theorycrafting

[icy remnant]

Cus we can use her SP refund to the max

[smoky quarry]

then you'd need another application source to get crimson flame tokens

i don't see what kind of point you try to make

[potent hornet]

the point is if you are using her right you don't want to use her BS to stack inflictions as fast as possible

so on that point, wulf does it better because you jsut slap his on

[chilly bolt]

Sp refund vs free stack, lol ok

[icy remnant]

We were talking about the hypothetical scenario of making her fire

[drifting quest]

wulf is 3 for 100 sp or 2 for 0 sp
tangtang is 1 per 100 sp, 1 per ult

[icy remnant]

Now it got mixed up w other people in the convo

[chilly bolt]

And his ult refresh his combo cd, so 2 free stacks in a row

[smoky quarry]

for hypercarry laeva, wulf will be better

if you want subdps on the team, then it's probably what mi fu is gonna do

More damage, but 2 stacks per rotation

[drifting quest]

dont get me wrong if tangtang was fire she no diffs wulf

but pure stack efficiency wulf is the winner

[chilly bolt]

True they both fit the same role

[icy remnant]

Okay then yea I’ll take that

I just want a caster that actually does something

Aside from putting stacks

[smoky quarry]

there's one, only for electro team though

[drifting quest]

perlica is your poster child

[smoky quarry]

[drifting quest]

goes in every arts team, not always optimally

no team needs her for stacks

[icy remnant]

Laev team is just so bogged down by 1 unit that exists that only exists to do stacks and might as well be lvl40

[smoky quarry]

avywenna needs at least one with 100% uptime, not necessarily stacked though. We just don't have a unit who would consume electric infliction

even if you hit 4 stacks of EI, you can convert them to corrosion and benefit from it

[drifting quest]

what does avy need an infliction for?

[smoky quarry]

to cast cs? You can rely on perlica cs, but it has only 50% uptime for avywenna cs

[drifting quest]

her combo can be triggered against an enemy with electrification too

[smoky quarry]

if I'm not mistaken

[drifting quest]

doesnt need an infliction

inflictions can make it smoother, yes

but it isnt required

4corro gilb stuff is the best you can do so we do currently stack though, yes

[smoky quarry]

Timings don't match

and perlica is just best user of spare sp point in case you run it like this

[drifting quest]

yes

[smoky quarry]

on top of having first/second place in terms of team damage share

[hollow swan]

when it comes to rotations theory vs practice is quite different. ive been planning out a team rotation using paint to visualize it but the timings definitely don't line up. really have to account for the delays from animations and what not.

[icy remnant]

Oblivion weapon will probably be a pretty strong standard weapon when Fangyi drops

I wonder if it’ll be like 90% of her sig

Or more honestly

They’ll need to make her sig pretty absurd

[smoky quarry]

probably

[smoky quarry]

Have you tried taking into account a 10% margin of error?

Usually evens out for me

[drifting quest]

try endaxis

[smoky quarry]

You'll never be able to replicate rotation perfectly anyway, you need space for mistakes and fumbles

[icy remnant]

If ur speed running you need it perfect

[drifting quest]

https://www.end-axis.com/timeline

[lyric latch]

well they could just make Fangyi not use INT. she could be Will or something.

[smoky quarry]

speedruns are for whales, why bother

[smoky quarry]

doubt it

attributes somewhat correlate with char personality

she gives off int main attribute vibes

[icy remnant]

I disagree with that sentiment
Speed runs are for your own fulfilment
Nothing stopping someone from wanting to clear as fast as they can

You can be a f2p and still speedrun

[smoky quarry]

I have no desire to prove anything to myself, or even to anyone else. That's why I've never been drawn to a high skill ceiling or anything like that.

[icy remnant]

No one’s asking you to do it

[hollow swan]

i definitely didn't give enough space in the rotation for that kind of stuff. heres my painting.

[smoky quarry]

that's a mething though, I just don't get why others want it so much

[icy remnant]

It’s not wanting something so much
It’s called playing the game

The process of it is the game

[smoky quarry]

speedrunning or leaderbord is out of the picture of just playing imo

[potent hornet]

i mean, i compete against myself

[smoky quarry]

as in, prove to yourself that you can do better

[hollow swan]

ideally i wanted to get the ultimates out before endmins atk buff wears off. in practice it seems like im going to be proccing his CS a second time before that. so ill need to consume it then use ults it seems.

[potent hornet]

yerp

[icy remnant]

No there’s nothing to prove
The process of getting better is the fun part

You don’t do it to say “I know I can do it”

You do it because “it’s fun to do it”

That’s playing the game

People can enjoy different things
There doesn’t always need to be something to prove

[hollow swan]

like endmin CS cooldown is 16 and i have P1 tangtang at rank 9 CS so i feel like i should be able to get her 2 whirlpools out and ult within 15 secs of consuming the crystal.

how long is Tangtang basic attack full sequence? i was kind of assuming its around 4s

[drifting quest]

endaxis has timings

its going to be way easier to use for your purposes

[hollow swan]

is that a program?

[drifting quest]

.

[hollow swan]

okay this looks great thanks

unfortunate its all in chinese? tho

[fierce nest]

Get ready to learn Chinese, buddy

[smoky quarry]

there should be loc somewhere

if not, use automatic translation

better than nothing

final strike -> final solution type of translation

[dawn shard]

evil path (out of bounds ziplines)

[hollow swan]

most of it is translated actually its fine

[chilly bolt]

26 turrets

[smoky quarry]

death penalty type of setup

[hollow swan]

do the whirlpools consumed by tangtang ult return SP?

[marble sage]

Hm would it be possible to do a infinite loop on stuff like Tartpepper seed and reed rye seed to be able to plant them on the farm?

[potent hornet]

yes

[pure spoke]

Pov mobs about to run into ifrit

[smoky quarry]

You know what actually would be insane? Support unit for arts teams whose purpose is stacking stagger

[quartz horizon]

no

[oak vigil]

Uhhhhh, Gilberta with that one physical equipment set?

[smoky quarry]

oh, that's why people use swordmancer on gilberta, I was confused asf with that set choice

[oak vigil]

Yeaaah, although it’s like only each combo skill activated. BUT iirc Gilby’s cs cooldown matches with the swordmancer’s set cooldown

There isn’t that much options for Gilby, either amp/susceptiblity set with ult gain, either swordmancer set lol

[smoky quarry]

How much int you get on xaihi with set like that? (approx)

[smoky quarry]

Swordmancer with ult-gain kit would create nice opportunity there

[manic blade]

what would be rotation for tt gilb xaihi perlica

[smoky quarry]

Actually I think sw will be better for my OW team, I don't get a lot of opportunities to use gilb ult

if only I had delivery guaranteed though

[oak vigil]

Tbh I didn’t get to testing with the new equipment even if I unlocked it, so I basically only know pre-1.1 info

I think there might be? Although not sure, I might be wrong too

[smoky quarry]

Only chestplate

(forgor attr are not relevant for sups)

[oak vigil]

Unless Xaihi due to relying on intelligence for bonus amp

But yeah, fair

[smoky quarry]

10 stagger on 15 seconds cooldown is kinda sad though

[oak vigil]

Come to think of this, there aren’t that much operators which rely on stats to give extra bonuses with their skills with the reliance on the said attributes

Xaihi, Arclight, uhhhhh Akekuri too iirc?

