theorycrafting

[winged delta]

Kinda hoped you'd say she's op because I have no reason to pull and stocks are piling. Slowly losing interest with how long it takes for content and Mifu to come.

[frigid vector]

she's very strong but content dies too quickly

[chilly bolt]

Her banner will probably end before livestream

[daring dove]

She may do but there's nothing remotely challenging enough at whale invest that Rossi can't 1 shot. Maybe as content gets ALOT harder.

[winged delta]

[frigid vector]

esp for people that aren't rocking full P5s

[sterile moat]

The rota kinda complex but i can optimise it for sure

[drifting quest]

doompost angle - most broken unit yet

realistic angle - doesnt matter content dies to a sneeze

[frigid vector]

llike if you're a p0 baseline char she's got hella damage

[daring dove]

It won't it's for the entire duration we'll know what's in 1.3 before her banner ends.

[winged delta]

Doing the drill she felt like a better lavabean because way less conditions to pop off

[craggy pond]

btw do we know of a sub dps perlica build with fangyi arts intensity is basically useless but i'm still thinking of qingbo to line up their cs (otherwise the rotation would be kinda awkward). Mainly i wanna make use of oblivion since ww feels like such a trivial buff with how much dmg% fangyi is already getting from all the other sources

[drifting quest]

qingbo is ran over pulser for combo cdr

[chilly bolt]

It's not for the entire patch

[frigid vector]

ww was still calced to be better

[drifting quest]

mi sec is the 'dps' perlica stuff, as much as I loathe the concept

[frigid vector]

and yeah you kinda always wanna run qingbo else the rotation gets even longer

[sterile moat]

Its useless because zfy instantly consumes it

[exotic crypt]

Ok yeah the p5 glow up is basically making the weapon a csgo karambit fade

p0 is just typical grey steel

[bronze plume]

qingbo itself gives perlica ai anyway

[craggy pond]

in the grand scheme? I was thinking dmg from perlica ult can make up for the tiny buff ww provides

[frigid vector]

yeah

if anything that's the reason why

perlica ww

[bronze plume]

the 3 qingbo pieces you use all have ai in them

[frigid vector]

is up pretty much perma

and ZFY rotations are very long

[bronze plume]

less you wanna be cringe and use non main and sub stat pieces

[frigid vector]

given how obscenely high damage she pumps over the course of an ult state

having that up for the wind up and the ult means that from low priority/cata's calcs

they were even at equivalent potentials

so like p0 ww = p0 oblivion

but it's a hell of a lot easier to p5 ww than oblivion

[craggy pond]

it's definitely not an excuse to try and make use of my p5 oblivion

[frigid vector]

if you do have p5 oblivion though

and if you have p5 zfy sig

in which case you are truly and utterly giga saturated

[daring dove]

Play something like Genshin you'll understand where I'm coming from. If the enemies aren't difficult enough Varesa clears way faster than than someone like Nefer despite having only 25% of the damage at whale investment.

[frigid vector]

then be an oblivion hero

[craggy pond]

ig close

rn it's p5 oblivion & p3 fangyi sig

[frigid vector]

I mean that's the problem zfy has right now tbh

[craggy pond]

i think she already has like 370% something dmg%

[frigid vector]

everything dies too fast

but her damage is objectively nuts

[winged delta]

What is Fangyi's team rn?

[frigid vector]

perlica-arclight-filler

[drifting quest]

i like oblivi more than ww for practical cases but thats pure feelscrafitng

[frigid vector]

probably gilb if you have her, otherwise antal or arde (antal if p1 is good)

[sterile moat]

Question should be how whale is your fangyi

[drifting quest]

feels like the extra dam can help push you into phase changes

over ww buff

due to better frontload

[frigid vector]

tru that may be the case

[craggy pond]

yeah ik, offpiece would probably just be lynx tho

[drifting quest]

it really does not matter that much though

gap isnt notable enough to make or break anything

[bronze plume]

pulser gloves

[craggy pond]

it's better? That's interesting

[bronze plume]

bro slab rotted

[noble tapir]

If I were to like fully invest into Perlica, for Fangyi, would I still want her on arts intensity stuff or would I run something else instead?

[craggy pond]

i mean ig perlica doesn't really need uge from the qingbo gloves anyway

since she doesn't run stanza

[chilly bolt]

Intensity is kinda useless on perl

[craggy pond]

so it's win win

[sterile moat]

Ai does nothing for fangyi

[craggy pond]

well, technically you could utilize it in the first ebs but that's about it

[noble tapir]

So just run qingboo then?

[bronze plume]

then run the other pieces

you can use the pieces that dont have her stats on them if you really want

[torn pilot]

have you tried tangtang yet?

feels pretty good to me

heres the team im using

[frigid vector]

not really, how would her rotation even work

[torn pilot]

someone told me i should switch to oblivion on perlica

[frigid vector]

you want to bskill with her twice

I guess you then use perlica to convert that to elec level 2

and zfy bskill

but it seems wayy to sp intensive

[drifting quest]

old calcs had oblivi ahead

[frigid vector]

zfy already struggles as is

[drifting quest]

due to differencei n rot and assumption

[torn pilot]

nah antal triggers arts burst, which triggers tt combo skill

[drifting quest]

gear diff too

pre qingbo gear iirc

might be why

[frigid vector]

no vanguard? that seems even harder from an SP perspective

[craggy pond]

how does this team even sustain in the long term in terms of sp

[torn pilot]

arclight fake vanguard

[bronze plume]

it doesnt

[frigid vector]

she's giving like 16sp for every bskill cycle it's pretty nice

[bronze plume]

its a kill the enemy in 1 rot or cry team

[frigid vector]

how long does it take for you to get ult on zfy

what's the total SP rotation cost

[craggy pond]

prob 10 million years

[torn pilot]

idk im not that skilled to pay attention

i can try and pay more attention to it

anyway do you think i should switch to oblivion on perlica too?

[daring dove]

Yep I'm hoping she gets a really solid sub-dps that helps her function & fills in the down period in her kit. If she gets an electric Tangtang she'll go up in my estimation a lot. If she gets no support in 1.3 I'mma feel a bit disappointed in her. It's too early to tell ultimately we're in the waiting room for what 1.3 brings.

[torn pilot]

my oblivion is like p4 from pulling random dupes

[frigid vector]

100 sp antal bskill
100 sp tantang bskill
antal/tangtang combo
100 sp perlica bskill
100 sp fangyi bskill

like we're 400 sp in and get just 1 fangyi bskill lol

we need 3 more

[craggy pond]

oblivion is probably better at that point, same as my case, but it could be close

[torn pilot]

antal battle skill -> perlica battle skill -> antal combo -> tangtang combo -> tangtang bs

[frigid vector]

tbh I think a lot of that is also from a p5 perspective, because at p0 rossi isn't 13s clearing rho for example

so the damage ramp up isn't as egregious

[torn pilot]

you dont really need to use tt bs twice

[frigid vector]

wait

how are you getting electrification

just perlica combo?

