theorycrafting

[honest hill]

remove SP return replace it all w SP generate

fix all the issues

[gritty briar]

if i do 2 parries with 30 return and 1 with 40, then i just cast 1 extra skill and my ult gain needs will be met.

sucks to be one of those ops that just have some random one-off instance of sp return that you can't do anything about though

laev p1 moment

[honest hill]

[smoky quarry]

what's the damn difference

[outer ermine]

man wanted to try marble and i cant even

[gritty briar]

returned sp doesn't give you ult gain

[honest hill]

the fake SP u get can't be used for ult gain

[smoky quarry]

and ult gain measured by sp spent?

[honest hill]

so u need more uge

[gritty briar]

yes

[outer ermine]

cant hit 2nd phase gib me the tentacle bug instead

[honest hill]

yes but returned SP is fake SP

[gritty briar]

if you use 50 returned sp, your skill only gives you half ult gain

[silk monolith]

Does off-field Chen use Swordmancer set or Yinglung?

[smoky quarry]

HG can't stop making shitty decisions huh

[silk monolith]

I know DPS Chen wants Yinglung and Glorious Memory, but I'm not sure if that changes when Chen is off-field. Mine is looking like this so far and this is before the new stuff came out btw.

[drifting quest]

either, depending on your needs/wants

[dapper mason]

we almost there

[drifting quest]

need stagger? swordmancer
no stagger needed? yinglung

[silk monolith]

Alright, then.

[smoky quarry]

starry on xaihi is wild work

[dapper mason]

nah just testing if there will be new weapon for xaihi

[outer ermine]

whel

[dapper mason]

p5 starry got 1161 INT right ?

[outer ermine]

i dont have new armor full artif yet

finishing lr gloves and tt

[rapid heron]

@summer flower found why his math is wrong

he cant even get the basic ATK formula correct

[summer flower]

Oh yea

[next plinth]

does someone know how much of a difference delivery is for gilberta in certain teams? read that the ult gain on it might matter for some rotations

[summer flower]

With that rotation it's gonna be different

[smoky quarry]

How long 70k comps is gonna last if I artifice actively?

[summer flower]

Yea so it's what? Bonecrusha only 2 stacks not every battle skill

[rapid heron]

it;s not that

[smoky quarry]

average gacha cc

[warm galleon]

You pulling for Rossi?

[rapid heron]

it;s his ATK calculation

and in normal situation without rpe buff everyone you wont have enough SP to sue her BS twice

[outer ermine]

just getting her prob

[gritty briar]

wait why does he have main attribute twice?

[outer ermine]

i just wanna play cryo and electric

[summer flower]

So it's half of bonus from bonekursha

[rapid heron]

he multiplied the flat bonus from ginsen with the base ATK that why it so high

[warm galleon]

I have 20k which is 40 pulls for Rossi

[smoky quarry]

Don't forget about 10 free limited tickets

If you didn't spent them already

[summer flower]

If bonekrusha ishalf utilised

[rapid heron]

his rotation wont work if you cant oneshot bosses though

[smoky quarry]

You know, these expiring tickets actually do something useful for gacha. They allow us to build up 50/50 pity between banners for free

kinda cool

[summer flower]

Then in whole math 30% points go away

[warm galleon]

Free 10 after 30 pulls and free 10 from TT banner pulls

[rapid heron]

but he called everyone else build is wrong

[summer flower]

Then it's 0vs 5% with my assumption of 4 average stacks

[rapid heron]

0VS 5%?

[summer flower]

Hmm wait no

30- ((60*0.4)/2)

Vs 5 % attack

And that's going off assumed skill damage distribution posted in prydwen

4(stacks)

[gritty briar]

i'm just not getting how he got his attribute calculation. Why is main attribute in two different steps of the formula? Also pretty sure that's not how attribute % buffs work, if that's what he means by mainattribute%

[summer flower]

If someone could record average stack amount it would be nice

Like rhogodan clear no crit rate, crit set

No food

I should probably restart whole math btw

[gritty briar]

like if he's just multiplying atk% by like 600 or something because he thinks you just multiply with her agility stat number like that, then no wonder he thinks it's 90 million damage or whatever

[summer flower]

If mistake is same for comparison

Then comparison might still stand

[gritty briar]

do both builds have identical numbers for attributes and atk%? i doubt it

like what is this bro

[summer flower]

+60% damage on single skill

Vs 5% attack

I think attack wins

[gritty briar]

how much of her damage is her skill?

[summer flower]

It's 60% damage when presented rotation has 3 battle skills

And only one gets it

But basically without ability to test it's oof

I dunno even if assumption of 4 average stacks is correct

Sadly chest piece doesn't have correct stats or correct effect

Unless tang tang can use arts intensity

[rapid heron]

about 53%

maybe even higher

[gritty briar]

Is that before or after already being buffed by bonecrusha?

[rapid heron]

with bonecrusher set on

from prydwen so take it with grain of salt

it fele like 50-60% of her DMG is just battle skill when i was using her

but no access to team rotation DMG calculation

cause everysingle one require paying for access

[gritty briar]

unfortunate

[rapid heron]

"for the people by the people "btw

i dont have anythign against getting pay for your work but when you using that line

[gritty briar]

i had no idea that was something they charged for

[drifting quest]

damage profile is per rotation

its not a universal concept

[rapid heron]

it just too hard to get a concrete rotation for team DMG calculation

each perosn gonna use different team , different gears loadout

and it require you to go through every single attacks and time the frame for buff and stuffs.

