theorycrafting

[plush linden]

Arts Susceptibility isn't improved by Arts Intensity, is it?

[edgy crater]

str glove still debatable but int chest straight up better on xaihi

[viscid mortar]

what is the best current team with yvonne and tangtang

[vestal sinew]

now that tangtang has been out for a while,is she good for LR?

[proud vector]

True

[edgy crater]

737 int xaihi

[proud vector]

Nope

Only reactions are improved by arts intensity

[edgy crater]

but holy its expensive

[plush linden]

Mmmmm... Trying to figure out what gear Tangtang wants. I guess Frontiers maybe?

[proud vector]

sorry dunno at this juncture

I’ve heard good things about battleskill% pieces I guess?

[edgy crater]

slap ake gear on tang2 lol

[proud vector]

But the exact energy ultimate generation thingy isn’t clear to me right now

Depending on team and timeline she may need full ultimate energy gear yeah

[twilit quail]

the new stuff they added specifically for her in bonecrusher is decent but it also

doesnt feel great to use

just make that and dont artifice for now I guess

[vestal sinew]

now that tangtang has been out for a while,is she good for LR?

[rare rover]

1 day

[vestal sinew]

some ppl test stuff fast

[plush linden]

I've just jammed her into the Yvonne 5 cast rotation team with Gil and Xai. It doesn't seem like the best possible option, but I might just target stats and ult gen to hit the numbers and not even worry about a set for now

[proud vector]

She doesn’t increase the ceiling of LR teams if I am correct

[rare rover]

Give em more time, they're starting from ground 0 since they got nothing to work with before release

[normal tangle]

everyone's too busy with these fluid dynamics

[proud vector]

Ardelia for example will provide more damage potential

[normal tangle]

this xircon production chain is so annoying vro

why do i get half the sewage back 💔

[proud vector]

This doesn’t mean that Tangtang is bad, it just means that she doesn’t make a new LR variant that beats all the others easily

I’m sure in AoE there is potential and all that

[vestal sinew]

well damn,what is tangtang bis for then just yvvone team?

[proud vector]

But for sure? Dunno

[edgy crater]

still waiting for adjustable IO on machine

[proud vector]

Apparently not that bad an alternative to gilb in single target damage if you have signature

Source is guy Shuo talked to so accurate enough for me

Wins out slightly due to longer lasting debuffs since Yvonne ult lasts a bit longer

[inland quarry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086682564849684/1481782204685357076/image.png?ex=69b490b7&is=69b33f37&hm=d8d1834dc2fbf7c5382d0e75e51a82d4d04feec1067c20453cb6ea8d3e1d60ef&

This math was done so far

Doesn't include lr weapon math sadly

[proud vector]

huh

Now the LR maths I gotta see

[vestal sinew]

so tangtang is an upgrade,just has stagger issues

[viscid mortar]

perlica better than gilberta with yvonne and tangtang team?

i dont have gilberta

[indigo pine]

adjusted the rotations a bit today to account for ulti gain req changes (for last rite, she needs to use one less BS in perlica team due to being short on energy otherwise), so numbers are a little diff, but the idea is still the same :3

[inland quarry]

According to her stream, it's due to gib not benefitting tt dps as much due to short buff window

[odd wren]

Does anyone whats the electric nexus here

[inland quarry]

And lr buffs tt dps with her sus

[vestal sinew]

damn so is it safe to assume tangtang is an upgrade for last rite?

[indigo pine]

also tangtang personal dmg is up a good amount (~100k) bc the tangtang builds were on lynx gloves (initial rotations were using her ulti earlier, so she needed the extra ulti gain), though she can get away just fine with just an ulti gain body (type 50 yinglung heavy armor t1) with the current rotas

[proud vector]

interesting!

[indigo pine]

yes but good luck with stagger

last rite p1 would be helpful, but still might need to do an extra aa chain or 2 vs bosses w/320 stagger (rhodagn has 280, marble 320 for reference)

[inland quarry]

Have you done any math on tt weps on lr team? I noticed that post only had yvonne

[vestal sinew]

i havent played shatter teams yet could you clarify what you mean by that?

[indigo pine]

err mb* meant to write break/stagger

[indigo pine]

havent calced that specifically (currently working on tangtang main), but the relative gains should be very close to that of yvonne teams

[vestal sinew]

oh i seeee,but cant you run perlica as the last slot and run her with a stagger build to fix it,or is there better options instead of perlica?

[proud vector]

so this is Tangtang ulting how often?

[shrewd saffron]

whats the gear setup you use for the testing maygi? did you try out the gloves with +BS damage? or is the mainstat better than a 3rd one?

[proud vector]

Every other LR ult? Or building energy to sync with LR?

[inland quarry]

Hmm, so it's looking reasonable for me to run lr tt without tt sig

[hollow solar]

does LR P1 node helps with stagger issues? it’s just 5 points tho

[indigo pine]

bonekrusha wristband t1 calcs better than the MI gloves with +bs damage

[viscid mortar]

so yvonne tt xai perlica is good enough?

[edgy crater]

thought on slapping full ulti gear on her? possible to ulti twice/rot?

[indigo pine]

yea thats 15 stagger throughout the rotation though, its something

[indigo pine]

i dont think thats worth it at all unfortunately

[edgy crater]

welp

[inland quarry]

There is the bug I suppose

[edgy crater]

we got new bug?

[inland quarry]

But I think you'd build arts intensity for the bug

[shrewd saffron]

would slab be better with max artificing?

[vestal sinew]

what is the last best slot then for tantang,last rite and xaihi?

[proud vector]

so TT numbers are good enough to be viable as a subdps despite lower buffs I guess?

Honestly that’s good

[edgy crater]

*patched n now u left with nothing lol

[potent hornet]

i'm using yvonne lol

with those 3

[inland quarry]

Oh it's definitely going to be patched, but it's funny

[edgy crater]

btw which bug?

[inland quarry]

You can get 20 cryo inflictions in one ult

[edgy crater]

[trail umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086682564849684/1481824312154652672/66061D25-E5A6-46DD-BE14-065D10B37364.mov?ex=69b4b7ee&is=69b3666e&hm=83f1cbc1a8818ddb881e238bb0b45c73d3245450b94ffd97b906fb86920c4a9c&

oh

[edgy crater]

what da fak

[trail umbra]

there's also this bug

[proud vector]

TT releasing 2% of their true power

[indigo pine]

still slightly better (+0.4%) to run the 2x bonekrusha kit + gloves + type 50 yinglung heavy armor t1 (god i hate the gear naming scheme)

[gritty olive]

might pull tata over rossi then

[outer ermine]

that yvonne is a long ass time ago lmao

[trail umbra]

UM

[proud vector]

Is there a place I can go to check out the rotations for these Tangtang calcs? For learning purposes

Kinda interested in how she is being fit into the team honestly

[summer flicker]

noice, time to artifice

[gritty olive]

ppl do endaxis

[proud vector]

Aye, suppose making it myself is the way to go huh

lemme be lazy if i can man

[gritty olive]

i depend on other people

but for rossi ill be on the clock doing calcs even if i have an exam

[proud vector]

endmin stonks rising from swordmancer set

May be nice

[granite marten]

i don't see anything good for LR in the new gear pieces, i assume her build stays the same?

