#theorycrafting
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\ works on everything
1.2 devlog be like: we added two new gamemodes that could be completed by a blindfolded toddler
naturally half the playerbase will still struggle with it somehow
I think you are getting the meaning here the other way around but anyways
~~ ** __ huh cool
Probably
Its still funny to me
@sterile moat surprisingly fun af
The amount of complaints on how 'hard' this umbral was is pretty telling
Hifumi stop posting mid
theres a world overworld is for some reason lvl 60
You fell off
Slug stage is too hard
Looks inside clear
No attempts to move out of the zone
Locks into long animation over trying to dodge
You'd be shocked by how many people don't understand how to build a functioning team
Just slap everything that doesn't go together and call it a team
id like to think
i am the poster child for skill issue, given my disability
and yet some clears i watch make me question that
Me when good players try to be like the average
There are also people who literally just do not read what their characters kits do
rossi is just fun af to play 
tho aint her 2nd talent not online when u off field her
Rossi feels kinda overtuned, not in terms of numbers but just by the sheer amount of inflictions and vuln stacks she outputs
i mean her numbers are kind of overtuned
thats like exactly why she's in the place she is
He doesn't have combustion anyway
big enough numbers to get wheelchaired into every comp
big enough numbers to make various archetypes viable
is perlica worth m3 anything
unless u play electric, no
premium damage gains
But you need like a maxed oblivion
you should try 0 ult rotations, its even more fun with more shit to press
Im just happy shes future proof
nothing is future proof
i dont have enuf uge for it im still rocking no artif lmao
can vs will
only like +2uge
and slab
i need someone to test my 0 ult rotation lmao
Doomposter shuo smh
always
tt rossi?
i cant be fk to calc whats the breakpoint of my rotation

yea
Cabt believe i just burnt 240 artificing catalysts
better to expect less and get surprised when it turns out better
ask shuo
than expect more and be dissapointed
240 low number tho

naur this is why u had to pity thrice
she's miserable to tc for if you dont own her
cause u didnt whimsy
That's 3 weeks of saving man
oh did u lose
Roll 60 every banner trust
yeah lost to pog
arde has the 50 sp refund set

Second account shuo
if i get her its the last day of the banner
💀
by swiping
to pog
im malding i lost to pog
u better get her
swipe more 
$20 is like the upper limit on what im willing to drop for just pulls
become striker
and even $20 I wouldnt exactly be happy about
Is thermite cutter better than never rest in terms of supporting capabilities for pog?
yes
i need like 15 more pulls f2p before banner ends
$30 for a 10 pull and wep 10pull is fucking ridiculous
finally playing w swaps
The bundles are so limited too
yeah its really insane how its priced
yea i was watching maygi play and i was like... i should really do swapping lmao
Only 1 10 pull bundle for $15
im priced out of tc 1.2+
so ill probably quit tc during that patch
unless the units are simple
That is not true
Have they put thermite cutter on the shop yet?
wanna bet
I play ZZZ
You are ZZZ
idk about primo vs OP
Maybe genshit I guess
they have the same prices
Umamusume is also ridiculously expensive
oh lmao
how is she doing anyway
i havent watched shit
it hard to say, genshin is cheaper by a bit for bying pull curency BUT genshin's monthy gives like almost 2x the rewards compared to endfield
last time i saw was rossi start and i just closed 
Lol
she didnt managed to rng mald her way to 40s flat, still got 41 or 42s anyway iirc
Hang on those are euros
whats others time
gbp pricing is so much worse
next closest was like 49s?
were talking about zzz vs genshin not genshin vs endfield
damnn
+2k in the bag
why this ss then?
2k what
it helps reading the convo first
i never actually looked at the prizing
half the cc didnt even participate so lol
cc server stuff is a mess
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yea ez money glitch 
Damn Kyo in that
kyo is in them all
lemme actually see her run
Isnt Kyo factory guy
bros never winning
Is kyo even good at the game
it doesnt take much to be good at this kinda game
True
nah, you will be surprised how nuanced the optimisations are
who can do a single rotation the fastest
no i wouldnt be
oh she did try the tt start strat
His buddy ekcogen also in that
theres only so much optimisation in rotations that gachas have
but no a3cancel for first frame abuse

