theorycrafting

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1MPALz2EfL
@edgy crater

2 rots, one from the 18s and mine w ult

[smoky quarry]

how I feel knowing that progression materials won't be a problem in a few months, cause I won't be able to afford new chars

[honest hill]

What a whel omg

[warped sorrel]

its like the zipline is trash overtime!

[dry kindle]

Whel

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV13ww1ziEEZ
the 18

[smoky quarry]

I saw a summary of the spins in 1.1; it says 80, but that number is inflated, to put it mildly. In reality, the number of limited pulls is expected to be 60, unless devs suddenly come to their senses and add another 20 spins in the latest events before 1.2

I hope that 1.1 was just filler update and they won't go like that further

[halcyon zenith]

for this team i just artifice the ult gain first, then full set for LR followed by full set (at least of the stats she can use) for tangtang? anything else necessary?

[outer ermine]

that crit tt is gonna be a menace

[honest hill]

Yes ult gain

[daring dove]

Only if you're spamming food buffs otherwise don't bother.

Or using Wedge.

[honest hill]

is wedge tt even that good

[daring dove]

If you don't have sig Wedge + CR build Tangtang increases in value.

[honest hill]

How much worse it is compared to BP wep + bonekrusha and Sig + Bonekrusha

[daring dove]

Well you're gaining another 10% ATK consistently when you have Wedge's 19.5%CR to prop up Tangtang's only 10% inherent CR wiithout it. So unless you're using CR food you won't be hitting 5 stacks on CR set for Tangtang without really good RNG.

[glass wind]

Is a 2 Stats gear better than Offset gear with 1 single stat like Agi?

[smoky quarry]

Depends on the main stat

[daring dove]

It's definitely going to perform better than Bonekrusha if you have Wedge since you can skill get pretty much the same BS total.

But you get more ATK%.

[smoky quarry]

Single-stat gears usually have higher number on the attribute

[glass wind]

Theres a new red gloves that has high Agi with high Ultimate dmg. I was thinking of giving it to Rossi

[dry kindle]

CRIT MENTIONED

[smoky quarry]

You should consider building rossi when we'll actually get her

cause we don't know if she's even gonna be good

[glass wind]

You think I play chars base off meta?

[smoky quarry]

you are in theorycraft

if you don't play by meta, there's a room above us

Continuing on the topic, rossi's overall usefulness is entirely up to her damage multipliers cause of her gimmicky kit

[warped sorrel]

gotta hangout here when rossi release

so i wont pull a sad operator by accident

[daring dove]

I'm mostly interested in her synergy with Tangtang at this point. For me the meta revolves around Tangtang rn, but luckily for Rossi Tangtang should be a better Wulfguard for her team.

[smoky quarry]

If she can't flesh out enough of damage, then she'll fall very far behind

in terms of ranking

[smoky quarry]

actually it is best to wait a week before pulling, if your pulls are hard-earned

people were doomposting tangtang, now guess who's the most glazed cryo character to ever exist

[warped sorrel]

if that i wont pulling her

i dont want a character who need another limited character

tired of premium team

[daring dove]

That's pretty much going to be a theme running forward I fear.

[smoky quarry]

imagine having three event legendaries that go into the same team, and their banners go one after another

[drifting quest]

no unit currently needs another limited unit though

[warped sorrel]

if they start doing that i just quit

[smoky quarry]

actually you don't need to imagine, that's gilberta, yvonne and tangtang

awesome play from the devs

[drifting quest]

if you arent minmaxxing then it stops being an issue

[smoky quarry]

Feels like you are missing big when you see "30% team dps difference"

[warped sorrel]

i hate chopping character kit into 2 or more character

[drifting quest]

when you rephrase it as like 200% > 230%

then it looks a bit different

[tight haven]

the content in this game is factually too easy for it to matter

[warped sorrel]

just so if you love one you have also to get another dude

[smoky quarry]

I'll be a little sad if liberi will be cryo support

[warped sorrel]

if the character feel bad to play without the other limited one is also the worst

[warped sorrel]

i will be so mad actually

[honest hill]

Rip

[warped sorrel]

im aiming for her

[smoky quarry]

i actuallly downplayed the word "a little"

[honest hill]

Who is liberi

[drifting quest]

itd be so funny

i hope it happens

[smoky quarry]

if that's the case I'll pull for lycia and that's all

[quartz horizon]

liberi is a race in ak

[smoky quarry]

striking bird woman from upcoming operators

[honest hill]

idk what they look like

[honest hill]

Ic

[quartz horizon]

staight up just called liberi?

[warped sorrel]

i hope mi fu is defender

just to piss some people off

[drifting quest]

liberi is the race

[honest hill]

I think she is

[tight haven]

liberi = people with bird features

[smoky quarry]

her design does looks familiar to ember fundametally

[warped sorrel]

like her big chest?

[tight haven]

perlica is a liberi, pog is a liberi (technically a hippogriff)

[quartz horizon]

isnt it birds with human features

[smoky quarry]

General vibes

[smoky quarry]

pog is a liberi, hippo subspecie

to be precise

actually it's phenotype if I'm not mistaken

[warped sorrel]

the only operator i looking forward for rn

[drifting quest]

if you're being technical its the several hundred generation descendents of birds turned into human like hybrids by originium

[smoky quarry]

Lycia is hot in a lot of ways actually

and she has similar vibe to lizhiyang as I feel

specifically the look

[warped sorrel]

she just talulah lookalike for me
not really feel original

i mean like "New"

[drifting quest]

thats the point

[tight haven]

it's just a liberi with kuranta (horse) bits too

[smoky quarry]

Comparing lycia to talulah is like comparing savage to avywenna

They just share some traits, and that's all

[tight haven]

the only two we know of are hellagur (pog) and koshelna

[warped sorrel]

if i want lookalike operator i would go for frostnova

because shes dead

[smoky quarry]

sir, second uma has hit the endfield

[warped sorrel]

savage doesnt wield electricity tho

[smoky quarry]

savage also has a crush on mc though

it's always bunnies

amiya doesn't counts, she's donkey

[warped sorrel]

if rossi story is good i might pulling her

i hope it is
i like her design and gameplay

[smoky quarry]

Her viability is up to damage numbers

If she has bad raw damage, not even signature is gonna save her

[warped sorrel]

there is no way a guard would hit hard

[tight haven]

the similarities are obvious but id be surprised if they were related at all

the hair part at the top in particular is what gets me

but i doubt shes a reconvener

[twilit quail]

distant relative

[warped sorrel]

tbh i might pulling her out of nostalgia

[tight haven]

yeah if anything shes either a descendant or she just looks like that to drive speculation

[drifting quest]

same as chen and chen qianyu

[smoky quarry]

Imagine lappland reconvener. Her unhinged behaviour was induced by oripathy syndrome apparently, so she might not be crazy this time

[proud vector]

Bipolar Lapland

[tight haven]

a lappland who's mentally stable sounds funny

[smoky quarry]

maybe mildly crazy

[warped sorrel]

what would her personality look like

[twilit quail]

introverted lappland

[proud vector]

fck girlfail is my weakness

11/10 would pull

[warped sorrel]

what if she like sucrose

i would hate that but it will be funny

[smoky quarry]

the savior complex is too strong somehow

[twilit quail]

lappland will only release when they desperately need money anyway

[manic blade]

how good is tangtang dps at p5

like better than yvonne/last rite low pots teams w tangtang?