[chilly bolt]

do i go for it chat

[smoky quarry]

akekuri int is useless, it's 15sp vs 25sp recovery

and you lose all ult gain

[oak vigil]

Yep

[smoky quarry]

on the other hand, it's must have for arclight to at least even out dmg loss from not having ake

the issue with arclight is that her wildland trekker has trash uptime and it is too expansive

[oak vigil]

Hold on lemme check the weapon stats first…

[smoky quarry]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yQRxspG8WwPv487LlaGVxQK03VFQ44EYCLHBA8Pyq5I/edit?gid=1094366487#gid=1094366487

check this

[oak vigil]

Actually yeah, if you wanna, go for it

[chilly bolt]

i know this, but i dont play chen

ill wait for rossi then

[honest hill]

yes

[smoky quarry]

You can build phys team at some point, why limit yourself

[chilly bolt]

i would do it if gm isnt too bad compared to rossi sig

[smoky quarry]

you want to pull rossi?

[honest hill]

P5 it for chen

[chilly bolt]

im planning to yes

[honest hill]

he will P5 her

[smoky quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishow-speed-naruto-madara-ishowspeed-gif-17966093198315918808

[chilly bolt]

already got the essence

[summer flower]

Yet people are claiming it's best there is

[smoky quarry]

rossi either has crazy dmg multipliers and buffs or she is cooked

I woudn't count on that

[honest hill]

2 on last is good

[smoky quarry]

short summary:

If you slot rossi with heat generators, you lose phys buffers (lifeng and pogr), and damage is miserable
if you slot rossi with phys buffers, you lose heat conversion and application is miserable (at this point just slot chen)

rossi situation basically

[summer flower]

Nobody but me here I heard playing split teams

For me it's gonna be fine.

[smoky quarry]

it's kinda obvious, but it will be suboptimal

which should be ok for you

[summer flower]

Gonna build laev

And put with endmin or something

Or maybe just keep ember

[drifting quest]

as always rossi discussion is a case of the hyperbolic nature of tc

she will clear fine because everything clears

you can run whatever type of rossi setup you want

and that is a good thing

tc is just in the scope of minmax where rossi looks less than ideal

[honest hill]

yeah there's no hard content in the game

[drifting quest]

future units, future discoveries, etc can change that

case and point yvonne who looked pretty miserable at the beginning of 1.0

[honest hill]

except if u count trimming w no food buffs

[drifting quest]

more access to gilberta, more testing, sig access, etc all brought her up and now in speedrun rules she has one of the fastest times

[smoky quarry]

half of that success belongs to precharged ults and insane sub-dps support

[drifting quest]

what

[smoky quarry]

laeva could only dream about team this good

[drifting quest]

there was no subdps

[smoky quarry]

i thought we were talking about post-tt

[drifting quest]

no this is all

1.0

she started with one of the worst times and setups and ended on one of the best times and a decent setup

tangtang stuff is still up in the air

[smoky quarry]

yvonne is still frowned upon when it comes to actual gameplay, cause of how stiff and setup-dependant her gameplay is

[honest hill]

yeah she still mid

[smoky quarry]

daily reminder, all guardians are frauds

don't answer their calls

especially if they demand progression materials

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1r9A3zoENV
forgor to show, we'll see how long it lasts

[edgy crater]

gg

[honest hill]

what whale

[smoky quarry]

practically, new sanity discount is better than previous, but I don't like it esthetically. Might aswell name it sanity giveaway

[honest hill]

it'll be expiring sanity

[smoky quarry]

leviathan

[honest hill]

true

[smoky quarry]

people with memory issues are gonna claim that they lost millions worth of sanity

i don't understand these people

[edgy crater]

dat ardel catastrophe gear tho

[honest hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461535111223967764/1468145696912838717/GIF_20260203_134514_475.gif

they have lower intellect than chen

[summer flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1479851358424399995/image0.gif

[smoky quarry]

catastrophe and aburrey lvl70 gear might be lit though

[outer ermine]

the yvonne run uses like 2

[summer flicker]

no sanity

[outer ermine]

freaking sp

[smoky quarry]

their set effect can be adapted to higher level of gear

[edgy crater]

well yeah

sp issue

normal for cryo

[smoky quarry]

don't forget about adding word "generous"

to farm rep

[outer ermine]

the dorito guy

[edgy crater]

15?

[outer ermine]

15s rhod

[smoky quarry]

15 bowls of rice

[edgy crater]

on yvonne?

[outer ermine]

its really really fuckin hard that .200 has to come from like the beginning on skill cast

and i was already resetting for that but i still cant react to perfect frame it

lr

[edgy crater]

[chilly bolt]

whales edging for 0.2s

[edgy crater]

w8, possible hardware check?

[honest hill]

5090

[smoky quarry]

"this little manuever will cost us 5000 dollars"

[outer ermine]

just reaction time

u can control loading time a bit by playing on a clean reset instead of after run reset, former is faster

so u gotta get used to clean reset loading time

that flinch in the beginning is just me slamming 2 keys fast af that i recoil

[edgy crater]

oh yeah, u use 1s there

[manic blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFv4PHknyrU

[edgy crater]

[outer ermine]

u cant press it till .550 gotta wait for the number to show up

its better to anticipate when to press it rather than spam too

[edgy crater]

u start lr bs at 0.683, 1st walk 1.4 n afk until attacking at 3.083?

[smoky quarry]

Wulfgard ultimate would be lowkey trash if not for P5

[outer ermine]

.500 available to press
queued at .583

[smoky quarry]

low damage, low utility, relatively high cost compared to impact

[chilly bolt]

holy tung tung sahur

[edgy crater]

chug down more caffeine to increase ur focus?

