM this BP

[inland quarry]

Note that that's p0 vs p0 on arts team

.

[civic wolf]

I wonder what did it look like for my prev sigs

https://preview.redd.it/complete-tangtang-guide-calculations-math-v0-5iq8vf0nejpg1.png?width=1383&format=png&auto=webp&s=ce2bf87ee47bf9031397e6bb8702aec8972cbe34

What.

I thought TT sig is a bigger impact??

[tight haven]

from p0 to p5 nah

[inland quarry]

That's personal vs team dmg

This is the rossi team dmg

[tight haven]

oh those

yeah

[inland quarry]

I do find it funny that rossi arts teams can just not onfield rossi

If you aren't switching, the best onfield is perlica

[sterile moat]

It does, the team dmg difference for tt sig is higher

[compact bridge]

Team dmg but not mention the team member lol

[inland quarry]

Rossi/per/antal/gil

[dry kindle]

How get 120 pull for cheap 🗣️

[compact bridge]

That surprise me, perlica must be dealing a lot of damage there

[sterile moat]

Hmm the best on field is tangtang because you can animation cancel her

[inland quarry]

Tt isn't on this team

[sterile moat]

Oh for the antal ver yea

[civic wolf]

idk why, but i havent heard Antal being brought up on Rossi until just now

[inland quarry]

He's an electric/heat support, so idk why not

[ocean turret]

ake is just better because of link

i dunno why

[civic wolf]

which is kinda cursed, cuz part of the crappy excuses i make into caving on Fangyi is because i want to use Antal 😭

[compact bridge]

I know antal and gilberta is dealing 0 damage, so perlica is the one that contribute those team damage

[inland quarry]

She does get the finisher

[ocean turret]

someone tried to compare it before

[compact bridge]

Why not utilize rossi and her crit lol

[civic wolf]

wonder if Antal holds up better in Fangyi at least.... probably at least even with Gilberta?

[inland quarry]

Dps basically

[civic wolf]

but anyways, i run TT Rossi so Antal just

[inland quarry]

Same reason you would onfield perlica rather than rossi

[civic wolf]

doesn't fit

[inland quarry]

Rossi in particular has long animations

You can switch to avoid them, or just sit on perlica

Perlica does finisher while rossi ult is running

[civic wolf]

where can i find a good frame of reference for Lava/Fangyi sig difference?

just feeling like comparing numbers

prydwne?? 💀

[tight haven]

laev's sig is annoying to quantify

if you have a p4+ laev it suddenly becomes hilariously powerful since you can build for ult spam more readily without sacrificing too much damage on gear

[civic wolf]

i always assume P0

[tight haven]

in that case umbral is about ~20% worse at p0

and ~10% worse at p5

umbral becomes better the more you allow laev to spam ebs during ult

fangyi i don't have numbers for

[ocean turret]

you have the list of the ops with their basic atk duration?

[tight haven]

her sig is unbelievably strong though

[civic wolf]

wheres the source of this calc?

[tight haven]

iana's old calcs

[civic wolf]

prydwen says 11% for some reason

[tight haven]

it still remains relevant since laev hasn't changed a bit

[inland quarry]

Sadly no

I wish I did

Especially one with animation cancels

[tight haven]

poor girl didn't even get any relevant gear in 1.1 or 1.2

except redeemer chest i suppose

[ocean turret]

all i know ember has the highers stagger finisher

the rest i dunno

[compact bridge]

Arts unit like xiahi generally significantly faster than other weapon type i think

[ocean turret]

[wild rose]

Yeah but less stagger

[tight haven]

@drifting quest do you remember the assumptions pryd made for laev

in any case im assuming they meant umbral p5 is 11% worse?

which isn't too far off

[civic wolf]

no. P0. Team DPS.

is iana's team DPS?

[tight haven]

personal dps

that's probably the main source of the discrepancy

[inland quarry]

Always need to be careful of personal vs team dps

[civic wolf]

https://preview.redd.it/rossi-arts-team-guide-calculations-math-v0-9mayxhjjoeug1.png?width=914&format=png&auto=webp&s=da2370fdbd63873bd4f3b4a3a5954362a39cd0ed

Huh.

im guessing that despite Antal having better numbers, Tangtang is better for general use Rossi teams because well

Tangtang being a spammable battle skiill for damage that handles crowd pretty easily

[inland quarry]

I mean, eh?

The arts rossi team is pretty mid for general use because it's focused on her ult

She has solid energy gain but any ult focused team suffers in general use

[civic wolf]

huh

[tight haven]

it really doesnt if youre using tangtang

tangtang covers your "general use"

rossi backed by gilb + perl is your nuke

[civic wolf]

i got my trim with the boss and i remember the last seconds being that i had a lot of leftover SP that i decided to spam tangtang battle skill lol

[tight haven]

it's a goodstuff team first and foremost but it functions

[inland quarry]

My point is that ult/buildup teams turn into tangtang main dps for general use

So the rest of the team basically stops mattering

[tight haven]

pretty much

it's not really notable to talk about i dont think

[inland quarry]

You're essentially solo tt for general use

[tight haven]

like what does it matter that tangtang ends up taking center stage

[civic wolf]

supreme chief is su🅱️reme dps

[inland quarry]

For general use of my lr team I'm using lr basics with tt everything else. Maybe a precast xaihi bs

[outer ermine]

holo cook zfy gil ard per when

[civic wolf]

oh

[outer ermine]

reject endmin

[dry kindle]

Fund my p5 zfy

[civic wolf]

i figured out what i said wrong

um

[tight haven]

is ard in fangyi actually becoming a thing somehow

[dry kindle]

No

[civic wolf]

i meant to say that is tangtang rossi better for mobbing + boss content than antal rossi is?

[tight haven]

every time i tried it i just ran out of sp for ard

[outer ermine]

its the usual 2 cata slaves

[tight haven]

oh

wow

it really is just for gilbless chumps

[inland quarry]

Zfy is second only to lr in terms of desired sp consumption I think

[main nova]

tang2 being tang2

[tight haven]

nah even for lr you press xaihi

[main nova]

honestly nothing can goes wrong with this cat

[tight haven]

but uh

you dont press any bs besides perl and fangyi

it's about neck and neck for sp greediness

[inland quarry]

If you could, you'd run combo lr. We don't because 3-4 cryo inflictions in 8s is so far beyond our current sp capabilities

[civic wolf]

im coping juuuuuustt a little because part of why i decided to go broke on pulls on Fangyi

[inland quarry]

Lr's sp hunger is so high that the entire concept is theoretical rn

[civic wolf]

is because i wanted to use Antal

[tight haven]

yeah ofc but for the sake of the argument at hand it's relevant

[civic wolf]

i didn't think

[tight haven]

they're both insanely greedy

[civic wolf]

that it seems that Antal's already BiS in Rossi?