[twilit quail]

do you have gil p3

[warped sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/frostnova-arknights-video-game-character-gif-17956930

[smoky quarry]

I reckon that it'll happen in 1.4-1.5

[proud vector]

Eh, the money seems to still be flowing

[manic blade]

Ye p4

[warped sorrel]

the content per patch they were adding is kinda small

its like they are cheap'

[twilit quail]

ok then you can use a slab on TT

and it's not bad

[proud vector]

can’t argue against that tbf

[twilit quail]

basically TT main is even more loaded into burst than LR

[proud vector]

It’s going on life support for me until Rossi now

[twilit quail]

you have to play swordmancer gil xai perl

[warped sorrel]

the story is kinda bad too
but the meta and gacha is good

for now

[manic blade]

fire ty iana

[twilit quail]

with gil p3 you can play 0 ult gain tangtang

[proud vector]

Eh

[manic blade]

I'll see how pulls go on stream xD maybe not

[twilit quail]

with the 12%

[proud vector]

I kinda liked parts of the story

[manic blade]

ooh

[proud vector]

But it’s a bit Tangtang overload near the end

We also didn’t even resolve anything Xiranite rip

[tight haven]

waiting for fangyi to send perl into a retirement home

🙏

she'll have lv3 electrification for 0 sp at p3 trust

[dry kindle]

🔥

[twilit quail]

miss zhuang is going to float

[tight haven]

(i dont want to raise her at all)

[twilit quail]

like fucking phrolova

and then apply electrification in a 10 km readius

every 3 seconds

for arclight

[proud vector]

elec infliction striker time

[tight haven]

true

[twilit quail]

and then finally

FINALLY

she will be employed

wallahi

[tight haven]

arclight will finally be slightly better than akekuri

[bold rose]

anyone got maths on Xaihi Detonation Unit vs Chivalric Virtue

[twilit quail]

for tangtang?

uhh

in yvonne tt chivalric is like kinda better

and basically even for LR

[proud vector]

Chilvalric is longer duration which Yvonne enjoys greatly yes

[twilit quail]

it has always been very small difference

and the timeline shift makes it better for yvonne

but it's still kinda "who gives a fuck"

there are some circumstances

especially if you are doing super braindead 1/1/2 yvonne

where det unit cant activate at all

so you should just take chiv 100% of the time if circumstances allow

[bold rose]

also who's the best 4th if no Gilb
for Yvonne TT Xaihi
Perlica? Flourite?

[warped sorrel]

real

i like her design tho

[lyric latch]

Electrification Yvonne that forcefully apply electrification on enemies with Electric or Heat Inflictions. Note: she doesnt apply Electric Infliction

[warped sorrel]

but i didnt go for her cause her story is so ass

[twilit quail]

that wasnt what I was talking about at all

[smoky quarry]

I'm loyal to perlica

[warped sorrel]

i cant read

[proud vector]

Unironically goated because p5 Wulf exists

Easy 3 stacker 100sp from one unit

[lyric latch]

and some complain the guy doesnt do dmg

he is doing enough

[tight haven]

speak of the devil

literally just showed up

[bold rose]

bruh how I don't even have one

[tight haven]

goddammit lemme just p5 delivery

[bold rose]

(I have P3 Clannibal for some reason that is always the offrate in my rolls)

[tight haven]

i have p7 clan

👍

it just will not stop showing up

[drifting quest]

ill take a clannibal

you can have my infinite wnn and wedges

i need to consider pulling on a banner to try get a deto or chiv

it sucks so much

[smoky quarry]

What are you gonna do with it, build dps wulfgard?

[drifting quest]

future proofing

testing purposes

etc

ideally id have p0 of everything for testing purposes

[tight haven]

dps wulf is depressing

his mults are low for no reason man

[drifting quest]

but i am neither that lucky nor that rich

[warped sorrel]

i mean he is a caster

[dry kindle]

Whel

[dry kindle]

Casters are meant to be sub dps

[warped sorrel]

i thought caster is meant to just apply elements

[dry kindle]

Stacker + sub dps

Aka tangtang

[drifting quest]

guards and casters have the additional line 'also deal good damage'

paraphrased

beyond stacking inflictions

[frozen tide]

And they generally do

Comparatively

[bold rose]

we need main dps casters

where's our logos

our GG

[potent hornet]

perlica?

[bold rose]

casters in AK are dps cannons

[bold rose]

what does perlica have to do with this
she's the biggest example of a status bot

[drifting quest]

both tangtang and perlica have maindps teams

[smoky quarry]

perlica has more damage share on the team than avywenna in some cases (high invest)

35/45 on graphpie sent by hornymonster

and it roughly feels the same in my game

to the point where I question why there's cautus in my team

[potent hornet]

she has plenty of dmg with her ult not to mention the guy on here that got 1mil dmg finisher with her

just because her main utility atm is a status bot doesn't mean she doesn't do good dmg, also TangTang is a main dps capable caster

[smoky quarry]

she has good damage multipliers in base, awesome dps weapon and crazy pulser set bonus

all cards to dominate in the team

[potent hornet]

Yea, she just also happens to be a great bot for stanza/deto unit depending on her team setup. You could just throw oblivion on her and make her the main dps very easily

[smoky quarry]

She still does decent damage even if you stanza-bot her

[potent hornet]

yerp

[smoky quarry]

better than wulfdawg

[potent hornet]

that is one of the main reasons outside of electrify she is used in most teams, dmg doesn't suck+

[smoky quarry]

I expect new electro dps that will complement perlica, avywenna feels awkward to play after I tried another teams

[potent hornet]

Avy is so special

i really hope they power creep her and give her an upgraded operator thats 6*

[smoky quarry]

❌ You are my special
✅ You are special

[smoky quarry]