[edgy crater]

kinda sad we cant make glorious endmin lol, imagine crit fishing on ulti

[indigo pine]

shameless self plug but u can find them all on my vod if u care to dig also in my disc server

[shrewd saffron]

Thanks for the reply, will have to try around, a bit behind on the artificing materials, maxed out yvonne and leaf

[indigo pine]

though ill be continuing to optimize and test things over the next few days and will have a coherent guide together after a bit !

[flat glen]

Who benefit more from having TangTang rotationally , LR or Yvonne ?

[proud vector]

Looks like there is promise at least

Yvonne if no have gilb, Yvonne is struggle city alone

LR Xaihi is a standalone dynamic duo I’m not gonna lie, toss whoever in the last 2 slots and team will be still fine

[gritty olive]

maygu try applying your discord server in #frontiers-hub

[edgy crater]

btw maygi, u test str glove on lr? with yinglung cs set

[gritty olive]

[flat glen]

Btw how copium is swordmancer gilb for stagger (with xirinite Xaihi)

[indigo pine]

i havent changed lastrite gear in calc after patch, should probably take a look

[edgy crater]

its slightly better than surge tide glove

well, more like tiny lol

[indigo pine]

i have her on the funny aethertech plating for burst

[shrewd saffron]

with p4 TT and p3 gilb you still need ulti gain right? remember someone did some maths on it yesterday, was like 3% off?

[edgy crater]

oh stagger chest, yeah dats funny number on finisher

[indigo pine]

thats a good idea but since my server isnt like a dedicated endfield only server id feel a bit weird to apply

[gritty olive]

@ saintonas for the funsies

[vestal sinew]

what is the bestt fourth slot looking like for the last rite,tt,xaihi team?

[summer flicker]

depend on rot
for rot: 5 bs + 4 combo (i mean you can 5 combo with p1 tt so idk but if you 5 combo then ye ult eff is unnecessary)
50%x6.5 + 6.5 x 4 + 4 x 10 = 69.25
76.5 ult cost with 15% reduction
so that's need 10.469% ult eff
gilb give 7 for free so 3%

if you have a 6bs rot + 4 combo, then ult eff is uneccessary

[proud vector]

Looks like Perlica

[summer flicker]

or with 5 combo 5 bs

[proud vector]

Easier to use too

[vestal sinew]

this is a healerless team right?

[edgy crater]

ardel can work too there, but no bs on tang2 most likely

[proud vector]

Well… Xaihi? She DOES heal

[willow blade]

LR xaihi tangtang and flor/perlica/ard which one?

[proud vector]

otherwise yeah

[vestal sinew]

she heals?

[edgy crater]

u don't need heal when u can dodge

[proud vector]

my man

Yeah it’s a pretty small heal haha

[edgy crater]

xaihi bs basically gitgud or no damage

[proud vector]

But every final strike while having her C0be up heals you

And if it overheals it buffs you too

The healing itself is quite low but I guess it exists

Doesn’t heal teammates easily though

[vestal sinew]

hmmm i see,also whats the consensus on gilberta with laev,i heard its good but a bit more restrictive rotation wise vs ardelia but thats not bad right?

[edgy crater]

u never want to use xaihi heal compare to 20% amp

[shrewd saffron]

hmm interesting,would have to look into the rotations with 6 bs in rot with different gear pieces if that could be an improvement, but her DPS would have to be pretty high for that to outvalue yvonne, so sorta doubt unless you are building main dps TT

[proud vector]

not a Laev person so dunno about gilb Laev stuff sry

[summer flicker]

she would not out dps yvonne sadly(feelcraft)

[edgy crater]

corro maxing on tang2 main dps?

[summer flicker]

yes

ofc

kekw

[edgy crater]

ange to the rescue lmao

[summer flicker]

gilb sig prlly can have some better value than stanza

kekw

[shrewd saffron]

yeah so delaying the ult another bs would be a dps lose, need to wait for another unit that gives ult gain to get a smoother rot

[edgy crater]

da heck beating stanza

[summer flicker]

because: gilb sig has ult eff

[edgy crater]

[summer flicker]

you can slot in art intense set for gilb when using gilb sig

[edgy crater]

oh w8, yeah

[summer flicker]

there could be real difference in this case

[edgy crater]

pulsar set on ange

[proud vector]

Yea intensity gilb works for Yvonne because juicy shatter damage

or so I’ve heard

[vestal sinew]

really hope i can use gilberta with laev,or else me pulling her and sig was pointless... even tho the guide said it was an okay combo

[summer flicker]

90/90

[edgy crater]

why m2 m2

[summer flicker]

cuz im broke

[edgy crater]

[summer flicker]

plan to m3 all 3 of those

[outer ermine]

[icy remnant]

Damn TangTang is OP

[outer ermine]

oh did u my see tt subdps shenanigans w bug laff

[summer flicker]

yes

tangtang backstab

kekw

tangtang > all dps

[potent hornet]

missing some levels on your essence?

[summer flicker]

yes

[outer ermine]

actual freeze lmao, timestop+lr combo

[summer flicker]

im only here cuz also broke

[potent hornet]

i'm short on creds to finish off her levels and the gun

both have 90 unlocked tho

[flat glen]

no krav means don't bother with LR right?

[edgy crater]

ye

[proud vector]

For full optimal TC stuff yeah

[icy remnant]

Have we actually calculated if the new AI kit is better and how much better than the Phys dmg kit?

[summer flicker]

😭

[proud vector]

For gameplay and like trims, should be fine tbh

[torn pilot]

daaaam that new battle pass sword is nice af

is that chens new best weapon?

[flat glen]

i'm wondering now that Tangtang is here
is an optimal LR team stronger or an optimal Yvonne team

[proud vector]

hmm…

Not personally, but it makes sense to me. A pretty big portion of Endmin damage profile is crush after all

[icy remnant]

We lose a lot of attack cus no Agility main stat

[proud vector]

hmmm

At least STR secondary…

[torn pilot]

last rite team should still prove to be better, the thing is that tangtang doesnt exactly fix much of yvonnes problems

last rite + tangtang is a super efficient cryo stacking core

[proud vector]

Smh smh my work has me working to midnight yesterday, was hoping someone else did calcs

[icy remnant]

Basic attacks account for so much damage for Endmin as well

And the Ult

Overall I don’t even know if it’s a dps increase

[flat glen]

the rotation for LR just becomes super smooth?
Xaihi skill>final strike>ardelia combo>skill>LR skill>final strike>xaihi combo (2 stacks with LR skill now)>tangtang combo>tang tang skill >last rite combo

while before the 3rd stack generation was kinda awkward

[gaunt mason]

tldr new kits are a scam

[proud vector]

Aww, so the old swordmancer phys damage pieces better?

[ornate rapids]

the new hot gear armour is good for laevatain?

[gaunt mason]

yes and that’s using a rotation that prioritizes crush over ult

the difference is less pronounced if you don’t field endmin

[odd wren]

Swordmancer new kit is bad?

