theorycrafting

[smoky quarry]

They did it again 😭

[drifting quest]

do as you wish

[ocean hawk]

wait a minute, where did iana docs go

[drifting quest]

still there

[ocean hawk]

oh

my pin is bugged

[echo cove]

well if i can finish under 200s without ginseng, i can defo do faster w ginseng

[sudden sparrow]

so who do you slot in along with tangtang sahur?

[main nova]

its worth the research

[drifting quest]

perlica

triple dps

[echo cove]

perlica that good on yvone?

[leaden tartan]

AI perlica still kind of a support

[smoky quarry]

Artwork and animations are gonna be fire

[sudden sparrow]

do you get more value out of electrification than gilberta ult?

[drifting quest]

more that both tt and perlica buff each other and do alright personal damage

then both buff yvonne ult

more total team damage than buffing half of yvonne ult more

[sudden sparrow]

I see

[echo cove]

elaborate on the buff each other part

[drifting quest]

perlica combo applies electrification, buffs both tt and perlica damage

tt ult and skill applies susc (and then more damage taken via sig) which buffs both tt and perlica damage

[jagged tiger]

*do ass

[sudden sparrow]

does perlica's damage come from her ult

[echo cove]

[drifting quest]

primarily yes

but not exclusively

[sudden sparrow]

I assume the damage from basic attacks and combo skill is fairly negligible

[drifting quest]

it adds up over time but isnt some huge massive share

[alpine garnet]

Guys, what are the best stats for soup²? Arts intensity, ult gain or should I focus on anything else?

[echo cove]

is t2 susc not limited to just cryo?

is it art susc?

[sudden sparrow]

yeah

[alpine garnet]

Tryin to figure out th best equips for her

[sudden sparrow]

in fact in her combat training they pair her with perlica

and tell you to use perlica's ult after she applies arts suspec for extra damage

[leaden tartan]

Roster limited. Perlica good arts generalist. No combo requirement. Simple as.

I will say I really wish yvonne had tt's attack sequence.

[summer flicker]

finally a tt build

[echo cove]

interesting. didn't know that

tt perlica huh...

that does sound p fun

[outer ermine]

[summer flicker]

ye need the trust go up, i guess in 2 more day

[bronze plume]

4 standard pulls

[echo cove]

@drifting quest if u run t2 w perlica, who's wearing xira set?

[bronze plume]

thank you etchspace salvage

[drifting quest]

tangtang

not confirmed if its the best yet or not

[dawn patrol]

finally got home and did the trim oh my god bruh

[echo cove]

ah... huh...

[echo cove]

not gonna test xaihi xira, t2 bonekrusha?

xaihi xira chest, glove, tube + frontier tube

idk if that's enuf ult gain or not

[leaden tartan]

I was already using Xira Xaihi because I'm a lunatic and had hot work gilberta for bigger corrosion.

[echo cove]

go stagger gil

[dry kindle]

swordmancer gil

[echo cove]

the equip looks great rn

yeh swordmancer is quite good after update

[flat glen]

swordmancer gil?!

[leaden tartan]

Liftberta.

[echo cove]

u can defo use the chest ult gain+2 AI piece
then put in xira glove for sum more ult gain

it's actually good i think

abt 40+ stagger/cs

[flat glen]

oh right, and xaihi can use xiranite anyway so gilberta can just be freed up to use it "for free"

(and better uptime for xiranite)

what set to use for tangtang before i get the new set?

[echo cove]

less int for xaihi if u do xira set unfortunately

the chest piece suck

[drifting berry]

The gear update thing is after you unlock you push the main story correct?

[flat glen]

shitty nonoptimal bonecrusher pieces ?

[leaden tartan]

The uptime is kind of a big deal actually.

[echo cove]

meh, u buy em in shop

[echo cove]

xira xai?

[leaden tartan]

Yeah, gilberta being so late in the rotation.

While Xaihi is right away.

[echo cove]

i mean, gil is kinda a trash xira user anw

that's why ardelia is so good

[flat glen]

how good is yvonne team's aoe now that soup is here?

no non boss should survive gil bs>yvonne bs>gil, yvonne, xaihi, tang combo, tang bs?

[summer flicker]

just xira xaihi

struggle with mats, too poor

[echo cove]

i am rn calcing that, tho my lr team still prefer ard to gil so maybe not

i was gonna try it if i got t2 but i got p1 yvone instead

[flat glen]

spooked by dupe thermite cutter
build a second one so i don't have to juggle it between vanguards or just throw it into my existing one and keep juggling?

[lean pawn]

What race is mifu?

[smoky quarry]

that's just wasteful

[drifting quest]

sarkaz, apparently, but no idea where it gets confirmed in game

[rare dew]

builg for tang^2?

[lofty rapids]

Did laevatain ult charge build get an upgrade with 1.1?

[leaden tartan]

Looks like Kirin

Same race as Leizi... that's what I'm seeing at least.

[near robin]

I'd say to raise the dupe thermite. We might have an endgame mode that doesn't let us reuse the same weapon a team has used

[terse bridge]

[oak vigil]

Tbh never saw cases where you could use 2 TC in the same team

[main nova]

yvonee aoe? nah, more like gil+tangtang do the job and yvonne finish the rest

[real mist]

home longing seems to be mid?

[main nova]

its quite spectacle tbh

https://tenor.com/view/david-brent-the-office-ricky-gervais-thats-it-done-gif-12202083961184619139

[real mist]

like there's no teambase buff in it, how much is the gap between the bp for tangtang and her sig

[drifting quest]

significant

[smoky quarry]

Anything new for outpost management in 1.1?

Like, upgrades

[summer flicker]

it seems yvonne tt xaihi perlica > yvonen tt gilb xaihi > yvonne gilb tt xaihi (close difference tho)

[digital perch]

Guys for laev and yvonne did bis gear change ?

[drifting berry]

Camera distance option on setting is huge but for some reason I cannot change it's value? Anyone else having this issue?

stuck a 0

[marble sable]

How big is the gap currently between tangtang sig and her bp at p5? I bet its pretty similar for personal dmg just her sig has better teamdmg no?

