theorycrafting

[drifting quest]

uninstall the game

[sterile moat]

Rossi fang yi is not as cooked as i thought when testing with xira flow

[drifting quest]

its bannerslop

it just works

by proxy of good individual units

[dry kindle]

Zfy Rossi tt gilb

[sterile moat]

Still need perlica

[dry kindle]

What the fuck is an extended timeline

Actually can zfy ult even dive

[drifting quest]

ult start 1 rot its a thing

[sterile moat]

This was me on full uge zfy when doing initial tests

[dry kindle]

Was about to say

Kinda wanna math xira set damage

Chests suck tho

Just off piece xiraflow ig

[upper dome]

tnx for help

[sterile moat]

I tested with 1 seal for this

Maybe 0 seal is too slow

[dry kindle]

What about xira kit

[sterile moat]

Xiranite?

I can try

[dry kindle]

Yeah

Will int uge

Probably better atk 🗿

Ok just me or endaxis still doesn't have zfy

[sterile moat]

Theres the one that someone made here

Has zfy

[sterile moat]

What pieces

[bold rose]

rossi endmin wulf gilb
anyone uses the new gear?

[tight haven]

nope

[noble tapir]

I bet physical changed again, huh

[tight haven]

chen goes back to swordmancer because of the ult dmg kits

thats about it

lifeng doesnt change

endmin and dapan dont seem to change

[noble tapir]

Oh ok, that's not too bad

[tight haven]

pog doesnt care

[noble tapir]

Pog still just on AI I assume

[tight haven]

yup

idt the damage difference from yinglung to swordmancer chen is like

big enough to even care about

i havent mathed it out but i just really doubt it

[bold rose]

huh
so I don't have to rush the new gear piece at all
I can just make more red

[dry kindle]

3 flow

[noble tapir]

Pretty sure my chen is still unartificed because I've been focused on vonne so it's probably worth swapping over for me

[bold rose]

Is it true that you always artifice the main line first over the stats

[drifting quest]

no

[dry kindle]

Mfw you don't have 500 catalysts spare

Oh fuck me right new catalysts are 300k

Go away game I'm not doing deliveries

[bold rose]

just dump it to some other guy

[thorn shore]

3 hours of rerolling for 3 deliveries for 1 artificing attempt

Count me in

[bold rose]

do you M3 combo on Rossi
or just ult + BA

[merry dune]

rerolling really did take that long for me today so awful

[dry kindle]

Ult combo

[sterile moat]

Ult in 4 skills 1 cs

[stone sorrel]

who uses the qingbo set

[dry kindle]

[thorn shore]

I tried that shit maybe I’m slow

But I couldn’t get 2nd Gil ult in time

I would get it on my final BS

[bold rose]

anyone got rot for ZFY Antal Perlica Arclight

[dry kindle]

Bleh

[thorn shore]

Antal bs perl bs Antal cs fangyi cs Fangyi bs Perl cs fangyi bs

Obviously just recast Antal when u need it not every rotation

Arc ult replaces a perl bs whenever you have it

It can also replace a fangyi cs

[bold rose]

just don't cast arclight bs right?

[thorn shore]

Don’t cast her bs

Cs is whatever just spam it whenever it’s up

[bold rose]

yeah bs sorry

gear?
i know zfy use 3 xiranflow + slab
what about everyone else
who's on xiranite duty

[thorn shore]

Tbh idek what other sets are there for Gil and Antal

I don’t care that much I run both on xiranite

They living their best life

[bold rose]

oh you can still use gil instead of arclight?
problem solved then my gil is on xiranite

[thorn shore]

Oh wait forgot the comp we were even talking about

[sterile moat]

Yea i think you really want a seal on 0
ult start

[thorn shore]

Most of these ppl prefer zfy perl arc Gil

Can’t tell you why

[sterile moat]

Way too long with slab

[thorn shore]

I replace arc in that comp with antal

Personally

[bold rose]

no antal is crazy I think you lose so much amp

[bold rose]

yeah I'm leaning your way too
zfy perl antal gilb

how is sp econ

[thorn shore]

It’s a struggle, hence why people lean arc

I don’t think it’s enough of a struggle to justify arc tho

U can make do

Arc just provides 10 sp here and there and saves a perl bs with her ult

Makes it clean and comfier

[drifting berry]

Also a lot of stagger 🔥

[dry kindle]

Just

Uge arclight

Fuck I wish frontier had uge kits

[drifting berry]

They have now I think?

[dry kindle]

No

Its another secondary tube

[drifting berry]

gg

[dry kindle]

Int main

[bold rose]

literally the same tube just swap main and sub stat

only for xaihi minmax nutjobs

[dry kindle]

And arclight

Except you need to yk use bs

[drifting quest]

the new tube is just

the old tube

but stats flipped

like

[thorn shore]

New vanguard confirmed

Adding their BiS gear in advance

This is it

Fangyi premium elec vanguard support next patch

[sterile moat]

If i needed uge, between these 2 gears, what would be a more optimal replacement

[thorn shore]

Without p1 would uge gloves even make ult faster

[sterile moat]

Xira flow gloves is elec dmg while kit is bs dmg

[sterile moat]

I have no clue

[thorn shore]

I think whenever I was mathing it you need the kit to be uge if you wanna speed up ult at all at p0 but also im partially braindead and mentally ill

With p1 then gloves would work cause extra sword

Extra sword start ends up being 18 extra ult energy over the course of 3 fangyi bs

Busted ass p1

[sterile moat]

I just have no idea which is more important between bs dmg and elec dmg

But gloves has a unoptimal stat distribution as well

[thorn shore]

Is the bs dmg in the same bucket

As all the dmg dealt modifiers

Slightly different wording

Either way I think the kit probably wins out

Need people who actually like using calculators

[thorn shore]

Actually surely it is bc it’d be way too big buff otherwise what am I on about

Still weird wording tho

[dry kindle]

Trust

[dry kindle]

P2 yes

[thorn shore]

