theorycrafting

[daring dove]

Ah you mean the infinite whirlpool glitch.

[sterile patrol]

the incident

[drifting quest]

no i mean the

one shot

literally evaporate a boss instantly

[noble tapir]

Oh it’s a different one? Shit lol

[daring dove]

All Yyonne's handiwork that.

[drifting quest]

there's clips of bosses evaporating from full hp

[noble tapir]

Shoutout xaihi maindps

[drifting quest]

but the inverse can also happen

your units can get one shot

[indigo pine]

that looks so silly

[drifting quest]

by any damage

it seems to be a bug with ally unit coding from what ive seen

[indigo pine]

[drifting quest]

and it happens to tangtang much more frequently than any other unit

so if your tangtang ever randomly seemed to die in a run when not being controlled

that's why

[daring dove]

Tangtang maybe a little overtuned to be honest, I hope we don''t end up getting big power creep every patch cycle. We still have Rossi to come in this one as well.

There's still a possiblity Gilberta may end up better than Tangtang, so it's hard to call her power creep directly. But in the current state of the game she definitely seems like the strongest character we'ved recieved by a decent margin.

[drifting quest]

tt numbers were below expectations fwiw

she just cycles a lot cleaner

[noble tapir]

I still think it’s a little unfair to laev since laev’s team is fucking poverty compared to tt

Like tt isn’t reliant on wulf y’know?

[oak vigil]

Tbh if I understand correctly how Tangtan works with her whirlpools susceptibility (15% at p0 and 30% at p3 with all 3 whirlpools), both Gilby and Tangtang have their own niche still

Hell you can even use them both at the same time

[indigo pine]

this is 10% at p0 and 15% at p3

[daring dove]

It's that an she's so insanely front-loaded in her damage that she's often dealt with the enemy before the rest of the team has even landed a hit. At least at my levels of investment.

[oak vigil]

Oh

Well damn

[daring dove]

Having such a heavy front-loaded damage is obviously a highly valued trait for a main DPS.

An characters like Yvyonne & Last Rite lack it a lot.

Hence why even if her DPS in techincally lower over a whole rotation for me Tangtang is a better main DPS than Yvonne & Last Rite.

The fact she also supports & doesn't need to consume inflictions to deal her damage makes it so in my opinion she utterly gaps them.

In terms of unit quality.

[oak vigil]

Mmmmm I feel like she is more of a generalist, she is a dps and a support

ADMITTEDLY she fits onto way more teams

[drifting quest]

i mean tangtang is just very comparable to lifeng

[dry kindle]

Extra funny because it straight up kills them

[drifting quest]

and lifeng is a really good unit

[drifting quest]

yeah it can bypass phase changes LMFAO

[dry kindle]

There was a phase 2 trig just dying

[drifting quest]

you can proc it on phase 1 dorito

and just end it

0s

[dry kindle]

Too op laev could never

[daring dove]

I haven't built Lifeng yet so I won't comment on how good or bad he is. But for me of all the characters I have built. Tangtang's in an entirely different tier to the rest of them.

He is on my to build list after Rossi if I get her.

[normal tangle]

why so much tt glaze now

what happened

[oak vigil]

Because despite our skeptical views before release, she is a really operator generalist

[daring dove]

Mostly my opinion of Whale Tangtang, experiences for others may differ.

[oak vigil]

deserved glaze then ig?

[drifting quest]

most of the early tt issues were skill issue

pretty much

cleaner rots means cleaner performance

[oak vigil]

Yeah also that ^

[normal tangle]

i haven’t logged in since she came out what’s the rundown

people were just using her wrong?

is there some hidden tech

[drifting quest]

tt still has some issues if you arent playing the right rots

[daring dove]

Naw she's super easy to use but she has insanely front-loaded damage making her a pretty top tier DPS.

[drifting quest]

which can cause her actual performance to be worse relative to peak

[daring dove]

Alongside being a support.

[drifting quest]

there was like day 1 thought she might not be better but that very quickly went away

[normal tangle]

is it tt+gilb or does she replace gilb or something

[drifting quest]

tt xaihi (lr/yvonne) (gilb/perlica)

is the general team idea

or for the fellow carry tt enjoyers

tt (perlica/akekuri/ardelia/xaihi/gilberta/etc)

[dry kindle]

Now fund me

[smoky quarry]

Why perlica is not used in laeva team as sp-free debuffer?

[daring dove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9jOoj9Uh5k That was my testing once I had fully built her obviously this is P5-P5 but she's not actually that much weaker at P0-P0.

[drifting quest]

who are you dropping to facilitate it

like perlica comps exist

they just perform worse on average

[smoky quarry]

the ardelia slot, ofc

[daring dove]

I mean Ardelia's debuffing capabilities are larger, but she can be annoying to use granted.

[dry kindle]

If you're dropping ard you probably just run the degen timeline instead

So

[daring dove]

The fact the enemy your attacking can't have any inflictions to rigger her combo skill really does decrease Ardelia's value.

If she didn't have that requirement she'd be a lot better than Gilberta.

[dry kindle]

Ok but gilberta without p5 wulf

[smoky quarry]

I don't get the correlation

[summer flicker]

slab is the cheapest

2 other stat is useless

[dry kindle]

Laev stacks

[smoky quarry]

How does gilberta affects stacks in that way that p5 wulfgard is now required

[dry kindle]

Corrosion

Unless you're a weirdo and not using gilb for the pull here

[noble tapir]

Alright but when are they adding the physical variant of pulsar labs/hot works set so my pog can do 10% damage share instead of 7%

[bronze plume]

1.2 to never

[noble tapir]

Tryna make my basics HIT y’know? Never Rest stonks and what not this is a meme don’t worry

[glass birch]

Just use hot works since it has more will

[honest hill]

mdps tt?

