theorycrafting

[daring dove]

I kinda suspected for a whale maxed out Lifeng would be a bit of a monster. He's the only operator that scales off 4 stats & his weapon at P5 really pushes that to the forefront.

[unreal light]

Your BS creates 1 more whirl

So you either stack 1 or 2 actually

[odd wren]

You saw his patk with food?

8.1k

[civic wolf]

Xaihi Skill -> two FS -> Tang Combo -> Tang Skill?

then unload Yvonne Skill?

[unreal light]

It’s 5% arts susc that way

It really depends on how further away is your damage spike

[odd wren]

@drifting quest Ahh btw anything new on physical comps within your tc groups?

[unreal light]

You may save one sprout, before the stagger pops up

[civic wolf]

i've tried doing that rotaiton and Tang2's lagging behind on her ult availability compared to Gilb, Yvonne and Xaihi so hm

[unreal light]

So one is ready, and you do cs into bs = 10% arts susc

[civic wolf]

ive kinda been wondering if you're supposed to go all the way to 4 Cryo stacks

before unloading big damage

[unreal light]

Tangtang doesn’t care about stacks

Yvonne needs them mainly for her energy recharge

[civic wolf]

and what to do with that 1 Nature stacks that happen on every Gilb Ult? do another Yvonne Skill?

[civic wolf]

yeah that's what im getting at

do you go for 4 stacks before unloading a Yvonne skill

[daring dove]

Having P4 is quite nice might help with ultimate uptime in certain comps.

[unreal light]

Sorry I’m a tangtang player, not a Yvonne player

I don’t know the Yvonne rotation ideas

[drifting quest]

Other than publicly known stuff no

New gear, rossi bp for chen, dapan stocks

[honest hill]

whel for me till I get Lifeng

[odd wren]

[unreal light]

That’s some huge pog

[odd wren]

[unreal light]

You now can use his combo after his ulti

So he eats every single fervent morale

[odd wren]

Yeah i've been trying to do that

[unreal light]

And becomes evil pog

[odd wren]

[daring dove]

How's people's opinions on Ember still, I'm wondering if P5 with P5 Sundered Prince will make her decent.

[drifting quest]

she's better now because she can get actual value out of new swordmancer

rather than just getting set effect and less value

still not as good but like not as big of a downgrade as in 1.0

[fossil pendant]

I was just about to ask if new gear is applicable to anyone in physical

[odd wren]

@unreal light im still trying to fix my rotation

[drifting quest]

like

all of them have new gearing options

[odd wren]

The yinlung is nice for chen

107.8% ult damage

I still need to artifice her stuffs tho

[daring dove]

Cool, I'm mostly interested in building her as more of a passion project. Always had a soft spot for the useless high invest waifu's like Dahya on Genshin. Not that Ember is anywhere near Dahya bad.

[fossil pendant]

ember is a nice wheelchair

[unreal light]

Why the ai chest instead of offset I wonder

Offset chest brings Agi/ult dmg% if I don’t mistake it with gloves

[odd wren]

Im using yinlung kit

[odd wren]

Which offset is it?

[unreal light]

The one without set

[odd wren]

And how much ult dmg%

[unreal light]

The new ones of 1.1

[odd wren]

Oh i havent seen those

[unreal light]

These (old screenshot xd)

It’s either gloves or armor

[odd wren]

Ima check them later

[unreal light]

I’m unsure which one, but they give Agi/ult dmg%

[fossil pendant]

also is rossi's bp sword worth anything on chen at p5 lol

[odd wren]

This one i saw from the Chinese dude in bilibili

[odd wren]

Yep

Since his lifeng is like this

[summer flower]

looks like pog on damage build

[unreal light]

Damn I gotta redo the never rest vs therm math

[daring dove]

I find it a bit annoying how Rossi's information still isn't in the game. Really liked being able to check out the other characters prior to their "release" in 1.0. I know it's impossible to get Rossi rn but I'd still like some sort of preview.

[odd wren]

I also think he went for the frontiers set effect since his lifeng is not on xiranite

[summer flower]

dont tell me its 3 swordmancer

[odd wren]

The guy is also using p5 never rest

[odd wren]

Yes

He did a 17s clear on rhod

https://b23.tv/JvzB1xi

Here

[summer flower]

ohh

okay, for that clear 3 swordmancer might be way

because otherwise might not be enough stagger

[odd wren]

Yep

[civic wolf]

impressed and baffled at their insistence to prevent leaks by any means necessary

even CCs got screwed cuz no CC server lol

[drifting quest]

just how HG does it

[daring dove]

Yeah I bet next set of operators we won't even know their essences ahead of time.

[drifting quest]

its the same for arknights

no numbers till live

[unreal light]

My bad, these are gloves

[drifting quest]

we lucked out a bit by having 1.0 datamine letting us gleam 1.1 info

we still have a bit for 1.2+

[unreal light]

.datamine

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086674729865226/1329386702946566206/unknown-1.png

[drifting quest]

but its less than 1.1

[dry mason]

send me green jars @dry kindle

[drifting quest]

and the way they're doing it now hiding stuff by not even adding it in the files will just mean we know even less moving forward

[dry mason]

[civic wolf]

so is Last Rite sig not worth it if you have premier Yvonne already

premier Yvonne team including Tang2 and Gilberta

[dry kindle]

go away whel

[dry mason]

me p0 player

[daring dove]

It's getting to the point where short of waiting for someone else to build a character for a few days an getting their feedback. It's hard to know how good any operator is even on release to be honest. Like nobody was expecting Tangtang to have so much damage. Rossi could be very much the same or she could hit like a wet noodle. It's like pulling for a character is purely luck of the draw now.

[drifting quest]

tangtang was wildly different from pretc yeah

its why i gave up trying to pretc rossi

the video is not a reliable source of information anymore, as evidence by tangtang

until she releases nothing can be done for her that's useful

so then it'll take days to weeks to settle on her stuff

[proud vector]

what were the major differences encountered?

[drifting quest]

and by that point clickbait day 1 videos have already mislead the masses

[drifting quest]

oh boy

[proud vector]

genuinely interested in this point, i thought we knew most of how it worked just not numebrs

[drifting quest]

Off the top of my head:
Sig is a lot better than expected
BP is a lot worse than expected
Other side grades are worse than expected
Personal damage is lower than expected, but not hugely so
Damage profile is a lot different than expected
Susc is a lot lower than expected
Rotations are more awkward than expected
Team options are (slightly) deviated from hypotheticals, if not entirely scrapped in some cases
Uptime is marginally better than expected on combo
General playstyle is deviated from expectations
New gear choices lacked variety that we had hoped for dampening alternatives and testing a bit, or rather making it require more testing to exhaust alternative options

[proud vector]

ah yeah the knockoff effects of not knowing numbers

though not knowing how the watersprouts scaled with bp is

pretty major

[unreal light]

What made video unreliable, I’m unaware

[drifting quest]

numbers appear to be different than live

esp on the susc

its way lower than it looked

[unreal light]

Eh

[proud vector]

oh!

[drifting quest]

ult cost is a bit higher than on live

[unreal light]

Did they show the numbers?

