#theorycrafting

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terse bridge
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Cool just found out you can have multiplication signs not fuck up by using backslash before it * * * *

chilly bolt
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\ works on everything

tight haven
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1.2 devlog be like: we added two new gamemodes that could be completed by a blindfolded toddler

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naturally half the playerbase will still struggle with it somehow

terse bridge
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I think you are getting the meaning here the other way around but anyways

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~~ ** __ huh cool

midnight stirrup
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Its still funny to me

outer ermine
drifting quest
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The amount of complaints on how 'hard' this umbral was is pretty telling

midnight stirrup
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Hifumi stop posting mid

bronze plume
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theres a world overworld is for some reason lvl 60

midnight stirrup
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You fell off

drifting quest
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Slug stage is too hard
Looks inside clear
No attempts to move out of the zone
Locks into long animation over trying to dodge

fringe dirge
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You'd be shocked by how many people don't understand how to build a functioning team

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Just slap everything that doesn't go together and call it a team

drifting quest
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id like to think

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i am the poster child for skill issue, given my disability

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and yet some clears i watch make me question that

midnight stirrup
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Me when good players try to be like the average

fringe dirge
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There are also people who literally just do not read what their characters kits do

sterile moat
edgy crater
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tho aint her 2nd talent not online when u off field her

outer ermine
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having so much shit to press is a nice dopamine

fringe dirge
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Rossi feels kinda overtuned, not in terms of numbers but just by the sheer amount of inflictions and vuln stacks she outputs

outer ermine
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it does

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just small ass number but its on bg

drifting quest
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i mean her numbers are kind of overtuned

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thats like exactly why she's in the place she is

chilly bolt
drifting quest
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big enough numbers to get wheelchaired into every comp

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big enough numbers to make various archetypes viable

manic blade
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is perlica worth m3 anything

chilly bolt
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Not really

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It's usually ult and basic for dmg

edgy crater
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unless u play electric, no

drifting quest
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premium damage gains

chilly bolt
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But you need like a maxed oblivion

sterile moat
midnight stirrup
drifting quest
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nothing is future proof

midnight stirrup
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Lies

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She can subslot eventually for new dps that want vuln

outer ermine
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i dont have enuf uge for it im still rocking no artif lmao

drifting quest
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can vs will

outer ermine
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only like +2uge ICANT and slab

sterile moat
midnight stirrup
drifting quest
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always

outer ermine
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tt rossi?

sterile moat
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i cant be fk to calc whats the breakpoint of my rotation

outer ermine
sterile moat
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yea

chilly bolt
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Cabt believe i just burnt 240 artificing catalysts

drifting quest
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better to expect less and get surprised when it turns out better

outer ermine
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ask shuo

drifting quest
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than expect more and be dissapointed

edgy crater
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240 low number tho

drifting quest
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im on break from tc

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didnt get rossi

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no point tc'ing

outer ermine
midnight stirrup
drifting quest
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she's miserable to tc for if you dont own her

midnight stirrup
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cause u didnt whimsy

chilly bolt
outer ermine
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oh did u lose

terse bridge
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Roll 60 every banner trust

drifting quest
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yeah lost to pog

sterile moat
edgy crater
next helm
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Second account shuo

drifting quest
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if i get her its the last day of the banner

next helm
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💀

drifting quest
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by swiping

outer ermine
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ICANT to pog

drifting quest
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useless aah potential

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i dont care much losing the 50/50

midnight stirrup
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shuo deserves rossi the most out of all of us

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ngl

drifting quest
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im malding i lost to pog

midnight stirrup
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u better get her

drifting quest
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depends how much i have to swipe

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endfield is stupidly expensive

edgy crater
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swipe more PerliWheeze

drifting quest
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$20 is like the upper limit on what im willing to drop for just pulls

edgy crater
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become striker

drifting quest
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and even $20 I wouldnt exactly be happy about

leaden mantle
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Is thermite cutter better than never rest in terms of supporting capabilities for pog?

midnight stirrup
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yes

drifting quest
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i need like 15 more pulls f2p before banner ends

fringe dirge
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$30 for a 10 pull and wep 10pull is fucking ridiculous

outer ermine
fringe dirge
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The bundles are so limited too

drifting quest
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yeah its really insane how its priced

sterile moat
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yea i was watching maygi play and i was like... i should really do swapping lmao

fringe dirge
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Only 1 10 pull bundle for $15

drifting quest
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im priced out of tc 1.2+

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so ill probably quit tc during that patch

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unless the units are simple

midnight stirrup
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a 10 pull in hoyo is 30

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kek

fringe dirge
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That is not true

leaden mantle
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Have they put thermite cutter on the shop yet?

midnight stirrup
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wanna bet

fringe dirge
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I play ZZZ

midnight stirrup
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You are ZZZ

drifting quest
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hoyo's like

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direct pull bundles

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tend to be better priced

midnight stirrup
drifting quest
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idk about primo vs OP

fringe dirge
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Maybe genshit I guess

midnight stirrup
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they have the same prices

fringe dirge
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Umamusume is also ridiculously expensive

outer ermine
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how is she doing anyway ICANT i havent watched shit

willow blade
outer ermine
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last time i saw was rossi start and i just closed ICANT

midnight stirrup
sterile moat
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she didnt managed to rng mald her way to 40s flat, still got 41 or 42s anyway iirc

drifting quest
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42 yeah

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40s was reliant on a perlica crit finisher she didnt hit

fringe dirge
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Hang on those are euros

outer ermine
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PerliStareYou whats others time

drifting quest
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gbp pricing is so much worse

sterile moat
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next closest was like 49s?

midnight stirrup
outer ermine
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damnn PerliChaos +2k in the bag

willow blade
drifting quest
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2k what

midnight stirrup
drifting quest
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i never actually looked at the prizing

sterile moat
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half the cc didnt even participate so lol

drifting quest
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cc server stuff is a mess

outer ermine
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drifting quest
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different people get into different ones

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$2k usd is pretty good

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damn

outer ermine
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yea ez money glitch ICANT

midnight stirrup
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Damn Kyo in that

drifting quest
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kyo is in them all

outer ermine
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lemme actually see her run

midnight stirrup
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Isnt Kyo factory guy

outer ermine
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bros never winning

chilly bolt
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Is kyo even good at the game

bronze plume
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it doesnt take much to be good at this kinda game

drifting quest
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there's been like 4(?)