[noble tapir]

No I know. It’s more arts intensity too since it’s on the gloves and not the chest like pulsar labs

[smoky quarry]

same as thermite, but replace ult piece with art intensity

[summer flicker]

yes

[honest hill]

did sub dps tt gears change

[summer flicker]

p1 is lynx

[honest hill]

what about p0

[summer flicker]

te same

[honest hill]

what the same

[smoky ocean]

p1 has a different build?

oh wow

[honest hill]

yinglung heavy armour?

[summer flicker]

yes because different rotation

[smoky ocean]

3rd time im changing my tangtang build

[smoky ocean]

is it with yvonne or does it apply to lr too

[summer flicker]

not sure, but pretty sure with yvonne, idk about lr cuz i dont cook rot for her

[honest hill]

would tt set for lr be diff to yvonne or something

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1aHwGzCEok
still scuffed phase 2 but getting close to max time

[smoky ocean]

insane button layout

[outer ermine]

left handed moment

[honest hill]

who's acc is this

[outer ermine]

striker

[honest hill]

so

he whales

[smoky ocean]

oh wow you can jump before tangtang ult

[honest hill]

u do all the work

[summer flicker]

lmao use bomb to lauch yourself forward

[outer ermine]

teamwork

[summer flicker]

[outer ermine]

[summer flicker]

Ruan Yi kinda carry your phase 2

with his helping bomb

[outer ermine]

this would have been good but the last orb went thru ruan so i didnt see it

[honest hill]

what the fastest clear ever

[outer ermine]

66 last time i checked

[honest hill]

wow

Hifumi ur such a whale

can't believe it

[noble tapir]

Using the bombs to get closer to the orbs is funny lol

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1kswszFEyo

[summer flicker]

wonder how much attack i can get with max artificed

such a shame

not 6666

[dry kindle]

🗣️

[honest hill]

bruh P4 where is ur P5??

[dry kindle]

Fake whel

[next helm]

6k atk

wtf

[honest hill]

fake tt enjoyer

[next helm]

You can move ui on mobile?

[honest hill]

ig u can

[next helm]

I fucking hate how I have to look at combo skills on the other side of the screen

[summer flicker]

broke

[honest hill]

fake whel, fake tt enjoyer

[summer flicker]

cope that tommorrow 80 artifice can max this set COPIUM

[honest hill]

btw

the ss u sent

that's the final gear for tt?

[summer flicker]

p1+

[honest hill]

ik I'm saying

will it change

[summer flicker]

yes

maybe

[honest hill]

it will change?

wym maybe

[summer flicker]

if better rotation come out

[honest hill]

for my P0 yeah

[smoky quarry]

shit I missed 20 artifice catalysts from prev week

I forgot about them

[honest hill]

cooked

[outer ermine]

bricked

[summer flicker]

p0 still need ult eff so kekw

[smoky quarry]

I don't have bills anyway, terrible update launch timing

[summer flicker]

it could change

[smoky quarry]

Why it happens in the middle of the week, and not on the normal weekly refresh

why tf there's two separate weekly refreshes

[honest hill]

bruh where's ur nitro u fake whel

[summer flicker]

nitroless sad

[honest hill]

should've saved like the rest of us

[smoky quarry]

By terrible launch timing I mean the fact that it was aired in the middle of the week

[honest hill]

I mean

even then

[smoky quarry]

and not in the monday

[honest hill]

tbf it cost 3.6M

[smoky quarry]

also new factory layout was pain in my ass for couple of hours

[honest hill]

guys

[orchid cargo]

meow

[honest hill]

can someone explain how my ult lance doing 4x my normal ones

[glass birch]

Doesn't avy have a higher multiplier for the lance ex?

[drifting quest]

a bit short of x3

[honest hill]

hm

but like

3.3x

[orchid cargo]

im lowk bored of this game wheres the new content mann

[smoky quarry]

update was released 4 days ago

[orchid cargo]

i love this game but man the content is not much

[smoky quarry]

next one will be in 4 weeks

[orchid cargo]

fahh

that long

thats gonna take a bit sadly

[smoky quarry]

I heard that time goes faster if you get a job

[glass birch]

Ain't no reason to be rude to eachother 👀 let's not go there.

[orchid cargo]

fr no need to be rude

[smoky ocean]

just wondering if this lifeng one shot bug is happening to everyone else 😭 cant test my physical team rotation

[orchid cargo]

i never had that

[glass birch]

Ive seen it happen with tangtang too

[smoky ocean]

i just had it 3 times in a row with lifeng ult

[outer ermine]

tt, xai on my side

[smoky quarry]

Was it rude though?

[outer ermine]

still havent oneshot a boss out of nowherre tho

[drifting quest]

any unit can do it

it just happens more often on tangtang

or well

im assuming any unit can do it

[next helm]

Nah this update is 1 quest

36 chests

And some new factory stuff

[drifting quest]

lifeng and tt both being able to do it makes me think it might be related to susc application

[outer ermine]

fix it already i need comp

[drifting quest]

i think ive seen ardelia do it too

[smoky quarry]

Took me 12 hours to clear, despite skipping everything that is not important story dialogue

[glass birch]

The tidbit about when the next update was wasnt rude. The added remark about getting a job was rude

[smoky ocean]

that kinda makes sense?

nope it doesnt

this bug is so weird

[smoky quarry]

It's only rude cause you interpret it that way

[drifting quest]

yeah i have no idea what is causing it

[smoky quarry]

People always assume the worst nowadays, huh

[drifting quest]

but tt and lifeng is a connection that might imply a causation

[glass birch]

That was my thought but idk how to replicate it. It happens from time to time with TT's BS

[drifting quest]

its like

non controlled unit

combo or battle skill

that i see it most often

[orchid cargo]

man tangtang is lowk peak she the goat

[smoky quarry]

who evaporates? Operator or boss?

