theorycrafting

[burnt bough]

I guess 4th slot might be flexible then?

[warped idol]

guess so

[burnt bough]

Might just shove the Sheep in there

[warped idol]

personally I'd slot Avywenna there but you can also do Akekuri or Ardelia ....

[burnt bough]

oh

Yeah I'll do Avy

Akekuri is on Rossi team

I have Avy quite built

[honest hill]

@warped idol wait could u do 3/4 corro w gilb ult into arc ult for electrification then idk

[warped idol]

btw Ardelia likely wont do much here

because there's no corrosion

[warped idol]

zfy will starve

where sp

[honest hill]

she wants kids so badly

[burnt bough]

I mean

[warped idol]

3 nature is electric lv 3 which gives 3 swords, same as lv2

[hallow lynx]

oh man, so what areyou thinking? zfy/perlica/akekuri/ardelia?

[warped idol]

and it gets consumed right after

[honest hill]

lv 1 elec gib 2 swords?

[warped idol]

yes

the damage gets better with each electrification level but I'm """feelscrafting"""" that the difference wont be enough to justify wasting another 100sp

[honest hill]

true

[hallow lynx]

whoops i mean zfyi/perlica/akekuri/avy

[burnt bough]

So let me get this straight..she needs specifically electrification right, not the eletric stacks thing?

[hallow lynx]

who needs heals anyway

[warped sorrel]

i like this where did you get this

[warped idol]

she can also use electric stacks since her combo skilll converts it into electrification

[burnt bough]

Ah

[warped idol]

I made it

[warped sorrel]

can i steal it

[warped idol]

if you can somehow convert electric inflict into electric reaction for free, then you'll have saved zfy's combo skill cooldown which seems to be ~16 seconds from counting it on the dev stream

[warped idol]

sure

[burnt bough]

watch all of this completely blow up because of the new gear being added lol

[warped idol]

we also pretty much know what her new gear does

I dont think we know what the other new gear does tho

[burnt bough]

oh really?

[honest hill]

Yes

They showed it by accident

[burnt bough]

Might've missed that

[honest hill]

It was in chinese

[burnt bough]

oh

fug

[honest hill]

so it was translated

Now we know

[burnt bough]

Where could I find this?

[honest hill]

I forgot

[honest hill]

So 15 30 45%

[warped idol]

no it's more like 45% at lv4 electric and stack to a total of 3 times

so 135%

[honest hill]

Ohh

[warped idol]

before you celebrate, I want to wish you luck getting 3 lv4 electric stacks in 25 seconds

[honest hill]

Won't happen ever

[warped idol]

this the image if you want to translate it separately

[warped idol]

assuming this is zfy's tailor made gear (like hotworks for surtur) we can also guess that her sub stat will be Intellect

[dry kindle]

They gain stacks equal to level

[daring dove]

90% of arts unit characters either have int or will as main / sub to be honest.

If not all of them.

So yeah it's pretty much a given.

[warped idol]

[drifting quest]

antal is the only one in current version that doesnt have exactly int will combo

[normal tangle]

?

no where are you getting that from

[warped idol]

dont fact check me on this im not confident

im inferring from the translation

[normal tangle]

it's max of 45%

[normal tangle]

lv 4 electric isn't even 45 that'd be 60

[honest hill]

Yes will main int substat

[daring dove]

That's how I got it, to be honest it's a pretty insigificant set bonus. Considering I reckon Fangyi will end up with 200-300% BS DMG bonus from what I can tell so far.

[honest hill]

His math isn't mathing psychic

[warped idol]

ok 180 is ridiculous

guess that's not true then

[normal tangle]

what are these numbers from

[honest hill]

No one getting 180 lmao

[warped idol]

thats the reason why I kinda thought the stacking was true

[honest hill]

Unless u somehow do in 25s

[daring dove]

Sig buffs BS DMG a ton / the gear set sub-stat shown is arts damage bonus for battle skill as well I think. An then there's the set bonus as well.

[warped idol]

because no one's getting 2 stacks of electric4 within 25 seconds

if someone can do that they honestly deserve the dmg bonus

[daring dove]

My Tangtang has 260% BS damage bonus, I'd be extremely surprised if Fangyi wasn't the same / higher.

So we're absolutely dealing with saturation here it's just a question of how much.

[dry kindle]

Still 10% atk set

So

As probable slab user

[daring dove]

Yeah her ATK will be high no doubt, possibly reaching the 7k range.

She's going to have a minimum of 49% ATK (assuming her pots don't give any) plus slab which actually matches her main stat.

She's either 6.5+ ATK fully built or 7k+

[warped idol]

we will need actual tc to see if slab or a bs dmg kit is better on her

[daring dove]

There's little need I think she'll be so saturated on DMG% that slab should easily win.

Still a calc to confirm would be nice.

[dry kindle]

Slab

Assuming don't need off piece uge 🗿

[gritty olive]

if you want to get over a 200% dmg bonus buff, i think for some reason you should have more of the sub attribute than the main atrribute

[drifting quest]

the patch isnt even today

for some reason i thought it was

[warped idol]

same I thought it was the 16th until I checked twitter

[drifting quest]

means the numbers are either fake or a leak

shame

they leaked early last patch

[honest hill]

Just wait 1/2 days

[dry kindle]

🗿

Oh right I need to do rossi story

Bleh

[outer ermine]

only tw likes puns

[smoky quarry]

shuo is talking normal again

is he cured?

[drifting quest]

the bit ran its course

(people were bitching)

[drifting quest]

the fault lies with me

[honest hill]

Woman

[terse valley]

Holy shit Lyn from Fire Emblem Heroes

[smoky quarry]

When are they gonna do new starset collaboration, I want more peak

[next helm]

Woman of sacae

[honest hill]

Sacae?

[next helm]

Lyn

[honest hill]

Oh

[terse valley]

sacaez nuts

[dry kindle]

Just 1 day until

[drifting quest]

whale

[honest hill]

Whalee

[dry kindle]

More like I just 10 pulled zfy and didn't pull sig in 5

[honest hill]

You're contributing to hypergryph's spaceship funds

[drifting quest]

holy copypasta

[pure spoke]

Damn it got deleted

Mods doing their job

[drifting quest]

between the GL staff showing up and the constant arguments maybe there's actual moderation now

[dry kindle]

[normal tangle]

does gilb’s uge% on sig affect any rot by a decent amount

[drifting quest]

plenty of them

[normal tangle]

like, enough to shaft stanza for?

