theorycrafting

[vestal sinew]

ill do it.i might as well,even if stanza is better i assume it isnt by a lot

[glass wind]

If I want to Main DPS Tangtang, whats her main DMG?

[neat snow]

gun

[honest hill]

sig is better than stanza

[honest hill]

u need the sig otherwise don't think about it

[kind nebula]

stanza is better damage than sig at p5 vs p0 tho

[honest hill]

is it?

[kind nebula]

yea

[honest hill]

by how much

[kind nebula]

i dont have the exact numbers but id guess like ~10-15%?

[glass wind]

She cant use Wedge?

[vestal sinew]

so if im using LR,tangtang,xaihi and perlica would perlica do good damage? i have seen the one shots she does and stuff and i know u need setup for that but withoutt setup wouldnt there be still some good damage on her ult?

[honest hill]

time to go get them

[kind nebula]

since its +22.4% ATK vs +19.2% arts

[honest hill]

she can but like as a mdps ye no

get the sig

[honest hill]

I mean I wanna see numbers tho

[honest hill]

what about the lifted

+5.6%

[kind nebula]

even with that stanza is still better (99% of the time) because its ATK instead of arts

[honest hill]

24.8% arts dmg taken vs 22.4% atk

[kind nebula]

the attack is better

[honest hill]

hm I should try it for leva and lr team then

and avy

[kind nebula]

maybe not by ~10-15% but like around 10% id guess

depends on what set ur running tho

[honest hill]

what u mean set

just standard xira set

[kind nebula]

doesnt laev run hot work?

[terse valley]

any changes to pogranichnik gears in 1.1?

[honest hill]

yeah but we're talking about gilberta

not leva

[honest hill]

it has

[kind nebula]

oh i meant the set ur running on laev

gilbertas damage doesnt matter

[honest hill]

hot work w redeemer chest

[kind nebula]

yea stanza is better

[terse valley]

still intensity or frontier now?

oh

[honest hill]

slightly better

[kind nebula]

which for context is just intensity or frontiers tho

ig the chest isnt intensity since ult gain is good but same diff

[honest hill]

yeah

do u think P4 stanza beats P0 gilb sig

I have no P5 to test

[river scroll]

https://vxbilibili.com/video/BV1eYwnzMEpY/

can we even get new meta like this?

[torn pilot]

wow i think this is the first time ive ever seen an option to adress myself as anything other than "the endmin/darkmask"

[bronze plume]

what do you mean even

there aint no way we define meta by how fast can you kill the easiest boss in the game

[terse valley]

full team of p5 op and p5 weapons

[bronze plume]

espeically when you make the timer not even start until you first hit

[safe sand]

always remember that new meta is actually avywenna and 30 soups

[bronze plume]

30 morbillion thunderlances

[river scroll]

isn't that meta tho?
meta is from fighting boss stage yeah with timing yeah?

or we need to see on the cow now

[bronze plume]

you are fighting the easiest boss in the entire video game
with a system that makes "my timer doesnt start until i actually hit"

[terse valley]

and maybe not using a max pot team as a baseline yeah?

[bronze plume]

that gives characters like avy advantage due to being able to set up thunderlances before fighting

[terse valley]

can we even get new meta like this

[bronze plume]

wait until we get a character that reverses time

we get negative time kills omg guys new meta

[river scroll]

well... our only hardest content now is just to trim medal...

[bronze plume]

the easiest boss in this game is not hard

[river scroll]

but all content in game is easy

[smoky quarry]

agony mode is the contributor of cellular death in my head brain

[stable oxide]

Then there’s no point in meta

And even then

Meta isn’t seeing how much dps you can dish out on a standing still boss

[bronze plume]

^

[smoky quarry]

It's not hard, it's just a dps check. How about killing a boss without getting damage in a fanciest way possible?

[river scroll]

i mean isn't that the purpose of tc? to help player do the hardest content?

[bronze plume]

thats the purpose of tc yes but not how you define meta

[stable oxide]

How is that relevant to this discussion then….

All p5 weapon and character showcase on a useless reward wise boss

Surely tcing for a lot of players

[bronze plume]

the point of theorycrafting is to actually test team comps and team builds to determine what is the best, 2nd best etc for characters teams and builds

[river scroll]

dunno... with game like this... even catcher can do fine

[bronze plume]

thats irrelevant

i can fucking theorycraft the best way to get diamonds in minecraft

[stable oxide]

Brother you are the one defending this all max pot rhodagn boss as a useful meta tc or something

[bronze plume]

the difficulty of a game does not matter when it comes to theorycrafting something in a game

[terse valley]

what is your point here man

[river scroll]

what even is the best. this is the problem that i see... I see people do dmg calculations that have no real use on any stage... what do we calculate now and for what

[river scroll]

what do we do now? game too easy? what to play to?

[bronze plume]

welcome to a gacha where there is no definitive awnser to what the best actually is

[stable oxide]

This gotta be ragebait

I’m out

Gn bois

[bronze plume]

it 100% is

[terse valley]

wym what do we do? play the game?

huh?

[smoky quarry]

"define best"
"which scenario"
"which conditions"
"which cost"

[bronze plume]

exactly

[smoky quarry]

"are you unemployed"

[river scroll]

bro... i mean the combat

i don't want to just farm and fill lake for gameplay

[terse valley]

so you just hate gacha game in general

there are alot of other games out there

[warped sorrel]

WHAT

[terse valley]

you dont have to force yourself playing one

up to the point of making a pointless argument

[river scroll]

i do don't like game like zzz and newer game, that literally have nothing to do. but AK and game like BA and other old gacha have real meta

[smoky quarry]

I don't see his point

probably pizza cutter

[stable oxide]

There’s none

[river scroll]

bro people here just moving the topics to here and there 😭

[warped sorrel]

HE'S TRYING TO SLIP AWAY

[terse valley]

BA is a score-based PVP game obv it has meta

[gritty olive]

Blue archive is easy rn

Unless korea or jp, lunatic gates platinum

[terse valley]

EVERYTHING IS EASY IF U POUR MONEY INTO IT

[gritty olive]

Fucking lunatic bro i havent even done any good torment

[terse valley]

.itworked

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086672418832394/1394710066300719184/F_edmin_cry.png

[stable oxide]

He started with “can we even get new meta like this?” On a standing still full pot showcase of a boss, after questioning he started talking about how the game was easy and how catcher can also clear like bro what are you trying to say at this point?

[gritty olive]

Arknights always has been a slow burn game

[river scroll]

i disagree...
i mean we already see some laevatain whel still can't do trim

[terse valley]

???????????????