Actually good electric vanguard for example

[potent hornet]

sadly i think the new elec unit will be meant to replace her

[smoky quarry]

Anal was like xaihi for electric teams until devs removed all fun from 4-stars

[potent hornet]

i'm assuming that was Antal

[smoky quarry]

Nobody can stop you from slotting them together though

[potent hornet]

or you posted in the wrong chat, giggidy

[honest hill]

yeah and then we need an electric vanguard

[smoky quarry]

Endfield has so much potential for creating new ops. Completely new operators, story characters, reconveners, alters, collaborations

just don't fumble it and give us more pulls

[potent hornet]

i'm gonna bet they are waiting to have the way we farm for basic pulls after the story is complete

[honest hill]

They could've added basic pulls for weekly

[potent hornet]

we will have lvl 90 gear and so much perm content and then they will be like "ok now that the game is actually done*(outside events ect) here are your basic pulls"

[warped sorrel]

they could have do it now

like they arent releasing endgame on release

why

[smoky quarry]

I prepare for the worst and plan 5 teams builds in mind

[honest hill]

they should give us at least 2 basic pulls for weekly, 10 for umbral monument for each side

[smoky quarry]

lead of sales division is rather gonna shoot himself than do any of this

[potent hornet]

i'm starting to learn the way gatchas think a bit now that i have some time under my belt. The biggest things i hear about for arguements for stuff like sanity and pulling for like essences, mats , and the like is that those that can't play as often or no life the game will be left "behind".

[warped sorrel]

how much they giving us per patch?

[smoky quarry]

less than 60 if we are objective

some people calculated 80, but it's very inflated

[warped sorrel]

no like

[honest hill]

I mean a patch is like 5 weeks so 10 pulls + 20 pulls from umbral so 30 basic pulls a patch would be peak so u can get free char every 3 patches

[warped sorrel]

basic only

[smoky quarry]

This patch? 14

[warped sorrel]

thats suck

[smoky quarry]

4 etch, 6 battlepass, 1 shop, and 3 idk where

[smoky quarry]

at least something

[warped sorrel]

but it kinda free arsenal ticket

it still a good portion tho

hoyo give 5 i think

[honest hill]

we're very limited on arsenal ticket source I feel

[smoky quarry]

20 would be a good measure

[honest hill]

also the amount of arsenal tickets u get depends on if u get 4/5/6* being 20/200/2000 so the luckier u are the better

[smoky quarry]

standard tickets shoud not be included in pulls per patch though, unless devs will start adding new chars to the standard banner

Or second standard banner at that matter

[honest hill]

I don't like the system much was implemented badly

the arsenal ticket income is quite bad

[smoky quarry]

The estimate is 100 tokens for pull, based on the average amount of operators you are getting

Note: since it is average of an average, it is very sensible to fluctuations of rng on short scale

[warped sorrel]

i feel ok rn

[smoky quarry]

it'll even out in a years to come

[honest hill]

I feel like it should've been double

40 400 4000

and weekly giving 2x of what it gives rn

[smoky quarry]

that would mean 1 signature every 80 pulls, too generous for them apparently

you know how much we get for supply event?

2.1

[potent hornet]

the drip feed is horrid

[honest hill]

I feel like that is reasonable

1 every 80

[smoky quarry]

it means that you'll get more than 1 signature per legendary, means less arsenal scam

[prisma venture]

no getting around chance in a gatcha game

[warped sorrel]

actually

[honest hill]

Yeah true

[warped sorrel]

the arsenal ticket is kinda ok rn?

its like free 1 feature weapon per 2 patch

[smoky quarry]

I didn't got anything except forgeborn since 1.0 release

imagine people who want to pull more than 1 legendary per 2 patches

[prisma venture]

it's only a scam if you feel bad for gambling

[honest hill]

It's meh at best we need higher arsenal ticket income it feels non existent

[warped sorrel]

i still happy if it better than hoyo slop

[prisma venture]

exactly

[smoky quarry]

HSR and ZZZ are way more generous than that

[warped sorrel]

you guys can keep asking for more tho
because if they actually change it i will have more too

[honest hill]

Good thing I don't play hoyo slop but I do play WuWa I do prefer WuWa's one

[smoky quarry]

HSR straight up had an update delay and devs just gave them time and events to prepare pulls for patch

Ain't that nice

[warped sorrel]

i mean....

wuwa is a

[honest hill]

Say it

[smoky quarry]

Heisenberg

[prisma venture]

rover is peak

[forest ermine]

Do tang tang need ult efficiency?

[warped sorrel]

with that much powercreep?

[drifting quest]

in some rotations yes

[prisma venture]

tang tang needs you to be good at the game

[forest ermine]

Hmmm, I am still choosing between the armor ult efficieny one or mi security gloves

[smoky quarry]

The real powercreep will be introduced when devs will start designing events that way so they are completeable only by specific parties

[warped sorrel]

im ok with the gahca in endfield cause it has no meta nor powercreep rn
and the gacha is better than hoyo slop

[honest hill]

I wish we had something similar to WuWa where u can buy 7 standard/limited/weapon pulls every patch by using the aic bond quota and it should be really cheap to get. I don't count expiring pulls

[warped sorrel]

arent they doing that rn?

[smoky quarry]

I was talking about akef

[honest hill]

HSR does have a lot of powercreep but a lot of people downplay it when units get buffed that only last for a patch or two

[warped sorrel]

the powercreep so bad they buff older character?

[smoky quarry]

I've already seen that AKEF team isn't planning to be different from other gachas

[smoky quarry]

Normal practice

in shitty games

[warped sorrel]

imagine if they buff them and new character also need them

now you have to pull new and old

[honest hill]

It's normal practice to do it so ppl be like devs listened lmao

[warped sorrel]

atleast they look happy

noway im playing hsr

[smoky quarry]

Imagine having more than 10 competitors on the market, and hoping to engage people by character design and not with new strategies

Arknights has a very strong story, worldbuilding and lore. AKEF on top of it looks like fanfiction

[honest hill]

WuWa does need to buff it's 1.x characters some are kinda weak rn, Yinlin is dogwater she was supposed to be "futureproof" because she's a support yet Jiyan a dps survived because he has 2.x units in his team

[warped sorrel]

endfield might make powercreep on gear tho

[honest hill]

Jinhsi also needs buff as well i hate how she misses crits on her nukes + she got no dedicated sub dps

[honest hill]

I think that's the best way to do powercreep for endfield

[smoky quarry]

Is it really powercreep if we just get better options?

