theorycrafting

[outer ermine]

[cinder oxide]

Classic reset

[edgy elk]

[outer ermine]

my dumbass resetted too fast to process what happened

[edgy elk]

new tech?

no kb on fs???

[cinder oxide]

Insta dead??

Bug where another rho spawns in??

[outer ermine]

i sac the kb to fs mid air

[cinder oxide]

Anyway back to practicing my YVTT kill setup

[edgy elk]

@outer ermine how long does it take u to setup the pre-battleskills from lr and xai

im bad at that so im just gonna take the time of my rot from bossbar and add ur setup time

assuming LR controlled

[normal tangle]

twin it's in the clip

[edgy elk]

clip's not a serious run i dont think
it's 23 seconds

[normal tangle]

this one

[edgy elk]

bilibili clip starts with tt

ah fk

17 seconds

nvm

[outer ermine]

like 2.3 from load

[edgy elk]

oh i was using 3.7

19.06-5.7+2.3=15.66

[outer ermine]

oh from load to hp

[edgy elk]

from load to hp yeah

i guess still not fast enough then

[outer ermine]

3s to 3.2 if good, actually i wanna try something

[edgy elk]

whats ur idea

[fossil spade]

Um does anyone have any tips in getting trimmed with an Yvonne, Soup2, Xaihi and Gilberta team?: II still haven't gotten "Colapse her pale Image" Medal trimmed

[edgy elk]

soup+yvonne bs should be able to kill a tentacle each

speed through phase 1 and rotate as normal for the boss

show gear?

[outer ermine]

timing tt fs

its too short thi

o

i gotta do the rot on pc to actually see how good the strat is w tt ult

i dont mind this lr fs start too w/o tt ult

[fresh trench]

time to farm meats and snail meats

i wish they sell it for weekly reset

like jacob legacy

[outer ermine]

the vision for no tt ult

swap into bs to avoid kb

missed bs too slow on mobile

[fresh trench]

hit canceling swap??

what u doing btw? it seem you try to canceling the first hit he do

[outer ermine]

fs mid air

[edgy elk]

@outer ermine when does timer start? when the first orange line appears?

[dusk isle]

Can you get hit by lr and swap to tang after ?

[edgy elk]

nope, op swap is disabled while kb

unless some tech

like bs immunity or smth

[outer ermine]

when u see the obj at the left side or when u see something on screen, its very faint but ye

[dusk isle]

Oh got it, i was wondering if you could not get the recovery animation

[outer ermine]

theres like 2 frames of room to swap after fs hits

swap there and bs to completely avoid kb

[edgy elk]

i also tried that and thought it wasnt possible

well guess it is

[edgy elk]

like the first frame of fade-in?

[outer ermine]

the clip is that one rn just didnt register my bs click

yea

[edgy elk]

fk. 17 seconds

i guess tt ult is just slow af

[outer ermine]

[edgy elk]

oh i think i can get one down to 16 with tt ult strat

see if u can optimize it or smth

[outer ermine]

2s is huge

[edgy elk]

timed it btw. ult is 2.7s

[outer ermine]

oh i was close

[fresh trench]

this remind me of horse i-frame from elden ring

[outer ermine]

2.7s of i cant do shit

fs midair

tt ult ver
lr xai bs
prep lr fs, tt ult, lr fs, buffer dive atk
xai ult, ard tt cs
tt bs, kb on lr, lr cs, ard bs, tt bs

its prob not worth ngl

[edgy elk]

not worth

kb too much stun

im trying a ver where i backload the kb til after i press lr cs

so i just tank it

[outer ermine]

kb is fine since u need that small ass time for ard to pop anyway but missing xai 10%

[edgy elk]

yeah...

i have no concept of p5-lvl dmg tho

is that 10% fatal or

[outer ermine]

we playing perfect frame w fs to swap then

it matters yeah

the 16s looked like a oneshot but cs hit at 16.28 and killed at 16.3 w jakubs lr, ginseng tt, +15 xai, jakubs ard

[edgy elk]

oh wow

close

im assuming u maxed everything to be maxed

[outer ermine]

im trying to compensate w crit tt later on and pray to win the 1/3

[edgy elk]

[outer ermine]

least degenerate lr rot, just perfect frame

i can play on pc later, engrave the timing to my fingers

[outer ermine]

trying to +6 chiv will for more xai dmg

aside from that just artif

[edgy elk]

is perfect frame even possible on mobile

or just pc just press swap op and battleskill button at the same time

[outer ermine]

need more timing than speed on mobile since u can press like 3 buttons at once

pc just be fast

thats why i like testing rots on mobile then improving it on pc

[dry kindle]

[outer ermine]

lots of accidents on mobile too and sometimes its good and then i replicate on pc

ult cs cs incident

[edgy elk]

@outer ermine now that i think ab it... is everything just about optimization at this point?
since tt ult lasts so long the surefire strategy would just be 2 fs+xai cs+tt bs
and it's just a matter of how to get there...?

[outer ermine]

2ttbs catastrophe things

yeah its just playing around w stacks

1 fs is locked to be lr

[edgy elk]

if ur gonna do 2 fs anyway what's the benefit of catastrophe tt

i thought the issue was the 10% dmg taken from xai cs

[outer ermine]

catastrophe on ard, need that last bit of burst to finish

rhod hp has to be atleast 50% b4 lr cs

or it wont kill

[edgy elk]

yeah
cuz CS 1M and tt 150kish

if perfect frame can u lr midair strike -> swap tt bs dive (no kb) -> swap xai instead of dash-canceling out of tt

xai fs seq a lot faster than tang's

[outer ermine]

no tt ult ver so far

xai lr bs, prep lr fs
lr fs mid air, lr bs, tt swap bs (swap back to xai?)
xai ult, ard tt cs
ard tt bs xai fs
tt bs, xai lr cs

yea that was the plan

lr w cancels is still slower than xai locked in ult

[edgy elk]

what if u xai ult while he's in midair

then u dont needa care ab xai's i-frames and can start her fs etc right away

[outer ermine]

im overwriting cs slow w xai ult

[outer ermine]

i need a video of that i cant read

[edgy elk]

no i just mean, xai ult locks her attacks for a bit

so if u xai ult while he's leaping u get around that

[edgy elk]

but u explained this

[outer ermine]

i have to test, since itll come close w these interactions

since as a rule i always group cs together, never perfect dodge, or hide all of them vehind ults

[edgy elk]

ya i get that

xai ult: ~1.6s
tt ult: ~2.75s

timed both of em. how tf is xai's so short

[dry kindle]

When we doing real time farm stage speedruns smhsmhsmh

[outer ermine]

tt bs bs

done ggs

[edgy elk]

???