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anything goes > yvonne > tangtang > rossi

midnight stirrup
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for this competition

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u kinda wanna be good

sterile moat
bronze plume
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who can do a single rotation the fastest

bronze plume
outer ermine
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oh she did try the tt start strat

compact bridge
bronze plume
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theres only so much optimisation in rotations that gachas have

outer ermine
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ICANT but no a3cancel for first frame abuse

midnight stirrup
leaden mantle
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How do you learn how to do proper rotations with the teams you make? Does it take hours of practice I assume?

sterile moat
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theres some crazy tech where she made the boss self combust during rossi ult

bronze plume
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you kinda just

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figure out what buttons you need to press when

drifting quest
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then tweaks can be made and tested

sterile moat
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hard to follow a set rotation anyway due to various tweaks to gearing choice / cd reduc pots

outer ermine
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yea and u get to save tt infliction for gil is prob the vision

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where is the run ICANT im skill issue

sterile moat
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i think it was yesterday stream

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can just wait for her to post it

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or near the end of the final stream

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tfw i built rossi only to be controlling tangtang 90% of the time

outer ermine
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PerliChaos oh she cooked

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crit chase on end of rot is ICANT

sterile moat
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maybe it could have been optimised via gearing choices as well?

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since its a 1 rota kill, could have went with the radar secondary

outer ermine
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i cant find the gear ICANT

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she prob math it tho, ying could just be worse than security since its a extended rot

ocean turret
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Who else have arts susceptibility?

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Besides ardelia?

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And gilberta?

sterile moat
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tangtang

ocean turret
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What skill

sterile moat
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bs

terse bridge
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Battle skill and Ult triggering Battle skill's effect

ocean turret
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Hmmm who else?

chilly bolt
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Antal too

drifting quest
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do you care about specifically just generic arts susc

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or all forms of susc

chilly bolt
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And technically, last rite

drifting quest
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antal, lr, etc have non generic susc

terse bridge
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Avywenna om

drifting quest
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lifeng, estella have phys susc

terse bridge
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Ultimate Thunderlance: Final Shock improved: Also applies 10% Electric Susceptibility Electric Susceptibility for 10s to enemies it hits.

chilly bolt
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Oh didn't know estella had that

ocean turret
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List the ops who do arts susc then phys susc

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Just arts and phys

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Not specific like antal

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You can dupe them if they have both

drifting quest
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Phys:
Lifeng, Estella, Ardelia

Generic Arts:
Gilberta, Tangtang, Ardelia

terse bridge
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Bro asking like it is grok 😭
Arts- Ardelia, Gilberta, Tangtang
Phys- Ardelia, Lifeng, Estella

ocean turret
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PerliDerp premium ah debuffRossiCopium

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What about specific ones? Only antal right?

ocean turret
drifting quest
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me when there's a wiki that makes it easy to find these things

terse bridge
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Grok twist this guy's balls

vivid hamlet
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rossi is officially maxed out, time to drop the game till 1.2

drifting quest
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talos wiki

brisk pecan
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pls don't be gatekeep

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ah

drifting quest
terse bridge
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Xaihi Antal gg

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Nowhere else

ocean turret
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Im in discord PerliFumo

terse bridge
brisk pecan
drifting quest
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congratulations

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you are more intelligent than a good 90% of the community

brisk pecan
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i was expecting a page on susceptibility with example operators listed

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😔

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i was lied to

bronze plume
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intelligence is at least your sub stat good job

terse bridge
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Gotta be top 5%

brisk pecan
ocean turret
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Its still nice asking and getting an answer from other people than looking on a websitePerliFumo

outer ermine
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i want alesh ult after that sequence

drifting quest
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not like much actual tc ever gets done these days

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glorified help channel

brisk pecan
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ok then mr glorified help channel sir

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do you know about the arclight alesh team

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like what is the team comp exactly

outer ermine
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ICANT do u know abt the arclight rossi team

brisk pecan
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how does it work

drifting quest
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assuming its the same one that made the rounds last patch its just perlica arclight alesh flex

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funnyman alesh sp gen stuff

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wasnt very good

brisk pecan
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who is the dps

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is it perlica?

drifting quest
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perlica and arclight

outer ermine
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oh shit i saw a shatter rossi guy streaming but refreshed PerliWaaaaa

brisk pecan
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hmm

brisk pecan
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i was thinking

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you can run arclight combo skill off cooldown

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with like +ake

drifting quest
gritty olive
brisk pecan
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350% atk per 3s isn't bad (?)

gritty olive
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Now i need a rotation for some rossi teams

drifting quest
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how are you proccing it every 3s

brisk pecan
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so the full rot is

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(apply electrification) -> arc cskill -> arc bskill -> arc cskill -> alesh cskill

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if we ignore the electrification bit

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the rest of the rot costs 1 sp to do and refunds 85 +10 w/ rare fish

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(at m3 and arc p1)

drifting quest
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ok now what

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you've done it once

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now what

brisk pecan
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do it again???

