theorycrafting

[fossil pendant]

icant

[drifting quest]

welcome to the bottom of the barrel

[fossil pendant]

spoke it into existence

keep the mouth closed next time

[drifting quest]

ironically it was a redeemer chest for me too

[smoky quarry]

the game was rigged from the start

[daring dove]

40 successful attempts at raising Artificing progress congrats

[smoky quarry]

Physparty is so fucked on this umbral

[drifting quest]

its workable

you can stagger the 3rd fight a lot more often

which compensates a lot for the dr

in a few days you can also slap rossi on the team

and actually have it work

[fossil pendant]

yeah this felt like it was handmade for rossi

even for laevatain it's a little funky because you can't absorb stacks with 4mf and the paused sp regen can prevent you from spending any

[smoky quarry]

Third stage is free for laevatein

[drifting quest]

wouldnt call it free

[smoky quarry]

heat infliction appears out of nowhere (and apparently this triggers wulf combo, lol)

[drifting quest]

easier than other teams for sure

but not free

no natural sp regen is pretty rough for laev for one

[fossil pendant]

I didn't even use wulfgard's bs lol

[drifting quest]

and the boss can anim cancel laev too

[fossil pendant]

just wait for each enrage cycle to eat all the natural stacks the boss generates

[smoky quarry]

yeah, the bs cancel is annoying

I wonder why it's even there

[fossil pendant]

I would say it's there to punish you for playing like a monkey but the character is kind of designed for you to play like a monkey otherwise so idk lol

[quasi quarry]

is Lifeng P1 considered good because it has substantial change to rotation or because of the increase in Physical Susceptibillity, if it's the first can you give any examples

[drifting quest]

the obvious answer is the right one

aka its both

[fossil pendant]

idk about substantial but it does let you extend the effective duration of your susc because you don't have to open each subcycle with it

[smoky quarry]

"Can you stand in one place for like, a second, please"

[drifting quest]

putting you closer to p2 and p3 is relevant too

[tight haven]

yeah that was free as fuck

laev dumpstered every single stage

[quasi quarry]

how does it change his rotation though?

[tight haven]

fun though

[tight haven]

punishes you far less for fucking up and improves team recovery

not applying susc = not accessing cskill on lifeng = less lifeng ults (slower cycles), less links

[quasi quarry]

so this is a QoL thing and not an optimisation thing?

[fossil pendant]

well if there's breach on the team you still get it but

[drifting quest]

Its both

[tight haven]

it is practically an optimization thing

[fossil pendant]

like

losing 12% susc is kind of a pretty major deal

[tight haven]

no enemy is going to stand still and let you play your rotation out

[drifting quest]

It lets you save combos between crush/breaches

I.e. if you chen skill for the 4th vuln

You can crush/breach then pop the combo

Without 'wasting' it

Sometimes you would let it expire anyway but its a bunch of things like that

Which lifeng p1 lets you now do

[fossil pendant]

it feels much more relevant in UM

because sometimes shit just happens

as opposed to more or less being able to just striking dummy all the bosses in the game rn

[tight haven]

yeah recrisis is fake ass content atp

except ruan yi to an extent

which kind of makes sense its supposed to be a farming stage

[drifting quest]

Im so hyped for future umbral now

[tight haven]

same

those stages were creative

[drifting quest]

Yeah they cooked

[quasi quarry]

you mean saving his combo for later for the attack you want to buff?

[tight haven]

laev is unfortunately just the fucking best to ever do it

[drifting quest]

Chen combo

[tight haven]

god-fucking-damn that survivability passive is nuts

[drifting quest]

Laev kinda dumpsters all 3

But im fine with that

I tried other teams as well

[tight haven]

yeah she probably should be able to anyway

[quasi quarry]

i mean cant you wait for lifeng skill first and then use the chen combo

[tight haven]

her dr+heal passive is just so good

[fossil pendant]

all this UM made me do is want more parry operators lol

[drifting quest]

Yes but timing is tight and not always possible

If we get more umbral like this then

Defenders upscale

[tight haven]

and we're back to full 200%

i appreciate that they made trust so much easier to accumulate in endfield

as opposed to "leave your op in a cold room for 5 weeks"

[fossil pendant]

what do you even get at 200

I don't think I've bothered going past 100 yet besides the control room ops that get it naturally

[tight haven]

lore unlocks

more voice lines

[quasi quarry]

honestly I still can't see how this is that much of a game changer if I could see how it plays out ingame maybe I'd understand it better

[tight haven]

past 100% is just "if you like them"

but like its so piss easy to get 200% so why not

[drifting quest]

you can still do this

which is also nice

[fossil pendant]

yea I have to uncap my 30mil v4 stock bills somehow I guess

lol

[drifting quest]

the susc is the universal gain, the more lenient conditional is just helping it to feel better in realistic gameplay that you cannot predict

[quartz horizon]

what game does this

[quasi quarry]

hm alr

I'll probably keep the selector still

hope I get it through pulls

[tight haven]

og ak

[sudden lichen]

Finally said goodbye to my last rite team, umbral agony was unclearable

[tight haven]

raising trust in og ak is just

miserable

[quartz horizon]

its that bad?

[tight haven]

still is imo

[sudden lichen]

Everything is easy until third agony, it's near unbeatable yea

enemy erases cryo stacks every 5 seconds or so

[quartz horizon]

why? whats the mech

[fossil pendant]

I can't imagine it's fun on third stage yah

[quartz horizon]

oh

[fossil pendant]

lol

[quartz horizon]

just cryo?

[fossil pendant]

it generates heat stacks on itself over time

[tight haven]

isnt it just "use tt bskill whenever stacks are high"

[sudden lichen]

I switched to yvonne team and it became way easier, free solid

[tight haven]

for lr teams

[sudden lichen]

that's assuming you have tangtang on the last rite team

[tight haven]

[quasi quarry]

the activity room addition fixed like nothing

[drifting quest]

yeah cryo is pretty rough for the 3rd stage but not unplayable

[quasi quarry]

skadidaijoubu

[tight haven]

yeah it did literally nothing lol

[quartz horizon]

so i shouldnt worry?