[warped sorrel]

that would be so cool
and they will become the best gacha game

[smoky quarry]

It's not that certain gear parts are bad, we just don't have the ones we need

[warped sorrel]

remove gacha-

[warped sorrel]

it is a powercreep

[smoky quarry]

warframe is actually perfect example how gacha should be (not exactly gacha game, but grindfest too)

[honest hill]

they released a mid character yvonne her gameplay is so mid, they release tt and she makes LR team as good as yv*nne team

[smoky quarry]

You actually get something for whaling your time

and not money

I always wanted gachas to be like that

[warped sorrel]

ok so
they should do gear powercreep
always release better gear SO
you have to always farm for Gear upgrade

When you only powercreep gear
you dont have to make your newer operator deal more dmg every once in a while

[honest hill]

grindfest don't work for gacha imo

[smoky quarry]

Imagine if they'll add gear that is strictly better than normal one, but requires some limited resource like mark of persev

[warped sorrel]

you can also make enemie or content harder and harder without powercreep the operator

[smoky quarry]

gachas have innate grindfest already, it's just timegated

[warped sorrel]

worst
if they do something like
event with only a top 100 can have this gear

[smoky quarry]

remove the timegate, tweak variables and give it a try

[warped sorrel]

that would be SO funny

[honest hill]

I do wish they let us know, that we're getting new gear at least 1 or 2 weeks before patch

[smoky quarry]

that would be waste of labor force though

[honest hill]

Yeah I know timegating things make it seem not so much of a grindfest

[smoky quarry]

They can't really make throwaway content

[warped sorrel]

that would make me never upgrade my gear actually

[smoky quarry]

That's why they have to rerun and make infinite events

[warped sorrel]

[warped sorrel]

make every event limited and always give a new gear

that is 1% better

[honest hill]

I mean dev log came out 1 week before patch

[warped sorrel]

but 200% more drip

[smoky quarry]

without any numbers

nor predownload

[honest hill]

I saved my catalysts cuz i never use em till end of week

[smoky quarry]

i mean, cool, we got pictures of an armor

let's theorycraft its stats

[warped sorrel]

FOMO final boss

[honest hill]

From now on I will save them week before patch

In case they add new gear again

[smoky quarry]

pretty sure they will do it every patch, cause why not

still gaps opened

[warped sorrel]

i have heard of a game that give you limited op gear if you are top 10

[honest hill]

Yeah

[smoky quarry]

and we have awkward gear picks

like hotworks on perlica and pogr

[gritty briar]

well if they keep increasing the amount of artificing catalysts, maybe it eventually won't be an issue

[honest hill]

Yeah it's weird

[honest hill]

They can but like shit is so expensive like the new ones is 180k 💀

went from 60 to 120 to 180 next is 240

[smoky quarry]

next ones are 480k for catalyst, 10 catalysts total

[gritty briar]

the total amount of gear i need hasn't increased but the amount of artificing catalysts i get per week has.
If anything the total amount of gear i need per patch is decreasing cause not all of it is being replaced

[honest hill]

Yeah it's dumb

I feel like I cant use my catalysts because I am saving too much lmao

[smoky quarry]

I just buy 40 per week and stockpike rest of the money

just in case

[gritty briar]

i just buy all

[honest hill]

u can buy 80 a week

[gritty briar]

i assume if they add anything else, they'll also increase our income

[smoky quarry]

I don't like that loss/profit window is too short

9.6mil vs 10mil apparently

[gritty briar]

well it is a bit tight

[smoky quarry]

and youu still need gear

that costs money

[honest hill]

Next patch income should go up again and it be 100 catalysts a week

[gritty briar]

pretty sure that 9.6 is already considering that
iirc the catalysts alone are 8.4 mill

[smoky quarry]

I'm kinda fine with amounts of catalysts, I'm timegated in teambuilding anyway

M12 on wife will take me month at least

[honest hill]

What I don't get is red gear costs 16k instead of 8k I don't like that it feels like each new gear in wuling will increase 8k everytime

[smoky quarry]

it won't increase 8k each time, don't worry

it'll double

[honest hill]

[smoky quarry]

they do that with prices

[honest hill]

I really hate it lmao

[gritty briar]

i kinda don't care tbh
negligible cost compared to the catalysts

[honest hill]

yeah ig so

but wish we had a lot of spare money to buy gifts detectors and foods

[smoky quarry]

The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away

Profits increased by 70%, losses increased by 65%

[honest hill]

but it'll happen eventually

[smoky quarry]

that's what they do with outposts

the economy is tight and precalculated

[honest hill]

Wuling will become next v4 we have too much money gear might become useless and we use the next region gear because its lv 80

[gritty briar]

yeah even if all they did was add a 2nd outpost that was as good as the current one, that'd be another 7 mill per week.
They have to keep raising costs for the wuling stock to be relevant

[honest hill]

idm raising costs but let us at least have spare bills for extra stuff

[fresh trench]

hewwo,after calculation if i wanna trim with ardelia i have to kill rhodan after stagger in his phase 2,problem is how can i make him stagger faster or kill him in stagger stage faster

[honest hill]

I do deliveries everyday like it's a j*b than a daily

Except the V4 ones

[fresh trench]

i do delivery and always look out of wuling one

[gritty briar]

doing the 3 wuling deliveries every day should give you some spare

you break even if you don't do any of them

[smoky quarry]

that's pocket change

[gritty briar]

so doing the deliveries is pretty much all extra

[honest hill]

Try using Jakub legacy and dps wep

[honest hill]

I wish we could filter by region

[smoky quarry]

I managed to build my facility that way so I produce 6/3 components per minute, have self-sustaining factory and just enough money weekly to buy 40 catalysts

I think it's the best option for me now

[fresh trench]

no one will take valley then :<

[honest hill]

Yeah but it feels like it takes kinda long to get to it idk

[honest hill]

valley 4 can die it's only good for gifts now

[gritty briar]

i just make 0.75 of each component per minute
it's already more than i can possibly use per week if i'm artificing with them

[smoky quarry]

I've done all gifts and now I straight up don't need it

I can just disable whole thing

[honest hill]

dw next region will come it will auto disable when ur offline

[fresh trench]

i definitely didnt overreact

[smoky quarry]

weird decision but ok, multimillion company can't afford hardware for that

It's not like stock market has anything useful on refresh anyway

[honest hill]

Yeah it's dumb

[fresh trench]

but i love ginseng more thooooooooooooo

[honest hill]

eventually wuling will die when ur offline

[smoky quarry]

jakub should be better on character with high base atk, like 5k+

[honest hill]

try with jakub

[honest hill]

use a dps weapon

Oh u are

stick w ginseng then

[smoky quarry]

lemme guess, you like ganyu too?

