theorycrafting

[daring dove]

Me

[trim fjord]

god this factory is too complex for me to understand as pengmin

[dry kindle]

ok p5 rossi

[dry kindle]

0/10 not gtnh

[bronze plume]

Tbf its a whale only team so

Makes sense they like it if they have a p5 rossi

[terse valley]

https://tenor.com/view/gregtech-gif-4329130639578356000

[bronze plume]

What even is that

[fierce bane]

was enjoying gregtech but the food was so much of a hassle, kept having to focus on food instead of doing the fun tech stuff

[bronze plume]

Actually

Domt aenser

[trim fjord]

still majority of this modpack consist of gregtech

[fierce bane]

stoneblock 4 is prob my favorite modpack I played this year

[dry kindle]

just get healing axe

[trim fjord]

imagine as pengmin we built modules for our factory down to its raw components, including wiring, motor, vaccuum tubes, chips and stuff

[daring dove]

Same team I have been using but I don't really think it has overall good synergy.

Replace Fangyi with Tangtang & the team is better.

[fierce bane]

welp. thats good to know. Ill definitely go straight for this when I play it again lol

[bronze plume]

The syngery is the p5s clearly

[terse valley]

three arts unit and one feral unit

[dry kindle]

synergy is money

[trim fjord]

i'll probably look a proper npc mod for star technology so i could add perlica and chen in my world

[fierce bane]

rossi and gilberta go well together aesthetically

[dry kindle]

commit to the bit

ysm

[vivid hamlet]

probably right but it's still fun

also yeah with p9 rossi anything goes

[bronze plume]

I mean the thing with that team is its rossis best team but fangyi not tangtang

And its fangyis best team but rossi not arcloght

Best as in "best"

Its literally just each others "best" team -1 op add pots and shock

It works

[vivid hamlet]

i also got built tangtang and arclight so i just alternate

[dry kindle]

its also just

2 unit with big number

vs enemy that dies in a minute

[sterile moat]

Then again everything dies in a minute

[dry kindle]

cc soon

surely

[sterile moat]

Cant believe you cant see her hairpin well in all 4 team positions

[tulip plinth]

need anyone feedback on....
ZF/Perlica/arclight +

• Avywenna (ive maxed her without JET on day1)
  and or
• with Akekuri (already built, and i dont like alesh or antal)

Lastly, how big is
ZF first, then perlica combo vs
Perlica first, then ZF combo

thx in advance, everyone

[bronze plume]

use ake using avy is just neg sp on negative sp

[tulip plinth]

;w;

i like her tho
but yea, i can see that 1skill, will mostly be used during CRUCIAL moment (which is ZF ult duration), where akekuri, while doing nothing, passively boost SP regen is really huge, her ult and stuff is also awesome for ZF ult nuke

[daring dove]

Gotta rely on the frosted tips at that point.

[bronze plume]

also you want to use perlica first then zfy

perlica cs = more electrification = more swords = more dmg

[tulip plinth]

i really like her pose at 1st pos too T^T

[tulip plinth]

but isnt it like, for next?

if ZF first?

[bronze plume]

as long as when using zfy bs its consuming at least lvl 2

its chill

(i think dont quote beef for any advice)

i just realized something

we gopt reception room fast place in arknights for en server

same time ef got it

i see you HG

[daring dove]

Kinda like this new setup for Perlica, she can have nearly 170 ult gain thanks to Gilberta.

[main nova]

can antal heal proc chivalric?

i just want the atk bonus

[daring dove]

I think it's just Xiahi that can proc it but don't quote me.

Going back to this team anyway Fangyi is good but not quite good enough in 1.2, she's missing a key support to make her excellent.

[leaden tartan]

It says "skill proves hp treatment" Antal's heal comes from a talent. So maybe that's a critical distinction.

I guess that would be the same for Ardellia.

[main nova]

🤔 but doesnt antal potential make the amp has heal? i dunno, i probably try test it out

[daring dove]

Ardelia can't use it either.

That's correct

[main nova]

the antal case is kinda weird

since the amp. become pseudo heal right? supposedly

[leaden tartan]

What do you mean by pseudo-heal?

[main nova]

its become somekind of heal by antal

the wording said "antL restores the said team mate"

[leaden tartan]

Yeah, the source of the heal is antal's talent.

[main nova]

so i just assume, its antal doing the heal

may proc the chivalric(?)

[tranquil cedar]

Does Tangtang prefer qingbo or bonekrusha now?

[main nova]

hmmm

[bronze plume]

depends on rots team comp yada yada etc

[leaden tartan]

Yeah, complicated question.

[tranquil cedar]

TLDR? xd

[bronze plume]

tldr. both good for different scenarios just try qingbo and see if you like using it more

[tranquil cedar]

So the number are close enough

Guess I will focus artificing on Xaihi new bis then

[leaden tartan]

The condition of it even being comperable at all depends on your actually hitting the combo skill procs on time. Just keep that in mind.

Also p1 should help.

[tranquil cedar]

I have Soup P2 actually got spooked again on viceroi banner

So yeah the idea is that you have to keep the buff rolling to be better

Wierdly enough it should be easier if I use Tangtang onfield

Guess I need to finish M12 and artificing this. (Need more Tcrest man)

[leaden tartan]

As long as you're using it after a combo skill it should have full uptime. Because your downtime will happen during the CS cooldown.

The real loss is 15% attack.

[tranquil cedar]

Fair enough

[grim hill]

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but shouldn't Aspirant be better? Like most of chen damage is her ult right? And Aspirant can stack up to like +145% ultimate damage.. While SS only give 56% attack.

Yeah it means SS have more consistent damage but lower burst damage? while Aspirant have higher burst?

[leaden tartan]

Where is Glorious Memory?

[grim hill]

maybe havent been update, but GM would be better than SS and aspirant right?

[sly jewel]

I asked on #help and got redirected to ask here, also if you know documentation about formulas in the game that would be cool too

[sterile moat]

Also rossi's sig is better than everything above p3 for chen

[grim hill]

wait so rossi sig is P3 then better than everything?

[sterile moat]

Yea

[grim hill]

or p0 is better until other stuff is p3 above?

oh

[sterile moat]

P3 beats p5 of everything else

Otherwise glorious memory is the best in most realistic scenarios

[grim hill]

eh I only have p0 rossi sig, also feels wrong stealing her weapon lol

I do have p0 GM and P5 SS

[sterile moat]

P0 sig... technically better in 0 ult starts

I tested and hitting 16 stacks in 40s is realistic

[smoky quarry]

Is that prydwen?

[grim hill]

so basically SS better consistency but GM better ult

[smoky quarry]

Gm has higher dps with yinglung set on average

noticeable difference

[leaden tartan]

I assume anything with Lupine Scarlet assumes you're on-fielding Chen.

Oh wait... it's skill. Won't matter.

[gaunt mason]

pretty much

[smoky quarry]

Rapid Ascent P5 used to be whale alternative, but now is is just BARELY better than p5 GM

[gaunt mason]

anything that buffs ult gains value in ult start content

and the faster the enemy dies the better ult becomes

[gaunt mason]

en translation is wrong, it’s just when the operator does crit damage

[bronze plume]

this is prydwen

[smoky quarry]

SON I AM CRINE

GM NOT EVEN MENTIONED

[daring dove]

Classic exmple of a weapons sub-stat not matching the operator intending to use it. If you swapped Rapids 19.5% CR for 39% ATK it would absolutely dominate everything except for possibly P5 Rossi sig.