[drifting quest]

yes

[normal tangle]

mm i see

ig i’ll pull gilb sig when she comes around

[dry kindle]

-15000 arsenal certs

[drifting quest]

does it matter

[normal tangle]

does what matter

[drifting quest]

running uge rots

[normal tangle]

for umbral and cc i would say so

anything that isn’t a protocol space

well i guess we don’t know if we start at 100% energy for cc

[normal tangle]

are you saying it doesn’t or like

lowk idk what this is implying

[dry kindle]

Extended timeline dps increase over stanza rots

[sterile moat]

I will be extremely surprised if we started at 100%

[dry kindle]

Something something cope rua isnt an asshole with cc stage design

[sterile moat]

It does for sure, you need the uge on delivery to sync with your other ults most of the time

Sometimes i max uge on all gears and its still barely enough to fit certain rotations

[dry kindle]

Something something returned sp

[sterile moat]

bane of my existence, too much returned sp that it screws with ult gains

[dry kindle]

Just overflow sp

[sterile moat]

returned sp gets consumed last?

[dry kindle]

First

Overflow sp so returned gets removed 🗣️

[sterile moat]

oh you mean 300sp lel

[dry kindle]

Yeah

Just don't play the game for 50sp

[soft tendon]

does that actually work

[dry kindle]

Think so

We don't talk about it being a good idea though 🗿

[vapid flame]

was curious, did chen bs, cs, endmin cs, bs. left is immediate endmin bs right is waiting for 300sp + 20 sec

[sterile moat]

interesting

[civic wolf]

Rossi investment prio for M3?

Ult M3?

[chilly bolt]

Ult first if arts, cs first if physical, but either way both are good to M3

[outer ermine]

holy fuck i thought patch was tonight

[chilly bolt]

Tmr trust

[bronze plume]

Naur basically 24hrs from now

[dry kindle]

Dumbass smh

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

[chilly bolt]

https://youtu.be/e0N-S1FSc8Y?si=s5Uka2hnR5zdQhfa

the music is a banger

[edgy crater]

go sleep

[willow blade]

I love the accent with Rossina but omg are the lines making me cringe

[grand lagoon]

rossina

[terse valley]

embrace the cringe

be free

[willow blade]

I gets more cringe when your used to the Chinese voiceover

Imagine they did regional Chinese accents in the cn voice

Or just used any of the countless diffrent dialects

[outer ermine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1052547707350290503/1240108747053994015/ezgif-1-b9d46a23dc.gif

[heady jungle]

How much better is P5 rossi sig compare to p1?

[dry kindle]

https://vxb23.tv/bfG45yO

[dry kindle]

Fund my tt

[wild rose]

According to Maygi

Team damage increase is lower if you're using Endmin

[heady jungle]

Thx

[cold bane]

ooh, interesting? rossi cs deals so much damage its worth M3?

[wild rose]

She gains a higher Crit Rate and Crit DMG buff from it at M3

[willow blade]

why link me this?

[cold bane]

I forgor

[warped sorrel]

Holy

Weapon potential is op

[dry kindle]

Its the cn one

[outer ermine]

paypall 30k meat

and where tf r u gonna get her

[dry kindle]

Zfy offbanner

Duh

[outer ermine]

bros getting losing to rossi i can feel it

ping when u do so i can laugh

[dry kindle]

Lose to lr

[outer ermine]

to lifeng

[dry kindle]

Yay then I can make phys

🗿

[outer ermine]

actually thats pretty good to ember

wut comp do u even play

[dry kindle]

Homeless laev

Not even p5 wulf

[outer ermine]

https://cunnyx.com/Balisico_/status/2044401781115916658
u can have this cute wulf rossi

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[dry kindle]

Sure

Fund my sig pulls then

🗿

[outer ermine]

if u lose ur first 5050 to tt

[dry kindle]

I die from cringe

I only have 8600 arsenal

[outer ermine]

more than enuf u only need 1980

[dry kindle]

I swear if I still don't get p5 wulf

[bronze plume]

just wait till they actually give 5 stars rate ups on banners

[molten star]

To play ZF with arcloght, you shouldnt use arclight's bs right

[wild rose]

Yeah

[molten star]

So she would be missing that buff which gives .08% dmg boost for every intellect that you get after using bs?

[wild rose]

Yes. It's most likely not really worth having Arclight consume the electrification which Fangyi could have

[molten star]

So there's no benefit in leveling up arcloght after level 60 for gold gear right

[wild rose]

Yep

[bronze plume]

the only thing is ability to stay alive when not on field character if you care to use them in umbral

might be the same for cc as well

[raven terrace]

will the Endmin remove the mask oen day?

[wild rose]

Probably, wouldn't have modeled a face underneath otherwise

[raven terrace]

i hope soon, cause i saw some images of her without mask and seems very cute Q_Q

[bronze plume]

i mean theres lots of artwork without the mask

i actually dont remember if the mask like serves a purpose or anything

[edgy crater]

mask basically endmin limiter

[gritty olive]

Endmin woke up

Think of it as bicycle training wheels

[bronze plume]

oh so its jut to help wit da rock cancer controlling they can do

[edgy crater]

yeah kinda

[bronze plume]

thats what the mask is for

type shit

[wild rose]

that's what the point of the mask is

[outer ermine]

[bronze plume]

put the mask back on endmin 🥀

[outer ermine]

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

Where your m3 combo

[outer ermine]

ask hg

cheap mfs

[dry kindle]

Poor

[outer ermine]

when u doing my cryptic i have a few crowns there

[edgy elk]

patience hifu, more cryptic coming soon

[dry kindle]

🗿

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[outer ermine]

oh ye those

[dry kindle]

WHEL

[daring dove]

[outer ermine]

gib me crowns ill be cheap and only m6 rossi

[honest hill]

I'm going to M12 Zhuang

You'll watch me on strim

[dry kindle]

💀

[honest hill]

He'll be happy for me

[ocean turret]

Help

[wild rose]

#help

[edgy elk]

nono we must theorycraft the optimal routing to clear this puzzle as fast as possible
timers ready.

