#theorycrafting

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midnight stirrup
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So u can imagine how that went

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As soon as I hit the college

daring dove
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I want to try Final Fantasy XIV again, but last expansion was a train-wreck I hear. So scratching my Final Fantasy urge with this for now. 108_yaehmm

pure spoke
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Ye ppl dont wanna spend 15 dollsr for a sub. But wanna gamble with 100 instead xd

proud vector
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So it’s like an ancient race who don’t make offspring anymore slowly growing more and more ancient

midnight stirrup
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I might start ff9 soon

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Still gotta finish 10

proud vector
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But I would wait for next expansion haha

midnight stirrup
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Anyway

midnight stirrup
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Theorycrafting amirite

gritty briar
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going to all the mages guilds that specialize in every school of magic to access university felt epic though, like you're the avatar or something

pure spoke
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I used to love ff14 but its falling off rn

lilac bloom
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wizard 101

edgy crater
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or take a bite n buy civ 7 uncanny

proud vector
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PerliWaaaaa I hate playing 4x games by myself

pure spoke
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Lol

proud vector
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So much more fun with friends

lilac bloom
proud vector
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PerliWaaaaa but getting friends to sit through an entire 4x is cancerous hard

pure spoke
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Imagine having friends to play with

edgy crater
lilac bloom
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i do and i still play this chuddy factory gacha bc we all have

lilac bloom
daring dove
edgy crater
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or might as well starting gtnh PerliDerp

gritty briar
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i stopped at the end of shadowbringers
I remember it being really good

edgy crater
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pray my laptop can handle it

pure spoke
proud vector
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PerliStare the story has gotten much better post patch for current expansion

pure spoke
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ChenCry peak

proud vector
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Next expac has hope, hopium

gritty briar
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boss music for shadowbringers was also pretty hype in general

edgy crater
pure spoke
edgy crater
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but still dumb u as caesar leading arab KekW

proud vector
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PerliWheeze basically we are freed from Wuk Lamat

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And some actual villains are slowly being established again

lilac bloom
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wuk lamat?

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oh ff14?

proud vector
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dw about it, ff14 stuff

lilac bloom
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alr

proud vector
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Speaking of which, I think I’m risking my life saying this stuff huh?

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If I explode to a ban remember meeeeeeeeeee

pure spoke
bronze plume
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you should be fine

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nothing is happening regarding tcing until 1.1 anyway

proud vector
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Yeah pretty much

edgy crater
proud vector
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No preload either huh?

bronze plume
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nope

pure spoke
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Weird

bronze plume
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its going to be hell for the servers probably

proud vector
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Damn just have to wait until patch

bronze plume
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they also recommend to fully reinstall both the launcher and the game

pure spoke
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It's gonna 5 am for me when the maintenance is done

bronze plume
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hahaha

edgy crater
proud vector
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Ah I should secure my account then

bronze plume
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mainly pc for that

proud vector
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Just in case

edgy crater
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shit

proud vector
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I don’t have that much space left on my phone

pure spoke
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I tried to change my e-mail today for 1h and it didn't work

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Even changed dns etc

edgy crater
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37gb patch PerliDerp

paper sand
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if i HAD to pick between gilberta and tangtang for yvonne who's looking to be the better option

warped sorrel
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1.1 is 67gb?

summer flicker
warped sorrel
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for 1 map?

paper sand
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jic i dont miraculously get gilberta as offbanner

proud vector
summer flicker
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tangtang buff more of yvonne rotation, perlica with stanza can be more flexible, and better than gilb with stanza

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but everything i said still need to wait number on buff

summer flicker
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and tangtang personal dmg

paper sand
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4th slot gonna be xaihi right? is alesh worse than perlica with stanza?

summer flicker
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because dev said she has some dmg dealer

proud vector
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He however can hold thermite so

drifting quest
warped sorrel
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then just go for tangtangPerliWheeze

summer flicker
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and alesh dont work without gilb

paper sand
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i thought alesh's sp regen would be nice

warped sorrel
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eaziest dicision ever

honest hill
summer flicker
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yvonne gilb xaihi alesh/perlica
yvonne tangtang xaihi perlica
yvonne gilb xaihi tangtang

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here the 3 team that is competing with each other

warped sorrel
summer flicker
paper sand
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thank god i didnt invest into alesh early then

summer flicker
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alesh need gilb

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cuz you need to consume a art reaction

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if no gilb, no alesh combo, he just a pure ult bot

warped sorrel
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Yv alesh estella perlica PerliWheeze

summer flicker
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that's so cope

vestal sinew
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is it worth to mastery any of lifeng skills?

summer flicker
honest hill
summer flicker
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here is your 1 lvl 4 shatter and lvl 1 shatter for your yvonne combo

pure spoke
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Yvonnes can proc shatter with her buttcheeks clapping

warped sorrel
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mi fu can use her iron fist on me

drifting quest
proud vector
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Oh god imagine if an operator’s dive attack auto shatters enemies

warped sorrel
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arking my nights with her weapon

proud vector
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PerliWheeze like a shatter version of Da Pan

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Ground pound

pure spoke
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Im glad they made something with dive attack.