[torn pilot]

perlica combo applies electrif

[frigid vector]

then you'd need even more because you aren't upgrading it

so you're doing zfy on level 1 electrics

and not even getting her combo skill

[torn pilot]

upgrading it?

[drifting quest]

elec has levels

[torn pilot]

nah you still get her combo skill

you just do a final strike

[drifting quest]

higher elec level is more swords

[daring dove]

Absolutely if you can't 1 shot the boss then Fangyi's 25 second ultimate maybe better for getting the job done. As once you run out of gas on a nuke team it becomes quite painful.

[torn pilot]

ohh gotchu

[frigid vector]

like I see you're applying shatter essentially

[bronze plume]

and more ult energy

[frigid vector]

with the level 2 elec

or are you consuming that with zfy combo and then bskilling on her?

[torn pilot]

yeah thats what i was doing

[frigid vector]

like I just don't see how tangtang is slotting in here, either her or zfy are just tagalongs

[craggy pond]

so it takes like 300sp per fangyi's bs and it's 2 blades each time

[frigid vector]

you need to bskill with tangtang for the arts dmg taken

[frigid forge]

hmmmm

[frigid vector]

if you aren't then what's she offering

[frigid vector]

ye

like I'm not seeing the vision

I respect it, but I don't see it

tangtang can kinda be slapped on anywhere and do fine cause she has high multis

[torn pilot]

ur making me not see the vision either

[daring dove]

People inherently just wanna run Tangtang with everything sadly because she's got insane QoL. Sadly though I don't think Tangtang + Fangyi is a thing.

[frigid vector]

but it feels like either one is gonna get gimped compared to running something else

[drifting quest]

it is but its giga niche

semi speedrun tech

not at all practical

[torn pilot]

yeah tangtang just deletes everthing when i run around the world

[craggy pond]

ig you could say you can run tangtang in the sense that it's doable, but the other options for that slot are just way more reasonable

[rare zodiac]

you sure the road you are heading to have anything resemble light of hope?

[craggy pond]

and probably for 1 rots then it's fine

[drifting quest]

it relies on precharged ults

[bronze plume]

ok imma ask a dumb question cuz i never went and read fangyi kit

[drifting quest]

to offset the main headache with fangyi gameplay

[bronze plume]

how does she generate swords and how does she if ever consume them

[craggy pond]

consumes electrification and generates electrification + 1 blades per skill use, caps out at 3

[sterile moat]

i wish the elec inflic was on her ba instead of bs

[rare zodiac]

BS give 1, every electrification lv give same number sword, max 3 per BS

[drifting quest]

Press BSkill:
Check Elec on target
Create blade based on elec level + 1 consumed
min 1
p1 makes 1 more on her first skill

first skill during ult always makes 3, does not consume

[craggy pond]

her bs has 2 parts to it essentially, the first part simply consumes elec to generate blades

and the second part prompts all the blades nearby to strike

[sterile moat]

btw do swords keep refreshing?

[drifting quest]

3 blades max

[craggy pond]

including ones from the previous rotations

[drifting quest]

afaik closest to expiring swords are replaced first

[bronze plume]

so you generally just spac elec on the enemy

get swords

ult

then unga bunga

[drifting quest]

the loop is applying elec > consuming with bskill

[bronze plume]

idk if im just cooked

[drifting quest]

be it perlica bskill, fangyi cskill (or both, a decent chunk of the time) or something like arclight ult

[rare zodiac]

yeah pretty much, while eating a trillion sp along the ways

[bronze plume]

but her dmg just feels ass compared to the rossi team

[trim cipher]

how is Fangyi in overworld?

[craggy pond]

it's very much just perlica elec -> elec infliction -> convert to lvl 2 elec with fangyi cs -> consume with bs for 3 blades

repeat

[frigid vector]

still find it good, just that its backloaded

rossi is all on ult

and well so is zfy

just that her ult takes 25s

[bronze plume]

and she doesnt get to have fun with tt also doing dmgh

maybe thats it

just how long it takes to get zfy dmg up

while rossi still has tt going unga bunga

[frigid vector]

around 35s

3 combo skills worth

[craggy pond]

like half a minute

[frigid vector]

and then 25s to unload

[torn pilot]

honestly tangtang is just premium overworld character

[bronze plume]

dis shit so ass

i swear

the sui sibling

[torn pilot]

tangtang carries overworld exploration hard af

[frigid vector]

that unload is the highest dmg we got so far

[honest hill]

it's so hard to find this

[frigid vector]

it's just that everything dies

before the unload ends...

[bronze plume]

will be a nature 6 star support who focuses on team ult gain

[honest hill]

119k

[craggy pond]

well the main problem is more that shits are already dead by the time her ult is up

so her backloaded kit is rather overkill

for how easy the game is

[daring dove]

To be honest I think it's time they make the overworld enemies 80 again soon. Maybe then we'll start to see characters being able to do more than 1 battle skill without wiping everyone out.

[bronze plume]

cc will save her trust

[frigid vector]

if CC bosses are tanky

[bronze plume]

casuals will complain again

[frigid vector]

she'll be an insane pick

[sterile moat]

and then we get lvl80 gear to wipe them in 1 bs again

[frigid vector]

unless ofc, -sp gen debuff or something

[bronze plume]

good thing i can pick from everyone but ember fuck you ember

got her cbt2 and never again

life is great

[craggy pond]

her dmg chart is essentially an exponential graph instead of a linear one

[daring dove]

They've had months to build a team now fck em.