[drifting quest]

and combo is a bit longer on the video

no but we (cnbros) did pixel math

[proud vector]

ok so between the time they did the video and the actual release, fine tuning was made

[unreal light]

What’s the pixel math

[proud vector]

making even the video wildy unreliable

[unreal light]

They found out what number is each symbol?

[proud vector]

ok that makes sense

[drifting quest]

% gaps

[gritty briar]

oh right, someone in cn predicted like 20%+ suscept

[drifting quest]

if no susc skill does x% of the hp bar

then post susc skill does y% of the hp bar

you can calc the % difference and try glean the susc value

but that came out wildly overshot compared to live

for a reason we dont know

might be because of sig, which we now know, id have to go double check

but i believe someone said they had her on bp

[proud vector]

its likely that they got the general kit done first, like art assets and general feel, then made video

but the numbers they Definitely played around with

honestly this gives me good hope for Rossi

[gritty briar]

maybe if we doompost rossi enough, they'll tweak her numbers until she has a 5000% damage ult

[unreal light]

Ah lmao

[outer ermine]

xira?

[unreal light]

But it could be different skill ranks

[proud vector]

like legitimately the balancing on the limited characters has been like, good to decent right

[drifting quest]

i mean even then

it was way higher

[unreal light]

You think she should have been a second gilb?

[drifting quest]

no, im glad the numbers are worse

i was malding at how high they were

[proud vector]

i don't think us thinking what it should be matters

[drifting quest]

but point was the video isnt matching live values

[proud vector]

^

[drifting quest]

so we cant really use them for pretc

[dry mason]

mix

[daring dove]

I mean unless you played for 12 hours straight an had prefarmed to the moon it was pretty much impossible to even get Tangtang built to half of her strength on day 1 as well. Really strange design choice locking all her gear options behind clearing 1.1 content.

Think I should finish Tangtang?

[outer ermine]

whats ur xai cooking lmao

i think ive been leaning towards redeem armor + xira too front tube is getting benched

[dry mason]

just like this

I mean I barely touch her

[outer ermine]

oh just unartif lmao

[dry mason]

Since Im raising 2 teams, not hyper on Cryo only

yeah

[outer ermine]

[ocean turret]

change one kit

just one

[dry mason]

But I managed to skip Triaggelos phase 2

[daring dove]

I mean to be honest, there's too many characters in competition for artificing materials. Unless you had decided to build full Cryo team from day 1.

I don't think anyone is artificing Xaihi yet.

[dry mason]

actually there are alot of players who hyper invest on Xaihi

Cryo mains

[outer ermine]

oh mines even lower

[outer ermine]

getting there

did u ever 1 phase rhod

[ocean turret]

you can skip phases?

https://tenor.com/view/you-guys-are-getting-paid-gif-14042698051802018311

[outer ermine]

u kill him b4 mob spawn

[dry mason]

yes i did

with crit

[ocean turret]

oh but it floats first tho

[dry mason]

just now

[dry mason]

you killed him before immune

[outer ermine]

holy

[dry mason]

it's kinda tricky

I will upload video later

Just finished recording

[ocean turret]

does solidification delay it from floating up?

[dry mason]

LR Combo freezes target

And Tangtang ult

[outer ermine]

hows ard on that comp btw ive only done perlica and gil so far

[ocean turret]

oh right you use tang tang

fair

[dry mason]

only useful for phase 1 and phase 2

Phase 3 I just kill without her BS

Playing with Gil means you just all in Lr's ult right ?

Since Gil can't ult for LR combo

[outer ermine]

should be, but im playing backwards

all in on combo

[inland quarry]

Why does perlica run aethertech gloves?

Why not hot work?

[outer ermine]

doesnt matter much, if u already artif intensity on ae then u dont have to switch

[ocean turret]

i lost 50:50 on tangtang

i used the free 10pull and got last rite

[gritty briar]

pull more!

[ocean turret]

i want rossi :3

[chilly bolt]

pretty sure these builds are gonna be cracked

[ocean turret]

thats strength stat

what in the world

[chilly bolt]

it gives shit ton of intensity

[ocean turret]

hot work do the same thing

[chilly bolt]

but you lose the swordmancer set

[ocean turret]

for more stagger?

only physical have stagger increase set?

or there are other ways to get increase stagger?

[chilly bolt]

intensity

[outer ermine]

my man knows whats up

u can flex xira gloves too for uge

[shadow ether]

Thinking of maxing out Estelle's stagger efficiency, damage not needed

Was wondering if anyone knows how the stagger efficiency of Swordmancer's (20%) and arts intensity on status effects (41%) interact. Is it additive or multiplicative?

[ocean turret]

i hope thats additive

yup its additive

its +20% and +41%

[chilly bolt]

oh ye how many ult gain do you need

[shadow ether]

can i ask where you found this? Genuinely curious bc I couldn't find it anywhere online

[ocean turret]

ingame?

its written?

[shadow ether]

oh shit lol

i guess I can't read

[gritty briar]

how do you know they're additive though?

they could be different buff categories

[ocean turret]

cause its says "+"

[ocean turret]

true

then im not sure

[gritty briar]

that doesn't mean anything
it also says + for damage and intensity damage increases multiply with other damage increases

well personally i have no idea if the stagger adds or multiplies

swordmancer is additive with stuff like sundered prince tho
someone here tested it a while back

[ocean turret]

thats all i can find about it

[sterile patrol]

👏

[shadow ether]

I think that supports what I think?

There's a separate stat for Stagger Efficiency Bonus which Swordmancy gives 20% of
The status-inflicting attack itself is affected by arts intensity
So the arts intensity stagger is further multipled by 1.2

I'm going to try and test it on some mobs if I can

do enemies have known stagger values?

[gritty briar]

you can find a few on the wiki

[chilly bolt]

yes for bosses i think

rhodagn has 380?

[gritty briar]

rhodagn has 280

[shadow ether]

Cannot wait to solo Rodagn with the worst equipment possible

[chilly bolt]

oh yes 280 mb

[gritty briar]

smaller enemies are on the wiki too

a lot of enemies seem to have 60 or 90

[ocean turret]

lemme ask this dude

[chilly bolt]

well boss has a long status bar so easier to see i guess

[ocean turret]

nvm i cant ask out of nowhere

[proud vector]

torture

agony

mental trauma

[ocean turret]

4 attempts

[proud vector]

....I'm out of basic HH until this goddamn battlepass gets to 35

[ocean turret]

https://tenor.com/view/must-hold-it-in-michael-scott-the-office-bite-lip-gif-16592545

[daring dove]

There is of course Sundered Prince. As well as certain character potentials. But overall most stagger increase weapons & potentials are tied to PHY related teams. Although to be fair if PHY team couldn't stagger quicker than say Cryo or Heat team they'd just fall even further behind.

[ocean turret]

weapon. but that only good for lead operators

[ocean turret]

true the stagger makes phys good overall

thats why Ember is peak😌

[gritty briar]

Idea to test:
Get an enemy with 60 stagger, apply vuln and reset their stagger bar.
Get chen with 100 arts intensity and swordmancer, and battle skill 2x. Make sure they already had vuln before you start.