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At least a lil bit

lilac bloom
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i hope fengyi is nature or electric

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probably electric

honest hill
warped sorrel
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cant wait for fangyi dive attack to be just Flying around thundering people

proud vector
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PerliWheeze Phys Elec

vestal sinew
proud vector
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To work with endmin

pure spoke
honest hill
drifting quest
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you want to mastery it for the susc gains yes

pure spoke
honest hill
drifting quest
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basic attacks, ult (and combo but less so combo) are for damage gains

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basic is skippable if you dont quickswap

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and if you arent on mb or valiant all damage is skippable

summer flicker
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do anyone have the basic chain time

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for all char PerliDerp

honest hill
summer flicker
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😭

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nah im lazy

honest hill
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okay you pay someone to test it

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Lazy whale

summer flicker
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i remember someone link the chart

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or some youtuve

honest hill
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Do you have good memory

summer flicker
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no i dont

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that why i ask

honest hill
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you should buy new ram

summer flicker
honest hill
summer flicker
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ok found it

gritty briar
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oh i remember that vid

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it's from star to final strike hit, with no hitlag
imo it's not that good of a way to gauge basic speeds

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ignoring hitlag is one thing but leaving out the entire endlag of the final strike changes a lot. Estella's is horribly long so you basically need to dodge cancel after final strike

lime nacelle
gritty briar
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how long their basic chain is

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from start to the moment it hits

lime nacelle
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It looks so wrong.

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It feels like forever when you're in-game. LOL

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But it probably really is like 3 seconds.

gritty briar
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like the arts unit users have 0 hitlag while the greatsword users have a shit ton

odd wren
gritty briar
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when you hit an enemy, there's a brief moment where your animation stops

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slower weapons have more per hit but also generally less hits

honest hill
gritty briar
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but it's significant overall for all melees and it changes results a lot

odd wren
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Oh damn lifeng that fast?

gaunt mason
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skill and combo animations are too long

potent hornet
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we get any numbers yet?

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just got back from work

terse valley
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no 💔

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terse valley
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it's not even today

gritty briar
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And that 4.28s goes down to 3.72s if you dodge cancel final strike endlag
and yes i'm including the time the dodge takes

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all this shit has such a huge effect. you can't really ignore it

potent hornet
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guess i'm gonna have to pull TangTang on the cancan

normal tangle
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bars

frozen tide
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Im gonna wait a few days to see release eval

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Before dumping pulls

proud vector
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Smort

frozen tide
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They should do a pull discount event first day of banner release to min max fomo

proud vector
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PerliStareYou wouldn’t it be funny that she is a competent main DPS

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I feel as if all this feelscrafting is very “put Tangtang and Rossi into a support role” simply because we don’t have her numbers

near robin
proud vector
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And it’s legitimately shifted public perception of it

frozen tide
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They did not advertise tang tang to be a carry tbh

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They advertised her as sub dps

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I'd say its fair to take their word at face value and not expect her to be a main carry dps

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And as for rossi afaik people have been considering her as dps since her kits been released

proud vector
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Rossi’s case feels diff a bit

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Since they tried to fit her into teams and came up with nothin

normal tangle
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rossi is a little annoying lowk

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her dps is entirely ult-centric, dps will feel bad

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another "do nothing for 3 years until your ult charges" unit

frozen tide
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🤔

normal tangle
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at least that's how they described her

frozen tide
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Number ceilings are very hard to gauge

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Without any numbers

normal tangle
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i'm just taking their word for it, we don't have numbers yea

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they described her as a back-loaded unit or whatever

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forgot the exact terms but that was the vibe

frozen tide
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Rossi very well could just sky rocket the games potential dps ceiling

normal tangle
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i can try looking for it again maybe

frozen tide
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But could very well also not

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Supports are easier to feelscraft general performance with limited info

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With just the outlines of the kit without numbers

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Dps is hard because well dps is dps

normal tangle
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both of their showcase fights were like weak minibosses

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compared to tangtang who had real teammates using real bosses

frozen tide
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My take is that it's very uncertain

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Especially a char like rossi

normal tangle
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what's uncertain about it

frozen tide
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Dps ceiling

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Especially because she's crit based

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With the baseline assumption

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That chars operate within a certain output that is relative total added flat

noble tapir
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One more day chat…

frozen tide
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Crit chars are harder to gauge since they have access to multiplier most chars dont

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So if hg doesn't properly downscale numbers can get out of hand

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Especially especially if they have unique crit interactions

proud vector
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TangtangSigh there are a couple of parts which are pretty good potentially

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One - combo skill possible interactions with stealing the infliction would make her quite efficient at vuln stack in teams that want a reaction

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Two - She does bring free heat infliction on ult
Three - She brings phys and heat damage taken at 1sp cost with a duration that is decent

noble tapir
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Well putting crit onto a crit scalers weapon (cause they likely need it) means way less attack. That’s what keeps Yvonne from being too crazy. My laev has less artificing and both have max essence and my Yvonne is like 1200 less attack

normal tangle
# frozen tide Dps ceiling

again, both showcases were with moderately stronger elites. she's not punching above her weight class here lol

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the two big units they showcased was a bruiser and an arsonist

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i'm not doubting her viability as a support, but i very much doubt her solo dps capabilities are rivaling a real maindps

frozen tide
normal tangle
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she's at most chen-level

frozen tide
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The total multiplied value can be higher than expected

proud vector
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Her main DPS capabilities depend imo pretty much on her talent 2

frozen tide
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Which can't rly be fully displayed on a sub optimal display

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My claim is not that rossi will have bonkers dmg

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To be clear

proud vector
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She may actually bring a significant amount of punch in her basic attacks alone

frozen tide
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But my argument is that i don't think its very clear

proud vector
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Due to having on hit procs on crit

frozen tide
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What her dps ceiling is

normal tangle
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i mean, yeah you could say that about anyone that we don't have the numbers for

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having crit doesn't make rossi unique in that regard

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crit is a different multi, yes, but do you really think hg doesn't account for that

gritty olive
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suddenly yvonne is going to be better

frozen tide
proud vector
normal tangle
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sounds like some pretty crazy copium to me but shrug i guess

proud vector
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PerliDerp ya know?