[gritty olive]

Ccbeta got introduced 6 months in cn

[stable oxide]

THIS IS DEFINITVE PROOF

[gritty olive]

Is fungimist got introduced 13 months in the game

[stable oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-meme-memes-goofy-ahh-pictures-lion-roar-lion-king-gif-13220042870582311261

[gritty olive]

Just wait to simmer yourself a bit before actual challenging content comes

[stable oxide]

Ragebait is crazy

Herscherr of ragebait bronya

[smoky quarry]

Might be crazy take, but things don't need to be difficult in order to be enjoyable

[river scroll]

dunno why y'all take things too negatively on what i said 💀

[terse valley]

herrscher of No Reason

[smoky quarry]

just like not every food needs to include carolina reaper for spice

[bronze plume]

magma

[terse valley]

now thats too far

[gritty olive]

optimization of gear and beating hardest content doesnt necessarily go hand in hand

imo

[smoky quarry]

Can't wait for spiral abyss type of shit in endfield that's only doable with specific comps that require freshly released legendaries

[terse valley]

thank you for the input Pogranichnik Foot Stool

[river scroll]

yeah... i mean i can even still beat them now without gear

[gritty olive]

tbf this is why arknights roguelite is a good thing because it doesnt gate any pulls unlike mirror dungeon's weekly commitment and SU/DU/CW biweekly commitment as well

[warped sorrel]

i might take a break The game has no content

[gritty olive]

people will follow meta if they want to do specific stuff that needs like a dps requirement

[smoky quarry]

I skipped zero dailies since the game launched, I should get some kind of reward for this. Trip to psych ward for example

[warped sorrel]

HE IS BAITING AGAIN

[stable oxide]

Yeah same

Game’s too chill

[warped sorrel]

same

[river scroll]

who?

[stable oxide]

It takes so little to clear dailies

[gritty olive]

personally i want to clear is5 ed245 d18

[smoky quarry]

"define daily"

[stable oxide]

Same with sanity now that we have auto filled ults

[gritty olive]

so i follow a strict drafting rule of going silverash amiya and deepcolor, then recruiting ulpianus and surfer, then getting hoederer, may, ethan, m3 later

[warped sorrel]

you know what we need in all gacha game?

[smoky quarry]

by daily I mean anything that is time-gated by daily refresh

and stamina

[warped sorrel]

a daily pass You pay and you dont have to game
auto daily

[stable oxide]

The dailies, the thing you need to reach 100. You just need to log in and to the random fuck ass daily quest. After that if you want you can do the credit stuff

[warped sorrel]

[gritty olive]

currently endfield doesnt have a gamemode where i need to strictly follow dps guideliens or i wont clear properly for completion, pulls or vanity whatever after i clear it. and its fine

youre just gonna get burnt out if youre always on your toes of "not being able to clear something quickly"

-> pulls new unit you dont really like just for the sake of clearing -> clear content -> hp inflation by a bit -> repeat

[stable oxide]

The credit thing is not required tho it just speeds up your team upgrading growth, doesn’t actually give pull currency

[river scroll]

but we can just clear everything with almost random bs team

[stable oxide]

Even counting the market and selling it’s not long btw

[gritty olive]

is that supposed to be a bad or a good thing

[river scroll]

good?

[gritty olive]

[bronze plume]

50 cents a day to not need to do dailies

i can see people spending money for that

[stable oxide]

The only really long thing is if you decide to fish for the wuling tickets in the deliveries you can take from other players

[smoky quarry]

But do you count 4 wuling deliveries every day?

[stable oxide]

.

[gritty olive]

anyways ill go out now

[smoky quarry]

I'd pay 10 dollars to not play etchspace

delete ts 💔

[stable oxide]

I’m NOT fishing delieveries for half an hour just to get 300 k

[bronze plume]

pay me those 10 dollars then

[gritty olive]

i dont see any relevant tc discussion so ill just go back on doing my requirements

[warped sorrel]

i actually would
it is like an idle game for Fomo gacha slop enjoyer

[bronze plume]

ill do it for you

[stable oxide]

It’s goated

[bronze plume]

it isnt really tho

i cna see why people dislike it so much

[neat snow]

It's not great

[warped sorrel]

Extraction looter but for people who never play a game before

[smoky quarry]

What would be the team that doesn't requires setups to deal most of its dps?
(Defining setup: Stacking tokens, activating breach, throwing spears, using ults)

It's probably LR team I guess

[river scroll]

LR setups now is like... basic atk...

Just dodge

[warped sorrel]

Buffing?

[smoky quarry]

If buffing doesn't takes a full rotation to prepare, then it's fine

[river scroll]

buffing isn't time consuming setup, if you just click the ult I think

[smoky quarry]

Thinking about 🍺 team for overworld, cause doing setups on 60 lvl mobs that die in the middle of it feels awkward

But at the same time, pressing basic attack takes too long

[warped sorrel]

solidify Endmin

[smoky quarry]

so shatter team it is

[warped sorrel]

ya shiter team

[smoky quarry]

sharter

[warped sorrel]

or anything with gilb

[terse valley]

ember basic attack

[river scroll]

someone did trying to make ember full hp build before

i wonder how will that even used

[neat snow]

Doesn't sound good. You only need 1 hp in this game.

[bronze plume]

fr ardelia is useless healing? just dodge

[river scroll]

i think I'm at the point where calculating stuff for Akekuri team would actually be more fun than the op team like Laev and LR

most people probably just build Ardelia dps

[smoky quarry]

be like that

[river scroll]

what operator would even stack arts infliction the fastest?

[bronze plume]

cant believe leon got folded like that

[smoky quarry]

wulfgard I guess?

With one trick you get 3 stacks for 100 sp

in single target

[river scroll]

I'm thinking about doing funny corrosion + combustion team

[bronze plume]

bro wants to corrod and combust on his enemies

aint no way

[river scroll]

i wonder if i can keep all 2 up at all time

[smoky quarry]

fresh ideas

[green cipher]

Fatshield bro

Its not that hard

[smoky quarry]

Ember should stop fucking around and just pull up her gun

[fast ledge]

so breach and crush damage is depend on vulnarable stack count and art intensity ? and attack?

[terse valley]

ember if she's boring:

[terse valley]

not atk

vul stacks, arts intensity, operator level

dmg% and phys dmg%

[fast ledge]

for real?

i tot all damage is depend on attack

[terse valley]

not reactions

[fast ledge]

so even my attack 1 ?

[terse valley]

well the atk still affects your skill damage

[fast ledge]

with 4 vulnareble stack , bs endmin > ultimate endmin?

[gritty briar]

what

[river scroll]

wulf, ake, laev is the only operator that can inflict pyro infliction?

[smoky quarry]

the gap so big I've never considered it

[lime anchor]

for now iirc

[terse valley]

what

[gritty briar]

reaction damage does scale off attack

[smoky quarry]

antal combo

[terse valley]

huh?

[bronze plume]

rossi will also infliction heat infliction

[terse valley]

wait lemme check

[river scroll]

hmm... I'm thinking of doing

Wulf, Gilb, Rossi, antal/akekuri

with 4 stack corrosion rotation

you guys think it's possible?

also does ult screenshot debuff or buff?