[wild rose]

True

[rich linden]

Chach how long till updoot

[honest hill]

We should theorycraft how to play the game

[rich linden]

Haha yes tc of all things, but they do have specifically mentioned tc of characters and stuff

Atleast one time that happened to me

[main nova]

press A to attak

press B to Battak

[sterile moat]

Please bless me, need to lose to tangtang

[wild rose]

.maint

[crystal coral]

Server Maintenance Completion

Maintenance Time:

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Please note that this timestamp will automatically adjust to your timezone!

[rich linden]

Noo its on peak time

Im not gonna be able to play on day 1 despairge

[honest hill]

@outer ermine me too pls bless me w tt and lifeng

[main nova]

here ember

[sterile moat]

I dont have a single copy of ember yet lol

[outer ermine]

🛐 hope u lose

to tt

[sterile moat]

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-10576833416044093400

sad you didnt experience ember's greatness

[sterile moat]

Dont think i am missing out

[main nova]

its about time

[outer ermine]

ur getting ember 🤝

[inland quarry]

How much sp is a fully built ake ult?

[wild rose]

80

[inland quarry]

Hmm

I don't think ake beats arc for ult start then

Arc ult's infliction is worth 100 sp

[sturdy hill]

hope u get 3

[glass wind]

Anyone got details for the new Armor sets?

[honest hill]

only xiranflow set

[bronze plume]

(theyll want what it does)

[honest hill]

fine

@glass wind

[glass wind]

Wulfgard buff

[honest hill]

it's tailor made for zhuang

[edgy elk]

i think u meant ardelia

[honest hill]

we'll see what koko cooks up

[glass wind]

Wulfgard

[lyric latch]

Wulf using Will Int set 💀
Arde dps stonks 📈

[peak root]

i have been sent here, can someone try and hit this rotation? i cannot hit it and ive been trying for a bit ive been testing in ruanyi

[leaden mantle]

:/

Totally not me

[fresh trench]

Its bad for ardelia she cant get more than 1 consume every 17(15 if p5) so she can get only 2 stack with 8 seconds interval however if she double consume where she do dolly rush again on nearby enemy with corrosion so for bosses this is worse for horde clear i think its a bit better

[honest hill]

what about if u do 3/4 corro w gilberta then consume w arde

[fresh trench]

Funny cause

I dont have gil

This curses of not having fun without gil bruh

[sturdy hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086673530314832/1471761631607259186/gilberta.gif

[fresh trench]

Still have hope for qingbo set tho

[honest hill]

that's cope af

[honest hill]

Hi Stellion

[sturdy hill]

hi

[honest hill]

are u ready to pull tomorrow

[sturdy hill]

yes

[honest hill]

or today whenever that is

Good

[lyric latch]

Qingbo Set is the thing I want to know the most when the maintenance starts

TT upscale?!

[bronze plume]

the update is out today for me

as it is the 17th

[wild rose]

Maybe you could try pinging Clown for this

[peak root]

@forest lily

[forest lily]

I could try in a bit

[peak root]

Fuck yeah

It deals like no damage and arclight a kit is essential to the build cuz of trekker

[fresh trench]

this entire id of mine is building from the base of coping cause i got p4 ardelia so anything is possible atp for me

[bronze plume]

do the 120

dew it

[smoky quarry]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HCd8vgaa0AIWorD.mp4

Perlica and Gilberta share some vibes a bit

Like how avywenna shares fluorite's

[normal tangle]

i don’t see avy and fluorite at all

gilb perl maybe 10%

[soft tendon]

its just bc theyre cheeky

slash flirty/teasing

[echo cove]

oh, so that's why i haven't seen shuo all day

ppl chased him out

[drifting quest]

what

[echo cove]

oh

i was backreading what happened earlier

[echo cove]

thought u no longer wanted to talk here 💀

mb then if i misread it

[drifting quest]

i mean i dont as much anymore

ive given up trying

[chilly bolt]

[drifting quest]

not like ive left the server or anything but i certainly wont be putting in the effort to answer questions if i have to go out of my way for it

all the stuff id otherwise post like datamines or tc ill be posting in other servers

etc

[echo cove]

i see...

[drifting quest]

stopped working on the replacement for iana doc so someone else will have to do that

[bronze plume]

what server do you mainly do yo tc stuff in?

[drifting quest]

other than subservers including the one you're in there's like guoba maygi's and prydwen that i talk in from time to time

[bronze plume]

what ones the most active for ef stuff

[echo cove]

it's definately mostly the invite only

so like

[drifting quest]

maygi's

[chilly bolt]

If maygi is "active" then i dont want to imagine how the others are

[echo cove]

POG

[drifting quest]

public servers are pretty miserable

blame the community I guess

somehow the worst gacha community I've had the displeasure of interacting with

[bronze plume]

i will find these invite only ones

even tho i dont tc at all

[chilly bolt]

Or well maybe bc it's the end of patch so it's not as active

[bronze plume]

arknights is known for that side of the community tbf

[drifting quest]

original arknights ive had nothing bad to say about at all

one of the better ones

[bronze plume]

thats

surprising

[dry kindle]

ako is

yeah

🗿

[bronze plume]

maybe its because theres hoyo shit added in here

[echo cove]

i thought i was the only one thinking that when i first joined ngl

[chilly bolt]

Endfield isn't ak man

[drifting quest]

hoyo communities have been on average better than endfield has been

[echo cove]

having been here since release, i can feel just how stupid sum ppl can be

[drifting quest]

wouldnt say they're good but I'd take them over this

[bronze plume]

been bout some for me

[echo cove]

the only place i've had like 0 issues with is #aic-factory rn

they're chill as hell

[chilly bolt]

Aic chat here is like riic chat in ako, super chill and cozy

[normal tangle]

am i gonna see tc doomposting every couple hours until fangyi arrives or something

