theorycrafting

[summer flicker]

[gaunt mason]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VfHMKZVE-z63O4RdGRMidqptlwAdYwtHJ4dJTWiO7sw/edit?usp=sharing
tldr 8-12% ish better than sundering p5, pretty much on par with rapid p5

[summer flicker]

wait a few more days xddd

i just dump like 3 more rotation for maygi to calc (cuz p1 tt change the rotation kekkkk)

[torn pilot]

damn so p5 sundering really outperforms both RA and GM at p5?

or am i misunderstanding something

this graph makes RA look ass

even at p5

[gaunt mason]

??? are you reading it right

[torn pilot]

i guess not

sorry theres a lot of info on it

[gaunt mason]

tldr 8-12% ish better than sundering p5, pretty much on par with rapid p5

[torn pilot]

and sundering was better than RA?

[gaunt mason]

p5 sundering = p1/p2 ra

[torn pilot]

gotcha

time to get a new sword for chen

. . .even tho i already leveled RA to 90

[edgy crater]

i have box cutter on p5

[torn pilot]

to be fair my box cutter is only at p2

and RA looks cooler

but GM looks even cooler

[edgy crater]

kirito sword

[torn pilot]

yeah as hell

[edgy crater]

[torn pilot]

so is it worth p5 the new battle pass sword?

it seems really good

[drifting quest]

for chen, maybe

[outer ermine]

how many times are you comboing lmao

[summer flicker]

5

in dps, 4 in subdps

[outer ermine]

dam

[summer flicker]

10s change like alot of things for tt dps

like for a 50s+ rotation, she able to do 1 more combo

a bit more sp refund

like massive comfy

[shut cobalt]

do we know how the new gear affected physical/laev team yet or needs more time?

[drifting quest]

hasnt been fully labbed out

tt is a prio, naturally

[shut cobalt]

i c, and what is the tangtang replacement for what team's char and how good is she at it? if yall figured that out already

[summer flicker]

fix most of yvonne problem(slow stack etc, feel good in overworld, mobbing)

a standin replacement for gilb(depend on rot)

[shut cobalt]

is she not good for last rite?

[torn pilot]

someone told me that last rite can still stack faster/more efficiently than Tt

[summer flicker]

lr idk, cuz im not lr enjoyer

[drifting quest]

both yvonne and lr are still on the fence for tt

but its leaning to adding her for both of them

[summer flicker]

but lr no buff

lr low dmgin yvonne team

lr mid

[shut cobalt]

i c, thanks!

[summer flicker]

in yvonne

[torn pilot]

true

[summer flicker]

tangtang can do massive dmg kekw

as subdps

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDM-fbxbQAUQlq3.gif

[torn pilot]

my physical team is hyper invested, my yvonne team isnt really yet, theyre just leveled up so far and i havent really learned how to use it yet

[summer flicker]

here yvonne tt gilb xaihi rot

[torn pilot]

my hero

[shut cobalt]

@drifting quest wait one more thing
is it safe to level the phys (dapan one) team and their weapons or could that get replaced too?

[stone stratus]

anyone try gilb/arclight/perlica/tangtang?

[drifting quest]

they could get replaced by new stuff

[summer flicker]

dont need to follow the exact rot, just need to follow like the general timeline aka watch your combo skill cd

[drifting quest]

we have no way to predict

[summer flicker]

[shut cobalt]

even if theres no new weapons/chars?
i assume there isnt anyways

[drifting quest]

if you mean currently in 1.1

we dont know anything about rossi

and dapan vs endmin is contested again

[bronze plume]

in the long run literally everything and anything can get replaced

the question is when

and does it actually matter

[shut cobalt]

i meant in 1.1, but its not like rossi will even be a thing for physical, right? from the livestream it didnt seem like she would synergize at all, yall said it here

[torn pilot]

ive never seen one of these before, help me understand how to read this

[drifting quest]

we dont know

[torn pilot]

what is c e u mean

[drifting quest]

numbers could be massively different

[summer flicker]

c skill e combo u ult

[drifting quest]

tangtangs numbers were a ways off speculative values

[shut cobalt]

i c, but could the entire team maybe change with rossi or would it just be 1 char?

[drifting quest]

we dont know

[shut cobalt]

i c, thanks

guess i'll just wait for rossi then before leveling the team at all

[summer flicker]

tangtang skill -> tangtang combo -> xaihi skill -> yvonne skill -> gilb combo -> yvonne combo -> xaihi combo(wait for tt cooldown to end before using xaihi combo) -> tangtang combo -> (wait for tangtang combo cd to end b4 using tangtang skill) -> tangtang skill -> xaihi skill -> tangtang combo -> xaihi combo(wait for tangtang combo cd to use xaihi combo) -> tangtang combo -> tangtang ult-> xaihi ult -> yvonne plunge -> yvonne skill -> yvonne combo -> yvonne combo -> yvonne ult -> wait 3s then gilb ult -> done

if you want to read a wall of text

the important thing is waiting for tagntang cs cd

[daring dove]

I was extremely surprised how much damage Tangtang can put out honestly. Especially with how bursty her damage is.

She's extremely front-loaded which is excellent.

[smoky quarry]

Is endmin fake legendary?

[bronze plume]

what does that even mean

[torn pilot]

nah hes actually mythical

[smoky quarry]

His signature is available in weekly rotation and can be dropped from other weapon issues

Which isn't true for any other legendary

[bronze plume]

im going to assume you mean isnt

[daring dove]

Rarity is irrelevant rn, some of the best characters in the game are 4* & 5* operators.

[bronze plume]

rarity literally just means

how hard is character to get

[smoky quarry]

6 star means that this character costs 120 pulls

doesn't means it's not gonna be hella mid

[bronze plume]

thats

literally what i just said

[torn pilot]

i think they were agreeing with you

[normal tangle]

the only one this applies to is xaihi and chen i think

the rest are just mid but versatile

[smoky quarry]

you slandering most of the operators, including avywenna and perlica

unforgiveable sin

you must repent

[summer flicker]

you forgot perlica

smh

kekw

[unreal light]

I believe I should change my name to Ben Horney

[daring dove]

Akekuri is pretty darn good as well.

[unreal light]

So people would come up and ask how long have I Ben Horney for

[normal tangle]

all perli does is electrification for 9s every 20s and hogs your combo bar

[unreal light]

[normal tangle]

avy not even on the list

[drifting quest]

the only bad 5* is snowshine

arclight maybe i guess

[unreal light]

Except she does absurd amount of damage

[drifting quest]

alesh is getting closer to that mark too now that tt is out

[unreal light]

You are going to be cursed

[normal tangle]

"absurd amount" decent subdps

[drifting quest]

hey i like arclight

[unreal light]

I’m doing a ritual

[oblique frost]

Ake is shiat

[drifting quest]

i play kurantaknights in arknights

[neon knot]

is there any math or strategy on how you're supose to upgrade essences? like never attempt to upgrade the "Very low chances" and only spread out your upgrade attempts on high/medium chances? or do you just yolo it and upgrade essence wtv the fk u want

[unreal light]

Bro thinks Perlica is a sub-dps

[torn pilot]

the thing is that akekuri is only good by nature of sp gen being good and her being one of the only options

technically shes kindof shit

[drifting quest]

who can agendapost harder

the tc special

[torn pilot]

just happenss to be useful because shes all we got

[unreal light]

She performs more damage than Avywenna, just so you know

[lyric latch]

Arclight was fun to play in the beginning

[drifting quest]

no strict method to it

[unreal light]

In avywenna teams

[drifting quest]

people will save gel to guarantee 5>6 taps

[torn pilot]

chen shoulda been a 6*

actually insane character

[normal tangle]

yeah that's why i said avy wasn't on the list

[daring dove]

Being the only option by default makes you pretty good though.