[bronze plume]

how is gilb meant to stack that much corrosion

[river scroll]

Gilb just need to apply once

[terse valley]

oh yeah it do

[river scroll]

stack 4 pyro then 1 nature from gilb

[terse valley]

hey mb man reaction dmg does scale off of atk, among other things

[warped sorrel]

Huh

[river scroll]

guess I'm doing Akekuri then...

[smoky quarry]

combo cd shoudn't take any longer than 20s for pacing reasons

[vapid flame]

haimao debuff

[river scroll]

also does ult screenshot debuff or buff?

[gritty briar]

Isn't antal combo cd 25?

[smoky quarry]

my reading comprehension is really bad today huh

it is 25 seconds, which is still kind of a lot

wulfgard has AoE application without mark and it's only 20s

[river scroll]

Antal might still be possible then

[warped sorrel]

Imagine they keep releasing better gear

infinite gear upgrade grinding

[river scroll]

it's not that much better...

i would say it more of giving more choices

[bronze plume]

id rather that then what hoyo games have

being a xiao main from his release to now gotta be the worst thing ever

[terse valley]

does any of the new cuprium gears gives more options for gear artificing matchings?

[odd wren]

Project chen xd almost p5 weapon

[odd wren]

New redeemers should be

[smoky quarry]

Apparently you can artifice redeemer chestplate only with another redeemer chestplates

[bronze plume]

new redeemer chest piece for ult gain chest peices

[smoky quarry]

it doesn't wants to use my tide surge fodder

[bronze plume]

thats because you cant use lower base stat stuff to artifice higher base stat stuff

[smoky quarry]

it's bad, cause you know

Cuprium is tougher than xiranite to manufacture

[bronze plume]

its the only piece that can use it, its a brand new thing, and takes more stock bills to make per one

[smoky quarry]

how much cuprium armor costs? More than 8k?

[bronze plume]

what?

[odd wren]

16k

[terse valley]

16k

[potent hornet]

16k

[bronze plume]

16k

[odd wren]

[smoky quarry]

so twice as much as xiranite?

[bronze plume]

the new gear cost 16k stock bills

old gear cost 8k

[smoky quarry]

Holy shit, I'm not replacing my tide surge chestplates lol

[bronze plume]

tbf

wtf else you finna spend stock bills on

[smoky quarry]

full artifice is gonna cost like a million of bills

[bronze plume]

thats

the main purpose of stock bills

well wuling ones at least

valleys is for dust collecting

[odd wren]

Play physical no new stuff

[smoky quarry]

I didn't counted cost of catalysts

[bronze plume]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[odd wren]

[terse valley]

the ember in the room:

[odd wren]

Lmao

Good thing i don't play ember

[smoky quarry]

which is gonna be another 5 millions

Weekly income isn't that big, artifice is gonna be slow

[potent hornet]

all it takes is 3

[terse valley]

buying out the weekly artificing batteries alone takes up to 3mil

[dawn patrol]

it's like 8.4mil for everything

[smoky quarry]

avg price of artificing catalyst is gonna be 105k

In case of shitty luck, 3 succesful artificing attempts will take you 30 attempts

[bronze plume]

it only takes you 30 for 3

damn

[smoky quarry]

fully artificed redeemer chestplate is gonna cost about 7.2 mil stock bills, which is like, weekly income?

[bronze plume]

took me about 70 catalysts to fully artifice my redeemer chestpiece

[smoky quarry]

waiter, waiter, integrate more gacha mechanics into gameplay, please!!

[warped sorrel]

Enermy can now dodge

and your attack can now miss

[smoky quarry]

upgrading first or second line of essense from 5th to 6th level can take you up to 2 weeks

if you don't hit 2.5% chance even once

[smoky quarry]

don't worry

every 60th attack is guaranteed to hit the target

[warped sorrel]

120th attack is guaranteed crit

Doesnt carry over to next monster

[echo cove]

It took 15 for my xaihi chest

Actually it was closer to 18

Ah but my ult gain isn't fully artificed yet...

[fast ledge]

cyro lastrite team, essense farming is so efficient

[north widget]

Which characters do you guys think benefit from the cuprium gear most?

[quartz ivy]

where can i find the max stats for this armor

[north widget]

Multiply by 1.3

[drifting berry]

TT is the only one that is actually using the new gear for me so far

and the INT chest piece on Xiahi

[summer flicker]

2 xaihi ult

kekw

in p1 tt rotation

i think i overcook this, cre yippe for 2 ult idea

[north widget]

Physical got some interesting options. Pog can run hot works gloves and kits with xiranite chestplate for even more arts intensity. Ember can run swordmancer now if more stagger is needed. Couldn't find much use for the rest

[summer flicker]

wait the rot is wrong

need to fix some stuff

[urban plaza]

Which website is this tool again?

[dawn patrol]

end-axis.com

[urban plaza]

Thx

[summer flicker]

these red dots are when the final strike end right

[unreal light]

What’s the idea behind Xaihi autoattack string?

[summer flicker]

she has the shortest in this team

[unreal light]

When the damage instance pops, during the animation time

[unreal light]

But you like do that once and then swap to TT to never return

[unreal light]

Tangtang, fluorite

[summer flicker]

swap to tangtang when xaihi use skill

and swap to tangtang to do the final strike to get the xaihi buff

[unreal light]

You can precast it before the battle

[summer flicker]

there some content that dont allow precast

so standardly: assume no precast

but ye very very over complicated

[limpid rock]

Is Memory better than Steel rn for Chen?

[summer flicker]

2 xaihi ult
8 battle skill
what the hell quickswapping
help me please

[unreal light]

You may precast even in umbral

[summer flicker]

triagle boss dont allow
new boss dont allow

[unreal light]

I see

Never been to triangle after the trim

[paper sand]

anyone tried crit tangtang w/ wedge?

[summer flicker]

crit fish

[paper sand]

w/ smth like this set

almost 70% final crit rate

[unreal light]

2700atk

[summer flicker]

[paper sand]

heres with the iana set

400 atk diff

wait she doesnt want uge/er??

[summer flicker]

a body with ult eff is enough
or a lynx glove with ult eff

depend on rotation

[unreal light]

Is she like level 60 or smth?

[paper sand]

80/80 p3 wedge

[unreal light]

I didn’t get her sig yet, so she plays opus the living lvl80

The gear is barely touched, so tight even operators pay rent

She’s already hitting 4k

And opus does not grant atk%, sig does

[paper sand]

what are you feeding her

does opus have essence

[unreal light]

1x Slab

[unreal light]

4 Agi

[paper sand]

ah

[unreal light]

Not 6

[unreal light]

Her name is almost readable in latin

[unreal light]

Why would she, her ult is a big hit, nothing much

Arts susc comes from whirls, that are not locked by ult only

[paper sand]

i thought she would want em for rotations

[summer flicker]

yes sub dps rotation, want a body worth of ult eff, or glove worth of ult eff

[civic wolf]

dp you prioritize leveling up mainstat and 3rd stat for DPS first over supports? Im wondering how valuable is the MI/ER gain of the support gears actually is

[unreal light]

You don’t really level up mainstat for supports

And you should prioritize dps over supports always, cause geared supports and weak dps do Less damage than geared dps and weak supports

[summer flicker]

p5 stanza

didnt notice stanza in shop

[normal tangle]

still missing a stanza for p5 💔

i think i missed one

[ocean turret]

amazing bro

[fossil pendant]

anyone done the math on chen running offset redeemer gloves vs the new t50 yl kit

[urban plaza]

I know build spreadsheet is not updated yet, but do we have any WIP LR TT rotations and possible gear changes?