How do you learn how to do proper rotations with the teams you make? Does it take hours of practice I assume?
theres some crazy tech where she made the boss self combust during rossi ult
initial routing is usually pretty obvious
then tweaks can be made and tested
hard to follow a set rotation anyway due to various tweaks to gearing choice / cd reduc pots
yea and u get to save tt infliction for gil is prob the vision
where is the run
im skill issue
i think it was yesterday stream
can just wait for her to post it
or near the end of the final stream
tfw i built rossi only to be controlling tangtang 90% of the time

maybe it could have been optimised via gearing choices as well?
since its a 1 rota kill, could have went with the radar secondary
rossi too slow to control lmao just flashy
i cant find the gear 
she prob math it tho, ying could just be worse than security since its a extended rot
tangtang
What skill
bs
Battle skill and Ult triggering Battle skill's effect
Hmmm who else?
Antal too
And technically, last rite
antal, lr, etc have non generic susc
Avywenna om
lifeng, estella have phys susc
Ultimate Thunderlance: Final Shock improved: Also applies 10% Electric Susceptibility Electric Susceptibility for 10s to enemies it hits.
Oh didn't know estella had that
List the ops who do arts susc then phys susc
Just arts and phys
Not specific like antal
You can dupe them if they have both
Phys:
Lifeng, Estella, Ardelia
Generic Arts:
Gilberta, Tangtang, Ardelia
Bro asking like it is grok 😭
Arts- Ardelia, Gilberta, Tangtang
Phys- Ardelia, Lifeng, Estella
Youre faster than searching it oneby one

me when there's a wiki that makes it easy to find these things
Electric Susc - Antal, Avywenna
Heat Susc - Antal
Cryo Susc - Last Rite
Grok twist this guy's balls
rossi is officially maxed out, time to drop the game till 1.2
now do amp 
which one is it
talos wiki
Im in discord 
🤔
oh wait is this search "susceptibility" -> look at what operators pop up
i was expecting a page on susceptibility with example operators listed
😔
i was lied to
intelligence is at least your sub stat good job
Bro both reads AND writes
Gotta be top 5%
bro this is the gacha community i don't feel good about this medal
Its still nice asking and getting an answer from other people than looking on a website
yea not enuf uge for now
i want alesh ult after that sequence
ok then mr glorified help channel sir
do you know about the arclight alesh team
like what is the team comp exactly
do u know abt the arclight rossi team
how does it work
assuming its the same one that made the rounds last patch its just perlica arclight alesh flex
funnyman alesh sp gen stuff
wasnt very good
perlica and arclight
oh shit i saw a shatter rossi guy streaming but refreshed 
hmm
waiter waiter more wheelchair comps please
I love glorified help where most people here are guesscrafters based on othe rpeoples woeks
350% atk per 3s isn't bad (?)
Now i need a rotation for some rossi teams
how are you proccing it every 3s
so the full rot is
(apply electrification) -> arc cskill -> arc bskill -> arc cskill -> alesh cskill
if we ignore the electrification bit
the rest of the rot costs 1 sp to do and refunds 85 +10 w/ rare fish
(at m3 and arc p1)
0 frame shenanigans u already know where that shit is being used
so we know that we can basically run the rest of the combo at basically* no cost
so now we figure out the electrification stuff
Has anyone tested rossi, antal, perlica and arclight?
perlica cskill does it for free, arclight ult does it, alesh ult + perlica bskill does it for 1sp
and then you have ake bskill + perlica bskill for 2 sp
the final one you try not to do as much as possible but it's there
so you just apply electrification whenever and do the whole arclight alesh combo
that's the theory at least
haven't actually tested
which is why i'm looking for someone with the knowledge
@drifting quest ok what are your objections
i mean you've amounted to
not a lot
it looks flashier than it actually is
and then you have a decent downtime to consider
ults are very long downtime, non arclight combos are longer, sp cost will add back up
yes (ish)
the only one not listed in their skill descriptions is arclight
who only gets 5 energy
wait is that not sp?
wait nvm i think i see
ok so since arc ult is 90 energy you need 18 cskills = 9 combos
ssshit
ok it's joever
😔
Yeah it’s annoying but sometimes there are hidden stuff
Some of it does make some sense (like with Arclight and her double tapping), just wish it was written down somewhere
Also, Arclight battery comp is a tested composition and I think it does explode one at least of the monuments in agony mode pretty fast
It’s just… pretty low output
actually has someone compiled a list of the ult energy stuff? ie. how much energy every cskill gives you
i'm looking at both talos and warfarin and both don't have it
like arclight 5
bskills are also 10 but for everyone yeah?
No
oh?
Arclight comps are propped up by trivial fights
can someone theorycraft the date of next livestream for 1.2 banner? 
6.5 per 100sp spent
mm okay
And of course
Some stupid bumfuck exceptions exist to that rules too
like LR self energy gain from battle skill not caring about refunded SP at all for just herself???
It’s kinda like “yea rules exist buuuuuuuut”
Assume 6.5 per 100sp for battle skill and 10 for combo skill but be aware exceptions exist
You can also generalise what 8sp/s from natural regen and around 5sp/s from normal attacking
see
some units even have both
But since ultimate flashes pause that timer
It’s safe to say 100sp is regenerated usually every 10 seconds or so
its entirely content dependent
some enemies have a tendency to abuse 100% off on plane tickets to go globe trotting
fuck
Hahahahahahah
on making a plug and play er calc
its not necessarily hard
😔
just a lot of effort and hard coded exceptions
Loosely correlated to the stagger they cause
i could not be bothered
within 2 weeks 
there's a coefficient
aint perfect dodge give fix sp
Since it pauses natural regeneration for a bit during them as well
Before the current banner ends