[outer ermine]

[edgy elk]

what happened

new strat or

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[outer ermine]

c and b is pretty close together ngl

[edgy elk]

how long's LR's cs animation

[dry kindle]

Yes.

[edgy elk]

from press to impact

[outer ermine]

i forgor but u gotta time mirage hit + cs for shortest time

[edgy elk]

i lowkey forgot that ult can overwrite cs time slow

im gonna look at the tt ult strat again, prolly not gonna be useful but idk u never know

what's ur target time? sub15?

[outer ermine]

yeah

[edgy elk]

[outer ermine]

hopefully break 14 even just .99

i dont wanna lose to phy this time

[edgy elk]

so assuming rho lands at 6s we have 9 seconds to get 4 stacks + xai ult

7.4s of action time

with tt ult too that'd be 4.7s

[outer ermine]

20+ inputs in 7.4s

[dry kindle]

Imagine losing to phys

[outer ermine]

theyre still behind but getting there, that dorito phase 2 skip for 48s was funni af

[slate cargo]

So Im building up my last rite team with tangtang, xaihi and perlica and based on guides Ive seen its

Lastrite:
Sig Weapon
Swordmancer Light Armor
Tide Surge set for Gloves/Acc

Tangtang:
Sig Weapon
4 piece boncrusher

Xaihi
Detonation Unit
Redeemer Armor
Xiranite Gloves
Frontiers O2 tubes x2

Perlica
Stanza of Memorials
Pulsar Labs Chest
Hot Work Gloves
Plusar Labs Calibrator x2

Which is how I now have them set up, but I noticed that noone is running a full xiranite set? is that ok? Or should I make Xaihi run it instead of INT build?

[edgy elk]

virtually no difference.
with how de/buffs are calculated the gains of intmax vs the loss of xira roughly cancel each other out

update: ran the numbers. intmax gives 0.2% more final damage than xira

[terse valley]

remind me rossi EBS applies phys and heat susc right? and they stack with things like ardelia EBS?

[edgy elk]

forgor if it was susc or damage taken. but debuffs within a multiplier group stack yes

[terse valley]

right so u wanna do rossi EBS before ult

[terse raptor]

damage taken

[slate cargo]

Thanks! 😂

[edgy elk]

intmax (left) and xira (right)
do it for the 1.03k

[peak void]

whats the UGE on a maxed redeemer slab

is it 33% on the dot

[odd wren]

Losing on what lmao

[peak void]

its 33.4

[edgy elk]

killing rho from load

hi @odd wren i barely see u in #team-build anymore

this ur new home or smth

[odd wren]

Nothing to do there

[odd wren]

Also how is lr losing what

I mean fastest ive seen with stacked physical team is 17 haha

There's no way lr will lose

[edgy elk]

apparently it's 15 now

or pushing 15

LR either needs 2 fs's or pull some really crazy-fast tang shit to get going

idk about phys

hifumi found a perfect frame strat that plus xaihi fs might break 15s

[glass wind]

Whats POG's main dmg? His Ultimate?

[ebon thicket]

Hey, is arclight good enabler for electric in general, or just for avywenna? I’m trying to predict if she’d be in ZFY’s main team.

[wispy shuttle]

i think in avy team you want to use akekuri instead, or as a good alternative

[dense widget]

pog doesn't aim to dammage, he restores sp and apply breach

tho i'd say its probably his skill

[drifting quest]

arclight is in a rough spot

[fresh trench]

BRUH

[drifting quest]

expensive to utilise and does not give out equal to what you have to put in

[fresh trench]

I WAS DOING SOLO ARDELIA AND FORGOR TO CHANGE SET

[odd wren]

Oh wow

[ocean turret]

anyone have ideas for rossi team?

[drifting quest]

there's some 10 or so 'possible' rossi teams

like 4-5 archetypal ones

we do not know which will be good, if any or all

until we get rossi numbers later this week

[ocean turret]

insane

[vast tulip]

So I just got the Weapon Supply from the Protocol Pass. Which weapon should I get? Home Longing, Glorious Memory, Opus: Etch Figure, Navigator, or Umbral Torch?

[ocean turret]

depends on who you wanna build

[wispy shuttle]

dont get a weapon until you know that you want it, thats for sure

or until you actually intend to use it

[digital scroll]

In theory Rossi/Gilberta/Akekuri/Endmin has the most synergy

[drifting quest]

Umbral Torch - Only good right now as a cope option for Laevatein
Opus - Not good except as a very very niche Gilberta 3rd or 4th pick
Navigator - Cope Yvonne option, Giga Cope Tangtang option
Home Longing - Cope Tangtang option
Glorius Memory - New Chen BIS, Likely Cope Rossi option

[vast tulip]

Okay I think I'll pick Glorious Memory then. Chen needs a better sword cuz Aspirant just ain't doin it

[digital scroll]

Glory to the box cutter

[vast tulip]

I don't have it sadly :(

[odd wren]

Chen memory is dope

[vast tulip]

Holy moly the damage

[wispy shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[digital scroll]

What if Rossi sig is better for Chen than memory

[drifting quest]

we could not say

until we see it

which is why as always

[vast tulip]

Speaking of Cutters... Prog's recommended weapons are Thermite Cutter and Never Rest... which of the two should I opt for?

He has Fortmaker currently

[drifting quest]

the longer you wait before committing to selecting something the better

thermite is better than NR right now, may change in future

gap isnt significant

[digital scroll]

Thermite is better typically

[drifting quest]

thermite is easier to get and works for other units as well

cheaper too

[vast tulip]

Gotcha. Since I just got Sundering Steel should I go with that or stick with Fortmaker for now?

[drifting quest]

on pog? fortmaker

[wispy shuttle]

the box cutter is sundering steel

[vast tulip]

oh okay I thought you meant Thermite Cutter lol

[wispy shuttle]

in the context of chen you wouldnt run that on her no,

[vast tulip]

What about Pog?

[wispy shuttle]

we just discussed that, thermite cutter, or fortmaker if you dont have it

[vast tulip]

alright I just wanted to double check

get more opinions and all that

[drifting quest]

thermite > nr > fortmaker >>>>>>>>> else

[vast tulip]

Ight I'll shoot for Thermite once it pops up

[ocean turret]

thermite is better?

[digital scroll]

Physical team gives to much Physical buff. Atk buff is better

[vast tulip]

I'm glad I picked up Fortmaker then

And it's already a lvl 80 so I shouldnt have too much trouble leveling Thermite whenever I do get it

It would save me some Arms mats

alright that's all. ty for the input yall

[outer ermine]

okay yvonne broke my time doesnt matter but i can have a reason to push now

only 16.15

[drifting quest]

p0p0 on load?

[rapid heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0axBbHnehQ&list=LL

[drifting quest]

why is pog in every team

snowshine?