[eternal sluice]

have the theorycrafters returned with news about tangtang

[terse valley]

the theorycrafters are still buying milk

[bright sigil]

mmm milk

[dry mason]

@outer ermine Watch my new vid

[outer ermine]

glad im not the only one w scuffed ball collection

noice rhod

[native flower]

whats the preferred last rite chestpiece?

[outer ermine]

oh dorito has another window never knew

noice

[timber harness]

given how long its been to cook with the new stuff, what's chen's current bis rn

(weapon)

[odd wren]

Only thing i know with tangtang is she broke the game

[timber harness]

Well you could elaborate

[odd wren]

can free the boss to death, 0 seconds rhod clear, re crisis bosses getting one hit

[heady pine]

bp weapon

[timber harness]

But shes not the endmin so i cant care

[warm galleon]

BiS p5 Rapid
2nd BiS p4 Rapid

[timber harness]

Thats two different answers. Isnt rapid ascent a standard weapon

[warm galleon]

I'm trolling sorry

[timber harness]

Figured.

[chilly bolt]

The fuk

[bronze plume]

shock m61 not giving someone a good awnser

[timber harness]

Punishable by block

[warm galleon]

I answer in theory without crafting

[chilly bolt]

But is p5 glorious better than p5 rapid?

[timber harness]

From quick glance this just seems like some bug thats gonna or already got fixed

[timber harness]

Gotta ping the nerd

@drifting quest

Have you done the crafts yet

[bold rose]

so if no Gilb who's the 4th in Yvonne teams now?
Perlica? Flourite?

[heady pine]

tldr 8-12% ish better than sundering p5, pretty much on par with rapid p5

That’s what lappland said

[timber harness]

Man is prydwen out of date or what

Dont answer that

[chilly bolt]

💀

If no gil you cry

[frozen tide]

New bp weap is pre cracked for chen

[heady pine]

If the bp weapon is that op

That Rossi weapon is gonna be

Cracked as shit

[frozen tide]

Pretty much yeah

[chilly bolt]

Cant wait for hg to cook a sig worse than bp weapon

[heady pine]

I’m sure it will be more specialized to only work with Rossi

[frozen tide]

Third line max effect is alr comparable and rascent has way worse uptime

[heady pine]

If I 6/6/3 glorious just to have a better weapon come for Chen in 12 days

[chilly bolt]

Yeah and that already sounds bad ngl

[heady pine]

[frozen tide]

The only "issue" with bp sword is cr second line

[twilit quail]

chen has a usable new set in 3x yinglung

[frozen tide]

Third line is ridiculous

[twilit quail]

memory is way better on yinglung

you can trade the stagger for like 20% more dmg than sundering+swordmancer

[bronze plume]

how insane do we think rossis weapon will be to actually make her work'

thats the real question

[frozen tide]

Love that they made an actually good bp weap

🔥

[twilit quail]

even if it's not that good

[frozen tide]

Just wish the gun wasn't so ass

[twilit quail]

pulling rossi weapon

just to gamble on chen staying employed

to give her the BP weapon

the risk/reward might not even be that bad

[heady pine]

Do u move lifeng to swordmancer in this case then

[frozen tide]

Lifeng always used sm no?

[twilit quail]

it depends

[frozen tide]

Atleast a built lif with mb

[twilit quail]

as always

[heady pine]

It seems like it was 50/50 between sm and xiranite

Ik p3 mb lifeng was on swordmancer tho

[frozen tide]

Xirafeng is copium just whale smh

Get the lif p4 and mb

[twilit quail]

with the new set we end up with like a

409 in the dmg% zone for her ult

which is a record I think

[fossil pendant]

2x new kit + ult eff chest?

on yinglung

[dense plank]

when you use ult to proc the whirpools does their damage get affected by bskill dmg bonus%?

[urban plaza]

The 2nd talent node should answer your question

[edgy elk]

yes

[edgy elk]

i did the calcs, it does
bonekrusha set bonus wouldnt trigger tho (for obvious reasons)

[frozen tide]

Rly?

Damn

[edgy elk]

mhm

so battleskill dmg%+ helps ultbot tangtang too

(but why ultbot )

[snow peak]

does anybody have the numbers on how much better glorious memory is in comparison to RA and sundering on chen?

planning to P5 GM

[stable oxide]

it's juts my opinion i can see why some would hate it

[daring dove]

Basically get it if you care about maxing Chen, however it isn't a massive upgrade.

[frozen tide]

🤔

8-12 sounds a bit low of an estimate

but its not like i did sheets on it

[odd wren]

Wait what's mb sorry kinda new to that abbreviation, is it max battle skill?

[fading herald]

anyone knows whats the maxed stats for redeemer armor?

[odd wren]

[edgy crater]

mountain bear something? his sig wep

[odd wren]

Ohh

His sig ok ok

Too bad i only have valiant p5

[frozen tide]

Val p5 is good lol

[pliant stump]

how much SP gives a final strike, it looks like 20-30 SP?

[fossil pendant]

ranges from I think 16-21?

somewhere in that neighborhood anyways

[gritty olive]

endmin 20sp
wulfgard 18
arclight 17
perlica 15
chen 18
ember 28
xaihi 15
antal 15
avyw 19
gilb 16
lifeng 21
snowshine 25
laev basic 20
laev ult 22
yvonne 17
ardel 18
pogra 20
dapan 21
akekuri 19
last rite 30
catcher 25
estella 19
fluorite 15
alesh 19

[pliant stump]

oh....I thought it is a fix number for all character^^ Thank you for these informations 🙂

[dry kindle]

just link whats their name sheet

(dont ask me because i forgor who)

[warped sorrel]

there is a difference? damn

[gritty olive]

...youre my source for this

[rich linden]

Absolutely wild name

[gritty olive]

tevi keeps removing saintonas

since he can edit my name out, i suggested him to give me a nickname

[rich linden]

Smh

[gritty olive]

yeah it was SaintonasAR60F2PTigerNinja

and tigerninja came back, saintonas gets removed

so i dont have an identity

[chilly bolt]

where is this?

it's slightly different from the basic attack data sheet

[frozen tide]

Isn't that sheet off visuals

Not off data

[chilly bolt]

hmm idk it doesnt mention how it's calculated

[odd wren]

With swordmancer set? XD

[frozen tide]

Yeah

[dry kindle]

frame counting

[daring dove]

Making good progress on building Ember finally. Not sure if I should max her essence prior to Rossi's release though or just focus on pre-farming Rossi on the assumption she's worth pulling.