If swordmancer is multiplicative with intensity:
The battle skills do 12x2 and the lifts do 1.2x15x2
(12x2)+(15x1.2x2) = 60

If it is not, then:
(12x2)+(10x(1+0.5+0.2))x2 = 58

It'll stagger if multiplicative, and fail stagger if additive

[oblique frost]

But Ember is on Exemplar

[daring dove]

Anything else that I need to upgrade on Yvonne?

I'm not using her as my controlled character.

So don't care about normals.

[shadow ether]

Rodagn first stagger point is 140

Chen skill does 10 stagger at base

With 62 arts intensity:

• If multiplicative it should take 9 hits. 1140/(10x1.2x1.31)=8.9
• If additive it should take 10 hits. 140/(10x1.51) = 9.27

check my maths please, but that's what I'm about to test

I was literally thinking up a test as well lol

i don't have the new relics so I can only get 62 instensity while maintaining swordmancy

[gritty briar]

problem is you will be hitting rhodagn with more than just the lifts. The skill that does the lifting itself does 10 stagger too so you have to include that

well, 12 with swordmancer

also the first cast won't do lift unless they already have vuln

[shadow ether]

oh fuck there's the flat bonus from swordmancy that makes testing a ball ache

[gritty briar]

oh fuck

i forgot about that too

uh, put it on cooldown i guess

[gritty briar]

do this but while you're resetting their stagger, put swordmancy on cooldown

[shadow ether]

I think your method is easier
overworld mob will be obliterated

I just have to make sure 62 intensity is enough first

[ocean turret]

test sword mancer first

without art intensity

[gritty briar]

so do a vuln, stagger them, activate swordmancy with another skill while they're recovering from stagger
then do the test

[ocean turret]

we dont know which goes first, the 20 % or the +10

does +10 add directly to the base stagger or that goes last?

[gritty briar]

the 10 stagger from lift? That's just a whole new instance of stagger

it should get affected by swordmancer

[summer flower]

stagger efficency doesnt increase damage

its just stagger amount

as far as i'm aware

[gritty briar]

yeah we're talking about the stagger amount

arts intensity buffs lift stagger

[summer flower]

it does?

[gritty briar]

so we want to know if the lift stagger buff multiplies with swordmancer or adds

[distant python]

Arts intensity boosts the stagger and damage from lift/knockdown

[ocean turret]

no i mean from swordmancer set

[distant python]

Thinking about swordmancer ember with arts intensity

[ocean turret]

oh right yea lift

[summer flower]

i dont remember reading anywhere that art intesnity does increase stagger

[gritty briar]

it's in the arts intensity description

ingame

[dry kindle]

lift

[distant python]

It's only the stagger from lift and knockdown

[gritty briar]

i think those are the only two statuses/reactions with stagger at all

[ocean turret]

if you want her to use as lead, physical damage is better

since you do most of the basic attacks

[distant python]

Yeah but you should still control ember for the stagger from basics attacks

Even if you aren't building full physical damage

[ocean turret]

you can test it

[limpid shadow]

might there be ops in the future with timing based mechanisms for basic attacks or something

[summer flower]

do you need to basic at all?

[distant python]

It gives ember skill and combo more use

[distant python]

Sundered

[summer flower]

sundered was tested already

its additive

[distant python]

Gives attack boost and extra stagger on final strike

I mean yeah it should be

[summer flower]

i was talking about test stuff

[distant python]

Same bucket kinda stuff

I was just wondering about putting ember on swordmancer in general

Now that there's actually good strength scaling pieces for her

[ocean turret]

im using it rn

[distant python]

And they have arts intensity on them

[summer flower]

how many of them ?

[distant python]

Probably just 3 piece

[ocean turret]

oh that no i havent tried

[distant python]

2 kit and chest plate I think

[summer flower]

ohh... no slab ?

[distant python]

Or gloves

Slab ember?

Hmmmm

I kinda want the arts intensity for a more stagger oriented build

[ocean turret]

what slab?

[distant python]

Compared to raw damage

I don't find damage to be an issue in the game rn

The main thing is stopping bosses from doing annoying attack patterns so I can do rotarions

And more stagger would help with this

[gritty briar]

there's no way arts intensity to buff the tiny bit of stagger from ember's knockdowns is worth it

most of her stagger isn't coming from that anyways

[distant python]

I mean, you used to just never use her battle skill anyway

[ocean turret]

oh true

[distant python]

Because you build full physical damage

Which makes her battle skill do no damage

[summer flower]

what's typical arts intesity amount?

[chilly bolt]

150

[summer flower]

if you build her that way

[distant python]

100 to 150 ish

[summer flower]

which is opposite of what is proposed

[distant python]

I mean before these swordmancer pieces

You build ember full physical damage with yinlung

[summer flower]

so what ? additonal 5 stagger per status effect at 100 intensity?

[gritty briar]

yeah

[summer flower]

built it, didnt felt good

[distant python]

I mean what were you building before then,

[gritty briar]

she's not even doing knockdowns that often

she does it on combo skill and battle skill but who even spams battle skill on ember?

[distant python]

No one rn

[summer flower]

solo ember

[gritty briar]

90% of her stagger is just gonna come from basics

[distant python]

But maybe building arts intensity makes her battle skill more worth

[summer flower]

i do use ember battle skill for QoL

[distant python]

This big thing is just being able to stack swordmancer bonus on top of sundered

For huge stagger on basics

[gritty briar]

even if you were solo ember and were spamming battle skill, such a huge portion of stagger is just coming from basics anyways
It's also not buffing the base stagger of the battle skill itself

[summer flower]

its additive

its not huge

[distant python]

And the current strength kits on swordmancer give arts intestiy

[gritty briar]

yeah i'm not arguing against swordmancer
It's just i don't think intensity is doing a lot

[distant python]

Okay so what are we building on ember then

[gritty briar]

would rather just take phys damage kits or something

[distant python]

Yeah but don't the main stats on the phy damage kits suck balls

For ember

[summer flower]

at max essence p0 sundered stagger amount is about same for sundered and swordmancer

[digital nova]

do we have calcs and updated bis gears for 1.1

[distant python]

Waiting for soup calcs

[gritty briar]

Is this not her exact stats? They're new though

[distant python]

I got her in 20

[distant python]

Ahhhh okay I will be using this

[gritty briar]

she's strength will right?

[summer flower]

yep

[distant python]

Press f for my artificed yinglung set

Also I still haven't made my 1.1 factory yet

I will do that this evening

I guess the new ai + strength swordmancer kit is for lile

Dapan

[chilly bolt]

That's same as lr

[distant python]

Most greatsword users are strength will

Snow shine is

[shadow ether]

I can't build enough arts intensity to meaningfully test this :)

It's not that important but I would have liked to know

[oak vigil]

Okay new boss was a little bit hard to trim, had to actually learn attack pattern this time due to no stun locking boss to hell lol

[oak vigil]

Yeah

[west cypress]

is ult gain really needed for tangtang?

