theorycrafting

[leaden mantle]

here's a reference

[bronze plume]

its not that bad

[normal tangle]

yeah but that's like 1

[drifting quest]

she has a fish tail

[normal tangle]

kylin are also only electric aren't they

[gritty olive]

this is what a sarkaz looks like

[drifting quest]

or well, a very much lung-ish tail

[gritty olive]

yes

[drifting quest]

looks like chens

[gritty olive]

https://arknights.wiki.gg/wiki/Kylin

[normal tangle]

better view maybe

[gritty olive]

ifrit has bony horns due to very severe originium infection

[normal tangle]

actually where can i find her ingame so i can just see it

[gritty olive]

this shit is a lung tail lets be real

[normal tangle]

she's not in her office

[gritty olive]

this is not like a fur tail at all

[warped sorrel]

I wont say she look like kylin

[gritty olive]

well i guess kylins can have tails that resemble lungs' or snakes like fluorite and eunectes

[warped sorrel]

arknights miss judged races is cannon irl

[normal tangle]

again how do we know this

we have ONE (1) prior example

how are we drawing generalizations from that

[gritty olive]

who is this prior example? leizi?

[normal tangle]

yeah

[gritty olive]

its "kylin", based on kyrins iirc

ganyu is one afaik

and she has a fur based tail as well

[normal tangle]

ganyu is a goat

[bronze plume]

han-

[normal tangle]

not as in greatest of all time but as in 🐐

she also famously has no tail

[gritty olive]

we actually have two

[gritty olive]

kms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilin

hooved animal so maybe horses like that

and horses dont have scaly tails primarily
but what do i know were trying to know what fictional animal a fictional character represents

[normal tangle]

bro that is straight up kirin armor from monster hunter damn

they were not subtle at all

[gritty olive]

there was a monhun collab

and an expected 2nd collab pretty soon

[bronze plume]

it was quite literally a monster hunter collab so yeah

[bronze plume]

i hope cn gets news of it soon man

[gritty olive]

we also have rathalos armor (5*)

https://tenor.com/view/yato-mh-alter-arknight-arknights-yato-alter-yato-yato-mh-alter-yato-alter-gif-9542964579827345107

[unique valley]

funny how present she was in the trailer but was never given a mention lol

[outer ermine]

birb

[gritty olive]

https://giphy.com/gifs/anime-eating-girl-feixiao-Fmy1W1pNQbnEUmofE8

[tight haven]

it is really uncanny how similar her face looks to feixiao

nothing else about her looks remotely the same but just her head's silhouette and general features look so similar

[drifting quest]

the eyes

the bangs

and the forehead diamonds

are i think what does it

[tight haven]

the forehead diamond and the placement of the wings for me

oh god youre right their eyes too

this is so fucking cursed

[drifting quest]

the nose too i guess

[gritty olive]

the liberi feathers on the sides looks like feixiaos overshoots or smth

the liberi feathers at top resembler her foxian ears

[tight haven]

yeah

does feixiao use a spear?

i remember her using a spear and im pretty sure lizhiyan does too

[gritty olive]

gunblade

and an axe

[tight haven]

ahh

[gritty olive]

halberd atp

[bronze plume]

whats the fangyi essence

[drifting quest]

will atk suppression

for sig

will elec efficacy

for bp

[bronze plume]

thx

where has will atk supp?

[drifting quest]

hub and science park both can iirc

[bronze plume]

W

[drifting quest]

depends if you have other weapons to farm

thats a lie they're identical im just dumb

[bronze plume]

nah i dont have any weps to farm anyway

[drifting quest]

id just do science park for the easier cheese spot

[bronze plume]

i dont know what that means tbf

i kinda just surronded everything in fire

[drifting quest]

there's safe spots you can stand to take no damage

to afk while towers clear it all

its a lot easier to just stand on the boxes in the science park

then line up the spot in the hub to not take damage from ranged attacks

[gritty olive]

got it in my first try

[bronze plume]

i

dont care

[drifting quest]

i only did two runs and didnt get mine

but i dont know if ill even be able to get fangyi

[gritty olive]

cared enough to reply back

:3

[bronze plume]

sigh...

[drifting quest]

need 80 pulls over the full patch which might be doable, discounting monthly pass which is counted to the 40 ill get there

[bronze plume]

the gacha community needs to be studied for how annoying it can be

[gritty olive]

[bronze plume]

what are you going to do if 1.3 is actually a 3 op again

[drifting quest]

i quit tc

👍

[gritty olive]

[bronze plume]

arent you doing that in 1.2 tho

[gritty olive]

its better for your mental state

[drifting quest]

depends

[bronze plume]

on

[drifting quest]

how easy fangyi is to tc without owning her

or if i sack her early regardless

[bronze plume]

i mean

you dont have to tc everything

[gritty olive]

the only person i TCed is both rossi and laev

[drifting quest]

if i take a break i probably wont start back up

[bronze plume]

so basically unless you get lucky forever in getting the ops you will eventually quit tcing

[drifting quest]

pretty much

if i hadnt gone to 120 3 different times

it wouldnt happen so soon

if pull income improves or frequency of banners drop, if not both

then i maybe stick around

or if rossi was an outlier in terms of kit complexity

[bronze plume]

does cc not have you at least a lil bit interested

[drifting quest]

yes

even if i quit tc i will continue to play endfield

[gritty olive]

i hope actual en strategies exist

not primarily copy cn homework

[drifting quest]

depends if its whalebait or not

cn has a lot more whales

[bronze plume]

i mean the reason it was copy cn is because cn had the stuff 6 months earlier so they literally already figured out all the stuff that worked before en got it

[drifting quest]

that too

but en players play on cn too

[sturdy hill]

copying hw is fun trust me

[gritty olive]

yeah i know but i just hope that actual en sgratehies exists

[bronze plume]

there was literally 0 way to not copy cn unless doing some weird thing that would just be worse

[gritty olive]

not like rely on cn

[bronze plume]

i mean we get it at the same time so like why wouldnt they

[sturdy hill]

kermit my beloved

[drifting quest]

different games means different approaches too

[gritty olive]

is3 player

[bronze plume]

granted its not like there will be more strats then what ak had

4 man team vs 12 moment

[drifting quest]

id expect most competent teams will clear max rewards

[bronze plume]

guess it depends on the amount of different "challenges" one can take

[drifting quest]

max risk might require specific comps

[gritty olive]

https://youtu.be/m_PuxdNqDXU

[gritty olive]

i want max risk to be like cc7 or cc10

not cc6 or cc8 for example

[drifting quest]

the first one has to be a bit kinder

[gritty olive]

tbf pine soot and ashring are easy max risks

[drifting quest]

cc11

[gritty olive]

but it also opens more strategies

[drifting quest]

smile

[gritty olive]

fuck waves

[drifting quest]

i started a bit before 11

so that was my first

mlynar borrow with like 1 e2 unit

to risk 18

[gritty olive]

easy r18 with texas solo

garbage r36

[bronze plume]

they all got easy af after a point

[gritty olive]

[drifting quest]

easy af
basepoint

think

[gritty olive]

cc1 pyrite is garbage tho

half a million hp cs

i dont remember

[drifting quest]

from what ive seen the first like

3-5 cc all sucked

[gritty olive]

ccbeta is cool
cc0 is originium tile spam
cc1 is atrocious. we didnt have elsium and weedy but we had suzuran
cc2 is liskarm + weed spam
cc3 is 7 oppable
cc4 is weedy
cc5 is garbage

early ccs is a testament to weedys strength

[drifting quest]

i saw a month or two ago some modded client stuff to replay old cc with modern ops that was pretty cool

[bronze plume]

me when im the only good x archetype

[gritty olive]

CC1 REALLY SUCKED due to no weedy

how would you deal with wraiths and wraith leaders with more speed

oh i know, weedy 1200 true damage per tile travelled

and we dont have her because FUCK YOSTAR

[summer narwhal]

CC7 was Dusk, no?