[drifting berry]

Ok it got unstock

[flat glen]

considering the team's main damage would be from yvonne or last rite, that's still a pretty big gap though

can you use the 1.0 BP weapon pot thingy on 1.1 weapons?

or you can only use the 1.1 ones on 1.0

[paper sand]

whats tangtangs best gear assuming i havent unlocked any new gear from the update

[lyric latch]

Maygi early tc'd about 10%+ difference I think

[odd wren]

Ai with high will for pog lol

[flat glen]

how much team stagger would be with swordmancer gilb ?

[digital perch]

Did yvonnes bis gear change ?

[flat glen]

i thought he meant the best sets before unlocking the new sets?!

[paper sand]

three of those are from the update

[leaden tartan]

I don't see anything that would be an improvement.

[flat glen]

wait, isn't MI glove better with str agi BS damage?

[digital perch]

What abt laev

[smoky quarry]

What's about rare material autocollect?

[leaden tartan]

I think there's some stuff for her ult gain build.

[vale ice]

this works for dps tangtang? also wher to get new bonekrusha

[flat glen]

need to do the story quest to get access to new gear component to make it

like the 3rd quest or so

[summer flicker]

this is for sub dps tangtang, but i think similar set for dps prolly

[lean pawn]

So are the new cuprium...new stronger gear that you have to artifice from zero?

[flat glen]

not really stronger

just more stat combination that might be more suitable for someone

it's not like you can gear for a "support" tangtang anyway, especially since frontier doesn't work
no point putting xiranite on her when you can put it on xaihi/gil

[smoky quarry]

can't wait to cheat factory segment through #1461542035617091681 chat

[dawn patrol]

waiting for my goat leander to work his magic

[lean pawn]

More Ult gain equipment neat

[drifting berry]

finally

[flat glen]

i am still awaiting the day I can play Doom using the AIC factories

[flat glen]

how long did you hold onto it for ?

[drifting berry]

Haven't sell anything for a while, always buy whatever is cheap

That is like 10 days worth of buying

[golden rapids]

lr, perlica, xaihi and ardelia team
does anyone know if tangtang replaces perlica or ardelia?

[flat glen]

probably perlica, but optimally you wait for calcs I imagine

[steel summit]

i know its early, but im curious if the difference in damage between tangtang's signature and the new BP weapon is known. im sure her sig is better but wondering if its worth getting (and duping) the BP one in the meantime

[golden rapids]

when and where should I be able to see calcs? orjust keep asking there

[flat glen]

i imagine you're gonna need to wait a day or two

[golden rapids]

thanks

[flat glen]

since there were no test servers/leaks, no one has access to any numbers before

so people have to start from scratch when the patch came

[golden rapids]

yeah understood

[flat glen]

that's a lot of work

[golden rapids]

yeah a group of people does all the work and then we copy

[next helm]

I hope tho at one point that we can create teams ourself

There aren't many variations rn

The only difference is what you have rn

[flat glen]

I mean you can just play a team of Yvonne/Gilberta/Xaihi/TangTang or Last Rite/Ardellia/Xaihi/TangTang right now

It's gonna do more than fine and clear anything the game has to offer

[night jackal]

This is what I've been testing as well. Damage seems similar but that rotation having to pause a few seconds is pretty wonky. Alesh giving SP makes it so much smoother imo.

[heavy herald]

gear build for supreme chief?

[paper sand]

is crit tangtang possible? wedge looks so good on her

[wispy shuttle]

does tangtang need some form of ult recharge for timely ults?

[tranquil cedar]

Would perlica be better than ardelia right now?

[odd wren]

Ehh no fun but hey endmi. Swordmancer new kit is fun @terse raptor

[next helm]

I can try bosses now that game runs normal

[dawn patrol]

oh is it only 200s

it felt longer

[sterile herald]

how does glorious memory stack up against sundering steel for chen? it looks decent?

[drifting quest]

looking like an upgrade

exact calcs tbd

[tranquil cedar]

the poor mathcrafter losing their mind right now

[flat glen]

They are pretty close numbers wise iirc but depends on what's your potential for both like

[tranquil cedar]

I have ardelia P2 i think right now and soon soup2 p1

[flat glen]

Perlica?

[tranquil cedar]

P5

asking cause gilb dodge me with my 240 pull double pity soup2

[tight flame]

i got a random ardelia dupe and her weapon dupe from free rolls. How does p1 r1 ardelia compare with p0 gil (no sig) in LR teams?

[flat glen]

Perlica electrification might actually be a bigger debuff but I think it get diluted by detonation unit and TangTang sig

[tranquil cedar]

You use deto on ardelia and not xaihi?

[fierce nest]

this new trim feels longer for some reason. is it because im doing mechanics lmao

[flat glen]

i mean when it's on xaihi, the arts damage taken from detonation unit will dilute the electrification arts damage taken iirc
while ardelia's arts sus is her own thing

[vernal torrent]

what set does tangy want

[flat glen]

new bonecrusher ,at least the general concensus for now until calcs come out

the new bonecrusher pieces with cryo damage and such

[odd wren]

Almosttt

[median prism]

bruh this game, i cant play the same account on different devices. it keeps making new account even thought all the infos arev the same, yes i picked the same server in every log in

[odd wren]

New swordmancer kit doing its job lmao

[rare dew]

anyone have a tangtang build cooked up?

[edgy crater]

damn already max

[summer flower]

Anything in new sets of big consequences other than bonecrusha gloves?

[odd wren]

I need to farm ginseng lmao

[distant python]

hmmm new sword mancer pieces

on ember

[drifting quest]

split between xiranite and bonekrusha and a couple other wip testing stuff

[distant python]

for more stagger while not trolling my main stats

[summer flower]

Ohh yea right, strength ones

[drifting quest]

no solid consensus

wait for more calcs

[distant python]

however, arts intensity sucks

[vernal torrent]

so i dont need the new sets for now?

[distant python]

for ember

[drifting quest]

wait for more team testing

[distant python]

unless

[drifting quest]

she can dip into pieces from cuprium gear

[distant python]

i actually use ember skill

[drifting quest]

so get your factory going

[summer flower]

So good for solo ember

[edgy crater]

just batch craft red component, like u do on xira component

[vernal torrent]

man im so confused i might just delete my entire wuling base and find some new and improved formulas lol

idk whats optimal and whats nott ast this point kek

is red component easier than xira components to make?