Talking abt the kit 3rd stat

Xiranflow

Where it just says BS dmg instead of dmg dealt

[dry kindle]

All damage dealt and bonus and whatever is same layer

[thorn shore]

Ah

[dry kindle]

[bold rose]

that's just Li

[thorn shore]

Hope not

Li is at least 3 characters away

[bold rose]

What's the M3 order on ZFY
BS -> Ult -> Combo?
or BS -> Combo -> Ult

[thorn shore]

Our best bet is that sui girl

[thorn shore]

I’m too broke from recently completing Rossi team which isn’t even maxxed yet this sucks

At least Rossi team is still paying dividends one shotting new boss phase 1

[sterile moat]

I just find it beyond funny that rossi zfy is actually so viable

[bold rose]

what

[sterile moat]

Not sure if you must have p4 on both characters

[thorn shore]

It’s just by virtue of Rossi being Rossi

No crazy synergy

Ppl did the same shit with Laev Rossi Yvonne Rossi ember Rossi

You get a Rossi! You get a Rossi! You get a Rossi!

[bold rose]

Rossi is bs (in a good way)

[dry kindle]

For fuck sake

Trying to test zfy charge and rhod keeps phase changing

[drifting quest]

test in umbral

[thorn shore]

There’s the 2nd monument

Stage 3

That guys pretty chill

[neon knot]

artificing tangtang's gear in 1.1 was a fucking mistake lmao where artificer refund

[dry kindle]

Looping zfy ult not cold start

[dry kindle]

Stop being poor wdym you don't have 600 catalysts spare

[thorn shore]

Could try ruan yi

[drifting quest]

test it on any other boss then

triagg

[thorn shore]

No phase change just annoying starting jump

[drifting quest]

ruanyi might be a bit too squishy but prob ok

[neon knot]

I have bad impulse control and like to gamble

[thorn shore]

Wdym you don’t log on every single day and do your job before going to your job

[ripe adder]

do i need new gear for arclight

[neon knot]

some new pieces on frontier set

for tons of juicy ult gain

gloves and chest

[sterile moat]

Boss died before i got rossi ult but you get the point, i just needed 1 rossi bs

This is on xira flow + 1 kit replaced for uge on p4 zfy

[dry kindle]

[dry kindle]

Whel

[sterile moat]

Basically rossi sets up after zfy ults

[sterile moat]

I cant even deny it, its a whale only strat

[sour gazelle]

just wanna ask, is there any calcs on tt using the new qingbo gear mine is p1

[cold bane]

Wait what? What team is it even? ZF perlica gilberta rossi?

[sterile moat]

Idk, might be whale only strat

But it works

Synergy is so minimal but the numbers are so ridiculous

[molten star]

Is this how it should be done?

For arcloght

[sterile moat]

Yea thats the comp, but it might be way too slow without p4 on both ops

[thorn shore]

oh wait

the tech for double gil ult

was perl combo before zfy

so bs bs then you do fs cs bs chain

i think double gil buffed bs might be possible

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

[dry kindle]

Just max uge

With sig

Smh

And don't have p3 zfy

[thorn shore]

thats what i been doing for gil but im still not really able to hit it twice like that

[dry kindle]

Endaxis still hasn't updated so

[thorn shore]

i think i can hit two buffed gil bs if i get the right boss with that

i was fucking around with nefarith

but she jumps around and its annoying

[dry kindle]

Just buff first and last

[thorn shore]

ye

[drifting berry]

Done with base

https://tenor.com/view/perlica-dace-gif-1760428799735874686

Now wait for tomorrow for gear

[thorn shore]

u should probably just let it make 150 comps for gear then turn it off

turns out the same things u put into the new gear comps

is literally what fuels the economy

[dry kindle]

Just slap item control at 300 or something

[drifting berry]

Nah because that means changing stuff in base again

[thorn shore]

ok brokie

[dry kindle]

Its 1 belt 😭

[sterile moat]

Btw sworce, any rough idea if glove or kit is better to replace for uge?

[dry kindle]

Think it was kit or chest

[sterile moat]

hmm i think chest is too low in uge

kit it is then

[dry kindle]

[sterile moat]

bs dmg vs elec dmg

[dry kindle]

Just math your uge req smh

[sterile moat]

both are the same lol

its only a matter of which gives higher dmg

[thorn shore]

if ur p4

do u even need uge

[sterile moat]

yes

it saves like 2 skills

[dry kindle]

Cold starts are down bad

[dry kindle]

Probs bskill

[sterile moat]

like its a whole 20s difference

without uge

dont think its worth the trade off in 0 starts

[thorn shore]

i have come to the conclusion without saving up SP(impossible) or running arclight i deadass dont got the SP to cast enough BS to get gil ult back despite having the time

what a journey

[sterile moat]

you mean double ult gil during zfy ult?

[thorn shore]

on the other hand ive gotten better at the rotations 1 perl combo before and 1 perl combo during cuts out two fs cs rotations

[dry kindle]

Only 400 sp smh

[thorn shore]

yes

[sterile moat]

only need p4 gil

[dry kindle]

That's p3 zfy

[thorn shore]

• the 100 for the final bs

[thorn shore]

https://tenor.com/view/swiper-no-swiping-dora-the-gif-20975611

[sterile moat]

i wanna see how the p0 rossi zfy plays like

[thorn shore]

i got p1 zfy p1 gil thats about as far as im going

[dry kindle]

Fund me

[thorn shore]

oh wait ts aint even true it gets enhanced per level nvm

[teal pawn]

Rossi Tangtang Fangyi?

