theorycrafting

[honest hill]

if u want a good dps w a lot of hp run last rite

[sturdy hill]

i mean like

i was thinking

on how to get to 26k+ hp threshold

[honest hill]

rossi being really really good is unlikely I think

[honest hill]

ember?

stack strength

hp wep

[sturdy hill]

yes

[daring dove]

True there seems to be a bias towards making the opening character of given patch better in my experience.

[honest hill]

yea

[honest hill]

damn

[proud vector]

Rossi has good odds to be good imo

Well, at the very least she is difficult to replace

[terse valley]

what's the idea here

[proud vector]

Rossi is Rossi

[sturdy hill]

hpmaxxing

[drifting quest]

rossi depends entirely on her numbers and sig effect

[proud vector]

25k HP

[terse valley]

[proud vector]

What a chad

[chilly bolt]

ember dps

[terse valley]

that's not even ember dps icant

[daring dove]

I wonder if we'll constantly get two new 6*'s every update. Or if we'll sometimes start getting 1 new character as we start to get reruns.

[timber harness]

Yes, but endmin has buffing capabilities, and them not being hyperbuffed means they just drop to subdps role. Id assume rossi will have main carry capabilities to make this team work

[sturdy hill]

normal enemies barely scratching her main hp

[timber harness]

Like hell, they showcased it as an example. Are the devs really that daft to shaft rossi's numbers on the obvious path they paved

Don't answer that. We know.

[odd wren]

Give me anothrr dedicated endmin buffer pls

[honest hill]

@sturdy hill how much dmg u do w ember

[sturdy hill]

decent

idk

[daring dove]

This is how you build Endmin properly.

[odd wren]

[timber harness]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-namek-mad-angry-kakarot-gif-4697742235674074957

[odd wren]

Then she gets op potenti 3-5

[terse valley]

i never understood this gif why does his front light up when the lightning struck behind

[timber harness]

I can see it. The potentials they already gave her are quite nifty

[terse valley]

shouldn't it be the other way around

[timber harness]

It's just visual dramatization. Youre bringing logic to an anime with a flying roided up monkey alien with blonde glowing hair

[honest hill]

is thunderberge better than exemplar or sundering prince for her

[sturdy hill]

sundering is for like dps

[terse valley]

the guy is HPmaxxing

[sturdy hill]

thunder or finery works

[honest hill]

oh

[terse valley]

u may wanna ask someone else

[sturdy hill]

they both share +hp and +str

[daring dove]

I do hope they don't follow Genshin's example of making the main character useless.

[honest hill]

maybe P5P5 ember is like 30-35k hp

[honest hill]

[timber harness]

Wdym? The mc is already being used in a meta team. This mc so far is 5000x more performative than aero genshin mc lol

[drifting quest]

endmin might not be the meta anymore

[daring dove]

We're literally at the beginning of the game, mc for Genshin wasn't that bad at the beginning either.

[honest hill]

I mean this is pretty early on MC doing fine but may fall off and be replaced by a 6* phys dps

[drifting quest]

dapan stocks are back

but will remain viable

[rare zodiac]

GI mc is the weakest of all mc in every gacha game i ever play

they are borderline useless

[timber harness]

This is full on larp because i was present for genshin launch. You were not using aero mc with the very first banner being venti. JEAN as a hypercarry made more sense.

Endmin has a actual logical and functional team you dont have to cope or justify in the way you did to work. It just does.

Aero mc was replaced the moment the servers went live

[terse valley]

because everyone had jean and/or venti during genshin 1.0

[sturdy hill]

*p2

[timber harness]

An actual good mc on launch from a hoyo game is stelle with preservation, but physical destruction was garbage.

[sturdy hill]

maybe not 30k

the rest afterwards r just skills and traits

[smoky quarry]

p5 ember is the real curse huh

[rare zodiac]

1.0 with Bennett Xingqiu Fischl Xiangling and you think Aether/Lumine have a chance?

[daring dove]

Dude, you don't need to tell me about Genshin launch. Point is their power was closer to meta then than it is now. Where they're in a bottomless abyss. What I'm trying to say is obvious Endmin will need to recieve buffs over time to keep up with characters getting stronger.

[timber harness]

Thats the other thing. But comparatively to so many teams even in their own element your first second third and fourth option wouldnt be the mc lol

[sturdy hill]

p2 ember is probably the last key

[timber harness]

Their power was never close to meta, but cheers

[sturdy hill]

giving 100hp

[timber harness]

I get what youre trying to say but the comparison is bollocks

And there are better comparisons

[smoky quarry]

He will receive buffs, it's called potential

[daring dove]

Closer to meta than the are now that's 100% accurate from a pure mathematics standpoint.

Alot closer.

[timber harness]

And from a literal standpoint "a lot closer" is they went from the sub sub sub category as a potential option to unusable.

This is like saying snowshine in her current state is "much closer to meta from a mathematical standpoint" than endfield in 4 years.

Like what are we even talking about

Strange hill to die on.

[daring dove]

Ok so what I have been saying the entire time is hopefully this games protagonist doesn't get weaker & weaker over time.

You're the one hyper stuck on the specifies which you're still wrong about not me.

[drifting quest]

physmc was actually decent in 1.0

fwiw

[timber harness]

They were

[smoky quarry]

I was confused by physmin for a moment

[timber harness]

Stelle had options thats fair to say

Luckily despite the massive powercreep they even do now

[smoky quarry]

There's a possibility we'll get different elements in the story

If we reuse genshin features, let's just copy everything

[timber harness]

If im hyper stuck on it, why are you defending it so hard?

If its so objective, why havent you started making any sense yet?

[odd wren]

[timber harness]

I ask these questions, then remember what your current fav character is. Then i wonder "does he justify off meta in every game he plays?"

[smoky quarry]

everyone will get weaker over time if new team can't handle power creep

[timber harness]

Might be a lisara situation

[smoky quarry]

usually they can't

[timber harness]

So i let it be

[odd wren]

Im gonna do, what the keqing main guy did in genshin

Play endmin til the end xd

[terse valley]

a what

[timber harness]

Youtuber that fights everyone online for off meta takes in every gacha they play

[terse valley]

huh? 😭

[timber harness]

Makes a drama out of "x meta unit is actually so broken and theory crafters are stupid"

[summer flower]

If it's arguing with prydwen they might be correct each time

[timber harness]

Like theyd make a video right now saying snowshine is actually so broken look they can trimming this boss

As if everyone cant trimming the fucking boss lol

[fresh trench]

I AM GONNA REGRET THIS HARD

[summer flower]

Healing

[drifting quest]

@bronze plume

[summer flower]

Some time in future you'll have stage somewhere where you going to be glad

[terse valley]

ok but how is that picking a fight against everyone online

[chilly bolt]

mr dolly is gonna hit hard

[summer flower]

Like man, look at those websites with "meta" posted

[timber harness]

You go to their community posts and look at their passive aggressive comments towards people who disagree with them

[summer flower]

It's gonna be roasted most of places

[fresh trench]

i am sad i have no sanity left to upgrade the weapon NO I WONT USE MY FOODS

[daring dove]

The MC's of gacha games usually recieve buffsr over time to help defy power creep to some extent. Even Genshin's MC receives them.