[manic jay]

stall bosses are also annoying for strikers

[frigid vector]

the worst part is that zfy damage is indeed higher after her f irst ult

because you're going into the next rota with 9 blades already on field

so you get ult back way faster

[proven mauve]

arclight is pretty much guaranteed to be on fangyi bis team right

[drifting quest]

no

[frigid vector]

you can skip arclight for very short speedrun setups (e.g. antal/gilb)

[drifting quest]

its all conditional and assumption based

there's no such thing as 'bis' teams for like anything that isnt current monophys

[frigid vector]

right now she's the best pick in large part because of her giving 16sp unconditional every bskill cycle

but you can flex her

[drifting quest]

arclights very good and part of the baseline

[craggy pond]

she's kinda like what akekuri is to surtr

if i get it right

[drifting quest]

but also super easily replaced the second an actually competent unit exists

[proven mauve]

well i mean with current characters that are out

[bronze plume]

bro where in tf am i (spoilered because uhh area in new area people might not wanna see until they see it)

[drifting quest]

yvonne's old office

maybe

[rare zodiac]

an average 9-5 office

[drifting quest]

its either an easter egg, mistake or intended lore building for where yvonne used to work

[frigid vector]

not open plan enough

[bronze plume]

why would yvonne have a pic of herself on her desk

[frigid vector]

having a cabinet is already a luxury

[drifting quest]

go look at her office space in valley 4 lol

she has a bunch of them

[bronze plume]

aint no way bruh

[drifting quest]

ego

[rare zodiac]

what the alternative could be? imagine having your co worker pic on your deck

[drifting quest]

my first guess when i got there was dev office easter egg

but seems less likely

[bronze plume]

i want whatever that stupid robots name was to die again

[craggy pond]

that robot

i forgot the name of

[bronze plume]

i dont remember its name bro

story was so ass

[gritty briar]

not enough pink to be yvonne office

her fat tail wouldn't fit on that chair anyways

[drifting quest]

tata

[frigid vector]

ta-ta?

[craggy pond]

some people cried to it

[bronze plume]

some people are lil b-

my lawyer said to stop

[craggy pond]

they'll question existence if they read ogak lore

[proven mauve]

has khrav been in weekly shop yet

[craggy pond]

it will not be

[daring dove]

Why craft the fluid to remove it when you can just parkour.

[craggy pond]

only generic 6*s appear in rotations

[proven mauve]

ugh

[bronze plume]

youre gonna have to pull on the weapon banner of that weapon for it gang

[craggy pond]

they're gonna go bankrupt if they let you buy sigs with 2000 arsenal tickets

[drifting quest]

i brute forced both the ones i saw with regular xiranite

[craggy pond]

granted, some of them might as well be sig in disguise, like thermite

[drifting quest]

idk if there's a third

[daring dove]

Might try that, can you completely remove it with regular or just force your way through?

[drifting quest]

i broke the other one with reg, pathed to the jump pads before it and didnt clear, just pathed through on that one you sent

its a hassle to do though

way easier to just make heavy xiranite

[torn pilot]

hey btw @frigid vector im a little confused about what you said earlier because i have level 3 electrification after doing antal bs -> perlica bs -> antal combo -> fangyi combo

[frigid vector]

you do

now the question is

[torn pilot]

oh and perlica combo skill

[frigid vector]

1 how do you consume that?

you need perlica bskill to put elec on the enemy

and now you have no SP for fangyi bskill

I guess you can just use fangyi bskill raw

but then you're effectively "wasting" generation

because you're capped at 3 swords

[torn pilot]

i have p1

[frigid vector]

that's only for the first

but it does make it more forgiving

[torn pilot]

ah ok

[frigid vector]

so now let's say you've done that and you've put down 4 swords

you still need another 7

what's the rotation to get there

antal combo isn't gonna be up again for a while

just a standard perlica b skill into zfy + perli combo?

I think

you can just tell me

if you do your rotation there

when on the timer above

do you get enough for zfy ult

assuming 0 ult gain efficiency pieces

since that's the easiest way to determine if it's viable or not as it all comes down to how quickly you build up her ult

but considering you aren't even getting elec infliction conversion off fangyi combo skill

that means you're missing on the ult energy from it

[bronze plume]

whats

the best thing to test my rotation on

[frigid vector]

rho as usual

[bronze plume]

that wont die before i get it off

[frigid vector]

rho as usual with a level 1 weapon*

[drifting quest]

umbral boss, rho recrisis or new rho in etch

[outer ermine]

the one and only

[frigid vector]

looking at the rota I had

takes me 45-50s to be at zfy ult

4 bskill 3 combo

[bronze plume]

damn

[frigid vector]

(including teammate ult cutscenes before the burst)

[bronze plume]

is it pretty much just

[torn pilot]

for the next fangyi combo?

or what

[frigid vector]

yes

[bronze plume]

make sure the enemy has elec from perlica bs to use fangyi cs

and youre chilling

[torn pilot]

gotchu yea

[frigid vector]

perlica bskill
final strike
zfy combo + perlica combo (perlica's hits first)
that puts a level 2 elec on enemy
zfy battle (consumes level 2, deploys 2 + 1 = 3 swords)

repeat x3

that alone isn't enough energy though

so you then need to do one more zfy bskill

but SP is tight

[bronze plume]

and you get more once in a blue moon from arclight ult and she helps with the dogass sp

[frigid vector]

nah arclight ult isn't used

because it all aligns with perlica/zfy combo skill

you can use the elec on her ult and then bskill but now you're only getting 2 swords

unless you bskill with perlica for a level 2

[bronze plume]

oh it consumes

so

arclight is literally

[frigid vector]

you use arclight ult

[bronze plume]

just a cs bot

[frigid vector]

for corrosion with gilb

[bronze plume]

some things never change

[frigid vector]

or for some extra dmg in ult

since you do more dmg with higher elec levels

so p sure there should be a rotation with p1 zfy

[bronze plume]

what makes perlica hit first

[frigid vector]

where you can have antal use his combo before the third set

and then you arclight ult

[bronze plume]

i have p1 zfy

but im never touching antal

[frigid vector]

thing is you'r actually want to have zfy consume the elec from arclight ult

rather htan letting it tick

cause otherwise you're missing out on the combo skill gain

so you essentially gotta snipe it

but I'm sure there'll be more streamlined rotations with time

[bronze plume]

elaborate

[frigid vector]

rn I feel arclight ult is best with gilb since you can snipe the infliction with gilb ult easily

and corrosion lasts a while

which applies for a good portion of zfy burst in ult

[frigid vector]

arclight ult does +1 infliction

and then consumes that on the 2nd hit to apply electrification

but you don't want that to happen

because you want ZFY to consume inflictions to apply electrification

[modest thorn]

is there a calc for zhuang fangyi's weapon?

[bronze plume]

so you can eat the infliction before she consumes it into electrification?

[frigid vector]

ya

[bronze plume]

yeah fuck that

[frigid vector]

so then zfy gets it

[bronze plume]

unga bunga it is

[frigid vector]

and that gives you more ult energy too

you could just use her ult raw

and get a "free" electrification

[bronze plume]

hell yeah

[daring dove]

Credit to IWinToLose.