[drifting quest]

you can try #1461542035617091681 but i dont know if there will be much going right now

haha

no

[distant python]

i mean currently my ember is full physical damage, i could swap the kits for strngth + arts intensity sword mancer for more stagger and use ember skill since im not building full physical damage anymore and arts intensity boosts the damage of knockdown and the stagger amount

[sterile herald]

just make xir components very slowly

[edgy crater]

make both

[distant python]

i have 30k xiranite components saved rn

[sterile herald]

i make like

0.3 xir components a minute

[distant python]

just use 1 lane of xiranite to split between both componnts

[edgy crater]

also red component placement kinda weird consider needing water input on refiner

[odd wren]

Haha im done with red compo

I just needed the swordmancer kit

[bronze plume]

thats why they made the thing that lets you have water come from underground

[distant python]

i havent finished the story yet

i had to go to uni

:(

[odd wren]

Thanks to ryzen

[dry mist]

Do I restart my acc for be unlucky getting Tang tang at 120 pulls? Did I make a mistake getting her? Am I able to save for new characters? I am hella scared rn that I won’t get enough for future character especially zhuang T-T

[bronze plume]

1. Why would you.
2. This game is easy it doesnt matter
3. shockingly playing the game and not pulling lets you save
4. why are you scared its a video game its not that deep

[edgy crater]

u still need to place outlet (?) or can u go from inlet into any machine?

haven't test it

[dry mist]

It like my first time pulling on the limited banner T-T

[bronze plume]

well no the inlet goes underground outlet brings it back up

[bronze plume]

it doesnt matter

its just a video game

[drifting berry]

We don't even know how many pulls we are getting this patch, let alone next patch.

[sterile herald]

😭

[bronze plume]

if you regret pulling a limited you shoulda done more research

it is not worth restarting fully no matter what in the first place

if you dont find enjoy from the game just dont play it

[dry mist]

It not that I regret getting it just am I really unlucky?

[edgy crater]

yeah, need slight adjustment then, gonna do dat later

[green zinc]

There's like, well over 200+ total farmable pulls even from 1.0 alone. 1.1 probably brought a few more. You are fine

[sterile herald]

W ragebait

[bronze plume]

all it is, is another machine

[bronze plume]

why would you think you are unlucky for getting the limited character

[edgy crater]

[distant python]

you lose your 50/50 at 80, so yeah you need to do full 120, it is what it is

[edgy crater]

addicted gambler detected

[dry mist]

I hard pity her T-T

[bronze plume]

babys first gacha

[flat glen]

Sometimes I wonder about what's going on in the brains of some gacha players

[bronze plume]

happens means nothing

[distant python]

hard pity is pretty common to hit if you lose your 50/50

[bronze plume]

i hard pitied laevatain twice but i dont feel the need to waste all the times ive spent and reset

[edgy crater]

if u already crying on hard pity, fgo wanna know ur location

[flat glen]

P1 laevaetain or dupe account

[bronze plume]

p1

why tf would i waste time with a alt

[flat glen]

there are plenty of weirdo gacha players like that

[distant python]

since the spark is at 120 and 6 star pity is 80, if you lose 50/50 the spark hits before you get to soft pity for next 6 star

[lyric latch]

hard pity at least means you got lots of arsenal tickets for her weapon.

[green zinc]

How has Tangx2 been looking as a DPS? Or fairly cope compared to Yvonne/Last Rite?

[bronze plume]

cope obviously

[wispy shuttle]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1jccCzvEFo/?buvid=XU70EDC7A1E0B397701A3BD25B7ED25984022

[flat glen]

honestly without previous arsenal tickets stock up

is 120 pulls even enough to guarantee a signature weapon?

[dry kindle]

No

[bronze plume]

no

[drifting berry]

Hell nah

[distant python]

fortunately the weapon banners last for the next 3 banners

[wispy shuttle]

it's about 240 pulls more like

[flat glen]

sometimes i feel like the weapon system is kinda burnt

[drifting berry]

I saw something about 240

[distant python]

and the bp in theory gives an alternate option

[sterile herald]

i quite like the weapon system honestly

[distant python]

for weapons

[sterile herald]

the whole gacha system in this game appeals to me

[bronze plume]

you stand alone

[wispy shuttle]

im happy we have an accessible weapon system at all. im coming from hoyo games

[sterile herald]

shrug

[swift tundra]

Is it worth proccing corrosion with Gilberta Ult or is the multiplier on it so low that it's not worth modifying your rotation for it?

[drifting quest]

4corro stuff is worth it in some teams

[sterile herald]

i stand alone then

[distant python]

we do need more arsenal ticks gain from weeklies

[sterile herald]

so be it

[flat glen]

hypothetically
if you throw money at it
what's the best route to get weapons?
the 2k arsenal ticket packs
throw money at the gacha to convert to arsenal ticket
straight conversion of arsenal ticket

[drifting quest]

tt carry does it, electric does it

[drifting berry]

The issue is that outside of pulling you have no other ways to get arsenal tickets, you cannot even convert Orundum to Arsenal Tickets, only Originium at a horrible rate.

[wispy shuttle]

im with ya man

[drifting berry]

I still like the system tho

[drifting quest]

but teams that want their inflicitons like (yvonne/lr)cryo or heat dont

[summer flower]

Man, games that I was like no weapons at all because just pulling characters

[lyric latch]

How many potentials is that?

[drifting quest]

'0+1'

[outer ermine]

0+1

[wispy shuttle]

watch the video. p0

[green zinc]

Considering I rarely pulled for weapons early on into games in the first place, lowkey same

[bronze plume]

is this new redeemer chest piece even worth it for laev ult set

[flat glen]

what is 0+1, p0 + sig?

[dawn patrol]

looks like it is

[wispy shuttle]

yesn't?

[lyric latch]

Time to build dps TT then

[dawn patrol]

since it's just straight int instead of int/str

[drifting quest]

probably yes but i havent checked the exact math

[summer flower]

Why not write it as 0/1?