[gritty olive]

pine soot with free yes

[gritty olive]

6 oppable

[summer narwhal]

I maxed that one

[gritty olive]

spectrum is garbage

zuole mid lane im expecting

whats funny is how wang was able to do wild scales

or how they managed to not let wang or trag get hit by free

[bronze plume]

ok got it back to m12ing rossi

[gritty olive]

also weedy on the cc1

you can see how clearly shes made for cc1

wraiths upscale

[bronze plume]

why is the 4th stage on this goddamn event

the same as the 2nd

[summer narwhal]

Is that tomorrow's for NA?

[bronze plume]

probably idk what the time is nor when daily reset is for na/eu

[drifting quest]

2nd was bomb stage?

is the 4th another

[bronze plume]

yes

[drifting quest]

sad

[bronze plume]

4th is another bomb stage

[drifting quest]

to be fair 1 and 3 were very similar

[bronze plume]

stand in place and throw a bomb for 1 minute

[summer narwhal]

Ah

[drifting quest]

large amounts of trash mobs that die in a basic attack or two

[bronze plume]

at least it gives 50 purple dodecahedrons thats cool i guess

[safe forge]

for zhuang fangyi + perlica should perlica be on detonation unit or wanderer?

[bronze plume]

i would wait until fangyi is actually out and can be tested

[safe forge]

i have so much sanity lol

[knotty yoke]

Yeah I’m hyped and want to play so bad but I’m telling myself not to prefarm too much until it can be tested. I was gonna pre build perlica and arc light but I’m hesitant to even do that because who knows

[bronze plume]

granted isnt det literally just better then wanderer

[safe forge]

i dont understand the mechanics well enough. detonation requires perlica to apply arts burst, but does her combo skill count?

[vapid flame]

she'll definitely want perlica for electric infliction

[vapid flame]

no, arts burst is when you do an arts infliction and the same type is already there

[safe forge]

so how would you trigger it with perlica?

[bronze plume]

you just

[safe forge]

you need an existing electric infliction?

[bronze plume]

have the enemy already have a elec inflic

[safe forge]

i c

[limpid rock]

doesn't zhuang kit need the elec inflic already applied?

[bronze plume]

if you have to do that via double casting perlicas battle skill depends on the entire team comp and rot which is why you should wait for the character to be out so people can actually test and figure out the best team comps before asking questions regarding a character who isnt even out yet

or alternativly

[safe forge]

i only play physical team so i dont know how the elemental arts inflictions work lol

[bronze plume]

test it yoself

[bronze plume]

read

[vapid flame]

cs does yeah

[summer narwhal]

I keep seeing Stanza for Perlica?

[safe forge]

stanza requires your team to be not electric for the buff to work

[summer narwhal]

I see

Maybe run Gilberta too?

[safe forge]

no idea

[drifting quest]

gilb doesnt look promising from the stream alone

could change on release when we get numbers and talents

[vapid flame]

gilb seems less likely since her ult is an install and gilb's debuff only lasts like 5 sec, but depends on numbers

[summer narwhal]

I honestly don't know anymore, I'm still unsure if I should build Arclight

[safe forge]

is there any SP generators in the electric team?

[drifting quest]

i would not

arclight is pretty

miserable kit wise

arclight might make the team but i really cannot see it

[vapid flame]

arclight needs to eat electrification to apply her big buff, and zhuang also wants to eat electrification so seems unlikely

[summer narwhal]

Can she apply it?

[thorn shore]

The thing really in her favor is 3s cooldown on cs

And it will trigger on both fangyi apply and eat

So 20 sp per rotation for completely free I assume

[drifting quest]

are we acting like 20sp over an entire rot is good

or what

[thorn shore]

Idk if it’s gonna be possible but if there comes a point where there’s 9 swords out and there’s no other reason for zhuang to consume

Arc can have at it

[thorn shore]

Might add up for fangyi during ult

[vapid flame]

with cs..you can see her kit in the livestream starting at 26:50

[drifting quest]

you still want to do it to buff the bskill damage

[thorn shore]

Ok so it does do that

Then yeah probably not

[proud vector]

oh hey a gilb rerun banner
Neato

[drifting quest]

"Consumes the target's Electrification to increase the DMG multiplier of this battle skill"

if it buffs sword hits too

you never want arclight eating elec

[thorn shore]

Yeah only reason I could ever come up with is how fast fangyi will be applying and eating during ult

Which is very fast

[proud vector]

ok there may be arguments for it from a 0 energy start to kickstart the rotation but

yeah generally for dps, arcnight won't get to nom, as long as someone else can nom to get value out of combo skill..
That said, maybe some noms for tempestuous arc stacks.... hmm

[gritty olive]

https://x.com/Nepnepping/status/2043118812136939959?s=20

Nepnepping (@Nepnepping)

😶
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X · Apr 12, 2026, 12:07 AM

[thorn shore]

Antal and perlica are the only two characters I’m pretty certain will be great

[vapid flame]

maybe if there's a cc risk that's like 0 sp regen

[summer narwhal]

I was talking about Arclight

[vapid flame]

oh arclight can with ult, you can see her kit on google 😄

[drifting quest]

there's like no actual argument where you couldnt just run like alesh

they'll be selling a premium vg option later on most likely anyway

[summer narwhal]

You act like I can comprehend what I read

[proud vector]

ergh

the first primo vanguard will explode the game yes yes

[vapid flame]

i believe in you

[gritty olive]

less sp regen is better than more sp cost

[edgy elk]

Nicenice!! Will try yep

[tight haven]

the more i look at arclight the more i feel like akekuri unironically does her job better

for fangyi

arclight's sp regen is so pitiful

withholding final judgment until after i have her fully built and have fangyi to test with but christ alive her ult not providing sp is... certainly problematic

[swift onyx]

Well, ofc she does
Arclight isnt even in avy team lol since akekuri is bettee there too

Plus, most of what makes arclight do anything, is her eating elec inflictions
But fangyi wants to do that instead so it kinda, fights

[sterile moat]

kinda causes issues with 2nd rota onwards for her alignment but its not worth trying to align the ult anyway

[drifting berry]

Just consume the electrification infliction before Arclight's ult explotes 🔥

Honestly I have never used her so no idea

[limpid shadow]

do yall think a max risk solo clear is possible for the upcoming CC

[sterile moat]

Of course not

What kind of challenge would it be if you could solo

[limpid shadow]

trueing

[drifting berry]

For arknights I think the first CC wasn't clearable at max risk.