[smoky quarry]

would be nice if they buffed wuflgard numbers, 2/3 of his kit deal practically no damage, that's too much even for caster

his execution move is nice though, 1.1k%

[outer ermine]

earliest i can move to trigger rhod when sp hovers before 1, immedietely after 8 if its really good

or not enough sp for ard+tt skill

can cast tt but not enuf dmg if i cast ard late

[manic blade]

what does this mean xD

[chilly bolt]

man is too pure for brainrot

[outer ermine]

ard recovery anim is also a problem there, most of my misplays were pressing ard bs too early while she was still recoverign

this is already real good

[edgy crater]

[outer ermine]

after lr bs the small ass bar is what i can work with

i need a mechanic improvement instead of these micro ones

[dry mason]

Hifumiiiiiiii

[outer ermine]

shinooooooooo

[dry mason]

Watch my cook Rossi Lae soon

In 5 days

Cant wait

[outer ermine]

oh ye rossi soon

ye just ping i wanna see

[dry mason]

Btw does 1.1 end earlier than 1.0 ?

I mean when Rossi banner ends, it just come straight to 1.2 ?

[edgy crater]

probably

n probably get new sub aic too

[smoky quarry]

1.0 was 7 weeks, 1.0 is 5 weeks

methinks their measure is 6 weeks per update

they just compensated the fact that 1.0 was longer by shortening 1.1

[chilly bolt]

more wuling money yes pls

[smoky quarry]

more brainfuck let's goooo

i hope they won't add another type of components

cause i already got 58k of both

[edgy crater]

more liquid

pipe logic goesss brrr

[chilly bolt]

no it's gonna be gas

[smoky quarry]

ugliest thing ever

[chilly bolt]

GAS

[outer ermine]

i just woke up b4 i grinded cant get more focused than that, and i only thought of grinding cuz i had a dream abt using chiv on ruan

shit was like 12am

[edgy crater]

well then u can chugging 5 shot of coffee

it will increase ur focus but next day u will stay on toilet for half day

[smoky quarry]

pointless, you'll just become caffeine impervious like me

[edgy crater]

[edgy crater]

work for me

[smoky quarry]

imagine having addiction so strong that you become immune to it

[edgy crater]

well, hope so lol

[drifting quest]

you can become tolerant of it or you can just be genetically tolerant

[edgy crater]

well yes

fall asleep after chugging 3shot

[smoky quarry]

turns out, i have medium alhocol tolerance despite drinking almost never

I wonder if that's because my ancestors were drunkards

[drifting quest]

coincidence more than anything

[chilly bolt]

it's normal actually, people tend to have a bit more tolerance when they first drink it

[honest hill]

I have nearly 7M for next week

[smoky quarry]

I have no money cause I diverted 75% of xiranite to component production

still enough money to buy 40 catalysts per week tho

[hollow swan]

using end-axis it seems like buff durations pause during ult animations. is that true?

combo skill cd continues but buffs and debuffs pause is what im seeing

[honest hill]

40/80 💀

[chilly bolt]

That's correct

[honest hill]

imagine if combo skill cd pauses

[smoky quarry]

50% catalysts for 25% price

good enough

actually this is more optimal in case you wanna save up creds for next week

[quartz horizon]

or be so rich u can buy it every week no problem

[smoky quarry]

be rich and have no use for articing catalysts (can't artifice without gear components)

actually it would be lit if you could artifice for raw components instead of gear pieces at normal match

Question to avywenna players: do you also edge FS for combo to line up cooldown?

I kinda want to deduce perfect moment on the timeline to start attack sequence, so final strike perfectly lands on combo skill cooldown

so I lose no effective uptime

[small stone]

What chest piece y'all running on Ember with the new swordmancer setup?

[smoky quarry]

nobody runs ember, all guardians are frauds

idk

[small stone]

Ember is my favorite, if I'm trying to just kill faster I replace her with lifeng

[pure spoke]

[drifting quest]

they're working on replacing it

[quartz horizon]

why would sum1 pull soupsoup just to put her on xira 😭

[smoky quarry]

@drifting quest rate this slander

[honest hill]

Still u miss half the catalysts

[smoky quarry]

but I save 75% of bills

[honest hill]

You get like 10M+ a week

[smoky quarry]

not if you divert 75% of xiranite to component production

[drifting quest]

i mean if its tc wise then a bunch more are on the list

if its not tc then none of them are

[honest hill]

I mean ig so I have a good amount of each until I need them

[smoky quarry]

I mostly slander defenders, only excuses to use them is roflogaming and skill issue

[honest hill]

If you make 3k of each or so that's enough

[drifting quest]

preference thing mostly

obviously sustain and survivability is a lot less valuable for tc because assuming perfect play is a given

[smoky quarry]

tc automatically assumes that you have two hands and you are good at the game

ableism???

[smoky quarry]

I want to demolish all component facilities I have and never return to crafting components until the next region

116k components should be enough to artifice 8 sets in total

that's like 2-3 teams

[honest hill]

[smoky quarry]

You see, if I juggle around production facilities, I lose tons of power, cause sleeping facilities still drain power

if I wanna do something like 0.5 comps per minute, it's gonna require modifying facility setup, and I just use blueprints for these

So, I max out on components, remove all components facilities, return battery production and I'll have 12/m batteries and 6/m syringes, while having only 1 thermal bank working instead of 2

[small stone]

I like the free phys stack from onfielding ember for fast rotations

[honest hill]

I don't like sacrificing 40 catalysts for a shit load of components

[smoky quarry]

you know this is copium, right?

[smoky quarry]

what's use for catalysts if you have no comps

[honest hill]

before u could buy 60 and make 60 gear worth of compounds

components*

each week

[smoky quarry]

it's the easiest option for me

next region i'm gonna do same thing

max components, zero money

[honest hill]

yeah the last 20 costs so much but only 40 a week is meh

[smoky quarry]

until i max out depot

[honest hill]

That's going to take so long

I mean ig if it works for u

it's fine

[small stone]

Yes, there is no person who plays Ember and does not realize she is bad

[honest hill]

But most ppl just make the components when they need it instead of storing them

or store a good amount like 60 gear worth of each

[smoky quarry]

in terms of totally trash? I think it's only arclight and fluorite

other operators have at least one viable team that uses them efficiently

[drifting quest]

alesh estella wulf ardelia all arguably make the list depending on definitions

[smoky quarry]

alesh - used in shatter and yvonne
wulf - best heat stacker as of 1.1
estella - used in shatter
ardelia - ???

I don't get you

[drifting quest]

i mean from a tc perspective shatter is not a good team
and then he is optimised out of yvonne teams

ardelia is optimised out of basically every team from a tc perspective

wulf is in the spot of being super easily replaced as soon as something better exists

but because nothing better does exist he remains used

hence the 'depending on definitions' and 'tc wise' disclaimers

[chilly bolt]

That's what you should do, make just enough component, and start hoarding battery for next patch

[honest hill]

Yeah

[smoky quarry]

Check this out

[small stone]

The new p5 glorious + red yinglung is fun on our Chen

[honest hill]

Now max

[small stone]

Big fan

[daring dove]

I think Ardelia is still really really good at high investment, an the fact everyone gets her P0-P0 for free is a good starting point. Correct she's usually not bis for a lot of teams. But I'd say she's a good option for more teams than any other character.

