theorycrafting

[drifting berry]

haven't seen what it is, hope 🙏

another 5 days

[lyric latch]

long week

[drifting berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1376852041904816188/1490378005657419786/joanne_throw.gif

[feral fractal]

yo can yall help me with rotations

[formal copper]

Alright as layman I'm trying to understand this from iana's sheet, why is he worse than Endmin or Da Pan (for Rossi)? SP recovery, thermite carrier, talent 2, more stagger generation, breach helps obviously... is it really just personal damage lacking and that's overshadowing everything else?

[feral fractal]

dont question the wulfgard dps. i need a good rotation during ult gain phase cus idk wtf to do during that time

[swift onyx]

Sp and thermite are both handled by like akekuri
Stagger is fine without him
Talent2 is fine but not as big as akekuri link
Breach doesnt do a lot since most of rossi dmg is heat

[ocean turret]

breach rossi

[swift onyx]

Damn, almost a 4th of arts rossi

:noway:

[ocean turret]

i didnt use more dmg to stagger

[formal copper]

Yeah but there's no Akekuri in this specific case.

Pog is just competing against Endmin and Da Pan for the slot that's it

[swift onyx]

Well i didnt look into ianas
I dont even use a vuln consumer at all

[formal copper]

Understandable

[echo cove]

thermite carrier is kinda w/e cos repute endmin give a similar amount of atk when crushing 4 stack.
sp recovery is not needed if ur team doesn't use that much bs (this is a rot issue), also endmin can also recover sp with crush or ult with p1
talent 2 is useless without phy dps (which doesn't exist in rossi art team)
does pog actually give more stagger? cos stagger from AI is only for lift & knockdown.
breach only help phy dps which don't exist in rossi art team

his personal dmg is lacking and his buff doesn't support art rossi. that's it really.

p2 endmin also give atk%

i haven't looked into iana's rot, but this alone should answer why pog is just a bad match for rossi

[outer ermine]

prob time to stop inting shatter and bench alesh for gil

[midnight stirrup]

Hes locking tf in

[tight haven]

he really does not do a goddamn thing that ake doesnt

[formal copper]

• Endmin returns SP with the BS only and oftentimes he's just consuming the crystals with the ult between Rossi's combo sequences so it's hard to rely on it
• Pog's talent 2? It buffs Rossi with stacks of fervent morale, 8% atk each stack, you can easily stack up 2 with Rossi's seq 2 of combo skill and battle skill before using the ults.
• Pog's 4 stacks consumed combo skill does 15 stagger compared to Endmin's 10. Plus the nature of having more SP means you use more skills for more stagger.

So yeah he gives more atk% than Endmin, buffs a bit of the physical kit Rossi has, so yeah the only reasoning I see is Endmin brings more personal damage to overshadow this in a quick 1 rotation nuke.

[tight haven]

except for making overworld farming smoother since a built rossi can breathe on an overworld mob and they'll explode

the breach may end up mattering more in much much longer rotations as building for rossi's cskill provides better overall sustained dps in a long enough timeline but those timelines iirc are 5+ minutes long and no content will survive long enough for this to be relevant

i personally think both endmin and pog are just kinda worse for rossi over other ops, though they're both fine and not meaningfully worse than other options such as antal/perl/wulf/ake

[formal copper]

Yeah I agree the current options are not good enough so we just go full arts focus and ignore the vulnerability.

[drifting quest]

Pog rossi is just less damage for redundant comfort

On hybrid rossi

If flips for phys rossi

At least for chen variants

Lifeng ones prob bias crusher still

[ocean turret]

here no ult rotation

yall just doing theoretical work here

[peak void]

cant even get ult

[ocean turret]

no ult needed

literal no ult rot

[sterile moat]

I should go record the chen version

[peak void]

can things not die too fast

PLEASE

[ocean turret]

ill use lvl 1 weapons if you want with good ult rotation

[sterile moat]

Oh yea i can just take out essence on rossi weap

[peak void]

no im going to write a formal complaint to hypergryph about the low difficulty of their "endgame"

[ocean turret]

nah the attk stat still high

[sterile moat]

Since timing the ults to her weapon buff is a huge part of her dmg

[ocean turret]

but we're here to test extended rotations

[sterile moat]

Need to have her sig weap on for realistic rotations

[ocean turret]

not dmg

[tight haven]

they slapped a ton of hidden ult gen on her and uh yeah

her ult gen is still pretty poor

[sterile moat]

Whats the point of extended rotations if you dont lineup realistic buffs window

Lol

[ocean turret]

[sterile moat]

Missing dmg for no reason

[ocean turret]

oh right the buffs

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

what if remove only rossi essence then the rest use lvl 1weapon?

my ake uses fortmaker

[sterile moat]

Like for example in the tang rossi rotation, its impossible to lineup tang ult

[ocean turret]

the uge is too valuable

[sterile moat]

Doing so would not be worth it without sacrificing dmg for no reason

At best you can lineup for perlica

[ocean turret]

any suggestions?

[sterile moat]

Need to test rotations with sig weap on

I wouldnt trust any rotas that dont take it into account

[ocean turret]

what about other ops?

dang nvm

weapon buffs have durations too

we need dupes

[manic blade]

any rots changes?

[sterile moat]

Its all individual team comp by team comp basis

If the comp cant lineup properly within 1st window then its kinda a bad comp or rotation / gear choice

[ocean turret]

[ocean turret]

does lack of sp part of it or nah?

[sterile moat]

you do have to take sp into account

and find a balance

sometimes the character's ult req is just too high

[ocean turret]

the redbull would be the best way to do rotations because of his def buff

the problem is his heat mechanics

[sterile moat]

nah the agony rock works

[ocean turret]

okee

[sterile moat]

time to see how i can optimise this first

[daring dove]

Any news on 1.2 livestream yet?

[drifting berry]

Check twitter updates channel

11/4

[ocean turret]

optimize? to rotation?

[drifting berry]

#twitterfeed i mean

[drifting quest]

5d gap from devlog to patch

is funny

[sterile moat]

rotation and gear setup

[drifting berry]

Worried that 1.2 banners might be stacked

[rapid heron]

i just recorded roation for this team for a video about to upload can send you the link after

[ocean turret]

you already know the rot right?