[gaunt mason]

for normal rotations yeah

[odd wren]

What if we take into consideration p5 gv and p5 never rest?

[gaunt mason]

i’m about to go to sleep

one sec

[odd wren]

Hahaa no rush

[proud vector]

Huh

The crush damage is around the same

[odd wren]

The sm procs only affected by atk right?

[proud vector]

I did not expect that at all, I would have thought the crushes would do more

[timid echo]

does tt really want her sig? or does she have other decent alternatives?

[odd wren]

This was my crush damage with p5 gv

With these

263 AI

With never rest 5 stacks and crystal buffed bs

No food and non crit

Worst than flints xd

Aethertech endmin on the other hand almost the same 669k swordmancer vs 670k aethertech

[compact bridge]

She got decent alternative thanks to bp

[timid echo]

oh right I forgot bp was a thing

[trail umbra]

her BP good alternative but it only increase her personal dmg only unlike the sig

[compact bridge]

Tangtang sig is very good, its basically a dps stanza

[glacial jackal]

Is she must in lr teams now ?

[scenic karma]

is the new mi chest w/ ult gain good for yvonne or the old bis gear is still better?

[gaunt mason]

the one with a higher proportion of crush is using the new kits

i won’t bother screenshotting the whole thing on mobile

[timid echo]

I’ll probably try to go for it if I have enough currency after getting her then, thx for the insight

[odd wren]

Left side is the new kits?

[gaunt mason]

the one with less total damage

[odd wren]

Ohhh

Hmm

So for nuking

New kit is better

[proud vector]

Huh

Ok so everything in the rotation is equal except the stats on endmin (since no ER should be same) right?

Why are the crush numbers for both so similar? I would expect a much higher crush despite the hit to mainstat and mult%

[torn pilot]

does anybody have the numbers on how much better glorious memory is in comparison to RA and sundering on chen?

[gaunt mason]

rotation is the exact same

only thing that i changed was gear

[proud vector]

50k vs 51k

[gaunt mason]

my phones about to die

[torn pilot]

what is the new kit for endmin?

[gaunt mason]

str + arts int

[torn pilot]

ah really its better overall than just using 2 of the old kits?

or just explicitly for hitting screenshot numbers its better

[gaunt mason]

new gear is a scam

[torn pilot]

oh kek

[gaunt mason]

you lose too much atk for tbe ai to be worth more than phys%

[proud vector]

like it’s
7086 atk 2.334 mult 127 intensity
vs
7569 atk 1.737 mult 233.2 intensity

[compact bridge]

I tried to go for it and didnt get it.. now i need to wait for rossi banner to finish the job

[proud vector]

A 7% hit to ATK and a 34% drop in multiplier should not cancel out a 83% increase from intensity

Unless I’m missing something

[odd wren]

Ngl i do way less with flints

My highest was like 400k

Same condition no food non crit p5 gv never rest 5 stacks

[proud vector]

idk the crush numbers just seem too close for it to make sense….

[gaunt mason]

arts int factors into the crush multiplier itself

it doesnt get multiplied with the rest of the damage formula if that makes sense

[proud vector]

it acts as a multiplier to the base crush modifier no?

[gaunt mason]

redo that even i get 430k ish with p0 gv and p0 thermite

[odd wren]

Yeah probably need to redo that

Lemme test thermite with the new kit first

Then thermite with flints

[glass wind]

Can someone explain this sentence to me in Chen's language.
"during the next ultimate cast within 30s, the wielder gains DMG Dealt +33.6%."

[proud vector]

Functionally since it’s multiplicative with the crush damage multiplier linearly, isn’t it just straight up multiplicative?

[gaunt mason]

yes and that’s it, you’re getting the 32% diff in multi while losing a significant portion of atk and dmg bonus

[proud vector]

Hold up
Ah so it should be 3.332x vs 2.272x

[gritty olive]

upon ult activatjon, gain 33.6%dmg bonus for 30s

[glass wind]

Oh. I thought the buff is only for her ult

[gritty olive]

quite that its only for ult since it has a duration

it also says that its dmg dealt. not ult dmg dealt

[compact bridge]

Use your ult, here 33.6% damage bonus for the next 30s

[glass wind]

So POG can still use it then

[proud vector]

Urgh, weird

[potent hornet]

incorrect, if you use your ult within 30s of applying vulnerability your ult cast within that timeframe will have 33.6% dmg bonus

[odd wren]

[potent hornet]

this can stack 3 times

[glass wind]

Which one is it?

[glass birch]

It's DMG Dealt during ult.

[ocean turret]

How does the stacking work?

[glass birch]

So for rossi as an example; her Talent 2 would get buffed by GM

if she crits

[glass wind]

Mostly for Rossi. She can stack 3

[potent hornet]

you need to apply vuln 3 times without casting an ult

[ocean turret]

You need to apply 3vuln?

I see

[potent hornet]

when you do the ult will have the 99%ish dmg

[gritty olive]

their raw description is incomplete if you check what they sent

[potent hornet]

100

[gritty olive]

thanks for the clarif

[glass wind]

We need someone with the weapon already so a 🐳

[potent hornet]

i mean

i have it

its on the bp

[glass wind]

[proud vector]

kinda scary when you think about it

[glass wind]

Dont you need to reach 30?

[glass birch]

20

[potent hornet]

no

lol

[proud vector]

When the BP weapon is throwing out like a 99% damage amp

[gritty olive]

damage dealt means its universal damage do i dont think that its only for ult

[potent hornet]

for one instance of dmg

[glass wind]

[potent hornet]

its good yea

but you gotta have a beefy ult to make to vaulable

[glass birch]

Its quite literally just a brief DMG Dealt buff during ult

[glass wind]

You can still buff Rossi's ult damage with Antal

[willow blade]

"The 1.1 chestpiece is better, but only by 0.6%. No need to switch if your old piece is artificed." my 9 artificed leav piece: ya your still getting booted

[gritty olive]

why mention that it has a 30s duration

they couldve coded it specifically that its an unconditional ult damage dealt instead of it having a duration

[potent hornet]

the 30seconds is the timer for the stack you get after you apply vuln

[glass wind]

We need some CN players to explain it

[glass birch]

The buff duration is 30s from when you apply vuln. You apply vuln and get a named buff for 30s that is consumed like link when an ult is cast; giving the operator a new buff during that ult for the Dmg Dealt%

[gritty olive]

i was basing off of this

[glass birch]

Step 1; apply vuln

[gritty olive]

if i water it down im interpreting it as "upon using ult, gain damage bonus for a duration"

[glass birch]

Step 2; gain a 30s buff that's consumed when you ult.

[glass wind]

So its like Link?

[glass birch]

Step 3; Ult and obtain dmg dealt% during that ult

Kinda

[proud vector]

It’s the same mechanic as grand vision

[glass birch]

its just pure dmg dealt%

[gaunt mason]

i’m about to go to sleep you just have to remember minmaxing is a balancing game, supercharging one bracket by taking from others often leads to worse results overall

[glass wind]

So Link with extra steps.