[drifting quest]

she's still good yeah she's just in the spot where she doesnt have optimal place in any current teams

which is why the whole 'depending on definitions' is relevant

[smoky quarry]

we won't get better than 2 stacks/rotation methinks

[drifting quest]

the same applies to shatter which is bad by tc standards but still good enough

[smoky quarry]

so you'll have to get another external source, like pressing akekuri bs for last token

which in turn means 2sp/3stacks

[smoky quarry]

i mean, it's good enough to be mentioned in iana guide

[drifting quest]

that it is

[smoky quarry]

he's on the balance between vibe gaming and minmaxing as far as I know

should be redeemer only

are you sure that you won't miss this bonus from t3 frontier armor?

[smoky quarry]

I'm too far from starting to build phys team, waifu gaming first (m12 perlica, m9 avywenna and laeva)

[honest hill]

💳

[smoky quarry]

I just tore away 10 dollars from my heart to get bp

I'm soooo in debt

[honest hill]

Become heartless

[smoky quarry]

I'm getting employed in tuesday next week 🥳

[chilly bolt]

Wdym

No one is using that no?

[smoky quarry]

75 intellect + 13% secondary stat is probably better than 150 intellect from redeemer

I think you need only one ult gain piece on xaihi to fit her into rotation, and these are xiranite gloves

[chilly bolt]

Idt that's higher int

[smoky quarry]

intellect IS secondary stat

for xaihi

[chilly bolt]

Yes ik

[smoky quarry]

actually yes, redeemer should be better, lemme check

[honest hill]

It is

like way better

[chilly bolt]

[smoky quarry]

sucks that chestplates have bad stats

somehow

[chilly bolt]

Also all 3 bone gears on tt uses copium component

[smoky quarry]

didn't he said standard bonekrusha

or standard in terms of standard build

[chilly bolt]

I assume standard bs maxing tt

Cuz main dps tt is

[smoky quarry]

antal would be actual gigachad if his combo had 20 seconds cooldown

iana guide? It was updated like day three after update

[outer ermine]

there should be update log in there

[smoky quarry]

Check this out

[hollow swan]

combo skills only give ult energy to the casting character and not the team?

that changes everything if true. i thought the whole team got energy.

yeah only BS is showing team ult gain in endaxis. thats wild

[smoky quarry]

one less loose end?

[hollow swan]

idk i was kind of banking on combos ult gain contributing to the team. trying to avoid having to build uge if i can.

[shut cobalt]

are these gears final?

[smoky quarry]

They are final until next update adds new gear, you know it

[shut cobalt]

its just that gears changed in 1.0 until like 3 weeks after

do we have a better grasp on stuff now so its faster or smth like that?

[smoky quarry]

These gear pieces are versatile anyway, no point in thinking that you wasted catalysts if they end up getting replaced in one specifical team

[shut cobalt]

i c, thanks!

[drifting quest]

gearing is always at risk of changing

thats the nature of tc

early 1.0 gear that's terrible by current standards still clears anyway

dont stress too much

[smoky quarry]

scary truth: all your gear crafting effort is useless, cause we'll have new tier of gear in third region anyway

why bother

[dense widget]

Because we'd do anything for a few 100 dammages extra

😭

[cold bane]

is there a tierlist of gear sets?

[smoky quarry]

i don't wanna be that guy, but...

which scenario

[cold bane]

surely there must be some way to determine what gear set looks best

[smoky quarry]

literally every gear set is personal for the character

it's like asking to do weapon tierlist

[gritty briar]

count of how often it's the bis set for a character

i think xira would just win in that metric cause of how many supports would use it

would be a silly thing to measure

[dense widget]

We could argue some 6 stars weapons are better than other overall

I think he means the same for gears?

[smoky quarry]

for 1 specific character

[dense widget]

Yea ofc then

[smoky quarry]

grand vision is good, but not on akekuri

tierlist in this case is meaningless

[cold bane]

i mean as a simple measure eternal xiranite set seems high-tier because every team kinda wants at least one guy with this set

[smoky quarry]

You need 7 days of protocol dives to get ONE skill from lvl9 to m3

the grind is crazy

(pray for progression materials events)

[tight haven]

no, and for good reason

you invest in gear you're going to use IMMEDIATELY

you wouldnt get/artifice xiranite before your dps gear, for example

[smoky quarry]

+16% damage buff is absolutely negligible

[tight haven]

xiranite is mostly good because it offers a lot of ult gen on top of the passive damage buff

[smoky quarry]

it happens to be used cause it combines intelligence (stat for supports), ult efficiency and dmg buff as a bonus

[tight haven]

xiranite holders want to spam ult and can trigger the set effect, not just one or the other

[smoky quarry]

also we don't have good support sets actually, except for xiranite (negligible bonus)

[cold bane]

i like the swordmaster set alot, using 4x swordmaster on my gilberta shatter team is fun in overworld

[dense widget]

i mean, you one shot pretty much everything in the overworld anyway right

[smoky quarry]

10 stagger for 15 seconds cooldown is not good set effect

[dense widget]

best we have for phys team though no? 😭

better than nothing

[smoky quarry]

there's answer

stacking arts intensity on pogr via pulser or hw

[dense widget]

fair enough

[smoky quarry]

Xiranite effect is just dogwater if we are talking about unit who already has a lot of buffs in damage bracket

[oak vigil]

I MEEEEEAN to be fair, in the phys team iirc you can use like 2 or 3 sets of it at once

(2 if Pogranichnik is running SP regen atk buff set)

So the effects stack and quickly

[smoky quarry]

h

[oak vigil]

Although the issue is that for phys there aren’t any options besides running Da Pan/Endmin and Chen with swordmancer lol

Lifeng? Susceptibility set
Pogranichnik? Sp regen set

Estella? Also susceptibility set (**IIRC, I kinda forgot her kit, correct me if I am wrong)

I just realized Estella/Alesh/Endmin/Lifeng team can work actually

(on other note, my break is ending soon, I’ll reply to pings later)

[wraith bloom]

Did anyone switch to Cuprium gear for BIS or is it just for new characters atm?

[drifting quest]

12 stagger + 250% atk phys damage
plus 20% more stagger efficiency in general (2 extra included on set bonus)

sm is one of the better set bonuses

[drifting quest]

old chars have new gear choices too yes

[smoky quarry]

How much stagger is required by rhodagn?