[sterile moat]

yea

[ocean turret]

okee

i can only see 3 stack crush for good dmg to sp return

[sterile moat]

so many people sleeping on this comp

[sterile moat]

sure

[daring dove]

Yeah about midday on Saturday I’ll take that.

[ocean turret]

im glad to see someone making ardelia useable

[daring dove]

Best I could get clear time with Endmin buff weapon was about 25 seconds. But that was replacing Perlica & keep Gilberta & Tangtang in the team.

Didn’t feel as comfy as with Perlica though so I stopped using it.

Still pretty good if you lack Gilberta & Tangtang I guess.

[sterile moat]

yea it doesnt feel as good as gil tang

a lot more down time spent normal attacking

[ocean turret]

ardelia this team needs timing to make it work. i cant smash combo skills instantly on this team or else ill run out of sp just to keep up with the buffs

or else dapan will better for this comp than endmin

[daring dove]

That’s the problem with every Ardelia team that doesn’t just trigger corrosion naturally. Only team she works well with is Leavatain team as you can easily remove all heat stacks at the press of the button.

[ocean turret]

chen the best rotation i did is to make sure i have 3 sp ready. use all 3(chen,rossi,ake) then chen bs, rossi 1st cs, endmin cs, endmin 3 stack crush before rossi 2nd seq cs. so that ill have 2 stack of vuln ready for the next rotation. if i dont save 3sp before rotation, rossi will consume the originium every time

[sterile moat]

this rotation is like somewhat technical lmao

i keep messing up the order

[daring dove]

Yeah a lot of rotations in this game tend not to throw naturally. There’s only 2-3 good teams that do.

[sterile moat]

ah shit i mess up again

the opening window is so tight

the rossi cs 1 > endmin cs > crush > rossi cs 2

[ocean turret]

yeah im having a hard time doing that too, so in some cases i only get 1 vuln instead of 2. but yes its possible to do that

lemme try it too

rodhagn is the best to do rotations of that

i hate solid rock sometimes, if i do rossi cs, and im infront of its shield, it eats my inflictions

[rapid heron]

@sterile moat https://youtu.be/kjV5pM1_PaM

your team is 5:12

[sterile moat]

nah the opening rotation is cooked already

[rapid heron]

im not running Swordmancer so everyone can get rotation on time

[sterile moat]

theres a better opener

[rapid heron]

u have video for it?

[sterile moat]

trying to practice it

[rapid heron]

how easy the rotation it is for looping though

[ocean turret]

w8 i got the vid, just a moment

[rapid heron]

for the fight that isnt 1 shot or starting with Ult

[sterile moat]

freaking difficult to loop

yea its 0 ult

you need to actually think about the rotation

[rapid heron]

what your rotation concept?

[main nova]

unoptimized account

[ocean turret]

i shouldve used rossi bs on 2nd rot and forgot to use my endmin cs before crush

[rapid heron]

too much down time at the start without rossi copmbo buff i think

[ocean turret]

[drifting berry]

Hopeing we get Endmin P3 next patch 🙏

[sterile moat]

chen bs + akekuri bs
chen cs > rossi cs 1 > endmin cs > enmin bs > rossi cs 2
rossi bs > chen cs > endmin cs > endmin crush
chen bs > akekuri bs > rossi cs x2
chen ult + rossi ult

really need perfect play and execution lol

[ocean turret]

which boss?

[sterile moat]

i am testing on agony rock

[ocean turret]

i hope it doesnt eat your inflictions

[sterile moat]

this is way higher dmg than pog for sure

but holy shit the execution is difficult since its non repeating and you need to track 3 cooldowns

and the delay between endmin cs landing crystal and the bs crush refund

i think because my endmin cs is lvl1 lel

only 3 sec timer

[daring dove]

Yeah Endmin buff weapon is really good on Rossi team.

[sterile moat]

for sure

let me try to record a good run

gonna take a million retakes

[ocean turret]

dang using frontier on ake is a bad idea rn. im lacking uge

i did it i think

[sterile moat]

something like this

rossi weap buff dropped off here but eh

[rapid heron]

You are crushing with 2 stack though

[sterile moat]

doesnt matter, its for the sp recovery economy and rotation setup

[rapid heron]

Don't think it worth 100 p cost

[ocean turret]

welll

i got stagger ult, lemme send

i hope i can send it

welp i cant, use compressor

sadly i forgot to click my ake ult

i have to use endmin crush just to get my ult up

what do u think?

[chilly bolt]

Im thinking

Miku miku oo ee oo

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[sterile moat]

hmm i need to do a proper run and compare rotation timing

[ocean turret]

good luck with that

endmin dmg is too strong i need to replace ai kit to phys dmg kit

[sterile moat]

yea looks accurate

but i guess you didnt exactly optimised the cd properly

[ocean turret]

crit dmg? or cooldown?

[sterile moat]

cooldown

chen should be on cd when possible

crushing at 2 makes the later rotations less awkward imo

[ocean turret]

well as you can see, if i didnt crush at 2, ill lack sp to do the rotation that i did

[sterile moat]

yea it setups the sp economy nicely

[ocean turret]

i only did 3 rotations
crush at 2
crush at 4
crush at 4
the last crush is so essential that without it wont be able to use rossi ult

i really need to max my gloves

[sterile moat]

i have rossi p4 so i dont even need the 3rd crush

[ocean turret]

oh

[teal pawn]

whels

[ocean turret]

then you can do 2 crush only to get ult then good luck with that

[sterile moat]

i missed the first crush sp lol

just fast forward to the last minute

why am i bringing ake again if i am not using ult lel

[ocean turret]

you got flabbergasted too hard

[outer ermine]

still dont have enuf uge

the delay was in fact a sadge thing

[sterile moat]

is there even such a thing as a free arts inflict

would be funny if i brought tangtang instead of ake

[midnight stirrup]

What the fuck

[sterile moat]

oh going for the 22s run

[outer ermine]

im learning it atleast for the tech

still need +1 on armor w gil and max artif on seal w rossi

should beeee enuf

[ocean turret]

dang that free heat inflict to make corrosion

[daring dove]

Finally managed to push Rossi past 6K ATK without slab.

