theorycrafting

[edgy elk]

oh

210 iirc

[dry kindle]

I'm not even pulling in 1.1

[edgy elk]

i forgot if it's 209 (rounding stuff)

[drifting berry]

Got it, ty sir

[dry kindle]

I'm just prefarming for 1.2 atp

[terse valley]

1.2? 😭

[proven mauve]

same

[dry kindle]

Either that or cap out my essence storage

[proven mauve]

lowkey running out of things to spend stam on

[dry kindle]

Or pre-farm 50 of every gold mat

[proven mauve]

im just building phys team for shits and giggles

[dry kindle]

I don't have pog or lifeng so

🗿

[proven mauve]

build electro trust

[terse valley]

building rossi team and prefarming for rossi

[proven mauve]

surely leek girl will use some of them

[terse valley]

.leek

[compact bridge]

We need like 99k arsenal for p5 weapon, thats like 2240 pulls if you max pity everytime

[main nova]

im waiting for the weapon leak

[dry kindle]

Ew

Imagine having funds for weapons

[warped sorrel]

You need 162,380

[compact bridge]

How? 10 arsenal pull for the first copy and 40 arsenal pull for 5 other copy... Thats 50 arsenal pull or 99k arsenal ticket for p5 weapon

[main nova]

Yvonne team still have potential with tangtang. Imma wait and see what weapon she bring

mono cryo last rite available too

.bestgirl

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470981037210337341/ezgif-2ae7fae77d7a0907.gif?width=548&height=299&ex=69ace958&is=69ab97d8&hm=160a6b3c2032bff667a8bb69b34cbbcb042a67e16414452f632f384a43f8415c&

[main nova]

whaaat

its not tang2 anymore

[warped sorrel]

80 for the first copy
180 for second
340 for third and so on

[main nova]

cryo is quite flexible currently

[cinder oxide]

Reminder to stop trading with WL outpost until new update. We’ve passed the 74.5h threshold.

If you still have outpost bills, pause trading at 41k left

[outer ermine]

[edgy crater]

for what again?

[gritty olive]

max stock

[edgy crater]

[rare rover]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[odd wren]

Haha i stopped trading since ytd already no point anyway

My batteries will be my saving grace for max outpoat day 1 of 1.1 xD

[cinder oxide]

Just port them to V4 atp bro

[odd wren]

Too lazy hahaha

To manual shit i have them on stash

My stash will hold them for me xd

[icy remnant]

How much should my outpost bills be if I’m in Asia

[chilly bolt]

imagine when you need to delete those for space

[icy remnant]

Someone do math for me

[chilly bolt]

wdym ?

[icy remnant]

We’re supposed to stop trading with outpost today to be optimal

And max out stock bills for next upgrade

[chilly bolt]

oh it's exactly 74 hours to reach cap

[rare rover]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-breakdancing-whatthecatdoing-videogame-gif-25655277

[dry kindle]

Where update

[dry kindle]

Not even 1 shot

[rare rover]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dancing-kitten-60fps-boogie-cat-gif-24303276

[odd wren]

Just sell them first xd

[dry kindle]

Where 1 shot

[icy remnant]

Including the 20% bonus?

[chilly bolt]

yes with wulfgard

[icy remnant]

Mm so the update will be finished at utc +8 12pm

And right now it’s utc +8 2pm

[chilly bolt]

idk about valley outposts tho

i suppose those in valley reach the cap faster

just stockpile as much as you can

make citrome A and C

[gritty briar]

why would you even stockpile stuff for valley?

[icy remnant]

I just dumped everything for valley

WuLing is the one that needs stockpiling

[gritty briar]

is there some advantage to making valley stock later instead of right now?

[icy remnant]

Nope

[chilly bolt]

feeling of being optimal

[gritty briar]

I understand wuling you'd wait so you get progress for the new level cap of the outpost but v4 is still going to be the same right?

[icy remnant]

[chilly bolt]

oh i forgot dont they update valley?

[icy remnant]

Just to have more shop items

[gritty briar]

i dont expect a level 5 for the outposts

[chilly bolt]

i mean like at least add more stuff in the shop

[gritty briar]

right but what's the difference between having the stock now and using it to buy that stuff later, vs getting the stock later and buying it later?

[icy remnant]

Valley is considered a finished zone
Or a tutorial zone honestly
Valley IV is mondstat

[gritty briar]

Isn't it the same thing?

It's like you're trying to say having $5 later is better than having $5 now because the store opens later

could you not just do the trade and just hold on to the stock?

[chilly bolt]

so true

[gritty briar]

it only makes sense for wuling imo cause they'll probably raise the level limit so you'd want trades for leveling the outpost

probably

[chilly bolt]

i forgot they dont add more valley outpost level

[icy remnant]

Okay I believe I mathed it properly

I left myself 32k stock bills

Should just about cap it out by the time maintenance is over

[chilly bolt]

well at least i still have a bunch elastic goods waiting to be sold for valley

[icy remnant]

Valley bills are like Zimbabwe dollars

Billionaire of nobody

[green cipher]

I've seen people beeing mad that tangtang is 6* what a bunch of dingos

[chilly bolt]

that's me

im mad

[smoky quarry]

Understandable reaction

[chilly bolt]

why must she be a cryo 6*

now i have to reconsider skipping her for roossi

[smoky quarry]

It just means that devs are gonna print out anything that remotely looks like operator and make them legendaries

which is a shitty course

[warm galleon]

At least you're guarantee to get her in 120 pulls

5star can dodge you for a year or two

[proud vector]

You trying to suggest our glorious leader looks like 5 star material?