[ocean turret]

thats fast

[drifting quest]

[rapid heron]

cause he buff physical DMG and most of rossie DMG still p[hysical

[drifting quest]

how do you know most of her damage is physical

[digital scroll]

Gil-less cope

[rapid heron]

her basic her SEQ 1 battle skill her combo and her talents all physical

[rapid heron]

did you watch the 1.1 dev blog?

[drifting quest]

yeah but how do you know that's more than the fire damage parts

[rapid heron]

they tlel you every DMG type of her kit

[drifting quest]

yes but we do not know the multipliers

she could be 30/70 phys/fire

[rapid heron]

no

[digital scroll]

Her damage is likely all Ult based on gear, and it's Heat

[drifting quest]

everything we know would indicate mostly arts damage yes, but I would never say that makes her guaranteed an arts based dps

[rapid heron]

there is no character in the game has mroe than 50% of their DMG coming from a single skill

[drifting quest]

um

[ocean turret]

i made 2 teams for rossi, one from rossi dps phys and dps art

[drifting quest]

are you sure about that

[digital scroll]

LR

[rapid heron]

you gonna say avywenna?

[drifting quest]

i could list a whole bunch

[outer ermine]

looks full pot yve, 1gil 0tt

[ocean turret]

semi dps pog in rossi team cause breach wont do much

[rapid heron]

in prolong fight not 1 shot rhodagn

[drifting quest]

dont use prydwen as a metric

[fossil pendant]

prolonged fights don't exist right now

[rapid heron]

then basicly any characte rin the game right now 70-=80% are Ult then

XD

[fossil pendant]

yep

they sure are

[rapid heron]

im talkign about mode you cant start with Ult

[digital scroll]

Hot take. They don't matter since it's 10 min

[rapid heron]

SO rossie want to be play as controlled Operators, and her basic atatck is physical, her battle skill half physical, her combo all physical, her talent dot all physical. Her Ult is about 80-90 energy

[digital scroll]

Only trimming

[drifting quest]

Ardelia, Avywenna, Chen(sort of), DaPan, Ember(sort of), Fluorite(sort of), Gilberta, Laevatein, LR(only at giga high invest), Lifeng(giga high invest), Perlica, Tangtang(sort of), Wulfgard, Yvonne

[rapid heron]

her ult DMG max contribution will be 35% max if you not coutnign 1 shot rhodagn

[drifting quest]

would be units who have most of their damage shared tied to one specific ability

[rapid heron]

but it wont be anywhere pass 50%

[quasi quarry]

Even if this was true (it's not) this is no way to make assumptions, they can do whatever the hell they want with an operator's kit

you can't just assume things baselessly and take it as fact

[digital scroll]

Also I think it's very indicative that Endmin buff goes from Physical DMG to Atk% buff. Leads me to believe they were made for Rossi

[drifting quest]

there are caveats to the 'sort of' units ofc (e.g. if you count it as damage type then Tangtang has skill Damage but if you count it as skill press then she would not count due to Talent 2 being relevant)

[rapid heron]

you know how much DMG mul;tiplier it need to be for it to be over 50%?

[drifting quest]

the pairing is intended, for sure
Just a case of if it's better than alternatives for TC perspective

it'll clear, for sure

[quasi quarry]

do you? cause that's completely relative to Rossi's kit .... and we don't know her multipliers

[rapid heron]

if you lvl up enough character and etst them you will know

[drifting quest]

but if it's worse than dedicated arts burst teams then its not something we care about for the most part, as a TC thing

[rapid heron]

ok tell me Chen is one of the highest Ult multiplier in the game for her Ult

how much MDG distribution is her Ult compair to other skill when you control her

[fossil pendant]

please don't bring up prydwen for that again

[drifting quest]

chen's is like

upper middle

since chen is like 1500%

yvonne is what 2400%

LR 1800%

[rapid heron]

is that base modifier or with other multiplier group from gears?

[drifting quest]

laev can hit 3-4k%

[fossil pendant]

1023+6x81 or something

for chen

[drifting quest]

base

[fossil pendant]

idr exactly

[drifting quest]

sounds right

[digital scroll]

Yeah, but I'm saying that Physical buffs are likely bad on her

[drifting quest]

we dont know how much of her damage is physical, they could be good

again what we know does imply it might not be better but we simply do not know

[quasi quarry]

do you??? why I would I know this to a tea? this dependent on gear as well, no idea why you're asking me this. It's not making your point any stronger

[digital scroll]

True, but then Gilberta sucks if Phys is better

[quasi quarry]

you're still not giving a concrete answer as to why you magically know Rossi's damage distribution

[drifting quest]

i mean the best rossi team could still be hybrid stuff

[quasi quarry]

no one does so stop making baseless assumptions about it and presenting it as fact

[drifting quest]

simply said we dont know

[ocean turret]

i have another idea for rossi team that isnt included in the list cause its kinda sp consuming

[rapid heron]

cause at most her Ult will be 50% of her DMG

[fossil pendant]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that chen with 300% ult damage bonus is going to be majority ult damage

[drifting quest]

rossi sp looks miserable, fwiw

on existing timelines

[fossil pendant]

just a guess

[rapid heron]

and you dont want free 40% on her 50% PHysical damage?

and also buff Crush DMG?

[quasi quarry]

what are you genuinely on about

[drifting quest]

crush... on chen?

[rapid heron]

so what you gonna do with all the vulnerbility stack ?

[rapid heron]

you drunk?

[dusk isle]

[drifting quest]

relax

[digital scroll]

Gil Ult, Endmin Crush, Rossi Ult

[rapid heron]

and what crush benefit from?

breach?

[digital scroll]

Rossi buff, and Stanza

[rapid heron]

why would rossie ult benefit form vulnerbility stack?

[digital scroll]

Gil Ult is stronger based on stack

[terse raptor]

holup, isnt gil's susceptibility is gone if you consume all the vuln stacks with crush?

[rapid heron]

that have nothing to do with Her ult

it;s Gilberta skill

[drifting quest]

gilb ult buffs rossi ult

[digital scroll]

It calcs on proc

[drifting quest]

is what they are saying

[fossil pendant]

her ult scales the debuffs based on vuln stacks what

[terse raptor]

oh good news then, thx

[fossil pendant]

I mean this is all predicated on the false premise that her ult will not exceed half her damage share anyways

devs will do whatever they want

[drifting quest]

the dev log video said ult is her main damage source but it's not clear what that means

[digital scroll]

And since the team is Rossi/Gil/Endmin then you would play Akekuri for Art reaction and Combustion

It solves the SP issue that Wulfgard probably doesn't

[rapid heron]

no reason to use crush without breach

[drifting quest]

from the tc side any number of the what
mono phys
phys arts hybrid
shatter
arts hypercarry
laev support
arts dual/triple dps
6 team archetypes could be valid

[rapid heron]

laevatain support?