[bronze plume]

yes

[echo cove]

at least from the channel i've been talkin in

[drifting quest]

coincidence

better discussion

banger limbus intervallo

[echo cove]

i mean, AIC ppl r theorycrafting even rn

abt those new stuff

[bronze plume]

ong

i did 130 pulls so far

and got

a dupe 000

and faust ego

🔥

rossi banner took the luck

[echo cove]

rip luck

[bronze plume]

hopefuly its back for fangyi

[dry kindle]

ok but limbus gameplay

[bronze plume]

ive decided to just try get everyone

unless i really really dislike them

minus ember plz stay out ember

[normal tangle]

how do yall have the time for multiple gachas

[normal tangle]

do you play other games or just gachas

[drifting quest]

by not taking it too seriously and not grinding

[echo cove]

dailies don't take that long

[drifting quest]

if i miss a day of dailies oh well

[bronze plume]

no i have no life

[echo cove]

not like am playing many games tho

[drifting quest]

2 of the 3 I play have automated dailies anyway

[bronze plume]

i play like

[drifting quest]

i can set an ak auto going on my phone while i do endfield dailies

[bronze plume]

a lot of games

[dry kindle]

speaking of i need to go do rossi sq and shit

[bronze plume]

tldr i had cancer lost a leg now im just

chilling

[drifting quest]

why is it always legs

[normal tangle]

[bronze plume]

i wanted to keep my arms to play video games

[drifting quest]

part of my health issues is one of my legs too

[normal tangle]

have you tried looking for it? where’d you lose it?

[bronze plume]

if im not playing games im either making food, rehab or doing something for my SO

[drifting quest]

I keep getting DVTs in one of my legs the second I stop taking meds

[tawny lagoon]

Have like 8k arsenals and need 2 multis on weapon banner to guarantee chilvaric, worth it or no?

I won't pull on weapon banner until 1.3

[dry kindle]

Just buy it if you really care

[tawny lagoon]

That's where you guys come into play
You know more about use cases for Chiv Virtue

[dry kindle]

[normal tangle]

just xaihi and gilb

[chilly bolt]

[bronze plume]

not worth it to use pulls to get a weapon that can be on the rotation

[bronze plume]

life is like roblox

[fierce nest]

is there a calc on how many pulls for 15840 arsenal tickets

[swift onyx]

Like 230~ if we go by worst case scenario

Hard to say

[peak void]

23

[fierce nest]

damn im nowhere near enough pulls for zfy sig then

[chilly bolt]

Worst case is 2 6* in 120 pulls

So around 4k arsenal

Plus some from 5* and 4*

6-8k i guess

[swift onyx]

Yes i know
I did the math, not 100% correct but very close
8560 if we say 2 6*, and a 5* in every 10 pulls

-400 if we take the 2 5* away cuz of the 6*

Per 120

[chilly bolt]

True then, 240 pulls or less

[smoky quarry]

Do you think devs are gonna lock in, like, ever?

Feels like going downhill from day one

[swift onyx]

Doompost goes to reddit bestie

[chilly bolt]

Honestly i liked the aic update, fangyi however is a mid character at best

[swift onyx]

Hella anticipated tho

[smoky quarry]

I like how you can dismiss concerns nowadays by calling em doomposts. Coping always helped, yeah

[chilly bolt]

I mean she's over hyped

[smoky quarry]

"You see, everyone wants that mommy-type character with the hint of romance bait"

[swift onyx]

I mean
Is it really worth your tine to type complaints in a place noone will truly care for them and wont make a change at all

Maybe rhey'll lock in
Maybe not, who knows

[smoky quarry]

Free time is worth nothing, I can be doing anything and it won't be a waste

I wanted to say it, I said it

[swift onyx]

If they threw in the peak that they do in og to here, itd be great

[smoky quarry]

tcing is a waste of time since anything works, yaknow

[swift onyx]

Thats how it goes when they introduce chars like that
Shit like miyabi andthat pink girl from wuwa fall into there as well

[drifting quest]

i like endfield

thanks for coming to my ted talk

[swift onyx]

I like endfield too

[tight haven]

my personal take is that my frustrations with endfield still remain solveable because they all relate to a lack of content

so i dont care much so far. i 100% support people who quit the game though

[chilly bolt]

I typed shit and realised it's not worth so i deleted them

[thick terrace]

Anyone have the excel file for gearing?

[drifting quest]

truly

simply care less

[tight haven]

i think numbers going down is good feedback because christ almighty the game does not feel very good in a lot of ways

[drifting quest]

liberating experience

[tight haven]

pinned is still fine

i would expect a lot of it to change tomorrow

[thick terrace]

Right

[drifting quest]

its not exhaustive and has a few errors for now

probably decently outdated as soon as tomorrow

[tight haven]

yeah its not up to date w current theory

and iana has soft-quit endfield i think

[drifting quest]

yeah they said they were thinking about it before

[swift onyx]

I mean, all we really need is some weekly/biweekly gamemode to farms oros with
Lack of content hits every facha like endfield cuz
Release event->either have full available on launch=> people speed run day1
Or keep it time locked like we have

[drifting quest]

and have been mia for a week or two now

either on an extended hiatus or done with it

good for them

[tight haven]

yep

[chilly bolt]

Tfw everything you have been caring about become less important and you start appreciating small things in life

[dawn shard]

i would complain about exploration but at the same time, every competitor is also speedrunning butchering exploration lately so endfield doesnt feel that far behind

[drifting quest]

ive had free time again for the first time in a while

pleasant experience

[tight haven]

i am inclined to disagree because endfield to me is such a pretty game that i do sometimes log in just to admire how well-crafted some areas are

[dawn shard]

join the zipline cultists, where the joy in the game is getting ontop of yet another hill out of bounds

[drifting quest]

started catching back up on my reading list

[tight haven]

i spent a couple hours just messing around in qingbo, especially during the questline that has you traveling to the top of the map

the exploration rewards and world puzzle design is poor though

i like that the reward for me is the beauty of the world itself but i know most people dont particularly care for it (which is fine)

[swift onyx]

Why poor
U have currently close to 50 pulls in chests alone

[thick terrace]

The only reason I play Endfield is because it is called Arknights

[dawn shard]

i spend probably more time with the ruan yi airlines glitch than doing the main quest

[thick terrace]

The factory is not a satisfactory experience

[tight haven]

the pulls dont really matter for a lot of people and i dont blame them

[drifting quest]

i need them

[swift onyx]