[swift onyx]

Wide ass screen

[outer ermine]

yea almost there, need like 258 uge on gil

gib me crowns striker

[daring dove]

[outer ermine]

or maybe i should wait out wolves hmm nope not enuf

[daring dove]

Ok Rossi is fully AGL artificed now, just a few INT pips left which is is massively into diminishing returns land.

[ocean turret]

huh i realized i dont need ard cs

[fossil pendant]

I think

full secondary stat artifice was like 1.6% gain lol

i'd have to check my sheet again

I just stopped doing them it's not worth it to me

not when I have a bunch of chars that still need main stats artificed

[daring dove]

It's worth going to 2 pips then you stop in my experience especially on the Chest & Gloves.

[fossil pendant]

inshallah 1.2 raises weekly artifice mat cap again

[daring dove]

1 pip on the chest upgrade is nearly as good as one AGL pip on off-piece.

Even for a sub stat.

An you can upgrade to 2 pips with good chance of success.

[midnight stirrup]

How do u not have crowns

I have like 150 or so

[outer ermine]

striker how lucky r u on artif i swear u have everyone raised

i have 0

blame shatter

i have every single cryo mfs built now even the fake ones

[midnight stirrup]

U should still have leftover

Ur a whale

[daring dove]

I just barely do support artificing, only support that's artificed in Gilberta with Ult gain.

[outer ermine]

if i can refund my ard ult and gil ult

[midnight stirrup]

Man fuck artificing

This shit worse than artifacts

I changed my mind

[fossil pendant]

hell nah

[outer ermine]

never played any mhy i wouldnt know

[fossil pendant]

at least i'm guaranteed success and there's no such thing as a low roll

[midnight stirrup]

Idc this shit feels ass

Hella timegate

[fossil pendant]

full artifice is like 3 weeks of mats, that's like 4x faster than I've ever gotten a high cv set in a random substat line game

[outer ermine]

just onetap

[fossil pendant]

I onetap the artifices all the time

essences though

🙂

[midnight stirrup]

Just one tap he says

[outer ermine]

naw im lucky today i finished most of rossi uge and just need 1 more for gil

i blame the mf that 63ked my delivery

[midnight stirrup]

Uge Rossi

[fossil pendant]

that's why I don't transfer mine

[midnight stirrup]

[fossil pendant]

never trust others

[midnight stirrup]

I should lowkey start looking into mult rots uge builds

But ugh

[fossil pendant]

I'll do that when they give us anything that takes multiple rots

[midnight stirrup]

Kinda falling out of love with this game ngl

Hoping next patch is good

This one was pretty underwhelming outside of Rossi

[outer ermine]

hand ur acc over so i can test shit its gonna be m*le acc w all phy

[midnight stirrup]

Why do u need my account to test shit

U got everything I have

[outer ermine]

u got 150 crowns

[midnight stirrup]

Oh true

[small pulsar]

Does anyone know if Wulfgard's ulti applies that arts damage from Clannibal since it just applies combust without technically consuming arts?

[fossil pendant]

how can one run out of crowns in this game so far 😭

[midnight stirrup]

Hifumi whale 20 pulls for me so I can get to my soft pity ty

[fossil pendant]

you need to use the enhanced battle skill

[small pulsar]

Ah I see

[fossil pendant]

yea that's why it sucks most of the time

don't usually have 100 extra sp to throw around

[small pulsar]

Yeah I was just curious if that was any good for him in the Rossi team but it seems like itd be kind of hard to fit that in

[outer ermine]

r u almost p5 if u win u whel

[drifting quest]

you can fit clanni in

its still ehhh

[midnight stirrup]

Naur

Itll be for p4

[drifting quest]

varies a lot per team and intention

[midnight stirrup]

Im 130 away from guarantee p5 if I win

[small pulsar]

Im doing the hybrid team with her so its Rossi Endmin Wulfgard and Gilberta

mostly focusing on Rossi ulti but keeping sustained damage with endmin crush

[drifting quest]

you can fit clanni in on that team

[small pulsar]

Ah good good im not wasting resources then lmao

[abstract fractal]

Ardelia with arts intensity is a monster

Rossi is level 80 so it might kill if i level her up

[daring dove]

Think I'm just about hitting this dude hard enough now, but still need to seem to wait for Tangtang's pool explosion for the final hit.

[abstract fractal]

are you using food buffs here?

[daring dove]

Nope not my style to use food buffs.

[abstract fractal]

the highest i got on Rossi's last hit is 640k lmao

[drifting quest]

potential difference

[daring dove]

I reckon I could maybe go past 1 million if I really wanted to food buff & bring Ardelia but not what I'm going for rn.

[echo cove]

Is rossi the highest st dps now?

[daring dove]

It's her or Yvonne, Rossi is a ton easier to use & has far less issues though.

[echo cove]

[drifting quest]

depends on assumptions

[echo cove]

Naruhodo

[drifting quest]

as always

[outer ermine]

endmin

[glass birch]

Another hacked account

[echo cove]

#do-not-post-or-get-beaned

[daring dove]

I wish there was a way to find 3% more damage without foodbuffs or sacrificing my 93% CR on Rossi. https://streamable.com/mgl3qn

[sterile moat]

hmm i got a perfect run but even with max uge on akekuri, it doesnt make sense to run her in 0 ult rotations

[daring dove]

Finnally got it

Deleted this clown before even needing Tangtang's ult explosion.

[ocean turret]

[brave basin]

Is it even possible to do funny Rossi phase skip stuff p0 gilless

Feels like a really big gap

[warped idol]

almost

[daring dove]

Without Gilberta & some crazy luck likely not.

[brave basin]

Rip

[sterile moat]

Yea its doable

[outer ermine]

@edgy elk

its criminal i was on range w that roar ngl

[brave basin]

Arts focus or with multi dps?