[bronze plume]

shes good due to the other options sure when we get new vanguards which tbf wont be hard to be better then her she will be worse but as of rn the options we have at hand make her good

[unreal light]

You also have said she’s a sub-dps, despite her contributing more than 50% of team damage

[neon knot]

probably mathemtically speaking it results in net power gained over same amount of essences used if you upgrade your whole team equally

but it all gets maxed out eventually so 🤷

[torn pilot]

sure, in that case catcher is pretty good since hes basically the only option to give protection

[drifting quest]

in one specific team following one specific rot in timelines that go on long enough*

perlica's good but the statement alone can be misleading

[normal tangle]

start with xx2, invest in first two lines until you get 300 gel to get xx3, use the rest of the gel however you want to get 663 (preferably save until 5->6

that's been the most common method

[honest hill]

Save gel for 5 to 6 it can cost like 40+ essences to get that one

[normal tangle]

not sure on the math behind it

[outer ermine]

nice game bro

[drifting quest]

i thought it was gonna be the tt bug

[neon knot]

yeah i think the chance i saw was 3.3% or something... and there's no pity counter like artificing so you're just throwing rolls away into the void

[unreal light]

The infamous BB TT bug

[daring dove]

Pretty random comparison. Catcher doesn't even generate team SP or provide meaningful buffs.

[outer ermine]

she got oneshot instead of boss

[honest hill]

you would do 4 4 1 then 4 4 2 then 5 5 2 then 5 5 3 then 6 6 3

[drifting quest]

oh it was a tt bug

lmao

i thought she was level 1

[lyric latch]

Rhoda > TT > Marble powerscale

[neon knot]

i would probably just move onto a different weapon when i hit 5/5/3 tbh

[honest hill]

u didn't whel hard enough smh

[drifting quest]

so the bug affects both tt and enemies

she can one shot but she can get one shot

[outer ermine]

amazing

[smoky quarry]

@drifting quest do you think that arclight would be good if instead of wild trekker buff she would give link?

[honest hill]

I mean if it's dps 6 6 3 if it's anything else 4 4 3 is enough

[drifting quest]

yesnt

arclights issues is not being worth the investment in rot you have to do to get her buffs

[neon knot]

for supports i dont even have matching lines for the first two, i just go for purples with 3 lines in the skill lmao

[drifting quest]

and then said buffs being just meh

[smoky quarry]

"maybe yes, perhaps"

[neon knot]

unless if its ult efficiency gain

[drifting quest]

she needs a better proc conditional

[honest hill]

Yeah that's enough but for sub dps like perlica better to invest

[neon knot]

i mostly etch for sub dps... so essence farming for endmin physical is just a nightmare

need to etch like 4 weapons....

[smoky quarry]

Seems like devs wanted her to be sub-dps

[normal tangle]

only 3

[smoky quarry]

but she deals no damage

somehow

[drifting quest]

her subdps is technically copeable if you build for it

some umbral clears go arclight perlica dps

and drop avy

[smoky quarry]

sinners

[lyric latch]

Peak

[torn pilot]

let me put it like this - akekuris combo skill condition is ass, her skill is basically unusable, she deals no damage, literally the only thing that she has going for her is SP gen lol
shes definitely low tier in terms of what all she offers a team, given that she basically only offers sp gen. the moment we get more vanguards shes very likely to get replaced

[neon knot]

can i ignore Antal

[smoky quarry]

all hail the bnuuy

[normal tangle]

unless you're trimming rhodagn on laeva, yeah

[neon knot]

unless theres some meta single target build for laevatine with antal

[smoky quarry]

She has easy condition to link and AoE heat infliction

[neon knot]

i mean... ardelia arts susc is so good for ST too...

[smoky quarry]

Man, imagine thermite cutter but with ult efficiency instead of atk%

[normal tangle]

yeah but antal is better

[smoky quarry]

Would be so much better

[neon knot]

i already trimmed this hoe already so 🤷

[drifting quest]

memes aside we gotta chill with the feelscrafting

[torn pilot]

sure but why would you ever use akekuris battle skill before any other operators battle skill

[daring dove]

If Thermite cutter didn't exist an wasn't locked behind an SP generator you might be correct. But as of right now & given her synergy with Thermite she's pretty top iter.

[normal tangle]

not better enough to be worth investing in, but all the speedruns use him

[torn pilot]

that shit feels pretty unusable to me

[drifting quest]

i mean speedruns use ake too

they drop ardelia

if we're talking laev

[normal tangle]

yeah that's what i was talking about

[smoky quarry]

Cause I want heat infliction

[neon knot]

akekuri gives link buff which makes laev skill do like 500k damage so 🤷

[smoky quarry]

(laeva)

[normal tangle]

why am i getting question marked when you just said the same thing i did

[drifting quest]

you said antal is better

which isnt true as an objective statement

hence you get a nice little red ?

[normal tangle]

context

[torn pilot]

i would argue thermite is more of a crutch, its not like other classes dont have very strong weapons for supporting their team too. and being required to generate sp for the buff is more like a condition than a benefit

[normal tangle]

i said antal is better than arde when trimming rhodagn

[neon knot]

i think he said Antal is better than ardelia for Laevatine in single target meta speedrunning strat

which i have no way to verify so 🤷

[drifting quest]

which isnt true either

oh

arde

[neon knot]

could be true, coudl not be true

[drifting quest]

sure

[smoky quarry]

There's stanza, and that's pretty much all

[drifting quest]

you were implying over ake

[neon knot]

no no, we were talking about over arde

[drifting quest]

or i misread

in that case my bad, sorry

[neon knot]

Laevatine, ake, wulfgard, antal

[drifting quest]

two different convos got mixed between them

[torn pilot]

nah there are a ton of support weapons fym

[neon knot]

over laevatine ake wulfgard ardelia

[torn pilot]

like actually a ton

[smoky quarry]

They scale damage%, numbers look big, but actual dps percentage increase is minimal

[daring dove]

At the end of the day, saying X character is mid because X future unknown totally random character might replace them easily isn't really an argument. Akekuri rn is one of the best characters in the game. When she gets replaced is kind of meaningless assumptions given how little we know. It could be 7-8 months before we get a better SP generator it could be 1 month.