[timber harness]

You can literally observe it for yourself just by going to see for yourself on their channel. It was a literal statement. They fight with everyone online

[smoky quarry]

i ate it

[summer flower]

Using only pots with non infinite shelf life

I know that

[smoky quarry]

imagine if devs just didn't power creeped

[fresh trench]

i also keep this for funny

[summer flower]

Are you rage baited into watching or was that genuine arguments?

[smoky quarry]

they would go broke cause people are not paying 250$ for new chars

[summer flower]

Also snowshine was amazing as far as I took her in questline

[timber harness]

No i watched because i enjoy people min maxing certain characters as its good to see a character underrepresented present genuine merit

But then they take it 7 steps further into a pissing match

So it ruins their own content

[summer flower]

Snowshine is good tho

Who says snowshine is bad?

So far for role it's either snowshine or ember

[timber harness]

Are you about to argue with shuo about how snowshine is meta?

[daring dove]

Dude, you're lliterally full on hate-wagoning me for saying hopefully this game's MC doesn't get weaker over time. Then spreading bs about me. I dunno what to tell you.

[timber harness]

If not, then there is no problem here.

[summer flower]

Dude, like for role of defender with healing

Snowshine best does that last role

[timber harness]

The conversations been over for a minute. Now youre exaggerating

Just drop it atp

[chilly bolt]

did i just saw snowshine and good in the same sentence

[summer flower]

Yes

Best in role

[honest hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461535111223967764/1468145696912838717/GIF_20260203_134514_475.gif

[odd wren]

When are we even getting Endmin potential wtf

[rugged vale]

2.0

[summer flower]

Soon(tm)

[drifting quest]

depends if 2.0 has a new endmin

[odd wren]

[timber harness]

Youre kinda proving my lisara point with arguing a point never made just because i didnt slurp up snowshine

[summer flower]

Between now and heat death of universe

[drifting quest]

they could dripfeed pots of year(s) if we only ever have the one endmin

[honest hill]

snowshine is only good as a defender but not good overall

[summer flower]

Ehh? Best in role so far

[timber harness]

Me saying snowshine is "not meta" and will be worse off in the future is not me saying "snowshine is worthless"

[honest hill]

defenders just suck

[chilly bolt]

dreamy mentioned 🔥

[odd wren]

Sadge im gonna be playing p2 endmin forever?

[drifting quest]

we dont know

[summer flower]

Until you need one for stage

[odd wren]

[honest hill]

P5P5 one day

[timber harness]

That would be the literal worse way to handle an mc

[honest hill]

I mean needing a certain role is just bad

[timber harness]

Those potentials would have to be severely overtuned if they want it to have longevity

[drifting quest]

i mean i doubt it happens but we dont know anything, it could happen

[odd wren]

I just hope we get them on 1.2

[summer flower]

There are ways in which devs can make you unable to outdps stage

[odd wren]

[summer flower]

Like capping damage

[daring dove]

Fair enough but you're the one that made this personal an passive aggresive.

[honest hill]

that's just stupid tho

forcing u to use a defender to clear a stage

[odd wren]

Im even trying to find leeks about it lmao

[terse valley]

that fucking bull that i hate

[odd wren]

But man those leeks are bad af

[drifting quest]

3 of the 4 bosses right now, maybe 4, have dps gates

[odd wren]

[terse valley]

ruan yi is a middle finger boss for physical team

[drifting quest]

how so

[odd wren]

Erm

[rare zodiac]

i don't see any mech that make bull difficult to handle for phys?

[rugged vale]

I guess lifeng BS can wiff if he jumps around ?

but pog is BIS to pickup the green orbs

[drifting quest]

even elec which has x0.8 damage into him clears well

[rare zodiac]

eh, that happens to all skill that not executed at right time

you can't use a long ass skill when he about to go haywire and blame that he dodge it

[chilly bolt]

he got that shield thing

you cant do melee

maybe i have skill issue

[rare zodiac]

wait until you get boss that actually initiated dodge to fuk you like PGR does

[rugged vale]

isnt that shield for every op ?

you just have to wait like 15sec at the start

[chilly bolt]

not only at the start

[timber harness]

If we do then its potentially good news

[chilly bolt]

he occasionally has it up too

[timber harness]

Means we are likely to get more mc elements

[rugged vale]

its just when you fail to 1 cycle p1 right

you can get trim with 2 cycle p1 anyways

[timber harness]

Idk why people are adverse to that anyway. Just because their least fav games do it. It just means mc will exist in and out of meta for a long time

[odd wren]

I just breach and burst once he goes down xd

[oak vigil]

No? You can still attack him with ranged attacks

Like when he roars he gets that shield with aoe pushback, ranged is just right out of that range for it to not be pushbacked

[smoky quarry]

WHAT

[drifting quest]

Ruan Yi has elec and nature res

[rugged vale]

yeah be he takes like 0 dmg ?

idk never did it with ranged

[oak vigil]

Combos setup and also some sp heal from finishing strike

[chilly bolt]

oh so he's the first boss to have arts res?

[rugged vale]

I see

[drifting quest]

no

triagg has what

fire nature phys

res

[chilly bolt]

wtf i never knew

[smoky quarry]

Everything essentially

[drifting quest]

rhodagn marble have no res changes afair

[smoky quarry]

A resist is gonna be -80% damage?

[fossil pendant]

res existing hasn't even registered in my mind because none of it matters and everything falls over regardless of what you play lol

[oak vigil]

Yeah it is possible to trim him with an electrical team even without corrosion (since I am using the electrical team setup without corrosion, I can confirm that lol)

[drifting quest]

x0.8

20%

[smoky quarry]

"A"

as rating

[chilly bolt]

A what

[smoky quarry]

I assume that D is no resist, C is 0.8

[drifting quest]

the letter rankings suck

[oak vigil]

Oh trust me with that 200 seconds limit it’s such pain in the ass

[placid tulip]

for lae should i use the new hot work exoskeleton for more intellect?

[drifting quest]

it's x0.8

[chilly bolt]

0.8 is C

[smoky quarry]

It's not consistent?

[chilly bolt]

it's a range of res value

not the exact value

[smoky quarry]

why do they keep making shitty decisions

[rugged vale]

same as arknights

[chilly bolt]

it's from arknights btw

[smoky quarry]

Zero clarity and accuracy

[smoky quarry]

I like how endfield combines some of the WORST features from genshin and arknights

[placid tulip]

would it still fine to sacriface second attribute for more main attribute?

[smoky quarry]

Like no guarantee carryover

[oak vigil]

I meeean, this is basically like in most rpg games ever it’s shown this way, no?