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hang on

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lemme speek

outer ermine
brisk pecan
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so we know that we can basically run the rest of the combo at basically* no cost

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so now we figure out the electrification stuff

ocean turret
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Has anyone tested rossi, antal, perlica and arclight?

brisk pecan
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perlica cskill does it for free, arclight ult does it, alesh ult + perlica bskill does it for 1sp

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and then you have ake bskill + perlica bskill for 2 sp

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the final one you try not to do as much as possible but it's there

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so you just apply electrification whenever and do the whole arclight alesh combo

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that's the theory at least

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haven't actually tested

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which is why i'm looking for someone with the knowledge

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@drifting quest ok what are your objections

drifting quest
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i mean you've amounted to

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not a lot

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it looks flashier than it actually is

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and then you have a decent downtime to consider

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ults are very long downtime, non arclight combos are longer, sp cost will add back up

brisk pecan
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hmm

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how much ult power does a cskill give you?

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is it different per operator?

drifting quest
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yes (ish)

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the only one not listed in their skill descriptions is arclight

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who only gets 5 energy

brisk pecan
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wait is that not sp?

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wait nvm i think i see

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ok so since arc ult is 90 energy you need 18 cskills = 9 combos

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ssshit

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ok it's joever

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😔

proud vector
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Yeah it’s annoying but sometimes there are hidden stuff

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Some of it does make some sense (like with Arclight and her double tapping), just wish it was written down somewhere

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Also, Arclight battery comp is a tested composition and I think it does explode one at least of the monuments in agony mode pretty fast

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It’s just… pretty low output

brisk pecan
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actually has someone compiled a list of the ult energy stuff? ie. how much energy every cskill gives you

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i'm looking at both talos and warfarin and both don't have it

proud vector
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Most c.skill are 10 each to operator

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Very few exceptions to the rule

brisk pecan
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like arclight 5

proud vector
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Rossi is technically 20

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Each sequence counts as 10

brisk pecan
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bskills are also 10 but for everyone yeah?

proud vector
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No

brisk pecan
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oh?

drifting quest
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Arclight comps are propped up by trivial fights

urban plaza
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can someone theorycraft the date of next livestream for 1.2 banner? PerliDerp

proud vector
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6.5 per 100sp spent

brisk pecan
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mm okay

proud vector
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Refunded SP diminishes this number

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Which differentiates it from recovered SP

drifting quest
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It had 1 (one) record in umbral monument 1

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And it had it for like 3 hours

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Lmao

proud vector
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PerliFumo kek

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Still technically a record holder once

brisk pecan
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😔

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my beyblade dreams

proud vector
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And of course

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Some stupid bumfuck exceptions exist to that rules too

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PerliDerp like LR self energy gain from battle skill not caring about refunded SP at all for just herself???

sterile patrol
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yea..

proud vector
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It’s kinda like “yea rules exist buuuuuuuut”

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Assume 6.5 per 100sp for battle skill and 10 for combo skill but be aware exceptions exist

brisk pecan
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aight

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just wish it was more clearly stated

drifting quest
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there are additional energy and replacement energy effects

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because fuck you haha

proud vector
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You can also generalise what 8sp/s from natural regen and around 5sp/s from normal attacking

brisk pecan
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see

drifting quest
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some units even have both

proud vector
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But since ultimate flashes pause that timer

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It’s safe to say 100sp is regenerated usually every 10 seconds or so

drifting quest
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its entirely content dependent

proud vector
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Absolutely

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Finishers after stagger are a huge stimulus check of SP

drifting quest
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some enemies have a tendency to abuse 100% off on plane tickets to go globe trotting

brisk pecan
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how much do dodges and final strikes give again

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10 and 10?

drifting quest
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haha

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it depends

brisk pecan
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fuck

proud vector
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Hahahahahahah

drifting quest
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i have

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tried and quit

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about 10 times

proud vector
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Final strikes is different for

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Each

drifting quest
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on making a plug and play er calc

proud vector
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Individual

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Character

drifting quest
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its not necessarily hard

brisk pecan
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😔

drifting quest
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just a lot of effort and hard coded exceptions

proud vector
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Loosely correlated to the stagger they cause

drifting quest
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i could not be bothered

drifting quest
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there's a coefficient

proud vector
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Perfect dodges are

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Actually not too big of a SP regeneration resource

edgy crater
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aint perfect dodge give fix sp

proud vector
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Since it pauses natural regeneration for a bit during them as well

terse bridge
proud vector
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The fixed SP regen from them is kinda compensating for the lost SP from natural regen

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So the overall increase rate of SP isn’t like

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Spectacular

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It’s there but it’s not money printing glitch

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Like do them but they don’t turbo SP

brisk pecan
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bruh

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do the devs even know how to make a game

drifting quest
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Not of this genre

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But yes in general

proud vector
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^

brisk pecan
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😭

proud vector
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For all the shit we give them for these niche rules and exceptions

brisk pecan
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ig i'll just fuck off to og ak then

proud vector
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The game feel and teambuilding are pretty good imo

brisk pecan
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ehhh

urban plaza
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i like how fluid combat feels overall

brisk pecan
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i can say that the factory stuff is kinda meh

fossil pendant
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why would you want perfect dodging to print sp

urban plaza
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but we dont have many options and enemies are dogshit tier

proud vector
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Yea

fossil pendant
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I dont want the meta for a team to be spam dodging a persistent aoe

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for sp

urban plaza
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like current endgame shouldnt take us 15s to clear even without whaling

proud vector
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Exactly

fresh trench
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I HATED THIS MF

edgy crater
fresh trench
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LIKE WHAT IS THIS

warped sorrel
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is perfect dodge is just dodge?

brisk pecan
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the timestop dodge

proud vector
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Blue dodge

drifting quest
proud vector
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Stamina and SP refund if done with correct timing

warped sorrel
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there is a non perfect dodge?

urban plaza
proud vector
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Yeah just uh