[torn pilot]

i dont agree that shes one of the best characters in the game

[neon knot]

god give me my fucking 6star heat infliction vanguard as premium support for laevatine please so i can kick wulfgard out

[drifting quest]

she's definitely not one of the best

but she is good

[torn pilot]

but i see why my argument wasnt really founded with a good innitial point

since i was mostly riding on what someone else said

the thing is that teams which use akekuri use her because its all they have, like a "Crutch" except not really because those teams are reasonably still good without ake

[drifting quest]

its pretty useless to try rank units in an order anyway

[torn pilot]

that doesnt necessarily make her one of the best characters in the game

[drifting quest]

what's best is dependent on the conditions you make

[torn pilot]

someone like pog makes akekuri look like a joke on the teams hes used in

[drifting quest]

best for one set of conditions is useless for another

[torn pilot]

[neon knot]

god imagine pog with heat inflicetion on combo and skill just give it to me already

[smoky quarry]

shuo, can you think of any arclight buff that could place her into electro/pyro teams as comparable akekuri alternative?

Just curious

[neon knot]

and also was hot and a tall woman

[drifting quest]

better proc condition for trekker, more generic buff type, better buff type, additional buff access

probably needs to be a couple if not all

better sp gen too, realistically

easier proc conditions for sp

[smoky quarry]

i don't feel any sp gen with vanguards tbh

except for akekuri ult

[neon knot]

just give me reconvener reed fr

[smoky quarry]

Like, I have internal feeling of the sp gen tempo, and vanguard don't affect it at all

[bronze plume]

nah we need a 2nd eyja imo

[unreal light]

Eh? What vanguard have you played?

[bronze plume]

ak has 2 eyja why cant we get 2 ardelia

[neon knot]

im okay with an ifrit

bbq the enemies

[smoky quarry]

say thanks that ardelia is not having helen keller experience this time

[bronze plume]

thats weird way to spell eyja

[smoky quarry]

arclight and akekuri

[unreal light]

Arclight has a gimmick, if you work around it, you have overcap of SP

[smoky quarry]

yea, combo with close to no downtime, with one little issue

[unreal light]

The gimmick is called hold second Perlica CS until the stagger bar is filled

[smoky quarry]

generating electrif in such amount is kind of difficult

[unreal light]

You need two electrifications

Do one at the start of the fight

And just hold the second one for like 7 seconds

[drifting quest]

arclight is at a net negative for sp gen

[normal tangle]

idk man

[smoky quarry]

what exactly do you achieve with this rot

[drifting quest]

i was corrected after and apologised, yes

[normal tangle]

my bad i was gone until like just now

[smoky quarry]

aren't all sp gens like that?

[drifting quest]

no

[smoky quarry]

none of them return more than 100%

[normal tangle]

as long as it's all squared away we're good

[unreal light]

So what

[drifting quest]

it was the ongoing ake convo + tabbing out to miss the context

was my bad

[smoky quarry]

I mean, combos, bs and ults are not free sp-wise

usually

[drifting quest]

not free as in you have to do stuff to get them yes, but free in that they don't interrupt the normal timeline you're doing anyway

arclight has the issue of having to go out of your way to interact with them and diverge from typical/more optimal timelines

so you end up at a net loss trying to do it

its the same for arclight buff

[smoky quarry]

tbh, Avywenna - Perlica - Arclight - Antal party was more fun, cause you had a lot of options and no stable rotation. Do you want to apply electric inf, consume electrif, refresh mark, ult, etc

[unreal light]

Is wait is it like good or bad or what

Who told you sp negative is bad

[smoky quarry]

Avy - Perlica - Ake - Gilb is pretty much braindead

[unreal light]

What are you going to spend your SP on in Avywenna Perlica team?

[drifting quest]

other vanguards can be sp positive

[neon knot]

i should build avy... but i feel like by the time i finish her Zhuang Fanyi might be available and mog her ass as the true electric dps carry

[unreal light]

Sooooo?

[smoky quarry]

I am not getting catfished

[drifting quest]

stacking for gilb
higher damage skills if its just for damage
setting up combo skill procs, etc.

[stone stratus]

tangtaang p1 worth pulling for if you're going main dps tang tang you think?

waitttt yall do you think the pink hair women is going to be electric?

i might just save for her

[unreal light]

You know you stack 3 electro by using Perlica Bs three times
And 4th electro by using Avywenne spear

What else do you spend your SP on?

[smoky quarry]

no idea

designs of new characters do not correlate with their element

tangtang looked like phys

[drifting quest]

perlica bs 3 times
300sp is a lot

[inland quarry]

What gear does xaihi run now?

[drifting quest]

but then you can burn it with a gilb bs if needed

4 corro

[neon knot]

no, i'm willing to bet real money Zhuang Fanyi will be electric and it would be weird if mifu was electric too

[drifting quest]

good buff

[stone stratus]

wait who is the one with the gauntlets?

[smoky quarry]

They are probably supposed to work together

But I want birdie

[normal tangle]

mifu

[bronze plume]

mifu

[stone stratus]

oh so you think mifu will be a diff element?

[normal tangle]

twin her name is Fangyi the Lightning Rod

[stone stratus]

why is zhuang fanyi electric?

[normal tangle]

i don't think her element is up for debate

[bronze plume]

i just want

a 4th nature character

[neon knot]

i mean it'll be lowkey kinda funny if they announce her as Nature or some shi

[next helm]

Bro skipped the cinematic

[bronze plume]

cant even do full team of nature what is this

make dapan nature again

[warped sorrel]

must be physical

[unreal light]

That’s 7 battle skills total

And you can fit 9 battle skills in 50 seconds

[smoky quarry]

fanservice is gonna be wild with this one

reminds me of a certain fox from zzz

[unreal light]

Only Russians call electrification electrisation tho you know right?

[smoky quarry]

it applies to most of the slavs

[unreal light]

Most of the Slavs are Russians

[glass birch]

Watch mi fu be nature

[bronze plume]

id be both happy and sad

well

anything is better then a 50th physical

[smoky quarry]

can we delay mi fu and fangyi to 2.0

i really want lycia

[bronze plume]

i swear they made rossi physical just to make 1 physical character each patch

[glass birch]

She's "physical" while being mostly a heat burst dps

[bronze plume]

they did it to not powercreep there poster girl for endfield

[oak vigil]

So I have been testing it out a bit more, I lowkey will ruin my cycles if I get Arclight’s p5, since her passive will trigger each 2 ebs, but I need 3

[bronze plume]

until we get wisadel doing 5 morbillion dmg

[unreal light]

Avywenna is a phys dps yes yes

[smoky quarry]

basic attack deals phys damage, checks out

[bronze plume]

well shes not

[unreal light]

Just run her with pog

[bronze plume]

.clueless

[neon knot]

is it time to reartifice

[bronze plume]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[glass birch]

https://tenor.com/view/yvonne-endfield-glowing-eyes-scheming-lovestruck-gif-17947922141892207887

[smoky quarry]

Yo, iana is updating guides already

[neon knot]

i mean this is my old build...