[gritty briar]

yeah it's always gonna depend on a bunch of factors

imo it's kinda gross if they don't tell you what those factors are

[rapid heron]

that why i just use average DMG it not exact number but close enough to give you the rough idea.

all the buff in the game not big enough to change the outcome dramaticly, unless you go above 200% multiplier

so it will require you to invest into one heavily to make any different

[hollow swan]

i feel like factoring in buffs isn't a huge deal. why skip them? like +16% dmg from xiranite etc isn't hard to include.

[gritty briar]

whether people include them or not, i'd prefer at least knowing if they do

[hollow swan]

yeah definitely

idk im trying to get into doing basic damage calc stuff but my work ethic is so poor. i got a spreadsheet pulled up on google and thats as far as ive gotten.

i went to beat up on the rock solid boss with my Tt team and holy shit is her batk a mess against that boss. with all the movement she often gets stuck inbetween its body and the front shield parts

[rapid heron]

try that VS Ruan Yi or Axe and battlista

you outside of AOE

her basic pull u in

feelsgoodman

[rapid heron]

it;s more about sometime buff not up 100% of the time

like xiranite on Gilberta how you add it it only work when her ult

so unless you do details rotation for exact number it will make a mess with your average

[hollow swan]

you have a point there

[rapid heron]

so if you tryign to do calculation for average poerformance for rough estimation to see which one better then no buff needed

[errant moon]

So what's the general rotation for the TangTang, Last Rite team? Do you really need to character swap and animation cancel?

[rapid heron]

if you doing % dmg on skill and or team DMG then you need the buffs

[rapid heron]

Lastrite main DPS?

if lastrite main DPS depend on boss some boss easier to sue range but yes

[errant moon]

+Xaihi and Perlica I guess

[drifting quest]

need? no
does it lead to more dps over time? it can do yes, if you play it correctly

[rapid heron]

when you use Lastrite combo better swpa to tangtang before so you can build up stack and continue dps when her doing animation

most of the time im too lazy to do it

the only time i swap was during last stream where someone want to try to clear rocksolid in 23s like a youtube video

rocksolid betetr sue Ultgain chest

so you can get Ult in 2 combo doesnt matter if xaihi hit 4 stack or not

if not you gonna have to pray xaihi combo trigger 2 infliction

also anyone know what the condition to trigger xaihi xcombo to proc twice on single enemy?

[dusk isle]

what is the fastest known lr marble clear time

[hollow swan]

these conditional modifiers will be kind of a pain

is there even a simple template that works

[rapid heron]

impossible to tell . Most people now just cut to 2nd phase

so it depend how logn they spend clearing tentacle. did they save ult for the 2nd or not

[hollow swan]

would be cool if the medal showed your actually time

[dusk isle]

oh, im just curious about what has been done so far, not a theoretical fastest. so i could have something to compare if my time was good or not

[twilit quail]

it's like around 105s last I checked

mechanical compatibility is really fucking bad

0+1 yvonne is at 70 something

[dusk isle]

i got something around 1m37s with full ult and xai+lr bs before combat

[rapid heron]

and different tema has different clear time that vastly different

1m 37 not that bad if you include clearing tentacle

[twilit quail]

oh there's been mega optimisation ok

the record with tangtang is 56s

[drifting quest]

technically its like 20-30s

if we include bug abuse

[twilit quail]

without tangtang it's like

cooked

because lr lmao

[rapid heron]

without tnetacle timer?

[twilit quail]

from start

[hollow swan]

i saw someone saying Tt isn't an upgrade for LR. apparently that was false

[dusk isle]

is there a video of this

[rapid heron]

havent seen one that include tenacles in awhile

[rapid heron]

LMAO

she more of a side grade

either you deal less dmg durign your burst

or you get more dmg total from sub dps

[twilit quail]

they say they are editing video

no upload yet

[dusk isle]

got it, thanks anyway

[twilit quail]

there is like

[rapid heron]

i remember when Yvonne released some people argued with me that Lastrite cant work on Yvone team

[twilit quail]

a month long deadzone

[rapid heron]

[twilit quail]

of LR on this boss before tt release

cause no one want to do this boss

generally before update highly raised yvonne + LR was better than just LR on that fight

so people just stopped doing LR main

[hollow swan]

my idea of LR + Yvonne is that they would function similarly to how Pog works with a crusher. they would just take turns consuming stacks right?

[twilit quail]

【【前全网最速】独断万咕咕嘎嘎！伊冯汤汤三位一体53.72s-哔哩哔哩】 https://vxb23.tv/DIzznkY

this is pretty funny

[hollow swan]

actually that doesn't really work because unlike Pog they don't recover any SP

sheesh thats a lot of damage

[rapid heron]

no you get to 3 stack Yvonne use her BS to get Ult gain then let Lastrite finish her BS for a bit of Ult gain

[rapid heron]

yep power of whale

[hollow swan]

im not sure what you mean by let LR finish her bs.

[rapid heron]

you get 3 stack that will allow lastrite to combo

dont comboi yet use Yvonne BS to consume the ice stack

then use lastrite combo after the stack is gone

you dela less dmg with lastrite but you atleast gain a bit of Ult for her

[hollow swan]

okay that makes sense

[dreamy cave]

can someone explain to me why perlica > gilberta on bosses?

[hollow swan]

when you say gain a bit of ult does that mean LR doesn't get full gain if she doesn't consume the stacks?

[hollow swan]

is that even true? whos saying this?

the only thing i can think of would be a 4 stack electrification

[dreamy cave]

i saved some tangtang thingy on here and checked the message again.. and there's ppl discussing it xD

so im like confused whats the case on this xD

[hollow swan]

hmm idk. says perlica doesn't require SP but neither does gilberta so?

more personal damage than gilberta i guess

both can provide the stanza buff because they're different element from tangtang

[honest hill]

my eyes...