[pallid phoenix]

I can’t get tangtang ult fast enough :/ tempting to put her on some ult efficiency gear

[drifting quest]

both can

its a two way bug

[normal tangle]

you spamming that attack button is pissing me off bro

just hold it please

[honest hill]

I don't like doing that

[smoky ocean]

icl i spam it too

[ebon thicket]

Does anyone know if Gryph plans on making Endmin a multi-element character like Genshin or wuwa or hsr mcs? If yes then I’m prob not gonna build, but if no then I’ll go for it. Have they ever brought this up?

[honest hill]

too early to say

[ebon thicket]

So they never mentioned it then

[honest hill]

yes not mentioned

I don't think they'll have other elements

[real mist]

yo is tangtang's p1 good or nah

[drifting quest]

yesnt

[quartz horizon]

dupes are not worth it in this game

as there's genuinely no challenge

although, I am getting it for myself personally

i don't want any future charas so

why not xd

extra damage is nice

reduced cooldown is great

[real mist]

I have like 90 pulls in the spark system cause I got tangtang during the free 10 pulls (after pulling 30)

[quartz horizon]

who's your dps

[real mist]

yvonne

[quartz horizon]

do u want tt weapon?

actually nvm I'd recommend just waiting for nother banner

[real mist]

I already had her weapon but I'm lacking weapon currency later on (I got drained)

ye i'd prolly just save it.

[quartz horizon]

if f2p, save

[oak vigil]

I mean… Endmin controls originium arts, not arts as the whole

Nor it’s tied to oripathy stuff either, so it’s just Endmin is specialized at arts specifically for Originium

[terse valley]

multi element who knows
multi class definitely

[summer flicker]

i simp tangtang

so i p4 her(p5 if lucky)

[smoky quarry]

Lore moment 🤓

Endmin is originium bender, like priestess. It's a privilige that allows to manipulate and create originium

[timber harness]

I want to watch the bee movie with endmin

[noble tapir]

Just play sts2 with ae open and hit the bee boss in act 2. Problem solved

[orchid mantle]

he hit people with rock, physical element

[dusk isle]

does link apply on only the first lance to be pulled with avy bs ?

[drifting quest]

buffs them all

[proud vector]

Link logic is wacky to me

[dusk isle]

in a few runs my first lance(s) to hit always deal exactly 30% more dmg

129k vs 99k for example

[proud vector]

Ok can’t be ult lance that’s the 256k

Isn’t an arts burst either I think…

[honest hill]

btw this is no link

[dusk isle]

here is another example

[honest hill]

do u know how there's a 126k

[proud vector]

crit??

No the mult is bigger

[honest hill]

for me the dmg number is 30% higher

is that what is considered crit

[dusk isle]

in both cases my dmg was exactly 30% off.. so i was thinking it was related to link somehow

[honest hill]

mine's no link

soo

where is the 30% coming from

[potent hornet]

must be hacks

[honest hill]

must be

if all the spears supposed to do same dmg no crit

then the two I have are crits

I think?

[potent hornet]

251132 has to be the crit

or is that a perlica ult hit?

[proud vector]

Ult spear

Maybe

[dusk isle]

that is ult lance retract

[potent hornet]

gotcha

i haven't played her too much because as soon as i started building her for my main team i pulled LR and pivoted to that

[dusk isle]

i got it to happen without link as well (the 57k is most likely due to electrification running out)

[potent hornet]

whats the team setup?

[dusk isle]

avy - perli - ake - gilb

[potent hornet]

weapons?

jet, stanza, thermite, delivery?

[dusk isle]

jet - deto - therm - stanza

[potent hornet]

gotcha

[dusk isle]

in same order as above

[potent hornet]

right stanza won't work on perl with avy

[honest hill]

that 93k is not a crit

can't be

[potent hornet]

oh you know what

it might be the timer on corrosion ticking up to the next level

[dusk isle]

setup is same as this, but only on the 3rd set of ss i sent i wasted link on perli ult to test it without link

[dusk isle]

the first one deals more dmg tho

[honest hill]

the 185k?

the uly

ult

from my clip they deal same damage

well roughly the same

800 dmg diff

185084 vs 185813

[potent hornet]

hmmm

i'm trying to go frame by frame, but there isn't anything obvious that i can see. you don't lose any buffs

[honest hill]

ye

[potent hornet]

ohhh

those are thunderlance EX yea?

returning EX lances deal more dmg as per avy basic skill

regular lances don't get any extra dmg

so that is probably the discrepancy

[dusk isle]

nope

from my ss above, 99k is normal cs lance dmg, 129k is the first one that hit, 256k is ult lance

[honest hill]

well it does apply 10% susc

[dusk isle]

on ult cast as well

[honest hill]

I mean all of em get that buff

[dusk isle]

yep

[potent hornet]

odd the battle skill calls out EX specifically getting more dmg

not the regulars\

[dusk isle]

it does get more dmg

i mean 256k vs 99k is more dmg

the 99k and 256k check out, it is the 129k one that stands out

[honest hill]

this one w ginseng

[potent hornet]

hmmm, yea that is weird

always seems to be 2 dmg instances

[honest hill]

why is there 3 diff versions of the number

[dusk isle]

and it looks to be always the first one to deal more dmg

[honest hill]

118k 102k 78k 80k

4 I mean

one is crit ofc

[dusk isle]

corro ramp

[honest hill]

on which

[potent hornet]

there isn't enough time passed for it to get more than 1 ramp during that combo

[dusk isle]

102k is the first one to hit
78k and 118k are after
corro ramps
80k

[honest hill]

wait so

[dusk isle]

102k is +30% of 78k
118k is +50% of 78k

[honest hill]

ye

[potent hornet]

So do me a favor

[honest hill]

80k is after ramp

[potent hornet]

try to wait the full 10 seconds after corrosion has been applied

then pop it and see what happens

[dusk isle]

but that does not make any sense

the FIRST one deals more dmg

[honest hill]

which one

[potent hornet]

first hit

after the ult

[honest hill]

102k?

or the ult spear

it does like 206k ish

tho I can't see the number

[dusk isle]

no corro, no link, still 30% difference

[honest hill]

what about bonekrusha

[smoky quarry]

Amps go into separate brackets?