[oak vigil]

Avy phys team where you don’t use her skills at all and rely purely on phys susceptibility for no reason at all

[smoky quarry]

Man, I really want to know what this rotation achieves and htf do you play it

[smoky quarry]

just replace chestplate

[neon knot]

stare at ember when she gets hit then when you're done switch over to laevatine to clear the stage

[neon knot]

so like this? or redeemer chest now

[inland quarry]

Why does the team sheet call for aethertech gloves on perlica instead of hot work?

[bronze plume]

redeemer chest

[drifting quest]

its pure overworld team

laev wulf is for combat

pog is for faster sprint

ember is to not have to dodge

thats it

it sucks in any real content

[neon knot]

is there some special breakpoint that redeemer chest gives you with the 18% ult eff gain?

otherwise i'd rather have just a normal offensive stat instead

[dusk isle]

More int than tide surge

Gives +3% more atk at max artifice

[drifting quest]

shaves off 1 extra combo skill per ult

[inland quarry]

Hot work gives some will while aethertech offers no useful stats for perlica

[dusk isle]

Oh wait you mean the hotwork chest

[drifting quest]

2 ebs, 2 combo, 4 team skills

vs 2ebs, 3 combo, 4 team skills

[honest hill]

Redeemer chest

[neon knot]

cant wait to burn another 60 catalyst to artficie this thing

[bronze plume]

you get it done in 60?

[neon knot]

im being conservative

will probably take me 80

[bronze plume]

me when i fail literally every single chance

[neon knot]

well last time i full artificed it took 200 catalysts... so average 50 a piece? idk

[bronze plume]

man does having ult refresh in everything make it go by fast af

[neon knot]

honestly i dont think i can move away from 230% ult gain efficiency lifeng... its just so much vuln stacks for free

[sudden lichen]

what's the current ideas about tangtang?

[neon knot]

very strong, super unique support skill (time freeze)

[sudden lichen]

for last rite I feel like she doesn't really fit since she can't replace anyone without losing arts vul of sorts

[bronze plume]

she buffs the overall dmg for vyonne and last rite

[warped sorrel]

i think this is a bug

[bronze plume]

thats uhh

that

[sudden lichen]

last rite already has easy cryo so that part isn't too necessary

[neon knot]

she also acts as a good sub dps to actually do damage outside of your mega ult phases

which is useful in of itself

[bronze plume]

why would it be a bug

[sudden lichen]

for Yvonne I feel like she can be good though

[warped sorrel]

idk it doesnt seem to make sense to me

[sudden lichen]

I'll remove ardelia to have yvonne, snowshine, xaihi, and tangtang

[bronze plume]

why

[neon knot]

i mean if you told me in any other gacha timer slop game there is a unit that time freezes the boss to prevent it from phase changing for 5 seconds, that would be considered an SS tier unit by that metric alone

[bronze plume]

its just you transferring 1 resouce from a region to another

doesnt matter if said region can actually make the resource or not

[sudden lichen]

I'll be able to quickly build up her whirls with parries, while building up xaihi's combo. Then when I reach 2 whirls and xaihi combo, I can unleash tangtang skill into yvonne full meal course+xaihi ult

[neon knot]

like tangtang striaght up breaks the rules of the game for some reason and its hilarious

[sudden lichen]

and using tangtang ult to freeze the boss for the end of her ult

[warped sorrel]

valley Iv has no copium ore but i can send both the ore and the part to Wuling with metastorage which generate them from thin air to Wuling

[neon knot]

like when rhodogan gets cut down to enough hp and you tangtang ult him he literally does not perform the phase change until the ult wears off

[bronze plume]

thats accurate

[sudden lichen]

Yeah I want to do that for my hitless rhodagn

but I need to have tangtang sig first

[neon knot]

its super unique debuff, but who knows if future debuffs will also have time freeze built in

[sudden lichen]

currently she barely gives 9% arts vuln

[warped sorrel]

other wuling thing doesnt list here accept the copium thing

[neon knot]

like in hi3 when they first introduced time freeze domain mechanic all other valks were trash if they couldn't perform it

[sudden lichen]

compared to losing 20%+15% arts vuln from ardelia this is tough

[neon knot]

but that time freeze actually froze the countdown timer so 🤷

idk, her personal dps easily makes up for the vuln

[sudden lichen]

as a sub op?

the gear I made for her has a high skill dmg boost at least

[neon knot]

yeah she has shockingly high damage for a sub dps

[sudden lichen]

using the vanguard -15% combo cd for reliable 3 whirls

[neon knot]

even her ult multipliers are really big for some reason

[sudden lichen]

I grabbed the new gauntlets that give agility and 40% ult damage iirc

[neon knot]

i'll need to see some other people's math of how much of the dmg pie she contributes

i think this is what im running

but people are still working out her best build

[sudden lichen]

removing ardelia means I'll get stupid though, I'll put her gear on snowshine, so whenever I use her parry she'll buff my team damage (from protection)

[summer flicker]

like ~25% to 30%

[neon knot]

yeah, thats a lot lol

[sudden lichen]

mmh, I guess that's more focused on damage

[summer flicker]

she deal ~900k in yvonne team iirc (yvonne deal 3m1)

and she deal 1m in lr team iirc

still early tc

number could change but she deal real dmg

[neon knot]

her ult cost so low she doesnt even really need ult eff gain

[sudden lichen]

Would you say the vanguard gear is a bad deal for her?

[summer flicker]

you need it

kekw

[outer ermine]

sponsor me

[warped sorrel]

sadly her ult is 20s

[neon knot]

oh, how much ult gain you need

[outer ermine]

gib me artifice nowww

[summer flicker]

depend on rot

kekw

could be a lynx glove, or could be a ult eff body

[warped sorrel]

P5P5?

[smoky quarry]

so, 🍺 gameplay

[honest hill]

if u get sponsored what u going to do

[outer ermine]

ill play phy

[sudden lichen]

question, does the arts vuln cumulate, or is it only one?

so 4.5 or 9, or 13.5% total with 3 whirls

[summer flicker]

you mean art susc?

art susc is additive, like gilberta art sus + tangtang art sus

[sudden lichen]

I'm talking about tangtang skill

does it apply both, or only one depending on amount

[summer flicker]

her skill apply art susc

10 for 2 whirlpool consume

5 for 1 whirlpool consume

[neon knot]

so something like this? (new body gives Agi / str /ult eff)

[sudden lichen]

I know that, I'm asking if it cumulates or not

[summer flicker]

yes either that, or a different body with ult eff lynx glove depend on rotatiaon

[summer flicker]

i just answer you, its additive with gilb ult

[sudden lichen]

[kind nebula]

no, they mean whether the arts sus for 1 whirlpool stacks with the arts sus for 2 whirlpools

[sudden lichen]

her skill

[summer flicker]

and no it not cumulate, what the point bruh

????