What
Wym they dont matter

[drifting quest]

a 4th hard guarantee would not be fun

[tight haven]

i think "chests and shiny floating shit" as puzzle design principles just are not good for this game format

[swift onyx]

U explore to get rewards

[dawn shard]

personally id say its the highlight and one of the main reasons to play the game, although they could improve it

[swift onyx]

But thats not puzzles
Thats the rewards for puzzles

..kinda

[tight haven]

i agree when people say that they wish that most of the exploration was tied to stuff like unlocking hidden quests

[thick terrace]

They need to improve it

[tight haven]

and upping quest rewards specifically

i dont find chest-chasing to be satisfying at all myself

i think it takes away from the game when im not scanning the horizon but looking for chests

[drifting quest]

i just enjoy it all

im simple like that

[tight haven]

yeah i know a lot of folks like it too

[thick terrace]

500 radar to look for chest and glowing balls

[tight haven]

its abrasive design for me when i want to take in a new area

[drifting quest]

if it werent fun i wouldnt do it

[dawn shard]

i mean they are. they announced a factory event with new recipes for example, which fixes one of the biggest flaws endfield has imo. the fact that you can setup your full factory very easily and then dont touch it at all for the entire rest of the version

[echo cove]

Game is supposed to be fun, not a chore

[echo cove]

Idk what u r implying here, but if it is that uwant ppl to have to redo factory every few days, i am very against it

[thick terrace]

I mean the factory in its current stage kinda in a limbo

A factory supposed to run seamlessly
But you won't touch the factory again until the next patch after you done setting it up

[echo cove]

Cos noone want to have to deal with factory 24/7

If i want to, i'd work in a factory irl

[thick terrace]

Because it supposed to run seamlessly

[dawn shard]

not every few days, but at least a reason to touch it every now and then. its a factory game, but the factory itself has zero relevance in the endgame. having an event occasionally (or a more permanent mode that changes like umbral monument for combat) would go a long way

[echo cove]

I'll answer each sentence

1. There is, at peak efficiency, u either make gear parts or battery in wuling rn. (U can make half of both tho if u don't run it at peak efficiency)
2. Factory having 0 relevance in endgame? It's literally the biggest source of bills. U get engraving permit & artificing catalyst alongside other stuff there.
3. I agree w it needing more events

U need to remember that endfield isn't only a factory game

[echo cove]

Ur point being?

If u rly want to have to touch factory daily, what i can think of to make that possible is to create a factory minigame that becomes part of ur daily/weekly that rotates daily.

But then again, it sounds like a chore so i personally don't want it.

[tight haven]

i get it

i would like a game mode that incorporates factory gameplay absent the open world

like a protocol space with a simulated aic that you build up

kind of like reclamation algorithm in og ak

[drifting quest]

all they have to do is like

[tight haven]

expanding a resource supply chain and shit

[drifting quest]

make the tutorials into an event minus the advice

[tight haven]

or that too

factory puzzle events lol

[drifting quest]

limited amount of buildings preset
goal is to reach X production of Y resource(s)

[echo cove]

Yeah

[tight haven]

honest to god i would like to just make my own aic plans but i cannot do it without kneecapping my current production so why would i ever bother

[echo cove]

I wonder how fun it is if made into a daily tho

But at least it's new content

[dense plank]

To be fair we kinda already have that in the optional goals of the tutorials. They just need to make a full fledged event out of it

[echo cove]

I feel like what the complain should be is moreso how rigid the factory builds are

U can't rly explore n stuff cos once stuff works, there's no reason to change it

[tight haven]

exactly

its so boring

[echo cove]

And peak efficiency is established

Which gets boring

[tight haven]

what incentive is there for me to experiment

[echo cove]

If this was the complaint, then i wholly agree

[tight haven]

i am punished for experimenting lol

[echo cove]

Yep

[tight haven]

i dont like that i have to use an external website to plan out any aic optimisations

why should i have to do that

[echo cove]

But if the complain is, "we have no reason to touch factory everyday. I want to be enforced to touch factory everyday."

Then it's a hell no for me

[tight haven]

they could easily implement a factory plan visualiser in-game to make blueprints but they just do not

[echo cove]

Tbf we know they have alot of things they can implement

[tight haven]

maybe not EASILY but you would expect to have that if they also want you to be super efficient

[echo cove]

The question is time

When r they doing it

[tight haven]

anyways i am very excited for 1.2

not so excited because we have to wait 2 weeks for the other map but eh

[echo cove]

I'm not quite sure how excited i am now at 1.2 ngl

The event timeline looks dreadful after the update

[drifting quest]

im looking forward to it

looks like a fun patch

[dawn shard]

efficiency sadly doesnt bring you very far in endfield cos of external caps (ressource input and stockbill output) ye theres some juggling you can do with gear parts, but its generally not really needed, you could also just run both (gearparts at a reduced ration) until you hit depo limit on parts, and then youll need forever to have a useage for gear parts

by relevance i mean how much it impacts my playtime. having stockbills is important, but the way i get stockbills isnt touching my factory, its moving sliders in a sell menu.

and yes, its not only a factory game, but for me factory is endfields main draw. if i want exploration, id play genshin, if i want combat id play wuwa. i play endfield cos factory fun and unique for a gacha game

[echo cove]

I mean the 1.2 drop is nice

But then 1 months of barely any event

[honest hill]

play other games

[dawn shard]

the stuff they did show looks fun so im hoping itll keep me going for a while

[echo cove]

Ofc that's an option. But like generally speaking, how many players are they going to lose if they keep being dreadful w events

[honest hill]

they have already lost so many

[echo cove]

Fair point

[echo cove]

Yeah, and how many more are they planning to lose before they get their hand forced into pushing up events earlier?

That's just my current sentiment anw

[honest hill]

idk but they should've done more if they wanted to keep or make players return

[echo cove]

Great optimization alone won't help this game survive if they have 0 replayability

[honest hill]

instead of pushing up events earlier they should add more to fill the gaps

[echo cove]

I winder how many players left they have atm

[drifting quest]

more than enough

[echo cove]

Do we know what their revenue last month looks like?

[drifting quest]

sensortower numbers were like

[echo cove]

Hope so

[drifting quest]

top 5

[echo cove]

Oh

[drifting berry]

https://revenue.ennead.cc/games/arknights-endfield

seems good enough

[honest hill]

sensor tower...