Tho potentials here are far stronger than what a whale could have gotten in arknights

[sterile moat]

Iirc it was eventually max risked on tw server?

[swift onyx]

It was cleared but it was ass

[glad cloud]

how big of a potential does zhuang fangyi have as a meta dps

[sterile moat]

Bruh we dont even have numbers or talents

[swift onyx]

We have 0 idea
probably best surely not coping

We dont really have the best elec supports so, she may not feel as good
Who knows

[sturdy hill]

numbers where

[leaden mantle]

there's enough time to get fangyi and rossi right? I'm still debating on if I should pull rossi or not...

[glad cloud]

nah

u gotta decide on one char

[civic wolf]

is it just me or is fangyi just electric laventain lol

[glad cloud]

and laeva is the best in the game so

[leaden mantle]

oh wait I have enough for one spark though. rn

[sterile moat]

Only in sustained dps

[glad cloud]

yes exactly

[sterile moat]

Burst dps, rossi is the best

[thorn shore]

Does laev even catch up over time

Rossi does a lotttttt

[civic wolf]

us Avywemma getting kicked out of electric meta or not really?

[swift onyx]

Too bad lava is sooo boring

[civic wolf]

so fangyi is gonna be boring too got it

[thorn shore]

Wait till 1.2 once we actually see everything

[swift onyx]

Nope cuz fangyi peak
Lava no peak

[sturdy hill]

.stop2

[crystal coral]

https://tenor.com/view/zhuang-fangyi-zhuang-fangyi-dragon-dragon-girl-gif-17711825278584358889

[swift onyx]

Cheap shu immitation

[glad cloud]

I'm lowk just praying fangyi's playstyle is fun ingame 🙏

I'm tired of laeva

[sterile moat]

time to play rossi

her playstyle is so fun

[swift onyx]

Spit your shit indeed

[civic wolf]

assuming Fangyi is the main DPS do we know how important her sig is likely going to be compared to Rossi's?

[swift onyx]

How should we know man

We dont know the effects
We dont know the bp weapon effects

[thorn shore]

5d

[swift onyx]

Well we know her weapon is 156 will and 39% atk
But 3rd line most impoortant

[sterile moat]

rossi sig weap has such a huge % difference so unlikely

[terse valley]

yo new update?

what's the dirt

[warped idol]

arclight is still buns

[gusty saffron]

Well I know that I definitely will pull her weapon, pretty sure it should be significant. I mean, they literally put her banner for 35 duration, a featured featured-character 😄

Btw considering her known kit...what 2 characters I could build like for sure for her team comp?

Perlica Arclight?

[terse valley]

probably perlica antal flex

[warped idol]

arclight is anti synergy

the current speedkill comp that the totally #1 avywenna main tc'd have arclight there just as an electric inflictor

[terse valley]

how come arclight anti synergy

just don't consume the electrification

[warped idol]

if she dont consume then her only role is 1 electric stack with her ult and sp regen (which she's still bad at, 90sp at absolute best case scenario during zfy's ult). At that point just use akekuri

maybe she can proc frontier and thermite but at that point just put Akekuri in for the final burst zfy battle skill

her only good point is talent 1 but the multiplier is super diluted for the comp and then you'd be consuming zfy's electricfication

even in casual play there are better options than her

[dry kindle]

Yes.

[neon knot]

electric dmg bonus already gets mogged by atk%

my guess is 20% difference in personal dps vs a max pot bp weapon

and 30% diff vs p0

[icy remnant]

That has never happened for any BP weapon

[neon knot]

didn't it literally happen with tangtang

[icy remnant]

Personal dps? No

Team dps wise it’s a 10% diff

[frozen tide]

Tt mdps sig vs bp was big diff i believe

And team dps diff atleast for lr is significant as well

P0 vs p5 for lr team don't think it was 30 still

🤔

[icy remnant]

Anyway Fangyi is a main dps

And they actually take effort to balance the BP weapons

[frozen tide]

Number i rememberish out of my ass is 20

[icy remnant]

From what it seems is that it’s always ~10% team dps down p5 to sig

[icy remnant]

Well the 30% number here is even more outrageous

[frozen tide]

Tt bp vs sig difference was unusually big

Even still i do doubt 30

P0 vs p5 atleast

[icy remnant]

It’s probably cus TT was designed as a sub dps

And balanced as one

They seem to focus on the team dps difference which has been rather uniform

~10%ish dps down p5 BP to sig

[warped idol]

Rossi

or was you guys comparing p0 sig to p5 bp?

[chilly bolt]

That pic on the right is personal dmg

[warped idol]

thats why I post both team and personal

[chilly bolt]

It's still funny how big of a difference between p0 and p5 sig for personal dmg

[warm galleon]

So her bis is p5 lupine and 2nd bis is p4 lupine
Got it

[proud vector]

dont forget the p3 lupine

xD

[inland berry]

guys do i use glorius memoery on chen or endmin if chen alr got sundering steel?

[icy remnant]

I didn’t realise Glorious memory was so good

13% team dps down p0 vs sig?

And 6% p5 vs sig?

What even is the point of getting the sig at that point

Well I’m getting glorious next patch anyways

For Chen

[icy remnant]

What does Endmin have

[inland berry]

only this really

[icy remnant]

Man

Go buy him a coffee for the $1 sword

Sundering should be fine for Endmin

[sturdy hill]

gv is also in never rest banner

[dry kindle]

Gm

[echo cove]

Rm?

Gm?

[dry kindle]

Bp wep

[echo cove]

Oh glorious

Ok nvm

Mb

[glad kestrel]

For the Drip

[dry kindle]

To give gm to someone else

🗿

[glad kestrel]

Plus if you use both Chen and Rossi in the same team, it helps to have both.

[round tulip]

Theoretically, how would damage numbers compare if you build rossi normally with her sig opposed to building her with crit pieces only and some f2p statstick weapon?

[gritty olive]

im tryna sim it but

[round tulip]

Actually i wonder how good laevatein sig on her with crit equip pieces

[west viper]

if you're f2p you're most likely not getting p5 battlepass

[wind pagoda]

We alr came up with a BIS team for fangyi yet?

[west viper]

so if you're paying might as well get the sig xD

[inland quarry]

How does arclight look for zhuang?

It seems to me that she'd mostly be a combo bot, effectively 10 sp recovery per zhuang bs

[west viper]

ake is just better

[inland quarry]

How so? She doesn't seem directly comparable at least

[dense plank]

she's 20sp per fangyi cycle

[inland quarry]

I'm not that familiar with ake, how does that work?

What counts as a fangyi cycle rn?