normal tangle
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i don't understand the thermite glaze bruh

gritty olive
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Clueless from unit buffs

normal tangle
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that shit is 8% attack

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it is not gonna carry anything any time soon

proud vector
frozen tide
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It seems like more copium to delude yourself into thinking you know a chars ceiling with none of their numbers

proud vector
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So 16% pretty solid

frozen tide
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But to each their own

proud vector
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The important thing is vanguards are generally GOOD and also sword

noble tapir
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Sorry it was 1k attack difference, not 1.2k, but I can probably push my laev to 5800 atk reasonably

proud vector
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And thermite just goes onto your vanguard for like a free 16% ATK buff

normal tangle
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we're fighting ghosts now

frozen tide
frozen tide
proud vector
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Ok but for real thermite stacking twice and working near universally on vanguard (which is a class that somehow is like, ALL SWORD USERS??) makes it good

icy remnant
noble tapir
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The big thing with thermite is that your Alesh’s damage is fucking irrelevant compared to your Yvonne’s, so just buff Yvonne (same for ake and laev)

summer flicker
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PerliFumo thermite bis for like most vanguard

icy remnant
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Signature weapons will need to be so strong to beat p5 standard weapons

proud vector
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Is there actually a non sword using vanguard

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Is it actually all sword users

icy remnant
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It’s all sword

noble tapir
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Tangtang is a caster right?

proud vector
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What da heeeeelll

summer flicker
icy remnant
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lol

proud vector
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So yeah basically thermite just works on all members of the SP is good club

summer flicker
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if not we can see tangtang be a thermite user and her sig being meh kekw

proud vector
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PerliDerp hence goodge weapon

noble tapir
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Rip never rest man

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That sword is dripped out too

icy remnant
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They very obviously did it like that on purpose

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He even has will main stat

noble tapir
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I’ll still use his sig over thermite, but it’s a little sad

icy remnant
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They wanted to make Thermite cutter our goated vanguard sword we can rely on

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But yea the will main stat means in the future if they release a Vanguard with non negligible damage their sig can still be better than p5 thermite cutter I guess

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But yea one thing we will likely plan around in a year or so is that standard weapons spooks are so common that most people will have dupes

open hare
compact bridge
frozen tide
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They need bait to keep people logging in

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Playtime retention

compact bridge
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If they want me to wait a week, at least made it common limited headhunting

near robin
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It's just bad from a business standpoint

compact bridge
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Its basically wait a week or spend more pulls to play with tang tang now

elfin smelt
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of all the things a gacha game is the one teaching me how to be patient smh

potent hornet
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was anything advertised on the roadmap for a discount event for pulls?

normal tangle
frozen tide
proud vector
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Only sanity discount events

open hare
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Hey guys, thanks for putting up with me in TC

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Thanks for the laughs and stuff.

elfin smelt
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stay with us

dawn patrol
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what

rare zodiac
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if you gonna jump do a flip

outer ermine
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do 2

frozen tide
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Wtf

boreal crane
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i thank you for posting this here

frozen tide
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You are welcome

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How did you end up just finding it

proud vector
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PerliStareYou where were you when miku was kill?

frozen tide
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Posted ts like a month ago

boreal crane
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discord search bar

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wanted to know why it got 2k views

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tried here

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it worked

frozen tide
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Ohhh you are the maker of the vid

boreal crane
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ya

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trying to carry some kind of torch

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avywenna gaming

frozen tide
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Good stuff

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Ship me over some pm ost recommendations in dms if you don't mind

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Only fm game ive fully played is lob but pm ost is always good

boreal crane
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fm?

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you mean pm?

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project moon

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and yeah can do ig if that is what you meant

frozen tide
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Yeag

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Idk how fm happened

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F is nowhere near p

odd wren
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Hmm

summer flicker
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hmm

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icy remnant
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1 more day

normal tangle
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2

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fuck it, 3

potent hornet
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at least i have 0ne piece live action to hold me off until tomorrow

outer ermine
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PerliStareYou 6pm to 12am dem nice lucky hrs

glass birch
outer ermine
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ICANT im at work at 12am, im not bout to do shit but play

glass birch
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Ngl. If I was working at 12am I'd do that too

warm galleon
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You don't play endfield on clock?

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You should

glass birch
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My hands are usually too busy to be playing on my phone PPalSad

glass wind
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Which one let you gain Ultimate faster? Skill or Combo skill?PerliFumo

glass birch
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But battle skill from other characters helps too

summer flicker
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i thought you na PerliDerp

outer ermine
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i am PerliWheeze thats why i got fucked up sleepschedule

glass wind
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Why is there no gear for Ultimate dmg RossiCopium

potent hornet
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you may get your wish

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new gear inc

proud vector
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….

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Huh, a gap in my knowledge

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How does uh skills with weird energy generation work when it comes to SP return?

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I’ve been mostly using 16 energy returned for LR BS (calcs from a goubou video I think?) but

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How does that interact with SP being returned? That SP shouldn’t be allowed to create ultimate energy at all

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Is the original number like 20 or something, reduced down to ~16?