The fixed SP regen from them is kinda compensating for the lost SP from natural regen
So the overall increase rate of SP isn’t like
Spectacular
It’s there but it’s not money printing glitch
Like do them but they don’t turbo SP
^
😭
For all the shit we give them for these niche rules and exceptions
ig i'll just fuck off to og ak then
The game feel and teambuilding are pretty good imo
ehhh
i like how fluid combat feels overall
i can say that the factory stuff is kinda meh
why would you want perfect dodging to print sp
but we dont have many options and enemies are dogshit tier
Yea
like current endgame shouldnt take us 15s to clear even without whaling
Exactly
I HATED THIS MF
minotaur stop sp rule 
LIKE WHAT IS THIS
is perfect dodge is just dodge?
the timestop dodge
Blue dodge
Monkeys paw
Enjoy 20 million hp with 50% res to everything but the newest banner unit
Stamina and SP refund if done with correct timing
there is a non perfect dodge?

thats just a dodge but you actually move out of the way instead of iframing everything
move out of the way
So it isnt dodge
I think perfect dodge also breaks tracking off you for a bit
idk, I definitely don't want them to overtune it
but come on - even the challenge content is 0 challenge
I think umbral 3 is a super healthy way to do it
actually would be fun
MMO roots speaking out
Endfield sort of has it
Just didnt scale beyond us
Temporary alluviums and world elites
Wuwa did the concept well
it has been better than umbral 1 for sure tho
Yea the difference is WuWa scaled beyond rather than matched, but did no rewards other than the challenge and prestige if I remember right
That’s not a bad thing
nah dont, i don't wanna w8 half day just to a chance meeting 1 special mob during special weather effect 
Rhod is now failing to even serve as a training dummy 
He’s using his domain expansion: cutscene break too early now
Ruan Yi is the new dummy now (if he stops lifting his front legs up and making all my moves miss)
And that’s why it’s funny and not good hahaha
Am i doing it wrong? Why is my antal cs dont show up when i do phys status
I hate to ask but did you apply the mark
But when i use art it shows up
either cooldown or you didnt apply the mark

you need the actual status instead of just the vuln (?)