[dreamy cave]

i forgot the context xD

but they we're discussing something like yvonne tangtang perlica xaihi > yvonne tangtang gil xaihi? i forgot

[hollow swan]

do combo skills give the same amount of ult energy as battle skills?

[dry kindle]

Bskill technically give 0 so

But still no

[hollow swan]

wait why? it is based on SP spent?

[dry kindle]

100 sp gives team 6.5

Combo gives self 10

[hollow swan]

ah okay

[dry kindle]

Unless your name is arclight

[hollow swan]

her combo doesn't give 10?

[dry kindle]

5

[hollow swan]

makes sense since its got such a low cooldown

also if your BS returns SP then you don't get as much ult gain?

[dry kindle]

Returned sp doesn't give energy yeah

Its very cool and fun and not brain damage

And account damage

[hollow swan]

ive taken damage from that knowledge

Tt combo still gives 10?

okay so Alesh bs still give full amount because its recovery.

[dry kindle]

Yea

[smoky quarry]

pay attention to the wording

[honest hill]

@dry kindle did I cook here

[smoky quarry]

generates - legit sp
returns - fake sp

[gritty briar]

as a general thing, vanguards give real sp and non-vanguards give fake sp

[smoky quarry]

you didn't killed rhodagn with final ult strike, -1000 aura

try again

[gritty briar]

unless there are some exceptions i'm unaware of

[dry kindle]

Now do it in 5s

[honest hill]

yeah my tt is not max yet

Also this tt was not on food

my tt essence is 6 4 2

need to max

[twilit quail]

man LR is so fucking good now

[honest hill]

surely u can

[dry kindle]

Fund my tt

[honest hill]

tt is so damn good w her

Yvonne is still mid

[smoky quarry]

How I look at parties with 3-4 legendaries knowing I can't afford them anyway

[honest hill]

also how much u get from p1 arde

[honest hill]

and from lv 9 to M3 bs

[smoky quarry]

I'm in 1000$ debt

[hollow swan]

i kinda want to play LR but i don't want to pull for Khrav

[dry kindle]

Not having p5 wulf is so ass aaa

[hollow swan]

ive heard shes way worse without it. like id be using dark lung i guess.

[smoky quarry]

"Gap so big I've never considered it"

Apparently 50% loss?

[twilit quail]

then you can pull 4 copies tangtang and make her the damage unit

🙂

xddd

[dry kindle]

And then pull Rossi with the dossier

[smoky quarry]

"he opened tangtang after that"

[hollow swan]

soupreme chief main dps is the way for me

i got lucky and pulled her P1 on the urgent recruit

[twilit quail]

so I did do some excel for tangtang carry and it's

it's so much worse without tt p4 and gil p3

[smoky quarry]

we ain't millionaires, fym p4 and p3 on event legs 😭

[hollow swan]

fr

[twilit quail]

yeah lol

it's just how it is

[dry kindle]

Fuck me laev doesn't even combustion on normal bs

Double slab it is

[twilit quail]

you have to play gil xai perl

[smoky quarry]

What are you trying to do?

[dry kindle]

Farm stage speedruns with gil

True endgame

Except no p5 wulf so laev stacks arent real

[hollow swan]

i have p5 wulf but no laev rip

[twilit quail]

it's just so funny because like

for yvonne outside of single burst kill

without any need to cycle

tangtang is like

not even necessarily better than alesh

actually unbelievable

[honest hill]

Yvonne is a cooked char

I find it funny tt does better in lr team

[dry kindle]

Oh yeah does ice also get cucked by return sp

[twilit quail]

currently you uhh

can fix it with extra artifice afaik

there's no situations where it like locks you out of better gear

Im pretty sure

outside of super cursed tangtang carry stuff

with 4c5s rotation(xd)

[smoky quarry]

how come that return sp straight up messes up rotation

do gryphline devs even play their game?

[twilit quail]

I feel like the team probably doesnt get touched for a while in terms of roster changes

this LR battleship is insane

and gil plays nicely too in it

now imagine what lae could be if she didnt have to drag so much weight around

2000 kgs chain and ball around her ankle

[dry kindle]

I meant like theoretical if they didn't return sp

[smoky quarry]

You mean that her teammates are suboptimal?

[dry kindle]

Because fuck you

[twilit quail]

yeah as said

[dry kindle]

And everyone with laev p1

[twilit quail]

I dont think there are any situations

[smoky quarry]

It'll get better in future for sure

[twilit quail]

where not having it at all would change gear

outside of high pot lr tt

[smoky quarry]

Like with Lycia

[twilit quail]

theyre just weak compared to others

cause lae is still in a class of her own

when it comes to personal numbers

if she had a fucking xaihi

dude

[smoky quarry]

"What if Antal wasn't 4 star"

[dry kindle]

Uh huh

[twilit quail]

if antal wasnt nerfed 3 times

more like

[dry kindle]

That's just pre nerf antal

[twilit quail]

akekuri shot in the head

[smoky quarry]

What was he like pre-nerf

[twilit quail]

antal shot in the knees

he used to have more buff numbers

way more

[dry kindle]

Feixiao will save burn

Trust

[smoky quarry]

kinda like bennet?