Why +

[flat glen]

btw is there a reason laevaetain is called 42 in china? because it sounds like surtr?

[dry kindle]

Jacket

[summer flower]

Why the heck writing have changed to worse

[bronze plume]

if only i could succed my gyatt damn gearing things

[wispy shuttle]

also why not 0/0, since the sig is unduped

[dawn patrol]

i cba to artifice more gear so i'm not even gonna switch over

[edgy crater]

hifu, u change xaihi chest with new redeemer?

[swift tundra]

Feels like Tangtang weapon would be better if it has Ult efficiency. At it's current state, I wished there was a stanza equivalent for guns. 😩

[distant python]

because people dont always have sig

[flat glen]

second 0 i guess implies "non-sig"

so you need 1 to imply sig

[summer flower]

It's even worse then writing

[outer ermine]

i havent done shit yet i just logged in

[wispy shuttle]

i vote for 0/- for non sig 😛

[outer ermine]

[edgy crater]

[dry kindle]

Smh

[summer flower]

No, second zero implies there is sig

No Sig would be just 0

[edgy crater]

new redeemer got +115 int n was it 12 ulti gain lol

[summer flower]

This works nicely as well

[distant python]

just called the character bricked if you dont have sig

[outer ermine]

i was playing the whole night trying to finish story and my supervisor was just watching me

[distant python]

i have bricked last rite

[dawn patrol]

17 days until rossi i'm crine

[outer ermine]

[edgy crater]

yes

[summer flower]

Yea

[edgy crater]

[summer flower]

+115 int

[flat glen]

Who has lower int between TangTang and Chen?

[distant python]

holy xaihi piece?

we are int stacking sooo hard rn

[outer ermine]

holy 12.9 uge too

lemme play catch up

[edgy crater]

im sure u can reach 700int p0 deto with new redeemer chest

[outer ermine]

[edgy crater]

[distant python]

imagine is xaihi was int main stat and we could slab

[sterile herald]

do we know anything about rossi weapon

[dawn patrol]

no

[summer flower]

There is secondary stat %

[edgy crater]

nope

[sterile herald]

damn

[dawn patrol]

we have datamined essence but that's it

[sterile herald]

do we know when thermite is coming in shop

[dawn patrol]

no

[sterile herald]

damn

gg bro

[distant python]

just pull for soup sig

and get thermite off rate

[sterile herald]

soup

who the fuck is soup

[edgy crater]

tang

[distant python]

tang translates to soup (ignoring tones and shit)

[sterile herald]

i see

[summer flower]

Ohh

[sterile herald]

not doing that

😅

[summer flower]

Soup

[sterile herald]

i don’t play ice

[summer flower]

Soup

It's water

It's soup

[distant python]

pretty sure a version of tang also translates to hot

[summer flower]

Hot soup

[distant python]

which is funny for a cryo character

[summer flower]

Okay yea nice

[terse raptor]

hmmm

its lower ATK

[distant python]

i need to brush up on my chinese

[flat glen]

her chinese name's word is exactly soup

no need to ignore tones and shit

[distant python]

nice

[flat glen]

it's literalyl SoupSoup

[distant python]

soup^2

[summer flower]

Wait

Shouldn't it be then soups?

[dry kindle]

Soup square

[summer flower]

No... Like person and you have person person means people right?

Many soup

[smoky quarry]

Had to throw laptop in a freezer cause of overheating

how's the optimization in the update?

I'm getting 15 fps on same config

[flat glen]

We have no idea in Rossi's numbers right ?

[edgy crater]

88 standard to me

[distant python]

ive been having stuttered ever since last patch

[flat glen]

Good way to kill a laptop with condensation

[proud vector]

Not improved apparently

[distant python]

my gpu isnt going above 50% utilisation for some reason

[smoky quarry]

skill issue

just don't overheat

[proud vector]

maybe it’s because we have more AIC stuff

That is constantly loaded in

[smoky quarry]

It's being rendered by servers, not client

[proud vector]

Or maybe intern Kun broke whatever masterful optimisation there was at launch

Yeah idk the details haha

Baseless speculation

[smoky quarry]

35 gb of optimized assets

[drifting berry]

Performance for me the same so far

Still waiting for cloud gaming on endfield or something

[tight haven]

true

[summer flower]

If they would give us mobile optimised version on PC

[drifting berry]

Like I'm getting a pc at some point, but rather be able to play on the mean time

[grand lagoon]

anyone got "Entropic Reduction" medal? got solidified 10 times....

like which enemy solidify? the purp guy?

[proud vector]

At least the story improved according to hearsay

[nocturne olive]

opinion on the new int ult gain armor piece for surtr ?

[summer flower]

Phone?

[drifting berry]

Now I'm on laptop

[edgy crater]

yeah, the tidalklast, just rerun wuling essence node

[summer flower]

Mobile version runs nicely meanwhile my laptop struggles

[grand lagoon]

k got it

[drifting berry]

I got a fan next top my laptop for it to not melt

[feral fractal]

anyone got the new trim yet?

[distant python]

my phone runs this game at 60 fps low settings better than my pc, idk how this happens

[summer flower]

Have you checked mobile if it works?

[edgy crater]

yeah, its easy

[distant python]

but i hate using phone controls

[smoky quarry]

cause half of the assets are stripped

[summer flower]

Prerendered cutscene shows that

You get HD models in that

[dawn patrol]

it felt longer than it took ngl

[edgy crater]

maybe, didn't notice it

anyway, dat bull basically works same as Doritos

including 0 hp bug

[summer flower]

Is lower bar supposed to be phases?

Cause it went only to half

[edgy crater]

no idea

maybe if u cant kill it during stagger phase

[grand lagoon]

NO, its just usual stagger bar, doesnt matter how much....

the first phase, you have to wait until it did a big jump and start hitting while dodge and he will get staggered. If u kill it now, it enter 2nd phase (last). If u didnt, he will start to drop 3 green balls, collect it, now he became stagger the 2nd time, repeat. but idk what happened if it reach 4th stagger and u havent kill this 1st phase.