Via A-F ranking

[smoky quarry]

I don't know, I don't play MMO's

[chilly bolt]

me when the game says patriot res is B

but it's 90 res

[smoky quarry]

cause arpg gachas are made by mmo blueprints, not rpg

[chilly bolt]

[daring dove]

I wish they would drop it with the creative banner bs & just give us a 50/50, also doing 40+ pulls on Yvonne's weapon banner for 2 copies of the weapon doesn't feel good. But outside of that I can't complain too much.

[fossil pendant]

please never play an mmo if you think endfield is bad

[daring dove]

Game has been pretty kind to me.

[oak vigil]

Mmmmmh different genre of games though? Endfield is more of real time strategy RPGs

Like Final Fantasy 7 Remaster iirc

[fossil pendant]

in response to the comment about arpgs being similar to mmos

[oak vigil]

Oh okay, fair

[smoky quarry]

I played in MMO's like 10 years ago. Endfield is definitely not close to RPG games that I play in terms generosity

[daring dove]

There are some incredible aspects to the game though. Like the ray-traced reflections being so on-point.

[chilly bolt]

people care about game genre? i only play because it has arknights in the name

[fossil pendant]

idk I just play because chen is cute

sue me

game's just my side bitch while I put another 12000 hours into ffxiv because I have no respect for myself

[smoky quarry]

the woes of 3050 users

[fossil pendant]

funny you say that

[daring dove]

I'm guessing that's a laptop GPU?

[fossil pendant]

I feel like endfield is the one gacha that doesn't set my pc on fire nowadays

[daring dove]

Seems very hot for a desktop card.

[smoky quarry]

It's one of the most resource-demanding nowadays, is it not?

like character models having double the amount of polygons than usual

[fossil pendant]

the only other I've been playing as of late is wuwa and it runs like shit, but that's my only reference point in the last three years

[proud berry]

Has anyone tested the new gear set on other characters? Like making a Dps build using Type 50 Yinglung on Fluorite since there’s now gear stats that matches what she needs?

[smoky quarry]

Endfield story is more like fanfiction to arknights, cause it has completely different team

that has nothing to do with og ak

[chilly bolt]

so true ngl, feeling im playing entirely different game

but rhode island mentioned in surtr story is funny

[rare zodiac]

it have it referenced here and there, so an og AK player will enjoy it more

[rugged vale]

rhode was mentioned more in beta apparently but a lot of it got cut

[smoky quarry]

I hopped on cause I was interested in ak story, only to find out that it has nothing from og

[fossil pendant]

I ran 3pc yinglung w/ the new pieces on chen earlier and I couldn't tell you if it's actually better but it made my ult damage number go up and that's enough for my addled brain

[smoky quarry]

No drama, no philosophy, no complex worldviews

[rugged vale]

itll tie with ak story in like a year or 2

[rare zodiac]

endfield kinda like a what if side game to og ak

[heady pine]

yeah you trade the stagger for like 20% more dmg than sundering+swordmancer

[smoky quarry]

It's as if J.K. Rowling had officially canonized a Harry Potter fanfic.

that's how I feel it

[fossil pendant]

I still stagger on time to align with my bursts but I also play sundering ember when I'm on my phone to not have to try so

haven't tried with lifeng yet maybe it gets ugly, idk

[proud berry]

What is it you’re testing with Lifeng?

[fossil pendant]

just in terms of how much stagger he generates, if it's enough to comfortably reach gold stagger around the time that I'm in my 2nd or 3rd vuln cycle

even without chen on swordmancer

[daring dove]

Btw am I the only one noticing that characters like Tangtang & Gilberta that specialise in growth related ship bonuses have useless ship passives? Which after a month of playing I have more growth materials that I can possibly use?

[rugged vale]

yes growth chamber is useless

you can ignore it

[daring dove]

Yeah I was coming to the same conclusion.

[smoky quarry]

I do growth chamber cause why not

[tepid urchin]

How important is tang2's sig vs bp compared to like laev? I heard some sig like yvon's arent rlly worth it

[rugged vale]

depending on how many chars you have you need to put chars that dont have growth skills in dijang

[smoky quarry]

tang2 signature is irreplaceable

due to alternatives being dogshit

same as khrav

[rugged vale]

like dapan is better in control room and chen in factory

[fossil pendant]

also real ones spent all their bp boxes on glorious memory already anyways

[smoky quarry]

I want to know the % difference to decide

[daring dove]

Yeah I still use it but do I really need more of this stuff?

[smoky quarry]

I have like 100/100/300/300 of them

[daring dove]

Again though what's the point?

[smoky quarry]

I want to raise a lot of chars

[tepid urchin]

I dont actually have a cryo team rn (lr/yvon), if im not using her as support, just as mdps when im bored with phys is sig still much better than bp? As i understand what bo wep is lacking is in the team support aspect

[fossil pendant]

that's fair, I'm just fairly confident it's equivalent or better and more importantly it doesn't look like a kid's pair of safety scissors

[daring dove]

Ok but by the time you get enough T-creds to raise them all you'll have 900 of everything.

See what I'm saying.

[smoky quarry]

you have infinite t-creds cause of exchange center anyway

https://tenor.com/view/humpback-whale-whale-onthe12thfloor-stan-twitter-gif-3446111347746334272

[drifting quest]

i dont have infinite tcreds

i wish i did

dropped some 800 sanity into tcreds today

[smoky quarry]

Consider applying for a second employment, deposit your monthly payment into endfield

[fossil pendant]

I need a loan from the talos bank bruh

i'm permanently in poverty

[smoky quarry]

when the game will inevitable cease to exist, devs will say you thanks

[daring dove]

Either do I, having P5'ed every charactger so far except Pog I'm still massively T-cred starved.

[rugged vale]

im leveling and investing elite levels into chars just for dijang and I still have ton of tcreds left over

[drifting quest]

im actually looking for proper full time work lmao

most of my 'work' is volunteer positions

[smoky quarry]

Literally can't work cause my phone is shattered

[outer ermine]

i dont wanna work

[smoky quarry]

And even then, I don't consider donating for orig since devs didn't cared enough to add regional prices

My purchasing power is half that of Europeans in dollar terms, but the prices are the same. It's strange.

[drifting quest]

even with gainful employment i have a lot to spend on before i consider spending much more on gacha lol

[daring dove]

I reckon if I kept P5'ing every character (I likely won't) I'd reach the point where I'm not resource limited by about month 4 or 5. For a battle pass & monthly only purchaser I reckon month 12 you'll no longer be resource constrained.

But they could easily add new sanity abysses for us.

[smoky quarry]

Once that happens, they will start adding new 4-5 stars, trust me

They'll release them in bunches

Those are cheap pull-wise, but boy, do they consume as much resources as others

[signal sundial]

wait lmao i wasnt even trying

either that or they didnt count the weird no damage phase into the timing

[smoky quarry]

20% electro resist btw

[rugged vale]

trims arent hard

[signal sundial]

i guess he should be as difficult as rhodagn

for this part of the story

[smoky quarry]

I wish bosses had agony mode

[signal sundial]

idk i felt like i lsot a whole bunch of time chasing the stupid orbs

but if that didnt count into the trim timing then i guess its a free trim

[honest hill]

well for this boss it isn't at all, they can be hard if ur units are not heavily invested

[rugged vale]

I have lv80 team no essence no masteries no artificing and its not hard, cant imagine how much easier it is with these investments

[honest hill]

do it without food buffs

surely it'll be the same

[smoky quarry]

In which cases ginseng stew is better than jakub's bread?