[grim hill]

I saw in game8 website it use swordmancer set as the "best"

[bronze plume]

they dont update there shit if i had to guess

[smoky quarry]

Swordmancer has more stagger, yinglung has 20% more damage

[dry kindle]

isnt chen back on swordmancer with the knives

[bronze plume]

think so

[smoky quarry]

Idk, iana not updating guides anymore. There's no trustworthy information now

So I will trust the old one

[grim hill]

Hm....havent unlocked all the end gear lol, just got to wuling

[gaunt mason]

if minmaxing ult damage yinglung still slightly edges it out

but for most people yeah just use the new swordmancer stuff

[smoky quarry]

damn, people who artificed chen's set twice feel bad rn

[leaden tartan]

If it's to the point where you're worrying about stagger windows then everything is just out the door anyway.

[smoky quarry]

I don't play on phys and I never see staggers

Simple as it is

[dry kindle]

average phys L

[gaunt mason]

they’ll put will ai on frontiers one day

[daring dove]

I wouldn't artifice the entire PHY team until we get the first 6* limited character intending to work with them. Because no doubt they'll get a new set as well.

[pure spoke]

guys did perfect dodge always recover sp?

[daring dove]

Kind of your own fault

[grim hill]

if chen use yinglung, then which part she use? I only have 2 still locked

[pure spoke]

i could swear it didnt

[smoky quarry]

You mean 6 star replacement for chen? Cause everyone else in the team is already six star

[gritty briar]

has since launch

[dry kindle]

yes

[pure spoke]

what about beta?

[gritty briar]

idk

[dry kindle]

cbt1 didnt even have perfect dodge

[bronze plume]

gang you played in the beta

[smoky quarry]

I heard it doesn't recovers it, but buffs regen rate

[pure spoke]

cbt2 tho

[bronze plume]

well it wasnt a thing in cbt1 so

[pure spoke]

i just found out 1 sec ago it does recover sp lol

[dry kindle]

it gives 13sp then pauses sp regen for 0.5s or something idr

[daring dove]

There isn't a single one of those in the PHY team rn.

[dry kindle]

its on the sp sheet

[smoky quarry]

Mhm

[gaunt mason]

offset redeemer

[smoky quarry]

limited 6 stars are whalers anyway

I'll stick to defaults

[grim hill]

wait why is it red....?

is that artifice effect?

[gaunt mason]

you haven’t gotten to wuling?

[dry kindle]

do the story 😭

and tech tree

[bronze plume]

theres difference pieces for sets in wuling

[grim hill]

I got to wuling, still advancing

[gaunt mason]

just use the swordmancer stuff you have now then

[grim hill]

oh ok lol

[gaunt mason]

don’t bother artificing anything

[grim hill]

yeah I havent even unlock all gear yet, some people is still in their lvl 50 gear

[main nova]

yeah this game equipment story locked and factory locked

[leaden tartan]

What I'm wondering right now is if I should put Qingbo on my Perlica AND Gilberta to match combo skill cooldowns.

[dry kindle]

mayhaps

no uge kit

[grim hill]

also also, if I use perlica as solo support in LR team is WW "the best"? Cause she is there mostly for her combo

[dense plank]

stanza

[dry kindle]

stanza

[leaden tartan]

That would be the off-piece.

[grim hill]

but stanza is only active from ult right?

if you're not using ult then Wild wanderer is "better"

[gaunt mason]

ww only buffs elec and phys

[grim hill]

oh

god so much reading

[leaden tartan]

Detonation unit and Stanza are generally useful in different teams. Because to apply arts burst efficiently you would need same element, which is what Stanza doesn't want.

[elder skiff]

isn’t this that dumbass web called game8

[bronze plume]

looks like it

[tulip plinth]

how big is the differences of using Ult eff gain piece for fangyi, compare to none but with lynx

[daring dove]

You can run, ult gain hands, ult gain chest, double slab & not lose much damage at all compared to the no ult gain set.

The question is does the additional ult gain meaningfully help you hit better breakpoints.

[maiden mirage]

where is iana ;w;

[bronze plume]

iana quit

[maiden mirage]

the game?

[chilly bolt]

quit since long

[bronze plume]

no tcing

[distant python]

do i have to use yinlung or can i stay with my swordmancer stuff

[tulip plinth]

that means no set? just pure stats? bcs ive been reading 3 loop rotation and its either enough to fully charge ZF ult and not ;w;

i have yet build her, im preparing

3 loop i mention is

perlica skill
zf combo perlica combo

total 3x

[daring dove]

Yeah, you basically swap 30% DMG / 10% ATK (set bonus with average results). For 26% main attribute. So you don't really gain too much from the set bonus anyway.

[main nova]

i meant, she fill her ult really quick

[tulip plinth]

oh thx math wizard, i think ive also read aboout DMG% being dilute or washed comapre to ATK%
hmm hmmmmm

[leaden tartan]

Honestly, if there was a correctly statted version people would be running M1 on her.

[main nova]

perlica is really strong in terms of keeping both stanza and her p5 crit potential for full rotation

[tulip plinth]

also, does using fully built avywenna works with fangyi?

if i use fangyi perlica akekuri avywenna (i think akekuri helps that SP regen so much?)

[lost raft]

how many ATK did main stat and sub stat gave per point?

[tulip plinth]

u can hover the stats, and it will let you know the %

[drifting quest]

.5% per main
.2% per sec

[smoky quarry]

She does, but she kind of steals this slot from someone who could have been more useful in this team

[lost raft]

tyvm

[sturdy hill]

1k will on ops that have will as main stat is like

solid 500% increase

[summer narwhal]

With the physical damage Swordmancer Armor, did Chen get a new armor piece?

Or just keep her with the older one with Arts intensity?

[warped sorrel]

Fangyi with bp require antal to work?

[drifting quest]

No

[tight haven]

her talent provides elec amp

[drifting quest]

It helps stack but isnt mandatory

[tulip plinth]

ummm so who did you mean?

i think ppl also debate arclight is not doing much, her giving MINISCULE sp even when she spam combo is kinda meh compare to akekuri INT SP regen. I dont really want to opt antal as i have bad experience with him (esp, back on day1 with laev team)

[warped sorrel]

i got this info from supah

[drifting quest]

That was your mistake

[tight haven]

arclight is unfortunately still a very good slot in the team

her ult is a free stack that can help you recover if you mess up or apply elec during mob fights where the enemy who had elec died on you before you could ebs them

[tulip plinth]

well, i can decide to do, fangyi perlica arclight akekuri, or swap arclight with full built avywenna

[tight haven]

she has a lot of applications and will get you back into the ring more effectively than akekuri

[dry kindle]

Why pulls so expensive smhsmhsmh

[tight haven]

which is what a vanguard should do

i think akekuri is only viable for fangyi either in double vanguard comps or in speedrun comps for her link

[dry kindle]

Double vanguard just uses alesh

[tight haven]

yeah

akekuri just never feels correct imo

[tulip plinth]

ewww alesh

[tight haven]

you can use her if you want

dont expect her to pull her weight with fangyi

[dry kindle]

Fund me

How many is it even for 120

[warped sorrel]

What shop is this

[tulip plinth]

@tight havenso what comp did you personally use? and what gear, set or double lynx

[tulip plinth]

in game shop

[dry kindle]

What the fuck do you mean it's 400 aud for 120

[dry kindle]

Top up site

[tight haven]

xiranflow with 1 lynx slab

comp is arc perl gilb

[dry kindle]

Why this so expensive waaah

[tight haven]

perl slot 1 gilb slot 2 fangyi slot 3 for the sake of ordering combos

[dry kindle]

Ewww

Zfy after perlica

[tulip plinth]

ah right, got no luxury to even consider gilb (no gilb)

[tight haven]

you can use antal instead

or even tangtang if you raised her

[tulip plinth]

i havent test her, im on preparing to build fangyi, but .... does pressing fangyi 1 combo and perlica 2 combo at quick succession , still giving perlica first combo hit ?