[fresh trench]

i meant i can make her 5k tho but i have to sacrifire hot set which is not good

[fresh trench]

xinyan...

half of community dont even know her

i am that firework woman and uh the shotgun main

i forgor her name

the shotgun rock lady

[smoky quarry]

my friend has a weird horns kink, saying that they can be used as handles

[fresh trench]

havent play in years

[smoky quarry]

probably offtopic though

[fresh trench]

they might love zhu yuan then she have actual handle

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[gritty briar]

[smoky quarry]

he would like endfield so much if he got to wuling

a lot of lungs

[peak void]

is lifeng essence important for phys

[smoky quarry]

with different types of horns

[smoky quarry]

considering his damage share? Yes, it is

lifeng is not support

[peak void]

man this is one expensive team

[honest hill]

is it that much

[smoky quarry]

20-33%, depends on options

[honest hill]

Well yeah phys team is expensive but worth

[fresh trench]

i can make her 5k but that meant no hotset tho

[honest hill]

it's the most compete team

[peak void]

i know its expensive but like essence too? really?

frick

[honest hill]

valiant is how much

[smoky quarry]

you'll probably lose too much on missing +50% nature damage

but yk what

[peak void]

wtf dmg ardelia

[smoky quarry]

try building battle skill damage set

like get 4 pieces of bs damage

and see how that works

[fresh trench]

i tried it but i think with slab its better

[smoky quarry]

It depends on a set

[fresh trench]

like i said i got it down to 2:30 for rhodagn

[honest hill]

Bonekrusha?

[honest hill]

Doesn't he use xira set

[smoky quarry]

bonekrusha on ardelia

[honest hill]

[fresh trench]

atp sure

[smoky quarry]

Swordmancer for personal damage

[fresh trench]

but combo skill is so slow i forgor nvm

[honest hill]

where does most of her dmg comes from

[fresh trench]

17 whole seconds for combo

[honest hill]

Yeah but on spreadsheet pretty sure it's xira set for him

xira set buffing chen and endmin

pog has his weird hotwork pieces

[fresh trench]

surpise 900 int ardelia for no actual reason

[smoky quarry]

swordmancer will be strictly better with HG apparently

"xiranite is good too" implies that they are tied in performance

[peak void]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai

[fresh trench]

u understand something wrong,i didnt make her becuase i like her,its opposite i keep getting her so many times its p4 i am so angry i will make her a dps and suffer and not stop until i trim the first boss with her if hypergrpah gonna screw me with this gacha i will screw them with thier game,this is pure hatred

[honest hill]

It does say it end up better w low pot/no MB I guess thats masteries

[smoky quarry]

love-hate relationship with ardelia is crazy flex

[fresh trench]

i will make her trust stuck at 199 and not increase it until she get to p5 or trim the boss

[smoky quarry]

"a bit"

knowing iana, he really means that, cause otherwise he would leave no option or directly state it

[fresh trench]

thinking of also making xaihi 1000 wills for no reason

[smoky quarry]

like he didn't included perlica as possible flex laeva option cause of <10% dps loss, which is tolerable by my book

but that's fine if the guide is minmax based i guess

[fresh trench]

do you have explaination to why?

[smoky quarry]

if her main damage is bs, and you spam it lot, try buffing it

that's line of logic

if you meant that

[honest hill]

I mean it does say it slightly better w low pot/no MB

[smoky quarry]

I have doubt that xiranite set effect is actually that good, cause 16% of dmg gets lost easily in the shared dmg% bracket

[fresh trench]

thats not good here,cause most set didnt have int for her base attack from stats to work well with her,hotset atleast have will/int if i go for armor with battle skill she will lose out on lot of stats,she also get double debuff but if you focus on battle skill it will consume collosion before she can get actual good damage

[smoky quarry]

It's hard for me to suggest anything ardelia-related cause this character is present in exactly zero team rotations of mine

I just don't like her

[fresh trench]

she is good support,i just hated her

[smoky quarry]

she eats sp and has terrible combo trigger

and she gets replaced by gilberta in half of the cases

[fresh trench]

one problem i dont have gilberta

[smoky quarry]

i guess that's how you got p4 ardelia huh

[fresh trench]

because i have p4 ardelia,HYPERGRAPHHHHHHHHHHH

[smoky quarry]

losing all 50/50 to the sheep?

[fresh trench]

funny is i give er offering everytime i open gacha

and lose no 50/50 after that

(i give gift to her)

[honest hill]

I mean at low pot and investment it seems to do better

[fresh trench]

but the day she reached 200 trust its over and she still not p5 so i will get her stuck at 199 trust until and lose 50/50 again

[smoky quarry]

I left panda on low trust just to farm daily from him

[honest hill]

plus if ur running valiant ur dmg is even lower

[smoky quarry]

Others operators are 200% on my acc

And you can't gift them

[fresh trench]

this is bad,i forced to watch as my sweetheart anywenne give me gift everyday

and i cant give anyting back

[smoky quarry]

you are cautus-lover too?

[honest hill]

I'm guessing if u have his sig

[fresh trench]

i am forced to only recive gift from her and i cant show her my appiciation :<

[honest hill]

plus some pots

u don't run xira

[smoky quarry]

i lost to lifeng three times

so i guess i'll be swordmancing

[honest hill]

plus his sig?

[smoky quarry]

no signatures in this economy

[fresh trench]

anywenna is first character i build she carry me early on,i didnt build her anymore sadly

rn my subgoal is solo with snowshine,solo with ardelia and doing silly stuff

[fresh trench]

i forgor i have lifeng

[honest hill]

Rip

U gotta get his sig

Get itt

[tight haven]

his sig is unfortunately like

one of the best in terms of performance improvement

[fresh trench]

🫵 limbus player

[tight haven]

the next best (valiant) is fine though. the performance gap isnt huge until p3 when it kind of becomes a canyon

[smoky quarry]

Yeah, I'll try it once I'll come across 16k tokens that I don't need

[tight haven]

fwiw you dont really have to

if youre p2 or lower you can just accrue valiant copies

it matches and can outperform p0 sig at p5

just off of constant triggers from his ult and bskill

[drifting quest]

man

debating dropping 8k arsenal tokens for a chiv

brutal

[tight haven]

4 what

[drifting quest]

xaihi

tangtang dps

[tight haven]

you'll get it eventually tbf

[drifting quest]

clueless

[tight haven]

but i mean tangtangs sig IS pretty good

and has chiv in its banner

sooooo

[drifting quest]

id have to do more if i pull on tt banner

id be pulling on like

gilb banner

[fresh trench]

I pulling in permanent banner

help

[drifting quest]

if im lucky i sack a thermite too to be fair

but if i wait then the earliest deto or chiv is back in rotaton is in a month

meh

ill see what rossi sig banner looks like i guess

[peak void]

is it worth using redeemer gear for good match artifice? they cost twice the stock bills..

wait a sec

yea im right

bruh

so is it worth

[edgy crater]

w8, no swap weap?