Imagine using Antal
Yeah you need to trigger an actual physical status
As it turns out lift is not a physical status
wait what
Lifted is a physical status caused by the lift tag if and only if the enemy has a vuln
lift is not lifted
oh you mean like that
Crush is not crushed
But anyways yeah that’s what’s causing Antal to not trigger
You need the full effect of lift etc
this triangalos RNG is so bad wth
It is lift at 1st sequence
wait thats actually interesting, Antal can apply phys status
Hmmm
This is really weird
I remember this chat having a breakdown over this a while ago bahahah
From the ingame wiki no less
lift is not lifted
Ayup
Yep

It’s just very funny that I can say
I got tricked
Well i asked cause im trying rossi, antal, perlica, arclight
So my next question is if i have 4 stacks of electric
And use arclight ult
Does her electrification lvl4? Or still 1?
also you'll overcap bc arclight ult is +1 elec infliction
Also doing it at 4 stacks is a bit of a waste
but
It applies 1
so you wanna do it on 3

Well technically 2 with the potential
damn youtube misinformation again
I love misinformation
i feel like the problem here is you thinking youtube is a good source of info
God could you imagine Perlica applying a full lv4 electrification
Yeah it kinda makes it about as strong as a lv 2
Coolge
what is lv4?
Consume 4 inflictions
24%
24%
it's it close to 40% after arts intensity?
Depends on how much you're getting
heres me 2 days ago thinking dmg multiplier means more debuff so I waste resources leveling it up 
Well, you can stack more than 100 arts intensity which would double it
with this what equivalent would Perlica's combo be?
also between corrosion and electric, what's better?
Hard to make comparison
I heard corossion only reach full potential near the time limit
Corrosion has unique rules and way it fits into teams
Because a level 4 corrosion can be extended by feeding it lv1 corrosions over and over
Electrification just overrides
It’s always a damage boost

(Sounds the same but different brackets in the damage formula)
so seperate multipliers?
I wonder which multiplier is less diluted
corrosion or electric
Corro
Corrosion will scale better as enemies get tougher in the future
Corrosion pretty much but not much competes with electrification
Assuming you mean electrification
Elec is just arts damage taken
Decreases over time till it reach minimum, so you need yo marinate the boss first

Damage taken has a lot of sources
It has some
Smile
Electrification is instant, corrosion is slow dmg increase overtime

There’s nothing except Corrosion right now that reduces enemy resistances
There is just Laev that ignores 20
Electrification done naturally also lasts a long ass time (30s at lv4)
It’s arts breach basically
Corrosion takes 10s to 'mature' and then will remain at that max even when refreshed
is this the part where flourite becomes meta
Corrosion will likely be better later
It’s abit early in the game
I think Xaihi has something on combo skill talent…?
Why is it 40 in the first place
I forgor
ok so this is stupid but hear me out
getting a stack for free is too OP (ignore Chen and whatever her cooldown is)
Antal does it better 
wulf tho 
How dare you
heat for days
flourite + estella (or anyone else with a quick +cryo) = cryo + cryo + flourite cskill + flourite ult = 4 cryo stack + flourite bskill = 4stack corro
so you just refresh
ok i'll accept my ban now
Flourite should've had a potential that helps her combo skill in anyway
like wulfgard
Horrific
-2s at p5 iirc

You’re only getting 200sp every 20 seconds or so
This is way too expensive to upkeep lol
instead we got
wdym

you all laugh but Flourite functions in a 30s rotation cycle
The real Flourite killer is fcking Xaihi

I think flourite is better at nature stacking than using her to do corrosion
Xaihi warps ALL cyro around herself
And probably all nature too
And she prefers a what 20 second cycle?
Absolutely slaughters any chances for Flourite to have a 30 second cycle home
Detonation Unit, Brigand's Calling, Clannibal, Ardelia Sig, Finchaser
Breach, Electrification,
Rossi T1, Xaihi T1, Endmin T2
cant wait for a nature dps so flourite will be useful (she will be replaced by Gilberta day 1)
Also they managed to make all the new handcannons useless on her, BP one gives Cryo and Nature damage on passive but secundary stat is cryo damage, and TT signature requires for you to apply arts susceptability.
What are u listing?
Fluorite getting the short end of the stick
oh btw new survey is out for Asia server
DMG Taken effects (All of them, specific to a damage type or not)