[sterile moat]

Multi dps for sure

[outer ermine]

my shatter is so slow tho missed my rossi burst

guess cast later im waiting on endmin bs anyway

need good fish for a faster run

[daring dove]

Ok so close to 20 second clear now without food buffs with a none crit fish build. Think I have pretty much gotten everything I can out of this rotation at this point.

Managed to hit 750k+ on Rossi as well for some reason this run.

Anyone else think they can improve on this because I can't see any way to save time further without drasttically cutting damage. https://streamable.com/evcgku

[outer ermine]

okay i cant stagger w/o rossi ult blowing first, endmin has to kill

[outer ermine]

smh striker too much ults

[fluid wren]

hi may i ask a rotation for this team?

[warped idol]

rossi bs > akekuri bs > rossi combo > endmin combo > final strike > perlica combo > rossi bs > Perlica ult > akekuri ult> Rossi ult > endmin bs

[fluid wren]

i'll note this. thank you!!!

[fluid wren]

may i ask what is bs 😅

[drifting quest]

battle skill

[fluid wren]

ahh okay, thankss!!

[daring dove]

I could cut ults if I used food buffs & crit fished but kind of want a real world rotation.

I mean to some extent Rossi is always crit fishing

Since she's only 93% CR, but that's consistent enough in my books.

[thorn shore]

misses ult crit

cries in a corner

93% would be cool if her damage wasnt so concentrated

[daring dove]

93% is the highest you can get without equipping gear that isn't meant for her & required P2 as well.

100% CR Rossi isn't really a thing sadly.

[thorn shore]

i know

93% being max just sucks

[daring dove]

My personal threshold I'm happy with is anything over 90% really I don't mind resetting a fight if I get screwed by 10% occasionally.

[runic harness]

I saw in an infographic that suggested slab tangtang on p1, does that apply for Rossi hyper arts aswell?

[normal tangle]

huh how does perlica combo trigger rossi combo

[daring dove]

Slab on Tangtang makes a lot more sense than Slab on Rossi.

Slab on Rossi is just for speed running otherwise you're just griefing yorself.

[runic harness]

I meant tangtang in Rossi team

[daring dove]

Ah

[normal tangle]

i thought rossi cs only triggered upon new application

[runic harness]

They mean the second one where you need to time it

[normal tangle]

oh

i see now

[runic harness]

That if you can time it goes after perly

[daring dove]

I think that's the best all-rounder build on Tangtang.

Since it allows her to clear trash mobs the most effectively.

[runic harness]

but thats p5 tangtang

ult recharge isnt needed anymore

[daring dove]

The pretense is still the same

The higher potential your Tangtang is the more recommended it is to use Slab.

[teal pawn]

Yvonne still gets hit during ult

ts so ass

[daring dove]

I just don't think Slab Tangtang is worth for anything outside of boss killing.

[teal pawn]

Ig one thing she has is like auto tracking

[runic harness]

oh well you think for p1 running the ult eff chest is fine?

the type 50 t1

[daring dove]

Yeah if you feel you're a bit short on ult gain go for it. It's hard to recommend ult gain without knowing someones exact rotation though.

As sometimes you need it other times you don't.

[runic harness]

Yeah tbf I have no idea of my rotation either

[daring dove]

I was hoping to reach 6100 ATK on Rossi but looking at what pips I have left to upgrade I don't think it'll be possible maybe 6060 is about max?

[outer ermine]

actually i have an idea

lemme fish for it

[next helm]

6060 is more satisfying a number anyway

[outer ermine]

80% cr is a fucking lie

[honest hill]

Hifumi do u know how many catalysts to max artifice

[drifting quest]

depends on gear

[edgy crater]

depend on luck

[bronze plume]

3 stat line pieces take like 47 x 3 assuming you have to hit the pity for it each time

it only takes 9 just win each time first try

[outer ermine]

depends on luck

[daring dove]

Sometimes 3 liners are easier to upgrade than 2 liners though, for example Rossi MI gloves are likely easier to effectively max than Redeemer gloves.

Since you get a good chance with all your upgrades.

While with Redeemer you only get an average chance.

[bronze plume]

ok thats cool and all but irrelevant to the max cost which is all i said

[outer ermine]

got 3 kills but didnt like how it look so

[bronze plume]

the power of money

to skip playing the game W

[outer ermine]

theres nothing to play in this game

holy drama on the cn league

[daring dove]

How much crit rate did you have to drop in the end?

[outer ermine]

alot, u need to crit more than half of the 25, need to pass 60% mark and crit on last

had like 5 runs where hes straight up 5% hp

[daring dove]

Guess it saved 3 seconds though.

[honest hill]

roughly how much

like a range

[drifting quest]

150ish as a rough guess

[honest hill]

hm then I have more than enough

[drifting quest]

per piece, sorry

[honest hill]

oh nvm

[outer ermine]

😭

[drifting quest]

wait no

i dont know what i did

[honest hill]

Hifumi do u know

u a whel

[drifting quest]

its like 240 or so max

for 4 pieces

[honest hill]

oh

ye I have enough

[drifting quest]

should be less in practice

like sub 200

my brain isnt braining right now

ok

let me

use a calculator

336

at most

[honest hill]

okay I should have enough

[outer ermine]

my artif luck is actually good so ive only hit the 20/20

[honest hill]

what would be good if u could whel for more catalysts

then

the whels can test gear so easily for new char

[edgy crater]

what da fuck u talk bout

premium catalyst? dats just glorified module block then

[honest hill]

no

wuling catalyst that cost oroberyl

all for whels

[edgy crater]

[honest hill]

it's a smart thing to do

[outer ermine]

id rather be gatekept gib us better arsenal packs instead

[honest hill]

why u like gatekeeping

[teal pawn]

[honest hill]

u didn't kill it

weakkk

[smoky quarry]

Rossi is so ADHD

[honest hill]

and u spent nearly a whole min

[smoky quarry]

I thought lavatein had a lot of VFX

[teal pawn]

im tangtangless

[honest hill]

is ur rossi p0p0

[teal pawn]

P0P1

[honest hill]

P1 sig?