[outer ermine]

trim rules ye i cant swap that fast prob

[placid fossil]

why do people say sundering steel is better than rapid ascent again?

[terse raptor]

easier to max pot and has atk% buff

rapid ascent needs to be P2 to surpass P5 sundering steel

[lyric latch]

resist your demons

[placid fossil]

isn't the battle and ult dmg buff pretty significant on rapid ascent though?

[drifting quest]

Rascent needs p3+

Or 4 copies

To be better than p5 sundering

[honest hill]

that's cheating

I alr know u do it u whel

[drifting quest]

Which is in turn worse than p3+ memory

[edgy crater]

so u beat the record?

[drifting quest]

So now you need like p5 rascent to be kinda just even with p5 memory

[chilly bolt]

And if you're onfielding chen, the gap is even higher in favor of glorious

Like 11-12% difference

[outer ermine]

2nd, 1st on lr but yvonne is 16.8 or sum

if i killed on combo there 16.9, if i started to run a bit earlier 16.7 lots of if but i aint critfishing 5% again

[edgy crater]

can u kill fatso without xaihi ulti buff?

[outer ermine]

hell nah

1 ult is prob the limit unless their group thinks of something

[edgy crater]

damn

u can cut 2s if u can

[outer ermine]

i still gotta answer the comments damn to increase traffic

crit tt could do something, have to wait till next week till they have the acc ready

[smoky quarry]

so rascent is now completely useless for low-spenders?

[drifting quest]

It was never good for anyone but whales

[smoky quarry]

wrong wording actually

GM is simply best weapon for chen now?

[honest hill]

Yeah was good for whales

[smoky quarry]

It's nice since it's also low spender friendly

[honest hill]

Yeah GM better

[drifting quest]

Per current assumptions yes

[smoky quarry]

you can p5 it by just buying battlepasses

[drifting quest]

Rossi sig could be better in a week and a half

We dont know what it does

[smoky quarry]

cost difference is huge

GM is practically free if you think about it

tangtang bp is trash anyway 🤷🏻‍♂️

[drifting quest]

P0 sig could beat p5 bp

We dont know

[honest hill]

prob 10% better

[smoky quarry]

16k arsenal tokens

[honest hill]

[drifting quest]

10% better on chen is bold

[honest hill]

I mean rossi sig vs P5 rossi wep

[smoky quarry]

it gotta be khrav vs lung type of difference to consider pulling arsenal imo

as f2p

when cheap and free alternatives are just doing slightly worse

[drifting quest]

Something like a teambuff

Would have quite a bit of potential to eclipse existing options

[smoky quarry]

Is delivery guaranteed good btw?

just in case you happen to use stanza in the team already

[drifting quest]

If stanza is occupied then deliv gilb is usually the only alternative

Uge is mandatory for some rots, and makes gearing easier in others

[honest hill]

Rossi wep vs P5 GM could be 10-15% like P5 umbral torch to leva sig

[lime nacelle]

Can someone tell me if I'm doing my rotation OK please? Or if there's anything I could be doing better. What I'm most interested in is if this is normal damage I should be doing, since I see some people doing over 500k.

Oh and sorry about the goofy sound effects. It's something with my recording software.

[smoky quarry]

P5 umbral torch 90%
P0 forgeborn 100%

for clarity purpose

[honest hill]

idk if there are yv*nne mains here

[lime nacelle]

They've all left?!

[honest hill]

Yeah 10% but who knows rossi sig could be like 15%

[smoky quarry]

sig isn't really worth it unless you wanted charge set

[honest hill]

They're imaginary

[smoky quarry]

cause with charge set you lose 20% of dps on top of 10% dmg loss with umbral

[lime nacelle]

Is it because they do negative square root damage?

[honest hill]

so it's even worse?

[smoky quarry]

umbral drops to like 75% if we are speaking charge set

hotworks or slab fine

charge horrible

[honest hill]

What is charge set

[smoky quarry]

4 ult eff pieces

[honest hill]

ew

Who would do that

[smoky quarry]

allows to ult after casting 1 battle skill and 1 combo skill

allowing to effectively be ulted 50% of the time

or so

[honest hill]

so the current redeem armour + 3pc hotworks is fine w umbral

[smoky quarry]

it has exactly same dps as hotworks and slab on forgeborn, just different damage distribution

[honest hill]

Like not bad

[chilly bolt]

You're sitting on too many sp

[smoky quarry]

yeah it's fine

[lime nacelle]

At what parts?

[chilly bolt]

Throughout the whole fight

[lime nacelle]

Ehhh?

[smoky quarry]

anyone who doesn't wants to do crazy setups

it's better for overworld

and a matter of taste for trims and umbral

[lime nacelle]

I can't see where I should be using an extra skill. I know I start the second phase almost capped, but I need to do Tangtang skill and then Yvonne skill, and then ANOTHER Xaihi skill so I can squeeze in the free final strike.

[smoky quarry]

can we get new exploration levels? lvl60 enemies bore me

[lime nacelle]

It makes no sense to use Tangtang's skill when I'm stacking because that'll use up her whirpool, which I only use early so I can trigger corrosion and finish charging her ult. Probably won't have to do that if I artifice.

So I really don't see where I should be spending SP.

[honest hill]

[smoky quarry]

personally I chose hotwork cause big numbers neuron activation

[honest hill]

If only Yvonne was popular

I would tell you

But I'm a LR main

[honest hill]

Yeah w redeemer armour

[smoky quarry]

if only I had p4 laeva to also use hw chest

[chilly bolt]

Tt skill to start so it doesn't consume whirlpool

[smoky quarry]

but i have financial literacy to not do that

[lime nacelle]

I guess I could do that. Would make it easier too since I won't have to time my final attack after Yvonne's skills.

I WILL DEAL WITH THIS TOMORROW!