AKE tcers aren't Microsoft excelmaxers?
No they are
I have yet to see a rossi excelsheet
But the really spreadsheet guys are in secret Illuminati group chats
how does Link interact with Lavae's ult?
hell of a statement to drop
It’s true though
Yup
😔
But it’s like one of the few places you can catch and talk to TCers when they swing around for insights
Whiffs
Do we dwingle on mifu leaks here
No leaks
Leaks banned
Official server
Datamines okay if spoiler tagged
Datamine allowed no leaks

oh wait that's not allowed mb
Who ever clicks on that, will be branded as brainded gameplay enjoyers
Is there a defense break thing in the game
Also leaks on endfield are mostly guess work, gryphlink kinda works like that
Stagger?
corro
do you guys think avywenna will be future proof since she doesnt consume electric stacks?
Idk what defence break means to you
breach?
Zhuang fungyi
hello everyone, may I ask whether link buff affects crush dmg or not? when I tried to calculate dmg I saw in a showcase of physical expert team (endmin, chen, pog, lifeng), I realized link buff must be included in formula so that the calculated dmg could match the dmg in the showcase
or like straight up minus def?
No
This
Sad but skill damage only
so crush does 2 hit, one skill and one status?
Mhm
theoretically no one is future proof bc they can just release operators with bonker numbers in the future

You can see skill damage, crush and shatter (and rock cancer pop I think?) all different damage lines
wth have I been doing using akekuri for endmin team
akekuri as sp battery + thermite isn't the worst you can do
even ignoring the link
also you can use the link for endmin ult
or chen ult assuming you use her
Kinda? If you really want to and in the sense she will not interfere with any other electric dps.
Also she provides Electric susceptability so I can see her working great as a sub-dps that provides a little bit of support.
She give like 10% electric susceptability on ult
the same as tt on skill at 2 stacks
I mean, you kinda want to atleast use her skill at least once in a while for her damage, if not then there's not really a reason to bring her.
Still she's not expensive sp wise and the spears last for 50s at P4
Again a mini TT, but you don't really have any spears that provides supports like TT signature
just press as part of gilb or gilb equivalent burst window
Beeg burst damage
Zapzap
yeah thats how ive been running her in my Rossi team
Tho outside of damage and electric susceptability she doesn't provide anything else, idk how art infliction hungry electric teams can be
spicy
Need to wait for purple Esper nekked lady
Then we will know
waiting for dev stream
prob next banner is going to be a Rossi support, they cannot see me saving for more than 1 banner
6 spears couldve one shotted him tbh
but that's just what it is with Avywenna
she wont one shot nuke unless you got a at least 6 spears on the ground
What is the swordmancer set for Gilb, what do people usually run
people usually run eternal xiranite
Im aware and thats not what im asking
swordmancer set is I think Art Intensity + 3pc Stagger effect