[proud vector]

I get that yeah it’s just very surprising that the crush numbers are that close I guess. My intuition of the losses from mainstat and the phys damage% vs gains in crush damage is a bit off, considering that the dmg% bracket itself is already occupied by GV quite significantly and other stuff

[glass birch]

Yeah pretty much. It's just universal dmg dealt%

[glass wind]

So I was right the first time

[gritty olive]

but if the unit only has like a brief ult like chens, they still have the damage buff after its ended in its animation correct?

[glass birch]

it goes away when the ult ends

[potent hornet]

no

[glass birch]

its designed for Rossi

who gets additional hits everytime she crits

[gritty olive]

can you give me a quick demo

do whatever is needed for the conditional -> basic attafk -> chen ult -> basic attack again if the damage number changes

[potent hornet]

its not that hard. No dmg unless you ult

[glass birch]

I dont have it rn to make a clip of it But as stated above, its exactly like Grand Vision. Same type of effect but universal Dmg Dealt% instead of being phys in GV's case

[gritty olive]

sorry ill be skeptical for a while about this

[proud vector]

check out how grand vision works in Iana’s doc

Under physical tab

It’s a funny little thing

[gritty olive]

alright

[proud vector]

Which funnily enough

Might mean the weapon buffs reactions caused by Rossi ult

[glass birch]

Could def do that

[gritty olive]

yeah i think i havr the rifht to be skeptical sinxe it mentions that the dmg buff has a duration

it should be -> do contional -> cast ult -> dmg buff for 30s

[glass birch]

The buff itself doesnt have a duration

The conditional has a duration

[gritty olive]

[potent hornet]

there is a comma there

[glass birch]

"During the next ultimate cast within 30s,"

Thats the duration

for the conditional

[proud vector]

I get that, it can be read that way

But the likeliest scenario is when gain vuln gain stack, stack lasts 30 seconds, timer independent for each stack, stack is triggered by ult and grants a buff that lasts for ult duration

[gritty olive]

welp beats me

lemme take a peek at the weapon then

[proud vector]

Grand vision explains how “damage bonus during ult” works essentially

[glass birch]

Grand vision's effect btw

[proud vector]

O

Yeah it’s really quite similar huh

I forgor gv had a timing restriction too

[gritty olive]

i have read that wrong

[proud vector]

We usually consume it within like 5 seconds so it never really matters LOL

[gritty olive]

my bad

thats an L for me then

its
"ult in the next 30s, dmfg buff"

[potent hornet]

commas will get ya

[odd wren]

Swordmancer flint fully artificed with thermite p0 and gv p5 no food buff @gaunt mason

Swordmancer beacon fully artificed with thermite p0 and p5 gv no food buff

[glass birch]

GV P5 💀

[twilit quail]

wow ember is notably less terrible than before

a tremendous win

[odd wren]

I did higher crush on the new kits

[gritty olive]

what sense? new weap or

[twilit quail]

swordmancer is usable now

that's it

[potent hornet]

after a day with her i'm glad i snagged TangTang

[twilit quail]

and also exemplar is better now because she can use swordmancer

[odd wren]

I lost 50/50 i wanted her for overworld 🙁

[potent hornet]

still got some time

[twilit quail]

like this op is actually

not the worst

[odd wren]

Nah haha i just went for the free pulls

[twilit quail]

which is kinda crazy

[proud vector]

she finally gets to function as a more conditional Chen with a worse ult?

Lesgo

[odd wren]

How come i did way less using thermite vs p5 never rest

[potent hornet]

the house is bigger on the inside

[blissful beacon]

Hey everyone, can Aether set be used for Endmin crush build? The set bonus can't be used by Endmin but it does provide ATK+8%, with loss of Stagger% from not using Swordmancer. I am using one of the new Copium piece which gives Phy%, so 3x AI and 1x Phy%.

[odd wren]

If you're aiming for nuke numbers better 3 aether with gloves and kits + swordmancer chest with ai

But if you're looking for way better overall dps 3 pcs swordmancer + ae gloves is better

But still contemplating about the new kits vs the old ones for swordmancer

[signal palm]

It's a little different with Endmin. Endmin can only apply vunerability if you use her battle skill on an enemy with no stacks of vulnerability, which is usually pointless if you are running Lifeng unless you have him at least potential one. P0 Lifeng is the one opening with his battle skill so he can apply 12% physical susceptibility, if you have P1 or higher than he doesn't need to be the one going first since he can apply the second or third vulnerability stack and still apply susceptibility. Therefore, Endmin can at best only receive one instance of 8% physical damage bonus from aethertech which lasts 15 seconds after she applies vunerability.

Swordmancer NAV beacon provides 53 strength and no agility, which is an attack stat loss due to no primary attribute, compared to Aethertech Stabilizer which gives 53 agility and 27 strength. Aethertech (Gloves, Stabilizer, Stabilizer) is the most common option on Endmin because it matches her stats and gives a lot of arts intensity. Aethertech does give 8% attack and potentially 8% physical damage bonus depending on your rotation.

Assuming fully artificed gear:

Swordmancer (Heavy Armor, NAV Beacon, NAV Beacon) + Aethertech Gloves = 197 Agility, 236 Strength, No Attack Bonus
Aethertech (Gloves, Stabilizer, Stabilizer) + Swordmancer Heavy Armor = 279 Agility, 184 Strength, 8% Attack Bonus

So I think it is clear that with beacon you will be losing damage across the board with Endmin. Just to be clear I am not comparing the sets overall here, only beacon vs. stabilizer since one might prefer any of the two sets depending on their personal needs in terms of damage, stagger buildup rate, ultimate gain efficiency, etc.

I'm planning to invest in Endmin soon so I don't have practical experience using her but just the stat numbers and attack bonuses from the gear makes stabilizer vs beacon clear in my opinion

[odd wren]

I did this earlier

But the comparison is for flints

Lemme do an aethertech run

Gonna use thermite p0

For pog

[proud vector]

Hey hey at least that 250% from swordmancer benefits fully from grand vision

It’s like a 4~% boost?

[odd wren]

Thats the thing

[twilit quail]

there was a hilarious video on bili a while ago from this random fucking guy

breach is bad, actually

pog is bad, actually

god that was funny

[odd wren]

[proud vector]

What was the arguments

[twilit quail]

ok see

if you do two 4 stack crush

it does more damage than 4 breach 4 crush

(he ignored all the other damage sources on the team)

[mystic halo]

I dont even know where to start with this

this is

wow

[odd wren]

[blissful beacon]

What if I swap one of the AE piece for Phys%, compromise between nuke and overall, would it be somewhat viable? Or does committing to one build (nuke or overall) is better?

[signal palm]

?

[mystic halo]

I thought it was meant to be just looking at the new pieces at first but it sounds like youre just comparing the sets in general

Just to be clear yes

You are only looking at the new pieces and examining them?