[sterile moat]

rossi zfy perlica gil

[teal pawn]

[dry kindle]

Can someone bribe hg to powercreep tt out of existence so I don't feel bad about skipping okty

[cold bane]

no slander for the supreme chief

[sterile moat]

hmm i need to test some other bosses with zfy

but i still see tt being good for bosses where you need to burst certain small mobs or parts

[thorn shore]

bro ok this is sum bullshit

[dry kindle]

Can't wait to unironically pull tt on rerun then she gets career ended as well as lr for ice comps

[thorn shore]

the electrification from ult bs doesnt stack

[dry kindle]

[thorn shore]

just overwrites

even if the previous elec was 2 or 3

fuck you its 1 now

[dry kindle]

Wut

[cold bane]

you could just pull on zfy banner and get tt from offbanner system surely

[dry kindle]

Yeah no I don't think I will

[thorn shore]

if level 2 elec on enemy, then bs while in ult, it becomes level 1

unlike if you perlica cs or sumn where itd just be 3 now

[dry kindle]

[thorn shore]

wait even if you perlica cs the elec applied by cs in ult

it wont stack

what the frick

[dry kindle]

Wut

[thorn shore]

idk i might be imagining shit

[rare zodiac]

Electrification don’t stack

[dry kindle]

You need to consume with cs to stack electrification

[thorn shore]

well yeah thats i meant im having a brain aneurysn

[sterile moat]

Got a better rota vid now

[thorn shore]

point being im not seeing jackshit stack

from cs or bs or whatever

nothings going anywhere

[dry kindle]

Are you consuming 🗿

[rare zodiac]

If you have electrification when use Fang CS, you will have( elec infliction stack + 1 ) lv of electrification

[thorn shore]

oh wait nvm nvm i see what was happening now mb guys

i was griefing

[crystal flicker]

u can tell Chief is HG favourite child with all the stuff they've given her both in lore and gameplay so no chance

[thorn shore]

gil ult griefs

gil ult combining with elec

resets stack level

cause fuck you

[rare zodiac]

Yeah if you use gilb you will need Arc to of set that nature by her free elec from ult

[thorn shore]

just need to cast a perlica bs and not consume it pre gil ult

cus i aint finna run arc

or just not build elec stacks pre ult

thats some bullshit

i thought fangyi was fucking me but it was gil combining elements

[dry kindle]

MF forgor

[thorn shore]

ts shouldnt grief tho it should increase stack level

[dry kindle]

Its nature inflict fuck you mean

Its just gonna corrosion

[rare zodiac]

Then again still have to deal with nature stack, either 100sp to clear it, or grief one Fang combo

Both sound awful to me

[thorn shore]

if i cast elec after and then it combines to make electrification

it griefs crazy

i was like fuck it i dont need corrosion ill just let it become electrification

but no

[dry kindle]

Yeah just

Eat it with arclight ult ig

Upgrade with zfy cs

[drifting berry]

No one is talking about this. Better than Dapan 🔥

[teal pawn]

Wait we got P3???

[rare zodiac]

Either use arc to smooth out the rot and sp requirements or swipe for p4 so that Fang just smooth herself out

[sterile moat]

i completed msq so far and didnt get it? might be second half

[teal pawn]

[thorn shore]

id rather just waste 100 sp and get corro

[outer ermine]

[thorn shore]

i aint dropping antal or gil for friggin arc

[sterile moat]

i can also use xira flow set, just need 1 additional skill and cs

[rare zodiac]

Then how long did you take to get to ult man

[dry kindle]

Whel

[thorn shore]

im just looking at ult starts rn

[rare zodiac]

Even with arc to smooth out you need like 50s

Are you gonna go for 80s run to get ult?

[sterile moat]

Use uge kit and call it a day?

why obsess over using slab for ult starts

[thorn shore]

tbh if i dont even bother doing anything besides antal bs before casting ults

gil ult wouldnt grief

maybe thats the play

i went back and looked at that speedrunning 30s vid and they cancelled it out by using the first inflict from the free bs

that could be a move

[dry kindle]

How do you cancel ebs

[outer ermine]

yea fuck it and go full ult looks more comfortable

[thorn shore]

i meant cancelled out the nature inflict

[sterile moat]

xiranite set works for 4 skill 1 cs also lmao

[dry kindle]

Me when zfy can trigger xiranite herself

[sterile moat]

its funny

[dry kindle]

Why all the chest uge options suck smh

[sterile moat]

wait a minute, if i am using x2 perlica skill anyway... i can run det unit on her.....

[outer ermine]

3bs+1cs not enuf?

[sterile moat]

1st one consumes perlica elec, then you need 2 perlica bs + 1 more zfy bs

for full charge

[digital bay]

oops wrong channel sorry

[sterile moat]

so minimum is 4 skills and 1 cs

then you need 1 more rossi bs to charge her up

but the post zfy ult rotation needs some ironing out

i havent thought about it properly

[outer ermine]

this too cursed for me

[sterile moat]

it works

and the damage is solid

but its like cursed af whale strat

[cyan tundra]

Hi, sorry if its the wrong channel for this, ive been trying to figure out when to use Rossi's skill on this team, I've been doing the Akekuri skill > Chen Skill > Rossi/Chen/Endmin Combo and finishing with the 4 stack endmin skill, but I feel like im missing a ton of damage by not using Rossi's, should I just use it in place of endmin skill and wait for energy recharge to cash out on the crush?

[sterile moat]

only works because numbers are ridiculously high

[outer ermine]

broken meets op

its funni cuz theres a 46s nef clear w just rossi per gil

and like 41s laev ross

[thorn shore]

What’re you gonna do when Rossi just one shots the boss

Busted ahh char

[sterile moat]

but i think the rota is only smooth if you have p4 on both chara

otherwise its probably too cursed

[outer ermine]

did u pull for wp pots too

[river ermine]

@sterile moat is rhere calc for rossi pog team

[sterile moat]

there might be on datafield

[sterile moat]

i only have p2 on her weap

[outer ermine]

i still need to set my aic megabase when

[dry kindle]

Sciel already did like 6h after patch

[outer ermine]

na?

[river ermine]

gee

[dry kindle]

Idk

[river ermine]

thats the only rossi pog datafield lmao

[dry kindle]

Ember 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[sterile moat]

chen + ake bs > rossi cs x2 > crush to sp refund
chen + ake bs > rossi bs + cs x2 > ult on rossi + chen

[outer ermine]

fuck its asia

i forgot whos mega base im even using so i dont wanna change shit

[cyan tundra]

oh ok, tyvm!

