theorycrafting

[gritty olive]

ccbeta was fun to watch because the elites youre already stomping are garbage

but now they can one shot YOU

theres more "danger" associated with ccbeta back then i think

[bronze plume]

one things for certain

anything is better then this survivial training event

[drifting berry]

Now we only need integrated strategies

2.0 trust

[gritty olive]

https://youtu.be/BR7aRgQBJ9E

[gritty olive]

legit it would be straight up garbage

i played zzz for 1.0 and first week 1.1 and dropped it
i played its roguelite. and i would believe its like that

a weekly commitment especially on a 3d based gacha game wouldnt have a great implementation

[primal silo]

if all come to worst, i can just wait for kyostinv to somehow beat everthing with 4 star

[bronze plume]

i actually wonder if you will be able to do ef cc with 4 star only

[gritty olive]

legit if IS doesnt have any pulls people will complain because of storage issues

[tight haven]

i dont care what it is i just want something repeatable to do with some fun variance to it

[drifting berry]

Tho it depends on how cc is going to be, if we have daily stages then you will have to commit some time every day.

[thick terrace]

Arknights: Rhodes Island have more mechanics that work with Contingency Contract compared to Arknights: Endfield

Like Endfield only get a squad of 4

[drifting berry]

But yeah roguelite is kinda

[bronze plume]

why is bro calling it Arknights: Rhodes Island

[drifting berry]

Fun for 1 week

[gritty olive]

i would like if its a 3 stage combat

[gritty olive]

probably using ai translate since they arent english speaking

hey as long as it gets the point across

[tight haven]

i would like to see what hg does with a roguelike for this genre of game

[thick terrace]

I am not calling it Arknights and Arknights

Arknights vs Arknights

[tight haven]

i feel like it would take a lot of iterating upon to make it work

[bronze plume]

its literally just arknights and endfield

[tight haven]

we're probably gonna have a ton of is1 and is2 before we get our is3

[bronze plume]

wanna know what the final stage for survival training is

[gritty olive]

hey is2 was fun

[tight haven]

no it wasnt

[primal silo]

i just A9E and A9 for simplyfication

[gritty olive]

it was

[tight haven]

thats fine

[gritty olive]

we had insta e2s for class squads

the only problem was the bosses and theyre fine to deal with

[thick terrace]

If I only said "Arknights" would you ask "which one"

[gritty olive]

no

because if youre lazy youd refer to the other one as endfield

[bronze plume]

its ARKNIGHTS and ENDFIELD

[gritty olive]

for convenience

[drifting berry]

Arknights and endfield

[thick terrace]

Fair enough

Arknights will stay on the left side for reasons

[bronze plume]

the last stage of survival expert

is literally just the same as a different one

but you have the timer you can look at that has yo friends and randoms on it

[compact bridge]

You should call it Arknights: Dijiang

[bronze plume]

sadness

[chilly bolt]

wtf

why endfield mobile on emulator

[terse valley]

who can be put into the flex slot for zhuang perlica team

[chilly bolt]

who is the 3rd slot even

[terse valley]

uh maybe akekuri?

[chilly bolt]

dont tell me it's arclight

[bronze plume]

wait

for

the

character

to

be

out

ffs

[terse valley]

my guy chill

[chilly bolt]

i mean supposely it's fungi+perli+arc+flex

but arc bad

so idk

[ocean turret]

yes

[chilly bolt]

ake sure is good but honestly doesnt look much better than arc

[twilit quail]

there isnt anything to speculate about or do in this game

other than think about the new char

there just isnt anything else to do

[terse valley]

feelscrafting isnt allowed anymore?

[twilit quail]

tbh in current state of game thinking about gameplay at all is like

completely pointless

lol

[chilly bolt]

lowkey alesh is a good fit

[real mist]

yeah the anticipation of CC is real.

imagine if it was disappointing

[terse valley]

hm yes having fun is pointless

[twilit quail]

the label of cc in this agme

[bronze plume]

this really is just the help+ channel

[twilit quail]

is going to be completely performative

because it's fundamentally not the same game genre

and the system will be at best nominally similar

best to have 0 expectations

[bronze plume]

its just another thing they are doing to get the ak players hyped by calling it the same thing and in turn hype the non ak players

[twilit quail]

even in original AK the lows for CC are really fucking low

[real mist]

the thing is the expectation is already set by OG arknights players by them highly hyping it

[chilly bolt]

something like perlica 2nd slot and then pick 2 from antal ardelia alesh gil akekuri

[twilit quail]

yeah and it's not going to be anything like original ak

because it cant be

Im expecting it to be dogshit

[real mist]

people are gonna call the game p2w when it's too hard

[terse valley]

idk about ardelia, zhuang is already sp hungry no?

[gritty olive]

i feel it would be like genshins limited time event of legend of the vagabond

[terse valley]

oh boy i wonder where they got the inspiration from

[gritty olive]

but instead of outright nerfs this is just strict shilling

[gritty olive]

hoyo is king

this is way back december 2020

[bronze plume]

being king of the losers is still being a king

[chilly bolt]

did they mention any form of sp return ?

[bronze plume]

sp return 💀

[chilly bolt]

do we know her talents

[gritty olive]

Keep whining mister

[bronze plume]

im not wrong

[terse valley]

i doubt it

[gritty olive]

Prywd*n

[chilly bolt]

surely there is some sort of sp return here

[chilly bolt]

[wild rose]

This is factual tbf

[chilly bolt]

ye it's pr*dwen

[gritty olive]

Not in the slightest

[wild rose]

It was

[bronze plume]

it was factual before hyacine

[thick terrace]

I know you are joking but I still need to point out

[bronze plume]

gally and money are the reason they stopped making 4 stars in that shitbox

[terse valley]

i wonder where that came from

[gritty olive]

One of the worst base defenses, no proper indemand healing, effectively reactive healing

[wild rose]

He was the goat for quite a few patches

[terse valley]

the guy from maze runner?