[tight haven]

funny af

[tight haven]

youre fine

tt solves the stage

[fresh trench]

i sleep now nini everyone

[drifting quest]

just dont treat it like typical lr content where you have to burst asap

and you're fine

[quasi quarry]

I was so excited when I saw it cause I had completely forgotten its addition in cn and I tried it in real time, but it's ridiculously slow

[quartz horizon]

slow rots, sure

[tight haven]

ive had the same ops in them for, no joke, over a month

and theyre still not 200%

theyre absolutely useless

[fossil pendant]

UM is just asking you to break the mindset of every other gacha game time trial

its not a dps check so who cares if you play slow, just interact with the mechanic

which is nice

[tight haven]

mind you those ops were like 50-100%

[drifting quest]

its so good

genuinely cannot hype this umbral up enough

best endgame in the genre, imo

[quasi quarry]

im not sure how it actually works but it seems to stagnate after some point?? or maybe I was using those ops in stages and that's why their trust moved ever so slightly

regardless it's crap

[tight haven]

theyre just more places to decorate

i guess

[dense widget]

Some1 give me yvonne's skill priority please

Finally got enough for everything

[quasi quarry]

actually I forgot the standard banner has a selector reward too, but i feel that's gonna take veeery long

[fossil pendant]

yea we got how many standard ticket this patch

like 10 lmao

I'm still 178 away from standard selector

[dense widget]

I'm not very far from it personally

[tight haven]

ult > cskill > bskill > na

[dense widget]

(Spent 160 pulls on it)

[dense widget]

Why combo?

Isnt it like 15s cd too?

[drifting quest]

id expect it'll be a slow improvement to standard pull income

[tight haven]

its 19 at lv9

[drifting quest]

but 10/patch isnt too unreasonable

[tight haven]

18 at m3

if you care

[dense widget]

I'll think of it, thanks anyway

[tight haven]

ult >>>> anything else though

you can leave her bskill and cskill at lv9

[quasi quarry]

I'm at 180 away, although I have some pulls I haven't used still because I'm waiting to get a 10 pull total

[drifting quest]

maygi apparently has batk calced way higher

almost as high prio as ult

[tight haven]

what the fu

[drifting quest]

idk why i say apparently

[smoky quarry]

14

[tight haven]

@maygi

oh right

[tight haven]

fvck

[quasi quarry]

we get 6 per bp, it's kinda pitiful if the rest of those ten are from content

I hope we get more standard pulls from content for bigger patches

[smoky quarry]

batk from ult is scaled from ult though?

[drifting quest]

yes

this is just from

basic spam + finisher

[drifting quest]

not too different from other gacha in the genre

[smoky quarry]

there is no point to m3 batk, cause lava can't even use finisher half of the time

[drifting quest]

this is yvonne

no

[tight haven]

okay lemme watch her vid on it

that sounds pretty fucking funny if it actually does constitute that high of a ratio of her damage

[smoky quarry]

This is filler patch, next one will be better

1.1 isn't doing any good reputation for endfield though

[quasi quarry]

holy shit dude

[fossil pendant]

idt 1.1 is like

BAD

[tight haven]

yeah im almost done with the bp

[fossil pendant]

not spectacular though

same I'm 55 lol

[smoky quarry]

miraculously mid

[tight haven]

i actually dgaf abt any updates until we get proper repeatable endgame a la cc/is

[fossil pendant]

I just wish there were more reasons to interact with factory beyond setting it up once per patch

[tight haven]

endfield is fun and any more of it i will welcome

[fossil pendant]

I genuinely enjoy it more than the combat lol

[tight haven]

same

[smoky quarry]

god, please no

[daring dove]

Do you think it's optimal to play Yvonne over Tangtang outside her burst window though. I wonder who does more to control when not ulting Yvonne ultly.

[drifting quest]

should still be better yes

thanks to yvonne talent

id be shocked if it wasnt the case

[daring dove]

I maybe need to try it more on boss fights. I'm too used to using Tangtang all the time as she's way better for general content.

But in a boss fight Yvonne likely is the way then.

[smoky quarry]

How do I get solidifed 10 times?

[inner garnet]

Make a team with 1 operator, hang around the water enemies in wuling and intentionally get hit. Easiest is the big dudes at the end of the wuling city essence fight.

[drifting quest]

easy way to do it is just bring any cryo unit to umbral 3

and proc it a ton

[fossil pendant]

solidified on self for the achievement I think

which yeah just get hit by the big blob enemies

[smoky quarry]

cryo status expires faster than dude can stack it

enemies are ultrapassive

[drifting quest]

oh

assumed they meant the bp mission

you can do it on the wuling city

essence farm

when there's the 2 of them at the end of it

[smoky quarry]

A lot of dailies today

Now I can finally dive into hell after 90 minutes break

[daring dove]

I'm upto 1.8m Tcreds now, maybe I went a little overboard prefarming for Rossi.

[smoky quarry]

does he know?

[quasi quarry]

man I dont mind the first umbral stage but it really emphasises how dogshit the game's lock on system is

[drifting quest]

i forgot that even existed

ive never used it

[quasi quarry]

I use every it once in a while to remind myself how crap it is

skadidaijoubu

[daring dove]

On PC it really doesn't bother me at all as I simply don't use it period.

Maybe on mobile it's more required.

[near robin]

It can be handy at times. My Yvonne CS keep prioritizing frozen enemies instead of what I'm facing in front

[drifting quest]

i can see why itd be useful

maybe ill rebind it to an easier button and try it

[daring dove]

Starting to approach 6500 ATK on Tangtang without slab. Still a bit more artificing to do as well.

Wonder if having an extra 700 ATK is worth the 60 BS damage bonus.

[golden rapids]

for who do I make gears first? LR? and what gears they use

[daring dove]

Last Rite & Tangtang are top priority, then Xaihi & Gilberta are pretty much optional outside of required Ult gain for your rotation.

[golden rapids]

great, what gears lr use ?

[daring dove]

Unsure on last Rite her optiomal setup changed recently. @drifting quest may know on that one for Tangtang it's this.

[drifting quest]

there's 2 ways to build lr

i dont care for lr so i dont know a ton

but its uge vs no uge

basically

[outer ermine]

i fuckin hate this mino its a moveset grind

[drifting quest]

which is better depends on the 4th slot of the team, but both builds work anyway

[golden rapids]

ah nvm

[drifting quest]

you can give iana's doc a read through

[daring dove]

This was her old best setup which I'm still using. However if not P4 I think you need ult gain on chest.