[distant python]

The new boss is a lot of waiting and being trolled by him rearing up

[summer flower]

its not about building enough art intesity

its about finding correct operator for getting correct stagger

[shadow ether]

Reaching stagger breakpoints are the end goal ofc
For my own curiosity I was trying to test if it's additive or multiplicative

I'm sure there's better ways to build Estelle but this one is funny and I need to know

[pure spoke]

tangtang solo trimmed rhodagn https://streamable.com/rsvhm8?src=player-page-share

[summer flower]

its what?

11+11+10(this one is set bonus)

unless set bonus is also affected by itself?

then its 33

wait also 10 due to lift

[shadow ether]

this was the question i asked and can't test because I don't have new Swordmancy relics

[summer flower]

ohh

how?

[shadow ether]

These are my notes when I was trying to figure out a test

Bonecrusher Raider has 80 stagger hp

Chen's battle skill does 10 stagger and is only affected by Swordmancy
When Chen applies lift, the battle skill will deal 2 instance of stagger: battle skill and lift.
Lift is affected by Swordmancy and Arts Intensity.
Chen's first skill against the mob does not apply lift, only vulnerable, so really we only have 68 to test if Swordmancy and Arts Intensity are additive or multiplicative

Predicted number of Chen skill required if:

• **Additive: **68/(10x1.2+10x1.51) = 3.02, rounded to 4
• Multiplicative: 68/(10x1.2+10x1.2x1.31 = 2.4, rounded to 3

UNFORTUNATELY I can't restore enough SP in 15 seconds to waste Swordmancy's bonus stagger on another mob first and still skill an enemy 3 times.

So we're actually working with 56 stagger hp due to Swordmancy proccing

• **Additive: **56/(10x1.2+10x1.51) = 2.06, rounded to 3
• Multiplicative: 56/(10x1.2+10x1.2x1.31) = 2.02 rounded to 3

Killing myself
I can't build enough arts intensity to test it lol

I need to work with higher stagger hp to get a meaningful difference OR I need more arts intensity

[summer flower]

ehhh

cook target with different operator

[shadow ether]

true

[summer flower]

find operator with correct amount of stagger for that

[shadow ether]

but who

[summer flower]

I have no idea

[willow blade]

can anyone share the p5 wolf Leav's 4EBS combo?

[shadow ether]

I ran the numbers with Hazefyre enemy too and it doesn't work

[gritty briar]

if you can deal low enough damage, just stagger them and apply swordmancy before they recover from stagger to put yourself on cooldown

[summer flower]

<instert rickroll link here>

@gritty briar ehh that sounds bad

[gritty briar]

they'll already have vuln before you test if you test that way tho

[summer flower]

you can vunl with other operator

[shadow ether]

OR I could test with Rodagn

I afk till 3 bar and then mash skills

that will take a while though

[summer flower]

so basicaly probably 10 from different vunl skill, final strike from different operator, chen thingy

so 3 operators

[gritty briar]

i mean like if you waste swordmancy before the test,whatever triggered swordmancer already applied vuln

[summer flower]

first one should test if swordmancer is self buffing own effect

[shadow ether]

i was already hitting a different enemy for the "waste swordmancy first" testing

[summer flower]

so test if swordmancer trigger is 11 or 10 stagger

[ocean turret]

where you find stagger hp again?

[summer flower]

wiki

[shadow ether]

wiki

[ocean turret]

none ingame?

[summer flower]

so chen 11+11+ 10 or 11

because two times skill, and first one doesnt trigger swordmancer

least amount of stagger hp is 60

[shadow ether]

You're so fucking right
I don't think non-controlled operators can apply stagger from their basic attacks so I can use Akekuri ult

[summer flower]

60-33 27... ehhh

17 stagger operator + one 10 stagger skill on that operator

so you end up that if swordmancer doesnt boost itself its 1 stagger hp left

and stagger if it does boost itself

[ocean turret]

what about axe armorbeast?

[summer flower]

dont make it more painfull that it needs to be

[stable oxide]

isn't still better to still go full intensity on pog and xiranite on lifeng if you are not at full p5 like the guy in the video?

[odd wren]

Yes of course

[stable oxide]

ah ok thanks i was just wondering

[summer flower]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Acid_Originium_Slug

60 stagger hp

just swap weapons to bad ones

[stable oxide]

i'll just switch chen hands with the new ones and new intensity for pog

[shadow ether]

I'll have to check if there's actually a meaningful breakpoint that would differentiate additive vs multiplicative so I'm going to rerun my first test with Akekuri to battery sp first

[ocean turret]

hazefyre claw has 100stagger hp. what do u think?

nvm

good luck with the testing

[shadow ether]

It's additive

[ocean turret]

finally

[summer flower]

i already stated method

first you need to know if stagger effect is affected by stagger efficency

[shadow ether]

Predicted number of Chen skill required if:

• Additive: 68/(10x1.2+10x1.51) = 3.02, rounded to 4
• Multiplicative: 68/(10x1.2+10x1.2x1.31 = 2.4, rounded to 3

I used Chen skill on Bonecrusher Raider to proc Swordmancy's bonus stagger then used Akekuri's ult to generate the SP required to hit Bonekrusher Ambusher 3 times with Chen's battle skill. The ambusher wasn't staggered therefore Arts Intensity and Swordmancer's are additive.

[summer flower]

eh

[shadow ether]

a difference of 2 was not enough to nudge my test

so i didn't

[summer flower]

i dont think that math is correct

[shadow ether]

that's why i wrote it out for other people to see
what is the issue?

[summer flower]

forgot swordmancer effect

extra hit with stagger

[gritty briar]

he isn't including swordmancer hit

[shadow ether]

I wasted it on another enemy first, then used Akekuri to regen the SP in time to use all 3 on another enemy before it Swordmancy comes back

I should have made that clearer

[summer flower]

ohh okay

then shoul owrk

[gritty briar]

makes sense to me

[shadow ether]

I'll rewrite it just for clarity's sake

[hollow solar]

guys what gears are BiS for last rite right now?

(preferably teamed with tangtang too if it make any different)

[smoky quarry]

Nothing changed

cause tide surge was built for her

[hollow solar]

this one then?

[edgy crater]

frontier chest with ultimate damage

[smoky quarry]

Chestplate piece with ultimate or combo damage will be better than tidefall

[drifting quest]

yinglung works for a generic piece too

if you're not speedrunning

all skill%

[real mist]

chivalric is fine for xiahi right?

[echo cove]

that's actually bis now?

[hollow solar]

ic ic tysm guys!

[smoky quarry]

Lowkey hope devs will never touch etchspace again

[echo cove]

even with the int substat?

[smoky quarry]

I am so tired of this shit

[echo cove]

tbh they should make a checkpoint instead

[smoky quarry]

substats don't matter, damage bonus is too little

[edgy crater]

ye

[echo cove]

1/5, no?

main stat 1/2, substat 1/5

by substat, i meant secondary

[edgy crater]

much better than aether chest as u rarely staggered any target lol

[neon knot]

saw some whale use this build on tangtang for speedrunning lmfao

[echo cove]

well... the enemy does die too quick

[outer ermine]

which boss

[echo cove]

i don't rly spam my lr ult either tho

[smoky quarry]

catastrophe 😭

[echo cove]

i guess aside from the big bosses

[urban plaza]

Its for nuke dmg on ult

Combo piece is better with p3 or higher

[neon knot]

https://youtu.be/kvdZ1ziTTYc

[echo cove]

btw shuo, is that all skill% actually bs cs ult?