[drifting quest]

280

[smoky quarry]

not convincing tbh

[honest hill]

We need stagger food

[wraith bloom]

thank you, anywhere nice to take a peek at this?, i wanna compare since ive been saving up clicks 🙂

[smoky quarry]

another food item that can't be used in endgame content? Sign me up

[drifting quest]

iana doc tends to the be the best general compilation, pinned

not perfect and doesnt cover every unit since some arent used in the teams

but better than most other cr's

[honest hill]

They could make ember buff team stagger in general and when she parries too

[smoky quarry]

"could" but never "is"

thing about gacha devs

[wraith bloom]

thank you for pointing me in the right direction, ill give it a read 🙂

[smoky quarry]

if they make dogshit characters, 75/25 it's gonna stay dogshit forever

[honest hill]

Just imagine she buff stagger by 20% + another 10/15% and having high stagger by herself

[smoky quarry]

4/5 stars characters at least have a chance of getting alter, bad 6 stars are never gonna get revived

[honest hill]

True

[smoky quarry]

please make antal buff like xaihi

[shut cobalt]

which armor is best here? or is it very little diff

[drifting quest]

doesnt matter massively

[shut cobalt]

got it, thanks

[drifting quest]

different people will have different lr and different playstyles and which is best will depend on that

[smoky quarry]

there's funnyman option to lock in to 3x yinglung

set effect fits LR

[honest hill]

I think it's slightly better

@edgy crater knows how strong it is

[drifting quest]

unfavourable attributes means its a gimmick set that relies on overkilling anyway

for a quicker rot

[hollow swan]

Rhod rotation im working with. I'd really like to fit in an Alesh BS before the final Tangtang BS for the finchaser debuff but i don't think i can find the SP for that.

oh i just realized i don't have Xaihi setup with uge

[dry kindle]

Not on doc units aren't real

[honest hill]

so it's not better

[drifting quest]

it has its place in some timelines

but ive yet to see calcs that bias it in typical ones

[honest hill]

so it can be better

[drifting quest]

yes

in 1 skill lr timelines

[honest hill]

ah so in general it won't be better

[drifting quest]

or the 0 skill lr ones but those are

haha

[honest hill]

[wispy shuttle]

The timeline in iana doc with tt actually takes a long time to activate tide

[quartz horizon]

[hollow swan]

finishers recover SP right?

[drifting quest]

yes

[hollow swan]

okay huge. that actually solves the SP issue i was having in this timeline

[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

relying on finishers for sp is

an interesting choice

[dry kindle]

Boss specific stagger hp:

[hollow swan]

yeah idk i feel like finishers are fairly reliable. like it makes sense for a specific boss timeline like this i think. Alesh P1 is also helping here.

that final tt bs kinda misses the weakness window though which isn't ideal

there should probably be some more dodges thrown in there in the last half

this is with 148% uge on Xaihi. everyone else is at 100%.

[drifting quest]

Phase change? Dodge windows? Etc

Same rot can have different stagger

[hollow swan]

ya i mean if my characters were fully built Rhod would probably phase before the end of this rotation

actually idk what causes him to phase

is it just damage dealt?

[dry kindle]

<65% HP or something + not staggered

[hollow swan]

hmm i just had him phase while he was staggered so im not that part is true

[gritty briar]

he unstaggers if you hit the hp threshold

like the bar will just reset instantly and he'll slowly stand back up and phase

[honest hill]

Yeah he gets really mad

[hollow swan]

ya like i staggered him and then it a second after the finisher it just cut to the scene

[shadow valve]

what am I looking at bro

[dry kindle]

Technically right

[shadow valve]

is this the same as those excel parapgrahps from mental limbus company youtubers

[hollow swan]

its just a rotation timeline wdym

[shadow valve]

this game can't be this serious

[hollow swan]

i mean its not really but it's keeping me busy

id like to turn all this work into a yt video but don't really have the tools for that. among other issues.

[honest hill]

it's a tc channel

idk what u expected

[hollow swan]

physical really is the easiest team to play isn't it.

i feel like i can execute my phys team pretty well. not so much with this tt team

[shadow valve]

theory crafting about you know lore of the game

not frame perfect execution of combo skills ultimates and m1 cancels

[honest hill]

lore? That's for the #lore-room I believe

[hollow swan]

it's kind of both i guess. there isn't a dedicated channel for lore stuff it seems

oh nvm

[shadow valve]

second time I looked at this server

my bad

[honest hill]

it's fine i only just discovered the lore channel just now

[daring dove]

I mean it depends what you mean, Tangtang is clearing 95% of content just by spamming bs + cs + bs in a few seconds.

Phy team doesn't clear faster than that.

[normal tangle]

can't you just chen bs cs endmin crush

that's like the same thing

[honest hill]

In physical team who is most likely getting replaced

if ever a future phys unit that comes and can fit into current phys team

[hollow swan]

you have a point there. im more talking about longer rotation scenarios. my teams aren't fully built out yet.

[daring dove]

Main dps or chen I'd suspect, doubt it's Lifeng or Pog.

[normal tangle]

idk lifeng is very replaceable

[honest hill]

Ia lifeng that strong in phys team valiant

[normal tangle]

unless new operator requires phys susc, he's most likely first to go

[drifting quest]

Whoever hg decides to replace gets dropped

[normal tangle]

1.3 will get pog replacement i promise

[honest hill]

Nooo

He aura farms

[lyric latch]

Li Zhiyan Physical Vanguard with Breach tag?!

[normal tangle]

his anims are so lame 💔

who the hell is li zhiyan

[drifting quest]

Phys VG? Pog gone
Phys buffer? Lifeng gone
Crusher? Endmin/dapan gone
Chen arguably most future proofed due to replacement needing to compensate for both her damage and stacking

[drifting quest]

Trailer liberi

[normal tangle]

man i really gotta watch that trailer huh

[honest hill]

Chen is so peak

Even got upgrade this patch

[normal tangle]

is there another story chapter with rossi banner or is it per patch

do we know

[honest hill]

[drifting quest]

Side story

[normal tangle]

oh just the story event thing?

[drifting quest]

Same as wulf / yvonne / gilb / laev

[hollow swan]

is there a new trailer?

[drifting quest]

Not that I am aware of

[hollow swan]

are we talking about the character in blue that shows up in the preview for 1.2?

i didn't realize we had a name for them

[dry kindle]

Wannabe feixiao

[quartz horizon]

lol who?

not feixiao

[smoky quarry]

that buff fox woman?

thanks for reminding, I forgot this one

[smoky quarry]

Li zhiyan

[dry kindle]

Or leotard horni posting

🗿

[smoky quarry]

(my speculation) she might be electric vanguard for fangyi

[dry kindle]

Arclight already homeless

[hollow swan]

how do you know their name tho?