[teal pawn]

Yeah

[outer ermine]

https://vxb23.tv/BV1FdDcBaE7v
quality of this seasons runs was way better ngl

[teal pawn]

😭

[honest hill]

is ur gilb using stanza or delivery

and m1 ult?

[teal pawn]

None, it's OBJ LOL

[honest hill]

ew

[teal pawn]

Unless Perlica can use something else

[honest hill]

what about ur gilb

what she using

[teal pawn]

I said it

OBJ

[honest hill]

what about perli

[teal pawn]

Pretty much the Stanza holder

[honest hill]

what does obj even do

[teal pawn]

I mean it is pretty ok for Rossi

[honest hill]

hm

ig it's okay

[potent hornet]

got my rossi

[warm galleon]

You still can get her 💳

[gritty olive]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/119sxiIymwbF-eA3JLMWDr1MMA3Cqk7cmlfgpe7gQoBA/edit?gid=706701141#gid=706701141

can someone check the base rotation for rossi if the stacks holds

[sterile moat]

You can get enough to ult on akekuri?

[gritty olive]

fortmaker sword

6 skills 1 combo

108/(6.5*6 + 10) = 2.20

[sterile moat]

oh i guess realistically speaking, akekuri works, for some reason i cant get her ult up on rock agony but every other boss is ok

dependent on her getting stagger to get ult in time

[edgy elk]

Put Estella on SM and artifice

[ocean turret]

dont need crusher

[potent hornet]

no artificing or anything yet?

[ocean turret]

only artificed rossi, all are just p0 with uncooked essence and artifice

[fast ledge]

Team for umbral and killing mobs
Since umbral no ulti when enter

[ocean turret]

are you asking or stating?

[bronze plume]

i hope they are asking

[fast ledge]

Is this true wulfgard with sign is the best team?

[drifting quest]

Maybe with specific assumptions

The screenshot explains nothing

It also only has a fraction of the full team comps

Tldr no

[bronze plume]

if im running
rossi, gil, ardelia, insert a vuln user
am i down in the trenches using gilberta bs to proc rossis cs for the arts inflitcion it needs outside of rossi ult

[bronze plume]

id assume its for rossi

[sterile moat]

Based off this vid

https://youtu.be/b3lvCECvFpc?si=WE01J4iU3TKnue9O

[drifting quest]

I know

Rossi has like

A hundred more team comps

[bronze plume]

holy 50 minutes

[drifting quest]

Than that image lists

[bronze plume]

yeah true

that shows 0 tt teams

[ocean turret]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jashinchan-jashinchan-dropkick

[bronze plume]

its so chalked bro her bs takes 5 years to go off

[ocean turret]

use ake

[fast ledge]

There is just watch the video

[sterile moat]

You can animation cancel the wolf part

[bronze plume]

that elimates the whole using a phys consumer

im not here for the 1 second boss dead

[bronze plume]

i would rather not waste my time watching a 50min guide to a character i already know how to use

[ocean turret]

thats my point look at my vid earlier, i cant 1shot boss

[bronze plume]

well thats because you have a skill issue

[drifting quest]

Ok so its 3:30am and I only had a quick skim

But there are some issues

[ocean turret]

but u said youre not here to 1 shot boss?

[drifting quest]

I would take their results with some skepticism but I'd have to take a deeper dive tomorrow when I'm on pc to see if they are resolved elsewhere or not

[ocean turret]

what im saying is you can still do extended rot even if you dont have vuln consumer

[bronze plume]

yeah but the whole not having a phys consumer makes you not be able to use eyjas cs more then once

im not here for that

[drifting quest]

Tldr no its not the best team until you add constaints

[ocean turret]

eyjas?

[drifting quest]

Which is a given

[edgy crater]

ardel

[sterile moat]

I would take it with a huge amount of skepticism since they put the tt gil comp at 92%

[gritty olive]

[ocean turret]

why do u need ardel cs? whats important is her bs right?

[drifting quest]

Yeah

At a glance it looked like they are just going raw on dps

[ocean turret]

then make corrosion from your other ops

[drifting quest]

Ignoring how its a terrible metric to use alone

Might be wrong and it might be normalised or something

Again 4am mobile

But there were some other issues as well I saw

[ocean turret]

expensive? yeah but only do that every 1st and 4th rotation

[bronze plume]

yeah thats call and all but

imma do it my way anyway

me when i have control of how i play

[ocean turret]

use dps pog

endmin im still having a hard time making rotations with him in that team

[bronze plume]

im using dapan or pog wit it

[ocean turret]

dapan works best on your team since its free crush

[bronze plume]

the day i build endmins generic ass is the day i die

grnated this aint the normal team i use any i use tt

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/ugly-plankton-meme-ugly-plankton-ugly-face-plankton-meme-plankton-gif-15836444981074643801

i have 30 pulls left to get another 50:50, ill pull fangyi if it aligns with my already built ops if not, mifu

if not, il just pull for rossi again

p1 is very very nice

[bronze plume]

can we get

a phys consumer thats better for rossi

thank you HG

[ocean turret]

mifu crusher

[bronze plume]

phys/heat mifu true

god it would be so funny

[drifting quest]

I would mald

[dry kindle]

What about defender

[bronze plume]

imagine her battle skill apply heat infliction

[drifting quest]

Thats fine

[dry kindle]

Bet

[bronze plume]

and her ult consuming and doing crush

heat/phys defender mifu

[drifting quest]

Im probably quitting tc anyway but if mifu is 1.2 and rossi shill

Id 100% be quitting

[ocean turret]

ember got powercreep

[bronze plume]

you need power to be powercrept

she just got crept

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[bronze plume]

idk if im doing something wrong but i can do 50% of rhods hp bar with 1 rot

and that for me

is a W

[dry kindle]

Who's ember

[ocean turret]

true

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155849762420047974/1391769723833942188/Minori.gif

[bronze plume]

what if

we get ember in arknights and shes just the next wisadel

[ocean turret]

nahh mifu cant crush if shes defender. she should be a guard. crush bs with combustion cs

[outer ermine]

she is

[edgy elk]

wilt. i guess that's that

endmin max arti sm too?