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Dash

warped idol
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thats just a dodge but you actually move out of the way instead of iframing everything

brisk pecan
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move out of the way

warped sorrel
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So it isnt dodge

warped idol
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I think perfect dodge also breaks tracking off you for a bit

proud vector
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It’s a dodge; it’s not a “dodge”

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It’s literally avoiding the attack kek

urban plaza
drifting quest
proud vector
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Honestly it would be funny for lv 200 field bosses to roam around

brisk pecan
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actually would be fun

proud vector
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MMO roots speaking out

urban plaza
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i did all 3 first try without even reading the gimmick

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not sure

drifting quest
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Endfield sort of has it

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Just didnt scale beyond us

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Temporary alluviums and world elites

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Wuwa did the concept well

urban plaza
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it has been better than umbral 1 for sure tho

proud vector
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Yea the difference is WuWa scaled beyond rather than matched, but did no rewards other than the challenge and prestige if I remember right

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That’s not a bad thing

edgy crater
proud vector
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Rhod is now failing to even serve as a training dummy PerliWheeze

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He’s using his domain expansion: cutscene break too early now

warped idol
proud vector
ocean turret
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Am i doing it wrong? Why is my antal cs dont show up when i do phys status

fossil pendant
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I hate to ask but did you apply the mark

ocean turret
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But when i use art it shows up

warped idol
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either cooldown or you didnt apply the mark

ocean turret
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Ofc i apply it

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It works on my perlica bs

proud vector
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Oh

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OH NO

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Lift is not lifted my friend

warped idol
brisk pecan
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you need the actual status instead of just the vuln (?)

proud vector
ocean turret
drifting berry
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Imagine using Antal

proud vector
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Yeah you need to trigger an actual physical status

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As it turns out lift is not a physical status

ocean turret
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No wonder

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Welp

brisk pecan
proud vector
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Lifted is a physical status caused by the lift tag if and only if the enemy has a vuln

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PerliWheeze lift is not lifted

brisk pecan
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oh you mean like that

proud vector
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Crush is not crushed

ocean turret
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Well theres no lift on 1st sequence

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Or i dunnoPerliDerp

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Lemme read

proud vector
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But anyways yeah that’s what’s causing Antal to not trigger

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You need the full effect of lift etc

fresh trench
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this triangalos RNG is so bad wth

ocean turret
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It is lift at 1st sequence

warped idol
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wait thats actually interesting, Antal can apply phys status

ocean turret
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Hmmm

warped idol
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that means he can use Gil's sig

ocean turret
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This is really weirdPerliDerp

proud vector
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I remember this chat having a breakdown over this a while ago bahahah

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From the ingame wiki no less

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PerliWheeze lift is not lifted

ocean turret
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W8 What

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Well its true

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Like chen

proud vector
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Ayup

ocean turret
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You cant lift using her bs

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Unless its vuln already

proud vector
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Yep

ocean turret
proud vector
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It’s just very funny that I can say

ocean turret
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I got tricked

proud vector
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Lift isn’t a physical status

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With a straight face and not be lying

fresh trench
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I screwd up

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again

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i hated this

ocean turret
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Well i asked cause im trying rossi, antal, perlica, arclight

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So my next question is if i have 4 stacks of electric

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And use arclight ult

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Does her electrification lvl4? Or still 1?

proud vector
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Consumed, levels up

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Tested I believe but I forgot who

brisk pecan
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also you'll overcap bc arclight ult is +1 elec infliction

proud vector
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Also doing it at 4 stacks is a bit of a waste

warped idol
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but

proud vector
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It applies 1

brisk pecan
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so you wanna do it on 3

warped idol
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you already have perlica'

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electrification

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and it's already forced to be max

proud vector
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Eh

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No pelica’s is forced level 1

warped idol
proud vector
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Well technically 2 with the potential

warped idol
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damn youtube misinformation again

ocean turret
#

I thought its an "if situation"?

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Lemem read again

terse bridge
#

I love misinformation

brisk pecan
proud vector
#

God could you imagine Perlica applying a full lv4 electrification

warped idol
proud vector
#

Yeah it kinda makes it about as strong as a lv 2

terse bridge
#

Does her p4 come after AI

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Or before

proud vector
#

Multiplicative so don’t matter

terse bridge
#

Coolge

warped idol
#

what is lv4?

proud vector
#

Consume 4 inflictions

warped idol
#

20%?

#

I mean how much it debuffs

terse bridge
proud vector
#

24%

drifting berry
#

it's it close to 40% after arts intensity?

terse bridge
warped idol
#

heres me 2 days ago thinking dmg multiplier means more debuff so I waste resources leveling it up PerliDerp

proud vector
#

Well, you can stack more than 100 arts intensity which would double it

warped idol
#

with this what equivalent would Perlica's combo be?

proud vector
#

It’s a straight multiply by AI, 1=1%

#

~22%

warped idol
#

also between corrosion and electric, what's better?

proud vector
#

Hard to make comparison

warped idol
#

I heard corossion only reach full potential near the time limit

proud vector
#

Corrosion has unique rules and way it fits into teams

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Because a level 4 corrosion can be extended by feeding it lv1 corrosions over and over

#

Electrification just overrides

ocean turret
#

Corrosion is kinda bad cause most enemies are at low def

#

Letter E?

proud vector
#

PerliDerp what

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No?

#

Negative resistances exist

ocean turret
#

Oh okay Letter D

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Oh okay

proud vector
#

It’s always a damage boost

ocean turret
#

Fair enough

#

I thought just stay 0 def

proud vector
#

It doesn’t even affect defence

#

It affects resistance

ocean turret
proud vector
#

(Sounds the same but different brackets in the damage formula)

warped idol
#

so seperate multipliers?