[tight haven]

fangyi hates pressing perl's bs

[dry kindle]

Fund me

[tight haven]

amp moment

[outer ermine]

ur gonna lose the 5050

[tight haven]

its hard to beat the goat

[inland quarry]

Meanwhile I got zfy 11 pulls

I'm honestly considering p1 zfy as a result

[outer ermine]

and not to tt

[dry kindle]

[civic wolf]

but on retrospect

considering that like

[main nova]

120 pull gangs 🙁

[civic wolf]

there's a severe lack of endgame

it kinda makes sense ive been going around with TT Rossi

because TT just deals crazy damage without requiring setup

[dry kindle]

Can we buff AUD okty

[tight haven]

idt any endgame would necessarily invalidate tt rossi

tt is stupidly overtuned

[main nova]

i kinda dont mind the current pace, I still believe it is a good pace for casual like me

[civic wolf]

no its more like, TT Rossi is stronger on general exploration use because TT just shreds everything to death

[tight haven]

shes just got "too big to fail" numbers

yeah but i mean, i wouldnt be surprised if in cc we ended up seeing tt rossi in use

[civic wolf]

pretty much a big issue with every DPS so far is like

[inland quarry]

Idk if it's numbers that carry tt

[tight haven]

the team is not terrible by any means

[civic wolf]

you basically need to setup before their BS deals big damage

[inland quarry]

Tt has a bit of everything, which makes her a super general sub dps/support

[civic wolf]

Lava requires 4 stacks
Yvonne requires cryo stacks
Rossi requies elem stacks or is more ult centric on damage

[tight haven]

it's a meme in the sense that there's not inherent synergy and you're just slapping a bunch of ignorant dpses together

[civic wolf]

Fangyi requires ult state

[inland quarry]

She's got aoe, inflictions, cc, and buffs in addition to solid dmg

[tight haven]

but that's fine

[civic wolf]

Tangtang just doesn't play that game

[main nova]

but... i use tt and rossi for cute and funny team

[tight haven]

yeah tt is rly ignorant

[main nova]

tho soup2 mostly did the job

[tight haven]

you can legit slap her in any arts team and it works

[main nova]

[tight haven]

you can even do laev tt and it'll more or less function

[civic wolf]

including fangyi? 😭

[dry kindle]

Fund mine

[tight haven]

yes

people have done it

[main nova]

yes

i use it

[tight haven]

she's gilberta if you squint

[main nova]

soup2 the golden child

truly befitting of the boss title

rossi is ok i guess

but im more comfortable slapping Tang2 in everything

[tight haven]

rossi is just an awkward op still

not nearly nonfunctional like yvonne was before tt but lacking in a good payoff for her vuln stacks not named gilberta

[outer ermine]

rossi stagger slave soon on cc

[tight haven]

true

[dry kindle]

Swordmancer rossi

[tight haven]

i am curious if yvonne is even viable in a cc-like environment

like

any amount of uge down or sp gen down and she sees god

[outer ermine]

itll work trust just how many actions does this mf do

[dry kindle]

If there's uge down

[tight haven]

people were on swordmancer gilb

[dry kindle]

Someone gets a brick through their window

[tight haven]

remember...

theres almost certainly either spg or uge down

[dry kindle]

Uge risks just sounds like absolute cancer

Sp sure

Uge no fuck off

[tight haven]

uge would be a pain in the ass yea

the only team that like

doesnt rly care abt uge down TOO much

is phys

[outer ermine]

shuts down half the top dps lmao

[dry kindle]

Phys still cares

[tight haven]

specifically endmin phys

it does but like

not like yvonne lr laev fangyi

dygwim

[dry kindle]

Xiranite pog 🗣️

[outer ermine]

lr tt can prob still play, depending on how squishy the boss is

[tight haven]

i doubt theyre making that bitch even close to oneshottable

if they do ill fucking cry

[dry kindle]

If r620 is squishy it's gonna be goofy 😭

[tight haven]

yea if the trim risk boss can be oneshot oh my god

[outer ermine]

if lr cant oneshot then it turns into lr subdps tt mdps

[tight haven]

if it is a boss*

[outer ermine]

imagine just elite

[tight haven]

i could see tidalklast with aethillu to annoy you

constant stagger

punish aoe teams

[outer ermine]

race to stagger 50% or get fucked

[dry kindle]

Zzz

[tight haven]

no this is akef

[dry kindle]

Buy me 120

Only 400 AUD

[civic wolf]

out of morbid curiosity, pretty much absolutely no one feels needed rn right? someone with just one limited 6* is able to handle everythig just as well as someone with 6 limited 6*?

just feeling a bit weird that i haven't been able to stop myself from getting every shiny new 6* that shows up 😭

[heady pine]

Someone with fluorite/wulfgard dps can handle everything at this point

[civic wolf]

yea lol

idk i hope endfield isn't doing poorly with their reruns

[heady pine]

Hell u can prob trim everything with oblivion gilberta

[civic wolf]

kinda just

[normal tangle]

nahh her bs animation takes like 3 years

surely not

[civic wolf]

got traumatized recently from wuwa anniv shenanigans

[normal tangle]

no cs either

[normal tangle]

the only “endgame” we have is like 1 wave of enemies with a 10 whole minute timer

you can solo fluorite and be fine

[civic wolf]

where was i

oh right

i need to gather the DPS calc between sig and no sig for all the limited DPS so far

[tight haven]

as kindly as i can put it i dont think anyone gives enough of a shit about endfield to be genuinely upset about something like that happening in endfield

the problem right now really is player retention

it is alarming how often i have to clean out my friends list

[civic wolf]

not even fomo just because you like the vibes of the playing that character?