[twilit quail]

and his FS used to do 30 stagger base

[dry kindle]

I still can't remember her name

[twilit quail]

li zhiyan

li is the surname

[smoky quarry]

They nerfed 4-star antal to add his 6-star alter

[twilit quail]

he also suffers a tiny bit from det unit nerf

[smoky quarry]

You think she looks like pyro character? More like electricity

She reminds me arclight a little

[twilit quail]

(xaihi was kneecapped by det unit nerf but is still satan)

[dry kindle]

14% bskill
28% ult
6% pot 5

[smoky quarry]

40% stronger

[twilit quail]

last test xaihi was running around with 1k int on det unit

and then the test before that she gave like 14k atk to entire team

what a unit

ontologically blessed

[smoky quarry]

So laeva pretty much reverse wheelchairs her teammates

[dry kindle]

Cbt1 was something

[twilit quail]

she is carrying 3 yeah

[smoky quarry]

at least wulfgard is somewhat decent of a caster

[dry kindle]

Just add fire tt

[smoky quarry]

If only he was good at sub-dps

[dry kindle]

Shrimple

[twilit quail]

wulfgard's alright

unbelievable applier

completely unmatched in that regard

by an insane margin

[smoky quarry]

I just wish he had perlica-level dps to that

[twilit quail]

me when I shit out 4 stacks in exchange for literally nothing

wulfgard numbers are actually ok but p5 will always lock him to application slave

if he can just have str ult gain pieces

he would actually do ok dmg

this has improved somewhat recently

to be sure

[smoky quarry]

Devs didn't even bothered adding proper hotwork set for him

they just throwed in exo rig and said "this works"

hotwork would work for him in like, suboptimal party where he is second dps

[twilit quail]

new swordmancer chest

with main str

is nice

[smoky quarry]

i mean his execution move is nice

1,1k%

[twilit quail]

and there are lynx hands

so he can run at least 2 pieces

with str main

which is not nothing

but he is still tied to obj lol lmao

[dry kindle]

Can't relate

[smoky quarry]

imagine if devs add slabs that scale strength as main

[dry kindle]

Still p4 wulf somehow

[twilit quail]

devs wont add more ult gain gear

👺

[dry kindle]

More ult gear next region

Trust

[twilit quail]

in a year

yea

[dry kindle]

Ult gain set surely

[smoky quarry]

i doubt it'll actually happen in a year

[dry kindle]

It is

[smoky quarry]

also next region would introduce lvl90 gear if we follow GH logic

[dreamy cave]

i invested so much on yvonne team, to the point that i realized.. its not worth it LMAO

[dry kindle]

🗿

[potent hornet]

seems pretty good to me

kinda funny as i got my P1 token for TangTang i pulled and won my 50/50 for a p2 TangTang

[dreamy cave]

i m6 xaihi, m1 gil, max int and infliction essence on ardelia's weapon for this

sanity: 0, credits: 0

[potent hornet]

if it works i would say its worth it

you could always grab TangTang

[dreamy cave]

i grabbed her earlier.. i just.. have no credits and stuff to build her lmao

[potent hornet]

at least you have something to build still

[frozen tide]

^

they should add a way to farm oro with sanity

even if conversion is ass

[peak void]

does perlica still use ult in non-electric team

[twilit quail]

do you mean is it worth putting levels into

on non electric

[peak void]

kind of yea

like if it contributes something to team dmg

[limpid rock]

how much does tangtang increase the damage of LR and Yvonne?

[frozen tide]

not rly

[peak void]

even with oblivion?

[frozen tide]

you usually build her for intensity maxxing

if you build a perli for dmg

with dmg gear

and obliv

like yeah shell do decent dmg

but for both yvonne and lr team its rly not worth

and when you build her as support her dmg ratio is low

very low

[pure spoke]

do u guys think using arclight only as Ult bot for electrfication for hyper carry tang tang is cope? or better use perlica ?

[potent hornet]

i have thought about it a couple of times

haven't started investing in my arclight yet tho

[pure spoke]

me neither xD

[potent hornet]

i'm finishing off TangTang and it will be either pog or arc i do next

[pure spoke]

using this rn with fortmaker - 20% ult eff

[potent hornet]

i have a p2 pog that it just doing nothing

[pure spoke]

rn i can only use her ult twice at rhodagn

[pure spoke]

me with p2 ardelia and p1 surtr

[potent hornet]

kinda sad my ard just kinda sits now glaring at TangTang

[frozen tide]

why are you running this again?

[pure spoke]

arclight too low level and i wanna do arclight ultbot

[frozen tide]

oh you dont have her 60/80

ic

[pure spoke]

ye i dont wanna commit if perlica with stanza is just better

[frozen tide]

no other sources of ele than arclight?

[pure spoke]

is there any other?

i can only think of perlica and arc

[frozen tide]

im asking if the team you are gonna run only has arclight for ele

[pure spoke]

ye

im running tang tang, xaihi angelina

[frozen tide]

i really dont see how thats gonna work

[dry mason]

is there any new Tangtang cook @dry kindle

[frozen tide]

just run perli

[dry mason]

[frozen tide]

😭

[pure spoke]

im not saying its the most optimal lol. im using arclight only for the ult

and the cope sp gain

[frozen tide]

and im saying it sounds worse in every way than perli

[frozen tide]

where is the sp gain

arclight needs to use bs and consume electrification for sp

[glass birch]

Theres 0 SP gain

[pure spoke]

the combo triggers

oh wait its bs which gives sp right?

[glass birch]

Unless you apply cryo affliction and then turn it to electrification with ult

[pure spoke]

mb

[frozen tide]

8 sp for every ult

[rare zodiac]

Too cope to even imagine

[pure spoke]

i like arclight tho. because honse

[forest shard]

is alesh an otter or a raccoon

[glass birch]

Alesh is an Anaty

[dry kindle]

How tf would I know 😭

[dry mason]

i thought you know everything

[dry kindle]

I know I don't have tt

[pure spoke]

i tried slab on solo tang tang. i think slab is ass on tang tang compared to 2 bonecrusher mask

[glass birch]

Anaty are animals like raccoons, skunks, wolverines, or the red panda

[pure spoke]

wait guys i wsnt tripping arclight does give sp back with combo

[rare zodiac]

Yeah, 10 every ult in your case

[pure spoke]

even worse 8

mi fu electric vanguard when

[ocean turret]

should i max my weapons to lvl 90 or just keep it to 80?

cause leveling up operators from 80 to 90 isnt worth the sanity

does that goes the same as the weapons?