[frigid vector]

that's LPs/catalysts calcs

IWTL has it on his video but it's from datafield

[modest thorn]

gotcha ty

[frigid vector]

you can see the spreadsheets here

https://datafield.cc/characters/zhuang-fangyi

[bronze plume]

why do i feel like

im going to try this zfy rot on rhod

and hate her more

[drifting quest]

is it credited on iwtl's video

[frigid vector]

ya

well

ish

not on the description

half credit

[drifting quest]

better than nothing

at least they're on more accurate data now

[bronze plume]

is there a

turn off starting with ult button

[drifting quest]

no

[bronze plume]

boo

[drifting quest]

do etchspace rhod or umbral

for no ult

[bronze plume]

i can at least waste her ult since she doesnt need to be near the enemy for it

[frigid vector]

25s waiting though

I guess still faster than etchspace

[bronze plume]

can confirm

kinda ass imo

[kindred sorrel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tjzzcFsAwSf7KM0Gp4Svubh1MMdogrnyBREYA7rg334/edit?gid=1253537828#gid=1253537828

this is the sheet right?

[frigid vector]

ya

[kindred sorrel]

is that the optimal ardelia gear?

[bronze plume]

whoever made that sheet has a mental illness

[kindred sorrel]

does anyone know what the optimal ardelia gear would be for p5/p5

[frigid vector]

is there something else for ardelia?

[kindred sorrel]

im running this rn for some reason

[frigid vector]

she triggers xiranite buff and her corro gets consumed on skill use

you can milk some arts intensity but

you want enough ult gen to have her ult with stanza

well I guess

since you're using p5

and not stanza then

[kindred sorrel]

do i stay with what i have

or should i gear her up with something else

replaced ult gain chest with arts intensity chest because p4+

[frigid vector]

perlica-arclight-antal/gilb

both are good

[kindred sorrel]

but idk if i should be replacing her kits

[frigid vector]

so long as you got xira set

[kindred sorrel]

i just dont get why that spreadsheet has power core/power core t1

while im using auxiliary arm because i thought the stats lined up

[daring dove]

You can use Enka btw for easier character showcases.

[kindred sorrel]

but i guess the extra int makes up for the will replacement/wasted str?

[torn pilot]

oh some people are using alesh?

thats cool

[frigid vector]

arm should be better than core

[trim cipher]

which team is better for overworld?

[smoky quarry]

Just how much dollars is that?

[frigid vector]

gilb, running antal in overworld is grief

[kindred sorrel]

i still need to craft her new pieces

[daring dove]

Not a ton about 600 I got quite lucky with her weapon.

[kindred sorrel]

i got super unlucky with her weapon

[bronze plume]

"not a ton"

i will gladly take $600 thx

[torn pilot]

[smoky quarry]

Average salary in my country 🔥

[torn pilot]

you are blessed to have that kinda money

[kindred sorrel]

im still missing one but theres literally no sources of arsenal ticket left for me

[bronze plume]

💀

[frigid vector]

meanwhile $600

[bronze plume]

actually wait

[kindred sorrel]

i thought there was supposed to be an arsenal ticket bundle

that kept refreshing

but apparently not

[frigid vector]

not even half the rent price

[kindred sorrel]

so im still a few pulls from pitying the last copy of her weapon

[torn pilot]

legit

[bronze plume]

no thats still less then here a week

[frigid vector]

there's a second one

[smoky quarry]

If rent takes more than half your salary, then you are doing something wrong

[bronze plume]

$600 usd is like $1050 for me

[kindred sorrel]

i got all 3

still not enough to max weapon

because my rng was ass

[bronze plume]

its just so ass

[frigid vector]

not in a lot of places

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/privaterentalaffordabilityengland/2023

50%+ in london is common

and that's pre-tax btw

[bronze plume]

am i the only mf who does this because more will is funny

[shut cobalt]

uh, is the iana google docs discontinued? rossi theorycrafting is still in wip and fangyi is still not in there

[bronze plume]

yes iana has stopped

[shut cobalt]

where do i turn to for build guides then?

accurate one anyways

[torn pilot]

bro why is thermite so ugly

[bronze plume]

have you looked in a mirror recently

[bronze plume]

you pray prydwen isnt ass for once

or wait

[kindred sorrel]

do i stick with this or should i run wild wanderer

[frigid vector]

I'd say prydwen but I'm biased since I write for them

[shut cobalt]

is maygi accurate?

[frigid vector]

at least the latest characters

maygi is good

[bronze plume]

i do not take back what i said with them being ass

[daring dove]

Just gota match the character.

[bronze plume]

no idea who that is so

[frigid vector]

you can say it's ass but

unless you can tell me where or why or what

[shut cobalt]

i c, thanks

[frigid vector]

it isn't doing much

I can correct and flag things that are problems but if it's just "prydwen is ass just because" that isn't helping much

[kindred sorrel]

is this gear optimal for max oblivion perlica

[bronze plume]

well its not the ef part so

havent cared to look at their ef part

[frigid vector]

and if you know what's correct you can just forward the right calcs or make the amendments which I can then resolve

[torn pilot]

👏

[frigid vector]

you need qingbo for cdr alignment

and pulser gloves good for dmg so

[bronze plume]

maybe its just there tierlists being tierlists

[frigid vector]

if you're running oblivion then all the more reason over ult gain alternatives

[torn pilot]

any answers for this cuz im wondering same

[frigid vector]

tierlists are ass

and will forever be ass

[kindred sorrel]

man why did i leave gloves to last

[frigid vector]

but tierlists are just clickbait anyways

[bronze plume]

i need a tierlists of tierlists

and then a tierlist of that tierlist

and so on

[kindred sorrel]

i thought gloves would be the most replaceable for some reason

[warped idol]

slab detected

[bronze plume]

whale 0 videogame 1000

[kindred sorrel]

smh who would have thought they'd release a set like qingbo

[daring dove]

This is the only offically approved tier list Antal the best character in the game.

[drifting quest]

thats right! the new character goes in the [Tier 0] Hole

[kindred sorrel]

i thought i was safe going all in on pulsar for perlica

for zfy team

but fuck me i guess

[warped idol]

akekuri below antal

[frigid vector]

tbh it's very rare that a release character

isn't t0 material tbh

unless it's like ZZZ angle

[kindred sorrel]

watch them release another endmin set so all this goes to waste too

[frigid vector]

where they attribute half the version's power level to one character

[bronze plume]

i knew perlica was dogshit

guys its true the tierlist said it was!

[drifting quest]

i just inherently loathe tier lists

for so many reasons

[daring dove]

Yeah she just escaped Catcher tier

[bronze plume]

they just bring out the bad in people

[frigid vector]

tier lists by definition have no nuance

[kindred sorrel]

tier lists are good for getting clicks

[frigid vector]

the closest thing to a proper tier list is a matchup chart

but even that's giga opinionated

[bronze plume]

me when people cant get along

so we grade things

[frigid vector]

even if you were to use stats in a matchup chart it wouldn't be accurate since it'd be different at different levels of play

[drifting quest]

by the time you make a tier list with appropriate information and nuance its no longer a tier list

[frigid vector]

there's no way around it other than "vibes and opinion"

[bronze plume]

in my opinion

ardelia is the best character

im not bias

[kindred sorrel]

what are the odds we get a 6* vanguard within the next 3 banners

[bronze plume]

probably

the same as any other class

20%

[frigid vector]

3 banners? pretty high..

