theorycrafting

[quick chasm]

What is this channel abt?

[daring dove]

Valley 4 Endmin glazing was a bit ott.

[timber harness]

whatever we want it to be about until a jannie on an obvious alt account shows up

[urban plaza]

10% Number crunching, 90% trashtalk

[tranquil cedar]

Let's ... not talk about that part

[quick chasm]

So what is the best thing to trade to get the prosperity level of wuling sub PAC up?

[terse valley]

I...really liked yvonne story quest 🧍‍♂️

[tranquil cedar]

The bad thing about yvonne quest was yvonne

[timber harness]

i didnt really like yvonne quest because it kidna felt too performative around tata

[quick chasm]

She and endmin do some freaky stuff in the basement (There is a Tip that shows in the loding screen or IDK I read it though somewhere in the game)

[timber harness]

like that robot showed up for .5 seconds and just emoted. i really didnt feel the connection they were trying to convey

they acted like we got 3 patches of tata bonding

[terse valley]

that's the selling point for me

[tranquil cedar]

Tata was the best thing of Valley 4

[timber harness]

and considering they contributed not much thats saying something about valley IV as a whole

[terse valley]

it's more about yvonne and tata than us and tata

[timber harness]

yeah but even that thread wasnt explored enough to make the emotions compelling

the story is a bit too early for something like this

now if we got to see a lot of yvonne and tata interactions i would understand.

but it just lacks depth to me imo

[bronze plume]

now we get tt with her brother

[tranquil cedar]

Wait TT has a brother?

[drifting berry]

For once I really like when a story event isn’t centered around endmin, you are the more like a supporting rol helping Yvonne

[tranquil cedar]

I saw only a traitor?

[urban plaza]

But her butt?!

[tranquil cedar]

This is ... the worst part of yvonne to be honest

[timber harness]

i would agree if the story was good

[urban plaza]

[drifting berry]

Laev makes sense considering both of them are going through the same thing

[urban plaza]

The worst part is her way too fat tail

[timber harness]

I enjoyed wulfgard's way more than yvonne's honestly. even if it was predictable

[drifting berry]

Yvonne model to distracting

[timber harness]

probably because it didnt suffer the same issue of insisting upon itself

[tranquil cedar]

Gilberta was worst

[timber harness]

oh yeah. worst one for sure

[tranquil cedar]

I was like, do i even know you?

[urban plaza]

Gilberta story boring af

[drifting berry]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-itinsistsuponitself-gif-26249772

[terse valley]

wow how come we have like the exact opposite opinions we should like get together and ask our child what they think

[timber harness]

writing so poor they forget we're an amnesiac and theyd have to explain how we somehow recall who gilberta was

but we were chilling with them like we were in 3.4 not 1.0 lmao

[tranquil cedar]

I mean they remove the part where we meet her and assume we meet her

Like wtf?

[gritty briar]

Gilberta story acting like we had 20 seasons of relationship buildup after 5 minutes of jumping on rocks

[drifting berry]

Gilberta was suppose to show it during Valley 4 story at the beginning

[tranquil cedar]

Also I wonder how they will do the recovenent part each time cause Laev/Sutr thing was a good take

[somber hemlock]

i really hope this game tackles the memory loss and develops endmins characters rather than it just being a plot device to utilize for story progression. Felt like laev's story was going in the right direction with it but we have nothing else on it

[daring dove]

Unpopular opinion, my favourite story quest was Gilberta's.... Not because the writing was actually good but because the question itself was simple an well laid out. Leavatains quest felt like 1 massive fetch question to me. Even the good writing & cut-scenes kinda felt like a let down as a result.

[drifting berry]

But it got cut because of cn community

At least that my understanding

[timber harness]

if we're cutting out key details, we should probably postpone the story until its fully baked

[tranquil cedar]

The best companion quest was TT and am totally baised

[timber harness]

this shi almost as cooked as wuwa rewrites. its just plain bad

[tranquil cedar]

I mean we will see if they learn anything with rossi i guess

[urban plaza]

They said it was too dark
So it got cut

[tranquil cedar]

Don't think i will enjoy visiting the child sanctuary or something but we will see

[dawn shard]

gilbertas story was nice but should have been a sidequest not a character quest. we spend this entire time on the story of two npcs, dont really get to see the guys reaction but hey gilberta cute moment at the end

[terse valley]

is this tata or tangtang

[tranquil cedar]

Tangtang

did you missed it during the MSQ?

The second part was totally Tangtang companion quest

[remote elk]

which is sad coz gilberta is a great character

[drifting berry]

Yeah, also as far as I’m concerned it was mostly because of outrage of the cn community that it got cut.

Devs need to know that not all feedback should be listen to lmao

[somber hemlock]

i felt tangtangs story was good it developed her character a lot

[drifting berry]

She got her character development

[urban plaza]

Until the weird uncle came

[dawn shard]

tbh they could have developed that story more. tangtangs section felt like speedrunning an epilog

[daring dove]

I kinda liked the short & concise nature of it to be honest Leavatains felt a bit too long with too much filler. The last part of it was absolutely excellent. But the first 2/3rds of it felt slow & too fetch questy for me.

[terse valley]

as someone said in game feedback: 1.1 story is a step towards the right direction, albeit painfully slow

[somber hemlock]

yea idk why they just decided to bring uncle sub plot around but i guess it was a way to give a figure to the remenants of the resistance

[tranquil cedar]

1.1 lack a ton of preparation

[dawn shard]

yep

[tranquil cedar]

Like the traitor thing had no set up

[drifting berry]

What I dislike is how delusion people from the stocade are, they think they got a chance

[tranquil cedar]

you see them as enemy in the wild so you could guess

[dawn shard]

it has the wuwa problem where its nice in a vacuum but sucks if you take a step back

[timber harness]

overly listening to cn community is usually what ruins stories as experience has been telling me in these gacha games

cn community just has no good sense of what a compelling narrative is and just get mad over the dumbest contrivances

[drifting berry]

100%

[tranquil cedar]

I don't think it's the CN in a nutshell

It just that crybaby always cry harder

and with a big population like cn you have more crybaby

[timber harness]

tbf, global has bad apples that have equally if not significantly worse takes.

[somber hemlock]

well the entire thing is they are uneducated blinded by rage, im sure some of it is also influenced by the main antagonists stering around that hatred

[timber harness]

So its honestly the artists/writers should be faithful to their own direction

[torn pilot]

idk i liked the story from 1.1

[timber harness]

and take feedback seriously, but with a grain of salt

[torn pilot]

tangtang and the stockade was probably my favorite story yet

[daring dove]

I mean they're the classic stereotype of a closed off tribe to be honest. The survive off the good nature of the people around them generally not wanting to do them harm.

[drifting berry]

They want everything to be centered around the mc, while the mc has to be a self insert of the player.

Also prob why we went from war criminals on og arknights to the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, because they cannot have a morally grey character in their story.

[tranquil cedar]

The side quest where we shut down the cleasing mecanism of the shrine is something. (hello stockade you are soon fucked)

[tiny crag]

The MC could be disliked

[urban plaza]

Everyone glazing endmin and here I thought they gave random people rock aids

[timber harness]

I think thats too narrow minded. from what hints ive seen in the story we're not as saintful as we are to be believed. its just the narrative isnt really translating that intention well so far since its slow paced and 1.0 is a drag

its very obvious that there is some negative aspects of endfield that we're not seeing. hell, the first step into wuling when you talk to the white haired fella implies this

ardashir or w/e

[drifting berry]

What I mean about that the impression of every single character we are here to solve all their problem and no one has anything negative to say about us.