[signal palm]

comparing double beacon crush build with double stabilizer crush build

set effect is relevant because double beacon means you can't run aethertech set effect and vice versa

[mystic halo]

So are we trying to maximise single instance damage

Is that the goal here instead of doing the most damage in a practical scenario

[signal palm]

wdym

[mystic halo]

It isnt

It literally just isnt

[proud vector]

I mean earlier guy had the calcs

[mystic halo]

You have a very poor understanding of the damage spread

[proud vector]

Crush endmin in a standard physical comp is like 45-55% crush

[mystic halo]

Have you ever sheeted this at all

Not to mention that there are other swordmancer pieces and we sure as hell are not using the stupid beacon on endmin

[signal palm]

he was asking me about beacons earlier so I was talking about beacons

there are legitimate reasons for using swordmancer, I'm only addressing whether beacon or stabilizer gives more crush damage, nothing more

[mystic halo]

Ok so then it becomes

Alright if that is the starting point of the conversation, again

maximising the single instance damage

carry on

[signal palm]

I can't make any argument for overall damage but endmin asked me earlier about crush damage so I'm just talking about that

[odd wren]

Aethertech 3 pcs fully artificed with 263 ai p5 gv p0 thermite no food buff

[icy remnant]

So no new Endmin build

[odd wren]

Its just so low xd

[twilit quail]

endmin is unchanged

in gearing

[icy remnant]

Lose too much damage on basic attacks and Ult to be worth the AI kit

[proud vector]

Phooey

[twilit quail]

da pan is probably changing

[odd wren]

Yep unchanged but still trying to figure out how come my beacon damage higher than flint in a single instance crush

[icy remnant]

Did Chen build change

[twilit quail]

oh and he also use AI to do excel sheet

GENIUS

[proud vector]

ah for fucjs

How could you tell it was AI?

Mistake everywhere?

[twilit quail]

watermark

insane mistakes

[proud vector]

[twilit quail]

and he accidentally admitted to it

[proud vector]

[twilit quail]

GUIDEMAKER BTW

[proud vector]

It’s so over

[signal palm]

also we aren't trying to maximise single instance damage, maximizing main attribute and attack bonuses from gear maximises every instance of damage you do with that operator, not sure what you are trying to say here

[mystic halo]

If that's the goal then beacon should be discarded without a further thought

[signal palm]

yeah that's the gist of what I said

[mystic halo]

and even if the person asks you specifically about it

that should be the answer

ok all is well then

[proud vector]

what if beacon is agi

Well ig that too is too hypothetical to be useful

[twilit quail]

it could be good

esp for duped gv

[proud vector]

Mmh
But it ain’t so rip

Well maybe 1.2

[twilit quail]

da pan can use

so it's not homeless piece at least

[proud vector]

Da pan eating good

His damage profile is more heavily crush yes?

[twilit quail]

his best set previously was really fucked up

with two of the aethertech discs

that had only 21 str base

and even if he is really good at stacking aethertech

I can definitely see the new swordmancer pieces being net positive

and you will also net gain a bit of stagger output

everyone too busy arguing about tangtang though

so it might be a while

[outer ermine]

[proud vector]

Magyi calcs showing TT with sig is ok in both current cyro teams

good for Gilbless Yvonne user

[signal palm]

which gloves are you running

[odd wren]

Ae gloves

[twilit quail]

she is more comfort than increasing damage output

which is like, fine

the units need it

the gameplay experience will be notably improved when you get her

[proud vector]

It’s good

We had initial doom posting once her susc was found to be 10%

But her personal damage is not bad it seems and helped

[twilit quail]

I wasnt expecting much and in the damage department it

really isnt much

all things considered

it's just making the team not cancer to play

and that does matter a lot

[proud vector]

Not hypercarry standard damage yeah

But it’s nice to have team that works with itself nicely

[noble tapir]

What are the pros and cons to the two gear sets listed for tangtang in the yvonne post?

[twilit quail]

xiranite is for broke player

no resource no sig

type shit

[noble tapir]

Cool thanks

[twilit quail]

dont artifice her shit yet

could change in next few days

[noble tapir]

Yeah I wasn't planning on it

Gonna be a few days before I can really play anyway because of work

[odd wren]

Only endmin

[noble tapir]

Oh another question

If I have tangtang sig I should treat her, essence wise, like a dps right, don't just go for a 0/0/3 and be happy with it?

[twilit quail]

yeah you respect her a bit

and give her a m3

[noble tapir]

bs right?

[signal palm]

on the panda aethertech is definitively better than swordmancer since he can apply many vulnerability stacks but for endmin I have no idea since it seems like she has many instances of physical damage on her battle skill and flint's physical damage bonus is much more impactful there

[twilit quail]

yes

[noble tapir]

[twilit quail]

big % of her dmg

also why I dont think you should use ardelia

1 more char fighting for SP so tangtang cant use skill is really bad

[odd wren]

Yep i guess flint still is better

I missed the endmin talent buff for both

[signal palm]

do you know what the hp icon buff looking thing may be

[buoyant yoke]

It's healing over time from your consumable

[signal palm]

ah thanks

[pearl spade]

Is this correct ratio for Wuling current industry

The overflow resource amount for gear parts is same as last version of game

I found it funny

[granite marten]

im running full int on xaihi, is it actually her best setup?

would xiranite not be better for the set buff?

also, im running the full bonekrusha set on tangtang, does she have an ult eff breakpoint? or is there a better off-piece alternative?

[proud vector]

To clarify

Which cyro team?

And it kind of looks like that you don’t really want much ER on Tangtang if at all

[twilit quail]

rn it's looking like either 0

or all the way to 201% for her

no inbetween

[noble tapir]

the 201% build would just be the laev er build more or less right?

[proud vector]

Ehh

Wonder if Xiranite is worth it, hmm

Sorry I don’t have the numbers for you here for the high energy version

And the no energy version is still being tested and refined rn

[lime bear]

is there anything good from the new gears for Physical and Laeva team

[silver spoke]

any dps comparisons with tangtang bp vs sig yet

[spark hollow]

Any theories on Rossis best team?

Rossi/ Catello/ Pogranichnik or Akekuri/ Ardelia or Gilberta

[odd wren]

Physical remains the same

[lime bear]

the new hotwork exo has int main stat now

[chilly bolt]

Ult gain is still better i believe

[lime bear]

tho I think the ult charge built is better

[odd wren]

Old (flint)

[granite marten]

sorry i was stuck on smth, its for yvonne.

[odd wren]

New (beacon)

Old (flint)

New(beacon)

[chilly bolt]

You only use xiranite on xaihi if no one else uses xiranite set

[next helm]

So I am reading that endmin is still the same set?

[odd wren]

Yeah

[next helm]

What about Pog?

He uses something else now I hope

[granite marten]

ok i'll keep the sets i have, thanks.

[odd wren]

Same AI stat but more Will stat

[next helm]

Hotwork?

Not worth it to go swormancer?

[odd wren]

Nope

You get less AI

[next helm]

Really is the 3p for 30 AI that big?

[odd wren]

For breach yes

[chilly bolt]

No ult gain?