2nd phase (last), is just chasing green ball, and boss got staggered, usually more or less enough to finish the boss (it only has half hp)

[gaunt mason]

felt like he had less than 30k hp

[distant python]

i think they are trying to make bosses a mechanics check

instead of a dps check

i think thats cool

remindes me of mmos

where even if you have overlevelled stuff, if you fuck up mechanics you wipe

[summer flower]

DPS check should be in re-crisis

[bronze plume]

the problem with that is the fight minus the mechanics has to be hard first

[summer flower]

?

[distant python]

fights being hard due to the bosses having tons of hp is really boring

[summer flower]

Think, would boss be hard if you started new account and went with story without break in it to level stuff up and etc?

[distant python]

and having easy dodges kinda means that no matter how much damage the boss does, its still easily beatable unless you give it bullshit attack patterns

[shrewd saffron]

|| the last boss re crisis was just a dps check from what I could tell? I got one run where I didn't kill him in first stagger and I had to wait through 3 phases, redid and got him in first phase and he went into green orb phase unless there's a mechanic in clueless about ||

[summer flower]

Pretty sure we are overleveled for this

[bronze plume]

no, it would not be hard

[edgy crater]

we do

[summer flower]

Overleveled as heck

[civic wolf]

Tangtang or Yvonne sig?

[summer flower]

By what? 25 levels

[bronze plume]

what am i doing besides pressing a dodge button and running over to some little orbs that then insta stagger the boss

[edgy crater]

any lvl 90 op with actual team can clear it

[distant python]

i think tangtang, idk though, wedge is close to yvonne sig in terms of performance

[odd wren]

Ehh

[summer flower]

You dodge all attacks ever?

[odd wren]

It wasnt thst hard

[civic wolf]

i use Navigator instead cuz no Wedge

[edgy crater]

its not hard

but fun enough

[bronze plume]

no but if i dont dodge

[distant python]

i mean thats just having a easy dodge making combat easy

[bronze plume]

i have this thing

called healing

[distant python]

how would you make the boss hard then?

without just increasing its hp

[summer flower]

Instakilling?

[edgy crater]

u don't even need a single heal for bull

[distant python]

beucase things taking longer to die becuase of raw numbers is soo boring

[bronze plume]

combat can be challenging with having a dodge button

[summer flower]

And 300 millions hp

With 95% resistnaces

[distant python]

so you disagree with the dodge button being a thing?

[bronze plume]

make it actually have mechanics that are challenging

[bronze plume]

no?

[distant python]

like what then?

what challenging mechanics would you add

[bronze plume]

damn i work at HG now

W

[summer flower]

Boss attacks you, meanwhile you have to sovle robot puzzles within 5 sec window

[distant python]

🔥

that would be quite funny

[summer flower]

If not you get one shot, you can leave puzzle to dodge

XDDD

[odd wren]

With the new swordmancer kit on endmin no food

[wispy shuttle]

fortnite style building during combat

[summer flower]

Okay nvm, puzzle reseting would be too hard

[wispy shuttle]

spam turrets while dodging

[summer flower]

Or just fishing for correct puzzle

[distant python]

the dodge button makes normal boss attacks a non issue

[uncut kestrel]

What essence stats to focus on for wolfgard?

[wispy shuttle]

true, my fingers are the issue

[summer flower]

Roghadan has attack that's quite iffy to get timing for

[distant python]

so just increasing damage makes the game really annoying for casuals but for decent players it doesnt change anything

[summer flower]

But there are walls

[distant python]

increasing hp just makes things a dps check

which again is annoying for casuals

but decent players with good build

will still kill stuff easily

you need mechanics that provide the same level of challenge no matter how much you have invested into your team or not

[summer flower]

Meanwhile TC guy comes in, with mathematically correct gear, full artificed, full etched essences and mathematically correct weapons

With their team being overleveled due to content delays

And complaining it's too easy

[distant python]

but then if you add actual challenge not related to raw numbers, the whales complain that they cant nuke the content

[summer flower]

I would say, for challenge

Umbral trimmed should be there

Not story boss

[unreal light]

They could have delayed the overlevelling, leaving us at 80

[digital scroll]

Didn't they nerf the boss in 1.0 because too hard

[distant python]

they nerfed marble attack damage

yeah

[bronze plume]

they nerfed a lot of things in 1.0

[summer flower]

Wouldn't it be complaints about not being able to trim bosses?

[bronze plume]

its the gacha game tax

[distant python]

you cant lock rewards behind dps checks

[eternal ruin]

phys team artifice arts intensity on endmin first?

[wispy shuttle]

only vanity

[unreal light]

Who can’t trim has a skill issue

[distant python]

i wouldnt mind the trimmed crisis medals having harsher time checks

[eternal ruin]

anyone?

[distant python]

or maybe

[summer flower]

Okay, trim with new account within 24hrs

[distant python]

trimmed recrisis is for beating a run no hit

thoughts?

[unreal light]

You should start with your mainstat

[distant python]

the true skill check

[summer flower]

Or even better trim it within 12hrs

[distant python]

nah this thing sucks to time limit stuff

[summer flower]

Not arts? Due to crush?

[distant python]

on endmin its arts intensity 1st

crush is such a huge part of endmins damage

[eternal ruin]

that's what i was thinking

[unreal light]

Well you already have arts in your gear pieces and GV

[distant python]

btw with endmins p2

[unreal light]

Body and gloves should always prioritize mainstat

[distant python]

is that attack buff, 15% of endmins attack given to everyone

[unreal light]

Kits should always prioritize third stat

[distant python]

or just increases each teammates attack by 15% of their current

[unreal light]

Unless it’s an offset kit

[unreal light]

Of their own base atk

[distant python]

okay so building stats for attack on endmin is less important

compared to raw arts intensity

[unreal light]

Wdym You damage with atk

[distant python]

yeah but arts intensity is more damage per upgrade

[unreal light]

What made you believe that?

[drifting quest]

vibecrafting

[distant python]

intuitively this makes sense, i have not actually done calcs

[eternal ruin]

okay, so main stat?