[tight haven]

no

[tulip plinth]

nope, never gonna use antal

[tight haven]

fangyi's will apply first

it messes up your combo ordering

or rather, it can

[tulip plinth]

damn other ppl spreading misinfo

;w;

[drifting quest]

its last in first out

for the most case

[tight haven]

yeah

[drifting quest]

so fangyi > perlica ordering
will mean perlica > fangyi hit

[tight haven]

wait what

[drifting quest]

because of how the timestop works

[tulip plinth]

oh

so its correct?

[tight haven]

yeah i tried it in-game and it bricked my elec stacks

are you sure

[tulip plinth]

i havent test it so

[drifting quest]

sometimes it just messes up anyway

when the coding breaks or something

[tight haven]

yeah fairs

[drifting quest]

but for like a normal circle stage fight

it should work like that

[tight haven]

if anything ordering perlica first does allow you to slightly delay fangyi's combo

so your stack doesnt get bricked

[drifting quest]

all you do is like

[dry kindle]

If you mash combo it usuallyTM works

[drifting quest]

wait a second yeah

anyway

[tight haven]

yep

unfortunately only fangyi's combo has the status level increase

it's annoying

[dry kindle]

Fund my p1

[tulip plinth]

i really like fangyi position 1 tho
kinda reluctant to switch or giving up that pos 1

[dry kindle]

Can we buff aud okty

[drifting quest]

assuming you dont misplay

fangyi 1 perl 2/3/4 is ideal

ymmw ofc so like

just test it

free will

[tulip plinth]

guess ill have to test it myself if fangyi combo and then perlica combo (this is timestop, so perlica should HIT NOW , suppose.....)

[tight haven]

it should but it can mess up

it definitely did for me

[tulip plinth]

damn

[dry kindle]

Just be luckier

[tulip plinth]

ok sooooo guys, i think .... i really want to go the path of fangyi + avywenna + perlica

[drifting quest]

then do it

[tulip plinth]

do i slot arclight or akekuri?

[tight haven]

arclight

[drifting quest]

ake for short fights arclight for longer ones

[tight haven]

you can try it yourself

akekuri will not feel good

im telling you this now

shes only a speedrun bot

[tulip plinth]

i dont get it why ppl said avywenna is dps loss in some... yknow... ytub (tho i always dont believe yuttuber unless they are math wizard themself)

most fully built avywenna is insane even without team buff due to her solo contribution (with her lance on field)

[drifting quest]

roi
you cant buff avywenna in a fangyi team the same way you would in an avywenna team so the damage is inherently gimped
running avywenna as a slot means not running a unit who can expedite or buff fangyi which gimps fangyi damage too

you also then have to find the time to invest 100sp into avywenna

[tulip plinth]

cool, since akekuri is already raised on laev team.... avy had her own team.... now im trying to build fangyi from scratch (just got her today, bcs usually pull on 3rd day)

[tight haven]

avywenna just isnt very good yeah

fangyi is much like laev and lr in that a team with her will demand all the resources from her teammates

[drifting quest]

its like fine its just like

[tight haven]

they will only be there to give her buffs and sp

[drifting quest]

why would i bother trying to use a knife when i have a gun

i would rather invest my time in loading the gun

[tight haven]

yeah avy does something rather than doing nothing

[winged delta]

Which characters provide the best SP(for ult regeneration) without using their own SP? As in frequent easy combo.

[tight haven]

from my love testing though, she is unironically worse than tangtang

[sudden geyser]

Does Antal with qingbo set work with zhuang?

[tulip plinth]

akekuri

[tight haven]

depends on how easy it is to stagger in a stage

[winged delta]

Remove akekuri

[tight haven]

if ake can spam combo then akekuri

oh then pogranichnik

not even close

[winged delta]

I'm knowledgeable about her alrdy

[tight haven]

but hes locked to phys teams

[dry kindle]

Surely nothing goes wrong if I pull p1 zfy

[winged delta]

Rn I really enjoy lavabean and got Fangyi

So I'm wondering if I can rotate main dps with each

[sudden geyser]

If you want

[winged delta]

And use one sup each for regen and enabling them

[tight haven]

alesh is technically the best vanguard for pure sp/sec if he can constantly trigger combo AND land the rare fin

(which is not happening)

[winged delta]

Per say lavabean+wulf+fangyi+ ??(perlica?)

[tulip plinth]

[tight haven]

laev is not doing anything with fangyi

do not even try it

[winged delta]

ik

but trying doesn't hurt in anyway since i have both built

[tulip plinth]

im here trying to do avy + fangyi

and then there is lava + fangyi

[tight haven]

then perlica

[sudden geyser]

Honestly I’ve seen someone do Rossi gilberta Perlica and fangyi
Clear the new boss in 41 seconds

[tulip plinth]

kekkk

[tight haven]

rossi is much different than laev

not an accurate comparison

[winged delta]

Thing is maybe I can regen the ult of one while I'm using the other. Scuffed on paper for sure.

[tight haven]

that team really only worked because it was a speedrun

[honest hill]

If both are P5 it works

[tulip plinth]

1 thing for sure, fangyi is dead without perlica so, both are locked as 1

[tulip plinth]

p5 gaming..... be like 20s clear

[tight haven]

if the stage dies in one ult cycle then the team appears competent even if it really isnt

[drifting quest]

another day we wait for a replacement to iana's doc

[tight haven]

once my current business trip is over i swear ill make it myself

ill just like

[drifting quest]

clueful

doesnt really matter until next unit i guess

[tight haven]

ask lin and maygi for their help with team maths for anything they did already

this is getting really exhausting lol

[drifting quest]

https://www.prydwen.gg/arknights-endfield/characters/zhuang-fangyi
is fine for fangyi

[tulip plinth]

pls mention me when the sheet is done

[tight haven]

yeah i saw that

[drifting quest]

just ignore the tier list, and a lot of the old units

[tight haven]

its very good

[honest hill]

If you have P5P5 it all works out

[drifting quest]

lin wrote a good chunk of it

[tulip plinth]

but i guess i will be able to test fangyi + avywenna anyway, bcs i had avywenna built p5 since day1

[drifting quest]

it will clear

dont get me wrong

fangyi is her

[tight haven]

yeah

fangyi is really hard to mess up

as long as shes with perlica she will perform

[drifting quest]

assuming we get a sufficiently cracked premium support in future its not unrealistic for avy to be a bis 4th

[dry kindle]

Fund me

[drifting quest]

but thats pretty baseless speculation

[errant patio]

what weapon is good for Rossi if I don't have her sig?

I got her in Fangyi banner

[drifting quest]

bp

[dry kindle]

Mifu electric trust the process

[errant patio]

okay

[drifting quest]

its the expected norm

[errant patio]

also should I build ember, also got her.

[tight haven]

no

[drifting quest]

if you want to

[errant patio]

nah I dont

[drifting quest]

then there's no reason to

[errant patio]

I aint gonna build Rossi for now even, maybe in future

[tight haven]

she has some extremely extremely cope applications as a vuln stacker in phys teams

[errant patio]

my Surtr team is built, gonna finish up my Fangyi team and then will think about next one, maybe a physical team

then I'll build Rossi

[tight haven]

as long as you got pog and lifeng phys is on the table

[errant patio]

Lifeng I have, I can use selector to get Pog

but thats for later

[dry kindle]

Where the packs when you need em

[errant patio]

I dont have Thermite cutter tho, should've bought it

[tulip plinth]

most people suppose to get it from their box

[daring dove]

Double dps comps usually don't do to well. Unless the second DPS is also a support which Avy isn't. But yeah definitely in the cracked premium support waiting room. Realistically the 4th slot will likely remain Gilberta though.