Seems like bread gives much bigger buff

[rugged vale]

Nah probs too hard

[daring dove]

Thing that truly hurt my brain was them nerfing overworld levels down to level 60 a week after launch.

[rugged vale]

Food buff too strong

[rugged vale]

Than ginseng ?

[honest hill]

ik u just trolling saying trim is easy

[smoky quarry]

+22% atk vs flat 160 attack

[honest hill]

bread gives 27% atk right?

[daring dove]

It's like who looked at the current state of the game an said "this game is too hard lets make it easier".

[smoky quarry]

I don't remember and I can't check rn

[rugged vale]

I mean I dont count food buffs as "investment"

[smoky quarry]

It is kind of hard if you don't know how to make teams

[rugged vale]

Takes 0 sanity to grow ginseng

[honest hill]

well obviously

[smoky quarry]

and your strength is very dependant on grindy essenses and artifice

[honest hill]

ppl will say trim is easy when they use ginseng/jakub's legacy

[smoky quarry]

Trim is annoying asf cause I hate time constraints

I want agony

[rugged vale]

Yeah ?

[signal sundial]

i should time myself on the trim again to see if its a fluke

that did not feel like 200s

[lofty frigate]

does anyone have numbers on glorious memory vs sundering yet?

[smoky quarry]

give me challenge, give me oneshots, give me boss bars

Or I retire

[lofty frigate]

for chen

[signal sundial]

considering the time loss at the start and the xiranite phase

[honest hill]

it's hard without food buffs but most ppl won't do that

[signal sundial]

but then again my avywenna is 90/90 pot5 m12 weapon maxed sooooo

[honest hill]

it forces u to build ur units and learn rotations unlike agony mode u can run around for 10m and clear

[signal sundial]

[honest hill]

literally watched someone spam arde heals for 10m

u want trim to just be low effort like umbral

[daring dove]

People have just given ranges of 8-12% dpending on critical luck P5 versus P5 - Memory being stronger.

[smoky quarry]

Time trim is low-effort dps check

[honest hill]

still have to learn rotations and have the right team comps

[smoky quarry]

If people need heals to complete umbral, it's their skill issue

[rugged vale]

Time trim is like 5% harder than umbral

[honest hill]

if u use a food buff it's easy asf

[daring dove]

I'd say it's worth it to P5 Memory if you're a battle pass purchaser just because all other battle pass sigs have been bad so far.

[lofty frigate]

nice upgrade thank you
the real upgrade is the aesthetics imo

[signal sundial]

box cutter ahh weapon

[smoky quarry]

Rossi bp has one upside compared to sundering

It doesn't looks like box cutter

I was sold at this moment

[daring dove]

Exactly, the 5* weapon looks like dogs.

[honest hill]

good thing memory is better

[gaunt mason]

8-12% if you’re still on swordmancer

can switch to the new yinglung pieces

you just lose the stagger for a bit more damage overall

[smoky quarry]

That's it? 5 to 6 star difference should be bigger

[honest hill]

does it depend on the set? I thought she always uses swordmancer

[gaunt mason]

sundering is broken

[fossil pendant]

how many different gacha servers can I run into you in

[gaunt mason]

uh

[honest hill]

[smoky quarry]

It's heavenly restriction

It's fugly because it has too good stats

just like smart kids get nerfed with autism

[fossil pendant]

sundering just has an absurd effect

[honest hill]

atk% is so valuable

sundering gives 42%

and another 14%

[fossil pendant]

that said i'm glad I don't have to use it anymore

chopped ass weapon

[smoky quarry]

I believe any weapon with second-third line attack can be considered top tier, just because of how much power atk% has

[honest hill]

ye the wep looked chopped af

[molten star]

Do we know the rotation of last rite team with tang tang

[smoky quarry]

Sundering steel irl

[daring dove]

To be fair her sig still looks the best on her even if it is pretty mid for a 6* weapon.

[honest hill]

ye the wep has right main stat + phys dmg dealt + 56% attack

too broken

[honest hill]

rapid ascent? why does it have crit i don't get it

[gaunt mason]

it used to be crit damage in beta

then they changed it to cr

[smoky quarry]

Devs should replace second line of RA with attack (L) and it will become top-tier

[honest hill]

crit rate is mid

yeah

[smoky quarry]

Just as it should be

[honest hill]

they fumbled really hard

who even uses rapid except from her

[daring dove]

I think the devs are still diluted enough to think CR is a good stat in their game. When in reality even if the weapon gave 39% CR instead it'd still be strictly worse than 39% ATK.

They just haven't properly balanced their stats.

[smoky quarry]

I like how you can blame everything on a new team and it woudn't be disingenuous

[honest hill]

could they "fix" it w new gear maybe

[smoky quarry]

Cause they are in fact noobies

[daring dove]

Need to start giving weapons CR XXL bonuses.

[honest hill]

lmao

[smoky quarry]

Only for legendary signatures

waiter, waiter, more powercreep, please!!

[honest hill]

if they did make gear to make crit rate weapons to be good as atk% weps that'll be nice

have either option to work with

[smoky quarry]

There's no crit damage. In gachas crit is so powerful cause you can scale crit damage

And people do it like 2,5-3x

[honest hill]

so they can make crit damage gear hmm

[smoky quarry]

with 25-50% chance

[gaunt mason]

please don't turn endfield into another crit game 😭

[smoky quarry]

Can we just remove this ts then

Either make it a viable option or forget about it

[fossil pendant]

big fan of my staggerslop ngl

[gaunt mason]

it's nice that only a couple characters can effectively use crit

[honest hill]

I want the option to pick from crit maxxing and atk% maxxing they should both be equal

[molten star]

What does stagger issues means?

[light hinge]

man... if i already invested into artificing there's no way to "transfer" the levels to a new piece is it?

[smoky quarry]

more like, crit should be more effective on some characters and vice versa

[honest hill]

chen having crit on her sig is just dumb

[smoky quarry]

It woudn't matter if raw atk and crit would be equal on chars

[honest hill]

yeah that as well through gears

[smoky quarry]

Hypercarry sig is less important than tt sig

HG smh

[honest hill]

they could make a Mi Security version for crit damage gears idk

[molten star]

Can y'all tell what does stagger issues mean? Like you can't get to stagger the boss or something?

[honest hill]

tt stagger value is lower

[smoky quarry]

Lowered stagger output

[honest hill]

so take longer to stagger

[smoky quarry]

It's bad cause stagger is a source of increased damage

1.3x base multiplier

[honest hill]

ye

[molten star]

Does p1 lr giving more stagger fixes it lowkey

[honest hill]

idk actually

[smoky quarry]

doubt it

[daring dove]

Honestly if I where the devs I'd just fix the issue now, before it becomes a bigger problem. An just say look we screwed up on the large CR bonus on weapons it shouldn't of been 19.5% it should of been 39%. That means all characters with CR weapons are getting a buff. Perfect time to do it would be on Rossi release.