[distant python]

i am vibecrafting yes

[unreal light]

Only on body

[eternal ruin]

yeah

[unreal light]

Kit doesn’t get much from mainstat

[eternal ruin]

im aware of the doubled pity on kit as well

[drifting quest]

unless its shatter (and even then tbh) mainstat is more gain than ai

[distant python]

things that affect a specific stat tend to be a bigger multipler in damage to that specific part of their kit compared to general stuff

[drifting quest]

assuming its primary line

it gets iffier for main stat on secondary lines

[distant python]

i feel like most of endmins damage is crush though?

[drifting quest]

ult is a significant portion too at higher investment

[distant python]

and arts intensity is a bigger multiplier to that then getting some stats

[unreal light]

It scales off atk

[distant python]

fair

[drifting quest]

main stat buffs crush damage too

you buff both

ai only buffs crush

[distant python]

yeah but arts intesity buffs it more than attack

[drifting quest]

where is this coming from

[unreal light]

What made you believe that

[distant python]

it depends on the ratio of crush damage to ult damage

41% arts intesity is 40% more damage on crush no?

[unreal light]

But you have more than 41 ai

[distant python]

comapred to 100 agility on top of base agility

[drifting quest]

so like

[distant python]

i mean you manage both

cuase they are different buckets

of multipliers

[drifting quest]

its a combination of opportunity cost, extra value from GV, ult being a notable part of total damage

and several other factors

you're going to do both anyway

[distant python]

yes

[drifting quest]

but if you're merely comparing 1 vs the other

main stat (ignoring the edge cases of like sec line main att on a kit or something)

gains more

[unreal light]

Also your basic attacks do a somewhat portion of the damage

[drifting quest]

basics skills and combos all add up yes

its awkward though because of how much physical can quickswap

[unreal light]

Your swordmancer scales off atk

[somber torrent]

what do you think is the best gear for tangtang

[distant python]

what prportion of endmins damage is crush btw?

[drifting quest]

too early to tell there's like 5 builds

differs based on team as well

[unreal light]

It really depends on your team, and on the role your TT takes

[valid palm]

Just looked at new gear. The new Strength/Will pieces for Swordmancer, especially the kits with Arts Intensity, look good for Estella, no?

[distant python]

is full stagger ember now real with the new sword mancer pieces, AI + strength kit looking good

[valid palm]

Even if it kind of sucks it's Strength primary and Will secondary, it's still better than what she was stuck with before imo

[unreal light]

Fluorite didn’t get anything from this update

[valid palm]

Especially if you already have someone else on the team already running the buff set

[distant python]

next patch for sure

1.2 will surely give a new set based around inflictions and combo skills

[valid palm]

I dunno, they seem to be specifically targeting Fluorite to AVOID giving her anything

[edgy crater]

nah, fracture lol

[valid palm]

Tangtang's new guns were like, hand-crafted to specifically not work with Fluorite

despite how easy it would have been

neither the sig nor the battle pass

[distant python]

gg

[gritty briar]

the bp weapon was ragebait for fluorite players

[edgy crater]

bp gun literally spite fluorite lol

[distant python]

how does the bp weapon work on soup compared to sig?

[gritty briar]

they put nature in there for literally no reason except ragebait

[unreal light]

Depends on the team, as her sig increases arts damage taken on enemies

[valid palm]

Literally if they had just. Swapped the effects and triggers for Tangtang's sig, Fluorite would have loved it

[main nova]

just give her obj stuff so it would match her green outfit

[distant python]

for yvonne team

[somber torrent]

Mostly for a team arround Yvonne, maybe a 2 carry team, i heard it's gonna be strong with for Tangtang and Rossi banners

[unreal light]

The difference will be a lot, as your Yvonne will do increased damage when TT has sig

And won’t do increased damage when TT has bp

[distant python]

fuck

i really dont wanna have to pulls soup weapon

[unreal light]

Don’t pull

It’s all trimmable

[distant python]

i would rather be able to save for lifeng or LR sig

[main nova]

relax how many damage you want to make

[unreal light]

With or without her sig

[distant python]

although i dont even use either of them rn

im still using my pog + ember team

[unreal light]

You know whales cry as of how boring their gameplay feels

[distant python]

i mean

gameplay boring becuase only using 1 team

[main nova]

go back to factory

[distant python]

currently building electric team

then i will build yvonne

i think arclight electric team seems the most fun

many button presses

and positioning

[unreal light]

Gameplay boring cause the team removes the entire continents from existence with a blink of an eye

[distant python]

physical is only funny in recrisis

becuase i perma stagger them

pog in open world fucking sucks

everything dies before i can apply phys status

[unreal light]

That’s fake

[distant python]

to proc sp

[unreal light]

You just kill them with pog

[distant python]

i kill them with anything

pog cant sp regen

in open world

they all die before i can stack

[unreal light]

Why would you need sp regen in open world

[distant python]

alluvium

turrets slow

[unreal light]

Just place 15 turrets

[distant python]

i did

its still slow

[unreal light]

And watch some yt

[distant python]

if i can attack the enemies

its slow

and if i attack the enemies

they die

[unreal light]

Use better turrets

[distant python]

i get no phys status

i have like 8 HE grenade and 2 surge/high singel target

[unreal light]

I’m sure you can place 15 turrets

[distant python]

in wuling yeah

v4 some areas still capped to 10

depression

[unreal light]

Ahh I see ty

[drifting quest]

most of the v4 ones have safe spaces you can stand to cheese anyway

[distant python]

i dont want to cheese

i want it to end asap

i want to play the game and fight enemies

but pog sucks at fighting things that explode immediately

[red topaz]

so, what was cooked with tt?

[edgy crater]

play with lvl 60 team

[distant python]

true i will start using my electric team

actually i recently got my avy to e4

i think my chen is still e3 at 80/80

[wispy shuttle]

still in the oven

[distant python]

but chen skill + combo still does like 25k

so

[red topaz]

[distant python]

i want the game to actually make me care about enemy elemental resistances

maybe even add a boss that only staggers under certain conditions to make physical teams weaker

[red topaz]

isnt that exactly the new boss

[edgy crater]

btw, does turbo ulti set worth on tang2? assuming she just ulti bot + holding sig

[distant python]

but laevatain reduces enemey heat res so that clearly isnt gonna be a design decision

[distant python]

i know latest umbreal stage 3 kinda did it, i havent done the new story yet though

so ill see

[edgy crater]

dats from legacy game

[distant python]

oh

good

i dont have laevetain

so

i cant read unless i go to wiki

[outer ermine]

making copium comp now

[fossil elm]

any ideas what tangtang should wear?