[tight haven]

probably didnt check which to get

[drifting quest]

double dps comps are more common than hypercarry comps

[dry kindle]

Or yk

Zfy rossi

[errant patio]

my dumbass got that spear instead for Lifeng 😭 since he was my only dps back then

[tight haven]

i made the same mistake

well

[dry kindle]

L

[tight haven]

i mistook former finery fir thermite

LOL

[dry kindle]

Ok you stupid

[drifting quest]

there's not even any comps that are exclusively forced into hypercarry anyway

laev and fangyi have plenty of dual dps stuff at varied investment levels

[daring dove]

I guess Rossi isn't a support who can act as a secondary DPS. Although she does support Gilberta. Tangtang definitely is a support who also acts as a DPS though. I guess a lot of it is just arguing over the definitions of words though which I don't like to do.

Rossi I'd grant is more of a DPS though who has very limited support capabilities.

[rich linden]

so whats best fangyi team

[drifting quest]

if you're calling tangtang a support because she has buffs then avywenna counts too

[tulip plinth]

fangyi perlica period

[rich linden]

im almost done levelling her

[tight haven]

fangyi perlica then pick two from antal/gilberta/arclight/alesh/akekuri

[warped sorrel]

Hypercarry that has support utilities are count has sup dps?

[drifting quest]

no

[tight haven]

fangyi perlica gilberta arclight is my preferred comp

[drifting quest]

main / sub dps are whatever way you want to use them to organise units

they're constructs

[daring dove]

This is why I avoid getting into arguments over nebulous definitions. People have their own definitions of hyper carriers / supports / sub-dps. It's pointless to debate them honestly.

[drifting quest]

gotta stop taking things seriously

it aint worth it

[daring dove]

Even HG can't really keep their their character roles making sense. Striker / Guard / Vanguard ect. The only one that's been somewhat consistent so far is strikers with their absurd ult costs & selfish gameplay.

[bleak herald]

what if nefarith is still alive? cuz she fell down into the blight tide

[gritty briar]

except da pan is a striker with a pretty normal ult cost

[drifting quest]

no body no death

[daring dove]

There we go, none of them make sense maybe Vanguard....

[bleak herald]

imagine the plot twist lol

[warped sorrel]

I mean
Look at Their og ak

[drifting quest]

character classes are super lax anyway

[tulip plinth]

OG AK has 3* that can clear almost everything

[drifting quest]

its not like any unit in a class does not fit the requirement for that class

[tulip plinth]

meanwhile, if you do gacha game like this.... you cant, u will need lv90 max investment

[daring dove]

For me I feel the character the game is most sorely missing right now as a generalist Arts SP generator that's actually good. Maybe like Akekuri before they nerfed her.

[drifting quest]

nothing needs investment like that yet

l60 teams have been trimming for months

[forest lily]

fangyi is like the cheapest team in the game

you max fangyi and then everyone else can stay unupg for most content atm

[drifting quest]

laev's cheaper, if we're being technical

[gritty briar]

fangyi gonna solo anyways

[forest lily]

she still exists?

[drifting quest]

mostly free units vs easily gacha'd units

[forest lily]

i havent heard of laev in ages

[drifting quest]

she's competent still yes

you just only hear about whats modern

its a gacha

how often do you hear about monophys, lr, yvonne, etc. these days

outside of mains

[daring dove]

I'm preparing for the level 90 meta.

[forest lily]

i talk to sin,

dont you worry, i hear about cryo

[drifting quest]

doesnt make the teams any less viable its just people will naturally only discuss what is new and shiny

[forest lily]

why is everything +5

[tulip plinth]

like yea, if you see literally every giant game, genshit, wuwa, zzz, hsr, all gacha game

they benchmark their game with lv90 max investment for main dps

[smoky quarry]

Would be hella funny to get event legendary from first 5 pulls. Something tells me that it is restricted in the code though

Never trust the casino

[daring dove]

Why wouldn't it be

[drifting quest]

ignore the thousands of people who do it every banner and post it

unless you mean p5

in which case i mean some people have posts of getting 3-4 in 10, yet to see a 6 in 10

[honest hill]

Keep going

you'll never stop P5'ng

[smoky quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fallout-new-vegas-intro-video-game-speech-gif-8179674230722638513

[daring dove]

Wait until they drop the first 6* limited husbando who isn't a broken support character.

[forest lily]

Is there any actual info on avy in zhuang teams, i swear it just dosent fit for any content outside of rho which is why ive not put it in here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_4X60VnI64Ova1mvMEoAAIZBpSZkC5BfJkQIXYsnSJM/edit?gid=0#gid=0

but people keep asking for it to be in, and i dont know what to do even do with it

avy dosent seem efficient enough in zhuang team

[honest hill]

nah I doubt you'll stop P5'ng

[drifting quest]

same logic as dps perl

[forest lily]

for anything except rho who dies to a single burst anyway

[drifting quest]

it can technically go faster in short timelines

its not invasive in longer timelines but can somewhat slow down loops

roi isnt typically worth it unless you have a premium avywenna or something

[forest lily]

i just dont know whether to put it in or not

it feels like id be recommending the wrong thing

[drifting quest]

guides are opinionated it's a matter of how exhaustive you want to be

[forest lily]

i dont mind putting in info, aslong as its correct and worthwhile. avy dosent seem to be worthwhile

as much as i love avy, i cant see it feasably working, especially in 0 ult start from cc, etc

[drifting quest]

its comparable to like ardelia tangtang rossi etc

as a 4th

they work but have caveats

if you're willing to work around them and have the requisites then it works

mileage will vary per player

[lost raft]

Arts DMG deal would be similar to "heat damage deal" or "Nature dmg deal"?

[real mist]

do we have a BiS for fangyi team yet or no.

[drifting quest]

Theres no such thing as bis

Its all conditional

[drifting quest]

They are the same bracket yes

[daring dove]

The one that has the least flaws & is the easiest to play would likely be Fangyi / Perlica / Gilberta / Archlight.

But it doesn't mean it's the best.

Fangyi feels very much like a character that's missing a premium support rn.

Maybe even two of them honestly.

[real mist]

ah she really is a laev 2.0 with all that jazz

[daring dove]

To be honest 90% of the games teams rn feel somewhat incomplete. Fangyi just adds another to the list. With a roster of on 26 characters we still have plenty of holes.

I just hope we start getting more characters that fill in the holes, rather than create new ones like Fangyi.

[real mist]

I'm not really fond of learning a rotation of a char with an "incomplete" team, maybe I'll wait it out with the next livestream before using fangyi.

my laev is still benched rn lmao

[bronze plume]

tbf

you can call anyone incomplete even when we get better teammates for them

cuz they can always release someone better

or release a dps that makes the that other dps obsolete

[daring dove]

I experimented with her a bit, she's fun even if her current state. But yeah hopefully 1.3 brings an improvement because the team has issues with downtime right now. At least with Leavatain you could make it so you could spam your ult over & over due to her ult gain mechanic. Fangyi needs someone to fill in for her downtime.

Tangtang would be ideal if she wasn't the wrong element.

[real mist]

my tangtang main dps will carry me until the game gonna need 2 teams for endgame.