[green cipher]

Ikr

Smh smh

[terse valley]

yes

[proud vector]

joking aside the 5* quality is good enough to pass as 6*

So I guess that’s fair

[signal sundial]

I got liskarm like 3 years into og ak

[flat glen]

The F2P players that whine about "it's so F2P unfriendly to only release 6* characters" are out of their mind 5* are such a crapshoot random chance to get that they are not really F2P friendly at all

[simple cloak]

In case P5

[proud vector]

I would like

2.0 to have like welfare 5* Wulfguard style

Like honestly it would be nice and give a character to piggyback story on that everyone will have

And because they are garenteed to be in your party they can be reused properly in future story content

Smh smh

[green cipher]

Well see how things go

Most of who complain are f2p that have fomo

[ashen scroll]

i would rather have a game where the 6star is actualy rare and not everyone have them and causing every single people on my friendlist have the same roster , i rather have it this way than having ultra hardcore content that force you to use certain strat and character and cause every account is the same

i remember watching certain CC doing account review on certain gacha where all their account is exact copy of each other but with extra something like potential and stuff

i wish i wont wake up to that nightmare for endfield

[wispy shuttle]

hopefully after initial permanent rewards are dried up when skippers pull their char we might get some variation

[proud vector]

being part of skipper gang is pain

its paiiiiiin

[summer flicker]

[signal sundial]

I meannn

If you're acc reviewing whales how varied can they be right

[outer ermine]

[frail raven]

Perlica my beloved

[dusk isle]

That seems low, feed her more materials

[frail raven]

I just haven't maxxed her essence yet but she's maxxed everywhere else 😨

[compact bridge]

Endfield is basically that

[warped sorrel]

I hope you are not in charge of making the game

[odd wren]

Meanwhile me focusing on mc

[bronze plume]

Melon lives

[warped sorrel]

Haven't see you for a while

I thought you leave

[bronze plume]

Naur im just here in theorycrafting

[next helm]

If you can't build perlica for main dps in the future

or other dumb things

[potent hornet]

Perlica can do some ok dmg if you build for it

[final plume]

so im done with my main DPS essence maxed out, where do I spend my sanity next?

main dps is 90/wep90 M6
supports are at 60 skill 6
do I invest more levels or skills on support or start their weapon essences (I have the essence just not leveled, got it while farming fodder for main DPS essence)?

[gritty olive]

id 80/80 supports and do rank9

[potent hornet]

are you pulling for TangTang?

[final plume]

no my team rights now is Lae, Wulf, Aki, Ard with a pop in Antal for Bosses
saving for Zhuang Fangyi unless a great support for Lae released first

@gritty olive and then do their essences last ?

[signal sundial]

Protohedrons

Lots and lots of protohedrons

[potent hornet]

or tcreds

[signal sundial]

Or tcreds

[gritty olive]

I recommend guaranteed upgrades first so yes

I personally do essence first but do what i said

[final plume]

do supports even need max essence?
I could probably do the high chances of success first and stop there

[gritty olive]

Guaranteed upgrades have more “weight” per se

[gritty olive]

Youd want the important lines. You can skip the 2nd line if its unimportant for the unit

[signal sundial]

Just on the 3rd line

But you can easily roll purple +2/+3 essence on the last line while farming flawless

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/goatplaybanjo-stupid-gif-9707638881774064299

[dry kindle]

rng:

[next helm]

Why are the weeklies so dumb

Why would I replay umbral

[green cipher]

Cause

[dry kindle]

that task takes like 2 minutes

[ashen scroll]

Gacha player when theyre told to play the game

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-theresa-ak-gif-18064173070836274004

[deep topaz]

is there a chart/list some where listing the good match pieces for artificing?

[dawn shard]

https://endfieldtools.dev/gear-artificing-solver/

[oak vigil]

People for no reason collecting like 3k+ of these chips from owl stations:

[ashen scroll]

Because people realise dijang passive income actualy matter

So they want quick upgrade after update

[oak vigil]

But on a serious note, yeah it’s a good thing taking a break after basically doing almost everything in the game

[honest hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825059873150074932/1472755774840246292/togif.gif

[oak vigil]

I just hop in to do dailies, get essences for weapons I don’t have, upgrade main team essence and test the difference on the boss

I am currently suffering from success where I need to deal slightly less damage on Rhodagn to not trigger his phase 2 animation transition because it cancels out his stagger before I could land a stagger finisher loool

[deep topaz]

wait we dont need that much?

[dawn shard]

ye, devs said no more dijang upgrades any time soon

[next helm]

CC's said dailies are like 2 hours

10 minutes average

[deep topaz]

wait how its like 1 hour plus for me

[next helm]

What do you even do

[ashen scroll]

Bro walking for depot deliveryv

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-arknights-theresa-absolute-cinema-absolute-sinema-arknights-absolute-cinema-gif-5725006416369647831

[next helm]

1.5k flowers

I don't think you will need those for the coming 2 years

[oak vigil]

1. Do a daily mission (autocompletes 100 task points) - claim task points thingy
2. Use up 200 energy for mats or whatever

Takes MAXIMUM 5-10 minutes

Ain’t no way 2 hours lmao

(not including Wulling delivery)

[deep topaz]

@oak vigil here is mine
Arknights Endfield
Web daily sign in
Web events

Dailies
Spaceship (gifting ops and visiting friends)
Acquisition Center (Credit Store and arsenal)
Stamina (sanity, daily quest, and battle pass)
Eco Farm (plant and grow what you cant mass produce in AIC)
Regional Dev

Can skip if you dont feel like
Recycling (owls) maxed the ship for now, you can prep for future updates if you want

Weekly
Gathering Sites (more like twice a week)
Weekly Routine (event page)

Monthly
Check for any events permanent or not that is expiring and you need to progress

@ashen scroll no I have ziplines setup atleast

[next helm]

Use sanity -> daily page -> Region stuff -> base stuff

[oak vigil]

Tbh eco farm even theoretically is kinda useless unless for Jacob’s food or whatever it’s called for dmg buff

For uhhhh wheat plant

[ashen scroll]

For manual crafting oroberry

[next helm]

That daily section takes 5 minutes

[oak vigil]

I just realized, I haven’t tested my clears with food buffs, imma go do that

[ashen scroll]

Nah it say eco farm not wuling farm

[deep topaz]

its both

[deep topaz]

regional dev takes like 30 minutes to do everything from the two regions

[ashen scroll]

I think u shouldnt do eco farm if your manual crafting threshold finished

[next helm]

How

You click Y

empty the bars

click depot send everything to other people

[deep topaz]

im talking about everything in there in both regions

[signal sundial]

[deep topaz]

no one does this in v4 anymore have to do manually

[next helm]

Picture takes 30 seconds and is like every 3 days

Have to do manually for what?

An empty store?