[dense plank]

I dont think you can put ake in fangyi comp outside of ult ready 1 rot runs

[thorn shore]

Ake would just be an ult bot

With a little bit of SP gen

Which is basically what arc would be too

Except instead of her ult being an elec inflic it’s a pretty nice dmg buff

So better than arc

[lime bear]

currently prefarming fangyi essence

in ori park

thank god it's farmable in valley iv so I can use my abundance of tickets

[dense plank]

with how garbage arc is, she should do more team damage than akekuri when you factor in the damage from all the combo skills, its just that you need to invest her compared to ake being just plug and play

[glad kestrel]

Wait how does link work with ults like laevatin and fangyi? im not familiar

[dense plank]

you use it when she does her ramped up bs

[glad kestrel]

ahhh yeah that makes sense

[west viper]

i hate how they did so dirty to arclight

[dense plank]

all ult casts will consume link, even buff ults like antals and xaihi

[west viper]

i really like her design :/

[dense plank]

which effectively just wastes it

[thorn shore]

If there’s ever an elec team where they don’t care abt the electrification being consumed and apply it in excess arclight would be insane!!!

[glad kestrel]

hmm might go for Avywenna, Fangyi, Perlica, Akekuri then.

[final plume]

are these officially confirmed?

[inland quarry]

Stream had the stat lines

[glad kestrel]

Yep they are.

[dense plank]

stream announced the stat lines, you just need to find which energy alluvium has those stats

[west viper]

true but like why make the next electric character so anti synergy XD

[hardy rose]

That isn't anti synergy tho

[inland quarry]

How does perlica cs play with fangyi?

Since you get less swords from consuming it

[west viper]

they both want to consume electrification, how is it not

[glacial jackal]

Yes

[hardy rose]

They're just not consuming electrification. Which leaves it for arclight

[glacial jackal]

So arkliight is not good for fanyi ?

[dry kindle]

[west viper]

or did i understand the kit wrong

[hardy rose]

Read his suggestion again. They said if there's ever an electric team that doesn't consume electrification

[inland quarry]

Honestly if arclight talent wasn't so expensive she'd be quite solid

[hardy rose]

That's not talking about Fangyi

[west viper]

ah im talking about fangyi

okay

gotcha

[inland quarry]

But spending 180 sp for a dmg dealt buff is so expensive

[hardy rose]

👍🏾

[glacial jackal]

No she consumes both and fangyi need both electric stack and electrification

[west viper]

im just confused why make fangyi not synergise with the only electro vanguard lol

[hardy rose]

The split dmg still drives me nuts.

[inland quarry]

Arclight cs triggers on enemy gaining or losing electrification

[glacial jackal]

Same

[hardy rose]

But there's workarounds

[inland quarry]

Only bs and ult consume

[west viper]

it's looking to be like another lav team

where you just use stuff that works ig

[inland quarry]

Combo has 3s cd so you could probably trigger it on fangyi bs and cs

[glacial jackal]

Amd she needs vangurd as she has to use bs as much as possible

[west viper]

but not particulary good

[glad kestrel]

never really tried electric teams, do you usually use arclight battle skill in those teams??

[hardy rose]

Yes

But p5

Is need

My arclight is p4

[glacial jackal]

Yeah but even her ult comsumes scaks

[west viper]

even in avy team you dont really use arclight

[inland quarry]

It's really her talent that wants to consume electrification, hence my comment on that

[glacial jackal]

No point in using her

[west viper]

but maybe that's just because ake is that good

[hardy rose]

U can with p5

[glad kestrel]

das sad, i kinda wanted to fit her in for a full Mono electric team. Guess im sticking with the Shiba Inu.

[inland quarry]

Arclight ult consuming infliction is fine, since it converts to electrification. Very similar to fangyi cs

[glacial jackal]

Im thinking same thing she will be better than alesh

[hardy rose]

Akekuri isn't often the choice. Best team dmg wise for avy is still arclight, gilberta, perlica

[west viper]

it just sucks because the core gameplay of arclight i really enjoy and she's fun to use, high dopamine

[hardy rose]

Most of the time

[glacial jackal]

But she dose not apply higher lvl of electrification as fangyi

[inland quarry]

If arclight's talent weren't so expensive it would give something that competes with ake's link

[west viper]

isnt that for a specidfic speedkill?

[glad kestrel]

True her animations are actually pretty good especially her ult.

[glacial jackal]

She is not the one bruh

[hardy rose]

"such is the optimal path"🗣

[west viper]

I still used her in avy team cuz shes fun

[glacial jackal]

She will waste both electric stacks and electrification

[daring dove]

That's best girl to you

[hardy rose]

Is it? It's the team i often see, with certain bosses and enemies using antal instead

[tiny leaf]

Do y’all think lynx or eternal xiranite is better for ardelia in late game stuff

[west viper]

idk, i didnt check most recent avy teams ehat people use

[tiny leaf]

The sustain vs/ debuff

[hardy rose]

Fair

[west viper]

but at the beginning everyone seemed to be running avy perlica ake gilb

[hardy rose]

I'm just happy my avy can still play with fangyi

Dual dps

[inland quarry]

Wiki says the electrification is based on level of infliction consumed, same as fangyi

[west viper]

oh that's cool

im probably skipping but if i get her it's nice then

i like avy

[hardy rose]

Same

[west viper]

avy gameplay is fun

[hardy rose]

I hate her basics tho

[west viper]

imma do 40 pulls

not more tho

[hardy rose]

When her final strike whiffs

It hurts

So bad

[west viper]

yea basics are annoying

[glad kestrel]

I just find having the swords and the spears on the ground really cool with avy + fangyi

[west viper]

"use perlica on field" 🗣️

[hardy rose]

She doesn't provide any bufging except a 10 sec electric susceptibility of 10% with ult

[tight haven]

arclight might be optimal but she will likely feel bad to use

[hardy rose]

But that's fine

And fangyi can at least have monaihe as a stat stick

[tight haven]

too many variables to tell rn and im already seeing people just jumping the gun and making assumptions

(on reddit mostly)

[hardy rose]

If you don't go for bp or sig

[inland quarry]

I do think that arclight will be more sp recovery than ake, but ake has link

[west viper]

it's just your usual reddit

[hardy rose]

Being on there was ur first mistake

[tight haven]

like it or not it will spill over here

[glad kestrel]

Depends on the boss ig.

[hardy rose]

75% to bs and 50% to ults right?

[inland quarry]

30/20 with one stack

[hardy rose]

Oof. I was way off

[inland quarry]

75/50 is max stacks

[hardy rose]

Oh

🤔

[west viper]

tbh i really dont like how zfy looks while transformed

🟩

[inland quarry]

It looks like you'd use it to boost a 9 sword fangyi bs in ult

[hardy rose]

Oh yh. Diminishing returns for each stack

[inland quarry]

So it won't be as cracked as boosting big ults

[hardy rose]

I thought the same thing

[glad kestrel]

Oh yeah me too, they just strapped LED lights on her and called it a day T_T I prefer the first version better.

