theorycrafting

[dry kindle]

i dont wanna keep playing deadlock

[drifting quest]

its about exactly as i said

no preload, looking like it will cause issues on patch day

likely 1.2+ we get preloads

[bronze plume]

no preload is goofy af

[drifting quest]

yeah

its hard to tell if we're allowed to download during the maint

[bronze plume]

i wanna know what they are doing over on the ef side of things bro

[drifting quest]

based on wording

Once the update is complete, you will need to re-download the game client. Due to the large download size, we recommend that you download the update using a stable Wi-Fi connection.
implies that we might not be able to download until after maint ends, but I think it's just misleading wording

How to Update
After maintenance for the version update begins, you can follow the in-game instructions to proceed with the update.
makes it seem like we can dl early

seems to be the wuwa angle too where size means people will have to delete it and reinstall the entire thing

[bronze plume]

full reinstall

\seems so ass

[outer ermine]

pls no

[drifting quest]

29GB spare for IOS
26GB spare for Android
85GB spare for PS and PC

final sizes are 9/6/37 GB

20/20/48GB requires extra for extraction

[unreal light]

Do we discuss datamine here?

[unreal light]

Damn

[drifting quest]

as long as its official files only and spoiler tagged its allowed

[unreal light]

What are the Tangtang essence stats?

[oak vigil]

Theory crafting of how badly new GBs patch will brick my disc drive

[drifting quest]

||AGI/ATK/DETONATE|| in 1.0, stc as always

[unreal light]

I’m willing to sacrifice my disk space

[drifting quest]

i might have to move endfield off my ssd

[unreal light]

If the game will flow as a fast river

[drifting quest]

old pc didnt buy a replacement ssd before prices became ridiculous so i lack the ssd space

[unreal light]

Cause rn it’s very underwhelming

How much the prices raised in your country?

[drifting quest]

1tb internal from a reputable brand with slightly older specs can be about $150-200 from Amazon

because my pc is old i then have to further find one that's motherboard compatible or replace my motherboard

so the prices then add up quite a bit more

[soft trout]

human's theory crafting are really advanced...

[dry kindle]

gg

i got a 4tb the like week before they went to shit

[neat snow]

Me too

[unreal light]

Ty, prefarmed. Why is she ||detonate|| tho?

[drifting quest]

||Arts burst i assume||

[unreal light]

:(

Mom can we have fluorite

We have fluorite at home

[proud vector]

It’s going to end up being Flourite BIS somehow

And it’s going to be hilarious if it actually makes Flourite competitive lmfao

[soft trout]

Horny monster?!??!

lowk i hope there's maindps nature

so i can use fluo

[glass birch]

That could very well be the case as long as the detonate doesnt give cryo dmg%

If its arts dmg% then it'll work for fluorite

Or Bs dmg

[proud vector]

I was thinking it would be teamwide support even

[cinder oxide]

PSA: Don’t trade with the stockade outpost for ~24h before patch 1.1; You’ll get a head start on farming outpost prosperity once the patch starts to get to lvl 3 outpost faster

[proud vector]

O

Good tip

[glass birch]

That's only if it requires the same stuff as out previous outpost. Theres a good chance it'll require LC batteries and then the new SC batteries at lv2

Unless you mean the current one

[cinder oxide]

Current one

How would you even stock bills in a new one lmao

[glass birch]

I meant like trading at the new aic location

Im running on like no sleep (The norm at this point)

[soft trout]

When patch releases 1.1 again

[glass birch]

12th

5 days

[soft trout]

mm money

I'll just stack at the last 3days

[cinder oxide]

Oh quick update

Stop trading 3 days b4

The outpost needs like 3 days to fill

[soft trout]

I have like 694k rn

[cinder oxide]

Idk what’s the exact hours need to go from empty to full

But its minimum 3 days

[soft trout]

cause I'm pissy about spending my batteries

[glass birch]

69 hours (I dont know. Just want to be funny)

[outer ermine]

[proud vector]

Three days till datamine though

That’s pog

[oblique frost]