[sterile moat]

rip, i legit have no idea what the calcs are, i dont think people bothered for that comp?

like pog and endmin are kinda interchangeable in rota too

[river ermine]

i mean its prob hard to rot anyways i feel like

even wulf stacks arent that fast

[sterile moat]

oh

i tried it actually

its ok

[river ermine]

wulf ake ross pog?

[sterile moat]

with chen

theres no point in pog if you dont chen

whole reason is to breach to buff her ult

[river ermine]

so basically just chen solo glorified

lmao

how is it though

[sterile moat]

it works well but god knows wtf the calcs are

since inflictor can be replaced for tt also

[river ermine]

i guess random bs go

[sterile moat]

@river ermine

[outer ermine]

shatter when

[civic wolf]

is anything of Perlica's combat skill worth upgrading? seems like all of them are damage upgrades

[sterile moat]

you can be the representative shatter player

[sterile moat]

my vibe says that pog is probably better for the breach on chen ult

[river ermine]

um2-3 being shield damage is kinda annoying

[sterile moat]

idk if its just my endmin skills being level 1 but the sp refund timing is so weird

[river ermine]

doesnt endmin refund 50

im not seeing a 50 refund in ur vid tbh

[sterile moat]

yea

i missed the timing

but the rota would be the same anyway

[river ermine]

wait whats the timing

i thought it just consume the crystal fromher cs

[outer ermine]

rossi can eat it endmin hates that mf on that timeline

[river ermine]

wait lmao wtf

wait how does rossi consume the crystal? lift?

[paper sand]

im guessing qingbo is new bis for tangtang?

[sterile moat]

her cs seq 2

[river ermine]

ok so lift does consume crystal huh

[sterile moat]

yea phys status consumes it

you need to make sure to crush before the seq 2

pog is a lot more brain dead and forgiving

[outer ermine]

ah fuck doesnt work looks like im capped 21s first phase

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

[sterile moat]

You are killing neph?

[dry kindle]

L

Fund my tt

[outer ermine]

she hates u she came to me instead

[outer ermine]

yea
https://streamable.com/7o9i2q

from earlier

theres an interesting interaction w barriers on phase 2 but its basically 0sp start

[sterile moat]

Ahh the setup

[dry kindle]

[dry kindle]

Mfw shatter

[outer ermine]

was thinking of waiting to burst till alesh cs is up again

[sterile moat]

Idk about your blessing still hifumi

I won all the 50/50

On zfy

[dry kindle]

[outer ermine]

🤝 1 lifeng, 2ard, 1tt u stole my luck but i didnt need her so more purple for me

[sterile moat]

But the trade off was i hit soft pity on everything

[outer ermine]

LOL u did get my luck

im almost 500 on all cuz of that i envy enions luck on op

[sterile moat]

But then at this point zfy is so strong with rossi that i dont even care now

[dry kindle]

I hate both of you

[outer ermine]

have holo fund u

[dry kindle]

Where tt rerun

[sterile moat]

I got a jp trip and gilb to fund after

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[outer ermine]

take me

[sterile moat]

Going for isekaijoucho's concert

[main nova]

still need a better sp battery than arclight for Fangyi. Next character trust.

[drifting berry]

Mifu Vanguard

100%

trust

[sterile moat]

I am so happy that i dont have to build arclight to play zfy

[main nova]

that would be ideal

honestly i dont want to bench antal or perlica since they respectfully amp our ult dps

[finite iris]

I lvled arc to 60/80 just bcs double vanguard zfy seems fun xdd

[drifting berry]

Even people that play Arclight don't build her, default lvl 60, lvl 1 talents support.

[finite iris]

Perlica can't be benched basically

[rare zodiac]

Yeah when you said why not just use UGE piece i was like fuking enlightened, why tf didn’t i think about that

[sterile moat]

[rare zodiac]

Slab propaganda got me fr fr

[main nova]

yeah, that basically leave Arclight sp regen potential which is sometimes not fast enough to regen all those sp lost

[olive beacon]

how many acts of the story did they release? How long is the story?

[sterile moat]

2 acts

like 4 to 5 hour long? idk

[proven mauve]

lmao is her damage contribution rlly that bad jeez

combo bot

[drifting berry]

I though he mv were good but her combo skill does physical damage

[sturdy hill]

seems good

time for 1k will

[dry kindle]

Any zfy umbral vids yet

[sturdy hill]

can sb pls sponsor me pulls

so i can have her sig

[outer ermine]

theres cold starts on recresis but not umbral last time i checked

[dry kindle]

Gg umbral dead content

[sterile moat]

i can try

but idk if u gonna get zfy or rossi showcase

[dry kindle]

Where your xiraflow

[dry kindle]

P4 zfy showcase

[sterile moat]

true

[outer ermine]

i only have her built for dijang

bro i got new gears to worry abt for shatter

[dry kindle]

L

[sterile moat]

the 3 gear set is so sus, they are totally gonna release new stuff for it next patch and ruin whatever you build

[dry kindle]

Tf they gonna add

Uge chest

Oh well I still have 400 catalysts

[outer ermine]

cata w uge line

how

[dry kindle]

Dying from cringe

(Skipped tt and rossi)

[outer ermine]

L

[chilly bolt]

hifumi what's xaihi new int

with a max starry

[dry kindle]

Tt skip actual pain

Rossi whatever

Inb4 sui is another gilberta

[robust vault]

what is zhuang fangyi's skill priority?

[drifting berry]

Skill => Combo > Ult > Basics

[robust vault]

ty

[outer ermine]

i dont have new gear yet

it ahould be just enuf to break 1200

1217

[dry kindle]

Smhsmhsmhsmhsmh

[outer ermine]

i should prob calc my alesh int

[dry kindle]

Fuck

Bye bye atk

[chilly bolt]

Holy

@edgy crater

[dry kindle]

Another p3 brick

[outer ermine]

forgor something, should be 1217

[little walrus]

we can reach that? holy shiet

[chilly bolt]

[little walrus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/exusiai-arknights-texas-game-xif5jMMFlZ7w95KEfA

[outer ermine]

if u p5 starry

[sturdy hill]

%main stat supermarcy

[chilly bolt]

Any slab user ?