[daring sluice]

it says i can plant crops at eco farm, where is this

[dusk isle]

i tested that

[honest hill]

even without bonekrusha it's still 30%

[dusk isle]

i mean lemme go in naked and try it again

[honest hill]

the way ur facing go right then left

[shrewd saffron]

is slab better than a second mask? taught may said a 2nd mask was roughly 0.4% better? or have you done more testing?

[summer flicker]

p1

may said slab for p1

[shrewd saffron]

ahh mb, was a few days ago i taught she mentioned it, rip my 2nd mask, but atleast can use my 2nd slab on soupsoup

[drifting quest]

p0 slab can also win out

depends on team and gear

as always

double mask is the go to for rots that need the uge anyway

[smoky quarry]

Unrelated

Amp goes into different bracket from damage?

[drifting quest]

and then it's also there for bk gloves or mi sec gloves

damage what

damage dealt is one bracket
damage taken is another
amp is a third

[summer flicker]

but when slab, you want to keep the set so bk gloves maygidrool

[drifting quest]

naturally

[smoky quarry]

That's what I wanted to hear, thanks

[drifting quest]

there's a setless TT build but it's naturally worse

p5 whale shit

[smoky quarry]

I just though that antal is better for overworld if you ultbot him, cause nothing in ow lives long enough for damage taken to kick in

[shrewd saffron]

👀 hook me up

[smoky quarry]

but +20% total heat damage is handy to kill things faster

[drifting quest]

its the usual double slab end the fight in 10s thing

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

but you can just as easily do 3p bk atp

[summer flicker]

tagntang bs is now more damage for world farming than yvonne

briuh

😭

[valid zealot]

Yvon was never meant for world farm anyways.

[summer flicker]

crazy how i dont even need gilb

kekw

[drifting quest]

tt main dps

[summer flicker]

everything dies withing 2 tt skill

[summer flicker]

i mean for overworld farming

2 tt skill

everything dies

[drifting quest]

even more so

[summer flicker]

maybe

1

i never get to use gil skill

[real mist]

tt main dps better than laev at aoe?

[drifting quest]

it depends

[real mist]

for overworld

[shrewd saffron]

its super chill to use soupsoup in OW content, and especially in etchspace compared to yvonne

[drifting quest]

tt doesnt need as much setup to clear aoe

less to no downtime

but lower aoe range

[real mist]

so for overworld you'd want gilberta anyways right?

[potent hornet]

don't even need her lol

[shrewd saffron]

with slab you are going for 6 bs 4 c to get ult? i dont see any ult gain on the gear pieces

[real mist]

I said you'd want, not that you need her. Cause she seems to solve tangtang's smaller aoe

[shrewd saffron]

i mean most bosses will die prior to that anyway

[summer flicker]

yes 6cs 4skill

[potent hornet]

Her aoe moves to the nearest target

[summer flicker]

the cursed af rotation
8 battle skill
6 combo tangtang
2 xaihi ult
wth

[smoky quarry]

I have enough pulls to gamble for 50/50 tangtang

[drifting quest]

xaihi is kinda

overrated here tbh

[real mist]

so you want to group them in the nearest target?

[summer flicker]

there like no one better than her

[shrewd saffron]

we expecting to get the biggest spunge ever with rossie patch? to deal this kinda of damage in a combo? whats the total damage in that Rot?

[summer flicker]

for her role right now
amper

[drifting quest]

thats the issue i was about to say

[summer flicker]

there no one that can give better amp than her

[drifting quest]

she's kinda not amazing for tt stuff but akekuri ardelia have problems of their own

or rather

tt perlica

i should say

if you disregard perlica damage xaihi's good

[smoky quarry]

Did I missed anything?

[summer flicker]

i mean my rot kinda have perlica damage in that too

[shrewd saffron]

ohh main dps soup mb

[summer flicker]

perlica using stanza, so her damage is not that impresive

[real mist]

for overworld perlica would be better than xiahi right? she seems easier to trigger

[drifting quest]

yeah im looking at throwing stanza on gilb

probably

[summer flicker]

yes

[drifting quest]

obliv perlica

and atp xaihi falls off mroe

[summer flicker]

but

you want gilb sig

because you can scale corrosion on gilb

[potent hornet]

i litterally don't need to press anything else other than TangTang Battle skill in overworld

[summer flicker]

in tangtang team because no one ues those cyro stack

[drifting quest]

whats gilb sig have to do with 4corro stuff

[summer flicker]

gilb sig give ult eff

you can go ai stacking in gear

[drifting quest]

id have to double check the math but like

worst case i just stanza ard anyway

but there was a cool looking line with uge gear gilb

maybe it just gets scrapped

[summer flicker]

iirc, 5% or sth worse

in early maygi math

[drifting quest]

was that buff slave perlica though

or dps perlica

[summer flicker]

let me recheck

[drifting quest]

im having to do it all myself calc wise because none of these other calcs were dps perl that ive seen

they were all stanza AI max

[summer flicker]

perl stanza
gilb det

[drifting quest]

yeah buff slave perl

skews a bit trying to get dps value out of perl too as youd expect

but i havent got around to proper calcs for it yet

[bronze plume]

hello

[valid zealot]

goodbye

[shrewd saffron]

so like this? how do you like her as maindps compared to yvonne? and have you critfished for a big ult yet?

[summer flicker]

yes, i like her very much, much faster for farming than yvonne
i havent critfish for a big ult because tt dmg is overtime so no point crit fishing

still i dont have enough resource to build her dps right now

i need to max artificed gear

need to level gilb sig up too since i just recently pull for gilb sig

and max artifice 2 art intensity set of gear for tt and gilb

ye those would easily take over a month

[shrewd saffron]

yeah, glad we got more wuling stock bills, hopefully it will speed up articing a bit

[summer flicker]

you hard capped at 80/week

[shrewd saffron]

what weapons do you run on xaihi and perlica?