[gritty olive]

Legit the only reason gallagher was so glazed is due to the influc of fire weak enemies and the relevance of acheron in which he wouldnt be even be “good” in acheron teams

[bronze plume]

clearly

[wild rose]

Not by today's standards ofc

[gritty olive]

People are getting good dps -> i dont need 5* sustains -> wow gallagher is sooooooooooo good

Like legit thats the reason why hes so glazed

[bronze plume]

he was glazed because they made all the endgame orientate to his kit for so long

[gritty olive]

No one is pulling for sustains

[bronze plume]

then new healer comes along

and they make it go around them

make enemies do more dmg and have more health you need the sustain that does more dmg and heals more health

welcome to a gacha game

[terse valley]

they're all dps

[gritty olive]

Gallager glazers when they need to skill

[bronze plume]

all sustains are dps now

[wild rose]

Were u even playing back then big guy

[gritty olive]

Who?

[wild rose]

You

[bronze plume]

if you cant do 400k dmg per skill or just make me invincible 24/7 you are a bad sustain

[gritty olive]

I joined hsr on may 2023

[wild rose]

I see

[gritty olive]

When PPE and argenti are always present there would be a severe misinterpratation of gallaghers strength

[gritty olive]

Im just interested on the next reconvener

[bronze plume]

the arknight pill

[gritty olive]

Still pissed no sa on 171

[bronze plume]

uhh

womp?

[gritty olive]

🥀

[terse valley]

huh, electric amp

must be from one of her talent?

consuming electric infliction gives amp or something?

[molten star]

They changed the timing of weekly weapon refresh

[wild rose]

Ye

[lost void]

Hello TC. Fangyi BiS for non sig is Oblivion right?

[terse valley]

ok i think she definitely want alesh

[wild rose]

It's probably Protocol Pass weapon

[wild rose]

Akekuri ≈ Arclight > Alesh

[bronze plume]

yeah its a talent we knew this

[terse valley]

yeah like zfy perlicker akekuri alesh

[wild rose]

Well not both

[terse valley]

for gilb-less folk

[dry kindle]

Mfw akekuri

[bronze plume]

tf does alesh do for her

[dry kindle]

Sp

And atk

[bronze plume]

so

she wants akekuri then

[terse valley]

no wait tf am i talking

not alesh

[wild rose]

Combo and Ultimate give SP also 15% ATK buff from like Pot 3

[terse valley]

whot f

[dry kindle]

Flares kinda bleh

[terse valley]

uhhhh

the lizard guy

[bronze plume]

antal

[dry kindle]

Antal

[terse valley]

ANTAL

fuck alesh

[wild rose]

Ye Antal is the goat

[bronze plume]

nobody besides shatter wants alesh lmao

[dry kindle]

I'm pretty sure we're running alesh over ake

[terse valley]

zfy perlicker alesh/ake antal

[dry kindle]

At least if you want to fuckin gamble fish

[bronze plume]

the only thing that interests me with her

[dry kindle]

[bronze plume]

is a avy team with her

[terse valley]

yea tf was that about

[wild rose]

Should be viable

[terse valley]

dev showcase

elec susc on ult

[dry kindle]

Zfy avy antal alesh 🗣️

[bronze plume]

me when something is viable in a ez game

[wild rose]

Well ykno

[dry kindle]

Arclight where

[wild rose]

It's not even a mediocre team, it's straight up a good one

[bronze plume]

i use her in my electric team

so there

and before you say ThErEs BeTtEr OpTiOnS

idc

she can still clear umbral

much wow

[lost void]

info is posted already. It looks underwhelming though

[terse valley]

she can convert any infliction into electrification?

[wild rose]

Looks better than Oblivion

[terse valley]

oh wait avy applies infliction

[dry kindle]

Reaction exists

[terse valley]

tf

[wild rose]

Esp when Fangyi's main stat isn't even Intellect

[lost void]

But accdg the gameplay footage her cs gains massive cdr.

[bronze plume]

we dont know how much atk it increase, how much electric dmg it gives and how long it gives it

[dry kindle]

Man can we remove the cryo inflict on alesh ult

[terse valley]

wait nvm it's on avy ult

[bronze plume]

you literally can not base it off what it does until we have the numbers

[wild rose]

Oblivion doesn't stack up

[inland quarry]

Cryo inflict on alesh ult is not a bad thing for fangyi

[lost void]

only from ult and cs

[inland quarry]

You can use to generate elec

[dry kindle]

Fml

[chilly bolt]

i mean you can tell it doesnt look good unless the numbers are good

[dry kindle]

It sucks in fangyi ult

[wild rose]

Yes and it's a small amount of DMG Bonus. The Protocol Pass weapon is guaranteed to be better
You can get it for free so just get it

[warped idol]

antal mdps weapon

[dry kindle]

Outside idk

[bronze plume]

thats

[dry kindle]

Also I forgot to check alesh frontiers

[bronze plume]

literally everything?

[dry kindle]

Fuck

[bronze plume]

if the numbers arent good

it isnt good

[dry kindle]

Alesh frontiers cdr

6 ebs fangyi ult

Trust

[wild rose]

Surely..

[terse valley]

uh whats the duration on zhuang ult?