Kinda what happen with Wuwa tho Wuwa was a lot worse

[tranquil cedar]

Endmin lack opposition in his/her close circle right now

[drifting berry]

Even our enemies seem to like us or something

Doktor had like 20+ people wanting him death (saying a random number)

[somber hemlock]

waifu simulator

[sullen drift]

Is it possible to put ult dmg on yvonne or is it better to stack basic atk dmg

[tranquil cedar]

Even the doctor that reanimate you want you dead

[urban plaza]

Have you looked at us? We are adorable!
And apparently carry around penguin bandaids

[timber harness]

I love mc glazing cause i come from games that actually do it well lol

the push for the other extreme just feels like people begging "please make me irrelevant while you make hot character number 456 a walking advertisement that flirts with me"

gotta have a balance in between at the very least

[drifting berry]

Honestly og Arknights did a excelent job around Dokta and having Amiya there sharing the spot light helped a lot.

[timber harness]

otherwise just call it genshin endfield

[drifting berry]

Wuwafield

[timber harness]

love and deepfield

[smoky quarry]

"natives vs colonizers" ahh story

[torn pilot]

thats not really how it made me feel

tangtang story was the first one that moved me tbh

[somber hemlock]

yea but they executed it well with the deep distrust from both sides

[dry kindle]

[bronze plume]

thats a low bar tbf

[torn pilot]

[timber harness]

can we tc rossi

no? then wtf are we doing here then

okay lets pretend shes out and her damage is insane

[smoky quarry]

mid for 120 pulls

stockaders are frauds, they exist longer than wuling, yet live like medieval peasants

and all they achieved in last years is leeching off wuling while simultaneously hating it

rednecks smh

[drifting berry]

I just want to know exactly how many pulls they gave us this patch to get an idea how the f2p economy will be looking like in the future

[smoky quarry]

spoiler: looks like shit

the only thing we don't know is amount of pulls on supply event

we know all other sources

so you can run a calc like in 3 days

My blind guess is sub-80

including standard tickets and limited tickets (ones that expire)

so in fact it'll be 50-60 limited pulls

[drifting berry]

looking bad

still 1.1

[smoky quarry]

it only gets worse from there

I'll post the pull prediction calculation on 19/03 when I'll see supply event probably

Should be somewhat accurate

[urban plaza]

I really don't get why they are holding back so much with giving out pulls at launch
Its such a bad look
Heck give at least basic headhunting

[smoky quarry]

they did gave us about 10 basic tickets

11 if i'm not mistaken

I can check in my weekly assignment

[gritty briar]

Speaking of pulls, how many standard tickets do we know we're getting this patch?

[smoky quarry]

I've got them all already

Let me check

There shoudn't be any new ones since we already know what kind of events to expect

[gritty briar]

cause like, there's that BP mission for 40 pulls
I can cover 20 with the login/shop pulls but i'm wondering if i'll have enough for the rest if i dont want to waste limited pulls

[smoky quarry]

Spatial sets and umbral don't grant tickets, only 3.6 and 2.4 pulls

[drifting berry]

it will take another 18 patches to get the 6* selector from standard

[gritty briar]

I don't really care about tangtang or rossi so i'm kinda hoping the standards and the login pulls will cover the 40

[daring dove]

How many pulls do we get this patch by estimation, hopefully it's 60-70 not the 40-50 some people had guesstimated.

[urban plaza]

Well

[smoky quarry]

14 standard tickets

half from etchspace, half from bp

[smoky quarry]

I estimate about 80-90, cause we know the events already

[gritty briar]

wow i guess i'll be off by 6 for that bp mission

[smoky quarry]

Unless supply event is gonna be crazy generous

and maybe some compensations in mail

[gritty briar]

surely we'll get 6 standard pulls magically from somewhere

[smoky quarry]

but I think they already ran out of generosity for this patch lol

[urban plaza]

They should hand out a 10 pull of standard banner every week
Especially with how fucked arsenal is

[smoky quarry]

40 free pulls? 1 leg every 2 month for free? Asking too much from sales division lol

they are never gonna let f2p players thrive

[urban plaza]

From the same old stinky release roster, yes

I doubt many people are actually topping up for standard

[daring dove]

That seems a little ott, people would have every standard character P5 by the end of year one.

[urban plaza]

So?

[gritty briar]

Do you have all the standards at p5 already striker?

[smoky quarry]

and it would break arsenal scam

cause for 2 dupes you get free signature

[gritty briar]

you whale for every limited right? Did that get you all the standards to max?

[smoky quarry]

and you're supposed to waste a lot of money on these

[daring dove]

Everyone except pog.

[smoky quarry]

he isn't whaling

he's lochness monster

[urban plaza]

Great xd
But yeah I guess that could changed to limited only then, if needed idk

Cause you actually have enough arsenal to pull with thay

[smoky quarry]

15 standard pulls is fine by me

What is not fine is that there's 0 pulls in paid battlepass

there are pulls in free bp, there are pulls in freemium bp

but no pulls in the bp for 10 dollars

[daring dove]

Yeah I'm already at that point where I can start picking up random sigs. It still doesn't help you with the limitd character sigs though which to be honest are the important ones.

An as more time goes on the current roster of 6* weapons will age out.

So hopefully they keep adding to it

[smoky quarry]

tbh 2/5 signatures are completely useless, 2/5 usefulness is debatable, and only khrav is irreplaceable

Pogr's signature is straight up worse than thermite

devs don't understand their own character building

[daring dove]

Tangtang's sig is the best one to be honest, I'd argue then Leavatain's then LR's.

You can really value scam with Leavatains sig with ult gain build.

[smoky quarry]

Laeva is replaceable though, you get ~90% dps with p5 torch

(only for hotworks though)

I'm not disappointed in pulling laeva signature, it was worth it. However, I do feel bitter about not being able to pull a signature for the rest of the year

Cause devs are not gonna give us another 240 pulls patch

[gritty briar]

evil mission to stop me from hard saving

[smoky quarry]

there are 24 free tickers already though

[torn pilot]

okay but it looks a lot better so its irreplaceable

[smoky quarry]

actually 34

with next banner

[gritty briar]

there's 3 left for me further along in the battle pass

[drifting berry]

Like for me I should be able to afford another signature after pulling for Rossi, but after I get that one I'm not getting another signature till 1.5+

[gritty briar]

but that's still not 40

what, am i supposed to pull with 6 real pulls?

[torn pilot]

besides, all pogs weapon needs to be good is another physical unit that can use thermite instead

[gritty briar]

evil game

[smoky quarry]

what

Never rest is a self buff weapon

Pogr damage share is 7%

Do you know how useless it is?

[torn pilot]

looks as in literally

it looks a lot cooler

and its not close

thermite is uggo af

[smoky quarry]

you don't field pogr

what's the matter

[daring dove]

Yeah I'm looking at it more from the prosective of I can keep the 210% DMG bonus from Leavatain's sig up almost permanently. But to be fair that's more of a whale outlook. LR's weapon doesn't scale as well for whale stuff maybe P0 stuff it does.

[torn pilot]

i actually dont know what youre talking about

i dont think were talking about the same things

i like NR cuz it looks way cooler than thermite

[smoky quarry]

you can't see weapon of the operator that you don't field

looks "matter" only if you field operator

[gritty briar]

do you not see the operators as your allies?

they're still there

[smoky quarry]

ah yes, the 10 pixels sword they're holding, I defo have time to look at it

[daring dove]

I think I'll pick up Lifeng's sig next, since he's P5. Need to start building him soon. Although he's still below Rossi & possibly Chen on my priority list.