[echo cove]

Ok this game will still live for another 6 months at least

Lol

[drifting berry]

idk if acurate

[cinder oxide]

Yo yall know anyone from Korea rn

[echo cove]

This would be great

[drifting berry]

yeah it says sensortower at the bottom

[normal tangle]

bonus points if limited area given

would be really fun

[drifting quest]

January 7th place $28mil
Feb 7th place $25mil
March 6th place $22mil

so more than enough

[honest hill]

it's prob not

[normal tangle]

instead we get more clicking simulators like the cooking garbage

[echo cove]

Great

[drifting quest]

routinely beating out 'bigger' gacha like wuwa, zzz, hsr, etc.

depending on the month

[echo cove]

For now

[drifting quest]

naturally

[echo cove]

The hype still isn't dead yet i take it

Welp, good for them

[drifting quest]

doomposters would have you believe it died in 1.0

[echo cove]

Am just kinda hoping cc came out earlier ngl

[drifting quest]

believe what you want

[normal tangle]

honestly i don’t think this is a good thing

[echo cove]

Cc dropping w the joint banner would've been great

[normal tangle]

it just shows their greedy pull economy is working

[echo cove]

Meh 1.0 wasn't bad

[normal tangle]

even the paid pulls are stingy af

[echo cove]

I mean, them makin that much in this economy? Come on

[normal tangle]

way less pulls in monthly pass than everyone else

[honest hill]

yeah lol

[echo cove]

[honest hill]

let us convert oroberyl to wep pulls

1:1

[echo cove]

Arsenal is more exp than oro tho

It's 2:1 if u convert, if they let u that is

At least

[normal tangle]

you can, it’s called pulling on the banner

[echo cove]

I forgot how much more expensive it is exactly

[drifting berry]

I mean, despite the 10-pull on arsenal being more expensive guarantee is at 80 pulls instead of 120

Also weapon banner is 1% vs 0.4% on rate up operator

[honest hill]

I know but that's meh, I don't really like the arsenal ticket system

[drifting berry]

I also didn't like arsenal conversion but it's actually okay

I think

[normal tangle]

i only pulled on arsenal banner once and got it early so i haven’t experienced how bad it is yet

can’t give input on that rlly

[echo cove]

Arsenal is annoying

Just that rly

[honest hill]

what will u do if u get early char but not enough arsenal tickets will u keep pulling till u get the weapon?

see it's mid af

[drifting berry]

For me I went 2 times till max pity, and one I got it at 60 pulls.

[normal tangle]

you have 2 more banners to get wep

[echo cove]

This is why i drop 60 pulls on random banners (absolutely not recommended)

[drifting berry]

Not the worst, considering it didn't hurt my character pulls

[normal tangle]

just pull some support and use the tickets on that

[echo cove]

Stockin up on those arsenals

[warped idol]

it feels bad but mathematically it means your premium currencies is worth way more than in other games

[normal tangle]

ehh

[honest hill]

but u may not want the next 2 characters so I just wish u could directly convert oro to arsenal tickets

[drifting berry]

Mathematically this game is still probably the best out there. In average you get the rate up like 10-15 earlier compared to any hoyoverse games, also wepon banner has a different currency that doesn't hurt you regular character pulls

[warped idol]

you need like 52 pulls to get 1 ten roll in arsenal banner assuming you only get 1 5 star every 10

[honest hill]

would be nice if u could single pull on wep banners

[normal tangle]

i’m sure they did whatever math to say it’s “better income compared to the competition” but it just doesn’t feel that good at all

[warped idol]

but you have to consider 6 star weapon is 4% and the soft pity starts way ealier

[smoky quarry]

The actual average is 20 pulls or so

[honest hill]

yeah it doesn't feel that good

[normal tangle]

why would you only get 1 5 star in 52 pulls

[smoky quarry]

Cause you don't count only guarantees

[warped idol]

im assuming the absolute worst

[smoky quarry]

The average of average is around 100 tokens per pull

[warped idol]

sorry I meant 1 5 star every 10 pulls

for 52 pulls

you get 380 every 10 pulls in the absolute worst case

[honest hill]

take ur meds grandpa

[normal tangle]

sorry i just don’t think assuming the absolute worst of the worst is a real metric at all

[warped idol]

it does give us a baseline to work off

[drifting quest]

my rossi pulls were

the worst of the worst

[warped idol]

so people dont bitch about luck or whatever

[normal tangle]

tuff

[smoky quarry]

that's not how average works

[drifting quest]

i got 1 extra 5* than the worst rng going

[echo cove]

Not assuming the worst makes the calc kinda weird too tho w how our pity works

[smoky quarry]

my lavatein pulls were absolutely homeless

[warped idol]

most gacha maths should assume the worst because there's always that one guy who hits hard pity every time

[smoky quarry]

only guarantees

[normal tangle]

it’s ok i won 50/50 laeva at 112 while at only 30 pity

[drifting berry]

Isn't it like 240 pulls on rate up banner in order to get enough for 80 on arsenal?

Also I guess 10$ BP helps on that

[neat snow]

Is the new operator tonight or tomorrow

[warped idol]

and average doesnt meean anything on an individual level

[normal tangle]

11h

[drifting berry]

depends on were you live

[smoky quarry]

1 arsenal issue in a patch helps a lot /sarcasm

[drifting quest]

maint scheduled to end in 11h

[normal tangle]

so you calculate a range

[drifting quest]

so more realistically ends in like 9

[neat snow]

[normal tangle]

and probabilities

[normal tangle]

it lasted the full maint period for 1.1 no?

[warped idol]

too complicatedfor my gacha player cant read brain
I prefer the worst to set minimum expectation

[drifting quest]

no

it ended early for 1.1 too

[normal tangle]

oh maybe i misremembered

i remember it being like a few min early at most

[smoky quarry]

i am not downloading new update with these speeds

[neat snow]

That's midnight my time zzz

[echo cove]

It ended abt 30 min early for 1.1

[drifting berry]

I mean, worst case scenario in this game is still okay, 120 is the maximum you will go

[normal tangle]

midnight on a friday morning is rough yeah

well, “morning”

[echo cove]

How long did it take u last time?