[wild rose]

Isn't it rather similar to og AK in this aspect

[civic wolf]

i'm moreso referrring to like

[thorn shore]

What was the wuwa anniv drama

[civic wolf]

characters never rerunning in the first place

[tight haven]

ohhhh that bit

with the no 1.x reruns

[tight haven]

something about a lack of reruns, no selector and bikes

[civic wolf]

underwhelming anni, which is whatever

but the part i really care about is the character vanishing from ever reruns

[gritty olive]

which

[civic wolf]

its like how in Genshin

Shenhe havent rerun for 2-3 years or whatever

[thorn shore]

This game won’t have a problem with reruns at this pace

[civic wolf]

WUwa is on their way to have that happen too

[thorn shore]

Not even 2.0 and 2 chars getting rerun

[wild rose]

The fact that a lot of Endfield players quit after giving it a try or quit to come back when the next patch drops

[normal tangle]

brother we in 1.2, we haven’t even gotten ONE rerun wym 😭

[thorn shore]

Gil banner feels like yesterday

[tight haven]

the real fucking truthnuke is that they have to release ops into the standard pool at some point

[civic wolf]

honestly a bit shaken rn cuz now i see the current Zani and Phoebe banner rerun in Wuwa as 'oh. They MIGHT never even rerun ever again. Oh god.'

[tight haven]

having this constant cycling of limited rerun banners is so unsustainable

[normal tangle]

gilb prolly getting thrown in there in 2.0

[thorn shore]

I don’t think releasing into standard pool makes anyone happy, can’t just choose what you want out of there

[normal tangle]

you can tho

[wild rose]

You can't

[thorn shore]

For 300 standard pulls or smth ridiculous

[normal tangle]

game gives you a free selector right off the bat

[tight haven]

well how pgr does it (and i like this) is that every cycle you can pick a frame to rate-up from a small pool of standard pool frames that rotates frequently

i think thats just how you gotta do things

[thorn shore]

For our current standard pool

[normal tangle]

[thorn shore]

If they release them into standard pool then we get a selector

Neat

[tight haven]

like at some point just let people cycle their stuff out

[normal tangle]

it’s possible

[tight haven]

or even how og ak does their standard op banner

random rate-ups

[wild rose]

That would be neat, yeah

[tight haven]

seeing chars just get stuck in no rerun jail for years must feel awful

like what

[normal tangle]

rn i care less about ops than i care about actually having ANYTHING to do with my teams

[tight haven]

yeah this is a like

fifth-order issue

[normal tangle]

i straight up haven’t even bothered to set up my factory at all

my gearless fangyi clears, thog dont caare

[tight haven]

factory this patch feels genuinely just terrible

barely keeping up with outpost demands

its miserable

so goddamn miserable

the cuprium scarcity just does not feel good even if the math is fine

[normal tangle]

real

[wild rose]

Do you enjoy the factory content though

[gritty olive]

no ferrium

[normal tangle]

lately i’ve just been dailyrotting and doing nothing else, which is not a good sign when it happened 2 days into patch release and i still have things to do

[normal tangle]

yes i love factory games

i played the shit out of satisfactory and factorio

i do not have any motivation or reason to interact with this one at all though

[civic wolf]

P0 Char/Wep Team Damage difference between BP/Wedge vs Sig
Laeva: 11% (Prydwen)
Yvonne: 12%. (1% if maxed Wedge LOL) (Maygi)
TT: 11% in Tangtang/Rossi (Maygi) 17% if mainDPS (Maygi)
Rossi: 13% (Maygi)
Fangyi: 21% (prydwen)

[normal tangle]

it’s just

[tight haven]

ferrium is a bottleneck but its not even close to being as in-demand as cuprium

[civic wolf]

i feel like endfield factory being live service based ended up making it more stressful

[normal tangle]

factory sims are fun, but endfield’s just isn’t for me

[wild rose]

It's not a big surprise you're not feeling motivated to play it, then

[civic wolf]

like the concept of sleeping overnight and waking up finding your factory is clogged

[tight haven]

i think theyre just not hitting the right chords with it

[civic wolf]

that thing can happen in endfield

and cant happen in satisfactory

[tight haven]

the scarcity really feels abrasive to gameplay

[civic wolf]

so i ended up playing the game excessively for the last couple of days

trying to get the factory optimize

wasn't fun

[tight haven]

seeing that im barely decreasing the bar for my outposts makes me annoyed

and thats while im also not producing any parts

[normal tangle]

i loved setting up v4 factory as i went through, but that was kinda lost in wuling

the material drought caused by delayed area expansion completely fucks over factory optimization when the resources are so clearly not enough to fit your needs

and there is nothing you’re able to do about it

in v4 you could reasonably set up both gear manufacturing and everything your outposts needed

now i find myself either crafting gear and getting 0 bills, or maxing outposts and getting 0 gear

[civic wolf]

how many hetonite comp do you need this update?

[torn pilot]

nickit did you try antal yet?

[normal tangle]

unless i do some half and half bullshit where my outposts are only getting half cleared but i also have maybe 1 new set every 3 hours

[civic wolf]

everything dies too fast for me to have a measure so far

[wild rose]

How many hetonite components do you really need

[tight haven]

yeah its absolutely miserable

[wild rose]

It can't be that bad to make components for a couple of days then let it as only parts

or other tradable items

[tight haven]

like i get what theyre going for but feeling that i have to choose between production lines defeats the satisfaction i get from factory sims

[dry kindle]

I just batch craft 500 comps when I need em

[wild rose]

True

[dry kindle]

If they add hetonite redeemer gear

I'm gonna go jump out a window

[tight haven]

if they add another tier of comp on top of hetonite for wuling im

abiding by tos

[dry kindle]

I mean we still got like 8 months of wuling

So

[normal tangle]

as long as the component line is self sufficient and doesn’t eat into outposts

surely that will happen

surely

[tight haven]

IT FEELS SO BAD THAT IT DOES

its really NOT that bad since ultimately youre not sacrificing much if youre diligent with swapping lines when youre done making a certain type of comp

[civic wolf]

i do think that endfield's component making is the best it could ever been so far though

[tight haven]

but i haaaaaaate choosing

[civic wolf]

optimized hetopart grind leaves you with a spare xira

spare xira you can actually use for xiranite comp

[inland quarry]

You guys choose between comps?

I run all comps at once

[civic wolf]

you can pretty much use xiranite comp as gear fodder for artificing

[tight haven]

if i ever let an outpost max i kill myself

on the spot

[inland quarry]

I also max outposts

[torn pilot]

same lmao

[tight haven]

no you dont

[torn pilot]

just very slowly on each

[tight haven]

what

[torn pilot]

very passive

[inland quarry]

Yes?