[dry kindle]

You can do 5

[dry kindle]

25 or 27

[wild rose]

Are u resetting for 3 Rare Fins though

[dry kindle]

Around there

[dry kindle]

Just be luckier

Or enter with 300 sp

[wild rose]

xd

[inland quarry]

How so? Ebs applies electric infliction which can react the cryo to elec

[bronze plume]

wonder if shell just be able to

ult then skill skill skill in character progression runs

to just clear it

[wild rose]

Probably

[dry kindle]

Where combo trigger smh

[bronze plume]

such is everything with something that isnt out

[inland quarry]

Non-elec infliction appliers like alesh, tt, xaihi, and gil are still useful for old fashioned elec generation

[bronze plume]

probably maybe hopefully

[wild rose]

It still triggers

[inland quarry]

You can proc combo, react, bs, cs, bs

[terse valley]

huh thats like almost twice as much as laev

[chilly bolt]

actually true, but in this case 2nd line giving a dmg bonus instead of atk boost which doesnt look promising

[inland quarry]

Might start with fangyi ult>alesh ult>ebs>ebs>cs>ebs

[bronze plume]

gang if everything was atk% giving

[dry kindle]

Isnt zfy combo final hit on electric inflicted

[bronze plume]

it would be boring af

the doom of a non atk% boost

[chilly bolt]

true tho, it's hard for a non sig to give atk%

[bronze plume]

well its not

they just dont because they know its the best boost

[dry kindle]

Yeah no it is

[wild rose]

It still counts as electric infliction being applied even if it's used to proc a reaction

[bronze plume]

how

all they have to do

is be like

[dry kindle]

You need to final hit elec inflicted

[bronze plume]

yeah lets give it atk%

bam

it has atk%

obviously they wont cuz they know its the best dmg boost so theyll only give it to limited options

and thermite

[wild rose]

Mm no you're right

[terse valley]

combo converts infliction into electrification right?

[dry kindle]

Yeah

[wild rose]

Yeah

[inland quarry]

I think the real answer will come down to how ebs sequences

[terse valley]

and she wants lv3 electrification to spawn the most swords?

from one bs

[dry kindle]

Yeah

Lv2

[terse valley]

wait

[inland quarry]

If the infliction generates elec, will that elec be consumed by ebs?

[dry kindle]

Inb4 pot changes it

[dry kindle]

Yes?

[wild rose]

Electrification?

[inland quarry]

Source?

I didn't notice any such case in the stream footage

[terse valley]

electrification is consumed to spawn swords

on the ground

[wild rose]

Specify if Electrification or Electric Infliction please

[inland quarry]

I'm referring to sequencing

[dry kindle]

And multiplier

[wild rose]

Combo doesn't consume Electrification it consumes Electric Infliction

[dry kindle]

Anyway have this brain damage 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[inland quarry]

Let enemy have say nature infliction. Ebs applies electric infliction and consumes electrification. When ebs hits this enemy, electric infliction should react to generate electrification. Will the ebs then consume electrification, or will the consumption trigger first and the infliction reacts second

[warped idol]

anim cancel makes any timeline a nightmare

[wild rose]

Did they fix Antal, electrification levels and allat?

[inland quarry]

The sequencing of these effects will determine how to use non-electric inflictions in ult

[warped idol]

no, inflict is at the end of ebs

[dry kindle]

Go away

🗿

[warped idol]

you can see the dmg effect disappear when inflict appear

I'd clip it but i dont wanna download a 1hr video

[dry kindle]

First hit consumes electrification final hit applies infliction

[inland quarry]

That makes it simple then. Fangyi ult>alesh ult>ebs>ebs>cs>ebs

[warped idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281978603403481122/1493625899613028402/aas.gif

[chilly bolt]

looking at oblivion, the bp weapon needs to have like around +100% dmg bonus

to be good

[wild rose]

Wut

[bronze plume]

sigh...

[dry kindle]

Need more sp

[terse valley]

bp passive stacks to a certain amount

[dry kindle]

This piece of shit is 200 enter and hits 0sp on final ebs

[inland quarry]

That's only 200 sp. Maybe less if ebs has sp refund

[dry kindle]

It doesn't

[chilly bolt]

i mean yes total

[dry kindle]

At p0 anyway

[inland quarry]

Minus whatever sp alesh gives

[terse valley]

always gamble for fih

[chilly bolt]

something like +33.6% elec dmg bonus, stacks up to 3 times

[bronze plume]

really just depends on how it scales with pots

[dry kindle]

Pots aren't real go away

[bronze plume]

since p5 bp weapon is realistically what you gonna use if you dont go sig if you are to use the bp wep

[dry kindle]

[inland quarry]

Assuming you alesh cs in there that's 40 sp recovered

So <160 to start that

[terse valley]

p5 bp weapon
realistically

pick one

[bronze plume]

gang its a bp weapon

you literally gets dupes of it

[terse valley]

yeah from 4 other BPs

[bronze plume]

if you arent using op for the 2nd tier what you doing

[terse valley]

unless u pay

[bronze plume]

oph ture

[inland quarry]

Afaik you need to pay to get bp dupes

[bronze plume]

gacha players cant wait

[chilly bolt]

wait it has atk% too, so cant be +33.6%, something like +22.4%

[dry kindle]

Man why do I feel like ardelia or TT are gonna fuckin show up somehow

[terse valley]

YEAH JUST DONT PICK BP WEAPON FOR THE UPCOMING 4 OPERATORS
no big deal

[inland quarry]

Getting bp wep at all takes 2 weeks or something if you don't pay

[bronze plume]

sigh...

this really is help+

[terse valley]

u love that alot huh

[dry kindle]

Fuck it we ball

Catastrophe ardelia

I hate it here

[bronze plume]

clearly the new set was for her

[dry kindle]

🗿

[chilly bolt]

what's the new xiraflow set effect again

[terse valley]

we know?

[terse valley]

oh the translated one

right

[bronze plume]

they showed it in the livestream but in cn

[terse valley]

yeah i remember

[ocean turret]

literal ardelia bis gear

[bronze plume]

i mean

i doubt it

[terse valley]

omg new gear for my dps wulfgard

[bronze plume]

shes not there for her dmg

dps ardelia rises

[ocean turret]

true

[chilly bolt]

wait does that mean max 60% each stack and 3 times that is 180% ?