[vestal sinew]

does anyone know if the owner of the pinned guide has already updated this section of the guide?

[bronze plume]

i dont think Iana has updated phys yet

[odd wren]

He did

[bronze plume]

damn

[odd wren]

If you check the endmin part

He updated it already

Not sure if that counts for everything

[bronze plume]

i thought dapan got new shit

[odd wren]

In the phys tab

[odd wren]

The gloves is new ig

Also pog gears is updated

[vestal sinew]

the da pan stuff is the same along with pog

[vestal sinew]

at least in this specific section

[bronze plume]

god i love spending 1m stock bills for 4 int

[odd wren]

But yeah i think its already updated since memory is there on chen

Nothing to change anyway for phys

[bronze plume]

just

[vestal sinew]

so that team got nothing new or different that would be better?

[bronze plume]

@twilit quail

yo is the phys sheet updated

ez

[vestal sinew]

tyy

[odd wren]

Well for endmin nothing new on the team comp

[bronze plume]

stop having a life and help the people murder things 10 seconds faster

[odd wren]

For dapan iirc still using 3 set aether is bis

Right now im just fully artificing my chen stuff and essence lol

[bronze plume]

im waiting to cope for rossi

[twilit quail]

endmin no changes and pog that needs ult gain is no changes either

da pan is like

ok so with da pan

Im gonna be honest

I just didnt do the maths myself for several days waiting for someone else to do it for me

[bronze plume]

why in the fuck does yo name have a @ symbol in it

bros expecting the pings

[twilit quail]

the napkin maths says that the new gear should be better in a lot of situations but I cba to sit down

and do it sometimes

and no one has done it for me yet

[bronze plume]

so the awnser is

everything is updated minus dapan

who will probably change

[twilit quail]

technically there is like

a new chen set that is somewhat a sidegrade

I have the maths done but I cant figure out

how to make it look nice on the sheet

[odd wren]

Hmmm

[twilit quail]

and so I put that off as well

[odd wren]

Which set?

Yinlung?

[bronze plume]

are you literally the only one doing work on the sheet

[twilit quail]

yea

[odd wren]

[twilit quail]

lol

what

[bronze plume]

why do you

hate yoself

[twilit quail]

did you think I had like a group of henchmen

[odd wren]

I thought mi will be the new set lol

[twilit quail]

doing it for me?

[bronze plume]

i woulda thought you would have people helping make it look

[gaunt mason]

[bronze plume]

presentable

like you nerf math it

[twilit quail]

no i just dont trust anyone else(who speaks english and is willing to do it)

[bronze plume]

then people make sheet bam

[twilit quail]

lol

[bronze plume]

true i hate english speaking people

[odd wren]

I went for yinlung kit sw flint sw chest sw gloves

With 107% ult damage, yinlung kit not fully artificed on ult

[vestal sinew]

when you say new gear,which pieces do you mean specifically?

[odd wren]

[bronze plume]

youre going to be asked about what new gear youre talking about for the next 2 hours

have fun

[odd wren]

You think i should etch the crit chance on memory?

Or its the least prio

I have maxed agi on it but left the crit for now and went for maxing valiant etch almost maxed on 1st and 2nd

[twilit quail]

it's like uhh

[odd wren]

Iirc its 5/5/3 now

[twilit quail]

for da pan

yinglung/aethertech chest

3x swordmancer

with the new AI kit

[gaunt mason]

not a priority

[twilit quail]

it looks very good

[odd wren]

Ohh the beacon

With str and ai

[twilit quail]

and there is also the new swordmancer chest

with ult gain

the beacons

and new hot work gloves

those are the two we are looking at currently

[bronze plume]

whos we

[twilit quail]

me and the qq group I use

[bronze plume]

wtf is qq

[twilit quail]

chinese social media

[proud vector]

Chinese messaging app

Mainland discord? Mainland discord.

[vestal sinew]

damn so swordmance is the new bis for him?

[twilit quail]

the problem with da pan is that there is like

there is still no low ult gain rotation

that is good for him

and it's so bad

he is just eating shit

[bronze plume]

dont pandas eat uhh

wtf is it

bamboo not shit

[vestal sinew]

as in everyone wants a lot of ult gain?

[bronze plume]

i scared myself

bamBOO

haha

[twilit quail]

so

[bronze plume]

dont ignore my joke bruh

[twilit quail]

he can easily do 8 stacks of crush in one breach

but he cant reach 12

and the highest total damage and dps cycle currently

just has you doing skills

when the enemy is already overflowing on vuln stacks

for the express purpose of gaining ult

it's really bad

and the situation isnt going to change until the physical team roster does as well

[vestal sinew]

i see and that issue happens bcs of his combo skill having like 45 seconds cooldown right?

[twilit quail]

no

we just dont have enough stack application

lol

he can get to 10 stacks and extreme cases 11

but not 12

[vestal sinew]

oh i see,so mono physical is bound to change one day,who would you say would be the most replaceable unit there? or most likelly to be replaced?

[odd wren]

Isnt this a good option for chen as well?

Or its better to have dmg% on kit?

[twilit quail]

I mean it's

it's fine I guess but there's no reason to not take ult gain chest on current patch

outside of speedrunning

[gaunt mason]

another yinglung ult dmg kit + yinglung agi str chest

[odd wren]

So yinlung better huh

[gaunt mason]

could switch to redeemer gloves but it's like 0.5% better than what you already have and it's already artificed

[twilit quail]

sometimes

[gaunt mason]

should be with glorious

[twilit quail]

losing the stagger actually fucks everything

but like

[odd wren]

Hmm then lifeng should go swordmancer then?