It's quite easy

[tight haven]

are you running like

an insanely slow part line

with a bunch of fractional splits

[torn pilot]

2.5 hetonite/m + 1/1 other components/m

yes very slow

[tight haven]

oh thats miserable

[fossil pendant]

with the new purification units you can save like 30/min xiranite which you can feed into your heavy xiranite line and split half into gearing unit half into protocol stash, and that alone is enough to cap your 2nd outpost without selling yazhen A or heto parts

[torn pilot]

yeah, it doesnt really matter much tho cuz i already have like 40k of each component

i rather be having a teeny amount passively maintaining my stash than eventually run out

[inland quarry]

I run 1/min xiranite and cuprium, 0.1875/min hetonite

[torn pilot]

just my preference tho

[tight haven]

yeah id never do that

[torn pilot]

how ur hetonite so slow

wtf

[tight haven]

more power

[torn pilot]

[inland quarry]

Power is irrelevant below ~13k

[dry kindle]

Oh yeah is the new essence farm meta just spam mortars

[fossil pendant]

yes

[inland quarry]

Nah, spam acid

[fossil pendant]

the mortars are fuckin op

[dry kindle]

[inland quarry]

Mortars are mostly for range

Acid turrets are absolutely busted

[torn pilot]

whats the reason to farm essence with battle facilities?

[inland quarry]

They do big aoe, solid range, dot, res debuff

[torn pilot]

cant u just manual it for the same result

[tight haven]

afking

i

[fossil pendant]

it's literally faster than hitting shit half the time

[tight haven]

i dont get it ill be honest

[torn pilot]

i press tangtang battle skill like 3 times and everything dies anyway

[tight haven]

maybe it is the p5 laev difference

maybe im out of touch

[torn pilot]

more work to set up the afk system than to just use battle skill a few times

[tight haven]

i just dont understand it

[torn pilot]

nah its definitely not p5

all my ops are p0 and i clear that shit in like 20 seconds max

[tight haven]

this is how i see it

[torn pilot]

preach

[fossil pendant]

even if ur not afking it helps clear faster

[inland quarry]

Keep in mind that due to weekly buy limits, we can only consume 0.595/min total components. Even my 2.1875/min is massively overkill

[tight haven]

the towers are not clearing faster than i am manuallt so why would i deprive myself the chance to play arknights endfield by hypergryph and mountain contour

[torn pilot]

yeah true

towers + manual true speedrun

[inland quarry]

Definitely not. Setup is ~3 min

[tight haven]

no i understand this it is just a matter of how it feels

[torn pilot]

plus, the facilities look cool

[warped sorrel]

Me reading spreadsheet guide

[tight haven]

i do not care for the maths

[inland quarry]

You can run components in semi auto mode if you want. I'd honestly recommend semi auto for hetonite

[tight haven]

it feels bad to know my production is that slow even though its realistically enough to keep my stuff going

[fossil pendant]

I just shut my component lines off whenever they break 10k, otherwise I run them 0.75/min

[torn pilot]

me on my way to spend over 700 sanity in the same time it takes you to set up the afk system

for the afk system to clear it slower than i can anyway

[tight haven]

the towers just lower my phone's fps

is how i see it

[inland quarry]

Set up a 6/min system and use an item control port and use it like a requester. When you want comps, set the limit to some value and you'll get that many at 6/min

[torn pilot]

yeah thats fair

[tight haven]

i do use control ports yes

its fine im not looking for advice lol

[torn pilot]

my facotory feels less like a factory if i dont see a massive number in my depot

[tight haven]

just complaining abt how i dislike factory in 1.2

[torn pilot]

so i just keep it running, just cuz

[inland quarry]

700 is a small amount of sanity to spend on essence. Over the course of an afk setup, you might spend tens of thousands there

I run afk setups far past sanity limits as well

They are a great way to fill out the crafting manual

[torn pilot]

whats the point tho

when you could just manual it

[tight haven]

(y'all still filling that out?)

[torn pilot]

besides, the afk setup isnt trully fully afk is it?

[inland quarry]

To afk

[torn pilot]

dont you still have to actually activate the thing

[tight haven]

yes

[fossil pendant]

lowkey the one thing we actually need is a grouping tower

[torn pilot]

therefor making it semi manual anyway

[wild rose]

Do you genuinely not understand?

[tight haven]

look i think they just

enjoy it

its fine

[torn pilot]

no i dont

[inland quarry]

We kind of have one

[tight haven]

deluge tower if you squint

[inland quarry]

But only kind of

[fossil pendant]

the water jets are like

[tight haven]

they dont work against elites

yeah

[fossil pendant]

it works for the tower defense mode bc things approach in a line

[torn pilot]

im level 60 in endfield and i never once considered using the battle facilities to afk the alluvums

[fossil pendant]

but it's kinda cringe for the actual alluvium

[inland quarry]

What don't you like about 1.2 part 1? Personally I think it's a small update, with nothing big. No new logic or paradigms were added.

[torn pilot]

i didnt even know people were doing that till a few days ago

[tight haven]

i explained it above its fine

[torn pilot]

to which i thunk to myself "why"

for a few reasons

[fossil pendant]

someone needs to just shove gilberta into a cool looking machine

[tight haven]

its satisfying

like the ifrit tile thing with the fire tower looks fun

[compact bridge]

They play the game and tried to use its feature lol

[torn pilot]

yeah fair enough

[dry kindle]

I just do it to burn sanity on mobile when im lazy

[torn pilot]

no shade tbh, i just needed to know if i was missing out on smth important mostly

[inland quarry]

I consider energy alluviums to be super boring to fight manually. No mechanics, no rotations, you mash one button because there isn't much more to be done

[tight haven]

youre not

[dry kindle]

and then forget to burn it in the first place anyway

[torn pilot]

hopefully someday they add better reasons to use battle facilities

[fossil pendant]

the effects look pretty cool when they aren't turning your phone into a toaster anyway

[tight haven]

i do em as mob fighting practice for my different teams

[torn pilot]

i dont even do the tower defense mode

[tight haven]

they had these

it was called TOWER DEFENSE MODE

power plateau still doesnt have one

[compact bridge]

Thats a very big loss

[tight haven]

new outpost doesnt have one

its so over

[inland quarry]

You should do tower defense mode lmao. Do it once and get the permenant buff

[torn pilot]

permanent buff?