[fossil pendant]

please don't invoke 2 team endgameslop

[bronze plume]

fine you get 3 team endgame

have fun

[tulip plinth]

2 tower that needs 2 or more team

slop

[bronze plume]

electric 6 star support who does electric infliction and team ult regen

peak

[tulip plinth]

[real mist]

dam imagine needing 2 teams, I don't have 2 perlicas

[lost raft]

tyvm

[drifting quest]

What do you even play then? No team is 'complete'

[fossil pendant]

frankly I'm also a big fan of them not hypertailoring characters to each other

[lost raft]

some do feel more set in stone tho

[real mist]

I play the easiest as of now , then decide to play the complex one if they ever have one . Which is why I probably gonna stay tangtang for long, she's just so easy to rotate

[fossil pendant]

which is often how you get a complete feeling team

[drifting quest]

Which is a subjective measure and fine as one

[daring dove]

Yeah for me a complete team is simply one without any major flaws. For example Tangtang / Rossi / Perlica / Gilberta. About the biggest flaw that team has is the lack of a dedicated healer but the meta isn't in a place that requires one anyway. That'll be my main team until Fangyi gets something that fixes her downtime issues.

[real mist]

dam fangyi kinda mid in overworld then?

[gritty briar]

my most complete team is z7 team
pretty sure they don't have any more members to add

[daring dove]

Not mid, just nowhere near Tangtang tier, so if you're used to Tangtang overworld she'll feel that way.

There is one place Fangyi feels really good though.

Etchspace Salvage, once you have the buffs that increase SP re-gen & give you ult gain on mob kill.

She plays excellently there.

[bronze plume]

its a shame etchspace is

played once then never again

do wonder what they will do with it tho

[real mist]

didn't they just increased a level before or did it always have level 4

[fossil pendant]

I hate it

[gritty briar]

etchspace? it added level 4 previous patch

dunno what we're at now

[amber vapor]

Fangyi rotations are so flexible it makes combat so comfy

[gaunt mason]

hg's going to copy wuwa's 6 team endgameslop just for you

[drifting quest]

6

[fossil pendant]

[bronze plume]

1.0 was levels 1-3
1.1 was level 4
1.2 was level 5-6

since cbt2 when etchspace was first announced we knew there was 6 stages

[drifting quest]

Of season 1

Or map 1

They teased a second etchspace map

So it'll be forever

[amber vapor]

Yeah the Valley Aberrant is now complete in 1.2

[drifting quest]

Wuling aberrant next ig

[amber vapor]

I assume so

[smoky quarry]

god, please no

[bronze plume]

praying it revamps it

[hollow swan]

does anyone know if the combustion dot updates dynamically with stat increases?

[amber vapor]

We did get some lore implications though from finishing the valley aberrant

[drifting quest]

Snapshot on application

Afaik

[fossil pendant]

ngl I skipped that dialogue so fast

[hollow swan]

that's really unfortunate if true. im not sure how to test it myself.

[bronze plume]

wouldnt you just

apply the dot

then buff self

see if dmg of dot increases

if yes it doesnt snapshot

[hollow swan]

right. i guess i could like use xaihi bs to apply amp while the dot is active and see if that affects it.

i have chiv so that will give me atk as well

it just doesn't make sense to me how hot work and rational farewell give bonuses after applying combustion. like i want those buffs to apply to the combustion wtf.

[oak vigil]

Okay I have missed a bit methinks, hi hello I am back-

We got new support electric if I understand correctly? Does she work only for electrical teams?

[amber vapor]

The story in general is hinting about ||the exclusion zone(s) and how the Aether space distortions are ramping up in activity a lot. We passed out from the sudden space distortion when we were exiting the subspace due to the Dijiang facing towards the polar exclusion zone during a schedule scan|| - essentially crazy spacial interference

[civic wolf]

kinda paranoid about the idea of pulling for fangyi only for the next banner char to be the very character that fixes that issue 😭

[lost raft]

I take this is "futurefield", no?

[amber vapor]

No you already take Aether dmg

from enemies

But could hint at a character like Ardashir or perhaps some other Aether-arts wielder

[civic wolf]

is Fangyi's downtime even with Perlica in the team that bad?

[oak vigil]

Mhhhhh either it will be just a separate element in like future, either some operators will deal aether damage (either not confirmed btw, just a blind guess)

But as of currently your operators can take aether damage from some enemies/gas

[gritty briar]

Poison gas stages make you take aether damage

[fading dome]

What is this channel for?

[amber vapor]

Her downtime is very subjective

[gaunt mason]

it updates in real time anyway

[amber vapor]

It depends on how you do your rotations

[oak vigil]

Theory crafting for teams and damage calculations mostly

This is like #team-build but way more indepth if it makes sense

[bronze plume]

well the

"way more indepth" is dying as of late

[gaunt mason]

in depth where

[hollow swan]

oh it does. thats good to hear. id just heard it was snapshotted.

[oak vigil]

Eh, happens, can’t theory craft for eternity lol

[bronze plume]

that and

[daring dove]

This is why I have been telling people on the fence just wait for the 1.3 livestream, her banner will still be there when 1.3 character livestream drops.

[bronze plume]

all the known tcers dipped outta the channel

[civic wolf]

No.

[gaunt mason]

could easily test it with like perlica bs > akekuri bs > wait for combustion dot start > perlica ult with stanza

[civic wolf]

can people stop thinking this

[oak vigil]

Okay look, we must discover more stuff in this kitty pool, trust me

[civic wolf]

the joint ops banner

last for 3 weeks

until the patch ends

.schedule

[spring vault]

this is 3 days in, not a month

[civic wolf]

fuck whats the command again

[daring dove]

How long is this patch supposed to be then. Because Fangyi's banner lasts 33 days.

[civic wolf]

49 days.

[bronze plume]

.roadmap

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086659785580545/1493970217259368538/cal_en_US.jpg?ex=69e19070&is=69e03ef0&hm=052afddc6528aa38ffde70f70d0dbaf8ec00c26959f667bbbf0eaaa3b85f1da3

[daring dove]

Ah it's an extended patch....

Screwed then.

[amber vapor]

Been testing the rots for Fangyi team (Fangyi, Perlica, Arclight, Alesh). I always start with Perlica BS, but instead of chaining both Fangyi and Perlica CS together I do Fangyi CS -> Fangyi BS -> Perlica CS -> Fangyi BS -> Alesh + Arclight CS. Instead of getting 3 blades, which is sometimes inconsistent in practice, I end up with 4 blades and the downtime feels less bad.

[daring dove]

Man that's a big content drought.

[civic wolf]

i wouldnt say its that big of a droguth cuz im pretty much occupied with clearing the avaialble content for like

3 days

mostly factorymaxxing

[gaunt mason]

oops sorry just saw this ping
depends on weapon ig, the difference between sets honestly isn't massive

most of it is where you shift damage over a whole rot to (old swordmancer set spreads damage out a little more, yinglung/new swordmancer shifts it towards the ult) and the gap between all 3 sets closes if chen is your controlled op

so basically the faster you can kill the more value ult damage gear gains

[civic wolf]

so its not like there's nothing to do

[amber vapor]

The wait for Contingency Contract will be worth it trust /j

[civic wolf]

but yeah endfield not having proper form of patch events is getting ridicilous

[bronze plume]

once 2nd part of 1.2 hits

[civic wolf]

WHICH IS 4 WEEKS AWAY BTW

[bronze plume]

ill care about using those bigger reactors to save space

[amber vapor]

Only one gacha I've played in recent times has nigh endless endgame grind and that's CZN

[daring dove]

I guess the assumption is the second part drops on 12th of next month?