[ashen scroll]

I mean its up to him

[signal sundial]

tbf i havent bought out the v4 store either

[next helm]

Only thing I can buy is double sanity use tickets

[signal sundial]

but i also dont feel that extra 500k per day is meaningful to me atp

[deep topaz]

not yet still have some stuff

then 3 times manually again for wuling

[next helm]

I could buy the 5 star weapons

but that doesn't do anything

I have all the vanity base items

all mats

So all I can buy is sanity permits and food

[deep topaz]

and I can already imagine once we do actually buyout everything we breathe for a few months then next update comes new region and we have to do it all over again
then comes the burnout

[ashen scroll]

[next helm]

Wdym

You are burning out rn

Picking mint

[honest hill]

mintpickers lmao

[ashen scroll]

The moment new region out your valley IV are not going to active

[honest hill]

[next helm]

1.5k of the flowers

[deep topaz]

yeah kinda feel it probably drop everything other than the essential daily once the new gachas I wanna try releases

it'd be just like Arknights login check base consume sanity logout

[next helm]

you need like 20 to max someone

[ashen scroll]

I mean the game is finished for now

[lime nacelle]

Can someone explain to me why the **** this keeps on happening please?

Like is it bugged?

[next helm]

You need these to max 1 skill

You have 1.5k of the first plant

I don't think you need any more flowers for the rest of the games lifetime (if they don't add new plants)

[summer flicker]

too fast

you do your 2nd fs b4 your xaihi cs still in cd

[lime nacelle]

The second one yes.

[summer flicker]

[lime nacelle]

But the third one?

[next helm]

He has enough flowers for 125 characters

[honest hill]

they'll add new ones for each region

[next helm]

Sorry, not trying to flame you but it is just very funny

[lime nacelle]

Or does her skill run out before the third?

Even though the crystal is there.

[signal sundial]

arknights roster be like:

[summer flicker]

ok heres the thing

[jade nebula]

the 3rd final strike will delete the crystal (even before the time has run out)

[summer flicker]

you didnt recast xaihi skill

you hit 2fs b4 her combo skill cool down end

no matter how much fs you do after it not gonna trigger it

[lime nacelle]

Ah OK.

Guess I'll just space it more.

[summer flicker]

because its strictly the 2nd fs after youbcast xaihi battle skill

[deep topaz]

yeah I'm a hoarder in game
I have this wierd OCD of like getting everything specially in single player games

[jade nebula]

-# you're not at the item limit keep farming

[next helm]

No wonder you burn out, and you want to play more gacha games 💀

[deep topaz]

yeah I wanna try them but I only ever stick to a few

[fast ledge]

how is tangtang and rossi future team?

[next helm]

Only guesswork rn until they release/get datamined

[deep topaz]

ohh wait you meant the characters yeah I know my limit cause im f2p mostly, but DNA was hell cause everything was technically free you just had to grind ALOT
I think that was the fastest game I burnout on LOL

[honest hill]

that's funny being burn out from playing gacha so you decide to play more gacha

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825059873150074932/1472755774840246292/togif.gif

[lime nacelle]

Play a NEW gacha!

[deep topaz]

technically you burnout from doing the monotonous things that aren't fun everyday like its work/chores

then you play other gacha to have fun again or atleast try to

[honest hill]

You should try branch out

try other games

[ashen scroll]

That is where you balance it with job and real life responsibility

[honest hill]

gacha games aren't the only games that exist

[ashen scroll]

[deep topaz]

yeah I do play lots of different types of games

[honest hill]

That's what ur supposed to first

[deep topaz]

try to name a genre a haven't played yet

[honest hill]

souls games

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/jumpscare-job-job-application-meme-cat-meme-gif-4017884468713182492

[deep topaz]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

thats my fav LOL

[honest hill]

I only said that because gacha players have major skill issue

[deep topaz]

the issue I have with gacha is the damage race at the end game

its not like souls where only your skills matter and not your equipment
you can poke a boss for 1 hour with a broken sword and still win
not this DPS timed race most gacha are enforcing

[ashen scroll]

Did you notice , there no souls player calling their souls game their favorite game . . .
They be like hmm yes nice story . .hm yes yes finger but hole . . .
Nobody think its their fav game... youre suspicious

[signal sundial]

i will never financially recover from this

[honest hill]

well you have to learn rotations and how your teammates play

just like learning to dodge/parry and attacking in souls games

[honest hill]

should've used them

[signal sundial]

real

im saving them for the next hg game

gg account bricked

[deep topaz]

doesnt help when they keep scaling HP and you're stuck with f2p gears no matter how much you optimize you only get a few seconds better and its still not enough to get full clear rewards

[honest hill]

wym by F2P gears in what game

[signal sundial]

certainly not this game

[deep topaz]

yeah not this game (so far), I meant other gachas I played genshin wuwa etc

[honest hill]

what do you mean by "F2P gears"

[deep topaz]

like not their sig etc

[honest hill]

thing is

this game

the content is super easy

[outer ermine]

dw there was someone worse

[honest hill]

but if they add a 2-3m endgame where it's hard

it'll be like other gacha

[deep topaz]

yeah I can see that

[dry kindle]

1.1 just an update away

[outer ermine]

[deep topaz]

right now timer is generous
and you focus more on the stage mechanics

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/limbus-company-limbus-time-win-rate-login-gif-15956051891047702213

[dry kindle]

im just prefarming anyway

so yeah

[outer ermine]

u whel anyway its fine

[honest hill]

at least for me wuwa endgame is not that hard but it is a dps/skill check for middle 3/4

[dry kindle]

[honest hill]

ur a big whel

[deep topaz]

definitely back then can solo Danjin now too much HP scaling can only do that if the stage buffs her

[honest hill]

toa originally had only middle 1/2 if u can still clear those then you're fine

it's just super shilled for last two

[honest hill]

You a very big whel Hifumi

[signal sundial]

tbf modern soulslike is about breaking the game anyw

unless you're a ds1-3 connoisseur

[outer ermine]

misinfo, im just using strikers acc

[honest hill]

proof or else

[ashen scroll]

People should calculated their average $/min and compare it to their ingame mintpicking time . . .
If you get less roll by mintpicking just do your job

[deep topaz]

yeah I noticed that when they released Elden Ring
mainly play d1
@ashen scroll this guy doubts me so yeah have not played d2 or d3 yet or the other ones exclusively not on PC
but souls genre is definitely one of my favs

[signal sundial]

i noticed alot of soulslike "enjoyers" but all theyve ever played is elden ring

[honest hill]

idek which souls game is the hardest well top 3 sekiro wasn't even that hard

[deep topaz]

yeah have tried Sekiro but haven't finsihed that one cause it a bit off from normal souls game

[signal sundial]

in the words of my friend:
"souls games arent hard, the enemy literally telegraph their attacks at you"

[honest hill]

elden ring is for beginners, also newer souls games have difficulty sliders so they can be "enjoyers"

[ashen scroll]

Souls game were considered the hardest because its get into mainstream , where casuals and sweat ratio is like 8:2

[signal sundial]

but as a certified impatient man

i cant do souls like

[deep topaz]

what the, they dare call themselves souls game if they have diff sliders ?