[fossil pendant]

tbh I wouldn't be opposed to them making a proper endgame mode out of them

[torn pilot]

now it sounds like im missing out

[tight haven]

outpost production buff

you didnt know?

[fossil pendant]

yea man it's like 25% stock bill regen rate at max 😭

[inland quarry]

Yes? Completing auto mode permanently increases outpost stock bill generation

[torn pilot]

no

[tight haven]

bricked

holy shit

[inland quarry]

Damn, straight inting

[compact bridge]

Bricked account

[torn pilot]

atleast this is better than the time i got to lvl 55 before realizing there was an outpost in lodespring

[fossil pendant]

shit map

nobody wants to go there

[tight haven]

lodespring could be so good if it had like

ONE more tp point

in the junkyard area

[compact bridge]

This is more important than that outpost tbh

[tight haven]

its such a pain in the fucking ass to go there

[torn pilot]

[fossil pendant]

I just pray every day that my daily isn't the robots one there

[torn pilot]

how what

[fossil pendant]

i don't feel like taking a hike

[torn pilot]

what is even the buff

i didnt notice missing out on any bills

[tight haven]

ofc you didnt

[inland quarry]

It kinda sucks that you had to pull two limited chars or have a friend who did to get the good zipline setups

[tight haven]

the buff causes them to generate bills more frequently

[torn pilot]

idec about valley bills anymore im permastuck 30m

[compact bridge]

I can permanently close two of my valley outpost if it can give me wuling stock buff

[inland quarry]

The stockade outpost has auto defense, so you lost out on 15% of your income there

[torn pilot]

hmm okay ill have to check it out tomorrow

[dry kindle]

30%

[warped sorrel]

Electrification is bugging rn right?

[tight haven]

tower defense is braindead with the new towers

its fine

[inland quarry]

15%, 20% is from operator

[dry kindle]

Oh it's 5% per level

Bleh

[normal tangle]

?

wym

[inland quarry]

You don't even need them. Just use an old guide, 1.0 towers alone could full afk manual mode

[thorn shore]

It’s already patched + Idk of any crazy glitched zip paths

[inland quarry]

They still exist, they are just limited edition now

[thorn shore]

Only one glitch zip path I use is for the wuling city alluvium

But it was a power bank

Not the inf jump

[warped sorrel]

I doesnt stacking correctly
Sometimes 1+1=1
And 2+1=1

[torn pilot]

honestly i respect you guys a ton for setting up ur ziplines

[inland quarry]

Is this with perlica cs?

[normal tangle]

that’s just perlica cs overwriting existing elec

or arclight ult

[torn pilot]

but i cant find the power in me to vandalize the beautfil world arorund me with ziplines

[tight haven]

do you not do deliveries

[thorn shore]

What else am I suppose to do for content

[normal tangle]

perlica forces elec, she doesn’t follow rules

[fossil pendant]

I only did ziplines for wuling city because I spend like all my time there

and I try to place them unobtrusively

[normal tangle]

if you want 1+1=2 you have to have fangyi cs hit last

[warped sorrel]

Wth

[normal tangle]

the addition effect is fangyi cs exclusive

[inland quarry]

Electrification does not stack at all baseline. Fangyi cs has a special effect that forces it to stack, but reactions by default always override

[tight haven]

i set them up for rare gather points and thats it tbh

[compact bridge]

I used to plan my zipline route, but now I just place it wherever i want lol

[torn pilot]

spending 20 minutes refreshing for 80k wuling bills? lmao no

[tight haven]

ok

fair

[dry kindle]

Zfy doesn't stack either

Its also override

[fossil pendant]

ok it's like 120k now

20 min refresh still painful tho

[torn pilot]

[inland quarry]

Technically yes, she just adds a stack based on existing stacks.

[tight haven]

the refresh game is crazy

[normal tangle]

it’s override +1

[torn pilot]

honestly id rather watch water boil

so i can make some pasta

[dry kindle]

Its status level + 1

[inland quarry]

Damn 20 min for refreshes? Is this an asia server thing? I'm on na and it takes max 3 min of refreshing for all 3 deliveries

[dry kindle]

Current elec level does nothing

[normal tangle]

the same thing, yes

[warped sorrel]

The way to fix this is to swap perli and fangyi positions?

[normal tangle]

pointless semantics

[dry kindle]

Nuh uh

[inland quarry]

No, just time it better

[fossil pendant]

at least they added the wuling filter so you don't have to scroll to the bottom to find them anymore

lol

[inland quarry]

Are you guys refreshing every 5s?

[normal tangle]

just onfield fangyi and you’re fine

[fossil pendant]

idk why 99% of deliveries are still v4 surely people are like done with that zone

[normal tangle]

when you press E on two cs at the same time, the last one goes goes first

[dry kindle]

Just slot zfy before perlica and double tap their combo

[normal tangle]

don’t delay them

[tight haven]

it shouldnt matter

[warped sorrel]

Perli always first and fangyi always later

[compact bridge]

Im pretty sure asia has more wuling job

[inland quarry]

It's worth transferring just for the initial payment, even if no one ever does the delivery

[torn pilot]

honestly i still post my v4 deliveries on job market but i dont have a reason too, just habit i guess

[fossil pendant]

yeah but who needs more v4 bills

[normal tangle]

no, both at same time

perl just naturally forces herself first due to combo timestop

[inland quarry]

You can press fangyi first if you do em in a row

[normal tangle]

or rather, whoever you clicked second goes first

[torn pilot]

i hope they add more cosmetic stuffs to valley shop soon

[civic wolf]

so basically from what i can gather, is sig prio in a theoretical world where you can plan/save/pull for sigs based on number %, Fangyi >>> Tangtang > Everyone else?`> Yvonne``
Laeva: 11% (Prydwen)
Yvonne: 12%. (1% if maxed Wedge LOL) (Maygi)
TT: 11% in Tangtang/Rossi (Maygi) 17% if mainDPS (Maygi)
Rossi: 13% (Maygi)
Fangyi: 21% (prydwen)````

[fossil pendant]

the 10m chubby lung is staring me down

is it worth 80 artifice mats

[warped sorrel]

How to make it work 100%

[dry kindle]