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Or is the fact that it’s returned energy just ignored somehow? Override due to the energy of the battle skill being nonstandard to begin with?

merry dune
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Theoretically how much xiranite do I need for wuling update PerliFumo

normal tangle
valid zealot
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0.065 energy per actual sp used.

rare zodiac
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LR skill active give 6.5 to other, so if sp refund before, it just give less of that, the 16 for LR stay the same

proud vector
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Thank you

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So LR can smuggle returned energy for herself… makes sense

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PerliStare maybe that’s why she can’t get energy from others

halcyon granite
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yo what does an arclight main dps team look like?

normal tangle
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you run perlica and pretend arclight is contributing the dmg

halcyon granite
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i mean yeah perlica is needed what would the last 2 slots be? she does phys damage too so wondering how i could fit that in

proud vector
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Hmm

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The damage dealt by Arclight isn’t super significant, but if you are trying to maximise her usage maybe a character with an non-electro affliction for free so you can get a third electrification from Perlica BS…

halcyon granite
proud vector
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No, the SP gets a bit tight that way

halcyon granite
proud vector
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Hmm

halcyon granite
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i found this

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which one team uses endmin lifeng

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but i think ardelia is pretty good also idk gilberta seems op too

proud vector
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PerliStare ooo, Lifeng

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In an ult battery team…. Reasonable?

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Hmm

vapid flame
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probably want lifeng or pog for breach? and i guess they use endmin to clear vuln stacks so lifeng can apply breach again

proud vector
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Seems close to oops all vanguards

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Which as the namesake states, is a lot of vanguards

plucky warren
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lifeng doesn't apply breach he applies phys susceptibility

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both stack

normal tangle
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do you have premium lifeng

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lifeng alt

vapid flame
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oh sorry he applies phys susc

proud vector
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Maybe Lifeng Pog + Arclight Perlica… hmm

halcyon granite
proud vector
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But is Arclight doing enough physical damage to make it worth? Hmm…

normal tangle
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i think arclight is doing no physical damage at all, actually

vapid flame
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it's probably more fun to proc cs more often

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lr for cryo? lol

proud vector
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Fck it, Alesh just for the ult lmao

grand lagoon
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the thing is, arclight barely do much dmg even after 6x conbo

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saddd

halcyon granite
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i mean im not really lookin for like a meta team

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i already got multiple of them im just building 4fun now at this point lol

grand lagoon
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i used to use arclight in avywenna, but all damage from arclight in any situation, is just sad

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feels like she needs some buff from HG PerliDerp

halcyon granite
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i mean yeah akekuri does moe on that team

main nova
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relax, people pull Rossie not for minmaxing anyway PerliWheeze

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increasing more cute stuff in my account

vapid flame
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i tried arclight, perlica, LR, ard...it's kinda fun lol

potent hornet
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its a good team

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.bestgirl

potent hornet
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tomorrow

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gnight all

peak void
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.tomorrow

chrome kelp
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Hi, I just want to ask which is better, Corrosion or Electrification. Like, what are the actual numbers involved or how do they actually work? It seems that they have very similar descriptions but just written differently with Corrosion becoming more effective over time(?)

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also. how reliable is the wiki's database? It says there that Fluorite's combo skill gives 10sp but it's not listed in-game nor do I actually get 10sp when I use it

proud vector
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10 sp or 10 ultimate energy?

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10 is the usual amount for ultimate energy

chrome kelp
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Here's an actual screenshot

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says SP regen

proud vector
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Da heck they doin

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That’s just wrong, it does nothing of the sort

chrome kelp
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unless that means it increases the SP regen by 10%?

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but like, that's not even in-game either

chrome kelp
proud vector
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That specific wiki isn’t very good honestly

chrome kelp
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true

elfin smelt
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there's nothing says her combo skill has SP regen ingame iirc

proud vector
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Anyways corrosion vs electrification is annoying because resistance isn’t uniform across the enemies

chrome kelp
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on the other hand, wiki.gg confuses me as well if I want to read about a specific operator because clicking the "Operator" tab just talks about Operators in general and the lvling costs but doesn't list any of the characters, you'd need to go to the "Characters" tag which is at the very bottom of the page

proud vector
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Elec is 24% at lv4 for 30 seconds

Corrosion is 24% res reduction at lv 4 for 15 seconds but has ramp time involved

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Rule of thumb is corrosion has ramp time but more often than not is a bigger amp

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And the effect of a higher level corrosion is not lost when you reapply a lower level one to refresh duration

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Elec is a decently sized amp for a good duration and no ramp time

chrome kelp
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how do you get the lvls?

proud vector
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Number of inflictions consumed

chrome kelp
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ah

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aight

proud vector
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For ones that don’t have to consume and are forcibly applied, level 1

chrome kelp
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thanks

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also, do you guys know how overall damage is calculated?

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bc im just currently doing mental math of what is being applied at a time without the actual numbers

chilly bolt
chrome kelp
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long answer

rare zodiac
chrome kelp
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THANKS

chilly bolt
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Ye that's the long answer

chrome kelp
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I was asking for this in reddit and they just told me to datamine...

chilly bolt
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Reddit...

rare zodiac
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reddit is a joke 99.9% of the time

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you do find gold sometime tho, sometime

chrome kelp
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tbf, back when I was asking the question, this server was still at 5 channels

chilly bolt
chrome kelp
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every week someone's posting THE BEST way to pull bc they simulated 1B pulls

proud vector
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Mind you that damage formula being for both damage dealt and taken is funny

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Do enemies even have defence? I’m actually not sure

near robin
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So it's just some hp and element resist? PerliStareYou

proud vector
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Oh they do

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But it looks like a flat 100 across the board from dogs to bosses

chrome kelp
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sounds like normal AK then ChenSleepy

echo cove
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how does link work?

chilly bolt
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Buff the next ult or bs that you use

echo cove
rare zodiac
#

30% mul for BS 20% mul for Ult

echo cove
#

huh... that's quite good

peak void
#

its pretty bad if we're talking good

chilly bolt
#

Base is 30% for bs and 20% for ult, each link stack increase it by 15% and 10% consecutively

rare zodiac
#

link is crack af because it's a different multiplier

#

wdym bad

echo cove
#

what does ake p5 do? does it just extend so any skill/ult happenin in that 5s after link is up all get dmg bonus?