[signal sundial]

best i can do is hollow knight and silksong

maybe another crab's treasure just because its funny

[honest hill]

because u play aggressive in sekiro and is faster

[ashen scroll]

Its not even true , its not faster just flashier

[honest hill]

souls games having sliders is fine for accessibility but you can't call yourself an "enjoyer" when you haven't played it on hard mode

souls games were known for difficulty

[deep topaz]

Long-arm Centipede Giraffe says hi

[honest hill]

but u have to play aggressive in sekiro

[signal sundial]

wuchang was kinda nice if yall ever played that

too bad about the retcon tho

[honest hill]

I beat it twice true and bad ending

[ashen scroll]

Was always a choice

[honest hill]

bosses there actually hurt

[plucky warren]

no From souls games have difficulty sliders only other brands copying the style

[bronze plume]

Ds3 is my fav game youre welcome

[honest hill]

they kick u once they take half ur hp away xd

[ashen scroll]

Then again , shouldnt underestimate how bad player can be , i know someone stuck on alateron in monhun game for 3 years

[honest hill]

mb I meant souls like

[signal sundial]

as a skill issue player i dropped it when i got to that big ol burning area

i just didnt really enjoy it i guess

[honest hill]

it's faster than fromsouls games

[deep topaz]

exactly difficulty is the heart of a souls game why would you put sliders (they want more money from casuals ig)

[honest hill]

and u gotta dodge properly for SP essentially

[bronze plume]

That is literqlly the reason most knockoffs do it

Lies of P the only actually enjoyable non fromsoft souls like ive played intorduced a difficulty slider with its DLC and the hardest mode is the normal mode

Literallt made just to get more casuals to pkay and grab the dlc

[honest hill]

The only two games I have played that had difficulty sliders were Lies of P and The First Beserker, they only added them like midway into the updates of the game and I had no clue there was sliders

[signal sundial]

i did enjoy the re-spec system

[ashen scroll]

And endfield

[signal sundial]

it was nice that you arent locked into a particular build

[honest hill]

endfield is nowhere close

[deep topaz]

endfield sliders when

[signal sundial]

oh crab souls had a really fun difficulty slider

it just gives you a gun that one shots everything

[ashen scroll]

Endfirld have slider , we call it adjustable exploration level

[honest hill]

yes a lot of the newer soulslike games have amazing re-spec system which is free resets unlike elden ring

[bronze plume]

Are we comparing souls games to fucking endfield right now

[honest hill]

idk why it's being compared to endfield

[signal sundial]

i need a game that has all the slop genres i like

metroidvania soulslike roguelike deckbuilder gacha

[honest hill]

endfield is negative difficulty

[bronze plume]

Thats comparing atomic bomb to coughing baby

[honest hill]

[ashen scroll]

Nobody compared it , who would

[bronze plume]

Yiu are not finding a good game like that

[deep topaz]

yeah gacha tend to do this with thier knockoffs minigames events

[midnight stirrup]

wuwa

actually wuwa

[ashen scroll]

I bet my whole fortune they will make a atmoic bomb and call it coughing baby just to kill the meme

Even if it already dead

[ashen scroll]

Wuwa is more like code vein , boobs and handsome men focus

[deep topaz]

they have knockoff dredge, orcs must die, luck be a landlord, vampire survivors, and a card game from somewhere there's probably more im forgetting

also OG Arknights EN have this event on going kinda like Loop Hero mixed with passive income of idle games

[ashen scroll]

[honest hill]

dw guys

we will TC in a few days maybe

[drifting quest]

i mean thursday's the day

[next helm]

There is no preload?

[honest hill]

preload during maintenance

[summer flicker]

[honest hill]

[summer flicker]

i need someone to run the number

[honest hill]

u can run the numbers on tt

[summer flicker]

to see if
yvonne gilb xaihi perlica/alesh
yvonne tangtang xaihi perlica
yvonne gilb xaihi tangtang

which is better

[oak vigil]

Tbh, remotely where Endfield started to be difficult is agony mode (except the gas room, because it’s either a damage check, either you use an operator which can heal and win automatically) and marble second phase when she is not stunlocked to hell lol

[ashen scroll]

Cant wait another slab slop miss information

[summer flicker]

my feelcraft they are comparable

[honest hill]

umbral is just more annoying than difficult

[dry kindle]

Can we get 1.2 already so I can p5 wulf

Okty

[honest hill]

only if ur prepared to whale

to save endfield

[dry kindle]

🗿

[summer flicker]

i want my p5 xaihi

when getting tangtang

[honest hill]

no she's mine

I want my P5 avy

[deep topaz]

Zhuang Fangyi banner?

[summer flicker]

after tangtang and rossi

ima skip all

unless those char are helpful to yvonne or tangtang or rossi

[honest hill]

I only interested possibly in Mi fu and definitely leek lung

[outer ermine]

🤝

[honest hill]

yvonne need teammates to wheelchair her

[summer flicker]

watch they make mifu or leek replace xaihi

the 4 6* team

[honest hill]

mi fu seem like phys or electric defender

[warped sorrel]

I guess is mifu and fangyi cant play together and are their own separate team

[deep topaz]

Me going all in Zhuang Fangyi
since my team is Lae, secondary Endmin physical
I dont have anyone to pull for in 1.1

[honest hill]

I kinda think that as well

[summer flicker]

[ashen scroll]

Yvone can stay in growth chamber , i need more 6☆ men

[warped sorrel]

Guessing operator element in EF is pretty hard

They like to do whatever they want

[deep topaz]

My bet proabably electric Zhuang Fangyi

[honest hill]

she will be electric

she summons lightning

[ashen scroll]

But green

Naturw dps fr fe

[honest hill]

I don't think colour matters

[deep topaz]

I actually dont mind as long as she's a main DPS

[ashen scroll]

I think so

[honest hill]

if that was true gilberta wouldn't have been nature

[warped sorrel]

Fangyi look like Lod Chong

[drifting quest]

rossi and all her red vfx, red design

[deep topaz]

but me hoping we get to transform with her as playable char, maybe like carte

[honest hill]

no I doubt

[deep topaz]

dang no green nacked lady

[ashen scroll]

We craft xiranite from plant fiber

[honest hill]

idk if HG has the budget like wuwa did for carte

[ashen scroll]

Very green nature energy source

[ashen scroll]

That is fine

I would argue HG have mote budget

[deep topaz]

yeah this is what I think too LOL

[honest hill]

is that why 1.1 seems like a nothing burger

[deep topaz]

maybe rushed out of the oven

[honest hill]

I think the whole release was rushed tbh

[smoky quarry]

What the hell is protocol crate?