[fossil pendant]

the first actual indication we'll get is when they drop her weapon effect

[ocean turret]

i dont reccomend endmin. everyone are sp hungry.

[rapid heron]

i dont think rossie will provide anything to laev

rossi will consume the heatstack

[digital scroll]

Rossi + Laev is cope

[drifting quest]

It does not look good, correct

[rapid heron]

but rossie team will open a lot more team comp

[drifting quest]

Ehh

Not really

[rapid heron]

IF and only IF you can trigger her combo skill , not trigger use the infliction stack and still apply lift

[drifting quest]

The only new thing is hybrid

[digital scroll]

Rossi is greedy

Demanding the team basically be built around her

[fossil pendant]

rossi feels like she wants a fifth character in her team lol

[rapid heron]

even though ehr combo deal more DMG the more infliction stack

i dont think it worth go more than 1

not enough SP to go around

[digital scroll]

Secret Wulfgard assist at P5

[drifting quest]

5 team slots would be huge for teambuilding

[rapid heron]

impossible to keep both vulnerbility and infliction stack together

[drifting quest]

since so many rossi teams feel mediocre at 4slot

numbers could just be crazy though

[summer flicker]

imagine

[rapid heron]

those team are just options for peoplel dont have other units

[ocean turret]

im already building this team, both teams i mean. my 3rd ideal team is tangtang, wulfgard and pog even tho its veryvery sp hungry(and i dont have tang tang)

[summer flicker]

tt dps

you have so much free stack with tt mdps so rossi could eat them all /j

[drifting quest]

you say that but there's a rossi tt timeline which

could be worse

[summer flicker]

maybe tt rossi is insane for farming

[charred scroll]

what is better to artifice first?

[ocean turret]

i say tt and wulfgard cause one tt bs can trigger both cs

[drifting quest]

i mean its sunk cost

[rapid heron]

usually 3rd stats -> 1st stats then 2nd

[drifting quest]

rossi anim time is like

longish

wont save time

[digital scroll]

She needs the backflip for the aura

[charred scroll]

i thought first was most important lol thanks!

[ocean turret]

but yeah since i dont have tangtang, its either ard-gil combo or perl-gil combo

[rapid heron]

the issue with ROssi combo atm is if you pair with endmin you will trigger rossi 1st combo SEQ. then you cant use her 2nd until you cast Endmin COmbo

it gonna mess up with your rotation

[ocean turret]

most teams willactivate endmin combo first before u even make rossi activate her combo

[digital scroll]

Gil combo, Endmin combo, Rossi combo

[summer flicker]

i caved in tt sig banner for 1 chilvaric, and p4 thermite cutter

goat

[merry dune]

just one more

[ocean turret]

whose the 4th?

[merry dune]

probably wulfgard or perlica idk

[digital scroll]

Akekuri whenever stagger happens

[merry dune]

nvm

I’m misinformed

[summer flicker]

im broke

[ocean turret]

stagger may takesome time

[summer flicker]

well. sadly only p1 tt sig

[digital scroll]

Trust the Endmin with Swordmancer gear

[honest hill]

💳

[summer flicker]

nah im broke irl

[honest hill]

who broke u

[summer flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1479851358424399995/image0.gif

[ocean turret]

i still prefer dps pog, the cruch numbers are too low without breach

and it give sp

[honest hill]

just play what u want because the game is so easy

[summer flicker]

still in college

kekw

[honest hill]

[summer flicker]

if i had a good paying job, i gonna whel so hard

[summer flicker]

real

[fossil pendant]

the devious $2800/mo rent payment:

[digital scroll]

For me it's between Wulfgard/Pog and Akekuri/Endmin. Gilberta mandatory for both

[honest hill]

just play ember dps with max hp build kill everything blindfolded

[digital scroll]

The only issue with Wulgard is no good support gear, and I don't think his damage is good enough like Tangtang

[summer flicker]

can you just spam e and afk

[fossil pendant]

tbh ember is kinda chill to play

[honest hill]

I think so ye

[fossil pendant]

only thing that sucks is you stagger the boss and all of a sudden you cant proc her combo for vulns anymore so sp goes down the drain

[merry dune]

the ember hate to begin with at launch was crazy

[fossil pendant]

she's still not good but she's not a total brick

[digital scroll]

🧱

[fossil pendant]

most wheelchair character of all time

[ocean turret]

ngl ardelia, perlica, gilberta rotation looks amazing. since they only need 1 last hit to chain trigger those 3

i mean not in 1 team

[digital scroll]

I'm going off the implied need for Combustion. If not important then Perlica is the goat

[ocean turret]

only wulfgard can combust and its on ult only right?

oh right theres gil

[drifting quest]

perlica can also setup for combustion if needed

[digital scroll]

Gil BS and Wulfgard CS

[drifting quest]

sp inefficient but can do it

[fresh trench]

ardelia solo trim update

5 seconds left

[ocean turret]

once combustion starts, you use both gilberta cs and wulfgard bs for rossi combo. thats 3 stacks of vuln.

4th vuln will come from rossi bs

[digital scroll]

Exactly

[ocean turret]

at 4th vul you can now pop out gilb ult,wulf ult, rossi ulit before using breach or crush

[digital scroll]

With Akekuri it's

Gil BS > Akekuri BS > Gil CS > Endmin CS > Rossi CS

[ocean turret]

umm

nope

you only have combustion and 1 stack of vuln

u need 1 more art stack

[digital scroll]

Gil applies Nature

[ocean turret]

yeah you already used it 1st

[digital scroll]

Gil one nature on BS and then again on CS

[proud vector]

Gil combo skill gives a vuln no?

[ocean turret]

gil's bs nature is consumed for combustion,

you use gil cs for lift

thats 1 stack of vuln

[proud vector]

when did gilb combo skill ever give a nature

It’s ult that does so, ult and battle skill

[ocean turret]

uh no?

[digital scroll]

Did I misread

Is it just Nature dmg

[proud vector]

It’s not even nature damage if I remember right? It’s a lift

Ok it’s nature damage

But no infliction - it lifts instead

[digital scroll]

SKILL DESCRIPTION: A quick casting of the Arts that generates a gravity pull, which then deals Nature DMG and forcibly Lift icon.pngLifts the target and nearby enemies.

I'm an idiot

[proud vector]

anyways, banishment upon thee until thy reading issue is rectified

[ocean turret]

yeah just lift only

you can fix that if you pop out gil bs again but

[proud vector]

giga expensive

[digital scroll]

Akekuri becomes too expensive

[proud vector]

Rule of thumb is 200-250~? normal sp every 20 seconds or so naturally?