[outer ermine]

ig i can stagger endmin but

[bronze plume]

combustion and heat infliction cs

[edgy elk]

arent u like, shattering with rossi anyway

[outer ermine]

nope 0 artif borrowed gear bone

[edgy elk]

and if u staggernode rossi'll take the kill

stagger endmin

[ocean turret]

arts unit mifu

[outer ermine]

shes become a support atp

[edgy elk]

gauntlet-shaped arts units
lappland: i cast wolves

[cold bane]

surely mifu will be a fluorite support

[edgy elk]

SM and repute

just rossimax atp

rossi dealt like, what, 70% of the damage anyway

[outer ermine]

cuz endmin has no artif trust she has lrs bone chest atleast

[edgy elk]

"shatter speedruns howling flame" -> looks inside -> rossi showcase + cryo slaves + endmin

[bronze plume]

im so pog maxxing

[outer ermine]

thats why i wanna make endmin do something

[edgy elk]

but but
endmin slow

what, 2 more seconds for crush n finisher

[edgy crater]

endmin ai maxxing?

[edgy elk]

poverty endmin it seems

[bronze plume]

i need

to figure out what frontier pieces i should put on pog for this team

[outer ermine]

time to p5 repute

[edgy elk]

rip wallet

[edgy crater]

pulsar endmin

[bronze plume]

hifumis wallet is endless

its like pandoras box

its a bag of holding

[ocean turret]

use frontier gloves and bonekrusher chest

[edgy elk]

lowkey pulsar endmin might hit the stagger node

does crush do stagger?

[bronze plume]

the new hot works gloves give more atk tho no?

[edgy elk]

oh never mind it doesnt. lol.

[bronze plume]

cuz it has will

[edgy crater]

im sure no, pulsar endmin solely using perlica gearset on endmin

i know hifu already max ai on pulsar

[outer ermine]

im already using perlicas gloves on her

shit only has ai

[edgy crater]

normal

[spring vault]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19d6NvJmyz_THebL8IGe4-OL9qDcVEbr_37dnl7kbG54/edit theres the sheet with the calcs for the video

[ocean turret]

if ureally need more atk, you can just use yinlung

[outer ermine]

maybe i just estella ult tbh

[bronze plume]

i mean theres no harm in more attack its the same amount of ai either way

[outer ermine]

we'll see

need to finish my uge artif first

[ocean turret]

why do u need ai again?

[midnight stirrup]

can someone give me a ss of where it says electrification is amped by arts int

[edgy crater]

time to hit another guaranteed on artif

[bronze plume]

because its ai?

what else he finna use

[edgy crater]

dat one?

[midnight stirrup]

Thats so confusing ngl

[ocean turret]

if you want to increase breach debuff then its fine

[midnight stirrup]

Like how do you know what multiplier debuff u get with what amount of ai

[bronze plume]

actually yeah true breach it dog water

[ocean turret]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jashinchan-jashinchan-dropkick

[bronze plume]

wait you edited the message smh

what frontier glove the all skill dmg bonus one?

[ocean turret]

yehh

[bronze plume]

now the question is

do i use the tt team that is more dmg cuz tt

or this team

it does have ardelia

[midnight stirrup]

If it has ardelia

why is it a question

[bronze plume]

clearly i kick gilberta and use tt

[ocean turret]

frontier for team buff, yinlung for more personal buff for pog dmg

[bronze plume]

pog needs to be able to do dmg in the first place

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727351359875055719/1462333792349061223/b32a4b2aa70051672db624bd9a2ca4dd.gif

[midnight stirrup]

pog and dealing dmg

yeah ight

[edgy crater]

he "can" but pog skill multiplier really bad

[bronze plume]

hes there for 4 things
frontiers
thermite
sp
aura

[ocean turret]

well, pog dmg is spread out cant see big number cause his skills isnt one instance of dmg

[bronze plume]

i think i like using him more then the panda

[midnight stirrup]

ngl pog lost mad aura

having the most damaging looking abilities

and then tickling

[bronze plume]

they are setting up for anni to be pog alter and ardelia alter trust

or just throw the poster girl W out

[midnight stirrup]

do og ak have alters

i kinda like alters after hsr

[bronze plume]

yeah

Eyjafjalla has one

[edgy crater]

ch3n

[midnight stirrup]

ic

[ocean turret]

i only know chen

[bronze plume]

chen has 2 alters yeah

[midnight stirrup]

anyway

do i save my soft pity for zhuang

[sterile moat]

Chen alter being cryo

[midnight stirrup]

or get p4 rossi

[bronze plume]

they also do very interesting collab

[edgy crater]

goddamn female tourist C

[bronze plume]

you know the awnser is p5 rossi or bust

[midnight stirrup]

im severely dissapointed by p3

i dont wanna go the full way

[bronze plume]

what do you expect from HG dupes in games

[midnight stirrup]

idk about u

[bronze plume]

but im feeling 22

[midnight stirrup]

but +8% base multiplier on every crit hit sounded pretty fcking good

[sterile moat]

P4 does absolutely nothing for her rotation

[ocean turret]

give us more stockbills for artificing

[midnight stirrup]

I want p3 sig more than p4

so I can leave her at p3p3

ngl

[bronze plume]

thatll happen in 1.2 if it does give another outpost

[midnight stirrup]

her banner still here for 2 banners tho

so maybe ill get it

next patch

[outer ermine]

speedkill

[bronze plume]

just off banner win

[midnight stirrup]

im talking about her sig

[bronze plume]

thats how i got gilberta 2 yvonne and tt

all skill 0 luck

just get p5p5

[midnight stirrup]

🙄

[ocean turret]

me who doesnt have tt

[edgy crater]

should be, we can already see flat area equal to sub aic

[midnight stirrup]

not having tt is basically a bricked account icl

[bronze plume]

actually speaking of pog does p3, p4 or p5 give him like a good upgrade in hg terms of pots

[midnight stirrup]

p4 and p5 are decent for his pots apparently

p1-3 are trash

[bronze plume]

we know what the next area looks like?