[smoky quarry]

I'd continue to use box cutter if they didn't introduced glorious memory

cause what's the matter

[daring dove]

Box cutter looks really bad. To be fair glorious doesn't look great on her either. Only her sig really suits her.

But at least it doesn't look like box cutter.

In the UK we'd call it stanley knife

[smoky quarry]

rapid ascent dropped in value even further with GM introduction

[neat snow]

got my tang tang

[potent hornet]

gratz

[soft tendon]

is gm worth for onfield swordmancer chen

[smoky quarry]

no swordmancer anymore

it's yinglung era now

[soft tendon]

even for controlled op chen?

[heady pine]

yeah its better than sundering

[smoky quarry]

(yes, the difference is very significant, re-artifice everything)

[soft tendon]

[heady pine]

its a sidegrade

20% more dmg for less stagger

[soft tendon]

i see

[heady pine]

but gm > p5 sundering onces its past p3

[next helm]

Gm is the battlepass one?

[heady pine]

yeah

[smoky quarry]

There's more than enough stagger on phys team already

[next helm]

Swap pog to swordmancer

[smoky quarry]

and lose arts intensity? hell nah

I'll reuse perlica arts set

[next helm]

I don't know how much you lose

[smoky quarry]

Let's just wait till they come up with actually good set for pogr

[smoky quarry]

30 for 3/3 set bonus

[next helm]

Is that that large?

[smoky quarry]

it is

for breach

[heady pine]

if u run yinglung chen then yeah swordmancer pog is fine

[next helm]

How much % are we talking here

[heady pine]

its like a 2% breach difference

[smoky quarry]

100 from pulsars, 20 from chestplate, 30 from set

wait, I can't calculate

[next helm]

If you run the AI swordmancer pieces

[heady pine]

its just 30 from hot works vs swordmancer

which is about 2% breach difference

[smoky quarry]

should be same except for set

[heady pine]

so if u run yinglung chen the stagger from pog swordmancer is better

otherwise just run normal hot works pog

[smoky quarry]

@twilit quail your opinion on that?

[next helm]

2% for some Pog self damage and stagger

I don't know I don't math, but isn't that very close

[heady pine]

the swordmancer ai kits are +strength, not + will

all of the hot works stuff is +will

[next helm]

I guess

[smoky quarry]

pog has low atk even with thermite

set effect is kinda meh for him

[twilit quail]

this is a fine way to understand it but we need to remember that more stagger is not always better

both sets are useful

[summer flower]

finally someone agreeing on that

[smoky quarry]

I'd say that it's good idea to reuse pulser set from perlica if someone already artificed it

Very economic

[summer flower]

me watching in horror when new sordmancer pieces with different stat dristrbution

[smoky quarry]

they're gonna add 8 swordmancer pieces next update

just to troll phys players

[drifting quest]

endaxis your timeline every fight to decide on chen set

like a real tc'er

[smoky quarry]

honey, time to re-artifice all your gear

[summer flower]

is it swordmancer always?

[drifting quest]

No

New gear is good

[summer flower]

<insert illusion of choice meme>

[frozen tide]

You have my calculator don't you? mess around w it

[drifting quest]

Phys always overcapped on stagger on some fights but there wasnt much else worth considering

[smoky quarry]

Rapid Ascent would go wild with +atk% or at least +phys%

[drifting quest]

Now for those fights we can run new gear

[frozen tide]

Deto is higher total buff percent number but that doesn't always mean better

[smoky quarry]

I recon one of their gamedesigners has no idea how character building works

[summer flower]

... bone got gloves

thats huge aint it?

[smoky quarry]

not for avywenna though

I'll forgive HG's sins if they add alters

So much potential wasted by star ranking

[next helm]

What pieces do you run on chen

I legit want that weapon cause it doesn't look ugly

[smoky quarry]

check last 20 messages

we just talked about it

if you wanna maximize impact from GM and increase chen's damage share, go for yinglung and red gloves

%ult eff %ult %ult %ult

[next helm]

4 ult pieces crazy

[smoky quarry]

her main source of damage is ult

[next helm]

On mobile it sucks to read back, on PC I usually do

[frozen tide]

There's no way chens ult dmg share is higher than btk bs cs combined

[twilit quail]

the set bonus also has 15 atk%

[smoky quarry]

she's part time nuke and full time vuln catalyst

[drifting quest]

2s 3c (higher than the 2c req with uge gear) (other skills for 5s2c done by team)

is (380x2)+(270x3) or 1570%
Ult is about 1500%

on 2s2c that's below
1s2c even lower

[frozen tide]

Le numbers

[drifting quest]

even in an idealised situation where you do plenty of fs with chen, 2s 3c

it's only about even when you factor in buff amounts

maybe slighly biased

requires then access to gear with appropriate attributes and phys dam% and meeting set bonus

[smoky quarry]

what does XsXc means?

[gritty briar]

is it skill and combo?

[drifting quest]

yes

2 skill 3 combo

[smoky quarry]

Rotations are too hard to remember

So I just improvise

eventually I do end up reinventing rotation tho lol

[next helm]

Vibe playing

[tight haven]

youre often going to be interrupted mid-rotation anyway

optimal conditions exist to theorize potential maximums but in reality a lot of those cant be feasibly achieved

the most relevant rotations are the incredibly short ones that are used for speedrunning

because enemies dont get to react

knowing how to recover by understanding who does what is more important than memorizing rots

[drifting berry]

Question, is there any value on having Gilberta Signature? Looking at the Iana's spreadsheet it seems that energy requirements can be met without signature and I cannot find any use other than the slightly higher buff which I don't even know how relevant is.

[tight haven]

it doesnt do anything that stanza doesnt for most players

it does enable new rotations but they arent really worth rolling for her sig over

her sig does end up being better than stanza almost all the time at p5 but thats a p5 sig

[drifting berry]

I see, like in my case I already got her signature when she got her banner but I didn't knew how unimportant her signature was

[glass wind]

Man.. who uses Agi and Int Gear?

[drifting berry]

I could have gotten TT signature instead

Yvonne

Tho I think is the other way around

[smoky quarry]

It's a stanza upgrade

as a bonus

now you can use them both in LR or Yvonne team

Perlica + Gilberta

[soft trout]

even though using redeemer for chen only increases potential by 1% would you still prefer redeemer gloves or the old tac gloves to artifice?

[next helm]

Yeah I kinda regret Gil's sig

But it's still good

[smoky quarry]

even iana guides says to not bother

if you have gloves artificed already

[drifting berry]

I guess, I hope it finds more uses on Rossi teams if she finds a spot there

[soft trout]

No I haven't done it yet

at all

[smoky quarry]

all we need is six star stanza

and gun stanza

[drifting berry]

Cannot wait to play Endfield on dlss5 /s

[smoky quarry]

why the long face

[drifting berry]

that's what dlss5 does

[smoky quarry]

that's what cosplayers do though

[random iron]

Hey folks did someone calc how many gear artificing we get a week or smth like that

[tight stream]

80

[bronze plume]

its 80 cuz thats how many of the item needed to artifice are in the shop each week

[random iron]

That's not too bad

Especially thinking one char every 2 weeks we should be able to max artifice every char?

[smoky quarry]

full artifice takes 200-250 catalysts on average

Only main dps and sub dps need full artificing though

others just need its unique effect

[lime nacelle]

Go big or go home.