[honest hill]

1.1 not the patch to bring back players it'll be 1.2 maybe 1.3

[ashen scroll]

HG merch selling like crazy tho , i alone know atleast 4 oil prince that order countainer worth of merch for no reaaon

[honest hill]

That's merch I'm talking about the game itself

[smoky quarry]

irl whale

[ashen scroll]

HG money is not from just the game so..

[elfin smelt]

chests, also you should ask that in #help

[honest hill]

ik but how can they not make 1.1 good why does it seem like a nothing burger w all the budget they have

[ashen scroll]

I mean youre talking about budget not gacha income

[honest hill]

yeah I am talking about budget

they have enough to make the game way better

[drifting quest]

dev time takes time

infinite budget does not create infinite time

[ashen scroll]

I mean looking at how they optimize the game and other stuff there is no way they rush it

[honest hill]

we'll see what they cook in 1.2

[elfin smelt]

yea respect the devs for optimizing the game to run on almost all platforms

[ashen scroll]

You probably can run endfield with actual potato at 1.2

[honest hill]

[neat snow]

(game freezes every 3 seconds on 5070ti)

[honest hill]

I do have performance issues on PC

mainly loading into the game

[ashen scroll]

Cant relate honestly

[elfin smelt]

1.1 patch is quite short, and they probly will slowly roll out QoL over time

patience is the name of the game

[honest hill]

34 days is quite short yes

[deep topaz]

the only issue im having is that sometimes it decides to eat all my 32GB RAM

[ashen scroll]

I usualy just buy prebuild gaming pc let it run 24/7 until it break and get new one

[neat snow]

I have one I built and it doesn't lag and the one I bought does lag. But they are pretty similar systems. It doesn't really make sense

[honest hill]

I don't think we will see 3 character patch again

2 character is standard

[ashen scroll]

Its the machine spirit

[deep topaz]

probably on a big patch

[honest hill]

maybe

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-techpriest-binaric-screeching-screeching-gif-20192683

[honest hill]

the "big" patch should be 1.2/3

but I doubt we will see 3 characters it's highly unlikely

[elfin smelt]

I mean they have to introduce 4* 5* too

[deep topaz]

hmm now that we are on two banners per patch, maybe its sustainable to daisy chain the dossier now as f2p

[ashen scroll]

If they follow AK route

Highly doubt it

[honest hill]

[ashen scroll]

Since 3d model especialy with endfield level probably cost arm and leg

[elfin smelt]

oh we have now, neat

[ashen scroll]

I do wondering when we get our own clownslayer version of endfield

[honest hill]

also one lim char in other gacha is 5 weeks long patch which is about the same as a 2 character patch in endfield since the banners are 17/18 days

[elfin smelt]

yea the amount of dev effort is insane comparing to AK

[neat snow]

Yeah 3d is a whole different beast

[elfin smelt]

do you mean a meme boss or a meme op

[ashen scroll]

Yes

[elfin smelt]

cos clownslayer was a free character and her competition was texas alt and yato alt

[deep topaz]

I mean she was free atleast right?

[smoky quarry]

playing on almost lowest settings, 3050

I understand that this is bad videocard, but this kind of graphics is usually medium 120 fps for me

[deep topaz]

I like having higher graphics settings that fps tbh unless its a competitive game

im running max settings at 60fps

[ashen scroll]

I think the game consume more ram than average game tho, idk the how it works

Theyre light on gpu . . .relatively

[elfin smelt]

it's their unity magic and witchcraft with their own engine, who knows. It's tech trade secret

[ashen scroll]

Need techpriest

[deep topaz]

I mean I have RX6600 which is not far off from 3050

[neat snow]

I do max settings 120fps and even if I turn it all low it will still stutter. I think this pc is just borked.

[deep topaz]

I have Ryzen 5 5600 RX6600(8GB VRAM) 32GB RAM and runs perfectly fine on max settings 60fps cap its just sometimes it decides to eat all that RAM and have to restart the game

[neat snow]

It's probably the Intel cpu my 9800x3D runs just fine

I know it's not a graphics thing because league of legends also stutters and that game can run on an actual potato.

[smoky quarry]

Not really

[ashen scroll]

I mean ut does consume less than when i play monhun wild

Your Gforce R... that why

[summer flower]

GeForce Radeon from eBay

[smoky quarry]

GeForce Rhodagn 120 Trim Edition

[crude swan]

Wtf

[deep topaz]

try capping 60 fps

[crude swan]

When me just 16gb ram and no problem

[deep topaz]

yeah it usually just eat around 8GB, sometimes it does that and I have to restart to be normal again, idk why

[ashen scroll]

His 32gb ram got taxed for AI running in the background

[warm galleon]

I bought y700+g9 combo cause of ram leaks

[ashen scroll]

What even is ram leaks

Never heard of it

[warm galleon]

Phone can run it at max 60 fps but it's 4 yrs old

Memory leaks

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/bilizz-gif-16660729688486425416

Be nice he balding

[warm galleon]

Wait that's mean nvm

[ashen scroll]

Anw what is ram leak

[cold pond]

Hi

[warm galleon]

^

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/be-gone-thot-gif-10386441

[ashen scroll]

Yeah i dont get it

[warm galleon]

It's when the game starts eating all your pc's ram

[ashen scroll]

So like it eat more than it suppose to because it got unc status?