[hardy rose]

Rlly?

[glad kestrel]

still gonna pull for her either way tho

[west viper]

she just looks... green

[glacial jackal]

And where is that in game ?

[west viper]

her normal form is beautiful

[dry kindle]

Tap in

[hardy rose]

There's far more detail in the close up. Like we see in the cutscene

But you can't see that in battle

[inland quarry]

To confirm it ingame, time the duration of the electrification. That's the easiest way to tell the rank until 1.2

[glacial jackal]

Ok agree

[inland quarry]

Have it consume 2+ inflictions, then time

[inland quarry]

Rank 1 is 12s

[dry kindle]

Consume to inflict = reaction equal to inflict stacks

[hardy rose]

Gear 5 Fangyi

[inland quarry]

Forcibly apply is accurate regardless since it's not triggering a reaction, it's going straight to electrification

1.2 adding a rank marker to reaction debuffs will be sooooo nice

[glad kestrel]

she looks less green in the live stream, shes now an LED bulb

[hardy rose]

There is more detail. I stand by that.

[west viper]

maybe there'll be a mod to de-green her XD

[hardy rose]

Tho

She is just nked lol

With markings and ornaments

They should have gave her this

https://tenor.com/view/mahoraga's-adaptation-mahoraga's-wheel-divine-general-mahoraga-makora-gif-6549350953160866281

[glad kestrel]

bro turned her into mahoraga

[hardy rose]

Would arts intensity do anything for fangyi?

[west viper]

why not

[hardy rose]

I can't remember how much it effects electrification

[west viper]

oh

hn

it should iirc

[inland quarry]

Ofc it would boost electrification

Idk if that ends up being worth it

[glacial jackal]

But fangyi dose same on her combo

[inland quarry]

Yes

[hardy rose]

Cause I might not get her sig or bp. And monaihe seems like a stat stick option

[inland quarry]

As I said, it's basically fangyi combo

[tight haven]

it should not unless her multipliers scale off arts int as a passive effect

[glacial jackal]

So she will be cancelling her combo ?

[tight haven]

consuming reactions means that arts int is basically wasted for her big hits

[hardy rose]

Ah 🤔

[inland quarry]

Why canceling?

[dry kindle]

useless

[hardy rose]

The ult gain perhaps

[dry kindle]

elec is consumed before bs damage

[hardy rose]

Also monaihe is in her splash art. So I'm hoping it's decent. And has will main stat

[glacial jackal]

By consuming electric inflictions

[inland quarry]

I assume you'd want arclight ult sometime in fangyi ult to dump bs faster than fangyi cs cd

[glacial jackal]

I that will be best scenario

So if we skip her bs we can use her

And she will basically provide extra electrifications for fangyi

[inland quarry]

If my math is right, ake needs this much sp spent to get ult

Which is kinda sad lol

So arc should indeed be more sp if ake is only using ult

[glacial jackal]

But are there any electric inflictions of appliers ?

[glad kestrel]

is this with 0 ult gain eff?

[inland quarry]

Max artificed uge at p4

[glad kestrel]

dang

[lucid vine]

Want to share a Team Builder website I've been manking. It's fully working now.
https://endfield.metriclabs.net/

[rapid heron]

isnt this the same as end axis?

[inland quarry]

Huh, is perlica the only good electric infliction applier?

[lucid vine]

I reused the frontend

[rapid heron]

yes

Perlica basicly locked in with ZHuang

[lucid vine]

Everything underline is completely different

[inland quarry]

I guess fangyi/perlica is your base. Arclight/akekuri for sp. Avywenna can sub dps. Xaihi/ardelia/antal/gilberta can support

Tangtang could also work I guess but not as good

[sterile moat]

sick website with the damage share calculation

[chilly bolt]

How does this work, or it's not working on mobile?

[sour gazelle]

where's the sustain tho

can't unga bunga if this shit is coming

[inland quarry]

It sounds like cc will demand highly customized teams

[bronze plume]

the dodge button

[inland quarry]

You'd build for a specific set of modifiers, rather than bring a general team

[gritty olive]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/s/h4aijceaf2

tc is dead

[bronze plume]

plus ill be very surprised if there literally isnt just a risk you can take that is "you cant heal lmfaoA"

[inland quarry]

I look forward to snowshine and ember being meta

[rapid heron]

2 OP event and CC gonna make defender value go up

[bronze plume]

defenders value will got up 2x

its just a shame 0 x 2 is 0

[rapid heron]

oof

[dry kindle]

now where fangyi

[inland quarry]

Protection could be strong if antiheal exists, which it probably does

[lucid vine]

Sadly it's too big to fit in phone size screen. You have to open it on PC

[inland quarry]

It sounds like ai code was involved, are all the numbers verified against ingame data?

[lucid vine]

As much as I can. Yes.
I have written in website that why damage might be off. But still, I believe it's good enough for damage analysis. You can view damage breakdown for every hit and how it's calculated.

[signal sundial]

cant heal + cant dodge + sp recovery -50%

just as john hypergryph envisioned

[inland quarry]

LMDI alone is almost certainly flawed, but the math to handle alternatives automatically would be painful

[sterile moat]

i found the calculated rotation time strange

does it take the time when all debuff falls off or something

it should be when the last skill ends

[lucid vine]

It count the last damage hit

you can right click to add an endline to stop simulation at any point

[sterile moat]

hmm then theres stuff like combustion that would mess it up or something

[lucid vine]

Yes, if dot last long beyond the rotation, I suggest to use endline

[sterile moat]

ah ok i see it

can it optimise for animation cancels?

[lucid vine]

I agree, since we can never fairly credit the condition that enables a buff.

[lucid vine]

not really, but you can record the time in game and use the simulated total damage to calculate your dps.

[grand lagoon]

Ember is still a failure as defender who cant parry or block

[sturdy hill]

question mark

[honest hill]

When P5

[daring dove]

Love to see 50 purple nodes from a single event quest.

[sturdy hill]

💸

[sturdy hill]

i want 400k tcreds

[honest hill]

How much u got rn

[sturdy hill]

200k

[honest hill]

This is nothing for whels

[sturdy hill]

barely enough

[honest hill]

You need like

2M+ to m12

[daring dove]

Helps me get a decent amount ahead of release hoping to have her fully prefarmed.

Nearly 300 purple nodes now, but focusing on make essence first.

[honest hill]

Wish we knew what mats she needs

[sturdy hill]

i have a surplus of those for no reason

[echo cove]

just save stam instead

[honest hill]

Yeah that's what im doing

[daring dove]

I just always get 1.4m T-creds / 450 blue nodes / 450 purple nodes / max essence. Whatever else I'm missing at that point can easily be bought with pull currency.

[honest hill]

Yeah i wish we knew what the rest were for masteries and e4

Or whatever the last one is

[daring dove]

I'm thinking by the end of 1.2 I'll have all 6* operators fully maxed out I hope.

Then I can just work on whatever else needs a bit of focus.