[twilit quail]

in a world where they are just adding stagger immune stuff

it's probably fine

[vestal sinew]

i kinda wanna full artifice my da pan but im scared his pieces will change like next patch again

[odd wren]

Or xiranite still bis

[gaunt mason]

what pot is your lifeng

[odd wren]

P1

[twilit quail]

because 3x artificed chest cannot give da pan enough ult gain for the current rotation

[gaunt mason]

rip

[twilit quail]

he's like 2 energy off

he just gets cancer

[odd wren]

Yeah my lifeng atm

[twilit quail]

the ult gain mechanics in this game are

they make a lot of things very difficult

[proud vector]

That’s just unfortunate af

[twilit quail]

he cant get it with the swordmancer chest alone so he has to take another piece(gets cancer and overflows)

if he takes ult gain gloves

[odd wren]

Haha pog wont let me get away all my 50/50 lost are pog xd

[twilit quail]

he cant use proper 3 set

gets cancer

it's just so bad

so he has to eat shit and lose stats

[proud vector]

So Gilberta style ult recharge source needed?

[gaunt mason]

[twilit quail]

or play with 0 ult gain(cancer)

[vestal sinew]

poor da pan...

my main...

[twilit quail]

he has to run like

old swordmancer chest(losing secondary and main stat)

lynx glove

2x new swordmancer kit

[proud vector]

what da heeell

[twilit quail]

it's not dogshit

because old sm chest has intensity

but it feels bad

[odd wren]

[twilit quail]

it's still better than last patch

to be sure

panda is a better swordmancer user than endmin by far

[gaunt mason]

p5 soon

[twilit quail]

like tbh da pan just has way better mechanics in general

[odd wren]

No love for endmin 🙁 hg whyyy

[odd wren]

Lmao

[vestal sinew]

so let me see if i got this right

[twilit quail]

endmin has 6* numbers

[proud vector]

Grand vision is love for endmin that’s about it

[odd wren]

I wonder if endmin will get more love on her potentials

[proud vector]

Probably, Endmin potentials go pretty hard

[vestal sinew]

so da pans new bis set is this but the kit is x2 right?

[odd wren]

Cant wait for that day, im really ready

[proud vector]

The datamine has ||a data tag not used much, combo skill cooldown reduction? No idea how it’s used but that’s in the cards potentially as something endmin potential can do||

[twilit quail]

use this

[lime nacelle]

Show skill screen.

[odd wren]

[vestal sinew]

ohhhh i see,arts intensity is that strong huh?

[proud vector]

So Endmin themselves didn’t get much new right

[odd wren]

Its a min maxed endmin so

[twilit quail]

we used to be running the aethertech disc

[lime nacelle]

SKILLS. Those are stats.

[twilit quail]

with only 21 str base

just cause it had intensity

so yeah

now we have pure STR with intensity

[odd wren]

Just check below stats

[twilit quail]

not running it would be stupid

[proud vector]

You either go the same old swordmancer or what was the other one, the set with 8% atk

[lime nacelle]

OH right.

[proud vector]

Right

[odd wren]

All maxed out

[lime nacelle]

OK yeah you're ready.

Time to wait.

[odd wren]

Wait should i run those with endmin?

[twilit quail]

no lol

[odd wren]

Ahh lol

I tried it tho way weaker than flints

Guess dapan can use em

[vestal sinew]

so besides da pan getting a diff build,did pog,lifeng and chen get anything new in this team?

[glass birch]

Buff pengmin

🐧

[twilit quail]

chen look at the top of the page

I couldnt find somewhere else

lifeng has a new chest he can use sometimes but that's it

nothing changes for pog when he needs any ult gain(he always needs at least some ult gain)

and swordmancer pog is still not good

[vestal sinew]

wouldnt pog want to run 3p hot work now with the new pieces even when he needs ult gain?

[twilit quail]

he does

but he cant use it with da pan he needs more ult gain

look at the endmin section

[vestal sinew]

oh i see

[twilit quail]

da pan runs on a shorter rotation

with only 2 combo skill for each char

so everyone has less energy coming in

[vestal sinew]

that makes sense

[twilit quail]

if everyone had 70 cost ult like chen we would be gaming but that's not the world we live in

[vestal sinew]

who do you think is most likelly to be replaced in mono physical? just curious

[twilit quail]

I think the obvious option is endmin/da pan slot both of them are jobbers compared to other teams' outputs

The second one to go is I think actually lifeng

[vestal sinew]

jobbers as in they dont do good damage?

[twilit quail]

but, you know, my speculation on this means nothing

yeah ok so

da pan is unfortunately a 5*

missing base atk missing multipliers it is what it is

endmin is generally carried by their weapon's big numbers

one thing you might notice is that a lot of their damage comes from intensity

more for da pan of course but still considerable for endmin

the reliance on intensity is also a part of it that makes them more replaceable

lifeng second is because I think they will just release a proper support

but again, meaningless speculation

[vestal sinew]

hmmm i see

im never replacing da pan cause i love him so hopefully new supports come out that make him better with time

[twilit quail]

very possible that he can hit 3 crushes inside 1 breach in future

[vestal sinew]

yiiipeee,is rossi looking like a good teammate for him at all or not rly? i know we dont have numbers but we know her kit

[twilit quail]

rossi isnt like a generic "goes into slot" unit in any sense

it's either a team with rossi or it's not

she has a lot of conditionals

but, hey

maybe the numbers are just skewed so comically

that she can fit right in and be better than our previous options

weirder things have happened in this game's development history

[vestal sinew]

so there is a chance she might be an upgrade for pan

[twilit quail]

you could certainly use da pan in her team

for sure

it looks decent honestly

[vestal sinew]

now the question is would it be better than mono physical or not really

[twilit quail]

depends on how jacked they make rossi

because of all the things she needs her teammates to do she better do a lot of the work

[bronze plume]

how many different physical and heat type stuff does she actually interact with

she does heat infliction, she does vuln, combustion on enemy increases her dmg

[dry kindle]

Endmin p5 will save us

[twilit quail]

rossi is so fucking funny though this unit

[bronze plume]

either going to be the next best thing

or

who tf is this

[valid zealot]

Isn't the intention that she goes with Gilby.