#

I wonder which multiplier is less diluted

#

corrosion or electric

drifting quest
#

Corro

icy remnant
#

Corrosion will scale better as enemies get tougher in the future

proud vector
#

Corrosion pretty much but not much competes with electrification

drifting quest
#

Assuming you mean electrification

terse bridge
#

Elec is just arts damage taken

ocean turret
#

Decreases over time till it reach minimum, so you need yo marinate the boss firstPerliFumo PerliWheeze

drifting quest
#

Damage taken has a lot of sources

proud vector
#

It has some

proud vector
#

Not that many

#

…. No I take that back

#

There’s enough lol

drifting quest
#

Smile

ocean turret
#

Electrification is instant, corrosion is slow dmg increase overtime

proud vector
icy remnant
#

There’s nothing except Corrosion right now that reduces enemy resistances
There is just Laev that ignores 20

proud vector
#

Electrification done naturally also lasts a long ass time (30s at lv4)

#

It’s arts breach basically

drifting quest
#

Corrosion takes 10s to 'mature' and then will remain at that max even when refreshed

brisk pecan
#

is this the part where flourite becomes meta

proud vector
#

No

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BeanGamble tf you mean

terse bridge
#

2 detonation weapons, Rossi, elec, breach

#

Anything else?

icy remnant
#

Corrosion will likely be better later
It’s abit early in the game

warped idol
#

the only possible meta part of her is locked behind a 40s cd

proud vector
ocean turret
#

Why is it 40 in the first placePerliDerp

proud vector
#

I forgor

brisk pecan
#

ok so this is stupid but hear me out

warped idol
ocean turret
#

Antal does it better PerliDerp

proud vector
#

I mean arts infliction are more expensive than cheap mass produced vulns

icy remnant
#

Flourite is just a bad unit

#

They never intended for her to be good

proud vector
#

How dare you

warped idol
#

heat for days

brisk pecan
#

flourite + estella (or anyone else with a quick +cryo) = cryo + cryo + flourite cskill + flourite ult = 4 cryo stack + flourite bskill = 4stack corro

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so you just refresh

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ok i'll accept my ban now

warped idol
#

Flourite should've had a potential that helps her combo skill in anyway

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like wulfgard

proud vector
#

You’re only getting 200sp every 20 seconds or so

#

This is way too expensive to upkeep lol

warped idol
#

instead we got

warped idol
proud vector
#

PerliFumo you all laugh but Flourite functions in a 30s rotation cycle

warped idol
#

flourite alter will be good

#

trust

proud vector
#

The real Flourite killer is fcking Xaihi

warped idol
ocean turret
#

I think flourite is better at nature stacking than using her to do corrosion

proud vector
#

PerliDerp Xaihi warps ALL cyro around herself

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And probably all nature too

#

And she prefers a what 20 second cycle?

#

Absolutely slaughters any chances for Flourite to have a 30 second cycle home

terse bridge
warped idol
#

cant wait for a nature dps so flourite will be useful (she will be replaced by Gilberta day 1)

drifting berry
#

Also they managed to make all the new handcannons useless on her, BP one gives Cryo and Nature damage on passive but secundary stat is cryo damage, and TT signature requires for you to apply arts susceptability.

drifting berry
#

Fluorite getting the short end of the stick

warped idol
#

oh btw new survey is out for Asia server

terse bridge
ocean turret
molten star
#

AKE tcers aren't Microsoft excelmaxers?

proud vector
#

No they are

molten star
proud vector
#

But the really spreadsheet guys are in secret Illuminati group chats

warped idol
#

how does Link interact with Lavae's ult?

proud vector
#

And aren’t public facing at all

#

Most of us here are frauds that don’t properly TC

brisk pecan
#

hell of a statement to drop

proud vector
#

It’s true though

terse bridge
#

Yup

brisk pecan
#

😔

proud vector
#

But it’s like one of the few places you can catch and talk to TCers when they swing around for insights

drifting quest
molten star
#

Do we dwingle on mifu leaks here

proud vector
#

No leaks

drifting quest
#

Leaks banned

proud vector
#

Official server

drifting quest
#

Datamines okay if spoiler tagged

drifting berry
#

Datamine allowed no leaks

warped idol
brisk pecan
#

oh wait that's not allowed mb

proud vector
ocean turret
molten star
#

Is there a defense break thing in the game

drifting berry
#

Also leaks on endfield are mostly guess work, gryphlink kinda works like that

proud vector
#

Stagger?

brisk pecan
#

corro

warped idol
#

do you guys think avywenna will be future proof since she doesnt consume electric stacks?

proud vector
#

Idk what defence break means to you

edgy crater
thorny egret
#

hello everyone, may I ask whether link buff affects crush dmg or not? when I tried to calculate dmg I saw in a showcase of physical expert team (endmin, chen, pog, lifeng), I realized link buff must be included in formula so that the calculated dmg could match the dmg in the showcase

edgy crater
#

or like straight up minus def?

molten star
proud vector
#

Sad but skill damage only

warped idol
#

so crush does 2 hit, one skill and one status?

proud vector
#

Mhm

brisk pecan
warped idol
proud vector
#

You can see skill damage, crush and shatter (and rock cancer pop I think?) all different damage lines

warped idol
#

wth have I been doing using akekuri for endmin team

proud vector
#

Give to Chen ult

#

She does appreciate it lol

brisk pecan
#

akekuri as sp battery + thermite isn't the worst you can do

#

even ignoring the link

#

also you can use the link for endmin ult

#

or chen ult assuming you use her

drifting berry
proud vector
#

I can see it kinda

#

Mini Tangtang

drifting berry
#

She give like 10% electric susceptability on ult

#

the same as tt on skill at 2 stacks

warped idol
#

and she gets her ult back fairly quick

#

doesnt really need sp at all

drifting berry
#

I mean, you kinda want to atleast use her skill at least once in a while for her damage, if not then there's not really a reason to bring her.