[honest hill]

how do u think they should buff those characters? through their kits or gears

[molten star]

Also, whys gilberta used instead of ardelia or perlica?

[smoky quarry]

I like how they ignored all character-building feedback on cbt2 and changed nothing

except for nerfing akekuri

[fossil pendant]

bigger amp in a smaller time window

[smoky quarry]

an IQ too high indeed

[honest hill]

sp issues

[honest hill]

ye why they nerf her?

[molten star]

So I should be using lr gilberta tt and xaihi?

[smoky quarry]

If I was HG, I'd either remove crit or rework it entirely in 1.2

[rare zodiac]

ake was too op op i guess

[honest hill]

well yeah I kinda prefer perlica tho

[daring dove]

To be honest even 39% CR is still stricktly worse than 39% ATK on pretty much every character except Yvonne I reckon.

[honest hill]

that's because Yvonne kit likes CR

[smoky quarry]

Imagine if HG adds support that adds guaranteed crits to controlled operator or skills

[honest hill]

removing it would mean removing yv*nne

[smoky quarry]

Would be interesting

[honest hill]

[molten star]

I was using ardelia instead of perlica and it was like 70k increase for combo skill

[smoky quarry]

She's just fine with minor tweak to use raw damage instead

[outer ermine]

nah

[honest hill]

Problem w arde is the sp issues

[smoky quarry]

Problem with arde in my team is that she's doing almost nothing

[honest hill]

ez trim

[smoky quarry]

I don't need her heals and I don't have spare SP for activating susc

[molten star]

Yeah I had to waste fs for sp

[honest hill]

ye

it's bad

perli and gilberta are sp free

tho perli can buff cs and ult

gilberta only ult

[smoky quarry]

Perli is support in some teams cause her electrification basically works like arts susc, right?

[honest hill]

yeah it's seperate

[molten star]

So can I put her on Xuranite

[outer ermine]

oh i just realized how to phase 3

[honest hill]

no u use pulsar

[outer ermine]

pls gib me 65s

[rare zodiac]

nah susc and dmg taken is different bracket

[daring dove]

Xaihi main that's why Tangtang would of avoided the juggling. Mostly because there's nothing to juggle.

[outer ermine]

tt too busy jumping around to be controlled

i love this boss good orb = meteor/rcharge, bad orb = stands still/jump

and he body blocks the last orb from time to time

[daring dove]

How many 3-3 essence matches does everyone else have for their weapons?

I'm upto 19 so far.

[outer ermine]

mostly 663

[drifting quest]

i have 3/3's for the ones that need 3/3 that i use

so what

full laev hyper, full phys, half of tt dps so far

need to calc out dps perl vs buff slave perl

i dont own a deto or chiv either so gotta calc out how that impacts xaihi vs akekuri

and properly test akekuri link mechanics

[buoyant yoke]

I've got 26 for for the majority of weapons i do not own tho no a single 9/9/3 didnt farm enough, just aimed for efficient for multiple weapons per run

[neat snow]

I haven't counted but I think I've got all 6 star weapons essence but maybe 2 or 3.

I switched to farming creds cause I ran out of engrave tickets

I have to stop buying stamina I have too much

[outer ermine]

i still have 27 of those 7day pots

i dont have double tix

[neon knot]

"how much battle skill you want fam"

[daring dove]

I'm still doing 5 sanity refreshes a day rn, mostly to just keep up with the amount of characters I want to build to reasonable levels.

[neat snow]

I'm still doing all 10 although it feels worse not getting xp anymore. That was my dopamine hit. So maybe I'll reduce it

[daring dove]

Honestly mathematically it doesn't make sense to go past the 1,1,2,2,2 stage. The amount it costs for the next 5 refreshes is just absurd. You'll still hit the same point where you have enough resources to max every single character around month 3-4.

Only difference is you'll hit it a few weeks earlier doing the last 5.

But cost yourself about 500-600 worth of pulls in the process.

[neat snow]

Yeah I should reduce down to 4 maybe. That's just 2 dollars a day.

I'd rather have pulls

I'll pull for tangtang tomorrow

[honest hill]

just skip ur meals ye

[neat snow]

If I can get her in 480 I'll do another 480 on standard I think

Oh I'm not worried about money lol

But without the xp it is much less attractive to buy stamina

[daring dove]

Yeah, an you'll also hit burn out where resources become meaningless much sooner.

So overall there's just not a lot of sense to doing it.

[shut cobalt]

how good is it on p0 compared to p5 sundering?
it only says p5

[honest hill]

just fast

[neat snow]

True but maybe I'll 90/90 every op first

I'm 80/80 now

[daring dove]

I'm like 90/90 on 9 operators now.

I reckon it'll be 11 by the time 1.1 is over.

[neat snow]

Only my main team is 90/90. I just don't want to learn anymore teams lol

[daring dove]

So I'm definitely building characters faster than the game can release them.

[neat snow]

I have a ton of resources

[outer ermine]

these 2 pink names smh

[gritty briar]

wtf 10 refreshes?

[neat snow]

But yeah whale shop + stamina refills is just tons of stuff

[bronze plume]

Welcome

[echo cove]

Spending origeometry?

[outer ermine]

i still have like 7k quota for mats to 90, 7 rn

[oak vigil]

I am myself currently 4 characters fully 90 lvl and 2 characters 80 lvl iirc

[gritty briar]

this must be a rich person conversation i'm too poor to understand

i thought the super expensive refreshes at the end only existed to make the first 5 look more appealing

[daring dove]

To be fair, you can get 5 sanity refreshes every single day for a month for about $50. It's hardly big money involved some people spend more than that on a gym membership.

[echo cove]

Must be nice livin in america

[neat snow]

It's $12 a day for all 10 which is about 1/3 the cost of my lunch here in NYC

[gaunt mason]

p0 bp is a bit worse than p5 sundering, it isn't worth getting unless you'll get pots on it

[echo cove]

50$ in sea aside from maybe singapore can cover food for half a month

[daring dove]

Yeah lots of money in that city. Just leaving an working in NYC pretty much defaults you to being able to whale in every gacha game like it's nothing.

[shut cobalt]

its just that i also dont have p5 sundering, but i was wondering since its a 5* weapon its easy to get anyways yk?
(its p0)

anyways, thanks!

[neat snow]

Yeah definitely just moving here more than doubled my salary

[gaunt mason]

would be so nice if food only cost $3 a day in sg lmao

[echo cove]

I mean, if u make it urself, maybe?

Or just eat instant noodle

[outer ermine]

icesoup special

[echo cove]

Soupsoup best meal to stretch budget

[daring dove]

I'm in the UK btw, but wages here are also pretty good.

Not as good as NYC mind.