[smoky quarry]

i used google

[dry kindle]

Because I said so

[hollow swan]

oh she was in CBT2 wth

[smoky quarry]

she was leaked from cbt2, since then devs are scared to leave anything in the files

and never do predownloads

mfs can't handle people knowing about the character too early

[quartz horizon]

such a cute liberi

[hollow swan]

looks like they buffed her outfit

[dry kindle]

Datamined

[smoky quarry]

perlica is still better, but I like her too

her non-chalant look gives off lycia to me a bit

[dry kindle]

Perli doesn't have leotard

[smoky quarry]

what?

[hollow swan]

neither does Li as far as i can tell

[dry kindle]

She does smh

[hollow swan]

honestly i can't find any images of her. i searched the same thing as outside did but got different results.

[smoky quarry]

i literally dropped my google search here

[hollow swan]

i know thats what im saying. well actually i didn't use google i just used whatever edge uses like bing or whatever

[smoky quarry]

She looks very striking, I really like red eyeshadows on characters. Irl they always look terrible on women somehow

[hollow swan]

ok yeah it was bing being trash im getting results now

[smoky quarry]

Actually it's eyeliners, but ok

and I like that she got two sets of ear tufts

[dry kindle]

https://vxb23.tv/S0owOpC

[smoky quarry]

twice the body language

[smoky quarry]

open thighs and armpits 😭😭😭

designers are cultured fr fr

I thought it woudn't be the case cause she looked tightly clothed

[dry kindle]

Leotard go brr

[hollow swan]

i feel like calling her outfit a leotard is a stretch. like i kinda see it but idk

[smoky quarry]

Oh, leotard is basically bodysuit

full-cover sportive swimsuit

Nah, not the case

Doesn't looks like leotard at all

[potent hornet]

never go full leotard

[dry kindle]

🗣️

[smoky quarry]

I kinda like leotard more than normal swimwear, despite the fact that it covers more skin

[dry kindle]

https://vxb23.tv/N0JV9vu inb4 I get shot for horni posting

[smoky quarry]

if we are talking about design

[hollow swan]

it can be more like a one piece swimsuit

[dry kindle]

Ok

Thanks thumbnail

🗿

[hollow swan]

nice

[smoky quarry]

camera shots are important for story

type of shit

[hollow swan]

yeah alright she is wearing a leotard under her other clothing

[dry kindle]

🗿

[quartz horizon]

[smoky quarry]

what kind of design choice is this, kinda flat overall, but still nice?

[smoky quarry]

she has separated stagger animation for greater viewpoints

anything but perlica event somehow

[dry kindle]

Its just that flap thing covering it whatever tf you call it

[smoky quarry]

I still don't see, guess I'll have to wait for better camera shots next time

from developers and cc

[dry kindle]

🗿

[hollow swan]

official 1.2 releases can't come soon enough

[smoky quarry]

I never thought I'd like bird design actually

Those ear tufts are really nice for body language

[hollow swan]

i imagine we'll get some drip shortly after Rossi banner drops

[dry kindle]

https://vxb23.tv/DU4mNpv tangtang buff 🗣️

[smoky quarry]

Rossi... she only gets out of this chat feet first

short summary:

1. If you slot rossi with heat generators, you lose phys buffers (lifeng and pogr), and damage is miserable
2. if you slot rossi with phys buffers, you lose heat conversion and application is miserable (at this point just slot chen)

there's no way she will be as good as normal phys team without being powercreeped like hell

[potent hornet]

she is gonna have her own team

[elder skiff]

what if they give her diabolical multipliers

[smoky quarry]

Right now strong characters are made strong by supports, they can't work by themselves. Doubt they'll change something for rossi

[elder skiff]

strong characters can solo and work on their own, can’t say the same for yvonne though

[potent hornet]

looks at catcher solo trims* uhhuh

[smoky quarry]

how about you trim my buckler

this isn't measure of a good character

and catcher is a fraud

[dry kindle]

Fund me

[potent hornet]

end of the day, the game is designed as a 4 player team and having a character that just does it all by themselves is counter intuitive to the game design of building teams.

[smoky quarry]

"now I'm gonna show you how to deal damage on snowshine"

> Pulls out P5 Khravengger that costs more than my laptop

[potent hornet]

doesn't everyone have p5 khrav on Snowshine?

[smoky quarry]

you ARE part of the problem 😭😭😭

[hollow swan]

did you get that screen from account?

[potent hornet]

thats mine yes

[hollow swan]

wildstyles

she deserves it tbh

[potent hornet]

i'm a dolphin, i got forcefed Khrav and LR

[fresh trench]

Hey my snowshine is not fraud she is just very bad solo

[potent hornet]

the rest of my roster is lackluster

[smoky quarry]

dolphin spends less than 100 dollars per month

this unit costs at least 500 dollars

[potent hornet]

When did that tier list come out?

naw

[smoky quarry]

average consensus

[potent hornet]

i got it really quick

[smoky quarry]

so, you got 6 copies of ts without hitting hard pity once?

[potent hornet]

i'm pretty sure yea

gimme a sec

i have the pull record stashed somewhere

[smoky quarry]

I genuinely believe that the casino is rigged for people who donate

it can't be real

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[potent hornet]

hmmm my pics of the pulls must have just been copy pasted,

[potent hornet]

300 pulls total for p5 khrav

[smoky quarry]

you mean 30 issues

[potent hornet]

yerp

30 10 pulls

unsure on the luck value for that

[smoky quarry]

1 issue costs approximately 25 dollars

[potent hornet]

most of the ones i dumped into that were from free sources

i didn't start spending for khrav until i got p3

[smoky quarry]

so at least 250 dollars. How much were LR pulls if you are ok with telling about it?

[potent hornet]

1 LR was a choice from Horizon

so free

LR is also from multiple sources

2 from basics in 213 pulls

[smoky quarry]

yeah, you're past dolphin at this point

welcome to whale club

[potent hornet]

i also had p2 LR before i started spending

[smoky quarry]

Usually people don't spend more than 2-5% of their monthly income for hobbies, which is somewhat around 100-200 dollars. That's where the line is drawn between middle and high spenders

[potent hornet]

lol wut?

you don't have many friends that play warhammer huh?

or any table top minature game for that matter

[smoky quarry]

Let's be real, spending more than 25% of monthly income for warhammer figurines is financially irresponsible

[potent hornet]

who said i'm responsible

[smoky quarry]

[potent hornet]

5% of a monthly income barely covers paint depending how deep you are in the trenches

that aside i'm just a drop in the bucket compared to some of the real whales in here

[smoky quarry]

yet you are amongst them by social marker

[potent hornet]

at best i'm the wide eyed street urchin thats allowed in the house that whispers "notice me senpai"

i sadly had to stop pulling for TangTang, couldn't do it anymore. Gave me my 7th LR

[smoky quarry]

free signature

it's actually cheaper this way than using banners

[potent hornet]

naw thats only 10 coins

7 is only 1 spare copy

[smoky quarry]

2 legendaries are easier to pull than one sig depending on your luck

[potent hornet]

haven't decided what i will use purple tokens on yet if i do get another LR

wait, aren't we supposed to have discount event?