[smoky quarry]

I'm thinking about levelling up obj edge of lightness

If devs are going to copy spiral abyss, then they'll probably copy genshin rules alongside it

This means that characters cannot be repeated between teams, and equipment cannot be changed during the challenge

Meaning I can't reuse thermite cutter

That's needed in all 3 teams that I have built

[chilly bolt]

help someone asia pls send me clue 6

[daring dove]

I love a game-mode similar to Genshin's IT to be honest, one where you have like 10-12 stages to clear.

Each character only has 2-3 stamina, so can't be used to clear more than 2-3 stages.

[dawn patrol]

aren't you going to pull anyway i thought you were a whel

[daring dove]

Not a whale that P5's every character just the ones I like. It's just happened I have liked every character so far. Well except Yvonne.

But I got Yvonne P2 in 60 wishes so just finished her to P5

For super cheap.

[dawn patrol]

[smoky quarry]

Is pogr fine on 6/6/6/6? Talking about skills

I don't care about his damage share

[daring dove]

Husbando characters will be a skip for me unless they literally break the meta.

For example like Kazuha did in early Genshin.

[neat snow]

I don't mind male character.. I like wulf. I just don't like the animals like panda or lizard.

[smoky quarry]

Oh, husband like actual husband

[smoky quarry]

Lizard is fine. I don't like panda cause it's the laziest design you can ever imagine

[neat snow]

True. It's a very tired cliche

[smoky quarry]

I like male characters that have respectable personality and are not oversexualised like manato from zzz

[neat snow]

I haven't played zzz but isn't all the characters a bit sexualized

I think wulf is a very good character

[smoky quarry]

mf got dihh jiggle physics

this is way too much

[neat snow]

Oh haha

[smoky quarry]

Tell me it wasn't added to bait out female part of the community

[drifting berry]

https://tenor.com/view/komano-manato-belle-chest-bounce-phaethon-gif-13074572346460270283

[daring dove]

There we go, I likely want to M3 her normal chain but don't have the materials rn.

[drifting berry]

He got jiggle physics btw

[dawn shard]

Eh in terms of sexualized design i think hes rather tame compared to other zzz characters

[smoky quarry]

We can't really compare male characters to female ones in this spectrum for objective reasons

[drifting berry]

What makes female character appealing does not always apply to male characters, I have heard conflicting information so I honestly have no idea.

[dawn patrol]

i'm a lesbian so i have no stakes in any arguments about the sexualisation of male characters

[drifting berry]

up to taste I guess

[dawn patrol]

[daring dove]

Yeah it depends what demographic you're going for. For example you have Venti & you have Varka in Genshin. Both are techincally "husbandos" but their target demographic couldn't be further apart.

[smoky quarry]

I like how the only feminine-looking man in endfield is underaged

[lime mango]

So what happened to Mark? The little kid’s uncle crew mate during the refugee arc?

[smoky quarry]

#lore-room

[dawn patrol]

i thought lifeng was a woman 💔

[daring dove]

The craziest take I have seen is people calling Tangtang a loli to be honest. Her an Gilberta are pretty much the same size in every dimension.

I guess Tangtang does act more immature but that's about it.

[smoky quarry]

I hope devs won't fumble the wuling bird

[drifting berry]

Being honest I have only seen 1 person so far claiming that, and it was mostly because of her care-free / cringe personality on the 1.0 story

[smoky quarry]

Her psychological age is like 14 years old? Seems accurate

[drifting berry]

She's like Chen personality wise

[daring dove]

Pretty sure her & Chen are about the same age to be honest

[drifting berry]

probably

[smoky quarry]

I feel like chen is behaving silly cause she choses to do so, while tangtang apparently just can't be serious

Behaving childish even when she's supposed to be focused

She is lagging behind in her development as a person

[dawn patrol]

psychoanalysis of a fictional character in tc

[daring dove]

I don't get the lore surrounding her eye to be honest. ||Story seems to imply she was blinded yet she also has a special power in her blinded eye||.

[smoky quarry]

I'm pretty sure her eyepatch is reference to rika and megumin if you know these

[daring dove]

In terms of actually being not developed as an adult that's more to do with her upbringing. Lets to be honest 90% of her tribe are idiots.

[smoky quarry]

They hide their eye too cause they think it got some kind of power

[smoky quarry]

This is typical for people who resist civilization with all their might

[molten star]

Anyone who etchmax p0 tangtang? How much attack does she have?

[daring dove]

Naw there's literally a scene in the story ||after her tribe was attacked where she can't see out of one eye & her brother is worried sick asking what they did to her||.

[rugged vale]

yeah I didnt get it either

[daring dove]

It's 6.2k range, maybe low 6.3k.

I have a bit of artificing on mine & max essence.

[smoky quarry]

damn, that's 1k more than lavatein

[drifting berry]

lmao

[molten star]

Gear set?

[drifting berry]

#do-not-post-or-get-beaned kinda goated

not even 5 second it last

[smoky quarry]

check iana guide

[smoky quarry]

gone, reduced to atoms

[molten star]

Not the boncrusha glove?

[drifting berry]

Can you send a picture without Tangtang, I cannot see the gear

[daring dove]

That's my attack rn, but I literally only have 2 pips artificed.

[molten star]

Level 90? Also weapon 90?

First time seeing a operator reach 6k attack with a set and not main stat attribute% increase thing

[molten star]

Is this p0 right

[daring dove]

From what I understand it's strictly worse, given the majority of Tangtang's damage is coming from her Battle skill, an it's also being directly impacted by the Bonekrusha set effect.

So the bigger damage multiplier on MI gloves for Battle skill

Is preferable.

[daring dove]

It's P5 but literally only difference is 20 more agility. So you can still get a good measure.

You can easily achieve 6.2k attack P0

Fully built.

[smoky quarry]

What would be dps set for arclight?

The issue is that her combo, that is major part of it, deals physical damage, so you can't scale it with electro dmg

Dilute damage buffs between combo and bs maybe

Maybe double slab

[molten star]

Yeah that's weird. I don't think any other operator without the main attributes increase thing can reach 6k at p0

[daring dove]

Well keep in mind Tangtang has +15% ATK from Bonekrusha & +39% ATK from weapon.

Most operators don't get that much perma attack buff.

[molten star]

Is your weapon at 4/9?

[smoky quarry]

probably 9/9 cause striker is a whale

Right?

[drifting berry]

Also TT like most caster they have a slightly lower base ATK while having more attributes

LR has 332 Base ATK, 155 STR and 109 WILL
TT has 321 Base ATK, 179 Agi and 123 STR

[molten star]

[drifting berry]

Tho honestly it should play against her

[molten star]

Mines at 4/9. I don't think 6k will be possible

[smoky quarry]

dmg dealt% doesn't contributes to atk

[molten star]

Oh I thought her weapon effect gave attack boost too lol

[daring dove]

Once she's fully artificed & essenced with correct gear she'll be 6.2k ATK. That's a certainty.