[summer flicker]

tangtang make killing trash mob even faster

[signal sundial]

is all skill damage % any good for avywenna?

[edgy crater]

do u even need dat qol where most ow mob got 2-3 tap

[signal sundial]

this is the current one reccommended in guides i think

[fossil elm]

does MI security suit for tangtang?

[summer flicker]

make them disappear even faster

[honest hill]

@summer flicker what the set for tt

I make later

[honest hill]

most of her dmg is battle skill so

it might be better idk

[honest hill]

ty ty and u said M3 BS and ult?

[summer flicker]

m3 bs, cs, and ult

[green cipher]

I wonder how old tangtang actually is

[summer flicker]

kekw

[honest hill]

wait are u fr tho

I mean I have way more than enough crowns

[summer flicker]

m3 ult for dmg, m3 bs for 12s cd, m3 bs for 10% art susc

[outer ermine]

laffff

nvm i see the sc

[dusk isle]

What is the priority

[honest hill]

kk

[summer flicker]

she do like 1/5 ~1/6 yvonne dmg

[summer flicker]

ofc bs > ult > cs

[honest hill]

I'll do in that order

[summer flicker]

cuz cs you prolly dont notice that much of a diff going from 13s to 12s

[green cipher]

Tangtang cc works on bosses though

[dusk isle]

Alr thanks

[tranquil cedar]

P1 is 11 s

[honest hill]

u got her?

[tranquil cedar]

[green cipher]

[summer flicker]

her cs you can keep at lvl 9

if you dnt want the extra 1s cd

[honest hill]

and normals at lv1?

[summer flicker]

14s

[dusk isle]

I felt the urge to gamble during an insufferable lab session

[summer flicker]

14s
lvl 9 :13s
m3: 12s

[honest hill]

lol

[summer flicker]

oh you mean normal

maygidrool

ye, i gues

or just level that up too

[honest hill]

kk

[compact bridge]

That lynx glove hurt my eye

[tranquil cedar]

10s with p1 then nice

[honest hill]

is it needed

idk

could lv 6

[summer flicker]

you need the ult eff

[honest hill]

cheap

[summer flicker]

kekw

[tranquil cedar]

Auto is not important if you don't onfield her i guess

[compact bridge]

How much exactly?

[outer ermine]

dps soupsoup

[summer flicker]

depend on rot

28.8% if you can 4cs tangtang, 5 bs teamwide

[compact bridge]

All sp are for tangtang

[summer flicker]

doesnt change, rot of tangtang is strictly 4cs + 1 bs + 1 ult

even dps rot i think

more energy is needed if you dont do 4 cs

[compact bridge]

Im tempted to get that 10s cs p1

[summer flicker]

i plan to pull on rossi

i can lose to yvonne p1 and tangtang p1

both are like qol stuff

[compact bridge]

Me too, but they dont joke when they said tangtang is very good by herself

Somehow i still dont have xaihi after other 5* at max pot

[fickle knot]

Is Yvonne with tangtang and upgrade for Yvonne?

[drifting quest]

too early to tell

[summer flicker]

small upgrade

[drifting quest]

anyone who says yes or no definitively is lying

[summer flicker]

well its wip from maygi

but ~5%

[drifting quest]

is this the

perlica tt

[summer flicker]

yes

[drifting quest]

yvonne personal damage

thats lwoer than

perl gilb

[summer flicker]

wip, so well things could change after further digging as always

but gilb tangtang is better than gilb perlica

[compact bridge]

But tangtang personal damage cant be ignored like gilberta personal dmg

[small fulcrum]

Does tangtang need her weapon a lot or can i just skip it

[summer flicker]

yes

[small fulcrum]

yes to which one

[drifting quest]

which is why its taking time to sort things though

a ton of tt builds

a ton of tt teams

[summer flicker]

need weapon kek

[small fulcrum]

fml thanks

[drifting quest]

ill need to sift through maygis

[summer flicker]

ye her personal dmg is pretty good

that's why im m3 everything

(except basic ig)

[drifting quest]

there's a bunch of calcs that are dps losses

rotations too

different lengths

massively different

[summer flicker]

rot for tangtang

[compact bridge]

Aint no way tangtang is better for last rite, i need to see their assumption

[summer flower]

Tang tang might be due to personal damage

[vernal torrent]

is yvonne tangtang better than laev f2p?

[drifting quest]

her personal damage is relevant yes

[summer flower]

Yea, hard to replace Chen due to fact

[drifting quest]

there is no straight answer for this

[summer flicker]

well you can watch the live theorycraft

or offline, since its alr end

you can watch vod tho

[warped sorrel]

can tangtang be dps or dont

[compact bridge]

Cant, busy trying to catch up the update lol

[summer flicker]

similar concept to my yvonne rot

[drifting berry]

Prob similar case has Perlica or Fluorite dps

[drifting quest]

as with everything

[summer flicker]

somewhat, she has dmg but its lower than dedicate dps

[drifting quest]

we're what not even 12h into the patch

we dont know shit yet

[compact bridge]

Tangtang dps is around chen level

[drifting quest]

where is chen level coming from

[summer flower]

XD

Then yea

[warped sorrel]

give me tangtang main dps team please

[drifting quest]

chen should be doing a decent bit more dps

[winged grove]

Is her wep worth getting over gils

[compact bridge]

But not at a main dps level

[summer flicker]

gilb have stanza

tangtang got nother as 2nd option

bruh kekw

[drifting quest]

gilb requires sig for some rots

tt doesnt require sig for anything

[summer flicker]

you lose out on personal dmg and 9.8% art dmg taken

[vernal torrent]

whats the consensus on pulling for tangtang

if i have yvonne, worth to grab?