[drifting quest]

yes

[echo cove]

hoh....

interesting

[sterile patrol]

yes you can see it in the stats page when equipping said stat too

itll buff all 3 %s

[echo cove]

noted

[echo cove]

btw, isn't stat atk%? iirc a chest piece secondary is abt 80 (max artifice) stat which is like... 16%? is that really worse than whatever 3rd stat u get?

[oblique frost]

I’m a big fan of the pinned sheet
As it cuts through noise tremendously
🙊

[daring dove]

Yvonne certainly is storng

[outer ermine]

rng

[glass birch]

Its a % of base atk which is the character based atk + weapon atk. Atk% on gear is applied to that total after stat bonuses.

[tired tide]

Is this the new best gear for pog? Just asking before decing to go all in for artificing

[neon knot]

I thought pog wants arts intensity

[edgy crater]

beacon give ai

[glass birch]

82 ai is low though isnt it?

[ocean turret]

use the gloves

[tired tide]

The art intensity gloves one?

[drifting quest]

Unless some new rot has been cooked up that mandates it no

Of which Ive seen nothing

And said rot would be 1 boss only

[echo cove]

ok i get what u mean

[tired tide]

Wel ill just go back xiranite set then just go back spamming ult. gonna ask again this question later once someone did some testing.

[drifting quest]

xiranite isnt optimal either

[distant python]

What on pog procs xiranite?

I don't think he can proc it?

[drifting quest]

nothing

[distant python]

Is the pog build still not just pulsar with full AI

[outer ermine]

do we have any speedkil ard tt lr rots

sp looks fucked

[drifting quest]

hot work now

minmax a bit more will out of it

same AI

thanks to new gear

pulser is fine if you artificed

since its so minimal

[tired tide]

Just like spamming ult not optimal just fun

[distant python]

What about hotwork

Are the sub lines better

Or does it just have some more will scaling on the AI pieces

[drifting quest]

new HW gloves max out at 44 AI
pulser body maxes out at 26 AI
Plus pulser kits dont have will, hot work kits do

[distant python]

Nice

Although at what point does stacking that much AI end up having diminishing damage returns

[drifting quest]

there's no actual diminishing returns

[civic wolf]

my greatswords being too washed compared to everything else lol
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1316155485589606538/1482404407889891468/ENDFIELD_SHARE_1773503068.png?ex=69b6d430&is=69b582b0&hm=7f4f83d1b3c8f5aa2708d21d794a913bff3e7af7190f28197a30a2a22000c234&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1446&height=814

Are there even any worthwhile 6* GS aside of sigs atm?

[drifting quest]

only opportunity cost

and we never have this issue for AI stacking because like what else are you doing

[civic wolf]

...

[edgy crater]

exemplar n sundered (?)

[civic wolf]

im begging you people to not call Art Intensity AI

please don't

just, don't

[edgy crater]

both arent sig

[drifting quest]

im going to continue calling it AI

[civic wolf]

worth spending 2,4k arsenal cred for

[distant python]

Only if you are useing like dapan/ember

[edgy crater]

no

[radiant dome]

Witch is better of a Yvonne team, Gilberta or Tantang singanute wepon ?

[drifting quest]

tt

[neon knot]

is it just me or is perlica kit complete at level 60 with level 1 talents and a level 20 detonation weapon?

like i dont see anything scaling except her personal damage

[outer ermine]

yz going full ult dmg on lr w dream team

[drifting quest]

i mean perlica personal damage is relevant

but if you're doing pure buff bot sure

[neon knot]

shes pretty much a combo bot for yvonne rn...

[civic wolf]

thought about using Ember, is Ember that washed without 6* wep

[drifting berry]

Perlica does have actual damage multiplier unlike Xiahi or Gilberta (idk which team you are running)

[distant python]

She just doesn't really have a reason to exist outside of stagger spam

[neon knot]

I have gilberta... but I feel like she is not doing anything on yvonne team and id rather move her somewhere else

[distant python]

So without sundered it's like

What's the point

You are worse at healing than ardelia

Don't really have team buffs

And you aren't a main DPS in terms of raw numbers

[edgy crater]

• u need to get ember while eyja free

[civic wolf]

i already have all the permas silly

[distant python]

Imagine not having almost every until already

I'm only missing lava cause I skipped her

[neon knot]

ember is meta for red haired sarkaz looksmaxing

[edgy crater]

just say u playing with 1 hand

[civic wolf]

so is this a safe bet for tang2 artifice?

[distant python]

I mean ember does let you play with 1 hand

You don't need to move

[drifting quest]

she isnt a sarkaz

even if we go technical

shes teekaz

[smoky quarry]

Which stems from sarkaz bloodline?

[dawn patrol]

no

teekaz came first

[smoky quarry]

The other way around then

[dawn patrol]

teekaz are the progens

[drifting quest]

she's a sankta

[dawn patrol]

with no wings

[civic wolf]

.

i just want to use my tickets rn ngl...

[drifting quest]

do it if you want

just dont complain if it changes

thats how it always is

[sudden apex]

In the team of yvone, tang tang, xaihi, perlica. When I should use perlica combo? Perlica electrification only last 5 sec, and yvone ulti 7 sec. So last hit from yvone ulti is not get electrification anymore?

[civic wolf]

how often does it change anyway

[drifting quest]

whenever someone finds new stuff

that performs better

[brisk pecan]

it's still the testing phase

not everything is known yet

though once everything in the patch is known the next patch just changes everything anyway

😔

[civic wolf]

wait why is security glove prefered over the game's recommened bonekrusha glove ?

is battle skill damage > Cryo damage boost?

[terse valley]

the testing phase never ends

[civic wolf]

is it like this in OG Arknights

[terse valley]

[daring dove]

I found the ultimate damage gloves better for instances where you start with a full ultimate bar for quick clearing. But outside of that, I'd imagine those gloves are better due to limited ult uptime.

[civic wolf]

yeah but why the MI Sec gloves over the cryo damage bonekrusha gloves the game recommends?

[drifting quest]

waterspouts are skill damage so bigger multiplier on the skill damage% beats lower multiplier on the cryo damage %

i need to verify myself if the talent 2 ones count too

[civic wolf]

oh damn

is ult gain not that relevant for Tang2?

[drifting quest]

some rots need it, but so far it seems to be either go all in with xiranite and less personal damage, or go none at all

[daring dove]

Certain comps need it apparently but it depends how short your rotation is & how much damage is worth sacificing on Tangtang for it.

[drifting quest]

there's no real rots that look promising that have lower uge breakpoints right now

obviously could change with more experimentation

[civic wolf]

is this true for all of Tangtang in both LR and Yvonne?