[neon knot]

ew... lynx glove

[sudden lichen]

to do more damage, that's why I asked

[summer flicker]

you lose out damage if you dont 2 combo -> skill/ult

[neon knot]

damn... i should just wait until 1.2/1.3 to artifice cause we'll get new non-set gear that will be good matches for other stat lines

[summer flicker]

bruh 😭

[sudden lichen]

I feel like you still didn't understand what I was asking about

[smoky quarry]

and they are gonna add some plutoranium component this time

[normal tangle]

are you talking about this?

if so, it's 10% total not 15%

[summer flicker]

you can just test that in game, cant go ingame right now
you mean cs skill cs ult right

[normal tangle]

5% per spout

[unreal light]

It’s non-cumulative

5 and 10 respectively

[sudden lichen]

alright, so it doesn't cumulate, thanks. Guess it's lower than I thought

[summer flicker]

just test that ingame, it will just replace the 5 and place the 5 again

kekw

[sudden lichen]

per whirl

[summer flicker]

that would lose you dmg even if it work

[normal tangle]

same thing

[unreal light]

Except they’re different things

[sudden lichen]

guess you didn't get tangtang

[unreal light]

[stone stratus]

https://youtu.be/jUWWVDtufAQ
anyone lmk if this team looks like its good?

[normal tangle]

semantics that don't matter because literally everyone here knew what i meant bruh

0 confusion

[unreal light]

Yeah you meant spouts

[normal tangle]

whatever tf the combo skill is

who cares about the name

[sudden lichen]

it matters when you mention 2 different things

[normal tangle]

whatever man

[smoky quarry]

new tangtang combo

[sudden lichen]

bean soup

[lost dirge]

How’s the verdict on Tang2 rn?

[smoky quarry]

cancer

[unreal light]

These are level 55 mobs you’re running against

[unreal light]

Wife

[lost dirge]

Polarity at its best

[unreal light]

I mean it all looks good as long as you’re satisfied with what you have

[lost dirge]

Oh maybe not

[smoky quarry]

I can't get rid of the feeling that tt is looking and behaving childish

[sudden lichen]

I feel like tangtang is unusable as a point op, but seems good for sub

[warped sorrel]

it does look pain to play tho

[unreal light]

Yvonne does that too

Does that mean she’s a child or something

[smoky quarry]

no?

[unreal light]

Yea?

[neon knot]

you think hypergryph will add a way to "refund" catalysts on gear you dont need anymore

[unreal light]

Look up her story and abilities

[sudden lichen]

send in survey feedback

[neon knot]

it will be good qol

[unreal light]

Her bs is literally called Brr-brr-patapim

[smoky quarry]

1. she looks like adult
2. behaves like a dork

[unreal light]

So does tangtang

[warped sorrel]

she literally has those huge melon

[smoky quarry]

You'll reuse it eventually

[unreal light]

You’re melon

[warped sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[unreal light]

You know what melon gets

[sudden lichen]

I'll probably have to remove perlica for last rite team when I get tangtang sig

but I still couldn't get it

her pot 1 seems insane too, much shorter combo

[glass birch]

Not the same thing btw

[normal tangle]

me when i'm 3 decades late to a conversation but i join the dogpile anyway so i can gain coolguy points

good work man you really convinced your friends

[glass birch]

11 mins aint that bad

[unreal light]

Nooo you have no right to write anything if a message was sent more than 8 minutes ago

You’re literally necroposting

[sudden lichen]

I randomly got 1mil damage with last rite, turns out it wasn't hard to get after all
But can yvonne reach that amount again? I'll need to keep building the team

[fiery dagger]

are these good for Yvonne?

[golden rapids]

Is this a good place to ask how do i trigger a quest, every yt solution I found is incorrect

[sudden lichen]

doesn't look like it. She wants batk %

[neon knot]

doesn't yvonne already have perfect gear efficiency

[sudden lichen]

yes

[normal tangle]

rossi gear most likely

[normal tangle]

when you're just repeating the same thing the other guy did 15 minutes ago, yes it's completely useless input

[neon knot]

its good for chen/tangtang, even endmin and wulfgard can use it

[fiery dagger]

[unreal light]

Except it was 9 minutes ago

[normal tangle]

no other purpose but to dogpile for coolguy points to fit in by adding punches to the punching bag

[sudden lichen]

for yvonne I switched one of the crit kits for the new kit

[normal tangle]

yeah that makes it so much better

dumbass 😭

[fiery dagger]

oh yeah right she scales out of basic attack
but I thought ultimate damage would add to that for more damage

[unreal light]

You don’t have much friends do you

[sudden lichen]

the ult damage would only add to the small %

while batk gets all the boost

[outer ermine]

@dry mason funni stuff

[unreal light]

Sorry for catching your second overexaggeration in a row

[normal tangle]

LMFAOO sure dude

whatever makes you feel better

[unreal light]

🥱

[outer ermine]

idk wtf they fixed on mobile but they did good

[neon knot]

god im so looking forward to 1.2 and how much it'll fuck up my current artificed sets (like genuinely excited)

[sudden lichen]

got this for yvonne instead of two crit kits

[neon knot]

my wulfgard looks so funny with his oven mitts

[unreal light]

No Agi, not a Slab

🤔

[ocean hawk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1rs83no/supreme_chief_is_broken/

what did they feed my SoupSoup

[neon knot]

kicked her right in the achilles

[sudden lichen]

is this bad gear for her?

[ocean hawk]

😭

[neon knot]

I've actually seen people suggest running this as a viable build

[sudden lichen]

oh really?

[neon knot]

but mostly just feelscrafting, no clue what the numbers are

[edgy crater]

recover != refund tho

[sudden lichen]

that's good to hear

[edgy crater]

unless hg change it

[sudden lichen]

yeah, it's purely for combo cd

[unreal light]

82% cs damage is ridiculous

[neon knot]

do the whirlpools count as combo skill dmg?

i thought they count as battle skill dmg

or am i high

[sudden lichen]

wym? this is what I'm using

[summer flicker]

noice

[sudden lichen]

as in bad, or good?

[summer flicker]

lynx slab

[rare rover]

practically every character can hit 1m if they're invested enough, the real bar id say is 2m

[sudden lichen]

is it better than the batk boost?

[edgy crater]

2m == crit fish

[dusk isle]

fih

[rare rover]

ASK MY LAEV TO CRIT NICELY DANG IT

[edgy crater]

no, now eat ur 40 gingseng with 0 crit

[rare rover]

i am SO sick of seeing 1471585

and no i only use jakubs

[ocean hawk]

is this the cryo infliction bug ?