[warm galleon]

Because it's leaking

[ashen scroll]

Yeah but why is it leaking

[deep topaz]

bad coding maybe or something

[warm galleon]

Windows is just one faulty stuffs to work with

[smoky quarry]

It's when program fails to clear up used memory that's no longer needed

Because of this, memory can't be reused until you forcefully delete data from it

[warm galleon]

I have no leak on my legion go but ehh 1600p screen but chips can only support 800p

[main nova]

most of memory leakage came from the security system

[deep topaz]

the anti cheat?

[main nova]

yeah those things keep checking every little thing afterall

[deep topaz]

didnt know endfield have one

[main nova]

todays game usually have one

[deep topaz]

no I meant I thought its built in not like a seperate install

[ashen scroll]

[warm galleon]

It's a diff dll or somtin

[proud vector]

Sooo

We waiting soon for maint

And datamine yes yes?

[drifting quest]

thursday

or wed night for western timezones

but first looks will probably be when servers go live over datamine

unless we get a spook preload

[elfin smelt]

has anyone figured out the rotation for the weapon in the arsenal shop

[summer flicker]

[elfin smelt]

I saw shuo and some other people recorded their appearance but my brain's not braining enough to see the pattern

[hallow glade]

What's the damage formula for arts burst?

[elfin smelt]

the only source I know

[hallow glade]

Is this the wiki

[elfin smelt]

yuh

[hallow glade]

K thanks, so # of stacks doesnt matter for burst

[drifting quest]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?tab=t.6ugp2bwnvloa

[manic blade]

are there ult breakpoints for akekuri / wulfgard

[tough roost]

wulfgard yes, akekuri kinda

wulf breakpoint only matters if he is P5

akekuri wants as much as you can get her gear to

[manic blade]

oh antal too...

[tough roost]

even then you can probably be lazy and just give akekuri frontier set and most people wouldnt even bat an eye

idk about the lizard

he isnt supposed to be the last team slot. ardelia is a much smoother pick

[manic blade]

last slot is gilb, tryin to just build antal to replace ake for speed runs

[tough roost]

in that case you would have every ult ready before battle begins, rendering ult charge breakpoint useless since youre supposed to win in one cycle

i dont think a nuke friendly cycle exist for lae team unlike other nuke comps like avywena

but im open for shocks

[drifting quest]

laev has speedrun stuff just like the rest

[manic blade]

still waiting for pyro xaihi

[drifting quest]

it used to be somewhat competitive times but it's now outscaled

[manic blade]

whats wulfgards breakpoint anyways

do I need to artifice him next

[drifting quest]

assuming you're speedrunning you drop wulf anyway

if you want reg clear its like 232 for p0 laev, 241 for p1+ laev

[tough roost]

assuming wulf p5

because without p5, his ult is reduced to aoe lae combo proc

[drifting quest]

this is p5 wulf yes

[tough roost]

pretty good stuff but isnt really time sensitive so you can proc it on an odd turn

[manic blade]

ye p5 wulf

[hallow glade]

Whats a ult break point

[rare zodiac]

the % of efficiency once need to get ult every x rot

[main nova]

Lae team already peak as it is and as simple as it can get

probably in future where we got another support that can keep more constant heat while increasing her basic attack damage will see more of her

[tough roost]

just from design philosophy, a nuke build lae is not meant for her

[main nova]

agree

[tough roost]

its possible though with a lot of pain and RNG

[main nova]

better not tbh

as many programmer always said "better not touch something thats not even broken"

cryo seems could do more tbh

not really sure about physical

[chilly bolt]

I see physical as a very consistent team

You just have a lot of room to recover from mistakes

And the dmg is not bad either

[tough roost]

physical is too expensive to run

if you want a budget nuke experience after making lae, avy team is very nice

[chilly bolt]

Stop tempting me to build avy

[dawn patrol]

rossi will come out and nuke every boss in 5s surely

[drifting quest]

Possible I guess

Yvonne esque

[green cipher]

Good then

Ever dos can just nuke the bods

[dawn patrol]

the 'i guess' doing a lot of heavy lifting here

[drifting quest]

Never commit

[next helm]

Potentially

[modest thorn]

are there numbers on artzy vs nav vs wedge on yvonne?

[noble tapir]

P5 artzy>p5 wedge>p0 artzy>p5 nav>p0 wedge (I believe)

[dawn patrol]

p0 it's 100/82/80 for artzy/wedge/nav

[modest thorn]

what do those numbers mean?

[noble tapir]

How much worse they are than artzy

[drifting quest]

100(%) is the baseline - p0 artzy

[modest thorn]

oh gotcha

[drifting quest]

then the rest is relative to that performance

only applies to that specific rot in that specific team

[modest thorn]

at p5 is it similar or does nav get outscaled

[drifting quest]

its p5 nav, p0 wedge, p0 artzy

or no

i dont actually know what pot nav it is

[noble tapir]

Pretty sure that’s p0 nav

[drifting quest]

i didnt think p0 nav was that close to p0 wedge though

likewise p5 navi should be closer to p0 artzy

[noble tapir]

I thought p5 nav was close to p0 artzy

Yeah

[chilly bolt]

P0 nav doesn't have numbers, or at least I've never seen it

[drifting quest]

there's calcs with p0 nav

i just dont know the average over them all off the top of my head

since its different rot (and sometimes different teams)

between calcs

[chilly bolt]

I think it was p3 where it beats p0 wedge

[drifting quest]

p1 or p2 would have been my guess but i could see p3

[chilly bolt]

But yeah different calcs have different assumptions

[drifting quest]

i tend to try give ranges in advice myself for that reason

[next helm]

p5 nav is like few percent lower I saw

P5 wedge few percent over

[drifting quest]

p5 wedge can be 5-10% better

or well

its like 2-8% or so

from memory

[chilly bolt]

I thought it's 0-5%

[dawn patrol]

[chilly bolt]

[drifting quest]

idk where the 0% is coming from

[chilly bolt]

I made that up

It's 5%

[drifting quest]

[dawn patrol]

we should just start making things up methinks

[drifting quest]

the true feelscrafting

[gritty briar]

Do we know anything about TangTang's limited or BP weapons?

[chilly bolt]

We know the essence ?

[next helm]

potentially know the essence

[drifting quest]

we know the 1.0 datamine of what it was in the files then

it could change from that > 1.1 live

we know nothing else

[next helm]

The EF files

[chilly bolt]

Imagine they swap out the files

To scam the dataminers

[drifting quest]

it'd certainly be amusing if it changes for all the people who 6/6/3'd already

[dawn patrol]

they should start releasing info ahead of time but just redact 90% of it

[next helm]

Redacted like yv*nne

[gritty briar]

surely no one would actually etch the essence before the actual weapon is announced right?