[echo cove]

Oh, yeah fair

London?

I do reckon brits also got a high gdp

So yeah

[daring dove]

Naw I'm a North West lad (Liverpool) but I have a very nice job.

[edgy crater]

just eat stomach medicine for ur lunch

[daring dove]

Would earn more in London for sure.

[drifting quest]

I wish this were true

[daring dove]

But gota stay close to my family.

[neat snow]

Mushy peas

[echo cove]

[outer ermine]

jmhn cgbv i wasnt recording fuckk

[drifting quest]

Every job is £25k/yr

[gaunt mason]

maybe? i spent around like 30 sgd per day on meals back when i lived there

[echo cove]

Family numba 1, yep

[daring dove]

The lowest salaried person in my building is 29k.

[drifting quest]

Id earn the same money working in like ASDA as I would as a lab tech in a specialised field that requires a phd

[neat snow]

My work starts employees at 100k lol

[echo cove]

[daring dove]

Yeah NYC is big money.

[neat snow]

And they still say it's not enough to live

[echo cove]

Demn, these ppl be flexin on seabros

[fossil pendant]

trust me you don't wanna be here

[drifting quest]

Not a flex when you consider cost of living

[echo cove]

Well i suppose

[drifting quest]

Tax rent food utilities internet fuel etc

All tend to cost a lot

[gaunt mason]

[echo cove]

Yeah, my friend is aus also said the same

[gaunt mason]

my uni halls rent in london is actually insane

[neat snow]

I'm fortunate with my living situation. My boss owns a lot of houses and rents me one for cheap

[bronze plume]

tbf

[fossil pendant]

even if you make enough to live in nyc the other qualitative aspects of stuff here are something for sure

[bronze plume]

living in america as a whole cant be a flex

[daring dove]

Ah yeah I definitely don't. I like it where I live an have zero desire to move abroad. Still pointing out that where I live the average wage is only around 30k (40k in US terms). I reckon the average wage in NYC is closer to 80-90k.

[echo cove]

The the more u earn, the more u r able to save to the point where going on a vacation to sea countries feels like u r a king

[neat snow]

I think average is like 60k everyone just has 8 roommates

[fossil pendant]

most young people that don't work high paying corporate jobs just room with others yeah

but like money aside

don't get me started on the MTA

[echo cove]

What's mta?

[fossil pendant]

our subway system

[echo cove]

Ah

[gaunt mason]

do people piss on the seats there too

[echo cove]

U have a subway system?

[neat snow]

NYC subway is famous

[fossil pendant]

I have an image from two weeks ago of a homeless guy shitting on the floor of a car

so yes

[gaunt mason]

[echo cove]

I was just jokin cos that don't rly exist in sum sea countries

[fossil pendant]

ya we are privileged to have functional public transport at all

but holy shit man

[drifting quest]

I always envy the EUW public transport

Its always so nice when I've been on it

[neat snow]

I've only been here since August but haven't taken public transport my boss won't let me LOL im from a town that doesn't even have buses

[echo cove]

Sounds nice and not at the same time

[gaunt mason]

almost walked into an empty cabin on the tube a couple days ago, the seat closest to the door had a massive wet spot 😭

i miss singapore

[echo cove]

Tbf i do hear there r alot of bum in nyc these days

[fossil pendant]

it's not as bad as cali

but we have our fair share

[echo cove]

Cali worse?

[neat snow]

Yeah Cali weather allows for a ton of homeless

[fossil pendant]

by a lot lmao

[echo cove]

I thought nyc was worst cos of the highest livin cost?

Gah demn

[neat snow]

It's hard being homeless in a place like NYC where the weather will kill you

[echo cove]

Oh... U mean as in home destroyed...

[neat snow]

Well bum means no home here

[echo cove]

Yeah i meant bum as homeless

I forgot natural disaster can do that

[ebon thicket]

How many updates do u all predict it’ll take for gryph to release a proper physical main dps that replaces endmin/dapan in a pogra team?

[daring dove]

Yeah it can get pretty cold there at points it's very much like the UK in that respect.

[echo cove]

[neat snow]

We had the worst winter in like 60 years this year

[fossil pendant]

we actually got so much snow this winter

[neat snow]

The year I move here

[fossil pendant]

the most in my memory

[edgy crater]

[echo cove]

Can't say, not enuf data

[fossil pendant]

hell it was half snowing like two days ago

middle of march

[neat snow]

Yeah the rain turned to frost

[echo cove]

A hail happened? That's nuts

Did they break any window?

[neat snow]

We had hail hmm maybe two weeks ago

I had my car windows open and it kept hitting my arm

[oak vigil]

I wouldn’t say fully “replace”, but as far as every game in existence goes, power creep eventually kicks in. Buuut all operators still will be useful in their own way, even if quote on quote “replacable” option appears in like maybe 4 months or 1 year

[oak vigil]

Like you can’t exactly just go wrong with simple stuff

[echo cove]

Talks like this make me lose faith in the world

[oak vigil]

Rossi technically can powercreep Chen, but is more of an alternative

(really hyperbolic example)

[echo cove]

Unlikely

[bronze plume]

tbf thats kinda what rain will do if you have a window open

[daring dove]

I reckon somewhere in the range of the next 2 to 467 updates.

[oak vigil]

Yeah

[fossil pendant]

I think endmin is gonna stay pretty strong

[drifting quest]

id be very scared if rossi powercreeps chen

[neat snow]

I think they want endmin to be strong for a while yeah

[echo cove]

Endmin will have her pots to keep her "sumwhat relevant"

[fossil pendant]

given that a lot of his power budget is in crush which is a flat scaling regardless of character, and crystals can buff nukes from other characters as well

[echo cove]

Right, that would not be funny

[gaunt mason]

3000% ult mv trust

[fossil pendant]

20% damage taken is pretty significant on finisher and chen ult and whatnot

[drifting quest]

3000% ult mv wouldnt powercreep chen it'd just powercreep laev yvonne lr etc

[oak vigil]

Probably the only gacha game (I might be wrong though) where main character isn’t power crept after very first patch loool

[drifting quest]

cough

[oak vigil]

Go oooon

[gaunt mason]

da pan stocks

[drifting quest]

dapan stocks are back

basically

[oak vigil]

Fair point

[bronze plume]

all they need is for 1.2 to give endmin a good enuf pot

[fossil pendant]

yeah but then I have to play a fat panda

pass

[echo cove]

If endmin get powercrept, wouldn't dapan be even worse when it's not as good as endmin currently?