[frozen tide]

🤔

Depends on stage of the game you are in ig but dps should have 90 lvl for both themselves and weap

[ocean turret]

lets just say i already trimmed all bosses

[frozen tide]

Good for you bro

😭

[ocean turret]

ember dps

maybe i should save for rossi instead

[tight haven]

true

rossi will save endfield trust

[dry kindle]

Fund my tangtang

[frozen tide]

Whel

[summer flicker]

ggs

i finally done

😭

[outer ermine]

already 663

whel

[summer flicker]

7k1 attack

prolly a bit higher since i dont max artificed stuff

[quartz horizon]

what u use

[summer flicker]

slab

[quartz horizon]

thank goodness i use the same stuff (p1)

there's way too many variations online

[potent hornet]

that is what i built as well, got my p1 today

[civic wolf]

i use the spreadsheet build 😔

[shrewd saffron]

is this for main DPS or sub? 👀

[civic wolf]

subDPS soupsoup

for Yvonne

haven't really thought much about whether i need some Ult regen or nah

on an unrealted note tho cuz i wanna prio unused mats over everything else

are lv80 supports more important than lv90 DPS

[quartz horizon]

if p0 ya do im pretty sure

[shrewd saffron]

the base attack and stats on your dps would outweigh the support stats

[civic wolf]

so ult gain gear + bonekrusha gloves over the current build?

how do i cope with the currently already artficied gear

[shrewd saffron]

yingling chest piece with ult gain + bc t1 wrists yea

[shrewd saffron]

hope that a new character gets to use it in the future

and play around with different build for different situations

[civic wolf]

said situation doesnt even exist yet lol

the only reason i'm not really pissed off rn but they sure as hell aren't letting us feel optimized anytime soon

[civic wolf]

im guessing this build is the best if the comp is going for 1 cycle at least? where ult gain isn't needed

ik rhodagn can be bursted so fast you dont even need tang2's second ult lol

[icy remnant]

Wow I thought I only had 260 or so rolls since I saved after Laevs banner

[civic wolf]

oh i think i can finally start using Avywenna

[icy remnant]

I have 306

[civic wolf]

so how do I do her thing?

Gilberta skill for Nature app, then Perlica skill?

which allows for Avywenna combo, which then i can then skill to make the lance do its thing?

[fresh trench]

when i wanna use ardelia to solo the boss
but the boss said:

[dawn patrol]

why is it rapid ascent bruhhhhhh where's my thermite

[prisma venture]

a sane person would stop and tell themselves that's where it ends—that they've had enough

[fresh trench]

i am not a sane person

[prisma venture]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-sukuna-lurk-shadow-aura-gif-6185663566858598390

[fresh trench]

funnily enough i see hope,if i have another 2p oblivion or another ardelia i will try again

i still miss the timing but what i do is i ult and combo skill her before execute the stagger hit,this will scale for collosion/her debuff/weapon buff/set buff at once

and tbh this is quite fun,to ask yourself if this is the end or is there something i missing or is it possible

but if i wanna give a tip,pelase dont do it,i just very bored of the game

having personal challedge like this make me actually fun with the game

[limpid shadow]

would having timers on a seperate monitor that tracks all CS cds be useful

[quartz horizon]

doesnt the game do that already

[fresh trench]

personally for me,no

and i think there is bar to see the combo cd

[limpid shadow]

ah silly me

[dry kindle]

Just look at the bar

[limpid shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[fresh trench]

personally i wish there is timer while boss fight for achivement hunter

[odd wren]

Oof

Why rapid xd

[limpid shadow]

praying for jet to show up (it wont)

[fresh trench]

i grabbing that

my next personal project is 1100 wills xaihi for no apperent reason

[feral fractal]

personally i use voice cue

[fresh trench]

isnt battlepass have those?

or i forgor

[fresh trench]

there is voicecue for cd?

[feral fractal]

2 per character

[gritty briar]

the voice is for the trigger condition, not for the cooldown

[fresh trench]

i sorry this weapon is so funny i have to make this meme

[fossil pendant]

he was cool before glorious memory came along and swatted his chud ass to the curb

[odd wren]

[cold bane]

i hope grand vision is next week

[gritty briar]

Actually i'm checking some footage now. Combo skill ready voiceline doesn't seem to ever play

[odd wren]

Finally

[terse valley]

grand vision already had its turn when the game launched

[odd wren]

Insta p1 for first week

[terse valley]

WHERES MY SUNDERED PRINCE HG

[gritty briar]

never

[odd wren]

That crit rate so hard to level lmao

[prisma venture]

unprecedented thought process and battle iq chat

[gritty briar]

what are you even fighting?

[fossil pendant]

for fun

[fresh trench]

rhodan

[prisma venture]

the inner self

[fresh trench]

rhodagn

[fossil pendant]

games too easy now do it with healer only

[fresh trench]

healer only is easy

I DO HIM SOLO

[fossil pendant]

that is kind of what healer only implies

[prisma venture]

when you're so peak the only enemy left is yourself

[gritty briar]

no cause healer only could be 4 healers

xaihi could buff ardelia

[fossil pendant]

healer singular

but fine

i'll give you this one

[prisma venture]

perlica only for endmin's praise

[gritty briar]

we don't plauralize category names in general, for some reason

seen a lot of runs where they just refer to a class as singular

well i guess quite a few of them are plural actually

anyways
what would be the worst team of a single class?

i think a team of vanguards might be the worst actually

could be supporter but supporters could have xaihi buffing gilberta
idk maybe that does something

defenders not even a full team but people have done solos with catcher and ember already

[fresh trench]

wanted me to do snowshine?