I finally maxed my Da Pan
For Aleshs rare fin trigger, does it cap out at 40%, when you get 600 intelligence with him? When you have p3 + attack boost?
I do, not sure if you still need whatever you wanted to ask though since it’s nearly 12 hours later. 
What’s her most useful potential?
Or they all kinda bad, in terms of dps?
You already got your answer earlier
Theyre all shit, P5 is the best one.
They’re all terrible in terms of DPS. P3 is a nice comfort potential. P5 is pretty bad despite being a 10% ATK buff has it only has 50% uptime & you can’t get reasonable ult gain on her without ruining her damage further. 
its also likely ember will never have good pots because the situation where she would be 'good' is a super unhealthy place for the game to be in
one of those doomed sort of units
from a tc perspective, ofc
Sry if I repeated myself
if you dont care about tc then use whomever or whatever you want it all clears for now
All good, I think a fully maxed out P5-P5 Ember (With Sundred Prince) would still be a worse DPS than P0-P0 Tangtang maxed out from my testing.
She’s pretty cursed doesn’t mean I don’t like her though I enjoy the quirky wonky units sometimes.
does anyone here do a CS Rossi build?
Does pog do a lot on dps when hitting a breach that has 4 stacks of vulnerability? Could he himself generate skill points for that team alone or is it better to have a backup in place (akekuri)
there's no (tc perspective) case where ember is better than an alternative, or 'good' in general
Cause the priority is efficient dmg?
You can't really put a value on comfort half the time to be fair. This is coming from someone who puts a lot of focus on how comfy a team is rather than how much damage it does.
What other priority is there
Comfort is one of those things which is almost entirely subjective therefore not valuable to a TC discussion.
Does anyone remember if they announced 1.1 dev log a few days before they dropped the video
Yes
Sunday
But they announced a few days before the vid last time you mentioned
Yes
It’s already Friday
I dont know bro
Sunday its 11 days between dev update and patch
Last time
It might be a bit later this time
But sunday would be the same as last time
What for
this endfield survey
content issues, monetization issues, etc
Fair
Content drought is unreal to be fair. I have some sympathy considering Genshin was the same in the beginning. But at the same time you're releasing into a 2026 world so you need to able to compete with the products on-offer at the time.
I do think it's mostly a short term problem though.
12k orundum to go till rossi i guess
I was significantly more negative on this survey than the ones from last patch
might be doable without spending
yeah same
I get satisfaction out of looking at the areas
But yeah theres a content drought
For me it's mostly just an end-game issue, we need some serious work put into it. I'd ideally like to see some form of Co-Op gameplay as well but that maybe more of a personal preference thing.
I knew going into the game it was mainly single player focused.
Yep
I have been giving negative feedback on the story since launch. And now for the chore like events, tf are we doing going around wulling cleaning the streets?
endfield events are pretty spectacularly boring compared to what I'm used to in wuwa
yeah,the story is ass. And the events are also very shitty. the only even i enjoed so far is this riddle one it's not as bad as others but it's "ok". For the story i wish it to turn a lot more darker but i doubt it ever will.
what did you write i wonder? i think weapon gacha is still huge problem. pull income is mid and events are dogshit imo
nothing ive not said in this chat too
i tried last wuwa event and didn't really enjoy it. the only event in wuwa i really liked was coop bosses and i'm struggling to remember anything else good
but in this game so far most of the events felt like they were made in 10min in a toilet
iunno I usually like the major events they do once per patch, they're pretty creative and I can appreciate the intent behind them even if they're of the kind that I don't enjoy playing as much
most recent umbral is really good, could be a bit harder but the idea/concept behind stage design was perfect
paid packs feel miserable based relative to cost
both char and weapon gacha are good in theory but really poor in practice
event quality is alright but content within them and number of them are not great
f2p income is quite poor
story was a huge improvement in 1.1 from 1.0 but could still get a bit better, pacing was the main issue in 1.1 alongside some characters like ruan yi lacking visible character development
like the tower defense sim they did a while ago I liked
yada yada
the writing is so bipolar though
the problem with 1.1's story is 1.0
1.0 was supposed to do the setups