[drifting quest]

its going to be

[gaunt mason]

fat panda sounds exactly like my uncle

[drifting quest]

so funny if 1.2 endmin is back

[echo cove]

[fossil pendant]

he's just missing the wifebeater

[bronze plume]

id rather play dapan then generic memory lose mc #19873459 tbf

[drifting quest]

1.3 new greatsword for dapan or something so dapan wins again

[gaunt mason]

with mysterious stains

[drifting quest]

1.4 another endmin pot so endmin is better

please let it happen

oh my god it would be so funny

[bronze plume]

1.5 a new phys unit that makes both mid

[drifting quest]

real

[echo cove]

Then 1.5 a new phy crush chara that powercreep both

[drifting quest]

id expect 1.2 or 1.3 potentially does that

[echo cove]

Fuk we thought of the same thing lol

[bronze plume]

id be fine without a new phys unit for a while

please

[drifting quest]

1 elec, 1 nature, 1 phys, 1 fire/elec

are expected for 1.2 1.3

[echo cove]

1.6 is gonna be new endmin weapon that synergizes with her p3

[drifting quest]

based on element dist

[echo cove]

So they can drag endmin for longer b4 p5

[bronze plume]

we dont need more phys for now

let that mf die

[echo cove]

[daring dove]

I reckon 1.2 is just nature & lightening. 1.1 is techincally the new "PHY" character.

[drifting quest]

right

rossi will prob delay the next phys unit

[echo cove]

Nature...

[drifting quest]

i could see it being 1 nature 2 elec 1 fire

[echo cove]

Fire?

[bronze plume]

heat

[drifting quest]

pyro

[bronze plume]

pyro

[echo cove]

Yeah ik but who..?

[drifting quest]

🔥

[bronze plume]

whatever you wanna call it

[drifting quest]

liz has somewhat fire vibes i guess

[bronze plume]

Ardelia the hvit aska

[drifting quest]

same for the male

[echo cove]

Who's liz?

[drifting quest]

i never remember her name

[bronze plume]

dat the birb

[drifting quest]

liberi trailer girl

[echo cove]

Hvit aska?

[warped sorrel]

my guest is rossi would be physical

[echo cove]

[warped sorrel]

[bronze plume]

this man didnt play ak

[daring dove]

Heat team could legitmately use a buff after Tangtang dropping to be fair. It's definitely lost its spot as the best all-rounder.

[echo cove]

I do didn't play ak

[drifting quest]

Eyja2 is Eyjafjalla the Hvit Aska

[echo cove]

[drifting quest]

Ardelia is Eyja reconvener

[echo cove]

Oh

I didn't know she had a log name

[drifting quest]

to be honest it arguably never was the best all rounder

compared to premium phys

it was the best low cost all rounder team

[bronze plume]

Ardelia = Eyjafjalla reconvener

Eyjafjalla the Hvit Aska = Limited version of Eyja

[echo cove]

True

Imagine if the new unit gonna be lightning/nature hybrid instead

Just like rossi's phy/fire

[bronze plume]

i just want a nature dps

[fossil pendant]

just drop fangyi already

i'm tired of saving

[warped sorrel]

Amber is just rossi but mark as heat

[echo cove]

ahem fluorite

[bronze plume]

amber

[echo cove]

[bronze plume]

nah you funny

[echo cove]

[bronze plume]

look how beautiful she is (dont ban me somehting about rossi being good tc goesw brr)

[outer ermine]

[echo cove]

Who?

[bronze plume]

thats Eyjafjalla

[echo cove]

Oh...?

She looks flufy

[edgy crater]

thrown away > running

[bronze plume]

Ardelia is Eyjafjalla reconvener

[outer ermine]

yea its literally faster

[bronze plume]

like how Laevatain is surtr

[echo cove]

Right i accidentally trimmed that guy when i was farming for mats to up my perlica

[echo cove]

Yeah that part i know already, stuff abt reconvener

I just haven't played og ak

[outer ermine]

imma just take the 73s

back on pc soon too finally

[oak vigil]

Oh- I did not think about using the explosive blobs as launchers loool

[echo cove]

Meanwhile me just letting them bop me like a pinball:

This is why i bring a ton of healing item

[dense gust]

How is Hot Work Exo-rig (the new int one) with LYNX Slab faring with Lavacakes comparing with tidefall armor?

[honest hill]

why you like being abused

[outer ermine]

im m

[honest hill]

so this is strikers acc

[edgy crater]

[outer ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/panto-pt-ajitani-hifumi-hifumi-blue-archive-gif-5264665088346427047

[edgy crater]

can u even down it more tho

theres alot downtime on bull stage

n pray u dont get bug where 0 hp but still do full rotation lmao

[outer ermine]

-1.5s if kill is on combo
and atleast 5s on phase 2 if its really good lineup

4 orbs spawn together on one side
or
5 orbs gather on one side and away from ruan
or
3 orb left side paths to u and u launch immediately to right

yes i fuckin wrote them down so i can reset faster

phase 2 is the decider

[edgy crater]

orb spawn random isnt?

[outer ermine]

and pray to god hes prepping to do big jump

no meteors, no rams, no waves

theres 3 orbs that has consistent pathing

but mostly random

[torn pilot]

does it actually save on a lot of resources to farm a higher base-etched essence?

kindof hard to tell because the success rate for etching low tier essence like this is "Very high"

[outer ermine]

and the orbs are crazy good at juking

yvonne run is like
slower phase 1
insta oneshot phase 3

lr
oneshot phase 1
cope phase3

[torn pilot]

for ruan?

[neat snow]

Difference is minimal I believe

[torn pilot]

tysm

[outer ermine]

yea

[bronze plume]

the new one?

no

theres no good match possible for gear with only 2 stats

[tawny lagoon]

wasn't it around 10% more teamwide damage more sig vs bp?

[daring dove]

9.6% more team wide damage roughly depending on dilution it could be a little less.

But you get effectively infinite uptime on the debuff.

That's at P0 of course it scales to 16.9% at P5.

[tawny lagoon]

hmm, might have to get it eventually then, will have to wait for first 1.2 banner

[daring dove]

I think if you also factor in the personal damage benefits for Tangtang you actual team wide damage upgrade over BP weapon would be closer to 12%. But there's too many factors at play to give a definitive number there.

[tawny lagoon]

I mainly use her for Yvonne team

[lyric rain]

What gear for Tangtang?

[lyric rain]

Thanks

[drifting quest]

so like

tt gear went back to being ???

slab

mi gloves

yinglung chest

all 3 have

timelines and reasons

potentials impact it too

[daring dove]

Yeah we where discussing it earlier, I did think for general use case that above screenshot is recommended though.

Especially when you aren't fully artificing with benefits slab more.

[drifting quest]

the yinglung chest one is apparently the go to baseline now

for required uge for rots

but im still looking into it because other rots exist

per maygi and her timelines at least

she seems to be getting that bonekrusha gloves are better too so i need to look into that

[daring dove]

I mean if you are swapping the chest piece Bonekrusha gloves would indeed be best.

[next helm]

The more I try yvonne the more I dislike it

[daring dove]

Otherwise you'd lose set bonus.

[drifting quest]

even w/o 3p

[next helm]

for general overworld shit

wtf do you even do

[drifting quest]

prydwen has the same result

so im like really sketch

[granite marten]

I assume its not safe to artifice any piece fully yet? are the masks safe to do?