peak void
#

like if we're talking abt good then link is bad

terse valley
#

can you even buff link dmg from other sources of dmg%

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or from enemy dmg taken/susc

glass birch
rare zodiac
#

link is a final mul

glass birch
terse valley
#

it's final?

glass birch
summer flicker
#

PerliDerp its just a different multiplier, but ye, in a sense final, since only buff 1 movePerliDerp

peak void
#

yea thats why its bad

rare zodiac
#

no, i mean it's a final multiplier, as in you account all dmg buff/debuff, and then link just and 20%/30% up on that

terse valley
#

like say if an ult has a total of 1000% multiplier and it consumes link
the link will have 200% multiplier right?
if you buff the ult itself from other sources does it affect link dmg?

chilly bolt
glass birch
#

Link is it's own multiplier

peak void
#

if only it did more than that then maybe id consider using link

echo cove
summer flicker
#

its is a different bracket of multiplication, like: amp, res, etc

glass birch
#

Its still only 1 skill

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since link is consumed on BS/Ult use

rare zodiac
glass birch
#

Link also does stack... I wonder- Does each flare give link or just the first? 3sChiakiHmm

#

Like- Link for BS is 30/45/60/75%

peak void
#

Akekuri's ult gives link

glass birch
#

would 1 full Ake ult be a 60% boost

chilly bolt
rare zodiac
#

nah only 1 stack

glass birch
#

Thats... Gross

chilly bolt
#

Only lifeng and her have link?

glass birch
#

So just the first gives the buff PerliDerp

peak void
#

Lifeng also has link

terse valley
#

what's lifeng combo cd?

echo cove
#

hm... that's kinda bad eh...

glass birch
#

16s I think

terse valley
#

and how long can you retain link?

echo cove
#

lifeng link on cs?

glass birch
#

20s

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Maybe it keeps the full duration?

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But you'd need a combo skill that applies phys suscept so you dont eat link

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or breach

proud vector
#

PerliDerp I will not take this Akekuri slander lying down. Link is good because the devs recognise its limits. Akekuri gets to buff ATK, regen SP and link at same time

It’s still a massive buff to characters that favour single big hits

terse valley
#

yeah stacking up link doesnt seem to be worth it with our current roster

rare zodiac
#

link is a bit rare now so stacking isn't that viable

glass birch
summer flicker
#

PerliDerp no numbers

#

😭

glass birch
rare zodiac
#

beside, it buff only 1 BS/ult so we don't have anyone outside bnnuy that utilize link buff that good, Rossi could be one

summer flicker
chilly bolt
glass birch
summer flicker
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tmr, like 21h left

rare zodiac
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if most of her dmg truly come from ult

chilly bolt
summer flicker
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summer flicker
#

15h for the maintanance to start

glass birch
#

so like endmin's crush
Last Rite's Ult
Lae's ult enhanced BS
Rossi's Ult
will all benefit from link fully for that skill

chilly bolt
#

Oh shit

summer flicker
#

21h for it to end and you play the game i think

glass birch
chilly bolt
#

That's a long ass maintenance

rare zodiac
#

you will just buff that 350% HIT

near robin
#

Hopefully maint finishes early PerliDerp

chilly bolt
terse valley
#

endmin skill doesnt have that big of a multiplier, if u have ult u wanna use that to consume link instead

outer ermine
glass birch
terse valley
#

and ofc make sure endmin ult consunes the crystal as well

glass birch
#

especially for an expansion

chilly bolt
#

Oh sorry we have 8-10 hours maintenance in azur lane PerliWaaaaa

glass birch
#

kekzu FF14 had a near 12-24h maintenance once on expansion day.

outer ermine
#

PerliDerp this ones better since its at midnight atleast

glass birch
#

All the game's damage dealers revolve around burst damage from a single skill, where link shines is that it buffs that entire skill wether it be multi-hit or single hit

chilly bolt
#

Im just gonna rush the new content again

glass birch
#

Like Lae's ult enhanced BS is 3 hits, link buffs all 3 hits

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Rossi's ult is 3 parts, all parts would get that 20% buff

#

the dagger barrage, the knife dash, and the final explosion

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LR's ult is also 3 slashes with her scythe. Each slash would benefit from the 20% buff link provides

#

Honestly; now that I think about it I want to run
Rossi-Wulf-Gilberta-Ake kekzu Just toss Lae to the side

rare zodiac
#

well but team wise only Lae, bnnuy and phys team have access to link, and phys dmg is very spread out, Lae dmg main source is BA, so right now the best user of link is just Bnnuy for how all her dmg focus on 1 single instant of BS

glass birch
#

You still want to fit 2 Ult enhanced BS into a single ult for Lae

grand lagoon
#

same, her EBS with gear is the highest

glass birch
#

otherwise you lose a lot of damage with Lae

gritty olive
#

unless p5 TeriSmirk

glass birch
rare zodiac
#

in 1 rot Lae HW use like 3-4 EBS, with 1-2 EBS within ult, Link only buff 1 of em

glass birch
terse valley
#

how would you even fit link into rossi team
lifeng? that would just made it into a physical team instead of buffing rossi ult
i guess just akekuri? what would the team be, gilberta akekuri ardelia? focus on ult dmg and disregarding consuming vuln altogether?
that's alot of questionmark PerliDerp

rare zodiac
#

i mean 1 rot as in ramp up energy phase + ult phase

terse valley
glass birch
terse valley
#

for what, free combustion?