[dawn patrol]

@neon latch right?

[drifting quest]

[gritty briar]

farming the base essence is one thing

etching it though

[next helm]

What was the BP essence

[drifting quest]

nothing on bp

[next helm]

Ah i see

[gritty briar]

wtf

[drifting quest]

it's ||image was in the file, so we knew tangtang was a 6* unit because of that||

[gritty briar]

is that for rossi?

[dawn patrol]

i have one too but it's only 1/4/1 lmao

and before you ask it dropped like that

[drifting quest]

I grabbed 1/1/1's for both while farming fodder

[next helm]

Prefarming so you have nothing to do in 1.1

[brisk pecan]

do you know what the weapon's skill effect is tho

imagine the sig is junk

[drifting quest]

no

[brisk pecan]

😔

(possibly) RIP

[drifting quest]

we'll find out either a bit into maintenance or more likely when the patch goes live

the woes of no preload

[brisk pecan]

30 gigs of download 😔

[drifting quest]

im stuck uninstalling to reinstall

the update size is bigger than the spare i have spare on my drive

if i have to move ef to a hdd as soon as 1.1 its doomed

[next helm]

Delete something on the ssd then

[dawn patrol]

i have like 100gb to spare so i'm eating good

[next helm]

Do you have something like spotify?

[drifting quest]

no i just have a 256gb ssd with windows on it too

granted i have a fat pagefile i could just

shrink

im just gonna do that lmao

[gritty briar]

just get a bigger drive!

[drifting quest]

bro im not rich

[next helm]

I once had like 20gb in spotify songs in my appdata

[honest hill]

for who

[gritty briar]

actually i guess ssd have gotten more expensive lately with the ram prices

everything expensive

[dawn patrol]

we need to kill ai data centres

[bronze plume]

Everythings gotten more expensive

Fuck ai

Dumbass mf goofy looking ai

[dawn patrol]

ross

from friends or whateva

[honest hill]

what about the supreme chief

[bronze plume]

Man

[dawn patrol]

i'm not pulling tt and neither is monika i think

[honest hill]

idk who that is

[bronze plume]

From friends?

[drifting quest]

post rent i have like $100 a month to go to travel, somewhat food, etc.
dont have the $100-200 it takes to buy a even subpar ssd

[dawn patrol]

beef who are you pulliing

[drifting quest]

should be changed when i get a real job since right now i mostly volunteer in free time

[dawn patrol]

drop yo paypal next month

[bronze plume]

Youve asked this already

[honest hill]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-30000-arknights-arknights-endfield-perlica-gif-604696076763371309

[dawn patrol]

i deadass be forgetting stuff man

[honest hill]

Beef is pulling Rossi

[bronze plume]

Depending on numbers and what 1.2 shows

For 1.1 rossi or nobody

[dawn patrol]

🔥

[drifting quest]

ill probably pull whoever less people are pulling

since then i can bug more people for testing on the one i dont own

[bronze plume]

I give 0 fucks about tangtang or cryo as a whole right now

[next helm]

I'll try one pity for TT

[dawn patrol]

this is why you're my goat

[bronze plume]

New electric units that dont replace perlica i wont care for

[next helm]

then I'll wait and see for a bit

[bronze plume]

I mean its all just personal preference

[dawn patrol]

i just think cryo has gotten too much

we don't need more

[bronze plume]

Physical:

[dawn patrol]

phys is its own fucked up little beast

[next helm]

More options is better

[bronze plume]

But i agree we have 3 fucking nature units

[next helm]

Unless one new character just overshadows all old ones

[honest hill]

blame Yvonne

[bronze plume]

3 nature
2 of them are 6 star supporters
1 is standard
1 is limited
And the 3rd is forgettable outside horny bait

[dawn patrol]

i mean

i think the green woman has a good design

[bronze plume]

May zeus smite me down if im wrong

[drifting quest]

Base:
Physical - 7 (+2 shatter)
Heat - 2 (1 maybe doesnt count)
Cryo - 3 (+2 shatter)
Electric - 4
Nature - 2

Limited:
Physical - 0 (+1 maybe)
Heat - 1 (+1 maybe)
Cryo - 2
Electric - 0
Nature - 1

[brisk pecan]

dino girl has a 10s cd ult

surely there's something you can do with that

400% ult gain perhaps

[bronze plume]

And a 40 s combo skill cooldown

[next helm]

Its less than 40 right?

You get cdr from something?

[honest hill]

Rossi put 0.5 for physical and Heat

[drifting quest]

i dont personally believe in hybrid rossi

i think she will be one or the other

[honest hill]

doesn't most of her dmg come from ult

so heat?

[dawn patrol]

that's what they said so

[drifting quest]

thats what the video suggested

and hence what my current belief is orientated around

[bronze plume]

Bro doesnt belive in the rossi, endmin, wulf, pog comp

[drifting quest]

i sure dont

it'll clear i guess

[honest hill]

that's all that matters right?

clear

[bronze plume]

Got me fucked up if ya think im building endmin anyway

[dawn patrol]

i mean it's tc so

[drifting quest]

if this were not theorycrafting chat

sure

[honest hill]

yeah clearing isn't enough

even tho this game is very easy

[dawn patrol]

tc the optimal way to make buldak noodles i'm hella hungry

[honest hill]

[bronze plume]

Can it clear my depression?

[honest hill]

[bronze plume]

Is it ardelia?