[noble tapir]

Am I good to start artificing tt or should I keep waiting?

[random iron]

Considering good match?

[smoky quarry]

good matches are mostly for secondary stats

with the sole exception of redeemer stuff

I'd say 20-30 less

[random iron]

Also I just wanna say I love this game gear and essence system for having limited rng

[smoky quarry]

gotta love farming essenses for 3 days straight to upgrade one blip

[bronze plume]

beats farming artifacts for 1 month straight to upgrade nothing

[smoky quarry]

covid 19 vs AIDS

[bronze plume]

well no

one actually is a upgrade

the other is literally nothing

[drifting berry]

more like mild cold vs stage 1 cancer

[random iron]

Yeah exactly hahah

[smoky quarry]

actually essenses are tolerable

I just hate sig dupes

[bronze plume]

thats just dupes of any gacha

[smoky quarry]

Why gachas have to repeat same patterns over and over again

[drifting berry]

Because Genshin created a standard for 3d gachas and now developing studios invest into 3d gacha using genshin as their reference

[smoky quarry]

I legit had about 20 hours in genshin, which is close to nothing, and I understood like half of endfield character building and progression from the very beginning

Cause barebones it's fucking the same

[drifting berry]

They can be more friendly than genshin but not by a lot because that would eat into their profits

[smoky quarry]

Genshin is very primitive by itself, and by copying from it you force YOUR game to be primitive too

It's really bad compromise between casino and legit game

[noble tapir]

It's ok, I've been farming Zani echoes for 6 months and still haven't hit the desired 1 cost echoes I want lol

[smoky quarry]

leaning more into the former

[drifting berry]

At least Endfield is the least genshin like 3d gacha we have gotten so far.

Not speaking about the gacha itself, which while different you kinda find similar issues with gacha currency income

[smoky quarry]

I'm pretty sure endfield is the first one to use sunken ship fallacy in arpg, incorporated straight from og ak

Which is very toxic and manipulative

And that's only one of many their tricks

[drifting berry]

Depends on which part of the game you are talking about, since you mention og arknights wouldn't it also apply to any game with a sequel?

If anything the first example I can think in gacha of would be Honkai Star Rail (not exactly a sequel but similar).

[smoky quarry]

talking about pulls

[drifting berry]

Still it applies for both

Oh

Yeah makes sense

[smoky quarry]

by not adding carryover they enforce the fear of wasting pulls

if you got baited into pulling, you will be more likely to donate that extra 100-200 dollars just to not waste the others pulls that you got for free

[bronze plume]

just

now hear me out

dont pull if you dont have the 120

there is no "getting baited"

[smoky quarry]

Good idea, that's where pull income comes into play

[bronze plume]

its a gacha game you arent getting everything within the game without spending money in the first place

[gritty briar]

but how will i get my 1500 bp xp?

[bronze plume]

not funny, didnt laugh

[smoky quarry]

There are different approaches, but studios are stubbornly reacting to options in which they focus more on the game than on the casino.

Most of the people get pulled in gachas not because of some weird gambling fetish, but because they genuinely like some aspects of the game

[bronze plume]

thats how video games work yes

[drifting berry]

Yeah, if you are smart you won't find any issues, but it's clearly made against people that pull without planning. Still since it doesn't harms me I don't really care that much, probably not the best approach to it but if they make money and I can enjoy the game for longer I'm happy.

[smoky quarry]

the game creates situations where you won't have pulls for guarantee, but just enough to gamble on 50/50

[drifting berry]

Still needs some touches, specially loooking at the income per patch

[smoky quarry]

like how tangtang goes straight after yvonne

[bronze plume]

yeah thats

how it works

[smoky quarry]

and they are supposed to be used together

[drifting berry]

The situation with Yvonne was diavolical

3 banner back to back to back

[smoky quarry]

You are just saying "well yes, it's manipulative, and?"

the fact of manipulation is treacherous by itself

[bronze plume]

its just how a gacha game works

[drifting berry]

Basically, like it's manipulative but I understand it's manipulative so It doesn't affect me as much

[bronze plume]

no reason to care

[drifting berry]

Again not the best approach

[bronze plume]

if they make something better at the end of the day itll still strive to get money out of people

[drifting berry]

My brain is already cooked from years of constant gacha

[bronze plume]

what if we make a gacha that combines all the worse things about gacha games gacha system

[drifting berry]

thats fgo

[bronze plume]

no guarantee ever no pity carry over slap a weapon banner in there pulls for weapon banner are only gotten from doing pulls on character banner

[bronze plume]

true

[smoky quarry]

An option to pull for oroberyls in arsenal would just make sense

[bronze plume]

well yes and so would a way to just get arsenal tickets better

like how cbt1 had a game mode that gave 5k a week

[drifting berry]

I'm like that a victim of abuse that goes from having a partner that hits me to a partner that only slaps me and because it's an upgrade I'm happy.

[smoky quarry]

Pretty sure it was a test mode just so people could try arsenal

[gritty briar]

are there any new upcoming events this patch or is it all just new versions of existing content (like excluding new umbral or sanity event rerun)?

[smoky quarry]

we get supply event in 2 days

[bronze plume]

that doesnt mean that a gamemode that gives a good amount of it wouldnt make sense

[smoky quarry]

probably gonna be the same as wuling guide event

that gave us sanity serums

or smth like that

And that's all

I'll post here approximate 1.1 pull income calculation in 19-20th of march

I almost got it whole

[smoky quarry]

Sales division job isn't to make sense, it's to generate revenue

[bronze plume]

and yet you said an option to pull for oroberyls in arsenal would make sense

so like

[smoky quarry]

gamedesign wise

[bronze plume]

obviously revenue is the key thing

[smoky quarry]

but that's not a game, it's a casino

[bronze plume]

sigh...

[smoky quarry]

so take invalid

[bronze plume]

this is useless

[smoky quarry]

Sales division be holding EF developers by balls

Thing is, good reputation and good revenue gets you higher than just good revenue

But to understand this you need to have a bit of empathy

[gritty briar]

idk genshin has crazy revenue and i hate that game's gacha too

[distant python]

Add more weekly ways to get arsenal tickets

[gritty briar]

well gacha games in general kinda suck but they make tons

[smoky quarry]

GI reputation is pretty much in shambles

[distant python]

Yet it's still massive

[gritty briar]

yeah and they print infinite money

[distant python]

The majority of its players don't really care too much

Because genshin surface level

Is an insane game

That much content

For free

People just play genshin for the story, occasionally spend to pull waifu and dip

[smoky quarry]

I've been playing a lot of games alongside endfield recently, the said content quality varies wildly

in 20 hours I get more emotions than endfield will possibly ever give me

positive ones, specifically

[tight haven]

endfield is fun but a lot of its parts are implemented poorly for a live-service

the pressure to maximize your aic immediately after a patch update feels fucking awful

[distant python]

I mean

[smoky quarry]

It's all in details

[distant python]

That's like based on if you want to Min max or not

[smoky quarry]

Like the choppy animations

[distant python]

I left aic for like 2 days after patch

[gritty briar]

it's not that big of a deal tbh

[smoky quarry]

That were done that way cause "it's a little thing anyway"

[tight haven]

theres ways they could fix this without changing too much (temporary boost to bill gains you get by logging in maybe?) but eh

[proud vector]

having AIC be locked behind story kinda makes sense but I would love it more if it was a bit more decoupled

[lime nacelle]

It's been a weekend and I'm only getting to it now.