[odd wren]

Ermmm

Ult gain for what

[chilly bolt]

I heard you need ult gain on pog

[next helm]

Ult

[chilly bolt]

Like 1 ult gain piece, then 3 intensity

[odd wren]

Not really, we have ult bars pre boss

[next helm]

Oh you one shot

[chilly bolt]

Well what if you dont one shot

[odd wren]

Can do 2 rots the very least

[odd wren]

Yeah can put ult gain

I just went for more extra main stat for my pog set

So it can at least deal a little bit more

[proud vector]

Gah

I can’t see numbah

[odd wren]

Thats 505

505034

Btw i missed endmin buff there

I need to redo it

For the flint i had the endmin buff

[flat glen]

For a phys team, what level do the other members need to be?

Can get away with 80 Chen and others 60 for now ?

[odd wren]

Welp tldr flint still better huh

[torn pilot]

does chen or pog set change for physical?

im currently using swordmancer for chen and the electro set on pog for the intensity

[signal palm]

pulser works but I switched to this today for more of his attributes

[odd wren]

Lmao it did crit with beacon on

[lucid temple]

Is Da pan worth using over Endmin if I only have his P1 and P3 Canal? I've been using Da pan at lvl80 with no artifice pieces since last patch, now I'm thinking if I should pivot to Endmin instead.

[odd wren]

Whats the crit multiplier again so we can reduce it to check the non crit crush

[glass wind]

I didnt know Clannibal is also a debuffer

[reef plinth]

anyone have the math on Tang Tang's potentials? Especially P1

[odd wren]

I wasnt even crit fishing

[glass wind]

Which ones should I level first for Tangtang?

[rich linden]

Loading into chat this was the first thing I saw, and thought it was something else

[odd wren]

[quartz horizon]

u already have him leveled its not a big difference (he's technically better anyway)

[rich linden]

He is?? 😭

[quartz horizon]

panda

power

[rich linden]

Smoge

Ig striker class has its advantages

[gritty olive]

Ciallo whats tc up to rn

[rich linden]

@drifting quest did the new gear have any changes laeva builds btw

I saw some non set piece with >100 int

[gritty olive]

How much does it provide, max artifice

[rich linden]

113? Iirc

[gritty olive]

Should be better than

[rich linden]

Oh im not sure

113 was base

[gritty olive]

Ok ill sit that one out for now then

[odd wren]

Endmin Gear Test
(P5 GV Endmin + Pog Thermite P0 NO FOOD BUFFS)

SWORDMANCER FLINTS + CHEST/ AETHERTECH GLOVES FULLY ARTIFICED SET 4/4
581090
41607
75725
75964
Total: 774386

SWORDMANCER BEACONS + CHEST / AETHER TECH GLOVES FULLY ARTIFICED SET 4/4
602782
55459
30362
42507
Total: 731110

[terse raptor]

[odd wren]

Higher atk more damage overall ( Swordmancer procs)

[signal palm]

Swordmancer (Heavy Armor, Flint, Flint) + Aethertech Gloves: 61965
Aethertech (Gloves, Stabilizer T1, Stabilizer T1) + Swordmancer Heavy Armor: 58052

Damage difference seems to increase when running stabilizer t1 for aethertech rather than stabilizer, flint outdamages by about 6.74% in my case due to the extra 250% multiplier from swordmancer. However, aethertech gives 8% atk which applies to all of endmin's damage, so the damage difference between swordmancer with double flint and aethertech with double stabilizer t1 depends on how often swordmancer's 250% multiplier is triggered during a battle, and whether someone has p1+ lifeng so they can get the 8% physical damage bonus for endmin from aethertech by crushing first with endmin to apply vulnerability

Way too many variables involved to know which is better but my feeling is swordmancer with double flint is probably just the better option here since 8% attack will most likely translate to less than a 6.7% total damage increase when accounting for all buffs

My rationale for that is that when comparing the normal damage instance from endmin's battle skill from the stabilizer t1 screenshot to that of the stabilizer screenshot from my previous post, you get 8266/6256 ~1.32 or roughly 32% increase in damage despite the fact that the stabilizer one lacks 46.0% physical damage bonus from not running stabilizer t2, so even with few multipliers a 23% physical damage bonus translates to much less than a 23% increase in the final damage which makes sense

[odd wren]

[terse raptor]

hmm

maybe too much arts intensity is not good

[odd wren]

Maybe there's a cap?

[terse raptor]

diminishing return i believe

[odd wren]

[terse raptor]

but crit fishing is more rewarding because a single big damage is easier to crit than critting all the procs
swordmancer so far seems to be outputting more consistent damage

[gritty olive]

theres "no cap" to linear increases

the better term is cost opportunity, but if the only feasible way to increase damage is arts intensity, the slump will be felt in higher amounts while adding incremental amounts of it

[signal palm]

^

[signal palm]

for breach it is diminishing returns, not for crush since it is a linear % damage dealt increase (at least it seems so from in-game text)

green function is the effect of breach (increased physical damage taken) as a percentage

as an example increasing arts intensity from 150 to 170 only gives you a roughly 3.4% improvement in the effect (not the damage taken) of breach, or roughly 1.1% more damage taken

[dawn patrol]

holy desmos

[gritty olive]

desmos when the elemental mastery

[dawn patrol]

why is overloaded so high

[dry kindle]

Because yes

Duh

[warped sorrel]

what is elemental mastery in EF

[dawn patrol]

arts intensity

[rich linden]

They buffed it

[gritty olive]

arts intensity but the scaling isnt likeEM

if you squint hard enough, arts intensiry is more akin to break effect in HSR than EM in GI

[barren geyser]

any gear changes on phys team?

[main nova]

gasp a math

[ocean turret]

ember swordmancer?

[lavish jay]

so if i have yvonne, no gilberta, worth pulling tangtang? or still a skip? 🤔

[steel summit]

does anyone know how much of a difference in performance there is between tangtang's sig and her bp weapon?

[odd wren]

Endmin still swordmancer + flints

Chen no except, bp weapon

Pog can still use pulsar if already artificed on ai

Lifeng still xiranite

[elfin smelt]

how much is the difference

[odd wren]

Vs sundering? Iirc someone said 10%

Here in tc

P5 vs p5

[elfin smelt]

alrighty

[odd wren]

Its also better than rapid

[barren geyser]

bp weapons are given at p5?

[odd wren]

P2 vs p2 based from a redditor

[odd wren]

Can easily get p5

Im at p3 now

Considering you bought the previous bp

[elfin smelt]

can't imagine my Chen is still pot 3 even after 240 pulls

[odd wren]

[elfin smelt]

she's the only one I haven't maxxed pot yet

[barren geyser]

i don't get it. orginium battle pass only gives one weapon right? you mean the $ pass?

[elfin smelt]

yea paid tier gives the item to up BP weapon pots

[odd wren]

Context on physical team without any changes on the gear.

Endmin Gear Test
(P5 GV Endmin + Pog Thermite P0 NO FOOD BUFFS)

SWORDMANCER FLINTS + CHEST/ AETHERTECH GLOVES FULLY ARTIFICED SET 4/4
581090
41607
75725
75964
Total: 774386

SWORDMANCER BEACONS + CHEST / AETHER TECH GLOVES FULLY ARTIFICED SET 4/4
602782
55459
30362
42507
Total: 731110

I tested the new swordmancer kit at fully artifice.