[drifting quest]

at least as far as ive seen yes

exceptions may exist

[civic wolf]

also no reason to go for LR sig if i already have premier Yvonne with Tangtang and Gilberta, is there?

i wish i can use my LR but there doesn't seem to be much reason to do so

[torn pilot]

I mean that’s up to you really

Last rite still is one of the best teams in the game

[outer ermine]

just pick ur poison

[torn pilot]

LR is a lot worse without her sig

So if you want to use her you should probably pull for it

That being said, Yvonne’s new team is super good

[oak vigil]

Tbh Tangtang doesn’t have that bad of susceptibility application as far as I have tested (I liked the character and pulled her, all my 200 pulls are GONE)

Issue is that you need to kinda micro-manage her for 3 whirlpools, not that badly like Arclight’s micro-manage with her jumping through all hoops of combo-ebs-combo and etc etc, but you get the point

You can get 30% with p3 and 15% with p0 if I understand correctly? With all 3 whirlpools pulled

Xaihi (Oblivion)/Tangtang/Perlica (Stanza)/Gilberta (Delivery guaranteed) team might be a legit thing

Actually I can legit just make Gilberta dps team too with this setup but other weapons loool

[terse valley]

wouldn't that make tt the dps

[oak vigil]

If I am going fully for TT dps, I’ll put Xaihi’s weapon that one which buffs atk upon healing

BUUUT I’ll note that for later, thank you

[daring dove]

Gilberta can't put out anywhere near the damage Tangtang does to be honest.

Gilberta is a support first DPS second, Tangtang is a DPS first support second to be honest.

[oak vigil]

True

[terse valley]

gilberta is support first utility second dps third

[summer flicker]

tangtang p1 is so peak

😭

[daring dove]

It would be a P5 on most other characters to be honest so I get it.

[summer flicker]

its legit the best pot after p5

nah nvm

its better than p5

[daring dove]

Tangtang's P1 is similar to Ardelia's P5.

[summer flicker]

tangtang p1 literally 10% increase in damage

😭

[oak vigil]

Tbh her P3 is probably the best (I think)

Since it basically doubles the susceptibility

[summer flicker]

it +5

not double i think

p3 is 21% damage

worse than p1

p1 is 9% damage compared to p0
p2 is 14.6% compared to p0
p3 is 21%
p4 useless
p5 is around 29%

[drifting quest]

p4 has some tech r

ots

[oak vigil]

Okay so the site where I look up Endfield’s weapon/characters broke itself sob

[summer flicker]

p1: 9% over p0
p2: 5% over p1
p3: 5% over p2
p4: useless
p5: 6.6% over p3/p4

for this rot

you dont need any ult eff

because you do 5 combo

hella strong

wait, just realize no det buff for the final tornado proc

chilvaric buff everything except 4s at the start

[heady jungle]

Any new gear set to use for pog and lifeng with the new gear ????

[summer flicker]

do yall have any idea to have deto proc at the end of this rotation

[tacit torrent]

Did you ever find out which one was better?

Edit: Tested it myself.
Frontiers - if Ult is going to be used, this is the best armor piece, best for bosses
YingLung Light - for situations where Ult isn't used, best for overworld/quick battles
Aethertech - rare to match stagger windows with rotations at p1, possibly good when using LR with Gilberta to solidify groups and spam stagger executes on them

[summer flicker]

[daring dove]

Getting so close now, 1-2 more days an I'll be done.

Do you all think Cryo team has surpassed heat team now that Tangtang's a thing?

I see myself a lot more drawn towards Cryo now an never wanted to use it prior to Tangtang.

[summer flicker]

nvm

det do proc

bruhhhh

i somehow created the rotation, and miss the cyro infliction

[drifting quest]

does it proc

isnt that cryo inf soldifying

from gilb

or no

the gilb is corro

im just dumb

[neat snow]

catch up lil bro

[summer flicker]

corrosion -> tangtang cyro -> xaihi cyro later

ye it proc

but i missed it on my own rotation

somehow 😭

kms

[drifting quest]

I saw 2 nature

The second did not exist

Brain delulu

[summer flicker]

oh you mean this

it just to note where the ramp end

maygidrool

[daring dove]

This game is so pretty sometimes. ****

[outer ermine]

mega premium comp

[valid palm]

Nah, there's still one non-limited character on there

[outer ermine]

my ruan is so slow

[warped sinew]

this was first try lol

[tight haven]

nice!

yeah i found ruan yi extremely easy to trim

[chilly bolt]

Is that dps amber

[tight haven]

even doing like solo op shenanigans

[digital ruin]

Maybe some people complained on the previous 3 bosses so they extend the time limit for this new boss? It should've been 3mins or same like rhodagan

[chilly bolt]

Ruan is like rhodagn 2.0

[daring dove]

Yep DPS Amber we're playing Genshin Impact

[tight haven]

yeah 200s is crazy lol

[chilly bolt]

The amount of skill issue from the average players always surprises me

[warped sinew]

ofc it is

[neat snow]

I've still seen people on reddit saying they can't trim it lol

[digital ruin]

Idk if this is the trend then the future bosses might also be easy to trim ig

[chilly bolt]

I've never played other big gacha games than og ak, do bosses are like this easy as well?

[digital ruin]

Idk, if were to compare combat the ig should be with wuwa? Either way i also don't play wuwa

But we will see later as current bosses don't have high tier res against all elements

[brisk pecan]

i think the extra time is to compensate the reflect/orb-picking phases (or is there a way to skip those?)

[drifting quest]

the boss trend is probably
easy medium hard
v4?
rhodagn easy
dorito medium
marble hard

wuling?
ruan yi easy
?? medium
?? hard

[oblique frost]

AI = better grammar

[tight haven]

ngl

i still feel like triagg is the hardest of the 3

maggy is just so slow and easy to stagger

[drifting quest]

for anyone who can dodge dorito is harder

[digital ruin]

Same, because it has 3 phases lol

[drifting quest]

yeah

but if you consider the average player

most complaints are marble skewed

[digital ruin]

Hope they do make trimming a bit more challenging in the future updates

[neat snow]

I saw a thread complaining about dodge the other day and was surprised how popular it got. I think dodge is super generous in this game lol

[outer ermine]

we should just delete ruan from the game

[digital ruin]

Yeah lol, big hitbox, fast spam

[sour gazelle]

wuwa hologram is way harder, it's just many endfield players aren't really well adjusted to action game gameplay (even though imo it's barely an action game)

[inland quarry]

Imo what makes marble harder to dodge is the camera constantly pointing down so you can't see most of the wind up

[sour gazelle]

marble itself isn't even half as annoying as his tentacles during the first phase

[oblique frost]

Dodge spam (too) op

[summer flicker]

can yall spot if anything wrong with this rot

[outer ermine]

marble is ight ruan phase 2 has u running for balls while hes charging and throwing meteors at u

[summer flicker]

my prev rot cheat 100sp

😭

[outer ermine]

and u cant even force whether its meteors or charge

[digital ruin]

Was early wuwa already hard or the difficulty gradually increased? Because if it increased gradually then i think endfield could also do they same ig.

[daring dove]

Majority of Embers damage is still PHY right?

It's just her ult that heat?