[tight haven]

yeah i could not do this

[lime nacelle]

You don't HAVE to rush.

[tight haven]

thats missing out on so many goddamn artificing cores

[lime nacelle]

You'll just be a bit behind.

Huh?

Even without this, I'm able to buy all the articing stuff every week.

[distant python]

The majority of people do not care about missing out on like 20 cores

[proud vector]

content rushing

Goes BBBRRRRRR

[tight haven]

did you upgrade your shop yet

[distant python]

You don't need to artifice gear at all

[tight haven]

ive had an optimized wuling aic since like

[distant python]

To beat any content in this game

[tight haven]

day 3 of release

[smoky quarry]

Endfield devs getting mixed feedback on AIC integration into story and gameplay

[proud vector]

O that’s fast

[tight haven]

you dont get enough to have a massive surplus of bills

[gritty briar]

i left it till the weekend and managed to buy all the artificing catalysts just fine cause i had some savings

[lime nacelle]

Oh I didn't buy the 85% discount ones.

[gritty briar]

and now that it's done i'll be set for this week too

[lime nacelle]

Those are too exphensive.

[distant python]

At the beginning of each region it's good, using the aic to make xiranite for the defenses is cool

[proud vector]

As in, I wish I didn’t have to go through a specific part of main story quest to unlock all the shit

[distant python]

But why do I have to do all of 1.1 story to unlock new wuling upgrade parts

[smoky quarry]

To be fair you can use this game as glorified glass case for beatuful characters

won't miss much

[proud vector]

I wish I could just bam do it

[tight haven]

imho a lot of it comes down to aic shop stuff reseting weekly which feels very awkward

[proud vector]

Encounter copium ore?

[distant python]

Yeah let me just use the ore once I find it

And explore the map for the aic tech tree parts

[tight haven]

resource income is already limited so also limiting how much of X you can buy per week is odd too

its not like you can whale to stock bills (technically)

[gritty briar]

I don't think you have to do all of it actually. Just need to do enough to walk to all the areas

[smoky quarry]

they cooked any factory impact on the gameplay by removing progression materials from the shop

(not making them refresh-able)

[tight haven]

the factory bits are fun but i do feel pressured to just copy others' bps in a lot of ways

not having a simulated aic area to just experiment with creating new bps without kneecapping my existing aic for one

[smoky quarry]

you might as well skip everything factory could possible give you and still go through

I just artifice and make essenses cause I want to be better and that's all

[cinder oxide]

I got sick of my factory not being fully modular so gonna copy now

[gritty briar]

save your current one as a bp while you expirement

[tight haven]

like its fine ultimately but the current implementation rubs up against the enjoyability of aic for me

[gritty briar]

then put it back when you're done

[tight haven]

i cant

[cinder oxide]

And I’m lacking in components

[tight haven]

irs

huge

LOL

id have to save it as like 6 bps

[gritty briar]

okay save it as 2 blueprints

[wind nebula]

when I feel that pressure, I take a break and come back later. an answer that works for my spaghetti usually shows up as soon I look at it again with fresh eyes

[tight haven]

no i mean

the shop resets weekly

every hour my aic isnt optimal is an hour im falling behind on sellables and parts

if there was a meaningful surplus of bills or aic resources this wouldnt be a problem for me but margins are very tight

[smoky quarry]

I believe it's specifically designed that way just so outcome is slightly higher than losses

[tight haven]

yes

the margin is extremely narrow

honestly unreasonably narrow imho

theres already two orders of limitation to what you can buy with stock bills

[gritty briar]

fwiw you only need like 8.4 mill stock for all the catalysts and you can get around 10 million a week easily, without even doing manual deliveries

[smoky quarry]

Well, not believe. I know it

It coudn't be the other way

[tight haven]

your income is capped AND your purchasables are capped

[wind nebula]

I would say there's an invisible surplus built into the systems already. there's more engraving tickets than I can reasonably use with even BP stamina income, and the artificing is all bonus stats, imo

[gritty briar]

the margin is narrow for keeping up with outpost but you don't even really need to do that to keep up with the shop

[tight haven]

i dont feel that way

i want to artifice my stuff asap to test different gear sets

[smoky quarry]

800k daily outpost
320k daily deliveries
140k daily monitoring
200k daily stock

it is narrow

[warped sorrel]

mb wrong channel

[smoky quarry]

I calculated it

[signal palm]

what is it, im currently running yinglung double radar t1 with redeemer gloves on chen since yinglung helps my panda a little

[smoky quarry]

and rechecked

You barely outpace the losses

[tight haven]

that is the set

[smoky quarry]

so you can't let yourself cut a slack if you don't want to miss on something time-gated

[tight haven]

yeah the margin is just so weirdly tight lol

i dont know why it is this way

im sure it will widen as we get all of wuling but in these intermediary patches it makes aic frustrating for me

[signal palm]

oh very nice

[smoky quarry]

They will just add new set of catalysts

[gritty briar]

from when i did some rough napkin path

okay so
outpost recharges 36k per hour and you get that 20% buff from the operator in there so:
36k x 24 x 7 x 1.2 = 7.2m
lets say 1.5m per week from trading goods
another 600k for photos
doing your own delivery every day is like 500k, depending on how unlucky you get with randoms doing it.
7.2 + 1.5 + .6 + .5 = 9.8 million wuling stock per week

[tight haven]

like again if they wanted to limit progression they already do that by limiting weekly purchases

[gritty briar]

i think i lowballed the photos

they're higher now but i didn't bother to check

[smoky quarry]

Oh, right, the 20% bonus

so 960k from outpost

[wind nebula]

if it required less optimization and completion to keep up, you'd be seeing complaints about having a good factory being pointless instead

[tight haven]

i am not saying they should do that tbc

theres third solutions that exist im sure

[gritty briar]

if you do manual wuling deliveries (crazy people), you'd have far more than enough, but you don't have to do that either

[tight haven]

the current implementation feels bad

[smoky quarry]

That solution being "add something else to the shop"

like 1 ticket every week

[tight haven]

ehh nah

like i think if they just gave you

[smoky quarry]

or coolang gel

[tight haven]

stock bills

for logging in

or doing non-aic tasks per week for the first few weeks of a patch

to alleviate the pressure

[wind nebula]

in order for the design of something to be a great fit for someone, it has to be a bad fit someone else

[tight haven]

thats one solution

okay well no

dont just throw truisms out there

im critiquing the current implementation in a very pointed way

[wind nebula]

the challenge is maximizing the amount of people it fits and minimizing who it doesn't

[smoky quarry]

two options

1. make it good for both sides
2. make it good only for one side

[tight haven]

theres a clear issue i have with it im not just going "i hate this"

[gritty briar]

i kinda dealt with it by just having extra wuling stock from last patch.
I guess i would've felt the pressure too if i just didn't do that

[wind nebula]

I'm not saying your critique is invalid, I'm saying it's likely studied and functionally outvoted

[gritty briar]

but i also kinda like that i'm rewarded for doing it

[smoky quarry]

I upgraded my outpost day 1 by preserving bills inside of the outpost

[tight haven]

like you'd think you would have a surplus of wuling bills after 1.0 but i sure didnt as a buyer of all the artifice cores

[smoky quarry]

That was really nice move

[tight haven]

and a couple wuling essence permits

[tight haven]

well youre not the dev! i dont want to hear that!

lol that came off bitchy

[smoky quarry]

When I complete my weekly artifice catalyst quota I disable batteries and turn on components

Cause for artificing you need comps too

[tight haven]

but like i dislike that answer lol its like telling me "nuh uh"

[gritty briar]

i did tho

bought them all every week

[tight haven]

i had a very small surplus tbc

[gritty briar]

i guess if you were doing wuling etching you wouldn't be able to save though

laev weapon users...