the issue is that
a lot of worldbuilding is tied to collectible notes
which most players
like you have 1.1 story on one hand which is at least kind of reasonably good and then you have other chunks of side content that feel like they were written for consumption by 5 year olds
welcome back Miyazaki
i hate that in all gachas there is basically no character development outside their release. you just see them once and never again and maybe they'll appear in some future story moments but they're kinda same as if time froze for them since last time you did their story quest
either that or characters overstay their welcome
its a bit different for some characters in arknights tho some ops get entire events dedicated to just them and sometimes some other ops
I'd much rather the first one
the question is if they do this for ef
There's a meme in that somewhere, in Genshin we play tag games with friends or fight hoards of enemies in a score based time attack. In Enfield we clear the streets. 🧹 
glorified power washing sim event lets goo
i really enjoyed endmin moments in laev story quest. like he thinks about stuff doubts who he really is what he did and a lot of thoughs. but as i said about char development in future story quests we see none of those thoughts impacting the mc
he's just doing what ppl are telling him to do
rossi's was okay
flawed, obviously
but at least it wasnt gilb quality
it feels like it was a 1.0 story quest pushed back to 1.1 and not changed
Dont ypu literally unlock hers before wulfs
idk i never pay attention to that
ill be AL60 as soon as I spend my sanity pots this week
i have not considered level as a factor in anything for like a month and a half
Level 60+ you get a lot more T credits
Yes. Probably someone who starts now will have a higher opinion of Rossi's quest since they will unlock it at a time it will make sense.
also where are all the factory events? main mechanic. like also i heard ppl crying about factory being to difficult and they asking devs to make it more casual. like cmon if you struggle you just copy/paste someone perfect blueprint and leave it forever. don't nerf factory cause of that
Excess XP gets converted over including event EXP
But even excluding event XP & daily pass it’s like 10% of a T credit run extra everyday so you just end up not needing to farm T credits again for the most part
t-credit farm is a huge scam like 36k for 80 stam is a joke
factory events sound like hell given the incentive for resource optimization.... Some of us can't spare to make new stuff or else productivity will suffer
just give a special factory area for the event
like they did in training simulations
special area + unique resource sounds like the way to go tbh
Factory does in fact get more complicated in 1.1.
Also issue is that people want to over complicate their build to use the least amount of space as possible, but if you do it normally there’s no need to go that far
The thing I had to look a guide for was how to make better use of the batteries because you overproduce to much
yeah i dunno why ppl complain in factories being difficult to build while you can straight up copy someoneses perfect factory in just few clicks or just watching a yt guide with setup
and you do it once and forget about it till something new comes
infact if you don't want to mess with factory you wont. copy>paste>done and forgotten
Also that
yeah 1.1 really added depth with byproduct utilization
if it wasnt so easy to brick your entire setup
Copying shouldn’t need to be the solution to be fair
Ideal gameplay would have the factory be fun enough to want to build by yourself
underwater pipes+byproducts is 1 step closer to factorio

It needs to be fun enough for most peeps to want to build by yourself while also not being too punishing if you can’t fully optimise it
i mean it's a good way for ppl who hate it. it was just my thoughts abt ppl saying it's to difficult pls nerf it deeeevs
by its nature only specific types of player would like the factory stuff. This game is still primarily a gacha after all
make it fun and engaging make it difficult for ppl who wants to figure it out
and for ones who dont they just copy paste
I imagine most just spent the first few days of the update optimizing the hell out of the factory before just leaving it there
I know I did
yeah there are just some people out there who would just never want to touch a factory type game
which is fair
Most people don’t copy paste either
Millions installed the game and it’s not like they all went to YouTube to dig out every blueprint cus going on YouTube itself is effort
blueprint are a good way around that hell most factory games have blueprints in them anyway
A lot probably just run sub optimal bases and that’s okay
yeah i did the same. took me a while to figure things out. but still i'm not that deep enough to do some crazy battery managment strat
most of the bases on youtube have switches to turn on/off component production and that pmo so I just ended up doing it myself
but overall it's pretty fun to mess around with things. i hope they gonna add something like in space age factorio where you need resources which you can get for example only in walley 4 and send them to your other region so you can craft other staff. and not they way we have it now with just sending it via apk but some other way like teleportation pods
I do enjoy the factory as a whole though
same
nice way to kill three hours trying to save like 5 tiles of space
now we need belt speed adjuster for 1.2 so we can tc the hell out of it 
i do wish it had more depth but at the same time i have over 10k hours in satisfactory and its primary thing is factory so
cant get too much
also i think that limit on resources sucks
make us build not around our resources but around our space on factory area
it would be way more fun
they would just downsize all areas of the factory then to compensate
cause rn you look and like: yeah i'm using all my 300 ferrium/s i don't need further optimisations
letting us move the depot bus was already a pretty good start
because unloader space was a pretty big constraint early on
it feels like heaven when a pylon is inside the production line instead of sticking outside