Still she's not expensive sp wise and the spears last for 50s at P4

#

Again a mini TT, but you don't really have any spears that provides supports like TT signature

proud vector
#

PerliStare just press as part of gilb or gilb equivalent burst window

#

Beeg burst damage

#

Zapzap

warped idol
#

yeah thats how ive been running her in my Rossi team

drifting berry
#

Tho outside of damage and electric susceptability she doesn't provide anything else, idk how art infliction hungry electric teams can be

proud vector
#

BeanGamble spicy

proud vector
#

Then we will know

drifting berry
#

waiting for dev stream

#

prob next banner is going to be a Rossi support, they cannot see me saving for more than 1 banner

proud vector
#

PerliStareYou crusher

#

Time to save phys society!!

warped idol
#

6 spears couldve one shotted him tbh

#

but that's just what it is with Avywenna

#

she wont one shot nuke unless you got a at least 6 spears on the ground

midnight stirrup
#

What is the swordmancer set for Gilb, what do people usually run

warped idol
midnight stirrup
#

Im aware and thats not what im asking

warped idol
#

swordmancer set is I think Art Intensity + 3pc Stagger effect

midnight stirrup
marble iris
#

PerliStare I finally maxed my Da Pan

leaden mantle
#

For Aleshs rare fin trigger, does it cap out at 40%, when you get 600 intelligence with him? When you have p3 + attack boost?

daring dove
#

I do, not sure if you still need whatever you wanted to ask though since it’s nearly 12 hours later. 091_Run

warped idol
#

it's impossible to time Perlica's electrification rihgt PerliDerp

leaden mantle
#

Or they all kinda bad, in terms of dps?

midnight stirrup
#

Theyre all shit, P5 is the best one.

drifting quest
#

fwiw p5 on ember is like

#

not a good pot

#

its just the least bad

daring dove
# leaden mantle What’s her most useful potential?

They’re all terrible in terms of DPS. P3 is a nice comfort potential. P5 is pretty bad despite being a 10% ATK buff has it only has 50% uptime & you can’t get reasonable ult gain on her without ruining her damage further. 091_Run

drifting quest
#

its also likely ember will never have good pots because the situation where she would be 'good' is a super unhealthy place for the game to be in

#

one of those doomed sort of units

#

from a tc perspective, ofc

leaden mantle
#

Sry if I repeated myself

drifting quest
#

if you dont care about tc then use whomever or whatever you want it all clears for now

daring dove
#

She’s pretty cursed doesn’t mean I don’t like her though I enjoy the quirky wonky units sometimes.

warped idol
#

does anyone here do a CS Rossi build?

leaden mantle
#

Does pog do a lot on dps when hitting a breach that has 4 stacks of vulnerability? Could he himself generate skill points for that team alone or is it better to have a backup in place (akekuri)

hardy rose
#

🤔

drifting quest
#

there's no (tc perspective) case where ember is better than an alternative, or 'good' in general

hardy rose
#

Cause the priority is efficient dmg?

daring dove
midnight stirrup
daring dove
#

Comfort is one of those things which is almost entirely subjective therefore not valuable to a TC discussion.

hardy rose
#

Actually nvm

icy remnant
#

Does anyone remember if they announced 1.1 dev log a few days before they dropped the video

icy remnant
#

Means we probably won’t see 1.2 dev log soon

#

Sad

midnight stirrup
#

Sunday

icy remnant
#

Eh?

#

Did they announce for Sunday?

midnight stirrup
#

No

#

But its based on last time

icy remnant
#

But they announced a few days before the vid last time you mentioned

midnight stirrup
#

Yes

icy remnant
#

It’s already Friday

midnight stirrup
#

I dont know bro

#

Sunday its 11 days between dev update and patch

#

Last time

#

It might be a bit later this time

#

But sunday would be the same as last time

drifting quest
#

first time ive given negative feedback on a survey

#

shame

midnight stirrup
#

What for

drifting quest
#

this endfield survey

midnight stirrup
#

Nah I know

#

But what negative feedback

drifting quest
#

content issues, monetization issues, etc

midnight stirrup
#

Fair

daring dove
#

Content drought is unreal to be fair. I have some sympathy considering Genshin was the same in the beginning. But at the same time you're releasing into a 2026 world so you need to able to compete with the products on-offer at the time.

#

I do think it's mostly a short term problem though.

drifting quest
#

12k orundum to go till rossi i guess

fossil pendant
#

I was significantly more negative on this survey than the ones from last patch

drifting quest
#

might be doable without spending

fossil pendant
#

honeymoon phase wearing off

#

now we settle in for the long haul

midnight stirrup
#

I get satisfaction out of looking at the areas

#

But yeah theres a content drought

daring dove
#

For me it's mostly just an end-game issue, we need some serious work put into it. I'd ideally like to see some form of Co-Op gameplay as well but that maybe more of a personal preference thing.