[digital scroll]

🗑️

Back to Wulfgard

[ocean turret]

[digital scroll]

We're running Pog and Wulfgard

[ocean turret]

yeah i think its much better

[digital scroll]

Pog Ult sometime before Gil CS and should have enough SP for Wulfgard to consume first Combustion for buffs. Then just Ult with Wulfgard again to reapply Combust

[ocean turret]

i reccomend test it on chen first

if the rotation is correct

[woven drift]

I'm going to type pogs name by memory

Pogranichnik

Did I get it

[ocean turret]

i chose ardelia because of susceptibility. but im not sure if using 2 supports will affect the overall dps

[proud vector]

SP

Though maybe because of long duration it works out

[ocean turret]

so i replaced it with perlica since it does the same trigger

but

the buffs are 15 secs compared to ardelia who has 30s susceptibility

[proud vector]

you fool, they cost no SP

That’s a huge upside

[ocean turret]

well ardelia has sheep bs

[proud vector]

And Perlica does all her buffs (stanza assumed) with combo skill and ult alone so

No sp cost, huge upside

[ocean turret]

thats true

but wulfgard does combustion

https://tenor.com/view/floyd-mayweather-floyd-mayweather-boxing-boxer-gif-23311259

[proud vector]

anyone who claims to know right now without kit numbers is a fraud

[ocean turret]

kit numbers are nothing

[proud vector]

We know nothing about how much combustion even matters to Rossi

[ocean turret]

cause someone here doing trimming solo ardelia

[proud vector]

and absolutely suffering

Like, legitimately, suffering

[ocean turret]

whats important here is which has better rotations

[digital scroll]

It matters even if a little bit, and P3 Wulfgard gives Heat buff and Clannibal Heat taken

[proud vector]

then understand that SP is very very precious to a good rotation

[ocean turret]

slowest rotation will always be ardelia -gilberta combo, very very sloww

[digital scroll]

Just use Pog

[proud vector]

oh sure right pog yay breach time I guess to combo skill

[ocean turret]

dps pog, breach dont do much

[proud vector]

then how to trigger combo skill

[digital scroll]

DPS Pog after Gil Ult

[ocean turret]

which combo skill

[proud vector]

Doesn’t combo skill require vuln consumption or am I misremembering

Pog combo skill

[digital scroll]

Stanza and Thermite buff, plus Frontiers

[proud vector]

Which is pretty important for generating ultimate energy for pog ultimate

[ocean turret]

yeah, pogs battle skill

[proud vector]

Hence breaching

[ocean turret]

what i mean by that is

art intensity pog

[digital scroll]

You breach after Gil Ult

[proud vector]

that makes pog not so SP positive I guess?

[ocean turret]

lmao no

what i mean is

[proud vector]

Breach costs 100 but refunds a bit

I guess

It’s like Akekuri level at that point

[digital scroll]

Rossi alone procs 3 Shield guards

We're only using four battle skills

[proud vector]

Per how many seconds?

[ocean turret]

if you consume 4 vuln stacks by pog, and then ult, his combo will use 3 guards

[proud vector]

Because the regen rate is approx 8 per second with an additional 5 with full normal uptime per second.

And ultimate flash pauses this regeneration

Every 20 seconds is usually naturally only 260 (realistically as low as 200) so it’s rough to get that extra 140-200 I suppose..

[ocean turret]

just use frontiers with ult gain eff armor

[proud vector]

it’s why the physical breach crush crush comp defaults to a 30 second long rotation

[digital scroll]

Gil BS > Wulfgard CS > Pog Ult > Gil CS > Wulfgard BS > Rossi CS > Rossi BS > Gil Ult > Pog BS > Pog CS

Finish with Rossi Ult

[proud vector]

so 4 battle skill 1 combo skill per character

Since no sp return nonsense here that’s roughly 36 natural energy generation for each character

Good luck I suppose? Consider a 40 second long time window to work in the ults every other set

[digital scroll]

Should be fine with Pog Ult giving SP

[ocean turret]

perlica will reduce 1 bs

[proud vector]

Pog has no additional ultimate energy mechanics

His cost is 90

[ocean turret]

but can you even do all reotation within 15 secs?

[proud vector]

If you do 4 battle skills (26) and a combo skill (10)

It is 36 energy total

This will require a 250% ultimate efficient pog

big ouchies

[proud vector]

Oh god the suffering

Actual dive attacks my eyes (makes total sense but that’s just rough my dude LOL)

[ocean turret]

perlica cs - perl bs - gilb cs - rossi cs - rossi bs - gil ult -perl ult -rossi ult -pog bs- pog ult -pog cs

[fresh trench]

it actually 30 mili second off

but i edit out some part to make it look legit but atp

but yeah im tired bro and ran out of ginseng

[ocean turret]

the fps on this need to be aint lower than 60

[proud vector]

You’re getting so close though dude, props

[digital scroll]

Where are you getting your vulnerability stack for Rossi CS to proc

[ocean turret]

gilberta lift

[gritty briar]

holy shit

[digital scroll]

Oh, so no Ardelia

[ocean turret]

oh

w8

there

[fossil pendant]

god's strongest ardelia enjoyer

[fresh trench]

its actually MILIseconds off but no one know,actually there is black part where i cant control so yeah

[ocean turret]

time to flex it on youtube

[fresh trench]

i will

[gritty briar]

it must be so painful using ardelia ult and just hoping that half the sheeps don't just randomly miss

[proud vector]

Oh no

[dense widget]

rhodagn bullying

[fossil pendant]

the files

[fresh trench]

ardelia files lmao

[proud vector]

Anyways for timeline

Highly recommend end-axis

Will allow you to check if rotation is SP viable and ult energy viable

[fossil pendant]

most important is if they're old man hands viable

[ashen scroll]

What is that even mean

[proud vector]

Is there legitimately hard execution lol? I’ve heard full phys rotations can get tight but …

[fossil pendant]

none of it is that crazy yet

[ocean turret]

the what?

[ocean turret]

me using ember phys

[proud vector]

Basically does the rotation actually function like you think it will

End axis the time lining tool will let you check for sure

Instead of “yeah should work”

[digital scroll]

Yeah should work

[proud vector]

Hell you can even account for the SP bonus from staggers using that thing

Rod can be bullied to stagger for his sweet sweet sp on finisher

[outer ermine]

holy fuck this is gonna be fun w 5%

[digital scroll]

Just perfect dodge for more SP

[proud vector]

doesn’t actually speed it up particularly much

The freeze frames from the dodge pauses natural regen a bit, means kinda SP loss without the bonus

The sp bonus is kind of rebate lol

[outer ermine]

@edgy elk 3/5 so far, add in 1/3 winning w crit, 5% w jakubs

i hate this

[proud vector]

Oh god crit fishing

you poor bastard

[edgy elk]

did u get the perfect frame working

[outer ermine]

found me some visual cues yea

most important thing timing wise is u trigger hp end of first swing

so even the walking distance is important

[edgy elk]

is this the power of finger speed

so lr midair hit -> tang swap -> bs

works??! 🤯

how long's the rot now?