[drifting quest]

it alone would give more info than I know

[golden rapids]

yep, its 1.0 tho

[drifting quest]

it should be 1.1 updated

[golden rapids]

in pins here i found 1.0 version

[drifting quest]

links to the right version to me

did you change page to the last rite one

or just view the home page

[golden rapids]

let me check on pc

[quasi quarry]

why do the arsonists on the second stage take so long to stagger

my pog's breach runs out before I can get it

ok im gonna use smth else phys is ass for this

[fossil pendant]

thinking about picking up khrav and building ice bc I'm bored

how much of tangtang's improvement to the team is literally just because she does tangible personal damage

[glass birch]

Like all of it

[drifting quest]

its a combination of personal damage, buff and qol

fast stack access, for example

[glass birch]

True. Cryo affliction on cast is nice for LR who used to need to do a full BA chain to get 1-2

[daring dove]

If you have sig her buff capabilities are pretty solid as well. Especially when you consider how easily she applies damage buff / debuff.

Also Tangtang's "tangible personal damage" kinda undersells it a little considering she's argubly the best DPS in the game rn & she's supposed to be a support.

[fossil pendant]

I mean yes but that is specifically something I don't care about

nothing in the game wants damage, I just want to not get cancer playing a character

[glass birch]

its ight. But nothing to really write home to. Its 5-10/10-15% susceptibility and 16.8% damage taken (at p5 weapon)

[fossil pendant]

I may pick her up without the sig, maybe

[quasi quarry]

used electric it was way easier to keep my resources till I can burst them down

[daring dove]

Yeah, but it's instantly applied pretty much with perma uptime. Most support buffs aren't nearly as easy to apply or as quickly or have as solid uptime.

For a buff prospective it's ok, from an uptime prospective it's top tier.

Gilberta for example gives a much bigger buff, but it's uptime leaves a lot to be desired. Although in nuke rotations it's still pretty serviceable.

[glass birch]

True gil has a 25% uptime (5s duration/20s cooldown)

Ardelia's is 100%

[fossil pendant]

are you actually meant to use tangtang's bs to apply cryo beyond the stack you get for pulling in her whirlpools normally or is it just a you have the option to do this instead of waiting for another FS proc for rite's bs

[daring dove]

Won't do anything outside of a boss fight though where you're setting it up.

Tangtang's applies immedately in pretty much all content.

That's why I think it's one of the better buffs in the game rn.

[glass birch]

Why we talking about LR in mobbing content though?

Lr's pretty ass in mobbing content regardless. If you're comparing TT to ardelia for mobbing TT just takes care of mobbing anyways because of her sheer amount of aoe dmg

[daring dove]

I'm not simply point out that a buff that applies for literally everything & has borderline no trigger conditions is a lot better than a buff that has a laundry list of them. So yeah the values maybe lower but the amount of time you make use of it is 20x higher.

Hence why she's one of the better buffers rn.

[glass birch]

I dont think any buff/debuff atm has a laundry list to procc. Outside maybe Rossi's CS buff since she needs both vuln and affliction to get it. Outside that everyone else's buffs/debuffs have just a single requirement

But yeah

Up-time wise it's solid since its 100 SP to consume whirlpools; requires 200 SP to set it up though (baseline not accounting return), its decent imo

[daring dove]

I mean coming from Genshin where tapping E is all I needed to trigger a characters full buffing capabilities. For me most of the characters in the game rn have pretty horrible buffing requirements. But I kind of accepted that as a reality for early character value. I think as the game progresses things will get easier to trigger & buff value increases.

[fossil pendant]

I think the nature of how buffs work in the game right now makes it a lot more interesting to play ngl

like carrying endmin's crystal atk% increase into the next combo window

[daring dove]

I suppose so, I just put a lot of value in QoL so the less hoops I have to jump through to trigger characters buffing conditions the better for me.

[fossil pendant]

now I have no arsenal tickets

oh is that a thing

mb

[daring dove]

All good, I think it's a bit ott personally but I don't make the rules.

[shut cobalt]

how much charge rate does xaihi and tangtang need?

[drifting quest]

depends on team and rot

[shut cobalt]

this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyay9A7zdSE

and im using this one as the rot since the pinned guide doesnt have it

[drifting quest]

i dont have the time right now to watch the video

but if the rot is typical which i cannot guarantee

er reqs will match those of the gear in iana doc

you'll need someone else to verify if the rot in the video is a typical one or a bad one

[shut cobalt]

its this, is it a good rotation?

hopefully its a good rotation?

[daring dove]

Hows everyone feeling about character buIlding resources now, as we're getting into the middle of 1.1 I'm starting to feel a lot less constained than at the start. Especially if you purchase battle pass.

It felt bad in 1.0, now resources are starting to feel ok, maybe a lot of that is the insane amount of sanity they have been giving out though.

[solemn sandal]

Guys I have question regarding Pog's ult

All it says was "Summons 4 Shield guards and 5 Steel Oath pts, and AFTER dealing status or pog cs, consumes 1 steel oath point to damage and recover SP"

If this is the case, isn't it better to;

Pog Ult, Lifeng ult, Lifeng&Chen BS, (4 status now, Decisive Assault activates, DA DOES NOT consume status), Pog BS, Lifeng CS, Chen Ult?

[lyric latch]

I have always been satisfied with the character building resources income but I am probably one of the people who invested in the least amount of characters in this channel. I only play Cryo for now and have LR TT at max investment (except potentials) and their common supports at lv80 skills mostly lv9. I have a lot of resources and barely had to farm anything aside from masteries.

[solemn sandal]

I wish sanity costs are half it is

I really enjoyed the Sanity Discount event

[solemn sandal]

Anyway can someone test it out?

[drifting quest]

1. Are you P1 Lifeng because the rot doesnt work otherwise
2. Better than what

[solemn sandal]

Sadly no P1

[solemn sandal]

My problem with 434/344 is that it takes so long and so much SP to do even with Pog

[drifting quest]

takes too long for what

[solemn sandal]

To wait for SP

Can't I like do it with just one burst

[drifting quest]

i mean if its like protocol space farming sure

but you can kinda just dump w/e there

[shut cobalt]

?

[honest hill]

not that bad now, I have a shit ton of resources e.g 2.2M t creds 400+ protohedrons, they have to keep pumping events but I do want more recurring combat events because umbral is quite boring ngl

[daring dove]

Yeah I'm in a similar position to yourself rn, tons of resources not sure who to invest into next (most likely Rossi). Even started to get a nice stockpile of Gel to max out an Essence quickly.

[fossil pendant]

gilberta sig should be pretty skippable right

considering stanza exists

I pulled to 60 for the dossier and she jumped me

not that I'm complaining

[dense widget]

how do you have 1.5k gel

😭

nvm you're just rich in everything

[drifting quest]

gilb sig is nice to have but its a premium buy

[fossil pendant]

it's between that and tt sig

[daring dove]

Tangtang sig is 3x higher priority to be honest.

[fossil pendant]

I did not expect

that to happen

lol

[daring dove]

She doesn't have a good alternative. Gilberta does.