[twilit quail]

oh yes almost certainly

two more patches of gil aftersale incoming

[compact bridge]

Wulf alter will give force combustion, heat infliction, and crush

[stone thunder]

Is putting one slab on Yvonne a good idea

haven't really done the math

[dry kindle]

When we getting an actual corro support that lasts till eos because corro

[tepid sable]

will rossi be bis in laevatain team?

[frozen tide]

Probably not would be my guess

Rly don't see how they would work together

I mean they both do like gilb

[compact bridge]

Rossi want to consume heat, laeva also want to comsume heat, no one is generating heat

[limpid rock]

Rossi only applies Heat Inflict on Ult, so it will depend on how fast she can cycle Ult

[chilly bolt]

Yes

Slab+crit does more dmg than double crit

[flat glen]

now that tangtang has been out for a while
any conclusion on if Yvonne or LR benefited mroe from er?

[quartz horizon]

a lot.
buffs the team, high damage ceiling, cryo inflictions

i'd say yvonne is better with tt than lr but still improved both

[flat glen]

tangtang's own damage is actually really decent right?

and more or less solved yvonne or last rite's aoe issue

[quartz horizon]

so good she can easily be main dps

[quartz horizon]

basically yeah

[flat glen]

i don't imagine anything that's not a boss can survive
gilberta skill>yvonne skill>gilberta combo>yvonne combo>xaihi combo>tangtang combo>tang tang skill?

[quartz horizon]

still not close to laev but yeah

[quartz horizon]

xaihi pre bs>tt bs>yvonne bs>xaihi ult>tt combo>yvonne fs>gilb combo>yvonne combo>tt ult (yvonne dive)>yvonne ult>gilb ult

i dont own yvonne so i cant guarantee if its the best

[main nova]

laev a good funneling team, there is no way they apply same mechanic to yvonne afterall

[shrewd saffron]

think you want the dive during gib ult, the damage from her whirlpools + dive is bigger than the shoots you lose from yvonne? maybe dive as you cast gilb ult?

[flat glen]

it's not super important to get the 10% arts sus right? just the 5% is fine?

rotational getting 2 combo before bs/ult seems ehhh, especialy since it dumpster the sig's uptime

[main nova]

we still missing the electric and physical dps one. So im waiting for Mifu/Fangyi banner

[flat glen]

i hope avyweena can still work as subdps on 1.2 electric team

[lyric latch]

Is there any animation cancels worth while doing with Tangtang?

[flat glen]

in theory it should as avyweena doesn't consume any resources and just hang around to combo and eventual bs to eat the spears

[smoky quarry]

Perlica has higher damage share on team than avywenna if built like sub-dps

At this point just build her as main-dps

[stone thunder]

ooo okay thanks

[pallid moth]

so i noticed something weird with yvonne and wondered if anyone had any idea about it. I took all her gear off except her weapon which should mean after obtaining max stacks in ult she would have 55 percent crit rate total yet she still hits every crit in ult after 10 shots. trying a different weapon that gives no crit resulted in her missing most the crits instead.

[proud vector]

Repeat your test like 10 more times

See if it’s still wacky and crits more than it should

Because while winning like 10-20 coin flips in a row is rare, it’s hardly impossible

[smoky quarry]

Is there any chance that laeva will get better heat applicators?

Wulfgard and akekuri kind of feel awkward

[proud vector]

P5 Wulf is a damn good one tbh

[dry kindle]

We need a vanguard if anything

[proud vector]

2 inflictions for free on like a 20 second cycle, hell it’s even AoE

[dry kindle]

Inb4 they still don't replace akekuri flares

[proud vector]

If you give another vanguard you might just make it double vanguard lol

[smoky quarry]

One small issue, battle-skill anti-synergy

[proud vector]

+200 effective SP is a hell of a drug

Also why Akekuri is there

Like compare this to how efficiently electo or nature gets stacked…..

[valid palm]

That's why you use Ake's

[proud vector]

(Which is to say, not at all, -100sp per infliction bozo)

[smoky quarry]

Kind of dumb that you need another heat applier to cover up caster

[valid palm]

Not when you're running Ake for the SP anyway

[proud vector]

Hell even cyro doesn’t have it that good

[pallid moth]

i have now a few times, might test it again tomorrow but it is very strange

[proud vector]

It might be a display thing

Crits get bundled sometimes when displayed? But not sure personally

See : LR combo skill crits, probably can search up discussion on this one

[dry kindle]

Flares

[valid palm]

Also Wulf's skill isn't even unusable, you just have to time it right

[dry kindle]

And thermite

[valid palm]

Akeless teams with Wulf exist

It's like running Ardelia on physical teams when you don't have The Physical Team ™

[twilit quail]

wulfgard solo gives all stacks she needs

with 2c2s ult

[valid palm]

Yeah it's technically "antisynergy" but it's solved by just slightly changing your order of operations

[twilit quail]

other teams dream of having applier this good

[proud vector]

^

[rare zodiac]

wulf infliction is goat

[twilit quail]

it doesnt matter that he does no dmg and cant apply any buff

because he solo handles literally all of the application

[dry kindle]

If only he was an arts unit user

[twilit quail]

your two other units can do literally whatever the fuck they want

[dry kindle]

😔

[twilit quail]

gun stanza would be the best weapon in the current game state

not stanza

[proud vector]

The arts burst gun is a self buff huh? If it was a deto unit it would be so good

[twilit quail]

fucking

det unit

ok well gun stanza would still be pretty good

[proud vector]

Gun w/ - proper support would go hard

[twilit quail]

even if the gun det unit had only half the effect of the arts unit one

[smoky quarry]

at least one team buff gun that is not limited signature

[twilit quail]

it would be insane

[rare zodiac]

a gun with buff for ally is good enough, what ever form it take

[tight haven]

clan larps as a decent support gun

[valid palm]