[outer ermine]

cant even work on my shatter rn w those gear reveal

[dry kindle]

L

[dry kindle]

just prefarm 1000 catalysts

[outer ermine]

give me urs i know u have 600

[dry kindle]

no

its all for slab

🗣️

double slab fangyi gaming

[sturdy hill]

lets go

believe in 1k will fangyi

[sterile patrol]

[daring dove]

Guessing you haven't built many characters if you have that many t-credits or are a massive whale.

[river scroll]

which one more likely being on leek team?
black horsie or lewd bunny

[grand lagoon]

only 2team tho, and i avoid getting support maxed 90 with m123, also didnt farm for t-creds

[echo cove]

Lynx fangyi?

[dry kindle]

fuck no

[echo cove]

[hearty tree]

Will Agi or Will Int Fangyi, hmmmm

[daring dove]

Fair enough, me personally I'm in a race to max out everyone. There I can just take it easy as new characters release.

An start stockpiling resources then.

[chilly bolt]

Probably int secondary

[hearty tree]

Perfect Slab then

[honest hill]

Stop being so poor Hifumi

[bronze plume]

^

[daring dove]

Nearly done making good progress.

[dry kindle]

i cant wait to 10 pull fangyi then miss her sig

[hearty tree]

What do you think of Mono-Electric? Does ZFY's teased kit intefere with Avy's

[vapid flame]

probably won't, just make sure to land fs when elec or infliction is on

[scenic bluff]

Should i have up 9mil wuling stock creds to upgrade everything in 1.2

[dry kindle]

might as well

[chilly bolt]

People in help still think laev doesn't work with rossi

[bronze plume]

ai m,ean probably

[scenic bluff]

does she?

i need to see a team

[chilly bolt]

So far I've seen 2 variations of laev and rossi comp

Laev rossi wulf gil
Laev rossi ardelia gil

[daring dove]

I mean she does work, but I'm still not convinced she takes Tangtang's place in this team.

An Ardelia replaces Perlica.

[bronze plume]

wait we didnt see new batteries

[chilly bolt]

Tangtang rossi is another different arts comp yes

[dry kindle]

i swear if tt shows up in zfy comp

🗿

[bronze plume]

i mean its just different variantions to rossi arts team

[daring dove]

Yeah me it's not about what works it's about whats best. I'd like Leavatains team to be better. But dropping Tangtang for her seems sus af.

I will try it eventually though

[chilly bolt]

I think they are about on par with each other

Need to check datafield for that

Nvm it doesn't have laev rossi data

[daring dove]

Yeah, I still think for general all-rounder team dropping Tangtang is a no go. Which in turn makes running Leavatain a no-go. I can see Leavatain team doing better is sustained boss fights though.

That said not everyone has all the options

So for some running Leavatain maybe a great idea.

Everyone posing for the camera & Perlica's like "I want no part in this bs".

Is Pogs P5 worth having taking his combo skillo CD from 17 seconds to 15 seconds? Or does his combo skill not contribute much?

The extra 1.2x SP recovery seems good as well.

[bronze plume]

Short awnser: pots are never worth it
Long awnser: some whale tcer does that change whatever rot that pog would be in

[sterile moat]

usually people never even bother to tc whale long rotations

[outer parcel]

best build for pog in terms of endmin carry

[drifting quest]

SM if you need stagger
HW else

Thermite always

[outer parcel]

well im running a full physical build and have run full sm on endmin and chen idk for lifeng what to build aswell

and btw what is thermite

[swift onyx]

Thermite cutter
A peak of a sword that basicaly every vg uses

[drifting quest]

All 4 units on monophys can run sm or an alternative(s)

If you need stagger you flex onto sm

[teal pawn]

now the other two gears

[bronze plume]

Let make cc fuck over whales make a risk that removes the pots abilities do it

[limpid wyvern]

dont forget to farm zhuang essence if you wanna build her 🙂

[teal pawn]

I don't remember OG CC doing that

[bronze plume]

Not shockingly they dont need to do a 1:1

Realistically i doubt a risk loke that woukd happen

[swift onyx]

It wouldnt no

It will probably just habe to do eith hp or atk stats
Buffs ti enemy abilities, or resistances and stuff like thag

[neon cave]

probably "cannot use guards/strikers" and "cannot use supports and defenders" tags too

[teal pawn]

I do wonder how they'll translate CC to a game like this

oh yeah that

[drifting quest]

guard striker ban would be brutal

no one ever picks that tag

you're left with like

[neon cave]

well probably not that combination maybe lol

[drifting quest]

exactly tt hyper

[swift onyx]

Pog dps copers rejoice

[drifting quest]

pog dps with nothing to enable it

real and true

[ashen scroll]

i just hope they dont give enemy solidification debuff

[teal pawn]

DPS Wulfgard

No auto SP regen

Which they already do tbh

[leaden mantle]

rossi's sig, do you only get its benefits if you have her as the controlled operator?

[swift onyx]

No

[uncut schooner]

Where can contact you?

[teal pawn]

honestly this just feels like a Yvonne Last Rite situation

[drifting quest]

not quite the same

[hardy rose]

Main dps perlica

Put oblivion to good use

[abstract fractal]

is it safe to assume that one of three teased operators is a vanguard since cc is coming

[leaden mantle]

do you think a dual carry team between her and fangyi would work? or do ya need gilberta for that xd

[hardy rose]

It would work. But you'd get lower dmg from both. Since perlica isn't buffing. And you can't rlly rely on electrification cause fangyi needs to consume it.

Actually, you could wait till the timer is almost up them consume it

So yh you'd need smth to make up for the loss in buffing power

Wild wanderer would allow perly to contribute more dmg and still do some buffing

[leaden mantle]

what about ardelia?

considering you're consuming it the inflection/electrification (I think), wouldn't it just directly activate the cs? the team would be very sp negative though

[teal pawn]

Is the crit increase from Rossi's combo just for C2

Oh wait burn consume is only for vuln

[drifting quest]

15s

[teal pawn]

I guess that can be skipped

I might try it, my Surtr has been benched for a while...

[drifting quest]

its just the typical wheelchair comps

[leaden mantle]

how strong is ember's shield/healing?

in terms of taking major hits?

[drifting quest]

its like fine but its a worse version of the dodge key

[neon cave]

with a healing weapon and lynx gear, one skill usually puts my op back to full hp

[leaden mantle]

also with wolfgurd talent does the p2 add an additional 10 sp making it equal 20?

[hardy rose]

you'd need a vanguard

also depends on if fangyi's skills interupt her ba sequence

[noble tapir]

Between rossi and ZFY, I think it's probably time I actually build my perlica lol

[hardy rose]

if not, then u can comfortable queue another final strike after the bs

[leaden mantle]

who's the best one atm? in terms in the one who gives the most sp?

[hardy rose]

ik rossi's skills don't interupt her basic chain

[hardy rose]

well, in one instance it's akekuri I believe. but that won't help the team being envisioned rn

u need sp over time, so

i'm not too sure

[leaden mantle]

arclight? or does she just interfere (because of consumation of electrification)? Yeah, basically you're a sitting duck.