[wild rose]

10% ATK, Consuming a Reaction gives +15% DMG bonus for 25 for every level the reaction had, each stack duration is independent, up to 3 stacks

[terse valley]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-perlica-true-truth-nuke-gif-2305833387853791660

[dry kindle]

Lv2 reaction = 2 stacks

[inland quarry]

I wonder if this means that consuming higher lvl reactions lets you reach a higher max boost

[chilly bolt]

ok so 45% max

[wild rose]

It's 3 max stacks

Level 3 reaction procs it fully

Or do 3 lvl 1s

Or 1 lvl 2 1 lvl 1

[inland quarry]

That's unclear from the description

[bronze plume]

thats why

[inland quarry]

It could be that a lvl 3 reaction gives one stack of 45%

[terse valley]

wait what

[bronze plume]

we have to wait till we get our hands on it

to actually fully know

[inland quarry]

We'll have to see

[wild rose]

It can't

[chilly bolt]

it cant be that high yes

that's just stupi

[bronze plume]

135% would be

funny

[inland quarry]

Idk where you are getting that confidence from without using it ingame

[chilly bolt]

based on other sets

[inland quarry]

135% would be funny, but you'd also need 9 lvls of reaction in 25s

[bronze plume]

tbf could you even get off that much reactions that high stacks in time to get the full 135% for a meaningful amount of time

[wild rose]

Other sets don't have 135 dmg bonus, man

[terse valley]

can she even consistently consume lv3 electrification three times within 25s

during ult?

[chilly bolt]

tide surge is like 55% max

[wild rose]

Fuck no

[terse valley]

yeah thought so

[chilly bolt]

pulsar is 50%

[inland quarry]

You would not be able to sustain 135%

Higher bonus for shorter duration could well be a thing

[bronze plume]

could you even sustain a 90%

[wild rose]

No

[warped idol]

It can be literally what it said but
-good luck getting that much lv4 electric
-arts dmg is diluted anyway

[terse valley]

bruh calculating this gonna be sucks lmao

[wild rose]

Not enough elec appliers

[inland quarry]

Ultimately you cannot be confident how it works until we see it ingame

[bronze plume]

people had to deal wit rossi they can do it

[wild rose]

You just calc the damage for 1 set rotation, it's not that difficult

[ocean turret]

max only is 45% guys. 3 stacks of 15% dont overthink about it

[wild rose]

Maybe 2 rots if u wanna be real cool

[dry kindle]

Rossi is just crit sim slavery

54 crit rolls on ult 🔥

[terse valley]

istg if this is another typo hypergryph

[normal tangle]

what typo

[bronze plume]

me when the translation is not translating

[wild rose]

Tbf it's stream footage

They literally have text at the bottom saying this doesn't necessarily reflect the final product

[inland quarry]

It's unclear, we can't know for sure rn

[bronze plume]

yeah its all based on how good the translation of the person who translated is

[terse valley]

it's been a couple days surely someone would have corrected it if they mistranslated it

[wild rose]

Ye

[bronze plume]

just gotta wait like

[ocean turret]

thats too much buff if its 135. thats not a gear anymore

[bronze plume]

24 hours or whatever

[inland quarry]

135% would be hilariously difficult to achieve, so it's not crazy

That's 9 lvls of reactions in 25s

[wild rose]

It is crazy

[bronze plume]

oh its april 17th smh

[chilly bolt]

exactly 2 days

[wild rose]

Well, 1 day, 23h, 10 min

[bronze plume]

well 1 day 23hours 10 mins 50 seconds

[ocean turret]

[bronze plume]

now its 9 mins

[terse valley]

.maintenance

[crystal coral]

Server Maintenance Completion

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[bronze plume]

ive failed

[wild rose]

Less sec than that

misinfo is real

[sterile moat]

tfw i just realized that you could do this instead of getting on the raft

[bronze plume]

someones going to be 1 minute late to the game because of this

[bronze plume]

that is accurate

[chilly bolt]

always has been, also work with the frog mission

[wild rose]

That would be a real tragedy alright

[bronze plume]

there going to ask if fangyi is good 11 minutes instead of 10 minutes into the update

its over

[wild rose]

[ocean turret]

yall can just translate it yourself if youre not convinced on other's translation

[wild rose]

Just learn chinese dawg

[terse valley]

nah i'll just believe in the community

[inland quarry]

Or just wait until the update is out to test it

[terse valley]

(says everyone including the one translating it)

Surely someone will correct it if it's wrong

[inland quarry]

Even with a perfect translation, ingame descriptions are not known for being 100% accurate all the time

[ocean turret]

thats true

just like rossi's sig description

i cant wait tho

[chilly bolt]

what's wit it?

[inland quarry]

Besides, my personal rule is that I don't pull any char until 1 week after release

[terse valley]

no you wait until next version preview

[inland quarry]

Lets the misinfo and hype pass so I can decide based on actual tested info

[chilly bolt]

i dont pull until 3 days after

(that's when i get the tix)

[echo cove]

oh the bp sneak peek is out?

[wild rose]

Ye

[echo cove]

the sig not yet, rite?

[wild rose]

Sneak peak is, actual stats not yet

[echo cove]

nvm am blind

[terse valley]

yes

[chilly bolt]

wow rude

[terse valley]

no i mean the sig

not about that hes blind

[echo cove]

[terse valley]

well maybe he is but idk who am i to judge

[echo cove]

[inland quarry]

I mean

You haven't denied being blind

[terse valley]

i'm not blind

[chilly bolt]

hi not blind

[terse valley]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smack-slap-fuckyou-kitten-gif-11330282

[ocean turret]

how does arclight talent on her bs work? like i need to consume 3 electrification to activate it?