[drifting quest]

Tangtang sig is like the best sig in the game right now, in terms of gains

[shut cobalt]

?

[honest hill]

yeah this is like mine minus the gels since I use em recently and blue hedrons like half of em lol, not pulling rossi because not interested at all since I have leva and hybrid looks weird w what units we got for her rn. I'm waiting for Mi fu (possibly) and Zhuang and the birb from v4 story

[daring dove]

Got yourself the whole premium ice team now assuming you also have LR.

[honest hill]

Ice team is basically complete w tt

i think

[drifting quest]

depends on definitions

[daring dove]

Yep, Tangtang + 3 empty spaces is still one of the best teams in the game rn.

[drifting quest]

a premium vanguard option is missing, plus arguably a 'better' buffer than xaihi to finish it

[honest hill]

my LR

[honest hill]

yeah need a vanguard

then it's 99% there

xaihi is alr so good

[lyric latch]

I am also awaiting a Cryo Vanguard

[fossil pendant]

I feel like there has to be a generalist vanguard not named akekuri in the works somewhere

[honest hill]

i don't think so

[drifting quest]

i wouldnt expect a generalist anytime soon but i would welcome it regardless

[honest hill]

every 6* vanguard that will come will prob be specific to a certain element or something

like how pog is for phys

[shut cobalt]

@drifting quest did u see this? i mean, u were helping me out and u just didnt afterwards

[drifting quest]

looks to be a rhodagn sandbagging rot

[shut cobalt]

is there a more general rot? assuming u need to dodge

[drifting quest]

does iana doc not have one for the tangtang team

[honest hill]

wym is that bad

[drifting quest]

i thought there was one

[drifting quest]

if its only there to beat up rhodagn then yes

[shut cobalt]

she does have for perlica but doesnt for gilberta for some reason

[drifting quest]

the rot should be very similar if not identical

just replacing perlica stuff for typical gilb stuff

[shut cobalt]

this is perlica's

[drifting quest]

looks more realistic at a glance

but again i dont care about last rite so i dont look at last rite tc

[shut cobalt]

but it shouldn't be the same as xaihi's gear is very different from gilberta to perlica

[honest hill]

I wish we had way more CC units

for other teams

phys team cooks umbral stage 2 so easy

other teams struggle

[drifting quest]

gilb holds xiranite

perlica cannot

[fossil pendant]

cc has been infinitely more valuable than damage

[drifting quest]

so you have xaihi on xiranite when perlica

[fossil pendant]

in the current state of the game

[honest hill]

for umbral it has yeah

[shut cobalt]

but, how do u get 74.8% ult gain with that set?

[drifting quest]

on xiranite?

[shut cobalt]

on the yellow kit one

[honest hill]

I hate how u really need CC for it

for that stage

[daring dove]

I wonder if Ice remains the strongest team in 1.2 or if the dynamic switches up towards a different element. I mean if Rossi has some silly modifier values on her skills it may not end up the strongest team in 1.1. But Rossi for me is still a complete unknowable if she'll be good or bad rn. I hope she's good just because we don't need another "potential" character we need another sure hit like Tangtang ideally.

Going to be interesting how things evolve.

[drifting quest]

either gilb stuff assumes precharged ult 1 rot

or the rot is different

again i dont look at lr tc

[honest hill]

didn't u say tt was a little overtuned

[shut cobalt]

is there someone u know that does look at lr tc?
ping him if so

[drifting quest]

couldnt name anyone who has deep dived off the top of my head

[shut cobalt]

or maybe ping iana himself idk, since hes the one that made the guide

[drifting quest]

there's a bunch of lr speedrunners but they speedrun

[outer ermine]

hmmm

[drifting quest]

the environments are always so peak for umbral

[honest hill]

always showing off huh

[daring dove]

Yeah, she is overtuned. She's argubly the best DPS depending on your defintions & Requirements. She's one of the better supports in the game right now. An to add to that she's great for applying inflictions even in AoE content. She really doesn't have a weakness outside of not providing the team tons of SP / healing.

[honest hill]

I hope they get rid of SP return or make it better , prob not best dps at P0 but higher pots ye I can see it

[fossil pendant]

sp return is a mechanic of all time

[honest hill]

a mechanic that shouldn't exist

[fossil pendant]

quite

[honest hill]

or they can make it into real sp

could just mean u instantly get more sp instead of generating it

[outer ermine]

i dont have enuf uge for this

[edgy crater]

p4

[outer ermine]

still not enuf

i wanna run catastrophe but either gil or xai gets fucked cuz theyre coping w no artif lol

stuck at 35 36

[honest hill]

have u tried swiping

maybe they'll add a food just for u

or something

for every uge % u pay $10

[pure spoke]

meanwhile my ass with lightnight speed clear
https://streamable.com/4iwzk4

[outer ermine]

[pure spoke]

[outer ermine]

3mins how fast r solos actually

[pure spoke]

around 3 min i would assume

[outer ermine]

almost died lol

[pure spoke]

ye the firework + smash isnt dodgeable so i ate it everytime. took me way to long to realize you just have to run away

[low viper]

wait, can tangtang be main carry?

[pure spoke]

always

[low viper]

i don't have gilberta tho 🙁

seems that she's pretty important

[pure spoke]

im using p0 tangtang. her clearspeed is as fast/faster than chen

oh nvm . talking about team xD

she cna solo trim medals tho

[outer ermine]

the enraged moveset is nice actually

didnt know it exist

[low viper]

run away? I always eat that skill, hence I had to pass the level by running lavacake + ember + snowshine + ardelia

[pure spoke]

ye you have to dodge once for firework and sprint away from the shockwave

cant dodge that i tried xD

and he spams it like 5 times in a row at the end

imo he is the hardest boss- for solo

[low viper]

yeah annoying af

also the shockwave kills teammate

[shut cobalt]

why does tangtang have to do final strike instead of last rite?

[pure spoke]

lmao oh true

[low viper]

even my 14000 hp vanguard gets burnt to death

[pure spoke]

i tried to dodge firework+ Jump because of the shockwave. but it seems like he hits u anyway midair before the impact of the shockwave

[low viper]

wut is this software/website

[shut cobalt]

pinned guide

[pure spoke]

the boss is cool tho

[low viper]

ehh why do i not find it

[shut cobalt]

its on the bottom of pins

[low viper]

still not able to find it... im blind i guess ><

[shut cobalt]

switch on the bottom there to the team u want

have u never used google docs before?