[smoky quarry]

it's actually sanity giveaway this time

they just mail you 3 sanity injectors daily

[potent hornet]

that is worse, i thought they were giving us the boosters to use in the event

[smoky quarry]

it's the same

with sanity discount you had 4.5 protocol dives daily

this time they just give you 1.5 dives worth injectors

but, now we will have stupid people on reddit whining that all injectors expired

it'll happen in a week

[potent hornet]

i don't know how people aren't using them

[smoky quarry]

apparently, they are just lazy

cause when you pile up like 20 dives worth of injectors, it takes time to finish them all

[potent hornet]

with any reasonable team 20 dives is like a half hour of play

[smoky quarry]

more like 10-15 minutes

cause 1 dive takes 30-45 seconds

[potent hornet]

i'm accounting for the lazy people

[smoky quarry]

realistically they could have just popped 3 injectors per day

which is 4 dives instead of 3

2 if sanity pass is used

so it takes the same time

[potent hornet]

i'm blowing through all mine as soon as i get em, still haven't gotten Memory essence

see them on reddit showing like 11 injectors wasted

blows my mind

[signal sundial]

Oh is that what the sanity thing is

Kek

[oak vigil]

It also warns you via mail if they are soon to run out

Like 2-3 days beforehand iirc

I almost blew on like 20 of them when I was still completing the story and factory lol, used them after the warning

[umbral galleon]

I still got like 3k+ worth of sanity

[smoky quarry]

and you have largeass "2d" icon on your inventory

[iron iris]

"Gilberta"

im fucking cooked.

[smoky quarry]

Rossi mains choosing whether they will run phys buffers or heat applicators

(both are suboptimal and rossi is a third-wheel)

[quartz horizon]

rs

[iron iris]

@smoky quarry she might just be bait. what do you mean we're running pog that breach is NOT helping her ult dmg

[smoky quarry]

it doesn't matters, rossi is supposed to be vuln-generator for endmin (and for pogr at that matter)

thing is, you either won't have enough heat inflictions, or you won't have any phys buffs (at all)

[iron iris]

Until we know what her sig does theres no point, basically.

[smoky quarry]

it can't do something crazy like generating heat stacks

it's either self-buff or team-buff

[iron iris]

fuck

[normal tangle]

genuinely what are you talking about

either way it's 120 sanity per day

complaining just to complain

[smoky quarry]

reading comprehension curse in tc is real

[fresh trench]

I successfully artificing twice

this will improve ardelia solo by 1 frame

[smoky quarry]

I don't even wanna correct these people

[fresh trench]

they wanna hoard one arkillion sanity and wait for the lappland banner

[smoky quarry]

lappland banner will happen only if stocks will tank

trust me

(stop supporting devs so it happens quicker )

[quartz horizon]

its already going downhill

[fresh trench]

i will fund arknight anime,you cant stop me

[fresh trench]

it is?

[quartz horizon]

sadly

[smoky quarry]

1.1 showed nothing conceptually new

I'm suprised that HG didn't faced any backlash, just loss of players

beginner's luck I guess

[quartz horizon]

1.3 at the latest needs some huge changes

[smoky quarry]

if they plan to dripfeed us 60 pulls per patch, then they will be in trouble

[fierce nest]

it will happen at the end of wuling trust

mythic+ dungeons

[iron iris]

theres absolutely a need for more pulls, definitely

[smoky quarry]

Type of shit gryphline expects you to do for 150 oroberyls

[chilly raft]

ball

[fresh trench]

i waiting for game to stabilized,everything they did is a little too little for each patch,like the tarkov game mode,i finish every quest in like what 30 minutes? for new quest,that is super little reward 😭 3 rolls for permanent banner,WHAT

[chilly raft]

farming essence kinda

sleepable

[smoky quarry]

2.1 pulls from supply event, timegated to a week

stretch out the pleasure

[iron iris]

i got half of the crates in the hub in valley 4 and i still feel like im an underpaid slave

[chilly raft]

my lifeng with just good essence in the right weapon have bigger atk than John Endfield with full upgrade and bad essence

[smoky quarry]

If you publically say that you are not satisfied with how GH treats f2p-medium spenders, people like this appear

[fresh trench]

new sticker for camera tho?

[smoky quarry]

if anything, we have the rights to demand anything, cause without the rest of the playerbase whales will get lonely

[fresh trench]

i waiting for them to add housing and fishing

[fierce nest]

fishing is the real endgame

[gritty briar]

can't believe a game released without fishing

[chilly raft]

out of cook can you even do anything with fish

you have plenty of food buff already

[quartz horizon]

not when trimming i believe

[smoky quarry]

debuffs and buffs stop, cd timers do not

[chilly raft]

unless they make housing and fish tank

[gritty briar]

fish would be the most powerful creatures in endfield because water is lethal in this world

[icy remnant]

1.2-1.3 is supposed to be the bigger patch
Gonna still take a while to wait till 1.1 is over

[quartz horizon]

22 more days

[icy remnant]

60 pulls a patch is straight pulled from the ass though
Even non expiring pulls estimate is 70

[fresh trench]

they keep teasing me with npc doing fishing and ALESH,AAAAAA

[icy remnant]

And that's ignoring credit shop

[fresh trench]

(also this is funny she said let it flood i will fishing)

[smoky quarry]

Genuinely, where did you got these numbers

[icy remnant]

What about you
I can source it to you but I don't see the point in the effort right now

[chilly raft]

dispell food ☕

[smoky quarry]

I ran a calc myself

[icy remnant]

That explains it

There's a book keeping Google sheets

[smoky quarry]

yeah, my calc doesn't includes things like, TWENTY OROBERYLS FROM TANGTANG TRAINING

[icy remnant]

That's a you problem

[smoky quarry]

this is bullshit source

[fierce nest]

doomers rn sound crazy, wuling isnt even finished. id judge it after wuling tbh.