[tight haven]

barely enough to buy all the artificing cores last week

yea

bro

i had to buy

33 permits

[forest ermine]

How much of an improvement is p1 yvonne compared to p0?

[tight haven]

33 fucking wuling permits for laevs weapon

[gritty briar]

unfortunate

[smoky quarry]

what about valley 4 engraving kit?

[wind nebula]

I mean, I can't empathize so I don't know what to say. I have 282 artificing catalysts after only buying the 95% discounted ones for the most part and NONE of the 99% discounted ones.

my complaint would be more like "the content is so unchallenging I have no motivation to artifiice or finalize my team builds"

[tight haven]

cant use them i think?

[smoky quarry]

I think it has all stats despite being valley 4 one

including twilight

[tight haven]

but either way i had no idea they would exist lol

[smoky quarry]

I got laeva essense from first five tickets, I'd abandon that for a period of time otherwise

[tight haven]

so like i probably would be satisfied as well but i had mortifyingly bad artificing luck in 1.0

[smoky quarry]

See you in spiral abyss

[tight haven]

i hit the 20/40 pity more than 10 times

[smoky quarry]

(They will add it)

[tight haven]

i was barely able to kit out 4 ops

and then some xiranite parts for supports on laev

[wind nebula]

I'm not as sold on DPS races, but I do want multi-team content

[tight haven]

like im only annoyed bc artificing is a system with like

four fucking stopgaps

and one of them is literally rng

and i dont care for maximizing damage even, im only interested in testing gear sets

[smoky quarry]

It's not a problem, cause with pull income like that you'll get 1 character once in a 3 months

And I'm not exaggerating

It's accurate

[tight haven]

and charge rate gear all have charge thresholds which eat cores

ok but im a whale

you see the like

issue

LOL

[smoky quarry]

Why do you want to support that game? In the current state?

[tight haven]

i wanna use my new ops but its hard to do that when they want THAT gear set and not THIS gear set

[smoky quarry]

Donation is a letter of gratitude, endfield at this point deserves none

[tight haven]

okay well whaddya want me to say because youre like, chiding me for spending my money

[proud vector]

Are we theorycrafting economy again

[neat snow]

Whale defense force assemble

[smoky quarry]

It's not the fact that you spend money, it's the fact that you enable them

[tight haven]

i dont know i feel like im getting told i shouldnt feel the way i do abt the aic economy atp lmao

[smoky quarry]

You see where I'm coming from? This is a mechanism of positive reinforcement. Almost like you tell them that you are satisfied with the order of things right now

[tight haven]

well dude idk i really like endfield

thats my calculus here, im not gonna go to bat for the many many things i dislike about it but ive decided its good enough for me to support

(of which i am complaining about one of them right now)

[warped sorrel]

just dont use my wallet

[proud vector]

Telling people how to spend their money to benefit the ‘collective whole’

What is this communism?

[tight haven]

its fair to criticize me for

[proud vector]

Go yell at billionaires first

[tight haven]

i think the criticism is annoying and probably not a great way to advocate for the belief that endfield ought to be a better game

like generally finger-wagging at people for their consumptive decisions is like

really cringe

but i agree with the premise

endfield fails in a lot of ways

[proud vector]

premise is solid but gatchas that decline in income do not react the way you think they do

It’s wildly unpredictable if it’s even correlated with quality or stuff

[tight haven]

i think it is better just to build populsr sentiment around the idea that the game needs to do better

[proud vector]

Yea

[tight haven]

which thankfully i think most players are onboard with

if the google play reviews are anything to go by

[proud vector]

it’s also the business market people in suits that

Enforce a lot of the business model

So the devs are being hydraulic pressed from above and below

[tight haven]

i dislike speculating on the pressures the devs are facing because its unknowable

ill always support pushing them to be more player-friendly

[wind nebula]

it's not speculation, it's guaranteed

[tight haven]

sure but like

[warped sorrel]

Dollar voting in gacha community?

[tight haven]

how is that useful

[warped sorrel]

holy politics

[tight haven]

okay the devs face pressure. what do you want me to do about it

just advocate for your own interests! if things dont work out then hell

you tried and hopefully the game is still fun

its how i feel abt every live-service i end up playing personally

[wind nebula]

vast majority of community debate on content direction is pointless. the Surveys and player behavior are gonna be 90% of the factors that contribute to change, other than major incidents

so just debate for fun I guess

[tight haven]

sure but i like the sentiment building

like its a misunderstanding of sociological principles to go "oh well i guess nothing will change, so everyone should know their place"

[wind nebula]

like, CCs and what DOESN'T get talked about will matter more. no news is good news as they say. the new story isn't ground breaking, but it's not bad enough to cause a major hate reaction

[tight haven]

people want to complain, will complain, and if you're just scoffing at them for complaining thats like

[warped sorrel]

hm i want harder content on combat side
is there is only a small group of people who want this?

[tight haven]

gay as hell

[smoky quarry]

They do not address "free rewards" and "premium content" complaints cause it goes against their business model

simple as it is

do not expect major concessions

[tight haven]

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT I GOT A DAMN BOYFRIEND

i can say it

[smoky quarry]

unless something big happens

[tight haven]

i can friggin' say it

[noble tapir]

[tight haven]

goddammit fine no i cant

i dont want anyone getting any bright ideas

[warped sorrel]

its fine neither way nobody cares here

[tight haven]

yeah im playing it up for the bit lol

[warped sorrel]

mod is cool too

[smoky quarry]

how do i feel reading this ✌️

js find it hilarious

[tight haven]

norwegians are always saying that

[warped sorrel]

where is my hardcore combat content hg

[smoky quarry]

solo catcher agony

[warped sorrel]

Its like people are tcing with no spices

[warped sorrel]

i can just go 2heal 1endmin and it will just get boring

[smoky quarry]

If devs will maximize combat difficulty then issues will arrise, it would mean that only 100% metagaming parties would be able to pass it

[warped sorrel]

But i also hate timer content

[smoky quarry]

People who like to play suboptimal (most) won't be satisfied

[fresh trench]

i ran out of things to improve my ardelia

[tight haven]

gods honest truth as long as its not fucking moc or pf-tier new op shilling idm

[warped sorrel]

P5p5?

[tight haven]

those two were the least enjoyable things ive ever played in any gacha

[smoky quarry]

agony was alright in terms of difficulty

[edgy crater]

p5p5?