[barren geyser]

i've seen her using the new gauntlet too

[odd wren]

Haven't seen that one yet

I still use the ultimate damage one

[barren geyser]

the red one with ult damage too

[odd wren]

I will check later

[elfin smelt]

wait you can still hold the used sanity extractors (converted) and the empty extractors right

I mean at the same time, I saw a post somewhere saying there's a 10 limit to the extractors

[rocky saffron]

Hi with this, I just need to change the chest ?

ah ok just saw it s a very small upgrade

[reef plinth]

Anyone figured the math for Tang Tang potentials yet?

[next helm]

Got another Lifeng 💀

I can grab P3 lifeng with the selector is that worth it?

[dry kindle]

if you have all the units might as well

[next helm]

I don't

[dry kindle]

whos missing

[next helm]

Last Rite

[terse raptor]

he'll deal more damage, but do you have the team ready?

[next helm]

Does his gearing change with potentials?

[terse raptor]

nope

but if u wanna grab his p3, it's worth it IMO if you have his sig, because his sig gives all attributes

[next helm]

I have Valiant

[terse raptor]

do you have pog? if yes, what potential is he now?

[next helm]

Everything is P0 but Lifeng

[reef plinth]

What are Pog's notable potentials?

[terse raptor]

4 and 5 imo, the rest isn't really impactful

[odd wren]

Its fine lifeng can still use xiranite and deal good amount of damage

[terse raptor]

if you want to build lifeng as another dmg dealer in phys team, i'd say worth it then

extra damage is always good

[odd wren]

My lifeng is m9 now xd

Chen is m6

Endmin m12

[reef plinth]

Phys clears ridiculously fast after the energy refill QoL

[odd wren]

Pog is stuck at m1 m1 bs and ult xd

[terse raptor]

[odd wren]

Yes lol

[terse raptor]

highest invesment is truly phys team

[odd wren]

Im gonna do the never rest test later

I think beacons will do more with it

[reef plinth]

So can Rossi replace anyone in a Pog/Chen/Endmin/Lifeng team
or would she be on a separate phys/infliction team

[elfin smelt]

wait wuh-

what's the other skill you m3

[terse raptor]

separate

[odd wren]

Bs cs ult

[elfin smelt]

dam alright, for that -1 sec?

[terse raptor]

until the numbers drop, we can't really know what rossi team would be

[reef plinth]

Dang

[odd wren]

Yeah so i can do link pre stagger p1

Something like this

[terse raptor]

imagine crit + food buffs

[odd wren]

I can actually

Do a p1 clear now

Ima test later

[terse raptor]

[rocky saffron]

Just want to make sure before i start grinding the essence, what's best for yvonne between wedge p2 and navi (rn p3 but can be p5 soon) ?

saw this but ppl told me navi still >

[drifting quest]

Wedge unless you take navi to p4-5

[rocky saffron]

the chart is wrong ?

[drifting quest]

The chart is (assumedly) right for one specific set of assumptions

For a different set (team, investment level, rotation, etc) it would be wrong

[next helm]

In phys does it matter who you onfield?

[drifting quest]

Yes

[next helm]

Like if I grab p3 lifeng is he gonna have more atk so does more with basic attacks?

Or is it just the stagger+auto attack sequence

[rare zodiac]

Lifeng BA is good but his BS and CS take 5 business days to finish so you not gonna onfield him anyways

[next helm]

true

[drifting quest]

Physical is currently a lot more quickswap heavy to minmax
Chen has a good FS so you can field her when she is free to hit them
Pog is the least likely to be stuck in skill animations most of the time so can be defaulted to when others are busy
Lifeng has long skill animations and not the best basic seq so can often not be fielded, but has a better finisher than others so you want him to do the finishers
Endmin has animation cancels that can make them best for your generic onfielding purposes, but playing around skill timings can help to quickswap
Dapan i know less about but same sort of principles apply

[next helm]

Chen with crit

BA's

[drifting quest]

Or you dont care about minmax (tc channel yada yada) and field anyone

[next helm]

The lifeng thing sounds reasonable

I guess I just do pog or chen

Now just have to decide if I grab Rossi bp or tangtangs 💀

[odd wren]

I just do endmin all the way

The most generic way xd

[pliant stump]

Anybody have already numbers which make clear if Yvonne sig or Tangtang sig raises the team dmg more at the end? I just guess Yvonne sig but not sure. Have enough tickets for 80 weapon pulls now 🙂

[next helm]

Shuo your vibecrafting about tangtang weapons is that still true?

Or is the sheet better to reference

[real wedge]

Is there a damage formula somewhere?

[unreal light]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage_calculation

[real wedge]

thanks

[drifting quest]

Definitely outdated tt numbers are worse than it was based on

[next helm]

So BP is the way to go?

[drifting quest]

BP weapon is a lot worse than presumed

[next helm]

If you are not getting sig

[drifting quest]

It depends on what you use tt for if no sig

Since ultbot tt naturally gets nothing from bp

Mdps tt gets some value

[dry kindle]

just give us the hc stanza already

[next helm]

subdps

[inland quarry]

I'm waiting to see numbers on lr tt w/o sig

So far it seems like tt w/ lr is more subdps than support

[wispy shuttle]

has anyone tried onfielding tt in lr team? I'm wondering if TT being ranged or having different BA timings is advantageous in any way

[elder skiff]

probably only during lr ult animation or lr cs animation, you need lr to be onfield to receive xaihi’s bs amp iirc

[lean pawn]

Anyone got 50/50 rossi yet xd

[real wedge]

there's no 50/50 rossi iirc

[urban plaza]

The future unit being in the 50/50 was a special case for 1.0

Gotta wait 2,5 weeks til Rossi

[flat glen]

i imagine rossi's kit might not even in the game yet

[pure spoke]

Mi Fu when

[urban plaza]

Zhuang + Mi Fu in 1.2 I bet

Li Zhiyan for 1.3

[rare zodiac]

Well but then you lost amp buff from Xaihi BS for LR

[jagged stump]

anyone tried hyper carry tt?

[drifting quest]

Im in the process of building it yeah

Plenty of trims for it

[wispy shuttle]

i forgor

[jagged stump]

who the other 3?

[drifting quest]

Gilb Xaihi Perlica

[jagged stump]

ah same

[drifting quest]

TBD if perlica makes it a dual dps team or not

Got to test dropping xaihi if so

[lyric latch]

I having been controlling TT since the patch dropped on a LR team. Its very fun, but I think the optimal is to just control LR.