[low viper]

but i still cannot find that screenshot

[shut cobalt]

last rite > scroll down

[low viper]

oh i was looking at yvonne..

[outer ermine]

oh shit this is gonna be bug abuse and its great

[low viper]

thx... but i do wonder what software/website was used... i would try looking for some sauce

[shut cobalt]

that idk

[shut cobalt]

?

[outer ermine]

he starts prepping rage by 36-7

[low viper]

https://www.end-axis.com/timeline

found it

but it is seemingly chinese-only

oh it has language option

cn/en/ru

[low viper]

my complaint was it being uncommonly tanky. Bro is tankier than his boss Ruan Yi for a level you cannot take medicine into.

[pure spoke]

true. but its mainly the enrage mode tho

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/740849959888486453/1483821589517566064/meme.d09aaf60.gif

[potent hornet]

how is the new content?

[daring dove]

Good for 4.5 minutes of fun

[potent hornet]

i guess thats all we can ask for

i picked up ZZZ to hold me off until next big content update

gonna try to do that one all F2P

[honest hill]

I hate stage 2

these devs need help

they don't even look at feedback

[drifting quest]

im a big fan of new umbral

i will continue to say this

they cooked good

hoping its a trend

but knowing the average player it will get toned down sadly

actually engaging mechanics that stop you from playing rotation simulator with your brain off

decent hp amounts that arent bloated

actually threatening enemy attacks

[lyric latch]

it also made people change their teams to counter mechanics. well at least Physical did

[drifting quest]

ive done all 3 with laev, mono phys and tangtang main dps

didnt change it up

but i do like that it does encourage alternative teambuilding

i also like that you are not required to

[fossil pendant]

tbh I think it's healthy for phys specifically to have to play to counter stuff

considering that usually it just ignores shit via stagger

[drifting quest]

thats all i did this umbral

[lyric latch]

agreed

[quasi quarry]

did any of you actually have a comfortable time with phys on the second stage the arsonists take like 10 years to stagger

[drifting quest]

i think i was at about 3m

but i have no hands

can go faster for sure

[edgy crater]

u can still ignore it with pysical

[fossil pendant]

idk if you can realistically call it comfortable because the whole point of the stage is that you can't perfect dodge

but it was fine

[fossil pendant]

well yes that's the point

it could use more adversarial design

I did it with lae first on my phone then phys when I got home

[potent hornet]

yea i just went through with Xai, LR, Yvonne, and TangTang. last set was a bit more challenging i think

[summer flicker]

to give tangtang xaihi buff too

since it only give the one who do final strike

[safe sand]

whats "comfortable"

[drifting quest]

im such a huge fan of this umbrals gimmicks

they're genuinely so well designed

whoever it is on hypergryphs team working on it

master chefs

[fossil pendant]

very much a breath of fresh air being asked to play the game more like a sentient person and less like a rotation macro

in this genre as a whole

[drifting quest]

yeah

i would happily call current umbral monument the best endgame of any gacha in the genre

in my opinion, naturally

[shut cobalt]

so, u have to do final for one char then proceed to do the other to give the buff to both?

[lyric latch]

thats the ideia yeah

[shut cobalt]

i c, thanks

[vapid flame]

does anyone have the history of arsenal exchange buyable 6* weapons? is this correct:

grand vision
oblivion
valiant
clannibal
detonation unit
former finery
eminent repute
rapid ascent
clannibal

[drifting quest]

Grand Vision
Oblivion
Valiant
Clannibal
Detonation Unit
Former Finery
Eminent Repute
Oblivion
Rapid Ascent
Clannibal
||Valiant
Exemplar||

full until start of 1.2

spoiler tagged for ones not yet in rotation

(they came from datamines, validated by the same datamines being correct for rapid ascent and clannibal)

[vapid flame]

thanks, was hoping chivalric would come but saw clannibal again :/ i have like no good support weapons

[drifting quest]

3 reruns this patch sadly

quite a few weapons missing a first appearance

[idle eagle]

n valiants shit

[drifting quest]

lifengs second bis for now

id expect there's some metagaming to be had with potentially the male sankta being a physical support who also uses a polearm, to share valiant with

but that's ultimately pretty baseless speculation

after all Tangtang and Yvonne don't particularly share weapon choices, Rossi and Chen feels like more of a coincidence

[fast ledge]

Is the basic/standar hh will change ? Or add more operator *6 ?

[drifting quest]

impossible to tell

unlikely anytime soon

[fierce nest]

3 in a row arsenal tickets today from credit shop

[bronze plume]

big 60 tickets

[ocean turret]

rossi, ember, akekuri, pog

[drifting quest]

certainly a team

[bronze plume]

thats the reaction for all rossi teams

[drifting quest]

i suppose

[bronze plume]

twitter is even funnier saw the post showing rossi from endfield official top comment was who does she replace in physical top awnser was chen

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah its either chen or lifeng

[ocean turret]

[drifting quest]

if you insist on using her

there's maybe an argument for lifeng these days

[fierce nest]

chen is forever, the only one who will replace chen is chen alter

[bronze plume]

the arguement is she has 2 arms lifeng doesnt shes clearly better

[twilit quail]

theyre gonna fuck up the numbers somehow

and playing into her mechanics is gonna not be worth it

[edgy crater]

[twilit quail]

is my read

[edgy crater]

inflated number?

[drifting quest]

yeah thats on par with other people

[ocean turret]

rossi have the same vul applier as chen. she just convert arts into 1 vuln.

chen is still better, since she doesnt need so many requirements

[drifting quest]

her vuln application should be worse than chens

[ocean turret]

true

[drifting quest]

on average

[ocean turret]

cause u need atleast 2 people to make reach her full potential

[drifting quest]

its just sp issues yes

[edgy crater]

technically ange alone enough

[drifting quest]

we also dont know if rossi combo procs as soon as its cooldown ends, afaik

[bronze plume]

she needs

[ocean turret]

ange??