[drifting quest]

wouldnt artifice anything

[granite marten]

👍

[sterile patrol]

damage profile means generic dmg > bskill dmg

[sterile patrol]

i would recommend yinglung armor

[drifting quest]

Damage profile varied wildly though

[sterile patrol]

cause last rite and herself are doing SP return

[sterile patrol]

ya

but

[drifting quest]

Some rots have what 80+% skill dam

[sterile patrol]

generic is always safe at least

[daring dove]

I mean in my case I 100% don't need ult gain with P4 & Gilberta P3, but yeah for general P0 players it might be a requirement.

[drifting quest]

Some have like 40-50%

Yinglung i get, the easier rots need extra uge

[sterile patrol]

in the 80+% ones youd run the mi

[drifting quest]

I suppose it goes hand in hand atp anyway

The rots that need uge are the ones bonekrusha gloves win out at and you then need bk gloves anyway

[sterile patrol]

[drifting quest]

Mdps tt skews towards slab more rn

So its a more niche case for mi gloves ig

But then prydwen is 4p bonekrusha

Only 3 weapons listed

[sterile patrol]

ya i would recommend yinglung heavy armor t1 base

[daring dove]

Bonekrusha gloves allow you to easier swap to slab later as well to be fair. So there's a good argument even if there's a small difference to just artifice those since you can then swap an off-piece to slab down the road.

[noble tapir]

Would slab even be the play for subdps ever?

[drifting quest]

yesnt

[sterile patrol]

eh

[drifting quest]

premium thing with pots

[sterile patrol]

is there a point when home longing beats most other guns ?

[drifting quest]

clannibal should sheet marginally ahead of p5 HL

so then it beats p0

[noble tapir]

If I get pots is because I get dupes pulling for 1.2 character number 1 lol

[sterile patrol]

clannibal is close behind home longing

[drifting quest]

wedge is worse but should still beat p0

[sterile patrol]

but i guess

[lyric rain]

I just p2

[drifting quest]

i think maygi had clanni at like

89%

[daring dove]

Just use the set I recommended for now then & don't artifice chest or gloves yet.

[drifting quest]

hl 87%

or so

assuming HL buffs spouts properly

still need to find someone to test that

[daring dove]

We need more information on if ult gain matters for normal rotiations.

An if the ult gain is worth the tangtang damage loss.

[lyric rain]

I'm mean gibel

[sterile patrol]

i have clannibal behind

maybe shes on a diff team

[lyric rain]

P0 tang tang

[drifting quest]

prob different rots yeah

[sterile patrol]

clannibal should be binned fr anyway

[drifting quest]

i hate that its kinda decent

[indigo pine]

i calced it as better in p1 sub dps rotas with 5 combos

[drifting quest]

oh p1

i must have missed that

or well rather

p1 should favour HL more

[drifting quest]

since you max out the buff more

oh

i just

cannot read

[sterile patrol]

slab cope is forever strong

[drifting quest]

[indigo pine]

i hate how powerful slab is, it's weird

[drifting quest]

i cant wait for slab to die forever

[noble tapir]

Well if she spooks me on my 20 free pulls on Rossi or the first 1.2 character pulls if I’m pulling, I will keep that in mind

[drifting quest]

i do like that tt has such

wildly different calcs at least

[daring dove]

I agree it's so annoying that it pops up in character builds that absolutely shouldn't be using it.

[smoky quarry]

Do you think that clannibal is reusable for future characters?

[indigo pine]

this game just has very open-ended tc in general and its a lot of fun

[drifting quest]

clannibal is technically

[daring dove]

The subs don't even bloody match.

[drifting quest]

giga generic

[indigo pine]

but god dang is it a lot of work

[sterile patrol]

fun...

[indigo pine]

yea..............................

[sterile patrol]

i need to get an eye doctor atp from the sheets

[drifting quest]

some of the sheets are brutal number walls

the CN ones especially

[noble tapir]

I think half your pain is the fact you have to speedrun it because no early access tbf

[drifting quest]

1400 lines of numbers

no text

[sterile patrol]

it's gonna lead to burn out but ill try my best

[granite marten]

which team is this subdps set being referenced to?

[daring dove]

Do you think slab is worth without artificing, for me that seems a tougher call. If you assume max artifice obviously it wins.

[drifting quest]

things keep changing then looping back

which makes it annoying for guide purposes

but its starting to settle at least

[indigo pine]

my body is pissed at me for how long im sitting at the desk all day and staring at sheets, ive put in like ~40-50hrs ish since patch drop

[drifting quest]

down to basically 2 sets from what 5? 6?

pretty good

standing desk investment

[noble tapir]

🫡

[indigo pine]

should just max artifice it its busted as heck

[sterile patrol]

yea im unironically investing into a treadmill and standing desk

[indigo pine]

not a bad idea tbh...

[noble tapir]

Standing desks are op if you work from home

[daring dove]

Yeah I just don't think slab should be the general recommendation just yet. More of a higher investment recommendation once you're pretty advanced in your gear artificing process if you get what I mean.

[drifting quest]

slab req's more to do more

glove choice is rot dependent

[daring dove]

I think if you're just throwing gear on Tangtang an she isn't your artificing target.

[drifting quest]

uge vs 0 uge is rot dependent

[indigo pine]

just artificing for tangtang is already like minmax territory in itself

unless ur tangtang main dps gigachad

(shes really fun main dps tbh)

[drifting quest]

i need to finish calcing

oblivi dps perlica

vs buff slave

for tt dps

and then ake vs xaihi too

[next helm]

Akekuri?

[drifting quest]

yeah

[next helm]

For link battleskill?

[drifting quest]

or ult

[noble tapir]

I’m still just trying to figure out what rotation I wanna use for Yvonne. I assume it’s setting up a 3 tornado tt skill into pressing all the ult buttons but idk for sure lol

[drifting quest]

link appears to buff the rogue wave and waterspouts from talent 2

i need to record some myself to triple check

[daring dove]

Yeah, I even found ult damage gloves to be pretty good on her for instance dungeons where you start with ultimate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9jOoj9Uh5k

[drifting quest]

need to calc ard to the same effect too

since xaihi doesnt buff perlica

[indigo pine]

2 tangtang combo -> skill
2 tangtang combo -> ult

1 stack + 3-4 stack yvonne deto (you only need 3 stack, but with how a rotation may be drawn out by dodging and whatnot you may end up getting 4 stack anyway waiting for tangtang cooldown)

[sterile patrol]

[noble tapir]

It’s not worth it to get one stack off xaihi cs?

[drifting quest]

i love tt mdps technically* owning all 4 recrisis speedrun records!

just dont look into why she has all 4

[noble tapir]

To get the extra whirlpool

[indigo pine]

u do 2-3 xaihi skills in total

[daring dove]

I'm currently at the point where, at least at whale investment Tangtang seems to be the strongest DPS to me rn to be fair.

[noble tapir]

Oh wait combo I can’t read nvm

[daring dove]

An I have them all at really high investment levels.

[noble tapir]

Ok but that bug was funny

[drifting quest]

still unpatched btw

[noble tapir]

I thought Lin-0 said it was patched… he lied…