[ocean turret]

my hand would nevah

[outer ermine]

im bout to move there yea

[edgy elk]

lol i spent all night playing with tangtang freeze strat and got nowhere

but i found tt's i-frames

(not that you'll ever use them)

[outer ermine]

w bas and bs lol?

[edgy elk]

ult too

like xai's

i thought i could dive -> switch arde -> dolly rush to negate kb

but inconsistent

[outer ermine]

u get fucked there lol, i tried queing xai ult b4 jump so insta cast on land but timing cs w it was hard

[edgy elk]

eh. conclusion: no conclusion. wasted my time

[outer ermine]

[edgy elk]

u can queue ult?

oh btw tangtang's dive gives u a split second leeway, so u can actually dive into xai's iframes, tt's bs, or arde's dollyrush without getting kb

i.e., you'll exit jump animation a split second before the boss unfreezes and u can do kb immunity stuff

still not fast enough to justify that 2.7s tho 🫠

[outer ermine]

on mobile u can, u like press ult jump and u trigger it b4 u even see urself land so theres a window

havent been able to do it on pc tho

[rapid heron]

kb?

[edgy elk]

wait wha? there's something mobile can do that pc can't?

i actually.. yk.. don't own a pc

finally some mobile copium

[outer ermine]

try it maybe it works

[edgy elk]

btw i stole ur button layout
it's sm better than pressing every single thing with my right hand

[ashen scroll]

You cant peek laeva cleavage in 4k with mobile , not worth it

[edgy elk]

knockback

[outer ermine]

lol gotta get used to it now

[edgy elk]

"thousands of rhodagns suffer daily for this"

[outer ermine]

only thing i cant do on mobile and can in pc is ult cs cs

ive tried clicking ult and first cs together but too slow for 2nd

[edgy elk]

skill issue
grow an extra arm

[outer ermine]

its like, .300? from press then itll ult lol

my fingers need to vibrate to press rhat shit

[edgy elk]

pc's more sensitive right

[outer ermine]

yea

[edgy elk]

or just.. keyboard good

endfield macbook client when

[outer ermine]

my mkb is sensitive as hell lol

has to be for these runs

[edgy elk]

btw how's tt's damage share in ur runs

im legit thinking of catastrophe tt can save some time

but dmg will go through the floor

will shorten ur start by a second tho
don't need to wait for sp regen

[outer ermine]

on rhod not much hp so 50% she shreds but overall 40 50 depending on how much i give her

max pot power

[edgy elk]

oh- ah

[edgy elk]

doesnt p5 only buff talent 2

or does it also apply to bs whirl

[potent hornet]

80%

on p5

[edgy elk]

but only for nados created by ult yeah

[potent hornet]

thats per individual whirlpool

yes

[edgy elk]

ah nah then hifumi's p5 tt is wasted here

no ult in rot

[outer ermine]

only on rhod

[potent hornet]

her p5 is crazy

[edgy elk]

oh btw about the missing xai cs in freeze strat, i actually think ur tt damage can make up for that lost 10% dmg taken

but i just gotta optimize around 2.7s 💀

[outer ermine]

3/5 successrste is out the window i cant for the life of me get it again

[edgy elk]

what's this, all crit?

[outer ermine]

the fs mid air

[edgy elk]

oh... 💀

[outer ermine]

the swap bs isnt a problem

im actually swapping too early maybe

[edgy elk]

i've been getting midair fs consistently but havent got swap once yet 💀

[outer ermine]

play my first part

[edgy elk]

transplant half brain

[outer ermine]

i swear its easier on mobile lol

[edgy elk]

yeah

the way i do it, i swing twice, dash cancel, walk around a bit, then fs

walking around helps get the timing

[outer ermine]

funni enough, i get it when i miss press a skill how do i disable the camera flick to caster its messing w my distance

[edgy elk]

ehh i thought there was an option in settings

[outer ermine]

2 in a row because i missed, then 2 bs i fuck up

it was for combo irrc

[edgy elk]

oh

[outer ermine]

LOL it is the camera

wtf

[edgy elk]

i just realized
you'll have to get midair fs, tang switch, bs i-frame, THEN critfish for 5%

my condolences...

[outer ermine]

add in ard bs timing i have history w her

getting it more consistently now, just gotta point lr horns on rhod right hand for center dash lol

[edgy elk]

holy visual cue

center dash?

[outer ermine]

like exactly in the middle to trigger hp on end of first swing

bit short on distance if to the side

hate this game

[edgy elk]

u on pc now?

[outer ermine]

yeah

[edgy elk]

damn i've just been yoloing it 😭
if it hits it hits if it doesnt i try again

today is rho's revenge istg

[outer ermine]

i need to do it about a 100 times so gotta find cues to keep it consistent

[edgy elk]

HOLY RIGHT HAND

i figured out what u meant lol

consistency

i just hit midair thrice in a row

but mobile prolly better for this

[outer ermine]

im having massive skill issues

[honest hill]

whel more

[edgy elk]

oh dw me too
i havent even been able to op switch when standing still

[outer ermine]

i think i accept the camera flick and find a timing there

[edgy elk]

camera flick? which one

like the one where u switch ops?

[outer ermine]

when u cast bs

[edgy elk]

LR bs?

cant u just cast it right before u fs

then no flick

i usually only get it when i switch ops and immediately cast lr bs

[outer ermine]

both, it flicks to last cast, so to the left if lr + xai

facing that way ;ol

[edgy elk]

ok that looks like a pain

[woven drift]

Y'all think Redeemer's is just better? Put the stat comparison up. Not much use for health, at least not yet.

The attack bonus is kinda small, but...

[swift onyx]

Yes its better

[edgy crater]

eyja redeemer? for what

[swift onyx]

Been kinda known since like, day 2 of the update
Only 34 atk and 0.6(?)% ult gain better but

[woven drift]

Nothing better atm

[swift onyx]

Huh

[edgy elk]

to make her deadlier

(actually nah that'd be hw+slab)

[woven drift]

I maxed out both chest pieces to do stat comparisons myself. Since Non-set items can only be artificed 6/6 instead of 9/9.

[edgy elk]

someone's rich on catalysts...

yk u could've just went with excel

[woven drift]

I'm just leveling one character at a time with catalysts. I thought it wouldn't hurt to have something with more HP for Lae if there was some difficulty spike later.

Is this not what you want on Ardelia?