Sorry the 14th

[amber vapor]

Yeah

Hence why most max optimization blueprints are "modular"/unfinished rn

[bronze plume]

yeah cuz we get 4 more sky forges

[amber vapor]

Since test site or whatever is the next zone

[bronze plume]

right now you can get away with not using the new reactors

but come next update you wont have enuf space probably

[fossil pendant]

we're going up to 12 forges?

[bronze plume]

4 sky forges take up a lot

yuh

[fossil pendant]

christ

[amber vapor]

The main bottleneck rn is cuprium

Because hetonite takes so much

[daring dove]

That'll be nice, if we get more ore we can 1.5x our battery production then.

[fossil pendant]

yea my 180/min is going to 6/min yazhen A and 1.5/min hetonite part

[bronze plume]

also depends on if we get development level increase in 2nd half

[amber vapor]

Though if you have excess space you can just create a surplus of liquid heavy xiranite

[bronze plume]

and if that increase cuprium as well

[fossil pendant]

I think it's optimal to just drop yazhen A though

[amber vapor]

You can run it still

[fossil pendant]

hetonite is like 10% more stock bill per unit cuprium

[amber vapor]

Just 3/min or so

[fossil pendant]

yea just depends on what we get in new patch

you can cap out rn anyways so

[amber vapor]

I pray to god they actually automate farming

Because sure we got a new fertilizer but

It's a pain to manually tend to the farms

[daring dove]

I'll do that once I have 5-10k of the new components. I can't see myself needing more than that, as you're not going to craft them for artificing anyway.

Too many resources wasted for artificing materials.

[fossil pendant]

I'll allow having to manually germinate but why tf do we have to water each plot for the first grow cycle

what are the sprinklers doing

[amber vapor]

should take ~7 days to get like ~8k components

[amber vapor]

nah coz why tf do we not have irrigation channels

we have the pipes and pumps

literally all we need is to dig the channels

[daring dove]

Yeah I''ll likely re-work my factory next weekend. An then focus on something new like Heavy Liquid or whatever.

[civic wolf]

im still trying to see if Antal can possibly be more... favorable? than Gilberta in Fangyi team

Apperently since Fangyi's ult state is very long, you really wont be able to make most of it cuz Gilberta ult only last 5 seconds? Antal ult effect last for 12 seconds

so i wonder if Antal would be overall better or nah not really?

am i missing something here

[fossil pendant]

antal costs you another sp bar

[amber vapor]

You can create heavy xiranite rn and not impact your hetonite component output

[daring dove]

Yeah I'm still creating some rn.

[civic wolf]

only if you're bossing right? im assuming that trahs mob usually dies fast enough that ist not even worth antal skilling

[amber vapor]

I am not a number cruncher but generally speaking Antal nor Gilberta is not needed

[fossil pendant]

you'd never want to use antal on trash anyway realistically

[amber vapor]

Unless you really want the extra amp

[civic wolf]

im ruminating on getting fangyi specifically because i really really want to use Antal somewhere

[fossil pendant]

the problem right now largely just that fangyi is one sp greedy bitch and most of the fourth slot options not named gilberta want an sp bar to be able to use their buffs

[civic wolf]

i have Lava but she's the crowd control char so i never really thought about using Antal with her

[amber vapor]

This is what I'm currently running

The "downtime" is really just waiting on CS refresh

[amber vapor]

Well this game is most pretty flexible with team comps

Sure there's a mathematic max which is based on a very specific comp + gear

[civic wolf]

is Antal holding up better in Fangyi than he is in Lava at the very least?

[amber vapor]

But given the relative ease of all the content you can just play with what you have/enjoy

I haven't tested with Antal and I don't care to personally

[civic wolf]

i honestly like, dont care about anything else rn, god i just want an excuse to use ANtal somewhere LOL

[amber vapor]

But I feel like Antal would slow down rotations

Because he's competing for SP

[fossil pendant]

antal requires p1 zfy or uge on her to maintain a 700 sp rotation

[gaunt mason]

there's someone here that uses dps antal
geniunely you can run some bullshit and clear everything with ease, this game doesn't demand much from the player

[bronze plume]

dps antal works decently because of his stagger dmg bug

actually wonder if theyve fixed that

[civic wolf]

yea ik but i'm making a pretty weighted decision here over pulls given how fucked the pull economy is

[gaunt mason]

that was fixed in feb

[civic wolf]

(also i'm paying for monthly pass so)

[bronze plume]

just whale

get characters

then you complain about wep banner when going for the p5 weapon

big brain

[hollow swan]

Antal doesn't need the enemy to stand in a debuff circle

[gaunt mason]

if i go for gilberta later this patch i'll run dps xaihi

[fossil pendant]

lowkey whaling in this game is more attractive to me for the fact that I can buy progression mats with quota than it is for having stronger characters

[amber vapor]

I hit max pity on Laev and then when I did the Wuling story I swore to save up for Fangyi. Ended up getting Fangyi in 20 pulls and her sig in 50 pulls. Now I have 130 pulls in reserve.

I can guarantee another sig too

[winged delta]

I did the same, did you buy monthly pass? Because I have a lot more leftover.

120 pulls for lavabean. 44 for Fangyi and I have 200 left.

[civic wolf]

max pity Laev (+ Yvonne)
max pity Gilberta
50/50 win Tangtang
early loss and early win Rossi (80 pulls)

[amber vapor]

I bought the paid battlepass only at the end of the patch cycle when I was like lvl 55+ on the pass.

[civic wolf]

kinda wanted to skip fangyi but uh

[winged delta]

okok, I think that's where the diff comes from

[civic wolf]

originally

[winged delta]

I had monthly and BP

[amber vapor]

Yeah I only buy BPs in all games

[civic wolf]

but they're denying me from being able to see what the next banner even is before fangyi ends

[winged delta]

Are you pulling Mifu

[amber vapor]

nah imma save up for Sui Proxy

[civic wolf]

I mean. I make pull decisions based on kits.

TOO BAD I CANT SEE THEIR KITS

[winged delta]

ay

[amber vapor]

and our vamp boyo

He prolly is late 1.3

[winged delta]

Mifu is either good for Fangyi or a main DPS and I'm craving for the release of the main DPS in physical

[hollow swan]

Fangyi is really good imo. I like how mobile she is.

[winged delta]

So I'll get her regardless

I don't get Fangyi, no artificing and she has 6k atk

How's that fair. Haven't test yet but if her multipliers dont have much to envy others.

[amber vapor]

Have you seen the adverts they've done for her?

[winged delta]

She's gonna implode everything.

[amber vapor]

She's the "wife" of the current arc

[lime bear]

1.3 mifu and vamp trust

[amber vapor]

They really want her to sell well

[lime bear]

then 1.4 proxy + lizhiyan

[civic wolf]

im pretty sure the same argument can be made for everyone else so far that isn't Yvonne

[amber vapor]

Prolly gonna be Mifu and Sui proxy

[limpid shadow]

HG money printing litmus test

[winged delta]

Who do you guys call Sui proxy

[civic wolf]

nah im betting on another 1.0

[limpid shadow]

13th

[civic wolf]

all 3 banners in one patch

[drifting quest]

Datamine very much seems to confirm 1.3 banners

[civic wolf]

17 days each

[limpid shadow]

she can complete the trio of the Y sui siblings

Yu

Yi

[amber vapor]

which is...?