[drifting quest]

if we only cared about clear there's no purpose for this channel

[dawn patrol]

rossi is there so maybe

[next helm]

You can TC the worst team

[chilly bolt]

Tc = t credit

[dawn patrol]

fluorite solo

[brisk pecan]

okay

hear me out

[honest hill]

if u P5 rossi for sure

[brisk pecan]

xaihi main dps

[chilly bolt]

Xaihi oblivion

[honest hill]

ur wallet might not be happy

[bronze plume]

8f i wanted the throw money away to clear my depression i would buy a lambo

[gritty briar]

i think i've suffered enough for this one

[dawn patrol]

you ain't have enough for a lambo

[chilly bolt]

Is discord having a stroke

[dawn patrol]

yes

[honest hill]

it was ye

[gritty briar]

discord took 5 seconds to send that message

[bronze plume]

You highly underestimate my life then

[honest hill]

it still is wtf

[dawn patrol]

discord servers are blowing up

[dawn patrol]

cars depreciate, buy a house or something

[honest hill]

my message went red 💀

[bronze plume]

Never underestimate the power that is the sueing the government fucking over medical stuff

[honest hill]

discord might eos

[bronze plume]

I have one now what

[dawn patrol]

second house

[bronze plume]

Discord can we lock tf in

[honest hill]

do you have a wife

[dawn patrol]

become a l*ndlord

[bronze plume]

Accurate

[bronze plume]

Hell nah

[next helm]

Become some of the most vile people on earth

[brisk pecan]

invest in rare metals or smth

[next helm]

😩

[dawn patrol]

i wish you could legally hunt l*ndlords for sport and if you win you get to keep the house

[bronze plume]

Imma invest in doge coin

[honest hill]

learn how to make a chair and sit on it

ur depression will go away from doing that trust

[bronze plume]

4 pieces of wood some nails a hammer and a plank

[dawn patrol]

i mean this but like unironically, woodworking sounds like a nice hobby

[honest hill]

it is

satisfying and relaxing

[honest hill]

it's more than that

[bronze plume]

2 planks

[gritty briar]

is discord fixed?

[honest hill]

yes

[dawn patrol]

actually since it doesn't have a back it'd be a stool

🤓

[bronze plume]

Dis mf

[honest hill]

Beef wants a stool not a chair

[bronze plume]

I dont need more chairs

My life is eother

[drifting quest]

technically a stool is a chair as well, depending on your definition of chair

[bronze plume]

Making food, playing video games, learning to walk

[honest hill]

build a wife

[bronze plume]

The big 3 fr

[bronze plume]

I have one

I dont need 2

[honest hill]

an ai wife

[bronze plume]

Hell nah

[honest hill]

one that takes care of ur depression

[dawn patrol]

you need to add woodworking to this list

[honest hill]

the other wife cooks

[bronze plume]

I cook

[honest hill]

well

[bronze plume]

I am the cook thats my 1 thing bruh

[honest hill]

idk then

[brisk pecan]

you're your own wife???

[bronze plume]

Can i add gambling instead

[honest hill]

are u saying that's all ur good for?

[dawn patrol]

bro thinks he's in the bear or sum

[bronze plume]

Naur ive heard im funny

[honest hill]

also beef are u ur own wife

[chilly bolt]

I cook because i dont trust people's cooking

[honest hill]

I mean

[bronze plume]

What does that mean

[dawn patrol]

i cook bc i'm POOR

(lie)

[next helm]

A man who is my wife

[honest hill]

it means u cook clean do laundry like a housewife does for urself

[bronze plume]

I have a women who is my wife

[dawn patrol]

beef could be a househusband

like that's also a thing yk

[bronze plume]

No tf i cant

[honest hill]

househusband

[bronze plume]

You lack critical information

I have 1 leg

[dawn patrol]

i'm saying hypothetically

as in househusbands are in fact real

[bronze plume]

I just cook cuz i like it

[next helm]

In the big 2026

most people do chores

[dawn patrol]

not cooking bc you're poor in the big 26

[next helm]

as you need 2 jobs so you split the rest with your partner

[bronze plume]

You lack critical information

[honest hill]

most ppl don't cook cuz no time

[bronze plume]

I have all the time i need

[next helm]

most is a big word

[dawn patrol]

have you considered getting a sick ass prosthetic

[gritty briar]

no way you're just like vulcan from arknights

[dawn patrol]

like some cyberpunk type stuff

[honest hill]

okay then u cook

[bronze plume]

Tldr government fuck up pay me x amount rest of life dependong on y amount of living cost

Me gucci

Me cook cuz me like it

[honest hill]

cooking is cheaper yeah

[dawn patrol]

ehhhhhhhhhh

[honest hill]

than buying food online all the time

[dawn patrol]

it depends

[honest hill]

and healthier

[dawn patrol]

on where you live etc

[honest hill]

what if

ur an american

[bronze plume]

Money is not a promboem for the beefster

[dawn patrol]

but spelling apparently is

[bronze plume]

Its 6:30am

Im using my phone

[dawn patrol]

ok it's 4:30 for me cro

[bronze plume]

I have medical problems

Shush

[honest hill]

phone has autocorrect

[bronze plume]

Aussie?

[dawn patrol]

you don't even type with your legs smh

what's that got to do with it

[drifting quest]

insomnia sucks so much

[bronze plume]

I dknt have 2 of those

[drifting quest]

i pity you all

[bronze plume]

Ew

[bronze plume]

I dont have insomnia

[drifting quest]

i keep asking for stronger medication for mine and keep getting told no

[bronze plume]

Well

[drifting quest]

[bronze plume]

Naur i dont

[honest hill]

are people born with insomnia

[drifting quest]

no mine developed later in life

[dawn patrol]

i did sleep for like 3 hours so we good

[bronze plume]

I went to sleep at like

Lunch time and woke up at midnight

[honest hill]

ur own fault or something else

[drifting quest]

stress + depression and then it never went away even when the causes did

[honest hill]

so life caused it

[dawn patrol]

yeah i'm in melbourne it sucks /s

[bronze plume]

Fucking aussies

How was the emus

L

[dawn patrol]

i'm vietnamese cro i just live here

[bronze plume]

You still lost to a bird

[dawn patrol]

interesting

[bronze plume]

Actually are emus birds

[dawn patrol]

yes

[bronze plume]

W

Just feed it bird seed

[gritty briar]

birds strong

[bronze plume]

So is a ford f150

[dawn patrol]

medication doesn't help?

[drifting quest]

no

[dawn patrol]

americans

[drifting quest]

at least not the stuff they'll actually give me

[bronze plume]

It does but then it gets weaker for you then u need steonger then they dont give you stronger

[drifting quest]

im too young for the real stuff because it can be addictive and/or cause other health complications

[bronze plume]

Thats how lots of it goes

[dawn patrol]

rip i just take melatonin and zinc and it helps a little

[gritty briar]

i dont think i'd want a fight against any creature in australia
not surprised they got beaten by bird

[drifting quest]

ive tried every more natural remedy going, melatonin, various herbs, yada yada

[bronze plume]

They give me the real stuff because