[bronze plume]

someone better in the heat category for her

therefore

[drifting quest]

or if it only procs when you apply

[edgy crater]

gilberat

[bronze plume]

wulfgard alter 1.3

[ocean turret]

yeah but gilberta still needs another operator to active her cs

[twilit quail]

gil shifts structure and lets you take another unit that is like

half a support basically

on top of being able to hit rossi conditionals

but it doesnt like free up the slot completely

[ocean turret]

true, and susceptibility

[twilit quail]

the one like really complete core

is rossi gil wulf

and then vuln spender in last slot

but I think they will just fuck up the numbers tuning

and something weird is going to be optimal

[ocean turret]

sp hungry

[twilit quail]

it's just da pan

in the last slot I think

[fierce nest]

pog

[drifting quest]

a lot of people seem to think its just not gonna be worth having a consumer

because the damage is so gimped

[bronze plume]

the problem is if you have a vuln spender wont sp just be beyond dogshit

[ocean turret]

akekuri, pog will fix that

[twilit quail]

it's just da pan

[drifting quest]

dapan is 0 sp spending

[twilit quail]

he spends 0

[drifting quest]

combo ult only

[twilit quail]

and if you give him 1 sp

he can do 2 crush per rotation

[drifting quest]

its just a case of if his damage share beats another buffer and trying to buff rossi arts damage more

[twilit quail]

but pog might be better

[bronze plume]

would it just be rossi spending sp in that team?

[twilit quail]

if giving rossi 52% atk is more worth

[drifting quest]

there's also like rossi shatter

[twilit quail]

rossi is like 35/65 phys/magic

[drifting quest]

but it looks a lot like tangtang shatter

[bronze plume]

magic

[twilit quail]

and it's honestly

[drifting quest]

in that you can just run chen

and do it better

[drifting berry]

Also how does Gilberta even fit on Rossi teams, like Gil can buff Rossi's damage but wouldn't all the arts susceptibility go to waste for the other operators? unless I got it wrong, idk

[twilit quail]

not impossible for ard to be usable

[drifting quest]

i think its not unrealistic to see gilb dropped too yeah

rossi ard wulf crusher

[twilit quail]

gil and wulf can hit all rossi conditionals

with 2 bars spent

it's not perfect compatibility

partially because rossi fire stack is only applied at end of ult which is cancer

but oh well

[bronze plume]

shes so cooked

[twilit quail]

I think asking this question at all

is indicative of a lack of understanding

[bronze plume]

5morbillion% dmg numbers rossi plz

[twilit quail]

of what the unit is even doing

[drifting berry]

Never used physical

[twilit quail]

this unit isnt physical

[drifting quest]

there's a good chance that rossi being physical is cosmetic

and her arts damage share is most of her damage profile

[gritty briar]

okay just got home and did the umbrals

[fresh trench]

is it that bad?

i heard second or third one is bad

[gritty briar]

i think i'm not doing the first or second stage with 4 stars, but they were pretty reasonable with a more normal team

[ocean turret]

perlica gil

[drifting quest]

its a skill check

if you can dodge

big fan of it

[fresh trench]

i heard something about solidification

[drifting quest]

actually engaging stages

[gritty briar]

3rd stage i did first try and then did it again with 4 star only on my second run

[bronze plume]

oh theres new umbrals

[twilit quail]

I think the new stages would be good if we like had more units in the game but we dont

[drifting quest]

im really hyped for future umbrals

following this one

[edgy crater]

aint daat basically ember lol

[twilit quail]

well ember is just a physical unit

[drifting quest]

ember is cosmetic heat unit

yeah

rossi could be cosmetic physical in the same sense

i dont think it will be that extreme

[fresh trench]

isnt she physical?

[twilit quail]

physical share of dmg is considerable

for rossi

[drifting quest]

ember is a heat unit

who has like no heat interaction at all

[gritty briar]

fake heat character

[twilit quail]

so it's not insane at all for the team damage split

to actually be 50/50

or even more in physical favour

[fresh trench]

real

[twilit quail]

but if anyone is benched in the core

it would be wulf

[drifting quest]

all we have to go off is the devs saying ult is her biggest damage share

[edgy crater]

so dual dps setup for rossi?

[ocean turret]

her skills are heat

[drifting quest]

which is very ambiguous as to what exactly it means

[twilit quail]

depends on number tuning

[fresh trench]

physical heat team when

[drifting quest]

there's dual dps in rossi + crusher
and there's dual dps in rossi + perlica

[twilit quail]

ember being heat at all is basically purely detrimental

[bronze plume]

when rossi is out but itll just be worth then a full heat or physical team

[twilit quail]

if she applied fire stack + vuln everyone would be soyjaking

but she doesnt

[bronze plume]

unl;ess they give rossi crack for her numbers

[ocean turret]

rossi, ember, akekuri, pog

[twilit quail]

they have to

[bronze plume]

tbf with how much hype rossi had

she could be shit and still sell well

[drifting quest]

id prefer if rossi is mid and they continue to make kits like it

we dont need tangtang style powercreep every unit

[fresh trench]

chat im tired,now i finish my purpose i think i will make other silly build like chen ult gain cause she is only like what 70 energy with 15% discount 😭

but all ult gain come with int stats

she will explode

[bronze plume]

the only reason rossi has physical at all is so they can release 1 physical character each patch

[ocean turret]

rossi has so many team comps, you stop thinking whats the best teammates for her at this point

[bronze plume]

get consumed by the phys

[ocean turret]

i can even use rossi, chen, ake, pog

oh w8 i dunno how to activate chen's cs without using her bs

scrap it

[bronze plume]

she has so many potential team comps

[ocean turret]

ember it is

[bronze plume]

doesnt make them all good

[ocean turret]

true

[drifting quest]

once you stop caring about what's optimal any team works

because of that tc has no reason to exist

[bronze plume]

well

obviously

[drifting quest]

hence why we mostly tend to look at just what is optimal

[ocean turret]

fortmaker better for akekuri or obj edge of ightess?

[drifting quest]

obj for heat or electric teams mostly
fortmaker for any other teams and some niche rotations for laev

ideally you grab thermite whenever it comes in shop, 1.2+

[ocean turret]

ohh okee

oke oke

[fierce nest]

what foodbuff to use? ginseng or kunst tube?

[drifting quest]

ginseng is almost always better than kunst

but ginseng vs jakubs is more contested

[main nova]

Laev stuck with her heat mechanic, on other hand her mechanic is really effective with her current cheap team, befitting to 1.0 character.

Yvonne is more flexible tbh

cryo kinda have more variation currently

physical, still trying their best to say the least

[drifting quest]

2 of the 3 'meta' cryo teams basically do the same thing with different main dps units

and then 3 of the 4 slots are always the same in any optimal team, only the last is flex and the flex options while theoretically varied are practically narrow when considering optimal setups

not sure id call it more flexible than laev who is in a very similar slot

[bronze plume]

tldr there isnt actually much variation for any teams

simply due to lack of units

[main nova]

true

[bronze plume]

me when 1.1 of a gacha

[ocean turret]

We need more rossi-like teams. But i hope they don't all end up having gilberta as recommended teammate

[drifting quest]

id certainly be all for more kits like rossi's

but it depends on how she sells, most likely

if she flops financially then we likely just end up with kits aligned with the ones that do sell

[ocean turret]

Many people will definitely use her because of versatility

[bronze plume]

the problem with her versatility is shes just worse then pure heat or phys

unit and if we get units better suited to doing both while also doing stuff for rossis kit

therefore

[compact bridge]

Rossi is pretty good as a character tbh, the problem is dev forgot to introduce 5* and 4* char on rossi release

[bronze plume]

wulfgard alter 1.3

[glass birch]

[ocean turret]

Do you think well get future 4 star?