[limpid shadow]

Ye surely

[drifting quest]

||mifu vampire||

[lime bear]

i want to pull gil but

gonna need to wait for 1.3 dev

[winged delta]

Gil being such a QoL pick yet hard to assume pull-wise

[amber vapor]

Interesting... Considering the fact that the end of the story rn hints at ||Sui proxy arriving in a few days||

[lofty frigate]

is there any info on which one will come first

[drifting quest]

No

[amber vapor]

1.2 part 2 will prolly be filler

[lime bear]

I'm worried 1.3 gonna have either Laev supp or Fangyi supp

[lofty frigate]

aw

[lime bear]

my team I have doesn't really need Gil

like Fangyi and Laev

[limpid shadow]

no new 4/5 stars in sight
OG Arknights threw them literally every event at us, oh well 🚬

[civic wolf]

sauce???

[winged delta]

Lavabean does not need an extra Sup.
If someone can outshine the current ones the support has to be insanely good tbh. Game has not reached a state yet where people can make full premium teams. Akekuri/perlica etc. are still mandatory picks in many teams.
So I don't trust that.

Fangyi possibly ye

[lime bear]

3d gacha moment

[drifting quest]

||cg in the files with both||

[limpid shadow]

there's an image being shared around

[normal tangle]

laeva has no dmg buffs on her team

[rugged vale]

5 stars yea but 4 stars are kinda rare in ak

[lime bear]

🤫

[normal tangle]

it’s just sp and inflictions

[winged delta]

What do you run as 4th slot?

[amber vapor]

3D games take a lot more time and resources so the same amount of time and money it takes to make a 4/5* is prioritized towards a 6*.

[winged delta]

Lavabean has dmg buffs

If anything 2/3 sups do that

[limpid shadow]

dw I get that, the 6* make more money so obviously they'll prio

[normal tangle]

i mean ig if we count ardelia

[amber vapor]

Corrosion consume with Ardelia technically

[winged delta]

I use Akekuri Gilberta. You pretty much have a perma debuff/buff on enemy.

[amber vapor]

and "link" Ake

[winged delta]

Without consuming SP.

[normal tangle]

i was referring more to buffs than debuffs though yeah

[winged delta]

Debuffs = buffs

[normal tangle]

nuh uh

[winged delta]

Not much of a difference. It's only about mathing and multiplicatives at that point.

[lime bear]

1 new 5* before 2.0 trust

[limpid shadow]

surely

[normal tangle]

buffs affect everyone, debuffs affect a few enemies

[lime bear]

also what's the deal with vamp boy

[normal tangle]

matters in aoe content

[lime bear]

mifu and proxy makes sense

[normal tangle]

idk we haven’t seen him yet

[lime bear]

why does a random ass vamp appear somehow

[winged delta]

It is the same outcome you look for. I make no difference if I buff lavabean or debuff the enemy. The best result dmg wise gets the spot.

[lime bear]

😭

[normal tangle]

wait for 1.25

[amber vapor]

Same species as LR i believe

[winged delta]

Because there needs to be a story after Wuling is my guess

And with how nerfertarith seems to be Arc1

And ardashir looks like a vampire

Next story arc goes that way?

Blind guess

[normal tangle]

ardashir is already talking about his home of golden deserts or whatever

[lime bear]

he's sarkaz but they have different categories

[normal tangle]

so 90% chance we’re going there

[lime bear]

that's in Terra bruh

[limpid shadow]

they're both royal court lineages

[lime bear]

his home in Talos II is in Kjers or something

[amber vapor]

I mean the lore assumption is that global tensions iin the civ belt are on the rise with the increase in Aether activity causing major spacial distortions, epsecially in the exclusion zones

[drifting quest]

Kjersch

[amber vapor]

All the patches up to now were introductory world building

[limpid shadow]

the Sanguinarch was a whole mood in ch13/ch14

could the upcoming vampire match his aura

[amber vapor]

The climax of 1.x will def be the exclusion zone

[lime bear]

Wuling story is not done, we still have the North Exclusion Zone where the Very Large Rift is

that's gonna be the final final patch

with Proxy helping us

[normal tangle]

what is the Very Large Rift translated as in CN? it seems like a very dumb name idk if it’s just a localization error

[amber vapor]

and assumably Vamp boyo coming as a diplomat

[drifting quest]

we're probably going up north
Kjersch should be there
Sami is there
Rhodes Island might be there (Pog is up north)
Ember should be up north too
M3 went up north to meet who may or may not be Priestess
the Star Gate is up there anyway, assumedly
Tutorial sequence was up there
etc

[amber vapor]

You would hate to see how silly real life naming convetions are

[winged delta]

That's my point tho. It ends after and there needs to preparation for a new arc.

[amber vapor]

Scientists love to name things literally or use latin script

[lime bear]

I'm way more curious about this random ass lore I found exploring the Market Stone quests, basically before 1.2 story he talked with some kid and drop a lore bomb. He wasn't alone when he crossed from Terra to Talos II, two other companions who???

[normal tangle]

latin would be preferable to very large rift

[normal tangle]

who is “he”? endmin?

ardashir?

[amber vapor]

Ardashir was a "Pasha" in Talos II, which is pretty much a desert lord (loosely translated/paraphrased)

[drifting quest]

It used to be somewhat open access, pioneers freely came and went. So like it's interesting to know there were companions but it also doesn't exactly mean anything right now because they could have been anything from Royal Guards to friends to random people

[amber vapor]

Basically an arabian oil price

[amber vapor]

Knights of Steel are also at the very North at the front lines

Ember being a retiree from there

[scenic karma]

i hope the next dev log comes before fangyi’s banner ends so i can decide if i want to pull for more pots

[drifting quest]

Part of my issue with the writing so far is how a lot of it feels like nostalgia bait because we have all these references with no real payoff to most of them
But hindsight will be hindsight and they might all be well written payoffs

[amber vapor]

Idk I've been able to gauge the story pretty well, having only ever played AK when it originally released (and only for a month)

[rugged vale]

theres like 0 reference to ak lore

I mean some here and there

[lime bear]

the AU is interesting

[amber vapor]

Minus etymology yeah

Or certain historical figures

Which is obviously intended

[drifting quest]

Sui Proxy
Aradashir being a Pasha/Padishah
Assimilated Universe
Reconveners/Rhodes Island
Kjersch
Sami
Priestess stuff
M3
etc etc

[lime bear]

I mean Feranmut and Sui Proxies are like major AK stuff

[drifting quest]

if it werent so frequent it might not bug me so much

[rugged vale]

yeah but its not very relevant right now

[amber vapor]

I do think there should be an official compendium that connects previous to current lore

[drifting quest]

im sure many of them will have appropriate explanations but it just feels like being nostalgia bombed when they keep dropping stuff and then having no explanations that feel sufficient right now

early days and all

[amber vapor]

Or do what other gachas do during dialogue and give interactable subtexts/footnotes

[fossil pendant]

hell even the tutorial section was like pure ak nostalgia bait

[amber vapor]

other than digging through sparse "media" for crumbs of lore

[lime bear]

it's still build up stuff, and since this is the same timeline not stuff like hsr and hi3rd alternate timeline thing, they still need hold for proper pay off for the lore. I mean OG AK is still ongoing after all

endfield is like almost spin off pseudo sequel

[drifting quest]

hi3 and hsr are the same timeline fwiw

[normal tangle]

as someone who does not play or know lore about ak1, it certainly does feel like buzzword salad

especially the most recent ardashir monologue

i don’t know anything anybody is saying

[lime bear]

yeah but like there's some difference here and there

[amber vapor]

it certainly does not help that they rewrote the intro to the story like 2-3 times

[drifting quest]

i can imagine its not great for non ak players

[lime bear]

it isn't rewrite more like they just haven't revealed stuff

I mean the whole intro thing was different for each tests iirc

the Priestess monolith thing wasn't there

[normal tangle]

no they did rewrite it i think

i remember people complaining about the origin of dijiang changing

[amber vapor]