[queen tundra]

not bad

[fresh trench]

i trying to do 1000 wills xaihi but busy

[queen tundra]

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1VoAjzFEK4

[summer flicker]

my tt finally p5

😭

whale 9$ (6$ monthly and 3$ oro pack)

[dry kindle]

Ok whel

[quartz horizon]

untrustworthy poptarts ahh

[outer ermine]

wtf whel

[summer flicker]

[summer flicker]

nah im slow spender

now i saved till another char that interest me

ok i guess this is the highest attack my tt build can get

7256

well im broke on artificer, those line have to wait

[unique jungle]

https://youtu.be/ji8qTfEAblI?si=ffiu5cPLZaW_O15j
Heres my rot

I fs on tt so she gets the temp amp from xaihi too

[lime nacelle]

I guess I should mention I don't have essences leveled up.

So maybe that's it.

Maybe once I get her signature I'll be able to deal damages.

[fresh trench]

is slab good as a main stats booster even tho it didnt give main/sub stats?

[summer flicker]

maygi calc slab is better for p1+ tt

and tt p0 mdps

[unique jungle]

U should also try to use ur extra sp for more cryo stacks for gilberta corro

[lime nacelle]

Like outside ultimates?

[unique jungle]

And u dont proc the 3 watersprouts

[lime nacelle]

I'll try saving it for her ult and ult a bit earlier.

[inland quarry]

How much attack should a maxed p0 lr w/ p0 sig have?

[edgy crater]

depend on gear

but should be around 5.4k

[inland quarry]

Alright, just finished artificing her gear and wanted to sanity check the attack

[willow blade]

the gearing in the new tangtang + Lr team in the doc in the pins feel really unorthodox, I see that the team traded a lot of dmg on both tang and lr for more consistent ults. What is the exact rotation that this new weird team is built for?

[carmine jackal]

How much of a team dps increase is Gilberta with her signature compared to her next best weapon

[obsidian oriole]

the Last Rite as Main DPS also swaps Xaihi for Ardelia... I don't think that's ever a good idea in an LR/TT team

[smoky quarry]

I woudn't exactly say that delivery guaranteed is good, it scales arts dmg%, and dmg% is weakass buff

It's the only option when stanza is already occupied on the team though

[proud vector]

on the pinned sheets? She's listed as absolutely necissary in this team for all LR variations

[obsidian oriole]

oh, I misread them saying the pinned doc, I meant in here

[proud vector]

.....

[obsidian oriole]

yeah, pinned doc correct

[proud vector]

we don't trust general in this house

[obsidian oriole]

can't imagine removing Xaihi for anyone with a cryo mainDPS and subDPS that moonlights as a mainDPS when you feel like it

[proud vector]

mofo did they replace xaihi in that guide because "lmao xaihi was the other inflictor so surely i can just put tangtang there"

This is what happens when the entire EN TC community shattered and retreated to private places like a goddamn clandestine cell system

[smoky quarry]

You know who to thank for this.

[proud vector]

fckin not me aaaaaaa
Yet as usual everyone suffers regardless

[twilit quail]

the guy who made it was some fucking guy in traditional chinese section though lmao

this legitimately

is not caused by english userbase

[proud vector]

oh wtf
RIP i suppose, but its a bit wacky to be like the only thing on general guides. Someone approved it to be there somehow

[twilit quail]

this is some other dumbass

like to put this in a guide you would have to

both never played the element at all and never even read the abilities properly

[proud vector]

failed to have a grasp on what makes Xaihi so good i guess

[twilit quail]

literally just never read abilities

half of team dmg comes from her

barely an exaggeration

[proud vector]

Minimum like 33% from ult alone during burst windows

[twilit quail]

what a fucking embarrassment

[gritty briar]

are we talking about the lr team with no xaihi that was posted in the guide channel?

[twilit quail]

ok I clicked through the skport link and it has

3x old bonecrusher

for no reason

and

oh my god man

[proud vector]

Content creator guides
Be fast, be widespread
Who care about correct? Does correct pay bills?

[twilit quail]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-city-nispee-nation-resident-evil-oblock-obby-propeller-hat-gif-3956573776064897924

wait this shit got posted YESTERDAY?

cant be real

[bold rose]

what do you mean "without xaihi"
no cryo teams exist without xaihi

[gritty briar]

what was going through their head when they put ardelia and not xaihi?

really makes you wonder

[dense plank]

Bigger star number

[gritty briar]

true

[dense plank]

[gritty briar]

what does afk-friendly mean in this context anyways?

[twilit quail]

WHO THE FUCK KNOWS

what is he gonna do, combo and ult without you having to press the button?

[edgy crater]

we have new guide?

[gritty briar]

alesh so strong he pressed your buttons for you

[edgy crater]

also dfq no xaihi?

[smoky quarry]

never let bro write guides again

[gritty briar]

this is beyond my comprehension

[edgy crater]

or rather like, why the mod allow dat guide

[smoky quarry]

anyone knows app that can overlay any picture on the screen?

that way so it goes over the game window too

Wanna try sticking endaxis on the screen and see how it plays out

[gritty briar]

There's that PowerToys utility called Always On Top if you want to pin a window

[lapis beacon]

when is chivalric values better than detonation unit on xaihi

[quartz horizon]

apparently with tt and lr

and yvonne

i also wonder why

[obsidian oriole]

element (like cryo) dmg, staggered dmg, all skill dmg, and physical dmg bonuses are all part of the same dmg buff pool, correct? they're all additive?

[outer ermine]

man i want 15s

[smoky quarry]

Amp is a separate bracket though

Important note

[obsidian oriole]

kk I did figure that for amp though considering how important people make it out to be

tyty

do you know if physical damage bonuses apply to knock down physical status or is that only arts intensity?

[smoky quarry]

I don't know for sure, but there was some kind of catch

[twilit quail]

it does

crit, dmg%, amp, fragile

all go into it

lvl coeff. and arts intensity are tacked on at the end

[obsidian oriole]

that's good

[smoky quarry]

is there such thing as phys amp?

[twilit quail]

no source of phys amp exist in the game but it is same formula for arts status

with some differences in figures for phys

in lvl coeff and such

[smoky quarry]

I thought these formulas were reverse-engineered

are they datamined?

[obsidian oriole]

is there a damage calculator available to everyone, actually? like, inputting values and multipliers

+10% phys. susc., +15% ATK, +20% phys. dmg., +10% fragile, 3000 ATK, 150% attack multiplier, just inputting that made up example into something to spit out the value for easier comparing between sets and teams

[smoky quarry]

There are twenty-story scary formulas that you have to calculate and fill out yourself.