[terse valley]

yeah u need to do it 3 times

2 if shes pot5

[ocean turret]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jashinchan-jashinchan-dropkick

[dry kindle]

Its totally worth it

[wild rose]

for sure

[ocean turret]

yeah i think i can make arclight work on fangyi team

[terse valley]

it's fucking not lmao

[wild rose]

Sarcasm missed successfully

[terse valley]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/845132611957293106.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[ocean turret]

ill start the test run now

the problem is, i dont know which is better to use, ake or antal

[wild rose]

In what team

[ocean turret]

fangyi

[wild rose]

You probably use both

[ocean turret]

meh, im theorycrafting

ill use arclight

[wild rose]

okay

[terse valley]

he's arclighting it

he's gonna arc

[wild rose]

oh my god he's so close to arclighting it

[ocean turret]

im 1 sp away from the full rotation

[bronze plume]

i mean

wont be hard

[ocean turret]

they keep saying arclight is bad on fangyi team so i say bet

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-fine-ill-do-it-myself-ill-do-it-myself-gif-22181201

[bronze plume]

bad to people = like 5% worse then the next best thing

[ocean turret]

true

[soft tendon]

does anybody know what the specific logic behind this build for p4 lae is

[ocean turret]

atk maxxing

and uge maxxing

[dry kindle]

1 cycle ult with p4

[daring dove]

To be fair the next best thing is arguably a character everyone got P5 in their first 40 pulls. Akekuri.

[bronze plume]

its the whale build that 1 cycles ult with lots of atk thx to the slab

[soft tendon]

whats the rotation for it?

1 ebs 1 cs 2 ts is 253 energy

[ocean turret]

i think i did it

but its kinda slow since my arclight is lvl 1

[daring dove]

I'm praying Fangyi gets a potential that allows her to still generate swords if a teammate absorbs reaction. That would fix Archlight.

[ocean turret]

nahh

thats too much of a stretch

guys anyone can test run "alternative fangyi"?

[dry kindle]

Idk 🗿

[soft tendon]

[wild rose]

1 EBS 1 CS 3 TBS
255÷(100+25+6.5×3)×100 = 176.47058824% req
Xiranite Gloves + Redeemer Armour + Seal = 76.8% UGEff

Wait

[soft tendon]

Doesnt the sp return from p1 fuck it up

[wild rose]

It should still gen the 100 energy

[soft tendon]

Wait am i stupid

[wild rose]

nvm

Double checked smth

[soft tendon]

Shouldnt p1 lae give 5.2 energy instead of 6.5 bc sp return

[wild rose]

The SP return is only from her own BS

Which still generates 100 energy

Original energy gain value is replaced with 100

[dry kindle]

Return is calced on use iirc

It just doesn't work in 1 target

[soft tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-cinderella-gray-oguri-cap-horse-galaxy-brain-gif-7391528173250537607

[dry kindle]

🗿

[soft tendon]

Ok yeah thats what i was thinking

Isnt lae ebs 5.2 + 100 ult energy

Since its considered an additional attack on top of the skill

[wild rose]

Idk even, I calced this without that and it's still within range

I'm pretty sure it's just 100, but eh maybe I'm wrong

[soft tendon]

Bc my math is (5.2 + 100 + 6.5 + 6.5 + 25) + 76.8%

[wild rose]

I mean with 3 * 6.5 it's just barely within range

So with 2 * 6.5 + 5.2 it's just not gonna be there

Would test if only I had one more potential

[soft tendon]

Im assuming the rotation with the whale build is including a 3rd ts

Since a 2 ts rot is 2 energy short

[wild rose]

Ye

[soft tendon]

Looking at iana doc its still hotwork gauntlet instead of single slab for uge build

[wild rose]

and iana is the be all end all

[dry kindle]

Just test with max uge endmin or something

[ocean turret]

im back

i did the rotation

my hands are slow but it works suprisingly good

[river scroll]

hi back

I'm back bronya

[chilly raft]

🔥

phsyical team done

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220810810658525301/1463777942827171892/xormo.gif

full essence

[bronze plume]

now max it

[soft tendon]

[gritty olive]

oh

reminds me i should try getting thermite cutter now

[bronze plume]

bro doesnt have thermite in the big 1.1 🥀

[gritty olive]

no i mean i got thermite

im getting its essence

[ocean turret]

whats the uhhh abbrevation for fangyi?

[gritty olive]

trolling

[ocean turret]

fang or zf?

[bronze plume]

why tho

[gritty olive]

💀

[bronze plume]

2 in 1 10 or

[gritty olive]

whatever

[ocean turret]

lmao

[gritty olive]

i havent seen someone trying to standardize abbreviations

[bronze plume]

nobody cares about this icl

[gritty olive]

lets just wait on what rolls on the tongue smoother

[ocean turret]

i mean i just wanna make it short enough so that i dont have to retype fangyi every single time

[wild rose]

ZF

[ocean turret]

cause i already tested the rotation

with arclight i mean

[wild rose]

Tested what, where

[ocean turret]

i use wulfgard as "temporary fangyi"

[gritty olive]

fang already pertains to someone else

[wild rose]

Brother

[ocean turret]

he eats electrification

using bs

[gritty olive]

and the tenth sui sibling as well

[wild rose]

mhm

[ocean turret]

anyways ill just type the rotation before sending the vid

is it last hit or final strike?

[wild rose]

either way

[ocean turret]

okay

[wild rose]

Latter is the in-game text

[dry kindle]

Just slap it on endaxis smh

[ocean turret]

assuming that arclight is p5( cause i have her at p5 )

zf fs -> perl cs -> arc cs -> arc bs -> arc cs -> perl bs x2 -> zf cs -> zf bs( 3 swords) -> perl cs -> arc cs -> arc bs(talent buff) ->perl ult -> zf ult -> arc cs -> zf bs(6 swords)(i used perl bs as alt) -> arc ult -> ake ult(link) -> zf bs (9 swords)

sadly i forgot to click perl's ult🥀

im using lvl 8 arclight

[wild rose]

Hard to see the parallel

[bronze plume]

hows the sp here tho

[ocean turret]

what parallel?