[oblique frost]

Would be funny if next Monumental f*cks 90% of ppl here

[red stream]

is this what the new pog set supposed to be?

[chilly bolt]

well yes, but it's better if you use pulser set and have ult gain glove

[timber harness]

https://tenor.com/view/pgr-poggers-k-aren-tsun-karen-karenina-karenina-poggers-gif-22393407

[oblique frost]

Just use Examplar for max Ember it slaps with right gear

[timber harness]

karenina blast moment

[chilly bolt]

only do full intensity on pog if you can one shot the enemy

[timber harness]

typical launch confused game design kits

[red stream]

yea thats what i was working on before lmao, i guess its less Will as trade off

[warped sinew]

yeah, her battle skill and ult deal heat dmg but its the most useless thing on ember

[sour gazelle]

hologram is the equivalent of trimming bosses in endfield, it's a challenge with minimal rewards, and it's always been hard.

[distant python]

ruan yi probably has the extra time because you lose like 10 seconds as the start before the xiranite hits and makes him actually take damage

[chilly bolt]

i mean it's just a difference between running ult gain for 2nd rotation or just kill it in one cycle, but i suppose with the new ult ready feature when farming the need for ult gain isnt that much as before

[distant python]

and then theres the whole orb mechanic which eats another 10 to 20 seconds

[brisk pecan]

i'm wondering if there's a way to skip those

or do you just have to sit through that 😔

[red stream]

yea having ult right at the beginning is huge, but i guess for umbral, we start at 0 so ult gain still good for that

[smoky quarry]

I'd rather keep using pulser set cause I already have it artificed for perlica

[red stream]

yea my 2nd team im building is electro so i was like sweet 2 for 1

[smoky quarry]

If only gear swaps weren't so tedious

just add damn gear presets

[red stream]

the team selection tab should be preset with gear/weps too

[brisk pecan]

different gear/weapons sets for different teams 🙏

[red stream]

how many times i loaded up my physical team forgetting to bring over my thermite cutter

[daring dove]

Which chest piece do you all recommend for Ember?

[smoky quarry]

Maybe hotworks?

[warped sorrel]

I think gacha game is allergic to gear preset

[smoky quarry]

more like gachas are allergic to QoL

see you in 2.0

[warped sorrel]

genshin take 5yeas to create a shitty one

How long would ef take

[brisk pecan]

tbf

qol makes you less money than just making new hot anime girls

[outer ermine]

getting better

[red stream]

nah the fact that you can grind any materials any day of the week and have base gear sets to craft is a qol/feature that makes people stay. if you had the hottest girls but the shittiest grinding system idk if people would spend on new

[brisk pecan]

well

genshin has that whole infinite grind equipment system

and they're still prospering

(idk if they changed it tho)

[carmine depot]

what is arts intensity

[warped sinew]

its perfectly explained in-game, just look in operator atributes

[smoky quarry]

increases magnitude of arts bursts and reactions

[chilly bolt]

if you click on the stat in the game it will show this

[smoky quarry]

prospering is the strong word for genshin

It's long since faded into the background and ceased to be so popular. A lot of people have left, and devs haven't even finished half the story.

[brisk pecan]

ah really?

[smoky quarry]

Genshin was at its peak in inazuma-fountain

then it dropped off

never to recover, probably

[brisk pecan]

fair enough

i assumed it was still going strong since i still hear a decent amount about the hoyo trifecta

[elder skiff]

game’s still popular asf

probably because of the loyal fanbase

hyv is big on their own anyw

[smoky quarry]

Used to be predecessor everyone tried to copy

Now it's just another gacha arpg

[neon knot]

nod krai is peak so genshin is still going strong

[summer flicker]

ok i think this is most optimize for no sp cheated

maygidrool

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1462829207385149617/1480743526105878528/twitter_2024889623965827533.gif

6 cs p1 tt

[red stream]

left pulsar gloves, right aether tech gloves (for avy)
i dont really know how to evaluate, but im guessing since the main attack stat is higher its better even if i lose the bonus electric?

[smoky quarry]

Why bonekrusha infiltrators are like that

[chilly bolt]

guys opus or nav (i have gil, dont have yvonne, dont have gil sig)

[heady pine]

For Tangtang?

[chilly bolt]

no tang either

[heady pine]

So who is it for

[smoky quarry]

for who?

[chilly bolt]

im just wondering what to do with the bp box

[heady pine]

Oh

[summer flicker]

the rot above have a bit mistake, this rot should be legal now

[heady pine]

Save lol

[brisk pecan]

if you don't have anyone to use it, probably better to save it for later

[smoky quarry]

I'd say all are trash

[smoky quarry]

old boxes won't get new weapons

[brisk pecan]

no but it's not like it's going anywhere

and using it now isn't going to help

[chilly bolt]

i might be coping but opus is tempting me for building washing machine gil

[smoky quarry]

You guys actually design rotations? I just follow general strategy, it's quite fluid and is resistant to mistakes

[summer flicker]

yes i min max rotation maygidrool

[civic wolf]

so how much am i actually getting if i were to uh, yknow

[chilly bolt]

well i have 2 of them so i guess burning one for opus wont hurt

[civic wolf]

switch over from Navi to Wedge

[smoky quarry]

on who

[civic wolf]

Yvonne ofc

prydwen says 2% so im a bit skeptical on whether this is actually worth the effort

[heady pine]

It’s 4%

[civic wolf]

ugh fine i'll bite 😭

this game makes it feel bad for you to switch weapons

[smoky quarry]

I just cope by saying "I will eventually use it too"

[summer flicker]

ok all buff should be allign now, surely no mistake now

[civic wolf]

Well

I kinda missed that opportunity cuz i got soup and then soup sig lmao

that's like the one occasion navigator is useful for something but i got their sig LMAO

[smoky quarry]

you guys actually get something from weapon pulls?

I thought this is a scam machine

[civic wolf]

i went 80 pulls on it

okay sure i got a bunch of 6* along the way but i STILL have to pity that shit

[drifting berry]

Got Laev sig at 60, Gilberta sig at 80

[smoky quarry]

I only managed to ge forgeborn p1

[drifting berry]

Also like 2 Wedge, 2 of the blue useless 6* sword and 1 thermite cutter

[smoky quarry]

all tokens were spent on more versatile, normal legendaries

Like cutter, oblivion, etc

and signatures for 5 stars

Cause when I pull for 2k tokens, all I get is 10 trash weapons

Which kinda makes me mad, cause I could've bought something useful with these tokens

and you gotta repeat that 7 more times to get what you need

[civic wolf]

you'll eventually got those 6* while working towards sig

[smoky quarry]

at much, much worse token price

[civic wolf]

I lucksacked a Wedge and JET along the way to Tangtang sig

[smoky quarry]

don't forget about that

[civic wolf]

unless you really really need the weap

dont make the non-sig 6* your prio

[drifting berry]

I mean, I just don't care about anything other than signature. It would be nice to get Oblivion maybe for Perlica dps, JET for Avywenna or Sundering Prince for Amber but I don't even have the materials to build them

Only thing I would care are Wedge dupes

[civic wolf]

i got scammed by pulling 3 more weapon pulls for a selector box containing Valiant because Lifeng's wep option without Valiant is so ass

ONLY FOR IT TO SHOW UP ON THE WEEKLY ROTAITON

[wispy shuttle]

regarding wulfgard, the sheet states "You're looking for 232% and 241% ult gain for p0 and p1 Lae respectively with OBJ. Significantly improved by max pot." what is this improvement that p5 wulfgard brings to his energy requirements?