yeah it's good but you don't need it cause u'r capped by mats anyway
yeah
Yeah I always end up designing my bases myself, but I do use optimised production loop blueprints as modules.
and also old factories are useless imo. i'm just stockpiling tradeable items from walley4 cause i don't really use stockbills from that region
Yeah you reach a point where not even the companion gifts are useful rather quickly.
An there's no useful resource that refreshes weekly.
well buying sanity tickets is still useful
I still havent bought them all out
would be nice if things like t creds are stocked though
They're just time savers but for me they don't add much.
If they gave me extra sanity sure but just cutting my farming time down.
Isn't a big deal
i wish they added that 2x stam consumption tickets there
i hate this system
when i use all my x2 tickets it feels so ass to do it 80stam/run
it's barelly enough for full version even with paid bp
is that an odyssey g9 lol
Yep
I had to start playing endfield in windowed 21:9 because if I fullscreened it the combo timers were so far to the left I couldn't see them
I think ultra wide is weird
I mean it's just expanding your view ultimately so you aren't playing the game with horse blinders on.
If it's worth the extra GPU power for extra view that your eyes aren't focused on is a bigger question.
prob not
normal 21:9 is already good enough for me to play most games, 32:9 was because I run a flight sim setup at home and it's also pretty nice for getting stuff done
I'm so used to it now it just helps with immersion, my focus is still on the center of the screen like a regular 16:9 monitor. But having that extra view left / right helps massively with immersion & keeping annoying interface elements out of the center of my screen.
16:9 I just can't
have you tried borderlesss?
it usually fixes all the weird resolution issues for me
I always play borderless personally, I alt tab far too much.
Isn't borderless is the go to
oh that's not the issue, it's just that the screen is literally so wide that if I use the full display the UI in the corners is physically too far away to see lmao
I usually use the UI bounding option in games that have it but this doesn't
suffering from success ahh
It's all good now
how th is your number bigger 
Higher potentials on weapon.

whel
Does pog do a lot on dps when hitting a breach that has 4 stacks of vulnerability? Could he himself generate skill points for that team alone or is it better to have a backup in place (akekuri)
Pog does not do much dps, but it's still worth Breaching in MonoPhys
His SP gen is sufficient
Do we have a calc yet on the difference between P0 & P5 Rossi weapon, is it about 30% as I originally assumed with napkin math?
p5 is 44.8% atk while p0 is only 25.6%
idk what the calc uses but that's the only difference between them (unless im stupid and base atk also changes)
There's also the extra DMG bonus, so I'm thinking it'll be somewhere in the range of 30-35% stronger than PO.

anyway breaking 6k seem hard
this is my as maxxed out as possible avywenna
I dont think skill mastery affect that number tho
p5 weapon is so expensive tbh
i stg the chance for it to drop is absurd after the first one
Tangtang does it, but she's a bit of an ATK monster.
slap a slab on ez 6k trust
it do be 25/75

(yes i am malding, yes my rossi is p5/p4)
still short
slab a second one on
Waiting for Agi/Str Slab
ez
a relatively large part of me wants to just drop lr to play tt only instead ngl
I reckon we'll never get a slab upgrade it'll just be left to eventually become a useless piece as we get better gear.
It's kind of a toxic set bonus.
where the hell do you get those agility
imagine if we get a full sets worth of pieces that are just main att% +
btw, i haven't tried out perlica since i don't have her built but rossi/gilb/wulf/antal is cracked
my bro antal on some other shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjYUTnnc5nU This is my favorite it's so toxic the bosses can't even move. 
What if you build him with a full dps build?
you're on your own atp
or find someone else who has done it
most people, at least most of those who tc here, dont consider things like dps pog due to it being pretty poor performing
hmm need to try it
Welp this project is gonna cost a lot oof
Hopefully Mi Fu is next patch
So I can maybe continue to get TT copies from her banner
i would also be happy if i got all currently avaliable limited units on 1 banner
I also dont want Yvonne, but I took the risk. I wanted TT no matter what.
4 vuln is a pain in the ass
I originally wanted TT but decided to pass because her buffing Cryo and the Cryo limited being Yvonne made me not really want her
so why does a character with a 7.1% chance of showing up for every 6* u get make u skip? 😭
I mean it was multi faceted
- Might get Yvonne which I didn’t want to use
- Even if I got TT, she was designed around supporting Yvonne the Cryo limited, which I don’t have
I wanted Mifu so I just decided to skip
But I was originally planning to roll for TT if she was anything but Cryo
fair
Meanwhile I got happy that TT was Cryo since I was already playing LR. Maybe next patch I will finally build a new team but for now I will hoard resources.
Have people ever run dual dps teams?
rossi cooked me and i'm doing a get every operator when it drops account