Just gotta build her more.

[smoky quarry]

is there any point in leveling pogr past 6/6/6/6?

[daring dove]

It might be 6.3K atk, to be honest

[molten star]

Do you artifive strenth too?

[daring dove]

I don't think you'll need to to reach 6.2k, but I tend to just do the first 2 pips

Since it's way cheaper.

On the sub stat.

[unreal light]

M1 Bs and Ult increases your SP gain

[buoyant yoke]

He recovers more sp on ult and bs at master 1, iirc

[daring dove]

With my Tangtang being nearly fully built, I'd say she's the second best or best DPS in the game RN. Right up there with Leavatain.

[smoky quarry]

that's skippable

[daring dove]

But considering Tangtang is also a support, for me she's the strongest character in the game rn.

[unreal light]

Any rank is

[smoky quarry]

well, when character's damage share on the team is ~5%...

[unreal light]

It depends on your build

[daring dove]

It's honestly extremely nice to have a character like Wulfguard (Tangtang) that's amazing at dealing inflictions. But also has personal damage to back it up. So you don't feel like she's a wasted spot on the team.

Heat really needs its own version of Tangtang as Wuldguards a complete bum dragging down the team.

[smoky quarry]

You don't need 120 pulls for wulfgard though

So I'll prefer him over tt

[compact bridge]

Tangtang is very lucky, all her 6* team is already here... Meanwhile Laevatain still need to carry a bunch of 4* in her team

[molten star]

Is this at p5

Also how to get three watersprouts on the field with tangtang?

[rugged vale]

That's a good thing

[smoky quarry]

All lavatein teammates are good, there are no awkward picks like with yvonne on release

The wulfgard anti-synergy is somewhat annoying though

[chilly bolt]

I like how you call flourite bad without calling her bad

[proud vector]

watch as some character have a 2 parter ult with double the ult flash timing

making flourite good

[civic wolf]

so is the rotation is Xaihi > 2 FS > Xaihi > 2 FS (This will do Xaihi > Tangtang combo twice), then Yvonne Skill to reap all the Cryo inflictions?

[rose heath]

anyone tried perlica main crit dps, arclight, girlberta, tang tang support?

[civic wolf]

do you situationally alter it to be Gilberta Skill -> Gilberta ULT To Yvonne Skill to deal with crowds

[smoky quarry]

@drifting quest hi, I wanted to ask. Let's imagine that arclight dps is not bullshit

What would the best gear and weapon? My guess is:

Redeemer armor, redeemer hands, double slab and twelve questions

[proud vector]

the succ is good for crowds yeah

it loses xaihi ultimate gain but for crowds you don't always need the amp

[smoky quarry]

you get at least 5k tokens per 80 pulls, right?

[daring dove]

Start with Battle skill, into combo skill, into ult then plunge attack , into battle skill.

[unreal light]

Don’t use 12q

It’s worse than thermite

For Arclight’s damage

[daring dove]

Ah you need to plunge attack as well

[smoky quarry]

Thermite has bad attribute for arclight, and third-line of 12q is better for personal arclight damage

[smoky quarry]

Are you sure?

[daring dove]

What do ya mean

[daring dove]

Isn't Akekuri better than Archlight a lot of the time even in electric teams.

[smoky quarry]

I was designing dps build for arclight

[tribal magnet]

damn unlucky

[daring dove]

Close to having half the cast of characters fully built now. I wonder if there's eventually enough resources for everyone to max their characters assuming they play daily?

[smoky quarry]

Will you get enough crowns for m12? Hell nah

[compact bridge]

I let my sanity pack expired week ago

[smoky quarry]

skill issue

don't be lazy next time

[compact bridge]

Unless they introduce more 5* and 4*, we probably gonna max everyone

[daring dove]

Obviously not on that front, but you don't need to M3 every operator skill either. They can all be taken to rank 9 freely.

[unreal light]

I did the math in 1.0

Thermite provides more flat atk, more atk% in second line, wild unconditional atk% in third line, and atk% buff on top of that

Top is 12q, bottom is thermite. Perlica is unoptimized here

[smoky quarry]

Is result gonna be similar with double slab?

[chilly bolt]

Flourite is an infliction bot, but bad, tang is an infliction bot but good

[unreal light]

Uhh let me pull up this sheet

[smoky quarry]

gilberta is better nature infliction bot while having QoL

[chilly bolt]

No gil is ult bot

[smoky quarry]

Why not both

Gravity pull is very good if nature infliction won't mess up your stacks

[smoky quarry]

damn, perlica has higher damage share on the team than avywenna

sub-dps my ass

[unreal light]

Yeah, once I optimized her she’s actually doing 1.5mil damage over the span of 52sec

That’s why they kick out Avywenna on fast clears at bilibili

[smoky quarry]

Do you use pulser on her?

[unreal light]

Yeah it was pulser in that calculation

Now I prefer mi + slab

[unreal light]

Double slab

12q

Double slab thermite

Yeah thermite is weaker with 2 slab

[smoky quarry]

Battle skill damage or ult damage on MI gear?

[next helm]

Whats the fastest aluvium btw?

[smoky quarry]

by a wide margin huh

[unreal light]

That’s second stat bonus xD

Wait

I’m talking about arc here

[smoky quarry]

I use hub one

[next helm]

Hub is so many enemies tho?

[unreal light]

What’s the m1 gear again? The MI?

[smoky quarry]

yes the MI

[daring dove]

Nearly maxed Supreme Chief anyway.

[smoky quarry]

Not that wide actually, if 12q is 100%, then thermite is 92%

Probably not worth etching and levelling 12q in that case

[next helm]

Are the new turrets from 1.1 better than the old turrets?

[smoky quarry]

they are

[next helm]

Do you run those for aluvium?

[smoky quarry]

well, for alluviums beams are still better

for tower defense it's flamethrowers, deluge and march gas

[daring dove]

How much resources do you actually get for setting up turrents have to be honest I never bothered.

[unreal light]

Wait my bad. My Perl uses pulser + slab, I mixed that up soz

[smoky quarry]

I removed turrets from avillum cause they messed up my tempo

[next helm]

You probably don't have to think cause P5P5 one shots everything

[smoky quarry]

3x pulser + 1 slab, right?

[unreal light]

Yes

[rugged vale]

they have limited range so 4 flamethrowers and rest use the long range turrets

[daring dove]

I never bothered using them because of the energy requirements personally.

[next helm]

4 flamethrowers on the spawnpoint rest beams?

[daring dove]

I love to maxmise battery output for my factories.

[smoky quarry]

Are you feeling bitter from the fact that every relay and zipline also consumes energy?

[daring dove]

Don't have ziplines set up either

Just teleport to the closest delivery point.