#

I knew going into the game it was mainly single player focused.

midnight stirrup
#

Im surprised theres no coop

#

Would be interesting with this combat type

daring dove
#

Yep

midnight stirrup
#

Or building factory together

#

People helping u tweak or build one in general

fresh trench
drifting berry
#

I have been giving negative feedback on the story since launch. And now for the chore like events, tf are we doing going around wulling cleaning the streets?

fossil pendant
#

endfield events are pretty spectacularly boring compared to what I'm used to in wuwa

high finch
high finch
drifting quest
#

nothing ive not said in this chat too

high finch
#

but in this game so far most of the events felt like they were made in 10min in a toilet

fossil pendant
#

iunno I usually like the major events they do once per patch, they're pretty creative and I can appreciate the intent behind them even if they're of the kind that I don't enjoy playing as much

drifting quest
#

most recent umbral is really good, could be a bit harder but the idea/concept behind stage design was perfect
paid packs feel miserable based relative to cost
both char and weapon gacha are good in theory but really poor in practice
event quality is alright but content within them and number of them are not great
f2p income is quite poor
story was a huge improvement in 1.1 from 1.0 but could still get a bit better, pacing was the main issue in 1.1 alongside some characters like ruan yi lacking visible character development

fossil pendant
#

like the tower defense sim they did a while ago I liked

drifting quest
#

yada yada

fossil pendant
#

the writing is so bipolar though

warped idol
#

1.0 was supposed to do the setups

drifting quest
#

the issue is that

#

a lot of worldbuilding is tied to collectible notes

#

which most players

fossil pendant
#

like you have 1.1 story on one hand which is at least kind of reasonably good and then you have other chunks of side content that feel like they were written for consumption by 5 year olds

drifting quest
#

will never interact with

#

there is a lack of visible story

warped idol
#

welcome back Miyazaki

high finch
warped idol
#

either that or characters overstay their welcome

bronze plume
#

its a bit different for some characters in arknights tho some ops get entire events dedicated to just them and sometimes some other ops

warped idol
#

I'd much rather the first one

bronze plume
#

the question is if they do this for ef

daring dove
bronze plume
high finch
#

i really enjoyed endmin moments in laev story quest. like he thinks about stuff doubts who he really is what he did and a lot of thoughs. but as i said about char development in future story quests we see none of those thoughts impacting the mc

fossil pendant
#

I like gil and rossi as much as the next guy

#

but wtf were their quests man

high finch
#

he's just doing what ppl are telling him to do

drifting quest
#

rossi's was okay

#

flawed, obviously

#

but at least it wasnt gilb quality

#

it feels like it was a 1.0 story quest pushed back to 1.1 and not changed

bronze plume
#

Dont ypu literally unlock hers before wulfs

drifting quest
#

idk i never pay attention to that

#

ill be AL60 as soon as I spend my sanity pots this week

#

i have not considered level as a factor in anything for like a month and a half

icy remnant
#

Level 60+ you get a lot more T credits

lyric latch
high finch
#

also where are all the factory events? main mechanic. like also i heard ppl crying about factory being to difficult and they asking devs to make it more casual. like cmon if you struggle you just copy/paste someone perfect blueprint and leave it forever. don't nerf factory cause of that

icy remnant
#

Excess XP gets converted over including event EXP
But even excluding event XP & daily pass it’s like 10% of a T credit run extra everyday so you just end up not needing to farm T credits again for the most part

high finch
#

t-credit farm is a huge scam like 36k for 80 stam is a joke

warped idol
#

factory events sound like hell given the incentive for resource optimization.... Some of us can't spare to make new stuff or else productivity will suffer

high finch
#

i dunno why but i'm just farming essence for last couple of weeks

#

just for future

high finch
#

like they did in training simulations

warped idol
#

special area + unique resource sounds like the way to go tbh

drifting quest
#

i mean yeah it'd be that

#

just like the tutorials

drifting berry
#

Factory does in fact get more complicated in 1.1.

Also issue is that people want to over complicate their build to use the least amount of space as possible, but if you do it normally there’s no need to go that far

#

The thing I had to look a guide for was how to make better use of the batteries because you overproduce to much

high finch
#

and you do it once and forget about it till something new comes

#

infact if you don't want to mess with factory you wont. copy>paste>done and forgotten

drifting berry
#

Also that

warped idol
drifting quest
#

if it wasnt so easy to brick your entire setup

icy remnant
drifting quest
#

off one mistake

#

it'd be good

high finch
warped idol
icy remnant
#

It needs to be fun enough for most peeps to want to build by yourself while also not being too punishing if you can’t fully optimise it

high finch
warped idol
high finch
#

make it fun and engaging make it difficult for ppl who wants to figure it out

#

and for ones who dont they just copy paste

warped idol
#

I imagine most just spent the first few days of the update optimizing the hell out of the factory before just leaving it there

#

I know I did

bronze plume
#

yeah there are just some people out there who would just never want to touch a factory type game

#

which is fair

icy remnant
#

Most people don’t copy paste either
Millions installed the game and it’s not like they all went to YouTube to dig out every blueprint cus going on YouTube itself is effort

bronze plume
#

blueprint are a good way around that hell most factory games have blueprints in them anyway

icy remnant
#

A lot probably just run sub optimal bases and that’s okay

high finch
warped idol
#

PerliDerp 200k people gave up

#

it's teacher K tho so it's understandable

fossil pendant
#

most of the bases on youtube have switches to turn on/off component production and that pmo so I just ended up doing it myself

high finch
#

but overall it's pretty fun to mess around with things. i hope they gonna add something like in space age factorio where you need resources which you can get for example only in walley 4 and send them to your other region so you can craft other staff. and not they way we have it now with just sending it via apk but some other way like teleportation pods

fossil pendant
#

I do enjoy the factory as a whole though

bronze plume
#

same

fossil pendant
#

nice way to kill three hours trying to save like 5 tiles of space

warped idol
#

now we need belt speed adjuster for 1.2 so we can tc the hell out of it PerliFumo

bronze plume
#

i do wish it had more depth but at the same time i have over 10k hours in satisfactory and its primary thing is factory so

#

cant get too much

high finch
#

also i think that limit on resources sucks

#

make us build not around our resources but around our space on factory area

#

it would be way more fun

bronze plume
#

they would just downsize all areas of the factory then to compensate

high finch
#

cause rn you look and like: yeah i'm using all my 300 ferrium/s i don't need further optimisations

fossil pendant
#

letting us move the depot bus was already a pretty good start

#

because unloader space was a pretty big constraint early on

warped idol
#

it feels like heaven when a pylon is inside the production line instead of sticking outside

high finch
fossil pendant
#

yeah

daring dove
high finch
#

and also old factories are useless imo. i'm just stockpiling tradeable items from walley4 cause i don't really use stockbills from that region

daring dove
#

An there's no useful resource that refreshes weekly.

warped idol
#

well buying sanity tickets is still useful

#

I still havent bought them all out

#

would be nice if things like t creds are stocked though

daring dove
#

If they gave me extra sanity sure but just cutting my farming time down.