[ocean turret]

explain

[edgy crater]

from afar yeah

[midnight stirrup]

you wouldnt understand

u dont have her

[teal pawn]

https://youtu.be/c7LdA9tLPnQ outside of Gilbertaless there are the woes of Tangtangless

That being said I don't want to use Tangtang with her anyway so perhaps P5 is the way

[bronze plume]

using ardelia is cool but having tt in the team lets me clear sanity stages so braindeadly

just tt bs close eyes press buttons bam dead

[midnight stirrup]

tt with gilb is ridiculous

made etchspace a joke

[bronze plume]

tbf etchspace was always a joke

[midnight stirrup]

i mean yeah

but theres a difference between

using last rite and having to fs

and just pressing gilb and tt bs

and have shit grouped and nuked

[bronze plume]

your first mistake

was using lr

[midnight stirrup]

sigh

[bronze plume]

hmmmm

[sterile moat]

Makes investing in tt feel so good

[bronze plume]

rossi or lr or both

[sterile moat]

at this point rossi outclasses lr completely

[midnight stirrup]

i wouldnt go that far

rossi is st

[bronze plume]

at least laev still has her aoe right guys hahahaha

ha

[midnight stirrup]

[sterile moat]

300 energy ult was a mistake

[midnight stirrup]

for who

laev?

[sterile moat]

Yea

[midnight stirrup]

laev dogshit in general

been saying shes ass since day 1

[bronze plume]

well no but sure

[midnight stirrup]

alright buddy

where does she excel over other characters

[ocean turret]

shes ass cause she cant burst boss, not good for speedrunners

https://klipy.com/gifs/jashinchan-jashinchan-dropkick

[bronze plume]

speedrunning all this game got atm

[midnight stirrup]

even in aoe

shes not the best option

[bronze plume]

hopefully that changes before 2.0

yes thx to a 1.1 character she isnt the best option which was undoubtedly going to happen 1.0 unit moment

the question is if shes going to get a support who helps her be better before a purely heat dps comes to just yeet her into the void

[midnight stirrup]

she already got cooked in aoe by lr+gilb and yvonne+gilb in aoe

[ocean turret]

oh no, people will get mad if they cant do it within 30 secs

[midnight stirrup]

i mean shell get a support

its not hard to make her a support

[bronze plume]

the speedrunners can still keep there speedrunning stuff smh

[ocean turret]

"i cant burst boss, this is for p2w game only"

[midnight stirrup]

"i cant beat gas stage, massive dps check"

[edgy crater]

surtr still good on dijang

[bronze plume]

the real powercreep will be the dijang numbers powercreep

tho they will probably just add more rooms to it for new things for characters to have passives for

wheres my faster sanity regen room

[sterile moat]

No infinite spawn aoe moment

[bronze plume]

thatll go well with the community if they make a 6 star who boosts it im sure

[sterile moat]

Where her ult will have constant value

[midnight stirrup]

huh

[bronze plume]

i do wonder how this event will play out if it is a combat one

[midnight stirrup]

oh

this combat event better give oreberyl

need 3 more 5 star pulls to get my p5 det

[sterile moat]

Like current essence farm is just waiting for spawns

[bronze plume]

i hope they dont start making events that dont give oroberyl outside of the sanity one

[sterile moat]

Half the ult doing nothing

[midnight stirrup]

events not giving oreberyl would be so cringe

[bronze plume]

wheres my "spawn all 22 enemies at once" option

[midnight stirrup]

with the game already having 0 events

[sterile moat]

Lmao and give it chance of increased rewards

Would be cool

[midnight stirrup]

damn

[midnight stirrup]

gilberta combo on 22 enemies into last rite battle skill would be so satisfying

icl

[bronze plume]

"hello 22 enemies oh youre in a tt ult and you cant move... and youre dead"

[cold bane]

now that would be fire with the new towers

[edgy crater]

annihilatio

[bronze plume]

ha i get it fire

cuz they are flamethrowers

good one

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cringe-dies-from-elden-ring-yzJVHT3EvKjnElA2R9

[bronze plume]

either mifu is a support for the leek or rossi

[midnight stirrup]

atp

im expecting everyone to be a support for everyone

[bronze plume]

the power of supportship or something

[midnight stirrup]

honkai support rail all over again

[ocean turret]

on the other side:

"oh no, i spent 13hrs a day, everyday playing this game. i completed every single shi in the game. this game is so boring theres no content. L Endfield"

[cold bane]

maybe mifu is an energy support and messes up rotations everywhere by just existing

[bronze plume]

i complete everything quite fast but

i still play

because

ardelia exists for me to stare at

[midnight stirrup]

god forbid people enjoy playing a game

[sterile moat]

Learning and perfecting rotations for all the comps is nice content

[bronze plume]

not many people do that tho

you gotta remember the majority do not look up build and team guides

[teal pawn]

Crush Combustion Defender trust

[near ermine]

Ye the majority here factory

[near ermine]

Nah flourite as main dps

[ocean turret]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jashinchan-jashinchan-dropkick

[bronze plume]

crush combustion electrification defender

[edgy crater]

not building them, especially artificing

[midnight stirrup]

im lowkey glad I built antal

he kinda cooks

[teal pawn]

They can't do my Perlica like this

[midnight stirrup]

i dont think perlica is getting replaced anytime soon

[teal pawn]

Who's gonna hold Stanza now

[midnight stirrup]

shes pretty bonkers

[sterile moat]

I just leveled them up to 60 to experiment with

[bronze plume]

the rossi team im using with ardelia is fun and all but god using gilberta bs for the rossi cs feels so ass

[near ermine]

Endmin

[ocean turret]

mifu when using her bis arts unit

https://tenor.com/view/gloop-gif-25555044

[midnight stirrup]

?

why are u using gilb bs

[near ermine]

Bro in my Rossi team I'm thinking of adding Rossi. Not sure tho

[ocean turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086681499496448/1482970542742048829/IDontRemember__20260207_1.gif

your brain be like:

[near ermine]

Infinite iq

[frozen tide]

When are we getting a breach corrosion electrification support with atk percent dmg percent dmg taken 3 way split 3rd line sig

[near ermine]

Yesterday

[bronze plume]

nah i need crush for rossi

get breach outta here

wait

[midnight stirrup]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lol-mrw-c5FhF1waAJ5wk

[bronze plume]

mifu update guys trust

crush, combustion, heat infliction, electrification vanguard

[ashen scroll]

Mifu is fire element

[near ermine]

Mifu better be cooking icl

[near ermine]

Not nature??