[gritty briar]

tbh i have no idea what she does

[fresh trench]

cryo infliction

problem is she didnt do much solo

[gritty briar]

yeah that sounds useless solo

she also does solidification but there's nothing to shatter it

no wonder people don't do this

[fresh trench]

She have nothing to capitalize on her skill and ult,her combo is heal..

[gritty briar]

is this better or worse than ardelia solo?

how close are you to being able to do rhodagn trim with her?

[fresh trench]

Ardelia 2:40 record time

[rare zodiac]

Arde solo at least have 24/7 art susc and no split scaling dmg so I think it still mile better

[fresh trench]

Snowshine skill use only 60 sp so you could spam it

And greatsword deal more stagger per final strike

[rare zodiac]

But her CS/ult is cryo and her BA is phys, so split scaling

[gritty briar]

I think snowshine is better

[fresh trench]

YEAH ITS SO BAD 😭

[gritty briar]

okay battle skill being cryo damage on snowshine really sucks too

can't abuse exemplar like catcher does

[rare zodiac]

Funni how all defender BA is phys ignoring their own element

[fresh trench]

What worse is no damage scaling for her other stats catcher have passive to scale more damage on defense

Snowshine dont have that

[gritty briar]

catcher's defense scaling isn't really that relevant

[fresh trench]

I can try her solo tho invested in her quite a bit

Not as much as ardelia

[gritty briar]

what weapon would you even use?

could maybe use LR sig to buff battle skill spam but then your basics get left behind cause it's cryo dmg only

might still be worth it tho

At least it's an atk% wep

[fresh trench]

I have p4 darklung or p0 full lr sig

[gritty briar]

Pretty sure LR sig should be better

[prisma venture]

perlica only any% speedrun solo

[lost void]

Bonekrusha set effect is similar to Endmin's skill rotation dilemma.

You should consciously be particular about your skill rotation vs MI set is less of worries/hassle.

[rapid heron]

this is a joke right? cause have you seen how much DMG tangtang do with her basic ATK and how much with her SKIll ? i have never seen a single video TangTang as main DPS with that Damage distribution. It;s like sayign tangtang get boss so 60% by Basic alone . No the most she can get with ehr Basic attack is 25-30% max. WHy You asked? Cause i run enough TangTang for my lifetime recording for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpiUC4Gwmh8

[summer flicker]

first: no
2nd: most of it is the final strike

[rapid heron]

math is just something you can use to optimize and not taking it as 100% of the time cause too many other aspect like uptime of dmag and much more

in reality it much different

let me know if you see the that DMG distribution form the video of 44 34

[summer flicker]

again your rotation may be differ from the one maygi calc

[rapid heron]

it;s exact optimal rotation for tangTang

how can it be any different? XD

[rapid heron]

2 stacks of whhirlpool and Everything on Stagger

XD

just watch the video

[summer flicker]

d you get your final strike in gilb ult

[rapid heron]

TangTang rotation there no complex about it

Yes

Just watch the video

aand see yourself

[summer flicker]

you dont insta tt skill

which is sub optimal

because the bottle neck of the rotation is tt combo cd

[rapid heron]

cause Ardelia?

you can skip to trigelos fight

[rapid heron]

wait actually im still sued to using ardeliaafter swithc to gilberta

[summer flicker]

should hold off electrification

[rapid heron]

so forgot to do it

[summer flicker]

till your combo tornado

[quartz horizon]

whats this site

[summer flicker]

end-axis.com

[rapid heron]

that what i do in most burst

it just off timing sometime cause boss condition so have to start burst sooner

FORGOT TO CAST ELECTRICFICATION HERE

sr caps

more liek the combo timed out and forgot to cast her BS

not my accoutn ti;s of of the viewers so dont have too much time practice with the team rotation VS all bosses yet

and i was mainly focus on fast clear time and not getting hit more than just speed run

[summer flicker]

you should perlica ult after gilb

[rapid heron]

yeah

[summer flicker]

her ult do some decent damage but ig yours perlica isnt built so it dont matter in that scenario

[rapid heron]

but right now both their lvl is like noly 60 no lvl in skill

my perlica all skill lvl 1

stanza lvl 1

[summer flicker]

but well, your rot is different
maygi rot assume you get finisher (900%) in gilb ult and every other buff

as you can look in the rot i sent above

[rapid heron]

yes but i can tell you it;s way more than just 34%

[fresh trench]

what is this,why it look interesting

[summer flicker]

tangtang p0 rotation

[fresh trench]

no no i meant what website is this

[summer flicker]

end-axis.com

[summer flicker]

its math according to the rotation, i doubt thats wrong, in practice may different because you dont execute that perfectly and endup doing more combo/ more battle skill

[fresh trench]

https://tenor.com/view/bing-chi-ling-alex-mei-bing-chi-ling-alex-gif-21908053

[summer flicker]

its a website that you used to create rotation

ye its a chinese website

[fresh trench]

this will be useful if i know what anything meant,i will save it for later

[summer flicker]

you can use it to create some crazy rotation like this(this p1 tt rotation)

[rapid heron]

and if i started the rotation without using her BS

shouldnt it added to the Basic ATK total DMg though so it help her case but sitll not reaching 44%

[summer flicker]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxeu4nPztLofjHySaqV7eNVNl3WnCoT3iZ?si=G4fT9M7F2YV7yK-s

[rapid heron]

i watched it

[summer flicker]

900% or sth finisher

with gilb ult buff, xaihi ult buff, stanza buff, etc

and you can see in maygi rotation

tt do like 2 attack that can be considered battle skill

[rapid heron]

ok so when the boss stagger

she deal maybe 10% of boss HO with basic attack

[compact bridge]

Did we get some kind of notification if combo skill cd is up?