[wild rose]

but if this helps you personally in figuring out Fangyi rot when she's out then that's cool

[ocean turret]

the video states the rotation i did

[wild rose]

with Fangyi

[ocean turret]

yes

i use wulf as alternative fangyi

[ocean turret]

oh my bad, just think that wulf skills are fangyi's

except the perl bs after wulf ult

[wild rose]

Aplies heat inflict so it's pretty scuffed

[ocean turret]

doesnt matter

the point here is

wulf zf cs makes combustion electrification
and wulf zf bs eats the combustion electrification

but for speed runners im sure every sec counts. so theyll gonna ignore this rotation

you get arclight buff, and 9 swords of fangyi

[potent hornet]

what has endfield done to me

first gatcha, got me to download ZZZ, now i'm downloading Mongil

[normal tangle]

why make a speedrun rot then what

you’re assuming you start at 100% ult so this is exclusively for trim speedruns

[bronze plume]

how does endfield make you download zzz

[potent hornet]

got me curious of other gatchas

[normal tangle]

if it wasn’t, you’d start at 0 and fangyi would have no ult energy by the time she’s supposed to ult

[normal tangle]

wtf is mongil

[potent hornet]

just came out

its downloading right now but apparently it has a monster catching feature

[normal tangle]

monster hunter gilberta

[potent hornet]

more gym leader gilberta

from my understanding

to be fair i loved Dragon Warrior Monsters

so anything that has a monster feature will probably grab me

[wild rose]

It's not really pokemon

[normal tangle]

i google it and every single ad is big boobed anime woman

[wild rose]

It's more like WuWa echoes, but combat is way slower

[potent hornet]

yup

[normal tangle]

jesus christ

yeah no thanks

[ocean turret]

Do you want a non ult rotation? Ill play rock solid then

[normal tangle]

you’d have to start at 0% ult and work up to full rot including ult

which you can’t do

because we don’t know numbers

or gear

[ocean turret]

Umbral has 0 ult

Thats what rocksolid does

[normal tangle]

do you own fangyi sir

how are you gonna trial fy rotation without fy

[ocean turret]

Did you even understand what i did earlier?

[normal tangle]

yeah you’re using wulf as a sub for fangyi

[ocean turret]

Uhuh

[normal tangle]

using assumptions

assumptions that we can’t confirm or even guess about

[ocean turret]

Uhuh

[normal tangle]

looking at this game i see why zzz got you

if mongil interests you zzz must be gold

[ocean turret]

Thats what theory crafting all about tho. Before rossi released the rotation is already crafted using chen as alt rossi

Cause they do the same thing even if chen doesnt consume art stack. You "assume" she does when you use chen cs

[normal tangle]

what bro

not a single person ever did that

[ocean turret]

Oh dont worry i did

[normal tangle]

whatever man

do what you want i guess idc

[ocean turret]

[drifting quest]

If you believe it then its true

Everyones opinion is equally correct

[ocean turret]

I used chen, ardelia, gil, pog on the theory run for rossi

[normal tangle]

can i believe in you

[drifting quest]

Of course

[normal tangle]

🥹

[drifting quest]

I would never share my opinion though it might make someone else feel bad

Only confirming other peoples opinions for me

[outer ermine]

nah thats wrong

[normal tangle]

unironically this is probably what chatgpt is told to do

[ocean turret]

Yeah that kinda gatekeeping yourself if something is wrong

[normal tangle]

we getting closer to organic ai

[drifting quest]

If you're saying it then it must be right

[normal tangle]

starting a fundraiser for shuogpt

[bronze plume]

i miss the old shuo

[drifting quest]

Nothing has changed I am simply embracing the channel culture people want

[ocean turret]

Shatter dapan

[dry kindle]

Fund me

[bronze plume]

man fuck that

[drifting quest]

W take

[bronze plume]

give me back old shuo

[ocean turret]

Is that what character development looks like?

[bronze plume]

this is the opposite of character development

[ocean turret]

Oh brain rotting?

[bronze plume]

its like realizing the main character in rent a girlfriend is a dumbass expect shuo wasnt le dumb but then went to society norms

[echo cove]

What happened while i was gone

[ocean turret]

Whuuttt

[ocean turret]

Thoughts on my rotation?

[echo cove]

Which rot?

[ocean turret]

This

[drifting quest]

If you think its good then its good

[ocean turret]

Why rent a gf out of all the anime you could choose from

[dry kindle]

Frontiers perlica for zfy

[bronze plume]

its a good example of a loser mc

[drifting quest]

Amazing insight

[bronze plume]

shuo english or spanish

[ocean turret]

Simp?

[dry kindle]

French

[drifting quest]

Whichever you think is better

[bronze plume]

hes just a loser in general

[bronze plume]

🥀

[wild rose]

Shuo thoughts on Frontiers Arclight with ZF to proc Arc CS every 2.55s?

[drifting quest]

Superior gamesense

[ocean turret]

True. All that money, down the drain

[drifting quest]

If you thought it up I dont doubt its good

[dry kindle]

😭

[wild rose]

Thank you, thank you

[bronze plume]

ardelia dps with laevatain on thermite?

[drifting quest]

It must be good if you think so

[bronze plume]

W

[echo cove]

It looks fine but can possible be tighter once we get the true number

[dry kindle]

I don't think

[ocean turret]

Not tight enough?