[jagged stump]

yeah im still trying in rhod and see, tried crit and full skill dmg gear as well

my perlica too strong that suddenly it doesnt feel hyper tt anymore

wish theres a preset so i dont have to reequip supp and dps gear

[edgy elk]

swap i guess? LR land first hit (25s xai buff) then go onfield tt for the rest

ideally you'd wna swap anyway since tt subdps so 20% gonna be nice

[rare zodiac]

A bit qs heavy no? You need to go back to LR once in a while to reset Xai buff

[edgy elk]

if boss dead why need cycle

[rare zodiac]

But i think it will work

[edgy elk]

fair enough tho. swap back is tiring

[rare zodiac]

Not that i dissing qs, i love qs, but can’t really recommend qs to a casual player at all

[edgy elk]

fair fair

personally i just like pressing buttons

[rare zodiac]

Like my friend is already sweaty just BA canceling Lae to squeeze 5 BA chain every ult

[edgy elk]

oh btw does combo skill cd keep ticking during ult cutscene

[rare zodiac]

Yea

Time stop doesn’t affect CS cd

[edgy elk]

i have a whack idea

[lusty kernel]

Is it max lv70 yellow gear ? But with different mats ?

Or is there going to be lv90 red gear

[rare zodiac]

70 for now

[real wedge]

anyone did calcs on lr w/ p0 khrav vs p5 prince?

[edgy elk]

LR TT speedkill rotation (need tt p1)-
m3 cs at p1 = 10s cd
put tt on frontiers set -> 8.5s cd
use two ults = stall ~3 secs?
dodge rhodagn = time slowdown
LR hit cycle = 4 seconds

is it just me or can you get two TT cs's across 2 LR fs's

then it'll be LR bs + xai bs -> tt cs -> [hella stall] -> LR bs x2 -> tt cs -> tt ult (10% susc) -> quick 4 stacks yay?

just brain dumping tho i'll playtest it tmr (when/if i get p1 tt)

[outer ermine]

p1 tt

whel

[real wedge]

👀

[quaint matrix]

wow,trimmed bull was so easy

[oblique frost]

Knew it, skipped her hahah

[peak void]

@twilit quail just noticed that alesh has been completely removed from yvonne page, maybe keep him in there as a budget option? pulling for 3 limiteds isnt exactly realistic

[quaint matrix]

is bp glorius memories any good for chen?

[drifting quest]

should be new bis

at p5

lower pots it varies

[drifting quest]

if you're running tangtang alesh rots are just worse than perlica or gilb rots

id assume thats the change

[quaint matrix]

do we know stats of rossi singature?

could it be bis for chen?

[drifting quest]

no info on rossi or her sig

until mid patch

[quaint matrix]

sadge

maybe it's bis on chen copege

[peak void]

well ofc its worse, alesh is budget after all

[flat glen]

we don't even have info o n rossi's numbers herself right?

[drifting quest]

correct

[quaint matrix]

they put the stupid crit stat again into chen's wpn

[drifting quest]

they didnt add her or her sig to the files

endless speculation why they didnt

but she's not there

[quaint matrix]

okay i guess we'll have to wait

[flat glen]

i mean there's time for them to change her numbers still

[dry kindle]

they added her voicelines tho

🗿

[sterile herald]

i wonder when we will get endmin p3

[quaint matrix]

the only interest in rossi for me is her singature being potentially good on chen

[drifting quest]

its less likely that sig is good for chen

since it should be ||fracture|| line which is harder to access

[flat glen]

it's probably gonna be worse tha the bp weapon is for chen

[quaint matrix]

or i can just r5 the bp one when i lvl my bp to 40

[flat glen]

there's so many ways for it to work for rossi taht makes it unusable for chen

"when you consume arts infliction"
any kind of arts/heat damage
etc

[quaint matrix]

yeah

but atleast you know

the bp one looks like this

instead of this fucking i dunno even how to call it

boat oar

a shovel

[drifting quest]

box cutter

[quaint matrix]

a pizza slicer

actually i doubt you can slice anything with it

real box cutter

like this

[frozen tide]

i didnt do in depth

wait what

my disc just updated

someone was asking for p5 sundered vs p0 khrav

[hoary anchor]

maybe we can get in here with rossis release? they seem to be about the same size as her

[frozen tide]

i dont have in depth calc or analysis on it but

i do have a cs dmg calculator

and looking at the cs dmg diff

[quaint matrix]

wow

new piece is less than a % better

[quaint matrix]

am i the guy to dump my fully artificed gloves?

[frozen tide]

khrav p0

sundered p5

with no buffs

[real wedge]

tf do i do with my p5 prince now.

[frozen tide]

its a lot better than lung

but

if you have khrav

that calc is also not accounting any atk buffs

rite team usually has some atk buffs

[real wedge]

nah i've got khrav, i was just wondering tf can i do with my p5 prince

[frozen tide]

bis ember!!!

build ember twin

[real wedge]

don't have ember 😔

[frozen tide]

🔥

cant think of anyone else who uses it

[quaint matrix]

what is khrav?

[frozen tide]

ember bis and rite cope weap

dont think da pan can use it

[quaint matrix]

oh nvm

[real wedge]

khravengger

[frozen tide]

khravengger lr sig

[quaint matrix]

yeah

[frozen tide]

khrav my beloved

❤️

[outer ermine]

[quaint matrix]

this thing stack up to 3 times?

[frozen tide]

yeah

[quaint matrix]

this passive wording is like

you get the buffs when u press ult,right?

[drifting quest]

yes

[quaint matrix]

so you have to press her skill and when she uses her ult she gets 1 stack? or you can get all 3?

[frozen tide]

on an unrelated note the bp gun looks so ass

[drifting quest]

any skill, not just battle skill, will generate a stack

battle skill, combo

i dont know how the interaction works if an ultimate generates a stack

[quaint matrix]

oh so you will always ult at minimum of 2 stacks

[smoky quarry]

Is this rossi bp?

[quaint matrix]

yeah

chen new bis i guess

now i won't feel guilty investing into 5* sword probably wasting all my resources to replace it

i think this sword will last long enough

thanks god rossi uses 1h sword

[drifting quest]

chen should pretty much always max out the buff

2c 1s

unless it's speedrunning which was always like rascent angle anyway

[quaint matrix]

oh

thanks god you can also farm this wpn essence in 1st region

i cba buying wulling passes

[frozen tide]

Bp p5 vs sundering p5 calcs when

[quaint matrix]

i need those bills for gear

[smoky quarry]

What's the avg %dps increase if you compare SS p5 and GM p5?

[honest hill]

slightly better non crit better when it crits

someone did make a spreadsheet for it

[frozen tide]

🤔

[smoky quarry]

I want to know numbers, if it's worthwhile to abandon SS that I have already leveled up and got potentials

[frozen tide]

Bp weap is better if accounting crits?

Is that it

[honest hill]

yeah i believe so

[frozen tide]

Sundering still putting up hands

[honest hill]

a lot of crits means it'll beat sundering

[frozen tide]

Against a p5 6 star

🔥

[quaint matrix]

nice 1st try

[honest hill]

tbf it's easy to P5 BP wep

[frozen tide]

I am aware

6 star weaps have higher output by default

[honest hill]

Oh I need this too

[frozen tide]

Which is why im impressed

Especially a dps weapon

[honest hill]

yeah

Op

[honest hill]

Look my xaihi

[frozen tide]

Nice

I don't even remember what my xaihi int is at

[honest hill]

My xaihi int went up w new armour by a lot

I think P0 det get 700 or close to

[quaint matrix]

isn't bp better even without crits at p5?

20% is like