[summer flicker]

yes

[ocean hawk]

bruh, its literally the same hifumi (i think) that mentioned in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NPGuDOry4Q

[dusk isle]

Bro goes to the fishing spot without a rod

[unreal light]

I don’t judge you, you do you

It’s just that her cs damage is one of the lowest, being 240% at m3

And you double down on it, instead of getting some 02 tubes, that give you mainstat Agi and substat 27% each

[edgy crater]

trust in xiranite meatball lmao

[sudden lichen]

oh, uh, I see it's over +50% damage upgrade

[rare rover]

[unreal light]

Look up Slab kit from Lynx Set

Third line stat

[neon knot]

what are you guys crafting in the MTG? I have mine split between op exp and weapon exp cause of the operator skills

[lost dirge]

Just had time to look at tangtang's number, and gotta say, it's disappointing

[dusk isle]

Is this on rhod

[rare rover]

heck no, marble

[dusk isle]

Guh

[rare rover]

id loathed to do it on rhod

[dusk isle]

Imma try my dmg numbers when i get home

[sudden lichen]

mmh, it was more for default to have the cd reduction set

[dusk isle]

Tang2 banner was extremely profitable for me

[outer ermine]

no

post bug

[rare rover]

remember kids, we use jakubs

[sudden lichen]

but I guess if I skip that, there's better stuff to use

[ocean hawk]

wait what ?

i dont understand

oh

OH

[drifting quest]

tt has a bug that lets her one shot

[ocean hawk]

its already fixed ?

[unreal light]

Casually doing >1000% damage on her BS

disappointing

[drifting quest]

but also lets her get one shot

that isnt patched

[ocean hawk]

is this the marble one ?

[drifting quest]

yeah

it happens elsewhere too

still no idea what causes it

[unreal light]

O2 tubes are in the cd reduction set

[neon knot]

wait I was so confused why Tangtang just instantly died when essence farming, so she just randomly gets 1hko'd??

[drifting quest]

yeah

off field only

afaik

[neon knot]

damn she enters a death pact with the mob she fights and just rolls the dice... that's metal

[outer ermine]

chief wants to be controlled

[unreal light]

Corrected

😭

[sudden lichen]

oh right, and agility in main stat makes it equal, but better secend stat boost mmh

[lost dirge]

I'm not looking for another cryo dps, I'm more concern about utility

[neon knot]

imagine if that was an operator skill "have 1% chance to instantly kill the enemy and the enemy has a 1% chance to instantly kill you"

[outer ermine]

ba, reset better than 5% on full rot

[neon knot]

bro wtf is Haste.

Why doesn't it give attack speed buff too, smh

this implies theres going to be a unit that gives you haste buff via battle skill and will be SS tier in exploration content

[unreal light]

10% arts damage taken on p0 sig
5 to 10% cryo susc
Refunds some sp, applies slow

[unreal light]

Some characters do increased damage against slowed enemies

[neon knot]

do they do extra damage with speed increase? would be kinda sick lmao

[lost dirge]

Let's be real, that slow is not relevant. and sp refund per 30-ish second is again, not that relevant.

[unreal light]

Some characters do increased damage against slowed enemies

[lost dirge]

who?

[unreal light]

Fluorite

[unreal light]

You’ve said utility, but you cross out the utility you don’t like

[lost dirge]

relevant

[unreal light]

If you like the optimization so much, feel free to pull for p6p6

[sudden lichen]

anyway, tweaked my gear a bit, thanks

[unreal light]

So she applies 17% arts damage taken

And 15% susc

[sudden lichen]

now I just gotta sacrifice a goat to get tangtang sig

[lost dirge]

hey, let's build fluorite mega dps for a slowed team with tangtang

again, relevant

[summer flicker]

its not 30 ish second, its 24 ish

😭

[sudden lichen]

I just hope we'll get a good greatsword in updates that gives team buffs so snowshine weapon isn't garbage

[lost dirge]

brother, you gonna be second-precise during combat

[unreal light]

“Nooo please don’t play the game in the way the game allows you please or I’ll call it irrelevant”

[summer flicker]

how skill issue you gonna be to be 6ish second later in the rotation

😭

that's why i say 24 ish

you can be like 1-2 s behind but 6s, 😭

[sudden lichen]

triaggelos moment

[lost dirge]

6ish, but okay, let's make a few second a big deal. still, again, what great utility

if you find it good, great for you

[unreal light]

If you don’t like her, don’t pull her

[summer flicker]

dafug you mean, its good in the rotation 😭 , make the rot smooth bruh

[unreal light]

🤔 🤔 🤔

[unreal light]

The faster the rotation, the more the dps

[lost dirge]

again, irrelevant. Talking about her kit, not whether I like her. You seems biased toward her.

[summer flicker]

her kit is good
fix yvonne core problem: no immediate stack caster, enemies move out of yvone combo, etc

a caster that give cheap stack per sp

[lost dirge]

Anyone know how much time yvonne and LR's full basic take?

[summer flicker]

yvonne is 3-4s according to end-axis maygidrool

[unreal light]

It’s not bias, I say that about any character

[lost dirge]

yeah, but that doesn't have anything to do with kits. This is tc

[lost dirge]

Thinking how that would work in a 12 cd

[unreal light]

Who said

You also don’t seem to decide whether it is TC or whether you cross out the utility and damage, just because you don’t like it

[sudden lichen]

yeah, tangtang is most appealing for my yvonne team

[drifting berry]

Yvonne should be between 2.95s to 3.00s

[summer flicker]

here, just look at the rot

maygidrool

[drifting berry]

How did I time it so wrong

[summer flicker]

cheap ice stack, can afford 1 4 infliction rot for yvonne, instead of waiting for the 7 battle skill

[drifting berry]

idk I keep getting 3.35 seconds for Yvonne

[gritty briar]

Are you ending the timer right as the last strike lands or something?

end axis time should match from start to right before the start of the next chain

well, i say that but i'm pretty sure their arclight time is wrong

[drifting berry]

I start the timer when she starts her animation and I end the time when she lands after she does her last strike

[gritty briar]

What i do when i time things is i time two full chains and i pick a point, and time from that point until 1 frame before that point repeats

and for the few ops i've tested i've matched end-axis numbers except for arclight

[drifting berry]

makes sense

[gritty briar]

i havent tried yvonne though so idk

it's not impossible that they could be wrong with her too

[manic jay]

anyone know if Akekuri link buff works on Tangtang's ult dive + waterspouts?

[drifting quest]

needs testing

on the list to do

[warped sorrel]

this is very funny

[drifting quest]

just one of those teams thats a lot more miserable to try do without investment and all

tt makes it better but atp you can do tt hyper and clear story early easier

[drifting berry]

Last Rite early game was the whole reason why I pulled for Laev while having no idea if 120 pulls were possible

Horrible experience

didn't notice they added tt already on the iana's spreadsheet

Justice for Yvonne 🔥

Finally out of T1

[lost dirge]

They haven't update LR's team yet? Feel like TT would be there for sure.

Rotation there look seamless.

Easy 4 stacks and corrosion cycle, and with Tangtang's sp return, should be enough sp too

[drifting berry]

they updated LR gear so they probably also update her gear

[drifting quest]

a) they're one person it takes time
b) tc is still ongoing they're only slowly adding stuff when it appears to be a given
c) lr tt is a lot more contested right now

[drifting berry]

Tho tt doesn't seems to be included into her yet due to rotations and stuff

Yeah, if those cc that have multipler people working on guides have not made any videos you can imagine one person alone

At least if I remember correctly Guoba mention having someone making the math or helping making the math

[lost dirge]

I want the combat drill to enable us to make customize team

next survey

[summer flicker]

you mean preload?