[drifting quest]

impossible to tell

[bronze plume]

id hope at worst we get like a set each x.0

[glass birch]

4 stars? Maybe not. 5 stars? Possibly.

[drifting quest]

the 4* currently has one of each weapon type and 1 of each element

so if we get new elements and/or new weapon types it's likely we get a new 4* to go with those

[ocean turret]

Aether element

More combinations

[compact bridge]

If they only develop new 6* characters, it will be very very slow on team roster upgrade

Like we dont want 3 whole patch only to complete rossi team

[glass birch]

Rossi is just a heat striker in guard clothing

[summer flicker]

3 whole patch for yvonne team

clueless

[glass birch]

Legit rossi's whole kit is designed around building up to her ult

[compact bridge]

Yvonne team pretty much finished with 1.0 and 1.1 imo

I doubt they will introduce new 6* that can replace xiahi

[summer flicker]

or maybe they will

[drifting quest]

i mean yvonne would happily drop gilb for something like a premium vanguard or another cryo buffer

and xaihi is more replaceable than you think

[frozen tide]

#1 xaihi hater

Stone this man

[drifting quest]

i do rag on her a lot to be fair

[compact bridge]

I do agree gilb is replaceable on yvonne team, mainly because of her nature stack

[manic mountain]

I currently have a P4 Sundersteel for Chen, and I still have 1 Dark Tide weapon selector to get Glorious memory and only take it to P4, is this worth doing this or is the damage inc very negligible?

[drifting quest]

damage increase if you play into it is decently notable
but if you dont need the dps increase why bother

[frozen tide]

Gm is significant increase

[compact bridge]

But replacing gilberta is not as urgent as replacing akekuri or wulfgard for laeva lol

[frozen tide]

Tho for general use

Ss is fine

[glass birch]

You could build a pretty normal Heat Carry team for Rossi and be fine. Actually might end up being the go-to depending on modifiers for her phys damage.
Rossi pairs extremely well with Gilberta and wulf. Could throw in Perlica maybe as that last slot or Akekuri (Electrification vs. Link)

Another way to go about it is focusing on combo damage and use operators like Endmin/Dapan, ardelia, and pog like a psuedo phys team

[frozen tide]

Gm is ult loading

[drifting quest]

there's a lot of rossi stuff to test

since we get no numbers early

[glass birch]

yeah still kinda pissy we havent gotten any numbers yet

[drifting quest]

alas i am forced to skip her because i pulled tangtang

so i gotta bug other people to test it all

[frozen tide]

Against stuff you don't chen ult ss is probably a little better

But against bosses gm is big

[glass birch]

I'm definitely gonna be getting her so I can run some tests

[frozen tide]

Half the akef players are pulling her

Shouldn't be hard

[drifting quest]

i havent seen too many in the tc communities that are

[edgy crater]

trust in dossier pull lol

[drifting quest]

other than like cc's who pull everything or whales

[glass birch]

I've gotten both Yvonne and Gil in 30 pulls so it shouldnt be that hard

[ocean turret]

If thats the case use akekuri since sp regen is so scarce

[drifting quest]

im probably going to throw 30 (+10) at her banner

10 free, 5 login, 5 shop, 10 paid and then extra 10 dossier

so i can cope

[compact bridge]

Soon people are gonna run out of their pulls lol

[ocean turret]

I have 80 pulls ready. And then i lost 50:50

[frozen tide]

You can prob squeeze 40 minimum

Gl brohamster

[drifting quest]

i dont hit 120 so im not gonna throw pulls

spending 10 is what im fine with

[compact bridge]

I already spent like 250 pulls since release, hopefully i have enough pulls left for rossi

[summer flicker]

too broke for rossi

unless i hit her in the free 20 pull

[ocean turret]

I know Rossi doesn't need a healer since she can heal on her crit

But it still depends on how much healing is that

[drifting quest]

i mean we've been running healerless comps for ages

just play better

the tc special

[ocean turret]

Yeah but not everyone can play better

And potato phone adds to that too

[edgy crater]

learn n practice

[drifting quest]

one of those things we dont tend to consider in tc because its like

[edgy crater]

[ocean turret]

Casual would nevah

[drifting quest]

just a given

[ocean turret]

Looks like everyone is tired today

[frozen tide]

There also isn't like a super convinient healer either tbh

Picking up sheep and using ard bs is annoying

[compact bridge]

More like there is no way to actually calc the healing impact on dps

[gritty briar]

I've never built my ardelia but watching my friends runs around grabbing sheeps to heal looks so annoying

my comfort team has xaihi so i've never had to deal with it

[frozen tide]

I just meant guides would care more for including heal options

If healing with chars wasn't a hassle

[compact bridge]

Shield like amber should be the way

[frozen tide]

Shields not blocking stagger is sadge

Can't even true afk

[compact bridge]

Because aint no way we got an entire class as useless class

[frozen tide]

Im sure defender will get some good char eventually

[twilit quail]

save the defender society mi fu

[frozen tide]

Mi fu is gonna be thanos trust

[ocean turret]

Mifu, electric defender

Uses arts unit

[compact bridge]

Nah, mifu is cryo vanguard

[ocean turret]

Hell nah

U just wanna pair her to tangtang

I mean if its electric much bettah

[terse raptor]

fangyi's support

[ocean turret]

Yehhh

[frozen tide]

Plz no

Im gonna go bankrupt

Had to spend for tt already

[compact bridge]

You are gonna go bankrupt either way

Mi fu is basically guaranteed to be in 1.2

[main nova]

this arknight make defender class useless

[frozen tide]

What im saying is if another cryo unit releases that soon

Im cooked

[main nova]

tho they r hot af

[frozen tide]

Tbh

Defenders

Do serve a purpose

Imo

They are really good at keeping you alive

[main nova]

their assets keeping me alive

[terse valley]

https://tenor.com/view/mudrock-arknights-mudrock-arknights-arknights-mudrock-spin-gif-25440684

they will

[frozen tide]