[summer flicker]

you can watch on the light bar above operator hp

[rapid heron]

why would she not use her BS again after the Ult dive?

[summer flicker]

end of rotation

[compact bridge]

This mean gilberta combo is ready?

[summer flicker]

rotation is designed to be loopable

[summer flicker]

yes

it filled up the bar and is white

its ready

if its gray and not full bar its not ready

[rapid heron]

No her rotation is ther same but extra BS during the stagger

the Ult is still up

and you have so much BS bonus

why would you use that time to BA and not casting your BS when you have another 2 SP?

just watch all TangTang actual showcase roation

or speed clear

they always BS after the dive for extra

cause much higher DPS than basic attack after dive

[summer flicker]

oh didnt know that, hmm let me ask maygi

[rapid heron]

this is why her DMG so heavy focus on BS

she missing out of big window for BS

you only not use her BS incase you dont have enough SP

always go full BS spam during stagger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpiUC4Gwmh8

watch my rock solid fight

you will see how much BS deal alone during stagger

BS alone is like 60-65% of the boss HP

this is without perlica stanza btw

[sinful peak]

any theory crafts for Rossi so far? optimum team?

[summer flicker]

😭

[rapid heron]

i did

all possible team for hers

you can use any character but wont be optimal

recommend top to bottom

bottom usualy harder to use, less dps or haivng issues with SP

i can explain rotation or any questions you want to ask just ping me

gonna make a video for the team recommendation soon

[sinful peak]

I see endmin too often lol lore accurate

[rapid heron]

if you want to focus on physical and vulnerable stack

no reason to not use crush

cause how fast she can generate stack

[outer ermine]

bili has planned rots for rossi, endmin, perlica/ard, gil

[sinful peak]

rossi is a sub dps or she's better as the controlled?

[rapid heron]

prob best to main control

cause her Sig weapon

give stack when ever crit

[rapid heron]

that team is not recommend

it work if you dont have Pog

but 42% physical DMG taken just too good

[outer ermine]

its for speedkills cuz thats what only matters

[sinful peak]

pog as a sub dps should use cutter? or sig weap

[summer flicker]

oh well i cant optimiza my p1 tt rot

cuz 0 sp

[rapid heron]

thermite

[fresh trench]

something telling me she supposed to play with pogchamp

[summer flicker]

goat cutter

[rapid heron]

howe can you change it to english

[rapid heron]

hmm name still chinese

[rapid heron]

that why i thought english not on

[summer flicker]

i use a translation software

[fresh trench]

refresh once

[summer flicker]

kekw

[rapid heron]

eww

[summer flicker]

yes tangtang rot is pretty complicated

when you p1+

kekw

[rapid heron]

@summer flicker can you ask Maygi to do compare between Bonecrusher with 2 bonecrusher kit instead of a slab and see if it still perform betetr than the MI security?

i dont know if you want to count dodge cancel into normal rotation

[outer ermine]

anyone seen any plating rules rhod speedkill rot yet w/o gil

[rapid heron]

plating?

[outer ermine]

i dont wanna make one myself

oh trim

cn has me fucked up lately

[summer flicker]

i didnt count it xddd

but i do some quickswap

[outer ermine]

from start*

[summer flicker]

[rapid heron]

im too old for that

[summer flicker]

and let tt do tornado in the background

i mean qs is more for like

very perfect play

because i need the sp

p1 is like game changer, for a loopable rotation

since instead of 4 combo, you do 5 or even 6 combo

[rapid heron]

how you rtunning out of SP on TangTang team?

she only need 100 SP at start if u want to start with her BS

[rapid heron]

and then xaihi

[summer flicker]

look at my timeline

the yellow at the bottom is sp

[rapid heron]

and nothing else after just xaihi BS into combo until 2 stacks of whirlpool

[summer flicker]

you can optimiza your rot

by waiting tt bs

and use the tt bs to generate combo

so you xaihi skill every other tt combo sth like that

on paper with perfect play, may not have enough sp

[rapid heron]

hiow do you add all those boxes and do you nmeed to change each individual box ?

or it set before

[summer flicker]

like ?, i can go in a vc if you want to explain it

[rapid heron]

it;s fine

[rapid heron]

if i add basic attack

[summer flicker]

click on the charactor, there will be box, you drag

[rapid heron]

do i have to adjust how long it take or someoen already tested and it set by default?

[summer flicker]

alr

xaihi fs is 3.427s

someone alr do the counting

[rapid heron]

thank god

[summer flicker]

you just need to drag the box etc

[rapid heron]

i dont have the time to go through my record frame by fram for that

no rotation for rossie yet

sadge

[rapid heron]

gonna have to emss aroudn with it when she out

[summer flicker]

i mean there is rossi in there

which they counted, but it may be wrong

[rapid heron]

so what can you calculate after input full rotation ?

[summer flicker]

just to see how the team work out

[rapid heron]

nah basic attack only 2 atm

[summer flicker]

[rapid heron]

so after you get this what infos can you get out of this like dmg distribution or what cna you do with it after?