[lost dirge]

nah, combat drill. when we get to test the character? make it so we make our own team to test instead of pre-made one

[drifting berry]

They probably will not add it because only a small percentage of player will benefic from it.

Most people and specially because we don't get any multiplier of the character before it releases, will have no idea of what teams to test and will have an impression that the character is weaker than what it actually is.

Also because we are on discord and you can just ask, but if you are outside of Endfield's discord the next best source of information prob Youtuber and or Reddit and chances are you just get misinformed looking info day 1.

[native aurora]

Hi! What would be the best build for Tangtang?

Xiranite? with any new pieces? or any other set?

[drifting quest]

we dont know for sure, most promising rn is new bonekrusha gear

or xiranite if poverty investment + no other holder on team

[native aurora]

Xaihi would have xiranite, right?

[full crown]

Is that for all teams? Or just for Yvonne? Are people testing her with LR as well, or only just Yvonne?

[lost dirge]

xaihi prob want int pieces if you already have a xiranite user

[native aurora]

Setless?

[lost dirge]

yeah

[native aurora]

Xaihi setless Tangtang Xiranite

[lost dirge]

who's your 4th?

[native aurora]

Gilberta

[lost dirge]

wait, you running swordmancer on gilb?

[native aurora]

I'll be honest

I don't have a set with her

[drifting berry]

Literally free and doesn't even bother

[lost dirge]

I would do xiranite gilb, int xaihi, and bone tt

[native aurora]

[proud vector]

bone TT

[lost dirge]

but xiranite on tt is not too bad either

[proud vector]

Joking aside yeah bonekrusher is her better set since she is acting as a subdps

Her damage does matter

[native aurora]

With a new bone piece?

or the old one?

[proud vector]

A bone just for TT

[native aurora]

(idk if we have new pieces or not)

[proud vector]

Think the new bone stuff is for TT specifically so

[full crown]

Mask T2, Heavy Armor T1, Wrist T1 and then what for a 4th?

[proud vector]

Still in flux

[full crown]

Or heavy T2?

[proud vector]

People are testing

The general idea seems to be bonekrusher is good as set but more optimisations are slowly being made

Probably good practice to not artifice yet and wait

[full crown]

Yeah, I've got a few of each set pieces, and I have plenty of other stuff to spend resources on in the meantime, lol

[warped sorrel]

this is very funny

[native aurora]

these right?

oo I just realized the first 3 are new

T1

right?

[full crown]

So we have no real idea of what bonus stat to try to aim for on her, in terms of arts intesity, ult gain, etc I assume? Do we even have a rough pie chart for her dmg distribution for her abilities?

[lost dirge]

isn't it battle skill?

tbh, I haven't look into the new gear yet

Man, I want her for my LR team, but that art susc is so low

[full crown]

Yeah, she's so much more fun to play than having Ardelia as your 4th tho imo, and I prefer LR's gameplay so I didn;t pull Yvonne.

[drifting quest]

people not reading is a common trend

could you tell

[warped sorrel]

i know i can feel his frustration through text

[proud vector]

Tangtang ult waterspouts are still from battle skill scaling

They’re a pretty significant part of her damage profile

But it’s more that just max battle skill go brr, still need to handle saturation of stats

[full crown]

yeah, I jsut went double on the battle skill bonus bonecrusher piece for now.

I'm pretty spent on my artificing things anyway, wish you could spend V4 bills on em

[dry kindle]

🗿

[steel trout]

wulfgard rossi akekuri gilberta

thoughts

gilberta battle skill >
wg combo skill = combust >
gilberta combo skill = 1 vuln >
rossi battle skill w/ mark
= BONUS dmg + dot = 2 vuln >
wulfgard battle skill >
rossi combo = 4 vuln

gilberta ult w 4 vuln (max susc) >
wg combo skill = combust >
wulfguard battle skill
= heat amp + susc (clannibal) >
wulfgard ult
akekuri ult
rossi ult

[edgy crater]

sold more battery

[gritty olive]

no gilberta is frying me

[drifting quest]

No numbers no comment

[steel trout]

ain’t this the theory crafting channel

[gritty olive]

based on numbers

[drifting quest]

TT numbers massively changed her tc

[dry kindle]

Yeah not feels craft

[steel trout]

dam

[lost dirge]

I mean, we can talk about synergy

[steel trout]

thought yall would be cooking up some stuff for rossi

[steel trout]

well ye that’s all we can do

but i thought it would be fun

[drifting quest]

Feelscraft angle was week(s) ago

No numbers meant ot stopped fast

And now post tt theres no point

[gritty olive]

i havent started yvonne so im doing it rn

when rossi comes, its on a sunday and im at a convention so it will come next monday hopefully

[steel trout]

is there even any theorcrafting for yvonne it’s just yv tt gil xaihi no

[tight stream]

Perlica > gil

[drifting quest]

plenty

perlica rots and gilb rots

are massively different

and both are getting optimised

rots change per gear and weapons

etc

alesh rots exist too but theyre ehhh right now

[gritty olive]

holy shit

[drifting quest]

just for tangtang

[gritty olive]

-20% hp for all enemies

[steel trout]

how’s perlica better than gilberta

[drifting quest]

buffs both

gilb struggles to cleanly buff both

[steel trout]

when gilberta give susc and solidify

[drifting quest]

plus perlica personal dps

[steel trout]

both tt and yv u mean?

[gritty olive]

"the silence"

[drifting quest]

yes

[potent hornet]

they are both dps units so the attack from stanza is working overtime

[summer flicker]

they are pretty similar in performance, perlica beat gilb bit a small margin

still both are depend on rot

[gritty olive]

@drifting quest does gilberta need specific weapon for her energy needs

[steel trout]

what is the perlica build on the gear

[drifting quest]

i think current tt rots dont need it

id have to double check

other rots do need ult uge

[summer flicker]

no, just stanza if tt gilb yvonne xaihi

[potent hornet]

@limber lodge has anyone figure out if the waterspouts are applying multiple stacks of the arts susceptibility? i know they don't do multiple stacks of cryo because that was called out in the skill but it only specifically calls out cryo not the suscept

[drifting quest]

1 suscept app

afaik at least

[potent hornet]

we know that for sure?

because again its not called out in the skill while the cryo stack is

[drifting quest]

i havent personally verified but we'd know pretty easily if it did

[steel trout]

sus isn’t tied to the whirlpool i thought

[potent hornet]

i know original numbers were saying 30% which if it is a single one no matter what that doesn't make sense

[drifting quest]

was just a datamine issue

[potent hornet]

however if it was 10% per waterspout then 30% would have made sense

[drifting quest]

its 5/10 and then 10/15 at p3

[potent hornet]

yea because you can have a max of 3 spouts

[drifting quest]

its 5 at 2, 10 at 3

nothing at 1

[summer flicker]

yes that

[daring dove]

Tangtang ATK value without any artificing with what I assume is her BiS gear, at least for whale invest.