#

Isn't a big deal

high finch
#

i hate this system

#

when i use all my x2 tickets it feels so ass to do it 80stam/run

#

it's barelly enough for full version even with paid bp

daring dove
fossil pendant
#

I had to start playing endfield in windowed 21:9 because if I fullscreened it the combo timers were so far to the left I couldn't see them

honest hill
#

I think ultra wide is weird

daring dove
#

If it's worth the extra GPU power for extra view that your eyes aren't focused on is a bigger question.

honest hill
#

prob not

fossil pendant
#

normal 21:9 is already good enough for me to play most games, 32:9 was because I run a flight sim setup at home and it's also pretty nice for getting stuff done

daring dove
#

I'm so used to it now it just helps with immersion, my focus is still on the center of the screen like a regular 16:9 monitor. But having that extra view left / right helps massively with immersion & keeping annoying interface elements out of the center of my screen.

fossil pendant
#

16:9 I just can't

warped idol
#

it usually fixes all the weird resolution issues for me

daring dove
#

I always play borderless personally, I alt tab far too much.

chilly bolt
#

Isn't borderless is the go to

daring dove
#

Hopefully I can get past 6.1k with a bit more artificing.

fossil pendant
#

I usually use the UI bounding option in games that have it but this doesn't

warped idol
#

suffering from success ahh

warped idol
daring dove
warped idol
quartz horizon
#

whel

leaden mantle
#

Does pog do a lot on dps when hitting a breach that has 4 stacks of vulnerability? Could he himself generate skill points for that team alone or is it better to have a backup in place (akekuri)

drifting quest
#

Pog does not do much dps, but it's still worth Breaching in MonoPhys
His SP gen is sufficient

daring dove
#

Do we have a calc yet on the difference between P0 & P5 Rossi weapon, is it about 30% as I originally assumed with napkin math?

warped idol
#

p5 is 44.8% atk while p0 is only 25.6%

#

idk what the calc uses but that's the only difference between them (unless im stupid and base atk also changes)

daring dove
warped idol
#

anyway breaking 6k seem hard

#

this is my as maxxed out as possible avywenna

#

I dont think skill mastery affect that number tho

vivid hamlet
#

p5 weapon is so expensive tbh

#

i stg the chance for it to drop is absurd after the first one

daring dove
bronze plume
fossil pendant
#

it do be 25/75

warped idol
vivid hamlet
#

(yes i am malding, yes my rossi is p5/p4)

daring dove
#

Slab Tangtang breaks 7k I believe.

#

But I'd never use slab so 091_Run

warped idol
bronze plume
lyric latch
bronze plume
#

ez

fossil pendant
#

a relatively large part of me wants to just drop lr to play tt only instead ngl

warped idol
#

ok wow

#

cooler number but im sure it does less dmg

daring dove
vivid hamlet
daring dove
#

It's kind of a toxic set bonus.

warped idol
bronze plume
#

imagine if we get a full sets worth of pieces that are just main att% +

vivid hamlet
#

btw, i haven't tried out perlica since i don't have her built but rossi/gilb/wulf/antal is cracked

fossil pendant
#

nice part is you don't need her built

#

she exists to press combo and hold stanza

vivid hamlet
#

my bro antal on some other shit

leaden mantle
fossil pendant
#

one day I'll have enough tcreds to build rossi

drifting quest
#

or find someone else who has done it

#

most people, at least most of those who tc here, dont consider things like dps pog due to it being pretty poor performing

leaden mantle
#

Welp this project is gonna cost a lot oof

vivid hamlet
#

hopefully mifu is a good rossi support

#

the rossi upscale must continue

lyric latch
#

Hopefully Mi Fu is next patch

#

So I can maybe continue to get TT copies from her banner

icy remnant
#

If I get TT from MiFus banner I’ll be happy

#

Rossi too

bronze plume
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i would also be happy if i got all currently avaliable limited units on 1 banner

icy remnant
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I didn’t want Yvonne

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Actively decided to not roll on TTs banner to avoid Yvonne PerliDerp

quartz horizon
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why u no like yvonne

lyric latch
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I also dont want Yvonne, but I took the risk. I wanted TT no matter what.

outer ermine
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PerliFumo 4 vuln is a pain in the ass

icy remnant
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I originally wanted TT but decided to pass because her buffing Cryo and the Cryo limited being Yvonne made me not really want her

quartz horizon
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so why does a character with a 7.1% chance of showing up for every 6* u get make u skip? 😭

fossil pendant
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can't let her pollute the account

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if she shows up I die irl

icy remnant
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I mean it was multi faceted

  1. Might get Yvonne which I didn’t want to use
  2. Even if I got TT, she was designed around supporting Yvonne the Cryo limited, which I don’t have
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I wanted Mifu so I just decided to skip

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But I was originally planning to roll for TT if she was anything but Cryo

quartz horizon
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fair

lyric latch
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Meanwhile I got happy that TT was Cryo since I was already playing LR. Maybe next patch I will finally build a new team but for now I will hoard resources.

leaden mantle
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Have people ever run dual dps teams?

vivid hamlet
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rossi cooked me and i'm doing a get every operator when it drops account