[civic wolf]

IM SO MAD ABOUT THAT

[smoky quarry]

yk what, if they sold weapon selectors for 10-15$, I'd actually buy them

[drifting berry]

I'm glad I'm saving my boxes, the only one I did get was to Thermite cutter and that one I got a dupe from pulling on Gilberta's banner

Still saving the box that has JET, and the 6* selector just in case

[civic wolf]

its really hard not to cave in because THermite and Detonate is pretty significant

[heady pine]

Combo skill immediately after ult

[wispy shuttle]

yes so what is his energy requirement with p5? but actually nevermind, because ive found further discussion where shuo clarifies that its 232% at p5 wulf

[civic wolf]

immediately ran out of my battle pass stam boosters

its so annoying building characters with how stupid expensive it got

i get that u dont necessarily need the strength but

cmon man

[sour gazelle]

it'll get better when u run out of pulls

[smoky quarry]

I have to artifice second set for lavatein cause overworld dies too quickly and hotwork feels awkward cause of that

So, as far as I understood

Ult charge for overworld, hotworks for actual challenge

[drifting quest]

charge build can outperform in endgame too

[sour gazelle]

I don't bother using ult for open world

[drifting quest]

and is typically better for umbral

id personally consider it the better set as a whole if you're only making one, but too many people have skill issue with it for some reason so it's lower rec in iana doc

[idle eagle]

is his best weapon not clannibal?

[smoky quarry]

I wonder why we don't have universal team buff pistol like stanza or detonation unit

It's all self-buffs

[sour gazelle]

it's faster ult in gamemode with no ult on entry

but that's about it

[drifting quest]

damage half of clannibal is pretty useless because his damage is mediocre in the team
the buff half of clannibal is also pretty useless because the proc condition sucks and to proc it you lose more dps than you gain from getting it

a future unit could make it better but as is wulfgard doesnt care for it

its not terrible on tangtang, though

[idle eagle]

yeah its annoyign to proc wont lie lol but it just looks so good on him i will suffer

[smoky quarry]

Do you think that wulfgad main-dps is viable in future if we'll get good fire sub-dps?

On the same level as avywenna

[drifting quest]

unlikely

any case where wulfgard is decent, other units would perform better

if you stop caring about minmax then like sure

there's a rossi setup that's triple dps with one of the dps being wulf

[smoky quarry]

Man, he's supposed to be sub-dps, why devs fumble them so bad

[idle eagle]

such a good heat applier tho!

[sour gazelle]

he'll be too broken with good dps plus good infliction

[drifting quest]

premium heat applicator yeah

which might have been the intention anyway

[smoky quarry]

by their classification, he should be good at dealing damage when consuming reactions

but in fact he's caster

with laevatein anti-synergy

[oblique frost]

Ahahahahay

Do u even play the game

[drifting quest]

he's not terrible, when you compare him to like supporters

or vanguards

he's just worse than other guards/casters and a decent ways below strikers

[oblique frost]

I use him consume M12 it’s no damage

[wind nebula]

What do you mean? Wulfgard is labeled a caster just like you said. Your description is for strikers

[drifting quest]

casters also have dealing damage

"Casters are skilled at applying Arts Inflictions and Arts Reactions. They are also good damage dealers."

"Strikers exploit Physical or Arts effects inflicted by other operators to deal decisive damage."

'good' vs 'decisive'

[smoky quarry]

.itworked2

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1394349737511096330/image-172.png

[drifting quest]

i spy a missing trimmed medal

get to work

[smoky quarry]

I coudn't make it look good on the path of glory

I prefer this arrangement

[daring dove]

Where are all your files

[smoky quarry]

also new boss is lowkey ass

[smoky quarry]

I am not in the files

[honest hill]

damnn

[brisk pecan]

where are YOUR files

it's like 330+

rn

[honest hill]

Striker in them files

[daring dove]

I haven't cleared the new content yet

[brisk pecan]

but pot5 tangtang and you didn't bother actually playing the game

😔

[ivory gale]

Anyone here can explain to me how Ruan Yi timer works? My run keeps deviating nearly 3 full seconds compared to my own recording
Here I did an Ember solo run in 3m33s but in the medal display it shows 216s (which is 3m36s)

(Cut the run from when the HP bar appears to when the last hit is dealt)
https://medal.tv/games/arknights-endfield/clips/miW2lOw70j3LWM8dA?invite=cr-MSwzVlksMjEwNTc0OTQx&v=214

[smoky quarry]

I believe timer starts the moment you gain ability to move

[wanton notch]

What does it even do

[ivory gale]

would be pretty annoyed if I get a 3m19s run and the game record 3m22s

[wanton notch]

It died too fast in the story

[smoky quarry]

jumps around

[ivory gale]

I pretty much counted that too

[oblique frost]

But consume Wulf too much fun

[narrow rover]

Has there ever been a case pf a reconvener assuming the identity of their past self? 😭

[drifting quest]

not with the ones we have seen

[narrow rover]

Like they're living healthy and happy

[drifting quest]

most of them follow similar life paths, careers, etc. and have similar personalities

but tend to identify as new people, take new names, etc.

[bronze plume]

i think we only have 1 who is actively not wanting to be like there old self

the others are just like

yeah that happened

[smoky quarry]

I wonder how it works out in case of relationships

Acquitances, friends, lovers

[narrow rover]

What if the original was like, "when i become a reconvener i promise i will keep my identity the same" and then the reconvener remembees this memory and will respect the memory so they will keep doing it for their next generations of reconveners

[drifting quest]

most relationships they would have are long past

the only example we have is warfarin and angelina/gilberta

in which we only really get warfie's perspective explained

[narrow rover]

😭

[smoky quarry]

I wonder how lappland would change if she became reconv

Apparently texas obsession was caused by oripathy

[narrow rover]

Gilberta and warfarin interacted right?

[drifting quest]

yes

[smoky quarry]

They are friends afaik

[drifting quest]

plenty of times

[narrow rover]

Lappland become trad wife

[bronze plume]

i mean i would assume warfarin has interacted with all reconveners

considering shes one of the people who is doing the research on it

[drifting quest]

given she's the one to bring them to life, yeah

[narrow rover]

Do reconveners have normal human life span or do they live a long time?

[drifting quest]

we dont know

original lives were per race

[smoky quarry]

There's a theory that originium doesn't infects reconveners cause it already recorded them in AU

[digital violet]

I've seen people playing Tang Tang as their Main DPS, do you think it's viable?

[brisk pecan]

they're in an artificial body made by warfarin

presumably that affects lifespan

[smoky quarry]

So, when originium infects someone, its conscious effort is to assimilate them

[drifting quest]

we dont know exactly how reconveners work since they could be essentially originium constructs