Should I P5 Lifeng’s or Pog’s sig

[drifting quest]

if you're 100% definitely going to do one of them even if it's a waste then like

lifengs

one of the better weapons to get potentials on (assuming p3 lifeng) and has a better banner than nr too iirc

[drifting quest]

we're gonna get scraps of info like an hour before the patch goes live anyway

[proud vector]

kit numbers maybe

Weapon effects maybe

Good stuffs

[drifting quest]

point was just that it's essentially useless to datamine for 1.1 stuff so anyone who does decide to do it would be looking for 1.2 stuff

[oblique frost]

(Cuz only 2 left)

[vernal ore]

Ok so starting Monday stop selling stuff to my Wuling outpost…

[drifting quest]

minmaxxing bp or what

[summer flicker]

to level up the outpost as soon as the patch drop

[drifting quest]

did they confirm levels

[summer flicker]

unsure but there prolly be level up cuz/new outpost cuz 2 new region

[drifting quest]

fair

[lyric latch]

They confirmed levels for 1.2 but not 1.1

[summer flicker]

[tight haven]

im pretty sure qingbo lv3 is coming this patch no?

or is that lv3 for the depot and monitoring site only

[drifting quest]

I mean being stuck at the same outpost level with what double xiranite income would be brutal

80k battery 80k component stock

[vernal ore]

I suspect so bc it would be REALLY silly not to

Esp since the entire storyline is about the stockade

So at least 1 lv makes sense

But yea we’re def not getting any more outposts till 1.2

[fierce nest]

are we gonna get new ore spots or only ore spots in qingbo stockade?
does that mean tangtang is hoarding all the new mining sites but cant mine it coz she doesnt have the machinery to do it?

[vernal ore]

Only new spots will be in the new areas tho this update will probably let us raise Wuling’s lv to the point that we may get some new veins in old spots

[drifting quest]

increased purity potentially but not increased quantity

[tight haven]

theyd probably announce if we were getting a new outpost so yeah

[drifting quest]

for old areas

[tight haven]

just new qingbo lv in 1.1

i suspect new outpost will be 1.2 as well

[smoky quarry]

Screw outpost

I want depot and stock levels

[summer flicker]

i want more artificer

[tight haven]

artificing economy is hopefully gonna improve in 1.1

[smoky quarry]

imagine if they lift artifice discount at some point

pain

[tight haven]

most likely will unless hg does something fucked up and evil

like readjusting artificing core prices

[smoky quarry]

60 artifices weekly ain't bad

[tight haven]

ehh

its serviceable

my artificing luck has been unbelievably shit though ill admit

i hit 40 pity twice and 20 pity three times to date

[outer ermine]

u and striker have like the worst artif luck ive seen

[tight haven]

its sooooo bad

i even bumrushed wuling bro

[smoky quarry]

do you find good matches when it's possible?

[tight haven]

hit wuling lv6 on day 3

💔

[outer ermine]

gotta nerf whels somehow

[tight haven]

didnt touch discount cores bc i wanted as much long-term gain as possible

trve...

[drifting quest]

didnt speedrun hard enough

ive bought out all the perma ones despite buying all 60k and 120k ones each week

[dawn patrol]

^

[outer ermine]

this was like a week into the game, all discounts b4 perma

[summer flicker]

i wish the real price is that

and raise the limit too

😭

[tight haven]

oh yeah no i bought all of them now

but it took me until last week to do so

cuz i was also stocking up on essence permits

which i didnt even have to if datamines are true lmao

[dawn patrol]

they need to let me make more money and add more catalysts to the shop

my greed needs to be biblical

[smoky quarry]

We are not artifcing without discounts

1.2m for 1

[tight haven]

i hope in 1.1 we get 100+ per week

please

pleaseeeee

[outer ermine]

[summer flicker]

it took a week to get lik what, 8m 😭

[tight haven]

but yea im gonna stop feeding qingbo anything

3 days before the patch starting tomorrow

[dawn patrol]

you can stop feeding on monday

[tight haven]

oh is it monday

right yeah maints on thurs in NA

[dawn patrol]

yeah 3 days before is monday

[tight haven]

yep

forgor we have like

one day without any banners

or whatever

wait no

nvm i forgot "3d" really means "3d##h"