Given how many gun users they've put in supportive roles I'm surprised that there's no supportive guns besides Tangtang's sig

[tight haven]

needing to use sp on wulf for its debuff sucks so bad

[smoky quarry]

can't scam 16k tokens out of non-limited gun you know

[dry kindle]

Dont worry that bird woman I forgot the name of will have a gun det unit

Trust

[valid palm]

and even then Tangtang's requires susceptibility application specifically

[smoky quarry]

Are you sure? There's no info on lizhiyana

[valid palm]

can't scam 16k tokens even out of the limited gun because they made it tangtang only lmao

[smoky quarry]

her signature is built to be irreplaceable btw 💔

just like khrav

[valid palm]

Does Hypergriff not know how much money they would have made out of Wulf/Fluorite players by making Tangtang's sig easier to use

[rare zodiac]

for me the main thing about clan is that lack Efficiency

[pallid moth]

yeah actually it might just display everything as a crit in the combo if your hitting over half of them

[tight haven]

lol

speaking of

[smoky quarry]

Fluorite just needs a 6 star alter at this point, she's cooked

[twilit quail]

the only line that matters on obj for wulf is ult gain

[smoky quarry]

[tight haven]

the new redeemer chest gives wulf EXACTLY enough ult gen to 1 cycle ult now

with gilb p3

[twilit quail]

so if clan had ult gain L

[tight haven]

which is hilarious

[smoky quarry]

it's slightly more than tide surge or smth?

[twilit quail]

it would be top 3 weapon in game

[tight haven]

with tide surge he was, and get this, 0.5% off

[valid palm]

I don't even believe this tbh because her main issue is no fucking gear and no fucking weapons

[tight haven]

redeemer chest gives 0.7% more

[proud vector]

requires gilb??

[tight haven]

its unironically only possible with gilb p3

[valid palm]

We can't even see how good or bad fluorite is because her only builds are buffing her 0 self damage

[glacial jackal]

is tangtang must for lr teams ?

[twilit quail]

more gil aftersale!

[smoky quarry]

Man, idk, her kit is extremely bland

[proud vector]

Oh god p3 lmfao

[smoky quarry]

I don't see any potential here

[proud vector]

It’s bland but once you get into timeline sauce you quickly find that free fckin anything is extremely nice

[twilit quail]

actually

does the new chest get

[proud vector]

And SP is like diamonds

[twilit quail]

xira gloves slab seal

over the line

for p4+ lae

it might get owned by rounding again

[pallid moth]

or shes shooting so fast that they do just get bundled, yeah thats probably it

[twilit quail]

hold on

[dry kindle]

Probably not just to spite you

[valid palm]

If she could have a good combo cooldown reduction gear, her affliction could rival wulf's but for both nature and cryo teams.

[dry kindle]

Inb4 0.4 energy short

[valid palm]

Having adaptable application for two different elements and two stacks of it SP-less is huge

[smoky quarry]

if and when but never is

-cd gear will be pretty strong

[valid palm]

It's just her combo is a 40 second cooldown and she doesn't have any good gear or weapons to use that would help lower the cooldown, give team buffs, or anything

[smoky quarry]

Devs didn't added anything that reduces cd yet

[dry kindle]

Frontiers

[valid palm]

Me when I lie

[proud vector]

Fluorite fits into a 2 infliction per 30 second rotation

[smoky quarry]

damn, forgot this one

[proud vector]

But currently this is not good for LR

LR wants Xaihi stuff

[rare zodiac]

if there exist good combo cd reduction wulf would just be more crack than he even is right now before flue get notice

[valid palm]

Yeah, because Frontiers is only 15% and Fluorite can't use any other part of the set

[twilit quail]

oh it's enough

LMAO

[proud vector]

:0

[twilit quail]

ok well time to artifice

my 4th slab

[valid palm]

right, but Wulf is limited to fire teams

[twilit quail]

:D

[proud vector]

Is he?

[rare zodiac]

have you factor in sp return from p1?

[proud vector]

Ok he is but in theory his inflictions don’t have to be

[smoky quarry]

I hope in future we'll be able to build something like

Laeva - Lycia - Wulf - Flex

[valid palm]

that and Rossi lol

[smoky quarry]

Would be fire fr 🔥

[valid palm]

Unless you wanna cook like

[tight haven]

whats this breakpoint

[valid palm]

Wulf Solidification

which sounds ass

[tight haven]

its not 1 cycle ult is it

how many skills is that

[twilit quail]

we need 76.5

for 1 cycle

redeemer chest

gets us over

[tight haven]

oh

[twilit quail]

and lets us run 1 slab

[proud vector]

P4 right

[twilit quail]

and this is like a sizable performance increase

[tight haven]

bruh

bruh

xira gloves

lmfao

[valid palm]

also is it just me or is it weird that Nature as a team just straight up does not exist

[tight haven]

not just you

[valid palm]

That's definitely just them waiting to shill the hell out of Wuling Mommy right?

[tight haven]

god knows why hg decided to make nature nearly nonexistent

[proud vector]

Nature has no striker

[glass birch]

Wait... Wait... That... That'd actually work LOL

Name the team IcyHot

[valid palm]

😭

[proud vector]

unironically

Rossi could theoretically fit that in huh

[glass birch]

Rossi-Pog-Wulf-Estella

[valid palm]

Rossi/Wulf/Estella 🔥

[glass birch]

That way you get breach

[proud vector]

Rossi Endmin Wulf Estella

[glass birch]

for shatter

[proud vector]

But no the SP drain is huuuuge

[glass birch]

Thats what Pog's for

Breach + SP generation

[twilit quail]

wulf already has a lot of unwell main dps team

like perma 4 corrosion wulf

[proud vector]

‘Unwell’

Lmaooooo

[valid palm]

wait

how are you chuckleheads planning to convert fire to vuln AND use it for solidification