[smoky quarry]

cause not everyone can get it

[icy remnant]

Oh you mean the training after getting the operator

Nah of course not

The one that's expiring soon when the banner is up is counted tho

[iron iris]

wait thats right i havent done my operator training yet

[smoky quarry]

they make up 20 pulls per patch

they are good for getting 50/50 pity I guess

[icy remnant]

I'm talking about combat drills

If you count expiring pulls its 80+

-90

[smoky quarry]

it is included in book keeping

20 from rossi and tangtang training

[icy remnant]

You can exclude it yourself man it's just 20

[smoky quarry]

including things like twitch rewards that are easily skippable

and you'll never be able to get them if you missed that 2h stream

[icy remnant]

Anyways the discrepancy is way too big

You're missing a whole 10 pulls

Stop trying to blame nonsense like 20 oros from training

[smoky quarry]

Tell me what major source of pulls did I missed then

[icy remnant]

I do dislike that everyone ignores credit shop income though
Especially when even someone logging in and claiming daily can refresh 1+2 times a day
And those vising friends + occasional clues are doing 1+3 refreshes a day

[smoky quarry]

I don't wanna flame that guy, but the number looks very inflated to me

[icy remnant]

None of the book keeping sources I've seen cares about credit shop

[smoky quarry]

which I did accounted, and it's only 1.5 pulls per month

in case you get every orob per month

[icy remnant]

the arsenal tickets are the huge part

[smoky quarry]

oroberyls have 13% chance to appear on refresh btw

not even close to being guaranteed

[icy remnant]

bro I'm the one who made the post

Yes

1200 arsenal tickets a month if u min max is alot

[smoky quarry]

unstable 600 arsenal tokens, that's what I got in last 30 days

Yes, I kept score

Yes, I minmaxed credit shop

[icy remnant]

You refreshed 5 times a day?

[cinder oxide]

2 more wp banner pulls to selector box

Need to get lucky within 2

[icy remnant]

I’ll be wanting to add more data from April onwards but so far hard to get more

[cinder oxide]

Either JET or Therm pls

[smoky quarry]

if credits allowed, sometimes you just get 5 clue 7 in a row

[sterile moat]

pull refunds from shop? from the quota stuff

[smoky quarry]

That would require pulling

I count pulls that you can actually save for the next patch

[sterile moat]

you said major source of pull

[icy remnant]

That’s so disingenuous

[smoky quarry]

Actually I just don't know conversion rate

well, actually

1 5 star per 10 pulls

50 pulls per 1 pull worst-case scenario

[icy remnant]

Actually nah okay u mean that
People don’t count that under income

But yea pull income is ~70 right now and ontop of that there’s expiring pulls
And if you credit refresh 5x a day that’s 1200 Arsenal tickets and 487.5oros

From currently estimated data

[smoky quarry]

You know that this kind of thing is very unstable in a short span?

Like in a span of a patch

It'll even out in years to be actually that

[icy remnant]

Sure

One thing I’ve found that’s common amongst every person is that the credit shop refresh is ~50% per refresh to be either Arsenal tickets or Oros

Regardless of who I asked

So you can treat it like flipping a coin for a currency every single time

There’s no one getting unlucky flipping 150 coins in a month

The inconsistent part is getting enough coins to flip

Which would require work in finding clues

[smoky quarry]

didn't you made a post of the probabilities?
40% being arsenal tokens
13% being oroberyls

[icy remnant]

Yes

[smoky quarry]

how is it coin flip

[icy remnant]

53%

Per refresh

[elfin smelt]

friend's sheet he does 4 manual refresh a day

[smoky quarry]

i wonder if he takes into account the fact whether he can actually afford oroberyls and tokens

[elfin smelt]

he did buy all of them

[smoky quarry]

sometimes they are on 99% sale, sometimes they have no sale and you get drained of credits for the rest of the day

[icy remnant]

It’s not hard to buy all of them if you are willing to clue swap

#clue-exchange-asia is where I do a lot of it

That means every clue exchange you get 7 clues that you swapped for 30-40 each plus the 400 on starting the exchange and 300 for ending the exchange

[smoky quarry]

isn't it better to preserve 2 types of each clue?

[elfin smelt]

consistently getting like 1k6-1k8 credits a day if you can give a bit of effort

[icy remnant]

No

Swap

As in you trade your clue 5 for their clue 5

[cinder oxide]

Yeah I always manage to full refresh shop

[icy remnant]

You gain a free 30-40 clues doing nothing

[smoky quarry]

So, money generated out of nothing?

[icy remnant]

Yes

[smoky quarry]

wow, this is bullshit

[icy remnant]

I max refresh every single day

Using that

In fact I need to swap now cya

[smoky quarry]

most of the people won't care enough to bother other people or themselves that much though

so relying on this trick isn't objective, it's a matter of minmaxing that's not dependant on you

[elfin smelt]

well in that case you can get a throwaway account and use it as a clue slave

[icy remnant]

That’s why you’ll need to calculate a range
3 refresh a day super casual
4 a day efficient
5 a day hardcore

It only gets a lot “harder” as you go to 5 cus of the last refresh costing 200

I count the daily refresh as a refresh

3 refresh a day is doable by anyone who even logs in

[smoky quarry]

I do 4, unless I hit into something like oroberyl with no sale

Preserve 300 for the next day

actually I should halve oroberyl income on my calc, nobody is getting one on average every day

[cinder oxide]

@icy remnant Nothing to give u but swap 3?

[icy remnant]

But yea having a crowd sourced google sheets to tabulate all the data is good
Even though we know the probability per refresh of the shop should be near 50 it’s nice to know the actual statistics of the spread

[cinder oxide]

[icy remnant]

Let me see

[cinder oxide]

I’m not starting an exchange td

Have alr hit full refresh

Crap rolls td

[icy remnant]

Low key good day for bad luck

[cinder oxide]

Frfr

Time to rebuild clue stock

[elfin smelt]

the day I didn't get any good roll I genuinely thought it's bugged

[cinder oxide]

Might get 2 full sets td

[icy remnant]

@cinder oxide no 3

[cinder oxide]

Rip it’s fine I’ll find someone

[icy remnant]

I'm looking to swap 12546

[cinder oxide]

I just swapped a 245 earlier

[icy remnant]

I'm gonna start doing my new data set today

Interesting
The rewards are not static

It’s not a lot but the way they do things make it hard to guesstimate event sources before it finishes

[smoky quarry]

upped estimate from 2.1 pulls to 2.2 pulls

🥳

[icy remnant]

Implication is more for future

That means they can easily just time gate events and we won’t know the income before the event finishes

Unless data mine

[smoky quarry]

they can also give us 20 pulls in next 15 days

I'll officially apologize in writing in that case

[icy remnant]

What you’re gonna email them or what

Signed w your name

[smoky quarry]

email the .pdf file of my apologize written in document

[icy remnant]

“Who tf is this guy”

[smoky quarry]

more like "我不懂英語"

[icy remnant]

Are you racist

Obviously they understand English

Especially people working in the department that is supposed to receive and send emails

[noble tapir]

How impactful is leveling Xaihi to 90?

[cinder oxide]

Do you like dmg

If so, impactful

[icy remnant]

It’s really expensive