[edgy crater]

u want the other xira kit

[edgy elk]

not more healing?

[swift onyx]

Why are we buffing her int

[edgy crater]

the ulti gain kit

[swift onyx]

[edgy crater]

spam ulti

[edgy elk]

for the stanza

[woven drift]

It's her main stat

[edgy crater]

80% ulti gain lmao

[swift onyx]

But..it does fuck all🥹

You dont need to care about it

[edgy crater]

her heal scale with will

[swift onyx]

Healing scales off will

Her dmg is...there

So you can forget int

[woven drift]

Counter argument.

[swift onyx]

Nonexistent

Sorry pookie
I dont care you adore the sheep

Pumping int is not da wei

[edgy elk]

ok i've reached a conclusion
tc chat is just whel territory
scary scary

[swift onyx]

Untrue

Im free to play

[edgy crater]

p5 starry, nice weap for xaihi

[fossil pendant]

I'm so f2p I don't even have thermite

[swift onyx]

Bro didnt pick from the box

[edgy elk]

the.. free weapon?

[swift onyx]

Reroll worthy

[edgy elk]

i mean.
i picked wedge 💀

[fossil pendant]

yeah I grabbed sundered out of the box on like day 2 because it looked cool on ember

[woven drift]

Bro you can't get pot5 Ardelia on purpose.

[fossil pendant]

at least it's only like

a miniscule difference to never rest

[edgy elk]

pull a lot
automatic p5 everything

it's... a certain type of purpose i guess

[woven drift]

I got so many 50/50s on ardelia that it's driving me insane

[edgy elk]

so you decided to all-in and p5 starry too

[fossil pendant]

I need lifeng p1 yesterday

[swift onyx]

P1 lifeng is so good🥹

[edgy crater]

u can, starry banner kinda good as rate off lol

[woven drift]

Exactly

The most I have on any other 6 star is Laevatain at pot 2

And Lifeng for some reason

[swift onyx]

Sunk cost fallacy

[woven drift]

Fallacies can be fun if it's a video game

[fossil pendant]

imagine playing video games to have fun

I play them to suffer

[swift onyx]

Sounds like coping mechanism

[edgy elk]

HOLYYY

U did it

[outer ermine]

im bout to look for cues

[edgy elk]

This and Xai fs can break 14 right?

[outer ermine]

surelyyyy

feelscraft i do feel like this saves a second

[edgy elk]

Ur old one with the entire LR hit sequence was 16 already

surely Xai and this can save time

[outer ermine]

yea, old one i had enough free time between fs to actually play around w camera

[edgy elk]

I noticed

But Xai ult hmm
Lock her fs, worth or no?

[outer ermine]

yea its prob fine to lock

[edgy elk]

Does tang hit sequence have any cancels

[outer ermine]

ard and tt is never free, lr is slow, so that just leaves her

[edgy elk]

Fair enough

[outer ermine]

a3 start of flip and a4 after 2 dashes

but its pretty ass

[edgy elk]

?

hieroglyphs

secret code

This more visual cues?

[outer ermine]

her cancels lol

its basically at the end of each moves so its eh

[edgy elk]

ohh lmao

I forgot a means basic attack

[outer ermine]

i was calling them ba b4 but cn started rubbing off me cuz they call it a#

[edgy elk]

wangzhe type shit

never heard “a” used like that in a long time 🫠

[regal fractal]

hellos, anybody know what the best loadout is for solo chen

[smoky quarry]

Today, nothing happened in endfield

[woven drift]

Her sig weapon isn't her bis that's so wild

I just sort of assumed healers would scale off their main Stat just like, you know, every other video games.

[honest hill]

u didn't kill the boss

[smoky quarry]

Haven't you heard? You are banned from making good gamedesign decisions if you work on gacha games

[edgy elk]

100 tries left to go
or however long it takes to get crit the 5%

[woven drift]

Oh that's actually interesting, a solo build would make the game fun

[edgy elk]

Solo Chen, solo catcher, solo snowshine… they’re pretty popular yk

[honest hill]

who knows

Hifumi will spend day and night

[edgy elk]

We just had the first solo ardelia trim today (that I know of)

[woven drift]

I guess I'm primed to do the same thing

[edgy elk]

p5 oblivion time

[lyric latch]

Koko did it?!

[edgy elk]

Mhmm (sorta)

Vid is up there

[outer ermine]

run, save, davinci, run save davinci

[edgy elk]

Resolve?

You too?

Comrade

Oh u mean Ardelia run

[outer ermine]

3 of us

[regal fractal]

i just took a look

curiious as to why dive attacks

is it higher dps or something?

[edgy elk]

Higher multiplier in one hit. No time for long batk sequence to ramp up. Stall for cs. Reasons I guess

[edgy elk]

I was happy with my 17s runs til I realized with ur metrics they’d be 4 minutes each
-# accounting for the time it takes me to grab water while my operators chill behind rhodagn

[outer ermine]

we stop doing backstab after 0s incident

[edgy elk]

I saw that

Patched it tho

Now it’s back at, what, 4secs

[outer ermine]

oh they patched?

[edgy elk]

Yeah

Me n sunflower tried to do it but couldn’t

Unless there’s some weird glitch that idk of

[outer ermine]

the oneshot or freeze till cs

[edgy elk]

The 0 second one where rho doesn’t show bossbar til tang ult ends

[outer ermine]

oh it doesnt freeze hp now

yea lol patched

used to just freeze it b4 dmg, it was hell on mobile

u basically had to press everything blind

[edgy elk]

try to pre-ult
buttons disappear

[outer ermine]

couldnt hop on pc when i did it so mobile was the only way

[edgy elk]

Wait wait u were the one who did the 0 sec rhodagn??

[outer ermine]

cn did it first but i didnt see until i posted mine

like 2 hrs b4 lmao

[edgy elk]

Oh lol

[outer ermine]

prob still have it on my phone

love how i can tell if itll hit or not now

[edgy elk]

Soon enough you’ll be dreaming of rhodagn’s right hand

[outer ermine]

[edgy elk]

Freeze rot is my muscle memory now and it’s completely trollge
Ok i give up optimizing this. Got it to the longer half of 15 seconds but.. yeah 💀

Slep time. When I back you’d better have fished ur crit

[edgy crater]

no sleep

[edgy elk]

Oh no the devil is here

I’m outta here

[edgy crater]

bruh

[edgy elk]

btw test ur yinglung set

We needa make more propaganda

[edgy crater]

give me more catalyst

[edgy elk]

Weekly reset then

[edgy crater]

also im technically fishing rng right now on civ 6 starting location

[edgy elk]

I’m out too lmao

[outer ermine]

i still got work tonight i should be zleeping

[edgy crater]

nah, coffee

trust it gayo coffee

[daring dove]

Wonder if we'll get some more Rossi info tomorrow or if they're going to make us wait until she's literally in-game.