Who cares if you lose a few t-creds.

[rugged vale]

ziplines are fun mechanic wise but not useful

[smoky quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/itadori-itadori-yuji-yuji-jjk-yuji-pray-gif-12588372197177242175

[rugged vale]

I use sentry idk if beams are better

[smoky quarry]

For your own wellbeing, don't pick up deliveries from job list

[daring dove]

Only yours,

[final swan]

really lost between yvonne options, p4 navigator or p2 wedge?

[daring dove]

P2 Wedge because it's most generally useful & you'll evetually get it P5 anyway.

[outer ermine]

back on pc and im rusty af

[daring dove]

It should be illegal to play games on any platform other than the PC.

[outer ermine]

gotta do what u gotta do

mobile was hella fun

[dawn patrol]

mobile is nice for doing misc tasks like selling stuff

[smoky quarry]

Hot work or double slab for dps wulfgard?

[daring dove]

What's a DPS Wulfguard

Akekuri going to out damage him anyway.

[smoky quarry]

Okay, why akekuri ult is the most expansive one despite just restoring 80 sp and applying link?

I had a feeling that it's slow, but not like THAT

[fossil pendant]

nerfed from beta lol

[green cipher]

Its sp

[smoky quarry]

Not even full charge

[odd wren]

Mobile is fun csn play while laying down

[outer ermine]

exactly how i was playing

[unreal light]

Her ult damage is 0%

[smoky quarry]

She deals morale damage

250% dmg multiplier on bs and 144% on cs

[daring dove]

Still better than Wulfguards -5%

If you couldn't already tell I'm joking.

[smoky quarry]

Jokes are usually funny cause of unexpected punchline

There's none

[daring dove]

I dunno I found your joke about DPS Wulfguard pretty funny earlier.

[smoky quarry]

Revoke this guy's acquisition center privilliges

[regal jewel]

why is +ATK% considered better than for example +PHYS DMG%?

[smoky quarry]

different bracket

[elfin smelt]

what set are you using

[smoky quarry]

(x+y)*z
where x and y are dmg%, and z is atk%

[regal jewel]

do we have a formula overview for endfield anywhere? interested looking into it

[smoky quarry]

There's, but I never used nor searched it

[drifting quest]

there's a couple factors that go into it

A) Damage% is easier to access than Atk%, so the former becomes a lot more diluted than the latter

B) (External) Attack% happens earlier in the formula than other values so does 'technically' scale marginally better in some cases

[elfin smelt]

oh Im using a different gloves

all in BS dmg?

[drifting quest]

slab might perform better depending on external attack%

[next helm]

How much does swordmancer pog + AI differ from full AI hotworks

[daring dove]

Yeah it's mostly a question of would you rather 128.8 damage on battle skill but only 11.5% damage for the rest of her kit or 111.3% damage for her battle skill but 30.7% damage everywhere else.

I think both options are very close real world, like your ult damage is going to hit a bit harder.

But my battle skill damage will hit harder.

[drifting quest]

unless the stagger is required for a rot where you dont stagger without it in a closer to speedrun context, it's strictly worse

[next helm]

How much

[drifting quest]

no math on it off the top of my head

people dont tend to sheet bad stuff

last time SM pog got sheeted was early 1.0

[next helm]

The new pieces have AI too

so you trade the 3pc I believe for more self dps and stagger

[elfin smelt]

ohhh I see, but don't you want her BA to deal more dmg if you decide to m3 it?

[drifting quest]

self dps is negligable

the stagger is also mostly negligable

AI losses are somewhat relevant

[next helm]

30 AI gives how much breach %?

[smoky quarry]

I wonder, why iana swapped pulser set on pog to hotworks? Both are equally terrible for him if we don't account arts intensity, but at least pulser can be reused from perlica set

[daring dove]

Naw you want to focus on battle skill damage realistically since BoneKrusha set also buffs battle skill damage. So the more you have of it the better off you are.

[drifting quest]

HW can minmax a bit more AI and some Will now, thanks to new pieces

[smoky quarry]

but pog's damage share is too low for that to matter

Like, i get it, 0.3% damage increase is increase too

[drifting quest]

the will is nothingburger

the AI is decent

[next helm]

Wish I could calc stuff myself

[daring dove]

@drifting quest Would Cryo DMG & Battle skill DMG just get added together when using her battle skill? Or is it two seperate buff sources?

[drifting quest]

adds

[daring dove]

Fair enough.

[smoky quarry]

All dmg% goes into the same bracket?

[daring dove]

So there's no real consideration for either, just whatever gives you the most for the majority of their damage.

[drifting quest]

damage dealt %*

[smoky quarry]

Does susc goes into separate bracket?

[drifting quest]

damage taken % is different

susc is a separate bracket

[daring dove]

I suppose you are quite saturated then on DMG% bonus. Lemme try calc it out a sec.

[proud vector]

Bonecrusher has a nice 15% atk though

[daring dove]

So assuming the DMG% (1 stack from Bonekrusha) I'm at 260% DMG for Battle skill on Tangtang.

[proud vector]

And because of how narrow battle skill damage bonus is

The sheer number per line isn’t horrible

[daring dove]

Maybe there is a good argument for dropping some battle skill damage for Slab.

Especially when you have her signature weapon with dupes.

[proud vector]

Maybe…

But what mainstat is slab?

Isn’t it like will? Int?

[smoky quarry]

will

[proud vector]

Losing mainstat hurts a bit

Like decently significant

[daring dove]

To be fair the main stats on your off-pieces are quite small bonuses anyway but yeah the fact that she can't use either stat isn't ideal.

It's just DMG% bonuses are pretty diluated at nearly 300% of it.

So an extra 20+% main stat is likely stronger.

When fully artificed.

[proud vector]

Well I don’t have the calcs to dispute or confirm so

👍 makes feelscraft level sense

[drifting quest]

depends on external atk%

[main nova]

main stat... kinda small tbh

like if compared to the bonuses

[proud vector]

Hmm

[daring dove]

Weapon potentials are going to push Slab to being better as well logically. I guess if you're using Stanza on the team instead of Gilberta's sig Slab maybe worse. But if using Gilberta sig it'll definitely be better.

[proud vector]

But the bonuses for battle skill are not smol due to how narrow it usually is

[main nova]

in my experience in gacha i usually skip all support weapon and focus on the dps one especially game like this one

[proud vector]

like yea we talk about saturation but

40% is a beeg number

So in practice, idk I can’t just call it out without calcs

Tangtang damage distribution is wacky after all

Also yeah if Khrav has told me anything it’s that sig weapon is the real dupe mechanic

[smoky quarry]

Overdone?

[daring dove]

I mean the support weapons usually last longer.

But the DPS weapons are more impactful in the immedate term.

[main nova]

it just... the economy man...

[daring dove]

Tangtang weapon is pretty high value because it's a DPS & a support weapon though.