glass birch
#

3 stack heat is great for the damage of her combo skill + free combustion for talent 2

terse valley
#

wait wait how does rossi benefit from higher level combustion

hollow wyvern
terse valley
#

waittt stacking up heat??

glass birch
hollow wyvern
#

ok so I rewatched the vid

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in the LR team

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tt didn't dive

hollow wyvern
#

the pool stayed after ult ended naturally

#

although it did turn from blue to white

glass birch
#

Higher inflictions consumed by Rossi's combo skill = higher damage

hollow wyvern
#

ig blue means it's diveable

rare zodiac
#

we do know that she consume infliction, i haven't seen anywhere that said dmg of CS scale with infliction consumed

terse valley
hollow wyvern
#

that should mean that after the first rota, all subsequent skill uses should be triple spout

#

in a no dive rota

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so it doesn't lose out vs dive rota really (buff-wise)

#

ig duration of the pool still matters

terse valley
#

so yeah physical damage

hollow wyvern
#

wait no, after ult expires, only 1 pool remained

terse valley
#

we were cooking big ult nuke with akekuri link

glass birch
hollow wyvern
#

yes it does

#

with talent

glass birch
hollow wyvern
#

hard to tell how many, visually on the ground I only see 1

terse valley
#

the spinny whirpool ≠ the small puddle on the ground thingy

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what's it called

hollow wyvern
#

but tt did a combo after, then a triple spout pool

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so ult surely resulted in at least 2 pools after no dive

#

hmm

#

I think they use weird icons to denote # of pools

glass birch
#

sorry for poor quality kekzu

hollow wyvern
#

yes, and the way it creates waterspout is by creating pools

#

you can see 3 pools in the 1v1 showcase

terse valley
#

tt combo and ult spawns waterspouts, tt bs consumes the spouts to create whirpools?

glass birch
#

Riot Bringer is just a free BS cast

#

Its literally just a 0 SP "IMA WAVERIDAAH!"

#

the waterspouts are spawned in already btw

#

during showcase

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they're not from the skill itself

hollow wyvern
#

what are those on the ground

glass birch
#

And it caps at 2 whirlpools, not 3

glass birch
#

They were there before the ult is cast

terse valley
#

from two combos probably?

#

they last that long?

glass birch
#

The ult and Riot Bringer talent dont spawn whirlpools kekzu

hollow wyvern
#

right before ult cast there was nothing

glass birch
echo cove
#

i have a feeling her p3 or p4 is gonna be like

#

combo spawn 2 whirl

compact bridge
echo cove
#

i mean, that could too

echo cove
hollow wyvern
#

PerliDerp hmm

hollow wyvern
green cipher
hollow wyvern
#

we never saw 3 stack

glass birch
# echo cove huh? we have confirmation on this?

The icon indicates 1 or 2 whirlpools active.
BS spawns a waterspout naturally
w/ 1 whirlpool consumed it spawns 2 waterspouts
w/ 2 whirlpools consumed it spawns 3 waterspouts and thats it

echo cove
terse valley
#

wait am i mixing things up between the spouts and the whirpools

echo cove
glass birch
terse valley
#

is the whirpool thing not the big spinny water spinning around the enemy

glass birch
#

2 whirlpools, indicator on her icon

hollow wyvern
#

1 is white with a 1 icon, 2 is blue with weird 3 part symbol

echo cove
summer flicker
#

1 combo \|

#

2 combo: \|/

glass birch
echo cove
#

is that not 3? am a lil confused at the icon?

glass birch
echo cove
#

bot left rite?

summer flicker
#

1 combo 2, 2 combo make it 3

hollow wyvern
#

one whirlpool expired (the one already on field before LR clip)

#

so we never saw what happens if we get 3

echo cove
#

is that not |o|, 3?

#

hmm ok interesting

hollow wyvern
#

idk what they weird symbol choice is

echo cove
rare zodiac
hollow wyvern
#

cd could prevent that yeah

rare zodiac
#

only CS generate pools

hollow wyvern
#

we dunno duration

echo cove
#

it was abt 12s

hollow wyvern
#

the only expiration we saw was for a pool that was already there

#

well this makes ult dive worth a lot less

echo cove
#

defo doable unless it expires every 30s

hollow wyvern
#

I thought it would just max out the suscept, now I feel a lot better not diving

echo cove
summer flicker
#

ok, the skill is 1 water sprout default, and then convert additional, and max seems to be 3

rare zodiac
#

30s sound reasonable

hollow wyvern
#

I'll take the cc

echo cove
glass birch
#

1 expired in pic 1. Icon shows 1 active whirlpool
2nd pic shows right when she does her combo skill to spawn 2nd whirlpool. Icon is 2 whirlpools

hollow wyvern
#

timing too tight for yvonne comp, not gonna bother

#

prob results in final strike losing ult buffs

#

not gonna bother

#

plus it messes with gilb

hollow wyvern
#

diving turns the net +1 nature post ult into a +0

#

actually costing me 100 sp

echo cove
#

sure

glass birch
#

Shit was hard to get the pause for the screenshot because they only let that 2 whirlpools sit there for 0.1s before consuming with BS kekzu

echo cove
#

so 1 pool every |

#

in the icon

#

noted

glass birch
#

Correct. The dot just shows max spawn

hollow wyvern
#

icon makes no sense

echo cove
#

what abt the dif of white vs blue color?

hollow wyvern
#

1 seems like a 1 but with a little branch to the top right

echo cove
#

anything special abt that for now?

hollow wyvern
#

for ppl that don't wanna squint at the icon

glass birch
hollow wyvern
#

white and blue also just mean numbers pretty sure

#

color is just slower to update

echo cove
hollow wyvern
#

icon changes first, color right after

echo cove
#

who knows

hollow wyvern
#

you can see the change in the very first combo

summer flicker
rare zodiac
#

seem like white for 1 and blue for 2, maybe to indicate max pools reached?

summer flicker
#

1 combo give you \I

#

y the symbol make no sense

echo cove
#

weird icon

#

welp

hollow wyvern
#

yeah just use color

echo cove
#

can they release her full chara kit alr?