[edgy crater]

ingame lmao

or probably 2days before banner

[edgy elk]

Wait for combat test
Knowing the devs they’ll put her with snowshine or smth.

[daring dove]

Yeah so tomorrow or Friday or in-game.

[outer ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/panto-pt-ajitani-hifumi-hifumi-blue-archive-gif-16817230695535296570

[woven drift]

How long till Rossi

[daring dove]

She's out in less than 4 days now.

[edgy crater]

embed failed

[woven drift]

I need content please dog

[daring dove]

Releases PM Sunday UK time I think.

If she's half as good as Tangtang she'll be strong but TBC, her kit looked a little disjointed even in the previews.

[woven drift]

I feel like Rational Farewell is such a bad weapon but I have nothing else to give Wulfgard right now

[edgy crater]

obj gunlol

[fossil pendant]

it's fine

it's annoying to do anything with clannibal passive anyways

[woven drift]

I just feel like he doesn't do much for my team

[edgy crater]

hes surtr slave

[woven drift]

But he's like the only other option for heat inflict for Lae

[daring dove]

Clannibal the ultimate potential weapon.... One day it'll be good. But I imagine we'll be saying the same thing in 2028.

[woven drift]

I kinda want to build a team with Ardelia as the controlled operator tho. She triggers her own combo skill fast an easy, so maybe there's something to build around there.

Or I just don't know the game well enough yet to realize that's a waste of time?

[daring dove]

He's Tangtang except doesn't do any damage & has zero utility outside of inflictions.

[woven drift]

Oh yeah, and I have her pot5 so her combo skill is very short

[edgy crater]

ardel dps? probably with xaihi stanza lol

[outer ermine]

bruh discord died on phone

[woven drift]

I plan to experiment once I max out the teams and weapons

[edgy crater]

u can probably do random sshit like ardel xaihi ange perlica

[outer ermine]

just realized i cant tt bs b4 cs here

BIG i can tank the kb and still be in time to swap back to xai w/o losing time

surprisingly lots of time actually

[woven drift]

Is there any other way to reduce the cooldown of combo triggers?

[fossil pendant]

talent level scales it sometimes

frontier set

[woven drift]

Frontier? Hmm

Yeah but it's ardelia's ct I'm looking at

[fossil pendant]

I just answered the question, I didn't say it was a good idea

[woven drift]

[harsh linden]

@near ether detailed post when?

[edgy crater]

dijang slave sheet?

[near ether]

yes! but i did tinsy error

[gritty briar]

i wonder what rossi will have

[near ether]

let me delete comment and paste. picture has 1 name error

Alright guys, I had brought this topic up in the past, and now i just wanna drop it, ppl can save it, people can use it, i'll update it each time we get a new operator, and something drastically changes.
here are all current numbers:

I've every operator E4, as of today, and can confirm every stat. Was only missing Lifeng, but I received screenshots via DM to conver for Lifeng.

Weapon XP
Gilberta, Pogranichnik, Perlica
Operator XP
Laevatain, Ember, Xaihi.

Control Panel
Da Pan, Snowshine, Lifeng (Lifeng is here because Mineral requires Fluorite)

Growth Chamber Mineral
Wulfgard, Ch'en & Fluorite
Growth Chamber Plant/Fungal
I've to be real here Fungal is kinda useless once you E4 and operator, so eventually it will turn full Plant, but we lack more Plant operators, so for now Plant + Mood.
Yvonne, Last Rite, Antal

Reception Room
Ardelia + Estella Best.
You either go Akekuri for mood on 3rd.
or pick any of the "Clue Rate up" operator, if you wish to aim for the award of helping allies, study your friends lack pattern and mass-collect those clues, otherwise Akekuri is the standard choice

( Selfnote: Base Slave Sheet ) <-- used to quick search this comment

Done, fixed Antal 🙂

[woven drift]

Erm actually, they're employees, not slaves.

[outer ermine]

fuck not a oneshot

15.766

slwoer than expected

by a ton

pls tell me i can still improve on something

i need atleast .250 more

ill sleep on it for now

@edgy elk ^

[quartz horizon]

what is this

how are u doin that

[edgy crater]

why do i smell another rng fishing

like at least another 2 crit

[fossil pendant]

ok is there something funky about finisher multipliers because I'm sheeting, I've compared my results against two other sheets which give the same result within rounding error margin and yet the ingame number is consistently ~11% lower than what it should be on paper

buffs left to right are gv proc (ignored), never rest, talent 1, xiranite, debuffs on boss are breach 4, susc, talent 2 crystals

I need a sanity check

[gritty briar]

Okay so, are you accounting for enemy defense?
And are you accounting for the 1.75x damage multi?

on finishers

[fossil pendant]

yes and yes

sheet from friend predicts 231613 damage, my own says 231612, I round off some numbers to 2 digit precision because it looks ugly af

I'm going insane trying to figure out what's up lol

[gritty briar]

weird

[gaunt mason]

the finisher is 2 hits

have you recorded the first hit

[fossil pendant]

amazing

thanks

kill hypergryph for listing it under a single mv in the talent stats

[gaunt mason]

[gritty briar]

happens a lot actually

[fossil pendant]

I'm used to all the other games listing multihits as x%+y%

idk how that never crossed my mind

[gritty briar]

makes it hard to know how much damage you'll do if you anim cancel part of your basic string cause it just doesn't tell you what the part you skipped would've done

well i guess they don't wanna bother telling you the exact numbers on all 14 hits of tangtang's basics are

or whatever amount of numbers ardelia does

[open narwhal]

[odd wren]

[dry kindle]

Technically accurate so

[obsidian oriole]

is it better to cancel out of Ember's 3rd and 4th (final) basic attacks with a jump attack -> dash/battle skill? than just a dash, I mean

I've just been wondering since you normally dash out of 3 + 4 to cancel endlag though not sure it's a DPS increase compared to just following through with no jump attacks

Basic Attack Combo
1
2
3 -> dash cancel (or jump attack -> dash cancel)
4 -> dash cancel (or jump attack -> dash cancel/skill)

[bold rose]

can anyone use eminent repute rn
like endmin sig is a buck and chen has the bp weap

[gritty briar]

Chen wouldn't be able to trigger repute anyways

[leaden tartan]

Technically comparable output to thermite on a well invested pog I guess.

[civic wolf]

Since we established that support level80 uncap is unimportant rn

that means only Dijang is really a consideration for supports

and M3 i guess but might as well invest on damage dealers of other comps first

anyway

who to level80 uncap entirely for the Dijang passive? Ardelia?

[peak void]

estelle, akekuri

[signal sundial]

Man that's a lot of words to just say e4 80