Yes

[tight haven]

yep

[dry kindle]

Just mash combo

[normal tangle]

the same thing i just said

[tight haven]

fangyi's sig is far and away the strongest yet

[normal tangle]

perl just naturally forces herself first due to combo timestop

or rather, whoever you clicked second goes first

[dry kindle]

Where's your p5

[inland quarry]

Huh. Maybe people are using the slow 5s refresh rather than 1-3s refresh

[compact bridge]

Because 100% of wuling job is immediately gone, we have a severe shortage of wuling job

[dry kindle]

Assuming you don't let time stop expire

[inland quarry]

1.2 should help with wuling deliveries due to the second depot node

[tight haven]

dont you always transfer them anyway

[fossil pendant]

there's a second?

is that second half

[tight haven]

sometimes my v4 deliveries will get picked up

[inland quarry]

Yes

[dry kindle]

Imagine doing deliveries

[inland quarry]

It's a decent chunk of income for wuling rn

[fossil pendant]

I don't personally no, I don't even sell to my outposts there anymore

[tight haven]

i dont really have a reason to do anything in v4 tbf

besides gifts

[fossil pendant]

have like 200 alluvium tickets and 500 jakub legacy

[tight haven]

and essence permits?

[fossil pendant]

so no point really

[tight haven]

gifts

always a use for gifts

[fossil pendant]

ops are mostly 100/200 already so I sleep

[normal tangle]

can always produce random shit

cryston bottles, go for it

[tight haven]

lol

[inland quarry]

On avg the 3 daily deliveries is worth around 6.8 hours of outpost generation. That's a meaningful difference

[civic wolf]

so once i hoarded too much xiranite comp, what the hell do i do with my excess xiranite income?

[inland quarry]

Stockpile for event

[civic wolf]

seems like any other possible diversion is unsutainable

[fossil pendant]

only thing I do in v4 still is make steel bottles for the golden tier yazhen syringe

[civic wolf]

stockpile and sell them i guess

[warped sorrel]

I cant perli first and fangyi later?

[inland quarry]

Xiranite sells for 1, event is more relevant

[warped sorrel]

Because sometime i have to do that due to no ult

[dry kindle]

Stockpile gourd mats

[civic wolf]

...

[inland quarry]

Are you not already doing so?

[civic wolf]

i have a question

[normal tangle]

you can, but that’s wasting time for no reason

[civic wolf]

it is THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE

[inland quarry]

I've got my factory set up to stockpile event mats

[civic wolf]

for you

[normal tangle]

is your perlica not running qingbo?

they should have identical cs cooldowns outside ult

[civic wolf]

wait a min i'll go to the AIC

[warped sorrel]

So without ult
Just fangyi skill on 1 electrification?

[dry kindle]

I expect 80k heavy xira and hetonite in valley 4

[normal tangle]

if not like half a second off

[warped sorrel]

I fuck it up sometimes

[fossil pendant]

oh we know the event mats already?

[inland quarry]

I mean... that is doable. Not sure if you can without losing stock bills though

Stockpiling that much is definitely useless, but

[fossil pendant]

is it like a significant enough amount to actually need to care or just set up a temp line for a day type deal

[warped sorrel]

And try to fix it
Now i know it is impossible to fix

[fossil pendant]

though I expect the latter tbh

[inland quarry]

We know mats. Based on the stream, we will likely only be able to sell a certain amount per day. The only concrete number we have is 20k heavy xiranite and 20k hetonite for the trimmed medal

[torn pilot]

The gameplay on it is very poor tho, across the board honestly. Refreshing for Wuling bills feels terrible, also, the deference is negligible when you have enough bills to buy all of the most important stuff, every week, even without deliveries

I think the whole system could use an overhaul

[fossil pendant]

20k hetonite huh

[tight haven]

miserable

[fossil pendant]

better hope that new zone has some more ore veins

[tight haven]

please god just a bit more cuprium

these margins suck

[inland quarry]

Maybe if you've been playing since launch, but even now I don't have enough bills to buy everything.

[dry kindle]

Experimental stuff is just heavy xira

[dry kindle]

Best I can do is 4 nodes

[torn pilot]

Yeah fair enough, they’re a convenient way to earn some quick bills for sure.

[fossil pendant]

I was overcapping wuling bills every week in 1.1 but I don't think that will be the case in 1.2, not with the last 20 artifice mats costing 6mil

we'll see though

[inland quarry]

Eh? 20k over the course of the event is ~0.83/min, less than 20% of our current production

[fossil pendant]

oh it's the whole event

[dry kindle]

Yeah 💀

[fossil pendant]

I figured it was going to be like the cooking shit 💀

[dry kindle]

I'm just praying the outpost boost is like 3x

[inland quarry]

I still have millions of bills worth of stuff to buy and that's without ever buying the expensive engraving tickets

[tight haven]

i get not giving a shit for deliveriee

[inland quarry]

Based on the stream, we get stock bills for selling event materials. It seems likely that we'll be expected to use event materials to buy out the boosted stock bills

[tight haven]

i do it because wuling is very pretty but the refresh minigame is frustrating

[normal tangle]

endmin is working a chinese 9-5 for wuling minimum wage

[dry kindle]

Not even 996

[fossil pendant]

bro I wish I could get paid 400k to take a photo of something

you kidding me?

[inland quarry]

The refreshing does suck, but at least in my region it's short enough to be worthwhile. Most days I spend 2 min total refreshing

[torn pilot]

Yeah and completing the deliveries will definitely help get you there, I am mostly talking from the perspective of someone who bought out the shops already and do so weekly

[dry kindle]

I just don't do deliveries

[inland quarry]

The best part is that you can snipe the photo from super far away and it still counts

[dry kindle]

[thorn shore]

400k rupees

[inland quarry]

You deliver the shittiest photo and still get paid

[fossil pendant]

we need someone to do the math on stock bills conversion to irl currency through like, food prices ingame or something

[torn pilot]

Btw what event are you guys talking abt needing 20k hetonite?