[echo cove]

Is my opinion

[echo cove]

Moreso we dk how many sp zyf's bs will take

Nor do we know zyf's ult energy

The cs cd is also still up in the air

[ocean turret]

How tight do you want

[echo cove]

So like, u r doin ok w what u have

[drifting quest]

You just need to believe

[echo cove]

But u might have more sp if she got sp return n stuff

[drifting quest]

If you believe in it hard enough it will work

[echo cove]

Which can be turned into sum other skill uses n stuff

[echo cove]

What happened to my shuo

[drifting quest]

Nothing happened

[ocean turret]

Enlightened mode

If you believe, it will come true ahh person

[drifting quest]

Mhm

No one is wrong

Everyone is correct

Thats simply how it is

[ocean turret]

Truth is fluid

[bronze plume]

man who tf is this shuo

[echo cove]

I think shuo got hacked

[ocean turret]

Too much brain rot, shuo ascended

Nahh its simple. Shuo got rejected

[harsh slate]

Question, how much damage lost if one of the essence does not match with the characters main weapon

[drifting quest]

However much you think is lost is how much is lost

[echo cove]

Depends on the team

[warped sorrel]

good question

Is essence even matter

[harsh slate]

I was farming Zhuang Fangyi Essence

[harsh slate]

If you like the character, yes

[ocean turret]

BROOO

[echo cove]

For dps, it's kinda a rly bad idea

Depending on the stat u lose

It can be up to like... Maybe 30%? Personal (Am just pulling number out of the air here)

[harsh slate]

Fangyi need like Will and suppression

[harsh slate]

Oof

That's a lot even if it's 20%

[dry kindle]

Its like

30-35% no essence so yeah

[echo cove]

I mean, losing her atk boost is i'd expect abt -1k atk at least

Losing will is maybe around -800ish

[warped sorrel]

It is that bad? Holy

[echo cove]

Losing supression u can just count urself since it's just direct buff

[harsh slate]

Ah

[echo cove]

That's why i said it depends on team cos all these are just for her own personal dmg

[dry kindle]

Essence is important for dps go figure

[echo cove]

When u combine it w team

[harsh slate]

Well I got Will and suppression but not atk boost

[echo cove]

It's prolly only like 25% loss or sth at worst

[dry kindle]

Back to the mines

[harsh slate]

Nuuuh

[dry kindle]

Yuh

Every failed run is just more fodder anyway

[harsh slate]

So

Will
Atk boost
Suppression

[echo cove]

It can be worse if zfy actually runs slab too

[wild rose]

Depends on the team, character, weapon and stat lost
Generally, just get 3 matching. If it's a support weapon, 0/0/3 is okay

[echo cove]

Since it directly connect to her will and atk boost

Less will=less atk=less atk boost value

[harsh slate]

Hmm I have Gilberta for support? Is she good

[dry kindle]

Please don't be slab user we need to maintain the agenda 🗣️

[drifting quest]

If you think she's good she is good

[teal pawn]

She's bad

What about it

[drifting quest]

If you say so then it must be true

[teal pawn]

Who hurt shuo

[harsh slate]

Hmm okay

Perlica, Zhuang Fangyi, Gilberta and Antal?

[drifting quest]

If you think its good then it is

[teal pawn]

😭

[harsh slate]

Oh right anyone play og ak?

[dry kindle]

Gilb probably isn't getting used

Explodes

[harsh slate]

She's more like Crowd control for multiple enemy and not bosses or elite?

[echo cove]

Obj tactical?

[harsh slate]

Huh

[dry kindle]

Burst damage support

[wild rose]

The hell is a OBJ Tactical

[drifting quest]

Whatever you want it to be

[harsh slate]

OrBital Jetstream/j

[echo cove]

Obj sword?

[teal pawn]

Arts Identifier

[harsh slate]

Well I guess I need to pick up my pickaxe for farming again

[echo cove]

[dry kindle]

Mfw ai model of scallion already

[harsh slate]

Later again, fellow Endmin

[dry kindle]

They know

[drifting quest]

If CN players say so they must be right

[dry kindle]

Cn is ai scallion posting

[ocean turret]

They know what

[outer ermine]

bros feed is dogshit

[outer ermine]

nd to ck

[dry kindle]

Half of it is horny shit

[outer ermine]

[bronze plume]

arguably better then mine

[wild rose]

He's a CN user, must be gospel

[potent hornet]

i need to go read about what this Sui thing is

been seeing a lot of buzz about that

[dry kindle]

So you see

[potent hornet]

my understanding is that she isn't supposed to exist

[bronze plume]

tldr a god split into what we thought was 12 fragments for like 5 irl years

then like a couple days ago we learn of a 13th

who is supposedly that generic genshinified green hair girl

[potent hornet]

ahh

[dry kindle]

Who doesn't even have the mandatory sui jacket

😔

[outer ermine]

[potent hornet]

meh Mongil will probably get uninstalled. the combat feels so flat

[wild rose]

Isn't there 2 marker stones though

Or is one of them from one fragment that died

[outer ermine]

https://x.com/i/status/2043917088436215988
even this is going around on bili

mafurina (@mafurfurina)

NIAN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

X · Apr 14, 2026, 4:59 AM

gib me vamp dude instead

[bronze plume]

we dont know if its a diff one or the dead one concretely i dont think

im not like super into the lore

[wild rose]

I see

[dry kindle]

They're a geist rn

Iirc

[wild rose]

oo

[potent hornet]

i mean if they are able to recreate things as reconveners couldn't they just make a Sui off of another one?

[drifting quest]

Whatever you think can happen can happen

You know best

[dry kindle]

😭

[wild rose]

xd?