[smoky quarry]

made me sweat a little

[fresh trench]

i ran out of permanent roll

[wind nebula]

If I had to guess, a new super hard endgame mode will launch the same patch Fuang Yi releases

[fresh trench]

60 rolls for next garunteed 6 stars

I AINT OPEN THAT 😭

[edgy crater]

💳

[fresh trench]

🛢️

[edgy crater]

[fresh trench]

i wanted to spend aight but did you see the gassprice like no joke

[tight haven]

i do think theyre just waiting it out a while

[smoky quarry]

🇺🇸 🤝 🇷🇺

Oil snippets from 2027

[tight haven]

they dont wanna drop difficult content right out of the gate

[smoky quarry]

About damn time, you could finish third team if you wanted already

[tight haven]

that said i am disappointed that they didnt implement ANY game mode thats optionally uber-difficult a la IS

[smoky quarry]

Optional game-mode with not optional rewards

[tight haven]

again i was expecting etchspace to be that and uh

wow no it was not that

[smoky quarry]

you know that in that case they can't put good rewards

[wind nebula]

I think they are wanting to see if the other styles of content can carry the game. honestly it shows confidence in their overall design and content, imo. a bit of miss on the story for the west at least, but it's showing promise in 1.1

[smoky quarry]

cause it would be frustrating for others

[tight haven]

1.1's story content was def stronger

[fresh trench]

its p4 p1,i wanted oblivion so bad for p2 also i believed p5 ardelia might be enough reducing combo cd from 17 to 15 so her weapon passive down time is only 5 seconds is huge

[tight haven]

toward the end the endmin talks a lot and tangtang is very likeable

[smoky quarry]

3/10 -> 4/10

[tight haven]

that said im still not very interested in wulings story

[smoky quarry]

and valley 4 was 2/10

[tight haven]

fangyi just came off as a total creep for some reason toward the end

i dont know if that was intended

[fresh trench]

i really need a way to reduce ardelia BA time tho but after testing it didnt matter canceling or not

[smoky quarry]

it's kind of her personality archetype

[tight haven]

no it felt unintentional

like a joke that landed poorly

like it seemed as if she was trying to sound accommodating to tangtang but it legit sounded like she was gaslight gatekeep girlbossing her

[wind nebula]

I really appreciate that TangTang, a playable banner character, is allowed to:

1. Display complex emotions and mildly uncomfortable behavior for an extended period

2. actually set boundaries with the MC and shut down our attempts to "fix" everything with just a few comforting words

[smoky quarry]

It's a pretty low bar if you consider that og ak story is like staple 7-8/10

[fresh trench]

penguin plaster

[tight haven]

i dont like grading stories on a numerical scale that way when i wanna seriously discuss them

theres a lot i dislike abt og ak's best stories not presented well with a number out of 10

[smoky quarry]

EF story is just very shallow right now. It got personality of a pizza cutter

All edge, no point

[tight haven]

sure

i dont disagree but like

[wind nebula]

sure, but I wasn't rating anything, just listing

[tight haven]

just a very broad critique i guess

[distant python]

The penguin plaster was soo cute, I want some now

[bronze plume]

can we all agree eyjafjallas story was peak

[fresh trench]

man i feel like this game is actually darker than it seem like character is ded but because there is no blood i dont think it look like anyone die,WE KILLED THOUSAND OF LANDBREAKER maybe even million 😭

[bronze plume]

and if you think it isnt you are dumb and stupid

0 bias

[fresh trench]

who is eyfalasj

[smoky quarry]

hellen keller?

[warped sorrel]

i rather arguing politic with my dog than read 1.1 tangtang story

[smoky quarry]

ardelia original tm

[bronze plume]

Ardelia is Eyjafjallas reconvener

[warped sorrel]

I dont even have a dog

[wind nebula]

oh it fails when analyzed as a whole. it only redeems itself a bit in a few decent character scenes, imo

[bronze plume]

nah you got that dawg in you

[smoky quarry]

I just talk with medsisters in psych ward

they always listen

[edgy crater]

gonna funny if we got ardelia alter n her skill summoning the sheep with magic hat

[fresh trench]

i dont play arknight but my friend did open it up to show me before i forgor,i dont think she have story quest yet? but it does tied to the shelter story tho?

[bronze plume]

she has a entire literal event around her

[smoky quarry]

I've heard that mr. dolly is the most atrocious boss in the story of arknights. Is that true?

[bronze plume]

no

[smoky quarry]

"Mr. dolly is an asshole" literal quote from my friend

[bronze plume]

people just dont like the wizard sheep of the little black sheep herald

[bronze plume]

cuz in that time it was have eyjaberry or suffer

[edgy crater]

wizard sheep, dat shit scary

[fresh trench]

i dont know that but i love how she show her rock collection in chat

[warped sorrel]

Mr. Dolly chat with endmin is pretty funny

[bronze plume]

the event goes over how shes high due to drugs to help keep her sane while coping with the lose of her parents :)

[fresh trench]

sound fimilair...

[edgy crater]

never let those sheep wizard inhaling pink farts

[pearl cypress]

Worst arknights boss is actually that fucking seaborn from the ship event

[edgy crater]

dats easy

[smoky quarry]

Eyjah is baically hellen keller, right? Blind and deaf

[wanton notch]

Eh, it's quite easy honestly.

The only stage can be hard is one where enemy afk and one with poison gas

[smoky quarry]

How she shows herself in og ak being like that?

[bronze plume]

sure

[smoky quarry]

seven minutes

[bronze plume]

well no

[wanton notch]

https://tenor.com/view/7-minutes-is-all-i-can-spare-to-play-with-you-wesker-7-minutes-gif-9889520412181032250

[tight haven]

the antichrist appears in it

[bronze plume]

dolly is not a hard boss

[tight haven]

no but he ruined my fucking autos

[pearl cypress]

that he did

[tight haven]

first time i remember giving up and looking for a trust farm guide

because holy shit FUCK YOU dolly

[warped sorrel]

what did he do im clueless

[smoky quarry]

be gentle, mr dollie

[warped sorrel]

sound like he pegging me or something

[pearl cypress]

part of arknights is autocompleting levels with a recorded completion. Some bosses and levels have variance that ruin previous autocompletes often. Mr. Dolly had abilities like that

[tight haven]

yeah it was the shield mechanic iirc

[warped sorrel]

You dont have to say it like that i understand arknights mechanic and shi i play it before

[tight haven]

sometimes your ops just have enough variance in their damage to his shield for him to slip through and mess up your auto

[smoky quarry]

something akin to second stage of tower defense?

You pre-plan and can't intervene mid-fight

[pearl cypress]

yeah

[tight haven]

i dont exactly remember i only remember checking my phone while autoing and then it all went to shit

[smoky quarry]

this can go many ways with rng lol

[proud vector]

Oh god I thought auto saved the rng seed

[tight haven]

MOST stages dont have rng during autos

[proud vector]

Did it not?

[tight haven]

no

[proud vector]

Fuark

That sounds horrible ass

[pearl cypress]

not always. It rarely mattered though

[tight haven]

but any enemy with % dodge mechanics will mess you up

uhh

[pearl cypress]

which makes it more aggevating when it did happen

[tight haven]

enemies that have any randomness associated with their kit can potentially mess up an auto i guess

but yeah it was indeed very rare

dolly was the most offensive example i can think of

[warped sorrel]

So he can dodge

[tight haven]

babel had soooooome bullshit(?)

no

[pearl cypress]

last crossover event did it to me

[tight haven]

he had a shield mechanic that relied on your operators being next to steam geysers and the geysers had rng to them(?)

oh my god right

morpheus

actually dolly would probably get bodied by contrail no

[warped sorrel]

what kind of rng

[tight haven]

just block him lol

[edgy crater]

then we get worse than dolly, namely concrete truck from lappter evenr

[warped sorrel]

like appear and re appear?