[summer flicker]

ask someone to calc the rotation

[rapid heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1315898593244090488/1439823064643797064/02c3135b2c35637470f10863bb0e92fb.gif

[summer flicker]

because the timing is there, ppl plug in mv% and buff to calc the damage/rot and dps

because there is rot time there too

well, im waiting for maygi app, similar to end-axis but it will give out number as you put in the rotation

would be long till that completed

rotation determine: gear (ult eff, etc, ...)
how to operate rotation, like which skill order

[rapid heron]

nah rotation can be effected by much more than that

[summer flicker]

well the game is like, everything dies in one rot so it just kinda but it gives a baseline to know which gear is good generally and how much ult eff should make the rotation smooth

[rapid heron]

like boss stagger or mechanic and behavior too

[summer flicker]

yes, it just give a base line

after all, its theory craft

not like tcers cook rot for speedrun only, it is to generate baseline for weapon calc, gear calc

its calc for the majority

not boss specific rotation

like rohan have much less stagger thn other boss, his rotation is different, and he has phase change mech, which change rot too, would take foreverto calc every scenario

so the best thing is a loopable rotation

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HCPf4_bbEAEBVSf.mp4

[outer ermine]

that has to be illegal

im about to abuse this shit

[summer flicker]

Holy

so when she jump animation

she literally jump

her hitbox change, goat hg

[outer ermine]

omg it works on bs too

lmao

[summer flicker]

Wtf

the queen of qol

😭 😭 😭

tt qol powercreep

[outer ermine]

[summer flicker]

super armour

they should have list that in her skill or sth

[outer ermine]

oh thats why the cn guy was wondering how i was just charging in to ruan

[summer flicker]

can tt kill faster than yvonne

[outer ermine]

rhod? w lr yeah we have 0s on community rule

its a start ig

[summer flicker]

what about no lr

only tt

[outer ermine]

dont think so

[fresh trench]

can u kill him before he change phase? lmao

[outer ermine]

it has to be 1cs only

ur competing w a mf that can prep ult and just oneshot 5s in

[outer ermine]

yeah probs, just started working on it

i can do another swap maybe

[summer flicker]

😭

[outer ermine]

i need to press 4 buttons simultaneously i dont think i can do this on mobile good enuf

[chilly bolt]

try ardelia on stanza maybe

[outer ermine]

needs some fishing hmm

[outer ermine]

i use ard to not ult

its her only saving grace in these scenarios

[neon geode]

whats better for yvonne, p5 navigator or her signature?

[chilly bolt]

P5 wedge>p0 sig>p2 wedge>=p5 nav

[ashen hare]

is Chilvaric or Deto unit or P1 Dreams better on Xaihi

[chilly bolt]

You only use starry on xaihi when you do the weapon swapping tech

[ashen hare]

okay, what about Chilvaric vs Deto unit

[chilly bolt]

They are pretty close to each other, it depends on if you need slightly stronger buff for a nuke or more uptime on buff duration

Usually people use deto unit, but again chiv isn't bad either

[ashen hare]

okay thanks

im assuming deto unit is btr bcs of it giving int on its passive

[chilly bolt]

Yeah that's true

[neon geode]

so guess i go pull her sig then

[chilly bolt]

Uh no

Use wedge

Pull for tt sig instead

[neon geode]

how u want me to get p5 wedge

and who tt

[chilly bolt]

You forgot p4-p2 wedge?

[neon geode]

ah soup

[chilly bolt]

Tangtang

[neon geode]

i have it already

i got 23k, got all sigs

[chilly bolt]

Ok lol sure then

[neon geode]

even LR

and i have p0 wedge

[chilly bolt]

That makes sense you have p0 wedge when you say you got all sigs

[neon geode]

aight, got her sig in 40.. thats the worst one yet

[outer ermine]

i need this specific jump seq

jump has to be a litttttle bit late just like that

[proud vector]

the soup is eating the guy
how the turn tables

[icy remnant]

Recrisis is so unrealistic for LastRite Xaihi cus of the 2 free SP

Starting with Ult is nice for clips but no real rotations too if fights finish fast

[glad kestrel]

Anyone know the best gear set for pog rn? Im still running pulsar T_T

[icy remnant]

Heat

There’s a whole set in heat that has Will+ Arts intensity

Gloves and Kit

He needs some Ult regen so you max out the Bone crusha UE chest

[glad kestrel]

The hot works one right? Thanks!

[icy remnant]

Ye

[honest hill]

Send img

[icy remnant]

[hasty hazel]

Is Avy's team gear up to date? Or is there any gear being tested after 1.1?

[honest hill]

think so what does avy gear say on spreadsheet

[honest hill]

Yeah it's all up to date

[hasty hazel]

okay ty :3

[honest hill]

@outer ermine What is the dupes on that tt

[unique jungle]

Pot 5 i think

Theyre glowing

[honest hill]

ofc

That whale

I want to try what he did

But it won't work

[outer ermine]

5+5

u could prob change it around to include lr ult

looks sketchy

[chilly bolt]

Why not start with lr fs so she also get xaihi buff

[outer ermine]

ill play w it later when im home and on pc

director came in early

[digital nova]

hi rapid ascent is in my shop is it BIS for anyone?

[rare zodiac]

No

[odd wren]

This is better now

[terse raptor]

rapid ascent is now bait weapon

[proud vector]

lord give me strength

that was my last basic ticket this patch pretty sure....

[edgy crater]

88 left

[chilly bolt]

Ye i have the same number

The counter is at 180

And 8 tickets

But man actually hits the 79 pity

That's borderline impossible

[odd wren]

Thats ardelia

Waiting

[outer ermine]

striker

[honest hill]

Are u his wife

Striker's wife

[edgy crater]

dfq

[outer ermine]

my papa katsu

[edgy crater]

hifu, dats H title

[chilly bolt]

thanks hnaf

i totally didnt know

[edgy crater]

doubt

[peak void]

help

do i do chen or LR essence

or... yvonne

[chilly bolt]

well

chen and yv both have crit

so there's that

[outer ermine]

[terse valley]

these are like three different team

[peak void]

yea