[hardy rose]

@drifting quest which vanguard gives the most sp over a period of time?

[drifting quest]

its all conditional

[hardy rose]

do we know or is it a more case by case thing depending on the team

i c

[hardy rose]

yh. u can't use arclight's battle skill

anti synergy with fangyi

they used alesh in the demo

though I don't know what his bs does

[warped idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541760801968128/1492862876828962836/arclight.gif

[warped idol]

they basically just used Alesh for cryo infliction (and maybe rare fin I dont remember)

which is a weird choice because they followed it up with Arclight's ult. which wouldve given a free electricfication anyway. maybe they wanted to showcase electric lv2

[hardy rose]

The cs yh

[warped idol]

bs useless in zfy team

hes basically a sp generator then with cryo infliction on ult

[dusk isle]

aleshlover25

[leaden mantle]

I'm tempted to get rossi for a team i plan on building, its just probably take a lot of resources to even build that team, and then it turns to be unviable and then all that time you spend on grinding up that team just goes down the drain

since I don't even have the other two leveled

or one of their weapons

[ocean turret]

oh thats easy, fluo, wulf, ardelia

[leaden mantle]

idk, maybe i'm just gradually losing interest in playing this game...

since I mainly just talk here

[ocean turret]

just wait till cc comes, you can play that all day

[leaden mantle]

eh I'm feel like i'm gonna struggle with it due to my skill issue xd

[ocean turret]

atleast you have something to do other than wait right?

[leaden mantle]

I have enough for one spark. And tbh, unless if I sweat on exploring every nook and cranny of this game, then maybe I can get enough for fangyi and her sig. the other 3 don’t interest me. But knowing most gacha game devs, mi fu is probably going her best support. Do you think there’s enough time to get both Rossi sig and fangyi + sig?

[ocean turret]

maybe not i think

but thats just me

you can still pull fangyi at the end of 1.2 maybe you can decided there

[leaden mantle]

Yeah. Knowing this game, I’ll probably just hit full pity on the weapon…

Maybe I just might try the Perlica comp. and maybe wait for gilberta. And just get fangyi. I really hope that the Gilberta rerun has a rate up selector, but I doubt that with every fiber of my being

[willow blade]

the new character's sig is Will Atk Suppression right?

[leaden mantle]

Like the Rossi team I wanna make has like kind of themes that give me a sort of vibe to it, and it would be kinda funny to see how they cooperate in the two operator stages.

[ocean turret]

you dontlike phys rossi?

[leaden mantle]

No I’m still going to use her, but she isn’t going to be the controlled operator

[ocean turret]

[noble tapir]

MiFu will be the vuln payoff unit Rossi needs

[leaden mantle]

I was going run her with dps ember.

[ocean turret]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jashinchan-jashinchan-dropkick

eyy emberrr

is your team ember, rossi, ake, endmin?

[leaden mantle]

No. Was planning on using pog and wulfgurd

[ocean turret]

fair enough

[leaden mantle]

But I want pogs weapon to boost his dmg output. So yeah, so you see my dilemma?

[ocean turret]

pog that does dmg too?

[leaden mantle]

Yeah. Was gonna use him as a sub dps. ik this team is a meme. I don’t have levels invested into them. It’s just wulf who actually has some investment, but I’ll probably use him as a inflection bot or something for Rossi to trigger her cs

[ocean turret]

i got you you have 3 options:

1. yinlung combo dmg set
2. frontier phys dmg set
3. linx slab set

im not sure which is better tho🥀

[sturdy hill]

2 slab trust me bro

[sterile moat]

I remember theres a creator with dps pog

[ocean turret]

the multipliers looks fine tho, he has more dmg multiplier than dapan crush

[sterile moat]

https://youtu.be/5n_Xg4lrxMI?si=OT3vnV6RVTPqOKnM

[leaden mantle]

Idk, I’ll probably just not do this. Like I don’t think I have the willpower for this. Like I’m probably going to have full pity for all three of their weapons. Like with laeva and almost LR. (Which I kinda dropped playing)

[noble tapir]

@edgy elk IT IS DONE

[ocean turret]

when did you start playing?

[umbral galleon]

[leaden mantle]

At launch.

[ocean turret]

and you got tired because?

[noble tapir]

I realized I didn't actually finish leveling Xaihi bs, WOOPS

[leaden mantle]

I feel like I’m wasting my time. And yet I get drawn in.

Honestly, I was mainly here for the story, (and tbh, there’s other things I kinda want to do besides playing this) and I don’t know if I can hold up hope for it to get better.

I think I’m just tired of gacha in general. And the fact that I just don’t like grinding (because i could be doing something else, and I’m feeling like I am wasting days). Like I wanted to play this because I could feel part of this community, since I dropped the og AK story due to its writing style.

And yet my mind is already of thinking of playing another gacha. (Because of the vibes it has, and honestly the story is probably gonna be crap anyway, but I like the interactions it has) I mean, I quit all my past ones. And I don’t do dailies for them. I think I just don’t find exploration that fun.

Since my damn mind just views the world as source of currency, to being pressured to get all of it before the banner ends. It’s basically your typical collect chests and oculi for all these games with some small changes.

Sorry for long rant. Kinda needed to blow off steam. (Yeah, ik this is unrelated to tc, sorry again)

[ocean turret]

yeah thats telling me you have so much freetime in your hands. you can just open endfield twice(morning and evening) for dailies. and go play other games.

its not bad playing other games

[teal pawn]

^

[drifting quest]

if you dont enjoy something simply do not do it

[teal pawn]

I open once a day

do dailies and stocks

[drifting quest]

assuming its something you have the option not to do, of course

[teal pawn]

I even ignore my valley 4 stocks atp

[lofty frigate]

some people act like they'll get shot if they quit a gacha game

[noble tapir]

Probably actually doable at p0, I can't imagine that 20 int and 7% crit rate makes a huge difference, and the combo skill damage increase from p1 is pretty minimal too. But P2 is what I have so P2 is what I used lol

[ocean turret]

i understand the 1.0story seems underwhelming but, its a factory with a teensy bit of gacha in a game so yeah. most people tend to focus more on factory than exploring

like i do it took me a month optimizing factory when 1.1 started. ignore every chest in wuling cause its not important to me. maybe it all comes down to priorities

then after finishing, my factory, i just get atleast 2 or 3 chest a day. theres no need to rush

[ocean turret]

wtf? you swapped to yvonne to get xaihi's cs faster?

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[noble tapir]

You could just sit on yvonne if that's all you wanted, cause I used her bs right before xaihi ult

[ocean turret]

what im saying is u need 2 fs to get xiahi cs right? so u swapped yvonne and fs to get xaihi's cs faster ididnt know we can do that

[noble tapir]

Yvonne ult auto-swaps to her, too

Also you're still gated by tt cs

[teal pawn]

I'd say it's more just sunk cost fallacy

Not money of course, just the effort they put in the game

[leaden mantle]

Ok thanks for the advice. I think I’ll just focus on the story when it comes out, and maybe just save for a future cope unit

[ocean turret]

nahhhh, join us to the factory rabbit hole

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[leaden mantle]

Yeah. Not really for me. But glad you’re enjoying it.