[sturdy hill]

half of my team is slab

[edgy crater]

p5 starry on xaihi?

[dry kindle]

Where cold start vids

[sterile moat]

so tldr, dont p3 unless you can p4

[dry kindle]

Actually I need to check if you should exit with combo or not

[outer ermine]

just search

uh

[dry kindle]

Would help the other thing as well

[outer ermine]

冷启动

hopefully this gear solves my ult issue

[civic wolf]

is anything of Perlica's combat skill worth upgrading? seems like all of them are damage upgrades

[sterile moat]

cs for cdr?

perlica could run the new qingbo near for cdr also

[daring dove]

Can we get Oblivion's essence anywhere but Wulling?

[civic wolf]

CDR?

[frigid vector]

combo is pretty big

esp with ZFY so you can align cooldowns

[sterile moat]

cooldown reduction

[sterile moat]

rossi zfy is viable lmao

[daring dove]

[civic wolf]

i dont see any cdr- are you kidding me.

[frigid vector]

mastery 3

[civic wolf]

1 second reduction on M3??

bruh

[frigid vector]

yeah

[dry kindle]

Yeah

-6 crowns

Wait do you actually need m3 for the line up

[river ermine]

you need qingbo

fangyi cs is 18(17)
perli is 20(19)

qingbo makes 20 -> 17

[dry kindle]

Yeah is it qb + m3 or not

[river ermine]

no

.15 x 20 is 3 ❤️

[dry kindle]

This wording sucks

[sterile moat]

but elec takes time to land so hmm...

1 extra sec wont hurt

[river ermine]

uh

actually perlica elec is like

[dry kindle]

Eh just perlica first slot good enough surely

[river ermine]

.7s faster than fangyi lol

[frigid vector]

you want perlica 2nd slot

[river ermine]

you do not

[frigid vector]

you do because of timestop

[river ermine]

just same frame double cs

[frigid vector]

you get both ZFY combo and pelica at the same time

then you use ZFY first

and perlica second

[river ermine]

yes and perlica actually hit faster lol

[frigid vector]

the timestop on perlica's skill means that ZFY is held

so she hits first

if you have perlica first that means you need to delay ZFY's skill for perlica's to land first

[frigid vector]

since the timestop holds her in place

[sterile moat]

i still dont understand the tech behind perlica first slot

[dry kindle]

I just mash anyway

[river ermine]

just mash

genuinely just mash button

[frigid vector]

yeah perlica is second here

I meant team order

you use her skill second

so that she lands first

[river ermine]

oh i misread it mb

lmao

[dry kindle]

No thoughts head empty

[frigid vector]

if you have perlica team slot 1st if fucks it up

[dry kindle]

Spam ebs

[frigid forge]

This is due to the timeslow effect of the combos

[dry kindle]

Kill rhodagn because zfy numbers

[frigid vector]

aye

I think ZFY

[river ermine]

a lot of ppl at the first day said to slot perlica first and i was like, do we rly need that

[frigid vector]

the worst rho speedrun char we've gotten

[river ermine]

worst as in

[frigid vector]

but I think she's getting good times on marble

as in like

she isn't gonna be doing rossi 13s speedkills

[dry kindle]

Me when lr tt and rossi comps

[river ermine]

i mean at least fangyi is doing about 20ish sec in p0

[frigid vector]

fastest I've seen is like

low 20s

ye

[river ermine]

laev cant rly hit this number lol

[dry kindle]

Where's my TT rerun

[frigid vector]

even with P5 I don't think it's that much better since it's all setup

[river ermine]

pull more

[frigid vector]

but her dmg is nuts

[dry kindle]

Fund me

[frigid vector]

we need tankier bosses

[river ermine]

yeah its p much avy upscale

[river ermine]

fund urself

[dry kindle]

Best I can do is 4m

[frigid vector]

I don't think anything lives long enough for a full ult rotation on fangyi

[river ermine]

we need electric stacker ❤️

[dry kindle]

Yellow wulfgard

[river ermine]

lvl4 electrif consume mult is insane

its like 2.2k%

[dry kindle]

Mifu hypersupport

[frigid vector]

tbh we need an electric stacker that's SP neutral or positive

[dry kindle]

Trust

[daring dove]

Ok am I crazy to be considering using my Esssence selector to craft Oblivion essence so I can save my Wulling stock bills. It seems like a really dumb thing to do considering I could get unlucky with a future operators essence & that saves me if so.

[river ermine]

thisd creep wulf so bad

[dry kindle]

2142

[sterile moat]

@daring dove i havent optimised post zfy ult yet

[river ermine]

rounded up

[dry kindle]

[sterile moat]

i think even op needs to optimise if i switch to det perlica

[dry kindle]

Rossi zfy gilb cold start 🥹

Truly just use big number gameplay

[outer ermine]

+.7% uge from previous gear

[frigid vector]

considering

we have no shortage of like

.5 energy missing for a threshold

that's actually something 😔

[wild rose]

What gear are you using on Fangyi here?

[dry kindle]

P3:

[sterile moat]

xira flow + xiranite uge kit

fangyi is p4 here

[wild rose]

oh I see

[river ermine]

kit?

goddamn

[daring dove]

Looks pretty cool, I'm not sure it's worth it over focusing on Fangyi damage though. That said her supports outside of Perlica are pretty mid right now so many that is a thing.

[dry kindle]

There's a few things p3 zfy fuckin griefs

Like double gilb ult

[daring dove]

You kind of have two self contained mini-teams working together.