[smoky quarry]

I'd rather have guarantree carryover than less pulls for legendary akktually

[smoky quarry]

I coudn't downloaded it till the maintenance ended, cause I was getting booted from servers non-stop

And the update was 35 gigabytes, took me an hour after I could actually start downloading it

[neat snow]

I am prepared to pull

[normal tangle]

alright bro

[smoky quarry]

bro donated my whole salary 😭

[normal tangle]

how much even is that

[warped idol]

anyway you get like this much arsenal tickets per 80 pulls (worst case) whch is barely only 2 issues

[honest hill]

fr?

[echo cove]

Meanwhile me: finished downloading 4 hr later

[drifting berry]

Carry over is the only thing this game is missing.

in my case I don't really care because the only difference is that I cannot build pity but yeah.

[echo cove]

2 pulls

[warped idol]

technically 20

[honest hill]

technically u do build pity w expiring pulls

[normal tangle]

i don’t mind lack of carryover if we got more than like 70 pulls a patch

[drifting quest]

We do get more than 60 a patch

[echo cove]

Yeah

[normal tangle]

70 sorry

typo

[echo cove]

It only cooks u if u go to 120

[warped idol]

6 star weapon is 4% so if we do a bit of ""vibemath"" it's a 80% chance of getting 6 star or 20% chance of getting sig per (worst case) 80 characater pulls

[drifting quest]

End of patch calcs are at like

[echo cove]

Tbh this game, if u don't rly care to go to 120, is p nice

[drifting quest]

100 or 120 or something

[tight haven]

you can expect a copy of a sig every ~81 pulls iirc

[echo cove]

Like doing 60 per banner is kinda a fun strat if u don't care which 6* u get

[honest hill]

is it too much to ask if the expiring pulls we get from login and aic exchange replaced by limited pulls that don't expire

[normal tangle]

whuh

ones i’ve seen hover at 71-75

[tight haven]

those are worst-case estimates

the ~75 pull estimates i mean

[normal tangle]

what do they ignore?

[warped idol]

I saw with paid bp and monthly it's 90~ for 1.1

[tight haven]

events and exploration mainly

i dont remember the exact assumptions for the 75-pull estimate

[normal tangle]

they for sure don’t ignore those

[tight haven]

they lowball them

[normal tangle]

maybe the random boxes and credit shop

[warped idol]

at least we're building pity

[tight haven]

the event pulls in 1.1 were a small amount more than anyone predicted

[normal tangle]

can you share the ones you’re referencing

[honest hill]

I'd rather save those pulls for a banner I would love to pull on

[warped idol]

we'll need to wait until an actual rerun happens to see if guarantee carry over on the same banner tho

[tight haven]

it was a reddit post that i saw and i dont care enough to find it

they were frank in their assumptions though

[drifting quest]

Pull calcs are skewed to whatever agenda you want to push

Act shocked

[tight haven]

people just ran with the "we are getting 70 pulls over 50 days its so over"

when the poster stated that those were worst-case numbers

[normal tangle]

oh i’m talking about 1.1 and 1.2

i don’t follow that assumption shit lol

[tight haven]

i am only talking abt 1.2

[warped idol]

I mean we can probably say that 1.2 will give more than 1.1 and there we go, a baseline

[honest hill]

just imagine we could save those pulls, we've had 5 banners so far i skipped Yvonne and rossi that would've been 10 extra pulls right there going towards the 120 guarantee

instead of building pity

what's the point of building pity if the 120 will reset

[tight haven]

i dont much care for exact pull counts i just think the weapon gacha feels awful still

[honest hill]

[tight haven]

i am single-issue when it comes to the gacha

[honest hill]

yeah weapon gacha is just awful

[tight haven]

and it's the arsenal issue baby

[echo cove]

I should start my 60 pull every banner propaganda to fight against arsenal pull drought

Kiddin

[warped idol]

weapon gacha only allowing 10 pulls kinda makes it bad

you're wasting your tickets no matter what with this system

[honest hill]

let us convert oro to arsenal tickets, let us do single pulls, more sources for arsenal tickets

[honest hill]

yeah it's cooked

[warped idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281978603403481122/1493625899613028402/aas.gif

[honest hill]

lemme borrows urs

to be safe

imma use ur paypal

[warped idol]

[honest hill]

[echo cove]

I should hoard more arsenal tickets from now on

Kinda realized i fucked up from my tt pulls

[warped idol]

hoarding doesnt exist when you have a character you want sigs for

[echo cove]

Except when u pull 60 every banner, u don't care who's in the banner most of the time

[warped idol]

hoarding just means "don't pull on standard weapon banners and banners you dont need the sig of"

[echo cove]

I mean if u r chasing specific character, what am doin is a shit strategy

And i will not recommend this either

[warped idol]

but you're maximizing 6 stars

[echo cove]

I just like doin it myself cos fk the meta anw

[warped idol]

ticketsmaxxing as a consequence

[echo cove]

Yeah except i went 10 on khrav and tt so now i'm still broke after doin that

I shouldn't have done 10 on any of em for that chest

I wasn't smart

[warped idol]

me too

I did an extra 3 on Rossi's because I thought the chest would give another copy of lupine

turns out it's just for the other irrevelant weapons

[echo cove]

Oh, i just did the chest cos i was interested in getting my first p5 6* weapon as f2p

Looking back... I shouldn't have

I got p3 clanibal at least

[tight haven]

i sunk like 30 pulls into lifengs weap i feel you

[echo cove]

And a chest to p4 whenever i want

[bronze plume]

i sunk 120 getting a 2nd pot for laevatains weapon

for 0 reason

:)

well

80 whatever

[honest hill]

was it worth

[bronze plume]

hell no

[tight haven]

im likely getting his weap p5 this patch unless i pop the fuck off and win 6 50/50s in a row again

[echo cove]

[echo cove]

Weap is 2575 tho

[outer ermine]

[tight haven]

no

endpoint quotas

[warped idol]

I got LR and laeva sig and now I dont even use them

[echo cove]

Oh

[honest hill]

whel

[echo cove]

[warped idol]

whale

[echo cove]

Anw, don't mind my bad pulling strat

I just like malding

Was half praying for lr copy as well

[tight haven]