[summer flicker]

if you like her then pull

if no then dont

[summer flower]

Simple as that

[summer flicker]

she's a very small increase

[drifting berry]

General question deserve general answers. "Is Tangtang good for Yvonne" It depends "Should I get Tangtang signature" Maybe "Should I get Tangtang" Can you?

[winged grove]

Really? I have like 10k arsenal should i skip gilbertas weapon as well...?

[summer flicker]

im waiting for maygi to wake up to ask her if sig vs stanza in this time(tangtang yvonne gilb xaihi) is the difference big

[drifting quest]

theres a lot to consider

sig is very good

[summer flicker]

[drifting quest]

good sheep

[winged grove]

Guess ill just hold out for abit longer

[drifting quest]

we dont know shit

something something tap the sign

[summer flicker]

ye, in like 12h or sth kekw

there no cc server or sth

there r no pre theorycraft kekw

[drifting quest]

it'll take days

maybe weeks

for things to settle

[drifting berry]

I was betting on CC having early access

[drifting quest]

no leaks no cc server

[summer flicker]

i dont even know if there cc server kek

[summer flower]

There were done tho

[bronze plume]

whoever decided to put a aurylene and a big gold chest all the way at the bottom in the middle of both the water wheels

i dont like you

[warped sorrel]

sadly cc has no early access

[summer flower]

XD

[warped sorrel]

they are clueless

[drifting berry]

We didn't even got on official guide or something, those ones are usually bad but at least could answer some question while tcs work

[compact bridge]

Tangtang sig is really good tho, its a big personal dps increase and got potential for some team dps increase

[summer flicker]

i prefer not having sus guides

[summer flicker]

imean gilb sig

kekw

tangtang sig alr settle

gilb sig has stanza to compete

kekw

[summer flower]

I mean we have Dooming before operator is out

[drifting berry]

Mainly saying because how confused people are with tt gear.

[summer flicker]

i have 10k at to spare after tangtagn sig, im considering it depend on how much is the difference

[compact bridge]

That one.. maybe just stanza it cost you 400 arsenal lol

[drifting quest]

there is not

[summer flicker]

would the dev know tho

[drifting quest]

or if there is then not a single cc has leaked it and several have said they werent invited

[summer flower]

How to lose job 101

[summer flicker]

literally my first instinct is xiranite ult eff stacking

[drifting berry]

Prob not, they even forgot to add tt gears before the sending the patch

[drifting quest]

tt has like 5 gear choices

[summer flicker]

but bonecrusher seems to be better/best

[drifting berry]

It didn't release, it escaped

[drifting quest]

none are immediate standouts and it varies per team

[summer flower]

Bonekrusher getting gloves is huge

[compact bridge]

What else to be confused? Just slap some bone crusher pieces with agy/str lol

[drifting quest]

so it's going to take time to average things, equalize assumptions, calc at various investment levels, etc etc

[summer flicker]

useless ahh gloves kekw

need the ult eff

😭

[drifting berry]

refering to folk on #help

[tranquil cedar]

P4 tangtang for ult eff trust

[summer flower]

Those ain't ones I was talking about

[summer flicker]

p4 tangtang can just prolly no ult eff gear

[drifting berry]

Early on there were like 3 people per minute asking for tt gear

[summer flicker]

cuz potential of 5 combo / rotation

[compact bridge]

Just tell them try to use anything that make sense, but hold on artifice stuff

[summer flicker]

kekw

of p1

but why 5 combo even 😭

you 2 combo, skill, 2 combo ult

[tranquil cedar]

P1 tang feel nice

[summer flicker]

1 combo literally go into rip

or maybe you kill 1 xaihi skill

and go for tangtang skill 1 more

kekw

[tranquil cedar]

Getting to P1 at double pity is less nice

[summer flicker]

tangtang keeps stealing sp from xaihi

[tranquil cedar]

Guess it's time to play on field lr

I got 3 sunder before getting tang2 weapon

[summer flicker]

i iwsh i got like 1 more 6* weapon

[bronze plume]

oh my god

[summer flicker]

but the game just give me tangtang for the first 10 pull

[bronze plume]

they finally made etch essenceing not make me want to vomit

[summer flicker]

the thermite, jet, chilvaric is gone

[outer ermine]

u too lucky for ur own good

[summer flicker]

😭

[outer ermine]

should have gave it to me

[summer flicker]

i was literally on discord call with my friend

[tranquil cedar]

I HATE YOU

[summer flicker]

i said i can only lose like 2/7

kekw

[tranquil cedar]

i got 2 tang in 240 pull

[outer ermine]

[summer flicker]

tangtang in 30 pull

i want yvonne p1 but i guess the game say no

[warped sorrel]

[tranquil cedar]

And only 1 Yvonne no gil spook

[next helm]

Literally had to go to guarantee for everything so far

[tranquil cedar]

240 pull of shame

Good thing i don't want rossi mi fu or zheng

[compact bridge]

I got like 6 6* weapon after 50 arsenal pull, but no tangtang gun yet so need to wait until rossi banner

[tranquil cedar]

[warped sorrel]

tangtang time stop is kinda short

[tranquil cedar]

4s yeah

[summer flicker]

yes 5s

wait 4s

[drifting quest]

less than 4s in practice

[summer flicker]

me forgor

[warped sorrel]

kinda useless
it is more like a gimmick

[summer flicker]

so ye

[honest hill]

I managed to get two thermite wedge sig in 60

[summer flicker]

just consume it

[drifting quest]

since you should* be cancelling it early

[summer flicker]

kekw

i dont know why ppl want the 4s so bad

[compact bridge]

Not even 4s tbh

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1 cyro stack is 1 cyro stack

[next helm]

What about cancelling after yvonne ult

Inside gilb ult

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maygi did that

and dps increase iirc

[compact bridge]

I just dive it immediately before i forget and it expired lol

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you lose a bit of yvonne dmg but tagntang dmg is good

but that's -2 stack of infliction

kekw

1 rot: ye go for it

1 rot: just cancel it early

[tranquil cedar]

So are the number out now?

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wip

[tranquil cedar]

The team damage sheet number

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wait like a week kekw