[potent hornet]

thats p5?

[lone ether]

my max dmg from yvonne ult is like 600k with food buff and max artifice, i've seen multiple people get like 900k and one shot rhodagn even with a p0 yvonne without even her signature, how is it actually possible because i really dont understand

[daring dove]

Yeah but the only difference is 20 agility so you won't lose much P0.

[potent hornet]

good rotation

[summer flicker]

good rotation

[potent hornet]

how does the lowered CD on CS feel?

[lone ether]

i copied it 1 to 1 so it doesnt make any sense

[summer flicker]

its peak

[drifting quest]

plenty of factors

[summer flicker]

make tangtang dps maybe tadbit stronger

[drifting quest]

we'd need more context to troubleshoot

[summer flicker]

but i need maygi to math outthat

😭

[potent hornet]

i'm gonna be pulling some more for her P1, i want that CS cd

[steel trout]

p5 tt???

wtf

[potent hornet]

yea striker is the big whale in here

[summer flicker]

look at these two glorious rotation

[potent hornet]

much respect

[summer flicker]

5 combo 😭

[potent hornet]

i'm tiny

[steel trout]

damn

[summer flicker]

without p1, you are hard lock on 4 combo skill rotation

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1462829207385149617/1480743526105878528/twitter_2024889623965827533.gif

[steel trout]

im skipping tt tbh i got all limited characters as f2p so i dont wanna try my luck 4 banners in a row

i gotta lose at some point

[daring dove]

Really nice, I have maxed out her combo skill as well to reduce it by another second so she pretty much spams it.

[potent hornet]

why are you settling for only 1 whirlpool for your ult?

[summer flicker]

there is 2

E is combo, C is skill

dont ask me, its end-axis for naming that

[daring dove]

That's the gear set I'm using on her.

[potent hornet]

ahh ok i read that wrong

[summer flicker]

i am the tangtang goat, have like 7 rotation for her

[potent hornet]

i have just started looking at those types of rotation tools

they are pretty cool

[summer flicker]

ye, im too lazy to calc number, so i just create rotation

its pretty fun to think like what can make rotation better, should skill be first, etc

[potent hornet]

this is what i landed on for her

[summer flicker]

[potent hornet]

its comfy atm

[summer flicker]

that's prolly enough ult eff for certain rotation

[potent hornet]

haven't done masteries on her yet

and still need a couple of levels on the weapon. essence is done

[steel trout]

tt on bonekrusha?

[proud vector]

Mastery 3 on combo skill makes her f a s t e r

Speed

Vroom vroom

[drifting quest]

bonekrusha as the most consistent winning setups

[potent hornet]

yea i use it because i don't use her battle skill super often

[drifting quest]

so it'll probably remain the default

[potent hornet]

so i can stack em up and unload

[drifting quest]

some of the others have edge case uses

xiranite wins in poverty setups, very specific weaker looking rots can use it in less poverty setups

sometimes the other dps gears can win but it depends

[potent hornet]

i'm using an odd team as well, really just trying to make triple dps work with only one true support

[proud vector]

Xaihi go brrr

[potent hornet]

yea, i wanted an all cryo team for LR since i pulled her

so now i can and it seems to be working pretty well

[proud vector]

…. Wait

[potent hornet]

funny thing is its comfy in overworld and bosses because if i know i'm not gonna use LR combo or ult i can just switch to yvonne solidification tactics

[proud vector]

This isn’t some unholy LR Yvonne TT team isn’t

[potent hornet]

yea

with xaihi

[proud vector]

Welp!

[proud vector]

Yeah no the overworld flexibility is nice

[potent hornet]

its fun as fuuuuuug

the rotation is a bit weird but it trimmed the new boss first try

[proud vector]

To make less LR less fcked in early game I definitely fit in a Flourite tbf

[potent hornet]

(ignore the p5/p5 LR)

[daring dove]

I'm starting to wonder if Tangtang is actually good enough to make cut for BiS for teams outside of Cryo to be honest. Her sub DPS is really up there an her debuffing capability isn't limited to Cryo.

[proud vector]

Insert meme that X characters best team is LR Xaihi

[potent hornet]

she is straight up solid

[proud vector]

Where LR actually does the dmg

[potent hornet]

she can main dps as well

[drifting quest]

requires a team that is okay with the inflictions

[daring dove]

Yeah I wasn't expecting her to pack nearly as much damage as she does.

[potent hornet]

yea LR and Xaihi can trim just about everything no other support, as long as LR has Krhav

[drifting quest]

the teams that are okay with it sort of end up just becoming built around tt not her slotting into others

[potent hornet]

she is an easy start for a shatter team. I'm gonna bet she will work well with rossi

[drifting quest]

there's a cookery feelscraft team with tt rossi yeah

[proud vector]

Eh?

But why?

[potent hornet]

shatter

or you can use her cryo stacks to combust

[drifting quest]

arts dps rossi doesnt care about stacks

[potent hornet]

ignight?

[proud vector]

Huh.

[drifting quest]

so you have like rossi perlica tt gilb

[normal tangle]

fuck sp i guess

[proud vector]

Ah toxic soup

[warped sorrel]

WHAT

[normal tangle]

who even needs that

[drifting quest]

it doesnt really have sp issues

[proud vector]

Corrosion maxing

[potent hornet]

TT brings her sp recovery

[proud vector]

*return

[potent hornet]

perlica is elec bot

[drifting quest]

rossi applies clawmark like once every rot

the rest is tt skills

[warped sorrel]

I hope rossi art burst team suck

[drifting quest]

it requires rossi numbers to be sufficiently skewed to her ult

[warped sorrel]

So i dont have to pull tt

[drifting quest]

and her ult to be good enough

[proud vector]

Yea

[potent hornet]

i mean you should probably pull TangTang, she is great

[noble tapir]

How much better is tangtang bp weap compared to sundering steel for chen?

[warped sorrel]

I dont have yv
And I think she is a bait banner
Both tt and rossi

[drifting berry]

You mean Rossi bp weapon 🤓 👆

[potent hornet]

ehhh, TangTang can main dps, doesn't need yvonne

[noble tapir]

err yeah my bad lol

[proud vector]

I’m of the idea, especially given what the bp weapon is for her (kinda like grand vision)

That talent2 has an appreciable impact on Rossi dmg during ult due to the ult rapid attacking triggering it a ton

[drifting berry]

Sorry I had to 😭

[noble tapir]

TangTang on the brain lol

[drifting berry]

I can't stop thinking about Tangtang, I lost 2 hours yesterday on her gear menu

[drifting quest]

varies per gear, rot, etc.

[warped sorrel]

I already have lr
So no reason to pull tt

[drifting quest]

as low as about 10% worse, as high as about 10% better

per current calcs and assumptions

[normal tangle]

you mean rossi?

[noble tapir]

[normal tangle]

chen can't equip handcannons

[proud vector]

Imagine hand cannon Chen

[warped sorrel]

Maybe a water cannon