[bronze plume]

considering we havent gotten one tho

[kindred sorrel]

i kinda want to replace alesh or akekuri

[drifting quest]

3 MORE MAIN DPS CARRIES

[frigid vector]

defender and vanguard

the only classes we haven't gotten limiteds of

[bronze plume]

nature hasnt gotten one yet LETS GO

[bronze plume]

i wanna see what they do with the first limtied defender tbf

[daring dove]

There there on maxing the last 6* operator. Maybe 3-4 more days then everyone is done.

[kindred sorrel]

mi fu vanguard that works with both electric and fire teams please so i can put her in both laeva and zfy teams

[bronze plume]

considering right now they are

so garbo

[drifting quest]

they make the defender not a defender

[frigid vector]

it'll probably just be a mix of classes

[drifting quest]

hoshiguma the breacher

[frigid vector]

support tier buffs

[bronze plume]

call this shit yu

[frigid vector]

but barrier instead of heals

[kindred sorrel]

give me shu in endfield

[drifting quest]

you know they're gonna put like

inflictions on a 'when hit' or something

[kindred sorrel]

teleport all enemies or something idk

[drifting quest]

and its going to ruin rotation planning

[bronze plume]

or like a

if you where going to get hit or if you perfect dodge the defender does something

[frigid vector]

they can do it on hit so long as there's a skill that self damages lol

[bronze plume]

and that something is a attack with a 3000% multiplier to make the defender feel useful

[kindred sorrel]

teleport all enemies and gather them, healing rice field, and throw in a corrosive or something on all enemies

for shu endfield kit

[drifting quest]

tweaking out when its like

'after recieving damage from an enemy' combo skill proc condition

apply 1 infliction

[bronze plume]

do we think

we are ever getting new 5 stars

[drifting quest]

yes

[bronze plume]

and if so will nature finally get a 5 star

[drifting quest]

at the very least there's fjall

[bronze plume]

we will get

[trim cipher]

and antal instead of gilb against bosses?

[bronze plume]

1 5 star every anni

they will be new and free

take it or leave it

everyone else is 6 star

[daring dove]

I think the game will eventually have something like a 70/30 split looking at how things are progressing. 70% 6* 30% for the rest.

[frigid vector]

gilb is still good against bosses

[kindred sorrel]

if they do release a new 5 star, kinda hope they make them rate up as well on the same banner

so i dont have even worse rng trying to max them

[frigid vector]

haven't done the calcs for p1+ antal rotation

it may be better than gilb but just feelscrafting

since focus would run out halfway during ult burst

not enough SP to sustain it

[daring dove]

Yeah that kinda needs to be a thing. They'll likely do the Genshin thing to doable tip though & only rate them up on a character re-run banner.

Not the new limited character.

[kindred sorrel]

im already at like, p50 of every 5 star right now

so if they rates for a new 5 star arent increased, it'll kinda feel shit

[bronze plume]

whale for me i have no p5 itll feel less like shit

[kindred sorrel]

whaling aint doing shit rn when i cant even get any pulls for my last copy of zfy weapon banner

because theres literally no packs for arsenal tickets

[torn pilot]

ok on second thought

maybe arclight isnt that ass

[bronze plume]

gotta whale and waste money on character banner to get arsenal

[torn pilot]

she doesnt really even read that badly its just the rest of her kit seems kindof homeless asside from her sp gen and ult

[bronze plume]

isnt it such a fun system?

[kindred sorrel]

unless i spend 78 ori per 10 pull on weapon banner

which is fucking wild pricing

is there no defense thing for the new outpost at level 2

[torn pilot]

i mean endfields gacha system is basically objectively more f2p freindly than other gacha

its not even really close either

i think the monetization could probably be better

[bronze plume]

yeah thats so cool and all but

the weapon banner is still shit

[kindred sorrel]

unless you get fucked by rng and literally have no sources for weapon banner pulls

[torn pilot]

but thats from the perspective of a very light spender who basically only buys battle pass/monthly pass

[kindred sorrel]

i bought out every arsenal ticket pack

and pulled p5 zfy with 6? off banners

and still not enough to max potential her weapon

[torn pilot]

i think its easy to resent it when you get the character you want first pull and dont have any arsenal tickets

fundamentally tho

the system is good

[bronze plume]

💀

[torn pilot]

like i would take endfield gacha over literally any other japanese gacha, any day

and its not close

[daring dove]

Arsenal system is horrible to be honest. 25/75 shouldn't be a thing I don't care if the 6* rate is 4%.

[torn pilot]

this system is by far the most f2p friendly

[kindred sorrel]

the rate difference between character rng and weapon rng is so off even with bad character rng getting you more arsenal tickets

25% for banner weapon is so ass

i pulled so many oblivions and chivalrics

but im stuck with this until i guess monthly refresh of arsenal tickets?

[daring dove]

Fangyi truly blessed me with her weapon this time though. I got two of her weapons in 1 pull & it wasn't a pity pull.

[bronze plume]

wym monthly refresh?

actually i wonder

[kindred sorrel]

idk man do they refresh arsenal ticket packs?

[bronze plume]

every new banner yes

[kindred sorrel]

or do i need to just cough up 78 ori per 10 pull

[noble tapir]

idk man just get lucky 4head

[bronze plume]

so they MIGHT refresh it when the JO banner comes

since it is a new banner but fangyis banner is still up a lil bit when it comes up

[kindred sorrel]

arent they rerunning laeva and gil weapons too

[bronze plume]

so you have to pray they reset the shop with the JO banner

[daring dove]

Nope not until the next banner, if you're lucky they'll run some on the re-run banner.

[bronze plume]

yeah

[kindred sorrel]

it would be insane not to give us new arsenal ticket packs

because theres 0 way to whale for more arsenal tickets outside of spending 78 ori per 10 pull

[noble tapir]

I think the only really bad thing about the weapon banner in this game is the fact whaling on it is limited

Cause the originium rate for the weapon banner is absolute dog shit

[torn pilot]

yeah i agree

again, the monetization in endfield isnt great

[noble tapir]

But that doesn't effect me because I don't want p5 sig weapons

[torn pilot]

i fully agree

even for light spenders

its shit

[knotty yoke]

How many of the arsenal ticket packs can you buy each banner?