[river ermine]

p1 laev moment

[dry kindle]

Or just self charging with slab

😭

[outer ermine]

ill take it, its 699.8 total int so i can be a bit cheap on artif atleast

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[outer ermine]

if u just gave me all ur catalyst i wouldnt even be suffering

[sterile moat]

pretty sure its still worth it since rossi ult is insane dmg

[river ermine]

has there been a rot made for fangyi team?

[sterile moat]

but needs further optimising

[frigid vector]

0 ult start is pretty straightforward

full ult start gonna really ride on comp

[river ermine]

is it just perli cs bs looping

[frigid vector]

ya

nothing else you can do

600sp minimum

[river ermine]

jesus fuck

[frigid vector]

and then depends on the char

[sterile moat]

400 sp minimum

[frigid vector]

if you run slab with sp neutral or positive chars

like double vanguard or gil

[dry kindle]

the full xiranite build:

[river ermine]

can we run arc to minimize it ❤️

[dry kindle]

[frigid vector]

you do a 4th battle skill

that gives you enough to ult

and then just burst

if you have antal or arde you need P4 or poncho

[river ermine]

antal inting the squad

[frigid vector]

https://youtu.be/HZwY61nlkAg

but ye legit just

loop

hardgated by ult energy

[heavy tangle]

is xiranite kit ever worth it over lynx for 0 energy start at p1?

[sterile moat]

yes, because you are gonna add like 20s to rotation without it

[river ermine]

wait its

[dry kindle]

kit makes 369 doable

[river ermine]

each blade for 36s right?

[frigid vector]

p1 zfy can get away with lynx on antal

but only antal

[bronze plume]

Damn shes fine?

[frigid vector]

cause the extra infliction can get you more blades early for energy

[river ermine]

🤔 maybe fangyi is self sustainable for looping

[dry kindle]

gg

p1 checked

[dry kindle]

she is

242

[heavy tangle]

yea… i read about that but dont wanna play antal xD HAHAAHA

[dry kindle]

4 bs 36 blade hits

[river ermine]

whats the 4 here

[dry kindle]

guess

🗿

[river ermine]

🗿

[dry kindle]

the fuck you think it is 🗿

[river ermine]

idk bro

[daring dove]

What's your overall thoughts on Fangyi rn, personally I think she's got some pretty insane potential but is missing a key support to bring that out of her.

[river ermine]

0 clue

[dry kindle]

zfy bs

you dork

[river ermine]

bruh

[sterile moat]

fangyi is like insane as a whale, a lot of flexibility and crazy strats

[bronze plume]

Wait till some kinda energy support

[dry kindle]

aka

[river ermine]

what if we run

[dry kindle]

mifu

[river ermine]

redeemer armor

or would that tank her dmg hard

bcs its int stat

[sterile moat]

like rossi zfy works because of their p4s

[daring dove]

Stats I can't disagreee with pretty sure she's going to end up being over 7.5k ATK for me unbuffed today.

[river ermine]

whel territory

[bronze plume]

Thats just whale shit tho slap any p5 6 stars together and itll work

[dry kindle]

absolutely cooked

[sterile moat]

it works because zfy ult has elec inflic

which rossi can use to finish the setup

actually you dont even need to setup with gilb p2

LOL

its like exclusive whale only strat

[daring dove]

Maybe the main blocker for me is I can't get over removing Tangtang from my team to make it happen. That said if anyone was going to remove Tangtang from a team it would be the god of the entire region.

[dry kindle]

scallion

[sterile moat]

tt still good if its bosses with add phase that needs to burst

so its flex spot there tt / zfy

[outer ermine]

ight its pretty cheap noice dont even need to artif gloves

[dry kindle]

i dont have any max kits gg

[sterile moat]

just sub with seal

i am sure you have at least 1 max seal

[dry kindle]

[dry kindle]

only max uge

[sterile moat]

idk if xira flow zfy or xiranite is better

need more testings

[dry kindle]

need endaxis to update

[sterile moat]

4 skill ult is a lot smoother for sure

but maybe

qb perlica is enough to smooth out the rota for xira flow

[daring dove]

This is the correct setup for Perly yeah?

[dry kindle]

yep thats qingbo

[outer ermine]

striker

hand me ur blueprints

pls

[dry kindle]

just

steal from channel below

smh

oh yeah do we have any sane timelines that trigger arclight talent yet 💀

[daring dove]

Just use his 6 blueprints for each base, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_VYAltWUq0

[sterile moat]

I need to work out rota when incorporating det unit on perlica, idk about sig vs stanza for gilb tho

[daring dove]

Only thing you need to add is 4x Xirante production to the top of your main base.

[sterile moat]

Then post ult zfy is a bit finicky still, when optimising

[dry kindle]

ngl just properly read zfy combo

[edgy crater]

u can use ur old base setup, just extend it

[dry kindle]

its kinda funny

me when i turn perlica combo into a lv4

me when the game lies

[daring dove]

To be honest the setup for the new base is silly levels of complex.

[dry kindle]

shouldnt lv1 electrifation + lv2 inflict give lv4 elec

[sterile moat]

Yea pretty sure i am not upgrading properly

[dry kindle]

unless zfy combo is also an override

[frigid vector]

fangyi is just

an override yeah

[dry kindle]

gg

[frigid vector]

it's current infliction level + 1 if there is electrification on it

[dry kindle]

no fun

forgot i made laev uge set

[odd wren]

Hmmmm

Ult endmin i wonder

[craggy pond]

it's not

it adds to existing ones

[dry kindle]

its an override

[frigid vector]

it's not an addition

if you have level 2 elec

[rare zodiac]

It override, infliction stack + 1 if there is electrification beforehand

[frigid vector]

and then you try doing 2 inflictions

it'll be level 3 not level 4

[craggy pond]

i literally spent the entire day testing rotations with her

[frigid vector]

I mean same, I can get a video

gimme a sec

[craggy pond]

if there's an existing electrification then she adds to it, that alone means it's not an override