#

it's literally 24 hr b4 update alr

glass birch
echo cove
#

yuck

hollow wyvern
#

btw what is this icon

echo cove
rare zodiac
#

i want to cook but no material ChenCry

hollow wyvern
#

it showed up at start of yvonne clip

#

and after killing the boss for LR team

#

appears on all units

#

is it out of combat

hollow wyvern
#

she gets blue after first combo of LR already

#

when there was already 1 pool

echo cove
#

ss

glass birch
drifting quest
#

It should indicate the number of whirlpools

#

I think it changes in video

hollow wyvern
#

midchange

#

to blue

#

after first combo of fight

#

it's just slower to update than the symbol

glass birch
hollow wyvern
#

ult was ready before the combo even hit

#

was still white (pool in the distance already there pre-vid)

glass birch
#

Again, and it's not blue. It turns blue when she gets the 2nd whirlpool spawned

hollow wyvern
#

yes

#

blue = 2

#

that's all

glass birch
#

... no. Blue = 2 whirlpool and ult ready

hollow wyvern
#

later in the vid I think TT casted skill before the color had time to change

summer flicker
#

you dont need ult to be ready

#

you can consume with skil

hollow wyvern
#

I don't think we got any time where it would be white + 2 symbol, aside from that quick cast skill which didn't even seem to let the icon get time to change color

glass birch
hollow wyvern
#

also there's no cases of blue + 1 symbol either

#

so we dunno for sure either way

#

the color change delay makes it hard to tell in the only case we got

glass birch
#

At least we know it's 2 whirlpools max now

hollow wyvern
#

wait no, at the very start of LR

#

it would have been blue + 1 icon

#

but it's white

#

ult was ready

#

yeah I think blue just means 2

#

thank fuck bc I wasn't squinting to see the symbol

gritty olive
#

Raizer does tt help yvonne

rare zodiac
#

weird design but ok ig

hollow wyvern
#

symbol for color blind or something idk

gritty olive
#

If so ill delay making yvonnes calcs since im doing other games xdd

hollow wyvern
#

idk why they don't use arabic numerals like normal ppl

glass birch
#

arabic numerals?

gritty olive
hollow wyvern
#

like on the icon

#

why with the weird Y icon and shit

#

gimme a 1 and a 2 pls

gritty olive
#

Placeholders

rare zodiac
gritty olive
drifting quest
hollow wyvern
#

more like being creative for the sake of being creative

gritty olive
#

Im playing genshin so yeah

glass birch
drifting quest
#

TT timelines are kinda gross but if her numbers are good enough then it's good enough

gritty olive
#

You think that comment goes deep doro

#

Try again since im an ar60f2ptigerninja

summer flicker
gritty olive
#

🙏

drifting quest
gritty olive
#

Since most people cant do comments based on what they see from guoba guides

#

And theyre gonna stem most of their from gameplays amd onhand festing

hollow wyvern
#

sadthink wait so uh

#

in gilb and tt rotation

#

who tf triggers first tt combo

#

do you double gilb or double xaihi total for that?

#

subsequent ones prob ok with nature burst

#

I think rotations kinda extended regardless?

#

if you dive with tt, you're looking at 1 gilb 2 xaihi (or 2 gilb 1 xaihi) + 1 tt every rotation?

#

if you want triple spout at least

#

stare maybe the right play really is to just drop gilb

summer flicker
#

xaihi trigger it first

hollow wyvern
#

oh yeah ig tt dive rota just never gilb skills

#

that works too

summer flicker
#

you only gib skill at the start, depend on rotation

drifting quest
#

Most tt rots ive seen extend to 700sp

#

And some drop gilb entirely

summer flicker
#

PerliStareYou how you calc that, like they use 700 sp ?

drifting quest
#

700sp per yvonne ult

summer flicker
#

PerliFumo mine is only 600(less)

#

since tangtang return some

#

somehow my gilbless rot is

#

longer than gilb tangtang rot

hollow wyvern
#

I think 500 is possible with p1 yvonne + no dive? Thinkzed

#

that's what alesh comp rn has right

summer flicker
#

yes

hollow wyvern
#

it's basically that comp

summer flicker
#

possible with p1 + no dive

drifting quest
#

Sp return not fucking up ult alignments?

hollow wyvern
#

it shouldn't, if alesh comp rn has enough excess

summer flicker
#

142.5% ult eff xaihi
192% ult eff gilb
198% ult eff tangtang

#

should be up

#

i forgot to count 7% from xaihi passive

#

this is assume 70 sp for tt skill

#

higher wont be that much of an issue

drifting quest
summer flicker
drifting quest
#

Also reqs a huge amount of uge on tt as you see

hollow wyvern
#

do we know tt ult cost

summer flicker
#

with 100 cost assumption, but that's doable (rip all her dmg)

drifting quest
#

Guts her own damage a chunk and makes an argument for not running her if her own numbers are poor with uge

hollow wyvern
#

well the entire point of tt is to yvonne ult whenever, might as well try to shorten the rotation as much as possible Thinkzed