[torn pilot]

but for the giga whales the design of weapon banner kinda sucks

[kindred sorrel]

but it affects the people that actually spend the most money on their game

[torn pilot]

for f2p its incredibly good tho

[kindred sorrel]

having the only option left as 78 ori per 10 weapon pull is straight up negative incentive to spend

[torn pilot]

because what the fuck are you even talking about saying "yeah i would rather spend my premium currency pulling pittying a weapon AND character" instead of just pulling more characters and still getting teh weapon

[noble tapir]

But also I'm clearly an outlier pull wise because I'm sitting on every sig weapon (I also pulled for pog's sig) and i still have ~12k arsenal tickets left

[trim cipher]

better than Antal with P1 ZFY?

[daring dove]

Yeah it should be good for both though, don't wanna piss off your biggest spenders or your low / F2P pop.

[torn pilot]

i think they can fix the issue entirely by improving their packs

[kindred sorrel]

they should be incentivizing weapon banner pulls for whales

at the very least with more arsenal ticket packs

but my only option left to get my last zfy weapon copy is to buy 400 ori and hope for the best

[daring dove]

For me fix would be to put the bloody sig in the weapon selection box. That way you're getting a sig every 8 pulls max if you want.

[kindred sorrel]

ye

[frigid vector]

I can't say, I haven't really run the numbers and everything dies too fast

[kindred sorrel]

either up the rates to 50/50, or include the sig in the selection box

because 25/75 and requiring what, 15x 10 pulls to pity banner weapon? feels so ass

[torn pilot]

i think boosted rates for every dupe of the weapon is a good idea

[noble tapir]

Oh what weapon is Perlica running with Fangyi? Just Oblivion?

[kindred sorrel]

ww or oblivion i think

[drifting quest]

WW calcs better over time with modern rot and gearing

but oblivion may perform better in practical shorter content

try both if you have both

[kindred sorrel]

like, i'll get the last copy eventually because weapon banners stay for 3 character banners

[drifting quest]

use whatever is levelled if you only have one

[noble tapir]

Guess I need more WW copies lol

[kindred sorrel]

but that means i get even less arsenal ticket packs if i decide i want to max out another sig

[bronze plume]

just get lucky

[kindred sorrel]

frfr why didnt i think of that

[bronze plume]

only need 10 pulls to p5 lets go

[heady pine]

I just did a quick test with double ult dmg kit on both

Came out to like a 5.6% diff for yinglung but the stagger on punching bag was like 2 batk strings earlier

No math

[kindred sorrel]

this is only the second sig im trying to max potential too

first was laeva which wasnt that bad

but zfy sig has been so ass

[drifting quest]

is still YL biased but gap is close enough now that i'd expect for anything but minmax sm is just nicer to run

pretty universally over calcs

means SM pog stuff is a lot less relevant too now

[shut cobalt]

is there a reliable content creator that does builds for chars since iana stopped with the google docs? (and no, prydwen is bad)

[drifting quest]

prydwen's alright now, at least as far as fangyi
if quality is consistently on the level of fangyi's for future units they are a good alternative

then its the usual trio for cc
guoba lin maygi

[shut cobalt]

guoba is reliable? i always thought he wasnt lol

but i c, thanks

[shut cobalt]

wait, is kyostinv reliable for builds?

hes reliable for factory but idk if he is for builds

[drifting quest]

i cant say ive ever watched a kyo guide video

for builds

[torn pilot]

is there any suspicion that antal could be better than gilberta for p1 fangyi

[lime bear]

kyo is just for overview and showcase

[craggy pond]

antal is already better than gilberta in some aspects, it's why that 4th slot is largely interchangable

[lime bear]

i mean even at P0 it's still true, Gil buff is too short for Fangyi imo

[shut cobalt]

i c, altho its way too early to be wanting builds i assume? it usually takes like 3-7 days for some reliable builds

so prydwen prob shouldnt be reliable

[drifting quest]

fangyi's just

very cookie cutter

premade set

[craggy pond]

if gilberta was the obvious choice then we wouldn't have got like 6 different possible options to pick from

[lime bear]

I'm running Alesh as 4th and I really like it

[drifting quest]

only thing that changes is off piece

[shut cobalt]

oh, lol
so, how good is she?

compared to last rite tt / laev

[drifting quest]

doompost angle? disgustingly good, powercreep discourse worthy

normal angle? too early to say content is way too easy

[lime bear]

@drifting quest what's alesh build for fangyi team? just frontiers?

[outer ermine]

omg LOL

[drifting quest]

frontiers and seals both fine

[outer ermine]

its so fucking fake

[shut cobalt]

so, is she worth pulling or nah?

[bronze plume]

she takes a long time to get her ult up but when its up she does a lot of dmg in it problem being all enemies normally just fall over before she gets it

[craggy pond]

in terms of potential dps then no one surpasses her, biggest issue with her rn is nothing even survives long enough to see her wrath

[drifting quest]

if you like her

[bronze plume]

do you want a good electric dps and do you like fangyi

[craggy pond]

so then it's ironic because it's actually quite sluggish to get to that point from 0 ult

[lime bear]

current content is just way too easy for we to have an objective measure, need to wait for CC really

[bronze plume]

if you awnser yes to both of these then pull her

if you awnser yes no then use avy

if you awnser no yes then pull her

if you awnser no no skip

[lime bear]

idk if EF will ever have a hoyo type endgame

[olive imp]

Does Fangyi just use the whole Xiranflow set, or does she want an off piece?

[bronze plume]

i fucking hope they dont

[bronze plume]

off piece

[lime bear]

I hope 2.0 endgame is IS trust

[olive imp]

Which one?

[lime bear]

if CC already here

[bronze plume]

normally slab or a uge piece

[craggy pond]

lynx or uge

[lime bear]

IS raaahh

[shut cobalt]

i c, whats her best equipment, is her sig worth pulling and whats her team

[craggy pond]

pick your poison

[drifting quest]

just check prydwen

[olive imp]

I see, I'm currently using normal xiranite set until I can get xiranflow. Does she play well without UGE?

[drifting quest]

its good for fangyi

[bronze plume]

slab if you hate yourself

bonecrusha uge body for uge more dmg orientanded uge
whatever the xiranite kit is for uge if more uge less dmg

[craggy pond]

go read prydwen's guide on her is what i'll say if you want a deep dive into her

[drifting quest]

its about on par with iana's typical stuff

[craggy pond]

it's good

[lime bear]

slab for general content you have ult charge, and umbral stuff is uge?

[shut cobalt]

prydwen is up there with the fandom wiki in intrusive ads imo

[drifting quest]

cant relate

[lime bear]

what happened to iana

[drifting quest]

adblock things

[bronze plume]

use a ad blocker?