[dry kindle]

smh payed off by hoyo

[frigid vector]

wait

that's not the right game

[dry kindle]

its overriding

[craggy pond]

the mechanics can be more nuanced, but it's still not an override

[dry kindle]

can we cancel arclight ult

or we just praying enemy walks outside

[wraith violet]

does anyone have a comprehensive resource for game mechanics (mainly infliction stacks, forced inflictions, how they interact, etc)

[rare zodiac]

You can try elec 2 and Fang CS with 2 infliction, comeback when you get 4 instead of 3

[frigid vector]

what's the nuance to it exactly? since the skill desc itself outlines it's +1

but I can get vid

[craggy pond]

override to me refers to replacement

[frigid vector]

yes

it even uses fangyi's arts intensity stat when determining things

[craggy pond]

means it just replaces whatever existing ones with the one she provides, but she still adds to it

[rare zodiac]

It does replace tho? It only +1 if there is elec beforehand

It doesn’t care what lv elec that it was

[craggy pond]

it's not even +1 either, if there's an elec beforehand and 3 stacks, then it becomes lvl 4

[frigid vector]

3 stacks becmes level 4

because it's 3 stacks + 1

look at the above

2 + 2 = 3(?)

[rare zodiac]

It is elec infliction + 1

[frigid vector]

it's because it's 2 stacks +1

[craggy pond]

so if there's existing ones, then it takes from the current status level and add 1

and not that existing one

[frigid vector]

could you explain what's happening with the video then

[river ermine]

uh what

its just if you apply electrification with cs and theres alrd an electrification exist its infliction+1 status level

it doent take from the current status level

[dry kindle]

status level is inflict

not reaction

[craggy pond]

yes, that's what i'm referring to

[dry kindle]

the cskill wording do suck

[river ermine]

no?

[frigid vector]

could you give me an example

[craggy pond]

you could say it's override with a nuance

[frigid vector]

of a situation kji

where it would "add"

[river ermine]

If Electrification is forcibly applied to an enemy that already has Electrification, then apply Status Level +1 to the enemy's Electrification.

this is pretty clear

[dry kindle]

yeah

the last part

wording ass

can be interpreted as adds

[river ermine]

oh the 2nd clause does kinda suck yeah

anyways, how long does it usually take end axis to update

[craggy pond]

this wording just sucks tbh, i didn't even understand what they meant until i spent the entire afternoon testing it

[dry kindle]

inb4 dev quit as well

[tawny lagoon]

only been like a bit more than a day

How's Fangyi compared to other dps?

[river ermine]

its referring to the original sentence
"then it will consume the said Electric Infliction stack(s), forcibly apply Electrification,"

[wraith violet]

sorry im interjecting but i got curious on how exactly this works, can someone tell me what the following would result in
2 electrification + 1 ele combo = ? electrification

[dry kindle]

do i do it

[dry kindle]

2

[rare zodiac]

Lv2 electrification

[wraith violet]

so overriding doesnt care abt the level of the original electrification just that one exists

[river ermine]

gg bro

[wraith violet]

[craggy pond]

i say it adds because in the event that there's an existing electrification, it adds 1 on top of the amount consumed. In a way, you could interpret that as "addition" where the amount added is capped at 1

[wraith violet]

thanks

[dry kindle]

💀

[river ermine]

ggs

[rare zodiac]

You want to do Fang rot?

[craggy pond]

you could say the +1 is part of the mechanics, but it's still part of the skill design itself

[river ermine]

ye

[rare zodiac]

Try this https://endfield.metriclabs.net/

[sterile moat]

whats the typical post ult zfy burst like

[river ermine]

same loop no?

[tawny lagoon]

Who are like the most knowledgeable peeps here?

[river ermine]

just keep looping but now you are actually refreshing the 9 blades

[craggy pond]

you mean like dmg? Or rotation

[rare zodiac]

P4? I thing 3BS 2 CS is enough? 9 blade right?

[sterile moat]

the rotation when she is in ult form

[river ermine]

oh

during ult

i thought you meant after the ult lol

[craggy pond]

i mean it's just ebs -> fs -> cs repeat

[river ermine]

bs fs cs bs fs cs bs fs cs bs fs cs bs fs cs

welcome to fangyi gameplay

[rare zodiac]

BS FS CS repeats until you can’t

[craggy pond]

she's self sufficient

[rare zodiac]

Amazing gameplay right?

[daring dove]

Kinda funny how Rossi is the only operator to never get her own 3/3 match outpost.

[river ermine]

child labor 🥀

[sterile moat]

i play rossi zfy so....

get to have more fun

[rare zodiac]

She eat all the sp, outside ult, inside ult? It doesn’t matter, she just suck it all

[craggy pond]

basically surtr gameplay except the fs is divided into 2 steps

[fluid marsh]

is fangyi sig confirmed bis?

[honest hill]

that's why he P5'd

[craggy pond]

though while surtr explicitly requires 4 fangyi can just do whatever

[rare zodiac]

I think anyone sig is their BiS

[river ermine]

fair enough

[craggy pond]

bis and it's not even close

i still dk why they thought these are regular numbers

it's basically dual wielding khrav

[tawny lagoon]

get sig or bust?

[craggy pond]

personally i always grab sig if it's dps but it's more of a personal preference

[rare zodiac]

Sig is just more dmg, it doesn’t change her rot

[tawny lagoon]

is she good compared to other dps?

[sterile moat]

depends

[rare zodiac]

Have you read her first Combat talent name?

She is basically that

[craggy pond]

i mean it depends on the criteria but overall yes

[fluid marsh]

how are her sig dupes

[tawny lagoon]

criteria? I guess, is she top 3 dps for speed clears?