[edgy crater]

[tight haven]

its really difficult to explain

[warped sorrel]

gemini it

[tight haven]

so long adele was a decently mechanically complex event

[bronze plume]

for its time*

[edgy crater]

yeah

[tight haven]

if youre not an og ak player it would take a socratic dialogue to like

help you understand

[warped sorrel]

Im the og dog

I was there when she died

[bronze plume]

non ak players trying to understand the lore

[tight haven]

yeah true

holy fuck the bandori collab event was the spawn of fucking satan

[compact bridge]

Usually the one that make rng worst is crit, arknight doesnt have that crit

[pearl cypress]

I don't think it was rng as much as the auto complete isn't always a 100% accurate replication. And it sometimes would matter

[warped sorrel]

I was beside kal to unalive the last wendigo bro

Im him

[edgy crater]

ex stage ironically easier than standard stage lmao

[tight haven]

good way of putting it

[wanton notch]

[edgy crater]

3 lane really

[tight haven]

i love how like all the non-hoshialter clears of ss-6 (with the invisible oneshot puppets) needed like 5 ops minimum

[edgy crater]

wisadel n logos say hi lmao

[edgy crater]

shit i forgot which stage is dat again

[tight haven]

its the one that spawned like 6 fuck-off nuker invis puppets

[edgy crater]

oh those shit

[tight haven]

and only hoshialter could dps and tank them all

[pearl cypress]

oh. from the last collab?

[tight haven]

yes

[compact bridge]

That sheep has 3 layer of shield, sometimes your operator destroy these shield too fast or too late so your entire auto messed up

[tight haven]

lemuen and hoshialter is what i ended up using

for my trust farm

[warped sorrel]

thats funny

[pearl cypress]

I just anti-inisibled them

[tight haven]

THANK YOU

okay i was forgetting what exactly it was

i was wrong in my head

i thought it had something to do with the geysers

[warped sorrel]

so that is all cry about dolly

[tight haven]

yeah he just ruined autos

[edgy crater]

tho ave mujica event basically "wheres ur ines" event lmao

[warped sorrel]

his shield mechanic

[tight haven]

the actual difficult enemies from so long adele were the wizard sheep

they attacked quickly, moved quickly and did a ridiculous amount of damage

[pearl cypress]

ines or silverash or scene

or one 4 star sniper guy

[edgy crater]

not even ng can counter it

[compact bridge]

Yeah the white and pink cloud is what make your operator deal different damage on the shield lol

[tight haven]

totter 🙏

[edgy crater]

yeah, totter s1 turbo lol

[warped sorrel]

BACK IN MY DAY
HATEFUL AVENGERS WAS THE GOAT

[pearl cypress]

hateful avenger is still the goat

[edgy crater]

what goat? just throw jiji s2 lol

[pearl cypress]

just stuck in the fun game mode where enemies attack each other

[tight haven]

tw: antichrist

[warped sorrel]

Hope he is playable
CC12 version

[tight haven]

if they ever make a ccb with adele im going to suffer cardiac arrest

[edgy crater]

global range sheep wizard

[warped sorrel]

They should make a skin for adelia

make her wear funny wizard hat

[pearl cypress]

that would be awesome

[dense rune]

As a free to play player did i go over board with this account i spent almost everything i have on characters and weapons at an early stage of the game

This is the list

Operators 6 stars
Laevatain
Tangtang
Ardelia
Yvonne
Pogranichnik
Last Rite
Lifeng
Ember

Weapons 6 stars

Detonation Unit
Dreams of the Starry Beach
Home Longing
Navigator
Clannibal
Wedge
jet
Former Finery
Sundered Prince
Forgeborn Scathe
Eminent Repute
Thermite Cutter

My question is should i restart since ee are still in the beginning or should i let it ride because i feel like i made some bad investment

[warped sorrel]

Give mr. Dollar some magic ward

[warped sorrel]

WHAT

[compact bridge]

Here is your order sir

[warped sorrel]

why mr. Dollar look cute instead of stupid silly

[bronze plume]

restarting is a waste of time it doesnt matter its a video game

there is quite literally nothing in this game hard enuf to make a choice a bad one

[dim night]

true I rather steal an account then restart

[warped sorrel]

Its ok your account is normal
it unlike hoyo game this game is fine

[bronze plume]

even for hoyo games

restarting has got to be the stupidest thing ive ever heard

[proud vector]

It’s not a restart

It’s a tactical reroll on Tangtang

[bronze plume]

thats

a fucking restart

[dim night]

reroll is so bad as a reroller, it’s not worth it

[warped sorrel]

You wont face any stupid powercreep and feel bad playing the character you like becuase meta

[bronze plume]

rerolling is stupid, restarting is stupid need i go on

[dim night]

I already gave up on my reroll account

[proud vector]

Me, script kiddie

Automation is sugoi

[drifting berry]

Depends on the game, generally speaking rerolling will just burn you out into not playing the game.

Tho there are some gachas in which rerolling is viable, either by it being a mobile game allowing multiple instances, the reroll process being fast, or by the game giving you a lot of pulls after a short period of playing.

I regret rerolling in 90% of the cases I have done it tho

[proud vector]

This is why you play an account first to see if the game is good

[gritty briar]

this game sounds extra miserable to reroll for too

[proud vector]

then reroll with the power of understanding

[tight haven]

yeah rerolling in ef is torture

dont even try

[proud vector]

Oh this game is miserable to reroll

[drifting berry]

Endfield is prob the most miserable reroll you can do

[tight haven]

you just get

no pulls

[proud vector]

No launch genshin still holds that title

[tight haven]

and it takes ages to get them

[compact bridge]

I know a friend that reroll account with just a single pull lol

[proud vector]

No joke

That shit is ass

[gritty briar]

what would you even reroll for? I guess gilberta but hoping you offbanner her is even worse torture

like there aren't crazy enough outliers to bother aiming for

[warped sorrel]

Im thinking about creating new accounts for rossi because i don't wanna pull rossa on main

[bronze plume]

gilberta or yvonne is literally the only things to reroll for

[drifting berry]

It's decent because the pool of characters you can get is decent, 1 rate up and 2 off rates limited characters. But you get almost no pulls per reroll and the process is extremely long

[bronze plume]

some people are beyond help and reroll until they get a early pity on the current limited

[bronze plume]

see this kinda thing is braindead

[drifting berry]

I knew I was not rerolling so I bought BP and monthly inmediatly day 1

[gritty briar]

going through the lengthy reroll process to get like 30 pulls for the meagre chance of getting an offbanner gilberta just sounds like insanity

[warped sorrel]

I know i will definitely get bored but i still wanna taste rossi

[bronze plume]

i knew i was going to get enuf pulls from just playing to get laev and gilberta and ardelia was free so

0 reason to reroll

[warped sorrel]

hybrid team is interested me

[drifting berry]

The thing is that potentially rerolling can save you a lot of pulls, with capital letters on potentially

At the end the older the account the less relevant the whole rerollin process was

[gritty briar]

look there are limits to how much torture a person can endure to optimize gacha pulls

[proud vector]

Me, rerolled a handful for early 6*

My first 6*, pog, still rotting at lv 40

[warped sorrel]

I never reroll too lazy
If i got bad hand i just quit

hsr wuwa zzz

[feral fractal]

nah, i'd adapt

play even if your acc is bricked

[warped sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/mahoraga-makora-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-15349122341911766662

[drifting berry]

I love how they allow datamining because devs know they ain't leaking shit

[compact bridge]

Its pointless to save pulls tho

You need to pull for the arsenal

[warped sorrel]

They indeed coontrol their data very secure

[pearl cypress]

But I need my guaranteed Mi Fu

[potent hornet]

pull out that card

[warped sorrel]

b b but what about the guarantee

[drifting berry]

I mean, there's not really a necesity to pull on the arsenal banner, Laev Signature is like 10% better than BP p5 according to iana's spreadsheet, similar situation with Yvonne with the extra of having Wedge, and Gilberta signature that is not a big upgrade.