[drifting quest]

nothing difficult and nothing to speculate

losing interest + irl things

[lime bear]

ah ic

[shut cobalt]

i just want those things, not really a deep dive into her kit and whatnot

[bronze plume]

guys fangyi will become T-1

[drifting quest]

ihatetierlistsihatetierlistsihatetierlistsihatetierlistsihatetierlistsihatetierlists

[bronze plume]

there is quite literally

a builds section

[craggy pond]

the guide already answers all of that is what i mean, specfically her team option is pretty open

[lime bear]

soup² did great stuff for yvonne rep

[olive imp]

Btw, is a physical rossi team stronger than the traditional team with Lifeng + Pog?

[craggy pond]

there're a lot that could go together

her weapon at least is straightforward

[lime bear]

all hail supreme chief

[craggy pond]

sig is way ahead of everything else

[bronze plume]

look much wow

[drifting quest]

the only issues i have with prydwens fangyi guide are nitpicks they cant include due to space issues, pretty much

[lime bear]

fangyi m3 is bs and ult right

[bronze plume]

idk why but when im using fangyi and doing the rot

[craggy pond]

enough to make you reconsider just grabbing p5 bp and call it a day

is what i would say

[bronze plume]

i go 4/7/6 for swords and it confuses me

why does my 3rd one not give swords and why does it go down

[craggy pond]

because the first ones expired

[bronze plume]

oh they expire

pain

[craggy pond]

they only exists for like 30 something seconds

typically the counter to that would be to delay the first set of blades

[bronze plume]

shorter then her ult takes smh

[craggy pond]

until the elec almost ran out

[shut cobalt]

so, just to see if this is correct from kyostinv's guide her team is: perlica, arclight, alesh (or gilberta for more dmg but messes rotation up, ardelia for healing and dmg, which of these is best?)
equipment is: the new set and lynx slab
is this correct?

[craggy pond]

if you have p3 then you have a lot more space but if not then it's good to make that a common practice with her

[heady pine]

Yeah it’s the same as prywdens iirc

So should be right

[bronze plume]

that is in fact one of her teams

[craggy pond]

there's no "best", that's why those are options

[drifting quest]

perlica yes
arclight maybe
alesh maybe
gilb maybe
ard maybe
slab maybe

[bronze plume]

and that is in fact one her viable gear sets

good job

[craggy pond]

and there's no concrete "best choice"

they're used for different purposes

[bronze plume]

just now hear me out

[shut cobalt]

wow, i thought she'd be set in stone with everything from what the guy said earlier but apparently not

[bronze plume]

find out what is viable and

experiment

[bronze plume]

theres a difference between finding everything thats viable and knowing what the exact best is

as there is never a exact best normally

some things simply come down to peoples perference in gameplay

[craggy pond]

gilberta provides the most buff but the buffs are short so you need to time it right, antal is the most generic option for boss fights, any 2 vanguard setups is aimed at making your life easier with her in terms of rotation fluidity, and also make sure you don't have sp constipation

[shut cobalt]

i c, so this game is following the og arknights route instead of the usual mihoyo things?

[bronze plume]

some want slab to do more dmg some want a uge piece to get ult up faster

is either straight better then the other?no

do both work? yes

[bronze plume]

i dont know what you mean by that

[craggy pond]

ardelia is kinda like the middle ground, has a little bit of everything but is sp negative

[bronze plume]

arknights has a clear this is better then this a lot of the time

[shut cobalt]

og arknights being you can use whatever most of the time and it'll clear, and mihoyo u need to use x char for x char's team to clear

[craggy pond]

she has other stuffs like healing though, and her buffs last long enough for fangyi

[bronze plume]

thats just because of how they handle enemy mechanics and character mechanics in hoyo games

[craggy pond]

i mean not really, that's just how this team works in specific

[bronze plume]

theres still very obvious awnsers in ak as to x is better then x on y stage

[shut cobalt]

i c i c, so, what should i run in the end for general content? like, farming, then the umbral thing

[craggy pond]

you can't apply that to everything and just put a bunch of random stuffs rogether

[bronze plume]

for farming literally nothing matters as long as fangyi is leveled with gear and random kit

you can literally just go into farming stages with fangyi pop ult use some skills and everything has died stage over

for umbral?\

[shut cobalt]

as for umbral, i assume run ardelia for healing and ult gain?

[bronze plume]

literally everything we have already said is viable

experiment with the options given to you

and decide what you like most

[shut cobalt]

i c, thanks!

[craggy pond]

it's not exactly set in stone, it's not so much "use x character for x content and y character for y content"

[bronze plume]

if you feel like you want more comfy survivability yes run ard

[craggy pond]

they're equally viable in different ways

it's partly up to personal preference

[shut cobalt]

its just that leveling a char for nothing if i dont like the char in the team is bad yk

[craggy pond]

and also just your playstyle

[bronze plume]

the problem with that

is that we can literally only tell you what is viable

we cant decide for you if x char is bad in the team if they are at least factually viable as that then comes down to preference

unless you want me to decide for you i do love having power trips and controlling others

[shut cobalt]

i get it now, thanks

[craggy pond]

well if you ask me about a team i'll autopilot in the generic case then it's probably fangyi arclight perlica alesh/ akekuri

but then again that's just my preference

because i don't like sp constipation

[shut cobalt]

wait, sorry but one more thing
whats the priority for fangyi, perlica and arclight's skills? and if they are worth leveling of course

[drifting quest]

fangyi is viberot the char because she steamrolls all content so hard there is no point in minmaxxing mathematical supremacy when what is individually comfortable impacts rots way more

[bronze plume]

fangyi is bs > cs (or the other way around i forget) > ult

perlica is uhh dont know

[craggy pond]

you only need to max perlica cs

[bronze plume]

arclight is just cs cuz thats all you use on her basically maybe ult if you feelin spicy

[craggy pond]

if you use qingbo

to line up their cs timer

unless you wanna build some sub dps perlica or whatever

[bronze plume]

you can just like r9 arclights cs and call it a day

[shut cobalt]

uh, actually, where do i check the builds for those random chars? prydwen isnt reliable as far as im aware

[craggy pond]

i mean it comes from cross referencing multiple sources and also just your intuition

there's no 1 ultimate source that you should always listen to

[bronze plume]

looking at prydwen for endfield

it actually

doesnt want me to throw up

thank you lin

and probably guoba

[drifting quest]

did they update anything old

ive only looked at fangyis

[outer ermine]

@edgy elk i might sub 50 nef

[craggy pond]

well perlica got the new stuffs up as an option

in their page

haven't checked anything else

[bronze plume]

perlica has the new set but like

its using 4pc new set

[craggy pond]

[bronze plume]

arclight isnt updated

[outer ermine]

i dont need stagger or uge from estella this time around so might play around cata