💔

i do hope fangyi's pots aren't good though

[outer ermine]

arent u p5ing eitherway or

[honest hill]

just don't get em

[tight haven]

i am

it would suck if they are good

[honest hill]

then hope they're good

what

[warped idol]

ive made peace with the fact that I will never get a single point of endpoint quota 🕊️

[tight haven]

because it would be a valid complaint

[echo cove]

I hope it's balanced

[outer ermine]

[echo cove]

No need to be bad nor good

[tight haven]

i like the current balance of p5 ops being like

[honest hill]

if they're good u would happy w ur p5 if they're shit then u won't be happy w ur p5

[echo cove]

Give whale incentive to pull, but not too much that u left f2p in the dust

[tight haven]

at best ~50% better than their p0 counterparts

[sterile moat]

You will eventually get them by year 2 or 3 anyway

[tight haven]

i want her p5 either way so it aint a thing to me

[warped idol]

[honest hill]

if the game survives that long

[sterile moat]

3 to 4 years is standard anyway

[normal tangle]

i can’t wait for my entire friends list to go from laeva/rossi pfp to all fangyi

sheep

[echo cove]

Depends

[warped idol]

ngl all of Rossi's pots sucks except pot1 and 5

[echo cove]

I think standard is more like 2-3 yr

[normal tangle]

what’s p1

[normal tangle]

eh

[warped idol]

this is marginally better than pot2-4

pot2-4 is useless except for the one that gives 7% crit

[sterile moat]

Casually ignoring crit rate in pot 2

[warped idol]

most significant pot on a character gotta be Avywenna tho

[tight haven]

i still cannot

believe

[outer ermine]

dont ignore my beloved p4 for speedkills

[warped idol]

literally changes how she plays

[outer ermine]

[tight haven]

that yvonne doesnt have an ult gen pot

that is just so fucking funny bro

[sterile moat]

Its technically her p1

[tight haven]

in its place she has this dog ass shit ass sp return pot

[warped idol]

technically

[tight haven]

its fiiiiiiiiine yeah

[warped idol]

how much is her ult again?

200?

[tight haven]

her p4 would be so much better if it was just -15% ult energy

[tight haven]

220

[sterile moat]

Not really

Her rotation wouldnt change much

[tight haven]

yes really

the sp return is awful as a pot

[warped idol]

wait is this 15ug a one time thing or it's 15 per pulse?

[tight haven]

once per cskill

it adds onto the cskill's existing uge

[warped idol]

that sucks even more

[tight haven]

which is also once per cskill

[sterile moat]

Even with -15% your rota is still xaihi bs > fs x2 > tt and all the combo skills on x2 repeat

[tight haven]

right but thats assuming perfect timelines no

-ult is so goddamn good because it doesnt care abt your timelines, its a flat uge additive

you can mess up and it can help you

[warped idol]

wait does this mean you can mess up tight ult gain timing rotations if you spend returned sp?

[sterile moat]

The thing with the game is that you are trying to sync ults

[tight haven]

this is why you cant run 1 slab on p4 laev yes

[sterile moat]

So -15% is pointless unless you can sync your whole comp anyway

[tight haven]

due to her p1's sp return you will be very slightly off

[warped idol]

wow that's suck

[tight haven]

by like 7 points i think

it feels absolutely terrible

sp return as a mechanic is very frustrating to play around especially since it does not have a visual indicator

[warped idol]

does sp return start to get kicked out at 300sp?

[tight haven]

it cannot overcap sp

[warped idol]

or will it be use X normal SP + returned SP

[drifting quest]

Returned sp is overwritten if there is excess

[normal tangle]

it gets overwritten when you overcap yes

[warped idol]

no no im asking if at 300sp, will it be all normal sp or will it be normal + returned

[tight haven]

yep

[warped idol]

[tight haven]

oh yeah the returned sp will be overwritten

[honest hill]

if they removed the "Spending SP also does not give ultimate energy" it'll be a bit better

[drifting quest]

It actually gets used in a rot

[normal tangle]

but there’s no point in doing that lmao

[normal tangle]

what evil rot does this

[tight haven]

yeah it's just frustrating

[honest hill]

fake SP

[drifting quest]

Phase change banking sp on any team

But physical esp

[normal tangle]

oh you meant for triangle

[tight haven]

i dont mind playing around it but every time i have to the lack of a visual indicator sucks

[tight haven]

not specifically that

[warped idol]

does this mean lr's bs just sucks for cryo apply?

[normal tangle]

what other boss has you bank sp while you wait for phase change

marble air attack ig?

[warped idol]

oh wait she doesnt get ult on sp anyway

[drifting quest]

Marble triagg ruanyi

[tight haven]

any circumstance where you have a sufficiently long period in the fight where skills will not be used will make use of it

[drifting quest]

All 3

[tight haven]

yeah

[normal tangle]

i lowk forgot ruanyi existed ur true

[tight haven]

yep

returned sp should have a visual indicator

[warped idol]

I think 1.2 will get a visual update let's hope there's an indicator for returned sp there

[tight haven]

maybe they sneak it in yeah

[warped idol]

[tight haven]

anyway 4 hours to maint

its nice that they synced servers this time

[normal tangle]

ah fuck i missed today’s dailies

damn

[tight haven]

well

you can log in after maint

[normal tangle]

i’m at work

[warped idol]

wont NA have to wait another 12 hours for zfy banner tho?

[tight haven]

the dailies dont reset after maint

[warped idol]

or 6 hours

[normal tangle]

i usually do that in the morning

[tight haven]

they reset at the usual time

[tight haven]

wait do we

[normal tangle]

oh

[tight haven]

theres no way it works like that right

[warped idol]

I dont remember how it was in 1.1

[normal tangle]

staying up until 1am for 200 oroberyl

we winning

[tight haven]

no its different from 1.1

in 1.1 we had desynced maints

[normal tangle]

doesn’t seem like it

[warped idol]

[tight haven]

asia already had tangtang at this time

now we're synced with asia

for banner release

[drifting quest]

Maint is always same time

[tight haven]

is it?

[drifting quest]

2nd banner is off

[tight haven]

oh youre right

yeahhhh i remember now

[warped idol]

na getting slapped as always