Completely different magnitude

Plus originium isn't the same as what's going on with Sui

[potent hornet]

i will have to look it up if it nags my brain any more. not the right channel for it

[swift onyx]

Sui are gods, immune to originium
Doubt they just slap them inti rock cancer usbs

[dry kindle]

Wat

[wild rose]

Couldn't it still potentially gather data

[bronze plume]

for the rock cancer to data you one must be infected

granted

considering they are fragments of a god

we dont know if the others are still alive or not

[wild rose]

Yeh could have just lived thus far

Ig if originium just can't do anything to them then there's 0 chance there's a reconvener

[dry kindle]

They could just yk

[normal tangle]

this is a word salad that means nothing

[dry kindle]

Show up

[wild rose]

True

[normal tangle]

this is some shit chat gpt would say

[wild rose]

Still waiting for Warfarin to pull up

[dry kindle]

It is MTL

[normal tangle]

motion to light?

[dry kindle]

Machine translated

[normal tangle]

oh

i don’t think that’s relevant to what i’m saying

[wild rose]

The words do have meaning

It does

MTL is exactly what chat gpt does

They used chat gpt to translate the words from chinese, so of course it sounds like chat gpt

[normal tangle]

isn’t mtl like google translate

[normal tangle]

oh that’s dumb as hell

[wild rose]

Ye

[normal tangle]

who does that

[wild rose]

A lot of people

[normal tangle]

🎋

[dry kindle]

MTL is literally mtl

😭

[wild rose]

Doesn't rlly have to be chat gpt tho I mean there's so many others

[dry kindle]

Uh huh (what)

[normal tangle]

ai overview

it’s so over bro

[wild rose]

It make a graph

[drifting quest]

Must be useful if you're posting it

[wild rose]

That is true

[dry kindle]

The results are fuckin research papers

[wild rose]

Must be a high quality theorycraft then

[drifting quest]

Oh no we dont do that anymore

Theorycrafting is elitist

[vapid flame]

dimension reduction is useful in ml when you're trying to figure out which features out of thousands matter the most, but irrelevant to endfield dmg where you already have the formula

[wild rose]

Sounds like it would be relevant, just not required

[dry kindle]

Oh yeah you find out what ianas doing or nah

[drifting quest]

Whatever they want to

[potent hornet]

Theorycrafting isn't elitist. Gatekeeping and saying litterally everything is bad because numbers aren't the highest in the game for a game with the difficulty curve of a dinner plate kinda is

[wild rose]

Yeh

[vapid flame]

no, you already have the closed form solution, you don't need to predict anything

[normal tangle]

all due respect this shit is not worth starting

[wild rose]

Ahh that's what you mean. I see I see

[normal tangle]

both sides are brick walls i don’t care enough to watch this go down again

like overwatch double barrier meta all over again

[potent hornet]

fair

[wild rose]

It's always best to keep it somewhere in-between

[dry kindle]

Aren't you doing sheet if he quits

[potent hornet]

that was the worst meta

[dry kindle]

Why the fuck

Did double shield get mentioned

I'm throwing both of you out a window

[drifting quest]

Theorycrafting is elitist so naturally I wont be doing something so silly and elitist

[wild rose]

Truly

[drifting quest]

Everyone is equally valid and right so there's obviously no need for it

[ocean turret]

Thats not elitist tho

[gritty olive]

lupine scarlet + grand vision endming

[wild rose]

What is problem

[gritty olive]

there is no problem?

[wild rose]

okay

[gritty olive]

im just

i mightve missed out on something

[dry kindle]

[gritty olive]

i just dont believe crush can do this number

[normal tangle]

that seems like a regular crush to me wym

rossi gives phys dmg taken% debuff

[potent hornet]

remember crush has crazy requirements from level to get to max dmg

[normal tangle]

i wouldn’t call it crazy

[cinder oxide]

That’s kinda weak for crush?

[gritty olive]

lvl90 is just "dumb" requirement but quite expensive

[potent hornet]

well compared to ele ailments

[gritty olive]

this is endmin in a rossi taem

so sub dps crush ig

[cinder oxide]

Still fine though

With enough AI

That’s normal

AI makes big numbers for crush setups after all

[normal tangle]

i mean

not particularly?

endmin sig gives them enough, no need to build for it

[wild rose]

It's good to build some more

[normal tangle]

kinda crazy diminishing returns, should be better off just building dmg and whatever

since they’re not getting phys buffs in a rossi team

[wild rose]

Neither are they getting much arts intensity other than sig

[normal tangle]

..correct?

[wild rose]

Yuh

[drifting quest]

If you say so it must be true

[wild rose]

See?

[normal tangle]

what is even the point being made

[drifting quest]

Whatever point you want to make

[normal tangle]

whatever man i’m going to sleep

i say so, therefore it is true

[wild rose]

I'm not really being serious rn but if you actually wanna compare then get to calculating instead of feelscrafting it

[normal tangle]

i think therefore i am

[drifting quest]

Whatever you think is right

[wild rose]

I'm not saying this in a derogatory way by the way

[drifting quest]

You can never be wrong

[wild rose]

So true

This glaze is unprecedented

[normal tangle]

quite precedented for someone as awesome as me

daily occurence for one of my stature

[wild rose]

Did you take issue with the word glaze momodachi

[vapid flame]

why does theorycrafting have the most drama somehow

[drifting quest]

There is no drama

[wild rose]

There is only peace

[potent hornet]

There is no spoon

[drifting quest]

Drama implies someone is wrong

No one is wrong here

Everyone is correct

[wild rose]

That's right

[echo cove]

[vapid flame]

I'll come back when patch drops

[echo cove]

this feels uncanny

[dry kindle]

They don't do any damage

4 combustion isnt real go away

[potent hornet]

lol

[drifting quest]

If you say so

[wispy shuttle]

this sentence is false

[drifting quest]

If you insist

[pure spoke]

Everytime i check this server i feel like help channel has more drama

Maybe just bad timing from me

[drifting quest]

No drama

Unless you say so

[terse valley]

this sentence is STUPID

[drifting quest]

You are right after all