[drifting quest]

yeah 4p is fine for non fangyi comps

[craggy pond]

yeah the gloves is pretty bad for fangyi

[shut cobalt]

i c, so
the set for perlica is just this i assume for fangyi (if it didnt change from iana's guide on electric), but what about arclight and her weapon

[drifting quest]

since uge matters on stanza perl

[craggy pond]

the uge is good if she runs stanza

[bronze plume]

bro what

[craggy pond]

but otherwise not really

[drifting quest]

qingbo gloves are bad on perl fangyi since the uge is a lot less useful

'bad'

worse than alternatives, is more accurate

[bronze plume]

oh i thought they thought i was talking about fangyi im tripping

[bronze plume]

the new qingbo set

[outer ermine]

https://youtu.be/ygiMz-GtWtI
w better endmin i can skip ult, and maybe rossi cs2
and i only need stew

[craggy pond]

qingbo & max cs is what you should do when paired with fangyi

also use perlica's cs last

so it benefits from time stop mechanics

i would do qingbo for the chest & 2 kits, and probably pulser gloves is the best option for the 4th slot

[bronze plume]

lore accurate

[outer ermine]

if i cant skip cs2 then w cata estella ill prob just 4vuln on 2nd phase

[bronze plume]

this with WW for perlica

[craggy pond]

imma pair ts with p5 oblivion and see how it goes

[bronze plume]

arclight is maybe this with thermite dont quote me on this set tho

[edgy elk]

with…

Oh Rossi shatter kekw

[edgy elk]

not uge chest and seal?

[shut cobalt]

i c, but sorry whats ww

[edgy elk]

does she use bs with fangyi

[bronze plume]

the chest is uge gang

[craggy pond]

i think i saw a very specific build for arclight across different fangyi guides

[bronze plume]

wild wanderer

[craggy pond]

i think where you max uge

[outer ermine]

its always roshatter now i havent touch lr in a while

[craggy pond]

with frontier

[shut cobalt]

is that... an equipment? a weapon?

[bronze plume]

its probably better

i do not cook very well

i just follow the gospel of shuo

my goat

[edgy elk]

no ikik, I meant frontiers uge chest, so u can sub out a tube for seal
(Cus I’m guessing this for fy)

[bronze plume]

wep

[outer ermine]

its so sad actually, everything abt the comp is so fake

[bronze plume]

ooh

nah fuck that

i want the sec att

its probably worse but

[outer ermine]

fake cryo, fake phy, fake hyperossi

[bronze plume]

let me be different

[edgy elk]

afaik arc doesn’t use bs with fy but I might be wrong

[bronze plume]

fake whale

[edgy elk]

so intmaxx arc is..eh

[bronze plume]

(she needs bs for her int passive)

(thats a question)

[shut cobalt]

i thought u didnt want to use arclight's skill on fangyi's team?

[bronze plume]

im going

kms

[shut cobalt]

kyostinv says so, idk about her kit since i never read it cuz i never needed to

[bronze plume]

fine ill use a stupid uge chest piece of frontier video game

[craggy pond]

you don't yes

fangyi wants all the stacks

[shut cobalt]

what does uge change (and well, the hell is an uge)

[craggy pond]

it's not worth it to delay & ruin your entire rotation for such a minimum buff

[bronze plume]

uge stands for Ultimate Gain Efficiency more UGE faster ult

[edgy elk]

alr I’m sorry I’m sorry 😭
I was just suggesting smth, no offense intended

[bronze plume]

no im the stupid one

forgor you need to use bs for it

[shut cobalt]

ohh, i c
and lastly, whats arclight's best weapon for the team

[bronze plume]

im very smart you see

[bronze plume]

thermite

[craggy pond]

thermite

[bronze plume]

if you dont have thermite

[craggy pond]

or if you do double vanguard

then obj

[bronze plume]

consider

getting thermite

[shut cobalt]

i c, thanks! thats all

[granite marten]

is it just xiranflow + slab for fangyi

[bronze plume]

that or use a uge off piece for faster ult

[craggy pond]

no uge build then yes, but you'll need 700sp

[granite marten]

surely arclight can cover it

[chilly bolt]

have anyone tried this

[bronze plume]

on what fangyi?

crit fishing and slab

will never die

[chilly bolt]

real shit

[edgy elk]

the new bait be MI set fangyi cus she hits a lot

[outer ermine]

oh just sub 50d

i want 45 ig

ight rot is done, just need gear. again

can prob beat the zfy 46

[edgy elk]

please do

[shut cobalt]

wait, forgot to ask, is fangyi's weapon worth it?

like, is it a leavatain weapon or rossi weapon situation

[drifting quest]

pretty notable gap but not mandatory

[shut cobalt]

how much is a pretty notable gap, 20% more than the 2nd bis?

[drifting quest]

~20-25% per most calcs

due to the hc nature similar-ish losses for both personal and team dps

[chilly bolt]

according to datafield p5 bp is 85%

[shut cobalt]

thats worth pulling at the very least, right?

[drifting quest]

85 * ~1.2 = ~102%

[drifting quest]

cant make transactional assessments like that for you

its a good increase if you can afford it and dont have other plans

[chilly bolt]

what is 1.2

[drifting quest]

20%

1.2 = 120% or 20% increase

[shut cobalt]

i c, thanks

[chilly bolt]

im clueless what is this 20%

[drifting quest]

the % gap

[chilly bolt]

oh you put it that way

[drifting quest]

if you had p5 bp as the basline (100%)

then p0 sig would be about 20% better

[chilly bolt]

it always bugs me when people use a different weapon as the baseline

[drifting quest]

its the same no matter which way around you do it

was the point

admittedly gets messy and hard to follow

so understandable if people keep track the other way

[outer ermine]

just realized xira estella is a thing

[daring dove]

Almost the exact same difference in the extra amount of ATK%

[ebon thicket]

||After new gear sets and new gear pieces came out, whose BiS gear sets and gear pieces changed?||

[daring dove]

Well combo skill can be quite important as well for better synergy with Perlica & her kit.

[drifting quest]

Quite a few units

Easier to ask for specific units

[outer ermine]

thats another skip ty estella xira

[lost storm]

Tang2 dps bonekrusha is still better right?

Qingbo has much less dmg for combo cd red

[drifting quest]

depends

[lost storm]

Depends on what

[drifting quest]

combo cdr can improve rot smoothing and make it perform better even if per skill damage can be lower

depending on assumptions qb can also have more dps in general

[lost storm]

Then no ig, so far ive been activating xaihi combo after tang2 combo is alr up

[west cypress]

P5 zfy or P5 Laeva?

[potent hornet]

if you have her p1 you don't really need the new set

[turbid elm]

Are there calculations for each 4th slot on Zhuang teams?

Antal vs Ardelia vs Avywenna

Also what weapons are best for Perlica, Antal, Ardelia?