[sterile moat]

Rossi is still king of burst dps

[craggy pond]

pretty crazy numbers if you ask me

[rare zodiac]

She have crazy number and dps but need long ram up time if 0 ult start

[tawny lagoon]

the fact that Rossi is not just a great dps but also has so much potential for future team builds especially for physical is impressive

[craggy pond]

speed clear is a bit more tricky for her because she's a backloaded dps

[frigid vector]

fangyi is queen for any long fights but rossi mogs for anything where you kill in 1 ult

[craggy pond]

which basically means she requires time to ramp up

[frigid vector]

you can see how the latest bossi s fangyi shill cause of the phase split lol

[craggy pond]

once she's in that state then she's basically omnipotent

but it does take a while

[frigid vector]

aoe fangyi does really well too, so umbral she does great

not gonna be all that competitive for rho speedruns but really good for most umbral stages and multi-phase fights is the angle

[dry kindle]

or yk

cc

i hope

[rare zodiac]

Fang is great at draw out fights

[frigid vector]

umbral bosses I think rossi may still have an edge but we'll need to see since the current 3-3 is very rossi focused

[rare zodiac]

Possibly the greatest

For now

[frigid vector]

enemies need more HP for her to really shine

ye

[tawny lagoon]

but zhuang very selfish right?
so easy to powercreep

meanwhile rossi provide vulnerability for team,
so can become sub dps if she gets powercrept at worst case

[craggy pond]

i mean she has the best of both worlds

[sturdy hill]

thoughts on which one
ignore optimizing for rots and speed clearing

[craggy pond]

main downside is setup time but that's overall negligible

[tawny lagoon]

I dont like Laevatain bc she's so selfish, so I might not like Fangyi as well (gameplaywise)

[craggy pond]

you could say that to any hypercarries, they're made to fulfill a specific goal, and that being dominating a certain era

they're not made with futureproofing in mind

[tropic oasis]

wonder how comfy this is vs xiranflow+1slab

[tawny lagoon]

true, but rossi can become sub dps to even better physical dps in the future

[dry kindle]

just add more supports always works

[craggy pond]

i feel like it's just the 2 slabs surtr story all over again

[dry kindle]

[sturdy hill]

also trying to getting highest will as possible

[sterile moat]

good if you ult start, miserable in 0 ult

[craggy pond]

0 ult, takes probably a minute to set everything up

[sterile moat]

not even p4 zfy wanna slab in 0 ult lmao

[tawny lagoon]

how do people get like 800 agi on their Rossi's?
Whaling?

[sturdy hill]

dont worry

i have

more than 7k atk pog in the bg

[tropic oasis]

Yeah I might just make a second set and test since there's nothing to do with parts anyway

[craggy pond]

i mean 3 rotations is her standard so it's not that bad

[tropic oasis]

But it might just be different with p4 ZFY to make UGE/x2 Slab worth

[rare zodiac]

Doesn’t 3BS 3 CS will get you to full even with slab at p4

[craggy pond]

you could go full uge for 2 rotations ult but idk if that's worth it

[sterile moat]

why 3 rotations when you can cut it to 1.5 or 2

[craggy pond]

it's just the same old argument between dps & dpr

[sturdy hill]

so in conclusion its going to be ult gain right

[craggy pond]

if you prefer a more consistent flow then you'd go uge, if you just want big pp dmg then you ignore it

[sterile moat]

yea and thats +20s to your rotation

[tropic oasis]

I mean before CC comes out, I argue in favour of comfymaxing

[craggy pond]

it's just personal preference

[tropic oasis]

[craggy pond]

there's not really a concrete right or wrong

[sturdy hill]

ig thats the end

[craggy pond]

same argument between hw surtr & uge surtr

community is divided

[daring dove]

I mean at whale investment it's pretty obviously ult gain Surtr at this point.

[rare zodiac]

That true, with UGE you can get in ult with 3 BS 1 CS

[daring dove]

Hot-Works DMG bonus is irrelevant.

[sterile moat]

uge surtr had a massive difference in dmg, for zfy you cut 20s just by including 1 uge slot

the drop is less significant

[sturdy hill]

no sig pls understand

also

[tropic oasis]

Hmm why is the atk so low

[craggy pond]

the world of whales had always been different, most of their arguments simply don't apply to the average player anyway

[sturdy hill]

no sig

[tropic oasis]

Oh right

[craggy pond]

at the level of an average player it's outright misinfo even

[tawny lagoon]

damn, why does Pog have so much WIll

[sturdy hill]

the difference between no sig and yes sig is pretty big

[modern verge]

Do I give perlica wild wanderer or detonation unit in ZF team?

[tawny lagoon]

show us your Rossi

[daring dove]

Fair I think most of these arguments come down to investment to be fair. If you have Fangyi

[sturdy hill]

unraised

[daring dove]

Weapon P5, you already have more DMG bonus than you know what to do with. If it was P0 the set effects can be more important.

[tawny lagoon]

@sturdy hill wait, you have p5 weapons?

[sturdy hill]

no

pot4 or 3

never rest

[tawny lagoon]

or does Pog just have such high default Will

[sturdy hill]

2 slab

6-5-2 or 6-5-3 essence on never rest

glove and armor have will as main stat

[tropic oasis]

Are you on double slabs UGE as well?

[sturdy hill]

this one is the actual slabless

[kindred sorrel]

So does p5/p5 zfy change her gearing/team/team mate gearing?

[frigid vector]

it makes oblivion more competitive for perlica since p5 weapon is very dmg % saturated

[craggy pond]

it mainly has to do with p5 sig

[frigid vector]

and lets her run slab even in 700sp rotations and still 3/3 ult

[tawny lagoon]

I wish there was a channel where people posted their character stats

[craggy pond]

at p5 sig you have so much dmg% it's probably valid to a certain degree to just ditch the set

[kindred sorrel]

Does perlica run pulsar or qingbo if maxed

[craggy pond]

since the dmg% bonus barely matters

[frigid vector]

qingbo for cdr alignment

[daring dove]

I'm on standard setup for now, gives me more build flexibility to alter things as / when I need to. I haven't tested her enough yet to form a proper opinion. That an I'm not so sure she makes sense for me to even run right now. As it means dropping Tangtang from my team & I'm not sure Fangyi is better than Tangtang. Basically I'm still quite divided on her & if I should run her now or wait for her inevitable support to come along an "fix" her.