[tight haven]

the factory event

[torn pilot]

[tight haven]

you have to make these stupid gourds

from hetonite and heavy xiranite

[inland quarry]

I like the concept of an aic event, but this one is kinda lame

[normal tangle]

just repurpose your component line lol

[inland quarry]

The recipe is absurdly simple and boring

Takes 5s to set up

[compact bridge]

The important stuff is all the catalyst, plus the bills required for artifice imo

[torn pilot]

Naturally

[inland quarry]

More like disable your component line. Very importantly, the event consumes hetonite, not hetonite parts

[tight haven]

a good aic event would just be a puzzle event

imo

[inland quarry]

Hetonite parts are used for components and selling, but the event uses raw hetonite

[tight haven]

this kinda stuff is just bound to put you to sleep

[edgy crater]

theres already info on aic event?

[tight haven]

datamine

[inland quarry]

Nah, we should be asked to set up much more complex production lines for events

[normal tangle]

?

[dry kindle]

Gourd recipe

All you need really

[inland quarry]

I want to see probabilistic recipes, a la kovarex enrichment

[edgy crater]

send recipe

[normal tangle]

just remove the fitting unit and you’re fine?

[dry kindle]

Die

[torn pilot]

Yeah honestly I second this

[warped idol]

would be better if they provided a special resource so that we dont have to worry about existing producton lines

like in the aic tutorials

[tight haven]

also a good way of going about it

i just do not want to touch my current production for this stuff

[edgy crater]

bruh hetonite again

[tight haven]

hetonite is so fucking lame

[torn pilot]

Hetonite is a pain in my ass

[normal tangle]

just put us in a puzzle sandbox so we don’t have to fuck with our actual factory

[edgy crater]

intentional scarcity

[torn pilot]

I don’t dislike it tho

[tight haven]

1 billion more cuprium for these stupid rocks

[inland quarry]

The point of an aic event should be to build more factory stuff. Providing us with special event materials and asking us to set up a complex production chain would be a good way to encourage engaging with the factory without draining resources from the normal factory

[fossil pendant]

waiter waiter more cuprium

[normal tangle]

aic tutorials but without the tutorial part

also lets them impose area restrictions

[torn pilot]

We haven’t even got more ferrium in Wuling

[edgy crater]

dat better challenge lol

[warped idol]

you make like 40 heto compnent per hour if you dont want your cuprium margins to go negative

[inland quarry]

With special event materials, you could have more complex chains be more efficient, rewarding better production without gatekeeping less engaged players

[tight haven]

i really have to wonder how hard theyre being mechanically limited by aic rn

considering the relatively low facility cap in even the core aic area

[inland quarry]

That's not really a mechanical limit

[normal tangle]

there’s a region cap and an afk cap to aic

so i imagine it’s not very good for them

[tight haven]

theyve spoken before how they cannot make it so thst youre running more than 2 regions' aic at once too

yeah

[torn pilot]

It’s probably not as bad as we might wonder but the potential for it to become a problem exists at a nonzero chance tho

[warped idol]

does relay towers count toward region limit?

[normal tangle]

offline factories for tens of millions of players is taxing

[inland quarry]

That's an artificial cap for performance reasons, to prevent extremely taxing setups

[inland quarry]

Yes

[edgy crater]

w8, which one experimental heavy xira bottle

[warped idol]

[normal tangle]

that’s… a mechanic limit

[inland quarry]

I mean, they could. It would just cost more money that they don't want to spend

[normal tangle]

an artificial limit for performance reasons is a mechanical limit

[dry kindle]

Event thing

[fossil pendant]

running the whole aic system in a game that doesn't go down when the players log off is honestly crazy impressive

[dry kindle]

Just shove heavy xira into the building

[inland quarry]

No, it's just a money saving move. It can be done, they chose not to

[edgy crater]

bruh so new recipe

[tight haven]

it is ballsy

[dry kindle]

The xira stuff is just shoving heavy xira in

[normal tangle]

??

do you think they just conjure servers from thin air

[fossil pendant]

aws has whatever you want if you have the money for it

[tight haven]

either way i would have liked to see a simulated aic thing

[fossil pendant]

that's a lot of money though

[inland quarry]

They can obviously buy more servers if they want to

[tight haven]

just a temporary aic you build from scratch

[edgy crater]

the server cost insta

[tight haven]

complete tasks in a protocol space to expand it

[compact bridge]

Just release a new aic region then, my valley aic is basically bankrupt and ready to permanently closed

[tight haven]

some cool shit

[outer ermine]

do u have rossi

[edgy crater]

no lol

[dry kindle]

Fund me

[outer ermine]

[normal tangle]

i was on board until this

no thank you

[tight haven]

i think it's neat! like etchspace but without the weird ass extraction gameplay

[normal tangle]

i just want something like the bonus goals in aic tutorial but harder and more freeform

[outer ermine]

who on mobile has rossi

[inland quarry]

The most impressive part to me is that belts/pipes actually contain items/fluid. The far simpler to simulate method would be to make belts/pipes have no inventory, which allows the simulation to essentially optimize them out of existence

[normal tangle]

production goals, machine usage limits

pylon limits

[tight haven]

thats another event entirely

[edgy crater]

yeah, but aic on server side should horrible in terms of ram consumption

[torn pilot]

So is fangyi Rossi team truly a whale tech? I kindof want to use them together since I never got around to building my Rossi team before fangyi dropped

[tight haven]

ive always wanted them to make a simulated aic long-term event

[warped idol]

you're not gonna get much value outside of full ult start

Rossi and Fangyi cannibalize each other

[fossil pendant]

contingency contract but for the aic where you have like limited power, belt length, punishment for clogging modifiers

[normal tangle]

what, like an aic endgame event?

[fossil pendant]

[normal tangle]

will there be aic shill buffs

[main nova]

do you have valentino rossi

[tight haven]

yeah, again like uh

if you played og ak, like reclamation algorithm

[dry kindle]

No

[normal tangle]

i unfortunately have not played ak

[warped idol]

do we really want fog of war in endfield

[normal tangle]

well technically i have but only for a few hours

[tight haven]

okay im not gonna even attempt to explain RA then

[warped idol]

you can only see 10m in front of you

thats the only explanation you need

[tight haven]

no not that part of RA

[normal tangle]

isn’t it a top down game

[tight haven]

the whole, expanding from a forward base part

[normal tangle]

how does that work

[edgy crater]

RA == minecraft but worse

[fossil pendant]

I live this every morning before I put on my glasses

[normal tangle]

ohhh so it’s like

clash of clans

[warped idol]

basically map is still there but enemies and resources are hidden by fog of war that only clears when an operator is near it