[ocean turret]

thats kinda sad. thats like enjoying only half of the game. but its already expected before.

[sturdy hill]

+AI from different armor with will main stat
or
+agility second stat and bs dmg bonus

[honest hill]

interesting build

[noble tapir]

this is a cook lol

[knotty yoke]

Which perlica skills will probably need to be upgraded for fangyi team? I’m thinking combo, battle, and ultimate?

[echo cove]

why no set bonus?

[sturdy hill]

because why not

[icy remnant]

That’s a diabolical way of looking at things
Just saw the ping so I’m replying now lol

Just cus you buy the BP doesn’t mean you suddenly have no reason to care for Arsenal tickets

Getting p5 BP and skipping sigs is perfectly fine and honestly probably the way to go about it if you want to be conservative

Even p0 Glorious memory isn’t that huge of a difference from Sig either

[west viper]

but it is?

like 20% almost

[icy remnant]

20% is personal dps

Team dps wise it’s not that much

87% team dps with p0 weapon

[west viper]

idk id rather buy pulls not bp if im paying imo

[icy remnant]

And you can easily get p1 just by waiting like 3 more days

To get the new BP

[drifting quest]

13% team dps loss is pretty brutal

but also sounds higher than expected

[icy remnant]

Brutal in what sense

[drifting quest]

assuming this is rossi

[icy remnant]

Huh

[drifting quest]

or lower

only 13% loss from lupine to p0 memory

it should be higher

[west viper]

like unless you're gambling and pulled a character early you can always get the sig on a char you want if you plan accordingly

[icy remnant]

13% dps down from the signature weapon in a gacha game from a free weapon

Is unheard of

[drifting quest]

team dps?

no?

[icy remnant]

Yes

[drifting quest]

you might be misinterpreting personal losses in other gacha with team loss here

[icy remnant]

Nah man if you’re missing Raiden sig in Rational you miss a lot

Or even her p2 but let’s not talk about that

[drifting quest]

the gaps are pretty consistent with other gacha

at least as far as I have ever tc'd

i cant comment about things like current wuwa or genshin or hsr

[icy remnant]

I disagree free options in most gacha games are mostly trash compared to sigs

Especially for main dps

At least in those I’ve played

[drifting quest]

you're entitled to your own opinion of course

[west viper]

i dont see a reason to skip signature in this game for a dps

unless as i said you got lucky and didnt plan to get the character in the first place

and got early on random pulls

[drifting quest]

some sigs are less desired

[icy remnant]

If you have p5 BP weapon and the gap is 6% team dps

What are you really gaining

By dumping 16k Arsenal tickets

[drifting quest]

me when we stop considering one team and one rotation and suddenly a weapon gap drops from the most idealised scenario

[icy remnant]

Honestly I also value sigs a lot less in general

[drifting quest]

rossi is the perfect example

whats the team gap for phys rossi

or when you dont stack gm

[icy remnant]

I don’t care about the normal 10% dps loss either since investment diff betw p5 sig and average pulls for a sig weapon is huge

But Rossis BP weapon is just better than the other BP weapons

So she’s a stand out amongst em

[sterile moat]

I only ever see gap calculations on arts comp

[icy remnant]

The Phys Rossi team doesn’t actually exist does it

[drifting quest]

yeah tc is so skewed to arts rossi

its the easiest to tc

so most people just did arts rossi and called it a day

[icy remnant]

I mean it kinda feels like a worse LiFeng if we want to focus on Phys

At best she’s just hybrid

[drifting quest]

what

[icy remnant]

The Norma Rossi team with Crush

I consider that hybrid

[drifting quest]

there's hybrid and phys rossi

both can crush

(or breach)

[sterile moat]

I mean, i guess she needs an inflictor

[drifting quest]

important to not confuse phys rossi with mono phys

[icy remnant]

The Wulfgard team combo spam team?

[drifting quest]

i had assumed that were obvious but i forget where i am sometimes

[icy remnant]

Did that ever take off

[icy remnant]

No I just straight up don’t think Phys focused Rossi in her combo skill is good

[drifting quest]

as always you are entitled to your own opinion

[icy remnant]

I mean if you wanna cope and build GM and play around that

It’s gonna be a bad weapon ofc

You’re probably better off using Sundering or smth

[drifting quest]

????

[west viper]

i mean what are you doing with your arsenals if you;re not pulling sig :D

[sterile moat]

Hmm the phys rossi comp is rossi endmin chen akekuri

[icy remnant]

That’s Hybrid to me

As I mentioned above

[drifting quest]

one of them yeah

more preferred ult start one for most

[sterile moat]

Nah its better even for 0 ult imo

[drifting quest]

non ult start biases wulf

because of how delayed ake ult is there and how much more expensive she is on sp

[icy remnant]

Anyways half the team isn’t even Phys so calling it Phys is just weird but sure
To me it’s hybrid

[sterile moat]

Its doable actually with full uge on her

[drifting quest]

full uge gear is still some several rots

[drifting quest]

75% of the team is physical

[sterile patrol]

do you guys pronounce uge U-G-E or huge without the h kinda like yuge

[drifting quest]

former because im normal

[sterile moat]

Former

[sterile moat]

Its like 2 more skills + ake cs i guess

I forgot 1 or 2 more skills

[drifting quest]

where is the other half your ult bar coming from

2 skill 1 combo is 23 energy
overshoot that as 250% uge

thats like 58 energy

you still need another 50 or so

6s1c

[sterile moat]

chen bs + akekuri bs
chen cs > rossi cs 1 > endmin cs > enmin bs > rossi cs 2
rossi bs > chen cs > endmin cs > endmin crush
chen bs > akekuri bs > rossi cs x2 >
chen ult + rossi ult

Thats the fast rota

[drifting quest]

and thats with more uge than you get

[sterile moat]

You just extend a bit more to 3rd crush

And ake cs

To get it to full

[drifting quest]

its just worse than wulf rots

super delayed to get any value out of ake, reliant on stagger for combo skill to even get said value

[sterile moat]

Needing to stagger is the copium part

[quasi quarry]

shuo for someone who wants to play phys but has neither pog or lifeng who has more priority? it should be lifeng right? since with less vuln stack generation pog doesn't work as smoothly

[drifting quest]

it should be (per at least what ive seen) less dpr too due to weaker combo skills

esp on lifeng or pog variants

[drifting quest]

pog

[chilly bolt]

True I've noticed ake doesn't really do much with 0 ult

[icy remnant]

If you don’t have Pog you’re not playing Phys

[drifting quest]

lifeng is replacable even if it makes the team a decent chunk worse

[quasi quarry]

very insightful answer thanks

[sterile moat]

Pog auto loses just because chen ult is better imo

[drifting quest]

its pog over endmin usually