summer flicker
#

i mean, you can do like 4 combo skill rotation, but its gonna be like

#

very long

drifting quest
#

If you want to shorten the rot you run alesh

#

Tt extends it

summer flicker
hollow wyvern
#

p1 no dive is same length

#

no tt ult shorten doesn't really matter if you ain't got window for ult

drifting quest
#

(No dive)

summer flicker
#

this should have less ult energy issue for tt

drifting quest
#

(P1)

summer flicker
#

but the rot is a bit longer, but tt can deal more dmg

drifting quest
#

Its all fine if her numbers are good enough

#

But every tangtang rot looks so cope

summer flicker
#

dont worry, tangtang gilb doenst look that bad of a rot

#

(just ignore the ult cc)

shrewd saffron
# summer flicker

what's the tool used for crafting up the theoretical rotations/ dps here? sorry not been around much but a bit intrested now with more operators coming into the game

summer flicker
oblique hemlock
#

Can someone explain what ‘in’ ‘and’ ‘c’ means on that timescale?

summer flicker
#

in is ult, c is battle skill

#

happen sometime with translation software

oblique hemlock
#

And is combo?

grand lagoon
#

any 1.1 log or update list i can read?

frozen tide
#

update hasnt dropped for any region yet i think

summer flicker
#

yes

wispy shuttle
#

No changelog either

glass birch
#

I mean.
1.1 adding new story expansion where we left off in wuling
New units
Expanded aic skill tree
New ore with the new locale
New gear added
SoupSoup
New BP
Soupsoup's character story quest
New item in V4's stock redistribution that let's you select an essence (No clue if its 1 time or on a refresh cycle)
Wuling buildings are being upgraded to a max of 3 or 4 (dont think they stated the cap. Likely 3/3 cap with the new area and 1.2 will bring 4/4)

#

Also lv3 for the wuling outposts

#

There was a whole dev log with the changes PerliDerp but a lot of the info was obscure and without the fine details like gear stats, skill numbers for TT, etc

#

Im hyped for the new outpost, extra forge of the sky, and new aic stuff in the first half of 1.1 as well as Rossi in p2 of 1.1

#

The new BP sword looks dope too

ashen scroll
#

I wonder when they going to add one of those upsidedown zipline PerliFumo

glass birch
odd wren
glass birch
#

When did we get pot1? Like half way through V4?

edgy crater
#

Doritos?

glass birch
#

So maybe next update or this update depending on how many expansions wuling is getting (My guess is next one)

edgy crater
#

next update won't open new sub aic

#

dats like 1.2 teaser video with nefar dueling tianshi

glass birch
edgy crater
#

new aic area, based on video, already ingame, u need fly glitch to see it

odd wren
ashen scroll
#

You actualy can see how much they potentialy add from the map grid , i would predict there are atleast 6 total in wulling , west (upcoming update) , crater in the east , bottom left jingyu valley and top of wuling city

#

Based on the blue grid

glass birch
#

So yeah it should be about the size of v4 by the end of it

odd wren
#

Please give me pot 5 endmin so my goal is complete

ashen scroll
#

What pot endmin give anw

odd wren
#

I just want to max her out

glass birch
#

Oh wait 6 total

ashen scroll
odd wren
#

Pot5 endmin pot 5 gv m12 skills is a trophy for me xd

glass birch
#

P5 endmin gonna blow da pan outa the kitchen kekzu

odd wren
dawn patrol
#

p5 endmin boutta be like 90% as good as the next 6* crusher at p0

glass birch
edgy elk
#

class change. Wait for it

ashen scroll
edgy elk
glass birch
ashen scroll
#

Which is only require level 1

glass birch
#

I think in 1.1 I'll make a F2P account for shits and giggles until Rossi comes out. Should I leave my endmin at base lvl or just do a no gear run?

ashen scroll
#

Ill only level my endmind 67/69 later and then bench him forever just like i bench yvone on growth chamber

dawn patrol
#

2 more weeks until rossi

elfin smelt
#

3 actually

#

soupsoup lasts for 17 days no?

mortal trellis
#

ai art in my tc chat wtf

mortal trellis
#

id say 3.5 weeks cause thats when you get all of the free pulls kekA

rare zodiac
#

Would endmin have class change like Amiya? I would love that tho

mortal trellis
#

idk i dont work for hypergryph

rare zodiac
#

Sound sus

elfin smelt
dawn patrol
#

so basically 2 weeks

#

which is almost 1 week

#

and 1 week is nothing so rossi is bascially here already

mortal trellis
#

p5 rossi is already manifesting in your account
where's your wallet? oh, uh, idk

ashen scroll
#

I cant see myself pulling for temu projekt redPerliFumo

dawn patrol
mortal trellis
dawn patrol
#

nah don't bother

#

i'm just gonna let fate take me there

#

amen

mortal trellis
#

lame... im so bored FiaSigh

#

cant even get math to do anymore

dawn patrol
#

go study calculus for fun or something

mortal trellis
#

im already done with calculus

#

im done with college math actually

#

fuck man my favorite subject is gone forever

mortal trellis
#

ew indeed

ashen scroll
#

I hate math but i love what it could do

elfin smelt
#

save some poor souls from that abomination

mortal trellis
#

im self-employed as a private tutor and officially employed for my college as a community tutor

elfin smelt
#

dam that's crazy

#

why we have so much teachers in this tc chat

mortal trellis
#

its kinda bum for my college though since everybody who makes an appointment is just "help me cram for my test in 2 days"

mortal trellis
rare zodiac
#

Teaching irl and ingame PerliWheeze

#

A true educator

odd wren
gritty olive
#

Im only a 2nd yr college student so pls help me then

elfin smelt
mortal trellis
#

unfortunate consequence of being a chinese-run website, same thing with bilibili