[smoky quarry]

I prefer versatile supports like gilberta, she'll be used in any party with burst damage potential

[main nova]

how many is it again to pull 1 weapon, 2 10 pull character for 1 pull arsenal?

[smoky quarry]

Unlike tangtang who is limited to cryo

[smoky quarry]

380 tokens per 10 pulls

2k tokens for 1 arsenal pull

[chilly bolt]

that's like worst case

[main nova]

[smoky quarry]

more like "almost always the case"

[main nova]

yeah, i cant waste it for support arsenal tbh

[proud vector]

You do get a fat 2k for pulling ember

[smoky quarry]

i told y'all that arsenal is a scam

[smoky quarry]

best part about pulling ember probably

[daring dove]

Tangtang isn't really limited to Cryo, maybe at low investment I guess. I think my whaled out Tangtang would be better than Perlica as a support in a lot of teams outside of Cryo. That said it does need to be a team that her Cryo inflictions don't mess with.

[main nova]

the whole economy man

[smoky quarry]

Can I trade in operator for tokens? No? Sadge

[main nova]

im just glad stanza was around in this economy

[proud vector]

15k Arsenal tickets and counting, 1.0 skipper gang

[smoky quarry]

wow, that's like almost one signature

[proud vector]

….. I hope I don’t turn into 1.1 skipper gang

[smoky quarry]

and there's 8 legs currently

[chilly bolt]

i have never get a sig weapon before 8 issues

always have to fucking spark it

[smoky quarry]

Cause the odds are 25/75

not even 50/50

[daring dove]

Tangtang is boosting everyone's damage by 30% potentially at high investment while providing a significant amount of damage. There's a good argument she'll end up BiS in like Rossi like team as well depending on Rossi's personal damage.

[proud vector]

Eh

[smoky quarry]

we get it, anything at p5 fucks

especially at p5p5

[proud vector]

Whale operate at different axis

[daring dove]

Not really Yyonne at P5-P5 would be useless for Rossi.

[smoky quarry]

leviathan at this point

[main nova]

well i pull Tangtang because shes the leader. but the weapon... I kinda skip it and still pulling Yvonne sig

[chilly bolt]

bad news for you

brigand is more impactful

[daring dove]

Tangtang weapon is kinda best sig rn to be honest.

[main nova]

yes, i know, but i cant kinda waste resources right now. There is the lewd thunder dragon to pull too

and i have not pull yvonne sig

[smoky quarry]

kind of low-hanging fruit

[terse valley]

what does that even mean

[smoky quarry]

the only irreplaceable signature rn is khrav, everything else can be replaced at 80-90% efficiency

[main nova]

at least i want to have 1 dps of each element first with their sig, just to take some precaution measure if they implement something weird

[daring dove]

Naw Tangtang's weapon can't be replaced at that effciency unless we're only talking about personal damage. If we're talking team wide damage BP weapon is much worse.

Tangtang's sig is the most important sig to have rn.

[proud vector]

The what thunder dragon?

H-huh?

[main nova]

btw does fangyi banner carry current pull pity?

[terse valley]

[main nova]

or it will reset?

[terse valley]

we don't even know when fangyi gonna come out man

[proud vector]

The 50/50 at 80 pulls carries

[main nova]

[proud vector]

Not the 120

[smoky quarry]

Liberi supremacy

[proud vector]

Also yeah who knowwwwws what the banners are

[main nova]

after all those date event? cmon...

[smoky quarry]

For some reason, I'm quite sure next are gonna be fangyi and mifu

story is hyping them up for 1.2

[proud vector]

Kinda inclined to agree tbh

[smoky quarry]

And I expect that liberi and sankta will appear somewhere in 1.3-1.4

[proud vector]

They seem to like putting out banners for characters previously introduced like a bit before

Excluding Laev and Gilberta

[main nova]

mifu has great assets too

[proud vector]

And then calling them back during the banner patch for more story

Which is great

[scenic karma]

i need herrrrr

[proud vector]

We got a lot more TangTang beyond water cat gremlin which is nice

[main nova]

I will call the Mifu/Fangyi banner the great mountain banner

[smoky quarry]

An acquired taste, and a very specific one at that.

[proud vector]

the mountains are not that great surely

[main nova]

i want to call it dense forest but it sounds too specific

[terse valley]

that's worse

[main nova]

[proud vector]

[main nova]

they have dense bamboo forest man

[odd wren]

[proud vector]

Ardashir save me from the wamen

[daring dove]

Who do you all think would be the best 4th slot in a Rossi / Gilberta / Tangtang team? Obviously without knowing Rossi's full kit there's a lot of speculation in involved. But I can't really think of a good 4th option rn?

[smoky quarry]

I thought rossi is played with endmin?

[proud vector]

whale power makes most things work

[main nova]

rossie seems like endmin simps she might revolve kit around him

[daring dove]

Yeah maybe Endmin to eat the vul stacks.

Or pog for SP generation & themite buffs.

[odd wren]

[daring dove]

Actually thinking about it, it would be Endmin with this weapon ideal world.

[terse valley]

what's tangtang doing here

[proud vector]

Whale power apparently

P5P5 changes things I guess?

[terse valley]

with p5p5 u don't need a team

[odd wren]

Hahaha

[terse valley]

alright it ain't that funny

[daring dove]

Endmin actually has access to their own version of Thermite cutter, kinda forgot that.

[tight haven]

it isnt thermite

thermite users dont need to consume sp

endmin does

its a significant difference

[terse valley]

it's the opposite

[daring dove]

To be fair Pog & Akekuri aren't dropping a near 1 million damage nuke like the Endmin does when she eats those stacks either.

So I don't really think that's a big deal.

[tight haven]

endmins crush isnt near that big without pog and lifeng backing them up

[drifting quest]

^^

[tight haven]

crush a 4-stack vuln without breach and lifengs susc

[daring dove]

I guess in a Rossi team it would be worse yeah, but that's why I'm torn between Endmin & pog as the last slot.

[tight haven]

you'll see its very small

[drifting quest]

you look at shatter

crushes

[proud vector]

4 stack vuln lv4 shatter crush sounds delicious
Shame it’s basically a pipe dream lol

[daring dove]

Endmin can provide upto a 21% ATK buff, Pog can provide upto a 28% ATK buff, Pog has worse personal damage but recovers SP.

[signal sundial]

what the helly

[daring dove]

Nice start shame all the pips when into the most useless stat.

[signal sundial]

[sturdy hill]

hi

how much hp does 1 str gives

[summer flower]

If you aren't using SP on endmin why it's even in team

[daring dove]

5 HP

[sturdy hill]

hm

[proud vector]

rock cancer

ATK buff and 50 return sp is 50 return sp

Joking aside yeah should just crush with endmin

[daring dove]

It would be nice if Rossi does somehow drag Endmin into being in the strongest team in the game. But Rossi would have to be really really good.

For that to happen.

[signal sundial]

bruh

i just got 4 exact same essences in 1 run