[tight haven]

kiiiiiiinda?

yeah its like clash of clans sure

your "aic" gets attacked by raiding parties and you occasionally have to defend it

thats where the turrets come in

[main nova]

why you have to suffering like that

[inland quarry]

That would probably be enough to keep me playing alone if it were good. If we can get probabilistic recipes, logic based multi factory logistics, and linear algebraic recipe solvers I would be over the moon

[normal tangle]

wow i got that right on the money, i’m so good

[warped idol]

it's like uh minecraft but with base defending

[tight haven]

okay but we have the lv3 lamps

[sterile moat]

@dry kindle 1 min clear with lvl1 weaps

[tight haven]

just make a bunch of lv3 lamps 4head

[dry kindle]

🥹

[inland quarry]

You know, maybe that's what we should theorycraft

Zfy but with lvl 1 weapons only

Or 3* weapons only

[warped idol]

I swear if RA comes here before IS does

[normal tangle]

why do rossi players never time cs

i see this so many times

[dry kindle]

We had roguelike in cbt

[outer ermine]

dont need vuln

[fossil pendant]

if you don't need the extra vuln it's a waste of time

[dry kindle]

Fuck knows what happened to it

[warped idol]

how does that work?

[normal tangle]

but the extra dmg from lift proc

💔

[dry kindle]

Idr

[warped idol]

[outer ermine]

u only cs2 for the buff

[sterile moat]

yes, you only time cs2 if you can get the vul buff

[tight haven]

my hot take is that i think IS would translate poorly to EF

[warped idol]

I think IS will work fine as long as you're not required to level every operator

[tight haven]

if they do make an "IS" then it would like

be IS only in that its a roguelite

it wouldnt adopt all the systems we have come to associate with IS like retroactive operator promoting

[gritty olive]

the zzz roguelite

[sterile moat]

how the fk am i 1 min clearing with lvl1 weaps...

[outer ermine]

oh holo can u try something on mobile rq

[sterile moat]

hmm?

[tight haven]

me when i have multipliers

[outer ermine]

alesh ult
alesh+rossi bs
all 3 combos
then rossi ult
as fast as u can

this one is somewhat inconsistent in mobile but good in pc

just wanna see something from someone else pov

[dry kindle]

Ew

Shatter

[sterile moat]

is it ult start?

[outer ermine]

yea

[sterile moat]

on mobile right

[outer ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/panto-pt-ajitani-hifumi-hifumi-blue-archive-gif-5264665088346427047

[normal tangle]

me when i arithmetic

[inland quarry]

Is sundered prince really best for ember?

Why not exemplar?

[dry kindle]

Me when I crit gamble

[vague schooner]

Hi, i found this on X and want to ask about Qingbo Gear Pack set on Tangtang, like is it improve her personal damage? [Tangtang is at 3rd Potential w/ Brigand's Calling Max Potential]

2nd image is my current Gear equipped

[sterile moat]

oh wait, all 3 cs?

[inland quarry]

Afaik qingbo is a downgrade for personal damage

[outer ermine]

oh mb w estella and endmin

[inland quarry]

You'd use it for faster rots

[outer ermine]

wait for alesh bs first b4 rossi bs

[vague schooner]

ooh i see, gotcha 👍

[inland quarry]

Bonecrusher has 15% atk which is quite good

[sterile moat]

do you need all the combo skills to be pressed as well

[outer ermine]

yeah

[outer ermine]

estella cs was a bit slow missed to proc wolven

[sterile moat]

ahh

[main nova]

sundered prince double the attack of final hit, like literally double all those buff u gain

[inland quarry]

Exemplar gives a passive 39% atk

Which is higher than r4 sundered prince buff

Exemplar's effect is meh, but it's a massive stat stick

[main nova]

i still like prefer my gambling crit on final hit, tho if we looking at consistency, exemplar might be better

[inland quarry]

I suspect any situation in which ember is genuinely useful, exemplar wins

Sadly no such scenario currently exists

[edgy elk]

hey @outer ermine does alesh have batk cancels

[outer ermine]

not that i know off

[edgy elk]

damn

[outer ermine]

pretty sure his bas are singles

[edgy elk]

yeah

and he takes his time too 😭

kek it's fine

[civic wolf]

do u think lv80 supports become important enough to get at any point? or nah not really

[fast ledge]

Why fangyi no damage???

[civic wolf]

im still holding up my streak of having every operator in the game and i think Gilberta Perlica and co are gonna remain in lv60 for a VERRRYYY long time

[civic wolf]

i need help TCing my arsenal tickets LOL

Assuming Rossi takes me full 8 issue tickets

am i able to afford sig day 1

the next time i had to pull for an upcoming character next version

[dry kindle]

🗿

[compact bridge]

0 pity on next 6* ?

[civic wolf]

0 pity yea

[compact bridge]

100% enough to get the next sig day 1 lol

[civic wolf]

but if i win 50/50, or got an early 6*?

would i get myself into yet another 'oops not enough ars ticket for sig LOL'

[compact bridge]

You need to pull until dossier at least

[civic wolf]

hm.

is there a calc of credit shop ars ticket income somewhere?

just wanted to estimate ars ticket entirely from free pulls or whatever the fuck from the rest of this month

[compact bridge]

Just assume its at least 200 per week

[dry kindle]

200 💀

[civic wolf]

pretty sure its more than that if you cred shop maxxing

which si what im doing

[dry kindle]

Actually over a week yeah probably

[compact bridge]

I mean its a gamble

[dry kindle]

Just be luckier

[compact bridge]

I do try to maximize my credit, but its not like a consistent

[outer ermine]

i can give a ref if u were still working on it finally free for 2hrs

or sin where tf ru do u have rossi

[compact bridge]

Some day i spent most of my credit for oroberyl too

[sterile moat]

I havent re tried it yet

[outer ermine]

ye no rush, worst case scenario ill have to grind on pc

or

[civic wolf]

found a spreadsheet that tracks the damn thing lol

it always shows up on increments of 25, right?

24880 + 2425 (number i estimated from cred store and weekly0 + 380x3 (min pull from joint ops banner and the next chartered + dossier)

yeah ok i can totally get by LOL

2k more from a new 6*

ah dang

that's like 1,2k short at earliest possible moment

so its only safe if i wasn't extremely lucky and early lucksack i guess

[outer ermine]

finger tech

2 in a row, it works