[ashen scroll]

All the boobs and ass character theyre all fire

[near ermine]

Yvonne

[ashen scroll]

Yvone is silicone doesnt count

[teal pawn]

And then Fangyi turns out to be arts unit electrification support with Stanza promax sig

[near ermine]

Fair enough

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/xxiisoul-thanos-gif-23843096

[midnight stirrup]

she uses a claymore

[teal pawn]

Damn

[frozen tide]

Is this canon

[near ermine]

Nah she uses a bow

[teal pawn]

Stanza Claymore

[midnight stirrup]

claymore cooked again

like every gacha

[ocean turret]

who needs gilb if you have this mifu

[bronze plume]

mifu will be

[near ermine]

We need blaze

[bronze plume]

physcial, heat, nature, electric, cryo

trust

[bronze plume]

the colour on her ult and bs will just be all 5

guys if i get banned its because i was right trust

[frozen tide]

Khrav and exemplar are both pretty thanos

[edgy crater]

her damage only exist with yuu, else just bait turbo

[frozen tide]

The more i think abt it the more sundered seems ass tho

[midnight stirrup]

yeah but like

[frozen tide]

Sundered feels like a bp weap

[midnight stirrup]

claymores never have good support options

[frozen tide]

Former finery

And ember sig

[midnight stirrup]

wtf does former finery do

ember sig is trash

[frozen tide]

Goated support weaps in a literal sense

[edgy crater]

heal stuff

[frozen tide]

They make u immortal

[near ermine]

🥀 🥀

[midnight stirrup]

wtf does former finery do

[ocean turret]

mifu got corrupted, got aether dmg

[near ermine]

You seen the"new horizons" trailer? Who's the white haired girl who isn't mentioned??

[frozen tide]

Where did this come from

[near ermine]

It's canon

[midnight stirrup]

oh

former finery is just ember sig

ic

ass

[midnight stirrup]

oh its the diddler

[edgy crater]

dude, i rather rewatching coconut song than watching those

[midnight stirrup]

why is every cc just a diddler

i cant

[near ermine]

It's peak trust

[edgy crater]

anyway, back to searching new cn stuff, Bolshevik revolution we go

[near ermine]

Serious question tho

[midnight stirrup]

Brigitte

[ashen scroll]

I was there when it was written

[near ermine]

Who is this

[bronze plume]

birb

[bronze plume]

thank you useless google ai

[frozen tide]

[bronze plume]

kid you gotta get of the brainrot imma be deadass

[near ermine]

Ts is so peak

[bronze plume]

if you search birb and not bird its wulfgard 🥀

[near ermine]

I make it up with a cute picture I stole

[open narwhal]

telling the truth tho, which one is this, so reliable

[near ermine]

Prolly Gemini

Or just Google ai

[open narwhal]

oh then its suck

[open narwhal]

it spread misinfo more than fanfare

[bronze plume]

its just funny innit

[near ermine]

Brother she a dragon. AI is so cooked

[bronze plume]

its neither

its duck ai

[open narwhal]

it made up a library once when i was trying to solve my homework

mf liar

[bronze plume]

used by duckduckgo

[open narwhal]

yeah wonder why

[near ermine]

Sigh

[bronze plume]

do we think chatgpt could do better

[near ermine]

Prolly

A bit

[bronze plume]

at least they got a bird

goodjob chatgpt

[outer ermine]

i have a funni idea w shatter

[outer ermine]

gil carry, ill try on umbral later

[proven mauve]

ayvwenna would function as a pretty good subdps if leek is an electric dps right?

looks like she applies electro stacks and electro susceptability

is there anything im missing?

[scenic radish]

you basically need to run avy as your main to benefit from the electro so you can throw out the spears. leek will probably make it easier but perli already makes it quite east

[proven mauve]

so still a solid chance avy and leek would go together if theyre both electro

[lime bear]

I'm gonna leek

[scenic radish]

it all depends on what leek gets, but avy is pretty flexible with her requirement

[proven mauve]

w

im lowkey just running out of stuff to spend sanity on tbh

still got like two weeks to go

[scenic radish]

always good to collect more garbage essence to fuel your next weapon

[proven mauve]

true

might prefarm some mats for leek and a couple teammates

kinda odd to envision what leek team would look like since it doesn't seem like they're releasing additional 5* supports

[scenic radish]

You can look up a planner and just throw in a random 6* to see how much money/materials you need for a general 1-90 level

[proven mauve]

ye

oh fuck giberta might be in it

oopsies

skipped too hard

[scenic radish]

when in doubt, throw in low cortisol

[bronze plume]

its always gilberta

[proven mauve]

i assumed mifu would be leek support

[scenic radish]

her kit is insanely versatile

[bronze plume]

gotta wait to see wwhat leeks kit actually is

[scenic radish]

we know nothing about them

[bronze plume]

hard to tell with the quirkyness they did with rossi

[proven mauve]

if she isn't electro im eating a shoe

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im hope shes a nature dps tho

[scenic radish]

rossi is well done with how versatile she is

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but people obv say electric

[proven mauve]

bro was spamming lightning bolts

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it would straight horrid to release both the first 6 star electric dps and a 6 star electric support for them tho

[scenic radish]

frankly right now I'm working on making a stagger team with ember because content hasn't required minmaxing anything so far

[proven mauve]

i was hoping for ember

got ardelia 3.0 instead

[bronze plume]

who tf is ardelia 3.0

[scenic radish]

been using avy for every trim so far, she's enjoyable to use

[proven mauve]

my third copy of ardelia

i cant escape this mf

[scenic radish]

3 copies for me as well

[bronze plume]

oh i thought you where calling ardelia, eyja 3.0 cuz shes the 3rd eyja

ill gladly take them all

[scenic radish]

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