There's shitton of variables

And the equation is broken down into a large number of parts

[dry kindle]

https://www.desmos.com/scientific

[honest hill]

[outer ermine]

[next helm]

Might be skill issue

but I just hate playing yvonne

[twilit quail]

many such cases

[dry kindle]

just throw more money at the problem

[next helm]

Against a target dummy I see what she can do

But in a multi wave fashion it just feels off

[frozen tide]

Delete before you the yvonne mafia gets to you

[tranquil burrow]

@twilit quail I want to ask a bit about Chen
according to datafield.cc
Repute does more damage than Ascent (assuming similar for glorious) but their set is different
What's your thought on it?

[civic wolf]

is Rapid Ascent better than the current 5* options for Chen

[rose tapir]

[tranquil burrow]

Seems like P9 Sundering and P9 Repute is better than P9 Ascent but it mostly buffs attack rather than buffing ult and bs

Higher atk does come back to BS and Ult but idk

[frozen tide]

P5 rascent usually out performs p5 sundering for bosses i think

New bp sword smurfs on both tho

Repute for chen is interesting cope

[twilit quail]

this is self evidently ridiculous I think

[frozen tide]

The argument I've seen for repute vs sundering

With numbers

Was that p0 repute is better than p0 sundering

Which like

Yeah

Ig

[twilit quail]

wait let me have a look at this website

Ive not seen it before

[drifting quest]

It's Low Priority's

You can ask them directly

Last I saw the website was bad but the sheets are okay

[honest hill]

@edgy crater did u max arti ur yinglung yet

[drifting quest]

Maybe website is okay now too

[frozen tide]

The sheets were good but had outdated sets and rots and comps

[twilit quail]

ok wow I

hm

[frozen tide]

I haven't checked recently

[honest hill]

Ah yes a P0 6* vs a P0 5*

[frozen tide]

I think p5 sundering beats p5 repute as well

[drifting quest]

They were starting on phys most recently afaik so I'd hope that one is up to date

[frozen tide]

Which makes the argument all the more interesting

[twilit quail]

in the nicest way possible I will not be speaking to them

[honest hill]

It does sundering steel is just so good

[twilit quail]

that's all I have to say on it

[frozen tide]

😭

[drifting quest]

Om

[edgy crater]

not yet

[twilit quail]

this is

no

[honest hill]

When

[twilit quail]

I shouldnt

[frozen tide]

Weren't they working on a full scale plug n play

[drifting quest]

Ill have a look when I get on PC

[drifting quest]

Yes

[edgy crater]

give me more catalyst

[honest hill]

this makes no sense how does chen sig lose to that garbage
I get P5 sundering steel beating a P2 rascent and GM beats rascent in general (I think)

[honest hill]

u better get it done next week

[tranquil burrow]

Repute is just a slightly better Sundering

[edgy crater]

for what wtf

[honest hill]

at P0s sure

[tranquil burrow]

I though p5 sundering was better than p0 ascent according to Iana and trusted so

[honest hill]

It is

[frozen tide]

Repute=!rascent

[honest hill]

P5 sundering is like better than P2 rascent but worse than p3 rascent

Yeah repute is not rascent

They're two different weapons

[frozen tide]

Rascent vs sundering also depends on the timeline itself probs

[tranquil burrow]

Anyway, i'd love for Iana to prove it wrong. I rather build glorious over a repute or sundering p9

[frozen tide]

Glorious is better than both

By a lot

Glorious is nuts esp for a bp weap

[drifting quest]

Repute is bait but I need to check why they are calcing it ahead

Rascent is less bait but whale privelege

[frozen tide]

P0 sundering scaling is my guess

[tranquil burrow]

It's not

[frozen tide]

Erm

You can get basically full uptime on glorious stacks

Rascent is only when staggered

[honest hill]

GM is like <1% worse than Rascent at P5s but like realistically most ppl can P5 GM not Rascent they're pretty much same

[drifting quest]

Rascent having no attack% and less attribute really just

Guts it a bit

[tranquil burrow]

Right forgot that detail (so much for them leaving it as grey word)

[honest hill]

it supposed to be chen sig

[next helm]

How do you trim marble with laev

[drifting quest]

GM can calc as far as like 10% ahead lol

[tranquil burrow]

It takes 5 battle pass for GM and it's easier to do so

[frozen tide]

Rascent isn't bad ig

[tranquil burrow]

Ascent is too much luck

[honest hill]

It takes 2 paid ones

[frozen tide]

But it isn't good either imo

Glorious just goat

[honest hill]

Yeah GM has better uptime so it wins for me

[tranquil burrow]

SHUSH MY LUNG DOES NOT CONCERN WITH SUCH MORTAL NEEDS

Problem with that is ig u just need to keep Chen doing skill alot

[honest hill]

If Rascent had agi + atk% I think it would end up being way better but just for the whales

[frozen tide]

Probably

Esp for 1 stagger timelines

[honest hill]

Which I'd be fine with

yeah

Rascent be the whale weapon then GM for low spender then Sundering for F2P

[frozen tide]

Im all for bp weaps being rly good

Quite sad that tt bp weap is straight ass

[honest hill]

It's more like her sig is ass

[frozen tide]

Mb

Meant

Tt

[honest hill]

oh yeah

[frozen tide]

They kinda same

[honest hill]

tt sig is cope

[frozen tide]

In my head

[honest hill]

I mean bp

fk

Tt bp wep

Is mid

[frozen tide]

Its cope tier

[honest hill]

Yeah

I recommend ppl pulling her sig

over yv*nne's

[frozen tide]

Tt sig

If all triggers are met

Is insane

[honest hill]

Yep

[chilly bolt]

gm is gonna beat rapid if controlled op chen

[frozen tide]

Atk second line super high dmg bonus high dmg taken debuff

[honest hill]

does chen got mdps team

I mean chen mdps

[chilly bolt]

it's the mono phys team

[honest hill]

ah

[chilly bolt]

but you control chen

she does 11-12% more dmg with gm than with rapid

[honest hill]

Better or worse than controlling endmin?

[frozen tide]

Better generally

[chilly bolt]

this silly lung unit is so buffed rn

[honest hill]

So u could use

Yinglung for her

[chilly bolt]

that number is with yinglung

i havent checked sm

[honest hill]

What does endmin use

Is it swordmancer

[drifting quest]

Still SM afaik

[frozen tide]

Idk why anyone would use rascent unless they can't get gm on chen for some reason

[drifting quest]

Pog can do SM or HW
Lifeng SM or Xiranite
Chen SM or Yinglung
Endmin SM (or aether but mid)
Dapan Aether

[honest hill]

At what point does lifeng prefer swordmancer over xira set like sig vs valiant and pots

[drifting quest]

P2/p3 + mb is where it becomes pretty stark