This is not derogatory

Im being genuine

I think if i was disabled or smth but still wanted to enjoy akef

And play everything

[edgy crater]

defender on Enfield like

[frozen tide]

I'd run defender and would have a lot better of a time

Both exploration and boss fights

[main nova]

i try to build amber crit to cope, but it still below mid

[frozen tide]

They are really good for tanking hits

[main nova]

something about the kit just not right

[edgy crater]

not for environment damage

[main nova]

[terse valley]

bro

ember doesnt want a dedicated crit build

[main nova]

cant even cope man

[edgy crater]

just do stagger build on her, hg literally give ember privilege

literal perfect gear set, including the stat

[terse valley]

and we got the new swordmancer pieces perfect for her

[terse raptor]

sm beacon is perfect for stagger ember

[frozen tide]

What privilege

[main nova]

i will try to farm it then

[edgy crater]

perfect gear in effect n stat

str will + pysical bonus + sm set

[frozen tide]

Huh

[edgy crater]

theres 0 dead stat on her gear right now

[frozen tide]

Stagger ember is aight yeah

Esp with sundered

[terse valley]

have you been using MI on ember

[frozen tide]

Brain malfunction

Meant stagger

Which is what the convo is on

Idk how that happened

[edgy crater]

bruh, drink water

[frozen tide]

Truke

Im dry af

[terse valley]

dont say that

[frozen tide]

Whar

[open narwhal]

stay hydrated

[peak void]

stay high and dry

[inland quarry]

How is the new umbral monument with physical? Do you just ignore/stagger the second one?

I'm fairly sure you can facetank the enrage

Although the very easy solution is to bring one operator with inflictions

[edgy crater]

stagger turbo

birds n arsonist== chen flipper

[fierce nest]

chen proving yet again her goated status

[inland quarry]

Phys has pretty good cc from what I've seen

Lift/stagger

[glass birch]

Chen's not a goat, she's a Lung!

https://giphy.com/gifs/chen-qianyu-arknights-SO1691G9QyQFAXkqBL

[terse raptor]

[glass birch]

[fierce nest]

[frozen tide]

They do have by far best stagger

[glass birch]

Considering every application of Vuln (Outside breach and Crush) has stagger attached to it and theres a literal set or 2 of gear that provides even more stagger. Yes.

[dry kindle]

I wonder why 🗿

[twilit quail]

in 2 years every team is mixed wallahi

minimum 3 statuses involved

[glass birch]

It'll all be Avy's fault

[frozen tide]

Leave me alone meanies im just responding to the guy talking abt phys cc

[dry kindle]

• perma corrosion 4

[frozen tide]

300 arts intensity corrosion electrification

Minimum requirement to do dmg

[dry kindle]

300 intensity corro 🗣️

[glass birch]

[main nova]

85 intelligence among the 300

i wish i can make low intelligence team, but lacking 2 other dummies

[edgy crater]

lr technically got 93 int

[glass birch]

Didyouknow, Ember has 86 Int. She's a whole 1 Int smarter than Chen and TT

[main nova]

YOU ARE RIGHT

I have 3

[glass birch]

Yvonne has 82 str

[frozen tide]

Who has highest base str

[edgy crater]

ember?

[main nova]

probably due to hunger

[drifting quest]

ember has 1 more str than dapan

[fresh trench]

int scale for each time she eat food,lower the food the harder to control her 😭

[remote fern]

I did the thing, what gear do I give her?

[peak void]

is chen atk normally this low? im too used to seeing 5k on fully built characters

[fresh trench]

go rest in wuling?

wuling give buff so sometime it inflated

[peak void]

this is my endmin outside of wuling tho

but i do understand her weapon gives atk% second line

[compact bridge]

5* vs 6*

[peak void]

oh that makes more sense

does the base atk also differ between character rarities

[dry kindle]

Barely

[fresh trench]

i believed just because stats distribution

dps generally have higher main stats

[dry kindle]

Chens are still spikes

At least AGI anyway

[compact bridge]

Im not surprised if gilberta has more base atk than chen tbh

[dry kindle]

297 vs 329

[peak void]

which ones gilb

[dry kindle]

329

[fossil pendant]

only secondary stat not artificed

[peak void]

GM diff

[dry kindle]

Yinlin diff

[peak void]

wtf yinlin jumpscare

[fossil pendant]

oh you run swordmancer too

[peak void]

i guess its just rarity diff fr

both character and weapon

[fossil pendant]

yea

[peak void]

yh i dont like how yinlung feels

also wanna maximize this talent

[terse valley]

first off she dont want that sword 😭 🙏

[fresh trench]

Max essecne yet?

[peak void]

yeap

just finished chen essence 5 minutes ago

[fossil pendant]

oh a thunderberge puller

thoughts and prayers

[peak void]

^ fr

[dry kindle]

Just max stack sundering then check

[peak void]

maybe ill hit 4k but thats it

[fresh trench]

What going on here

[dry kindle]

You're missing 24% atk so 🗿

[fresh trench]

U telling me she have lower atk than my ardelia

[peak void]

is it really that good

i imagine 24% is just gonna hit me 4k

[remote fern]

I’m going to use it regardless

[dry kindle]

What R

[peak void]

4

[terse valley]

well ur making her a tank/healer?

[fossil pendant]

you may as well just build her with lynx and all in her healing then because you are not fielding her with that weapon

[dry kindle]

Then yea 24

[terse valley]

all in healing, or all in UGE idfk

ember healing from combo and shield from ult contradicts each other

...or is it?

[fossil pendant]

sig encourages you to lean into the shield more yea

[terse valley]

yeah but you can just shield after combo

and when the shield is down the combo should be ready again

...it's a 19s cd combo and a 10s duration ult nvm

[fossil pendant]

realistically wtf are you doing to need all that anyways tbh

[terse valley]

Good question

[rare zodiac]

Go for the funni thickest Ember

[terse valley]

didn't even M1 her ult smh my head

[gritty briar]

wtf that's so much hp

[terse valley]

5k shield

[rare zodiac]

Her sig give 4k shield after combo

[gritty briar]

as much health as an entire team

[terse valley]

what boss can even deplete that within 10s

[gritty briar]

what could even kill her?

[rare zodiac]

M3 would be 8k

Because the shield bonus from sig

[terse valley]

u dont even need m3

just m1 for the hp scaling

[rare zodiac]

If only she have some sort of buff (that not p5) I really like team with balance dps and survivability

Ember is like Zhongli pre buff, an immovable object, but nothing outside of that

[daring dove]

Still not showed off Rossi’s weapon with drip marketing right?