CBT1 and 2 had more somber and grounded stories

Especially the very first few hours

It's akin to WuWa's story rewrite from CBT to release

Which I can attest to since I beta tested WuWa

[normal tangle]

maybe that’s just what players want

[amber vapor]

There's an easily avoidable oversight they run into when they try to make the initial hook more lighthearted and less "real"

[normal tangle]

if two different games had a similar start in beta and ended up a similar way, they must have gotten similar feedback

it’s what the people want i suppose

[amber vapor]

in WuWa CBT Rover was treated with suspicion and scrutiny from arrival

But once he actually does shit that scrutiny is gone

The rewrite completely removed that

From what I read about the Endfield CBT we start off with us crash landing and getting saved by Gilberta

Hence why she is injured and then takes a while to recover

As seen in her companion quest

But the disconnect narratively occurs because of the prologue rewrite not matching the character quest

Can't blame then though since Devs are always on strict deadlines and crunches

And it's easier to release an unfinished product and "fix it" overtime since the average gacha player just likes a quick dopamine injection while not thinking about their spending, however small or large

[civic wolf]

worth mentioning that the scrutiny apperently was extremely excessive in general

characters killstealing from Rover too when Rover does all the fighting

so it's just ass writing

Sanhua ready to throw hands againts Rover even though Jiyan is RIGHT THERE with them 😭

[amber vapor]

Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with rewriting/editing story from cbt to release

I mean the whole entire point of playtests is to test anything and everything while getting feedback

It's just the awkward pandering they do that undermines the personality the story could convey originally

[civic wolf]

idk the setup is just ass cuz the hostility is just never warranted

[amber vapor]

Well that's literally in character with Sanhua given her position and power

And the scrutiny she employs is still evident in the release story, albeit greatly diluted

Anyway yap over

[civic wolf]

ok but she senses Rover being there or smth right? why is she boutta throw hands with him? Did she not sense Jiyan being there too? Is she stupid??

[amber vapor]

Last point - she peers into the soul of those she observes with her eye (by reading their source frequency). But she doesn't rely solely on one way of verifying one's character. Hence, she "tests" others.

And iirc Rover's frequency is a void, aka the unknown. Not being able to read the unknown is equivalent to pandora's box, hence the aggressive scrutiny.

[civic wolf]

anyways tangent over

i wanna

crash out about how in HG's effort of making absolutely sure there is no leaks

or well

tease ANYTHING

i'm incapable of being excited for any of the upcoming characters

not even mi fu

[drifting quest]

too used to hoyo esque marketing

[civic wolf]

no listen

gimme a bit

even with Mi Fu

we're straight up being denied from even seeing the full extent of how she fights

😭

[drifting quest]

i wonder how the gauntler brawler shown to punch things and infuse her gauntlets with electricity/fire fights

[civic wolf]

like

cmon man

SHOW US A LITTLE

Rossi was at least given a scene but it only feeds into the theory taht she's supposed to be a 1.0 character ngl

[gaunt mason]

gacha players vs being patient

[civic wolf]

no this is endfield being endfield, 7 weeks with no main patch event is... yea

[bronze plume]

i can see why you stopped making that doc

[drifting quest]

not worth the time

its hundreds if not thousands of man hours

[bronze plume]

make a google doc

[drifting quest]

given my misgivings with the community im not doing that for free for some of these people

[bronze plume]

simply just going way to in depth on support and dps ardelia

battlepass for life if you do frfr

[drifting quest]

if i were a CC making decent side money off it i would have but like

it would be basically all of my free time

[thorn shore]

then become a CC

[drifting quest]

no thanks

i do it for fun i dont want it to become work

you see the loop that will never be solved

[bronze plume]

being a cc seems so ass for a gacha community

[thorn shore]

idek how a gacha CC would get popular

[drifting quest]

quite

[bronze plume]

ragebait

[gaunt mason]

dramabait

[drifting quest]

ragebaiting is the easiest and fastest way

see the dime a dozen 'X new gacha is the Genshin Killer' to 'X new gacha is terrible' pipeline

rinse and repeat new gacha

[bronze plume]

granted if you wanna become a cc solely based on giving people actually good tc advice

[thorn shore]

im gonna become a gacha CC and my first video will be shitting on this channel

[drifting quest]

NTE soon so they can all jump ship to that

[thorn shore]

i will become so popular

[bronze plume]

you will just be meet with people who are like "erm youre wrong"

[amber vapor]

The grifting -> ragebait -> farm profits pipeline is quite extensive

Average gacha CC would make a great politician ngl 💀

[thorn shore]

this is not the play for youtube

[thorn shore]

none of those guys factcheck you they dont know if youre right or not

as long as the build works

itll work

[civic wolf]

NOOOOOOO NOT AGAINNNNN

NOT HIMM

[drifting quest]

making fake leaks is like

giga profits too

[civic wolf]

GO AWWAYYYYY

WHY CANT I ESCAPE SAINTONTAS HERE

[drifting quest]

you'll see like the most obviously not at all true video but it has 'leaks' in the title and has millions of views

[thorn shore]

ye whenever i google ake all i get are the fake leak vids

but then its bullshit speculation

[amber vapor]

1%truth + 99% lies

[drifting quest]

the 1% truth is that a new unit is coming in the patch

[civic wolf]

do u know how much free publicity endfield would get if they just tease their upcoming stuff

[amber vapor]

It's so easy to exacerbate the truth into a profitable lie

[civic wolf]

do they not want ez clout

[drifting quest]

they do this though

[thorn shore]

but they have teased

[bronze plume]

they got ez clout via showing cc

[drifting quest]

1.0 we got what 6 units teased

just recently we got 3

1 new 2 old

[civic wolf]

i want character names, element and weapon type...

[bronze plume]

this aint hoyo

[civic wolf]

like how am i supposed to talk about the upcoming vampire guy aside from

calling him

John Vampire

[amber vapor]

They tease and then save the big reveals for showcases so that people will impulsively swipe because they can't preplan based on leaks, etc

[civic wolf]

or kuro apperently

[bronze plume]

you simply called him by his name Ardashir

[warped sorrel]

not that one

[drifting quest]

its very funny to also see the people who are very clearly looking at the 'leaks'

[amber vapor]

New fanfic idea: Endmin + Ardashir's child is vamp boyo

[bronze plume]

nah trust theyll do bullshit plot point 2 to make him playable

[warped sorrel]

he actually has 2 personality
evil and twink

[drifting quest]

when they make guesses on units we know nothing about and have no reason to assume they are as their guess is

[warped sorrel]

and we got the twink one

[amber vapor]

Vagueposting starter pack

[civic wolf]

ardashir is so fucking annoying

he's so nothingburger and potential vilalin

[amber vapor]

"My intentions seem evil on the surface but they're for the good of mankind"

[civic wolf]

it's so irritating that we're given extremely vague hints (some of them requiring OG AK knolwege??)

[bronze plume]

trust me ardelia alter 1.0 anni

call her ardelia the white ash

idk why tho

[thorn shore]

we will meet again you amnesiac oooo

• ardashir

[drifting quest]

i heard she's like a heat dps

[amber vapor]

You mean you don't enjoy him saying "I just want to talk" and then end up talking about himself in the vaguest manner possible

[bronze plume]

man

shes actually dolly dps smh

[amber vapor]

Ardelia alt gonna be the first Aethermancer

[drifting quest]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-eyjafjalla-skill1-epic-gif-27230083

[warped sorrel]

whoa laevatain finally got her upgrade teammate?