[drifting quest]

yeah

[dawn patrol]

yeah

[tight haven]

yvonne go away 🙏

[glass birch]

No, tangtang go away

[tight haven]

shhh

[smoky quarry]

I'm waiting for liberi

[tight haven]

rossi will get her turn

[smoky quarry]

That's gonna be long wait

[tight haven]

ok it is gonna be so fucking funny

if 1.1 is the bait patch with the comic relief fan faves

[summer flicker]

i hope i get spook with p1 yvonne

[dawn patrol]

i need her here yesterday but at least i get time to stock up on more pulls

[tight haven]

and then 1.2 is just powercreep wonderland

[summer flicker]

to be able to use tangtang ult as pure qol

[tight haven]

with lizhiyan/mifu and fangyi

[icy remnant]

Bro I hate this unit so much

[dawn patrol]

i would have to kms

[drifting quest]

dont manifest this

😭

[summer flicker]

we dont even finish team lmao, pwc not that fast lul

[tight haven]

unbelievably common lifeng L

my boy has the worst animations in this game

[dawn patrol]

if it happens i'm actually going to pin it all on you enion

you will be our ritual sacrifice to appease the gods

[tight haven]

sorry for being an hg employee

😞

[outer ermine]

death by full pity

[tight haven]

NOOOOOOOOO

[icy remnant]

They really don’t need power creep to sell

[tight haven]

dude i had it so good in 1.0

[vernal ore]

SAME!

[tight haven]

landed yvonne and gilb as offbanners so i was -1 copy on p5ing each of them

[icy remnant]

If they wanted power creep to be a strong factor they wouldn’t have made the timers 10 minutes

[tight haven]

tangtang is actually gonna take me like 500

i just know it

[tight haven]

they could always be doing the r1999 thing

make strong chars but never make the mandatory content too hard

only add "difficult" challenge content

(it's still trivial with maxed chars)

[dawn patrol]

trims now require all 4 of the newest chars at p5p5

[icy remnant]

Phys team will probably always be able to clear without much difficulty

[drifting quest]

honeymoon period is over so i cant grab both tt and rossi

[icy remnant]

Cus that’s the team everyone has for free

[summer flicker]

if phys, -99% dmg

[drifting quest]

one has to be the sacrifice

[tight haven]

if they start making cc-esque content that requires jank ass ops as solutions id be so down

[summer flicker]

[icy remnant]

I can
I saved

[summer flicker]

rossi

[outer ermine]

then nerf it after a few days gatekeep early trims

[tight haven]

like unironically needing to field snowshine because you need specifically her solidification and healing

[icy remnant]

Fang yi doesn’t seem that interesting for me

I like Tang Tang

[drifting quest]

sp doesnt regen naturallly but you get 1000 sp total at the start

fluorite gaming

[tight haven]

tt does seem to just have more longevity

olden stare being an omni-freeze is a unique niche

rossi has inflict > vuln but that doesnt have any applications atp

[icy remnant]

Cryo affliction and debuff spam always gonna end up useful somewhere

[tight haven]

yeah just seems like rossi got the short end of the stick this patch

[summer flicker]

tangtang dps

[tight haven]

maybe ill end up eating my words though who knows

[summer flicker]

slap artzy, and mi security on tangtang

[tight haven]

they just give rossi laev-tier sustained dps

[honest hill]

at P5 for sure

[summer flicker]

clueless

[dawn patrol]

actually rossi is going to do one rossillion damage and break the game

[summer flicker]

at p0

im broke

[outer ermine]

~~ill do it for u ~~

[honest hill]

fix urself

[summer flicker]

im brrok,e and im going for both tangtang and rossi

[drifting quest]

its going to be so funny

[summer flicker]

😭 😭

[drifting quest]

when rossi is broken because of something missed

[outer ermine]

whelll 105k wtf

[summer flicker]

i only bp and ml

low spender 😭

[icy remnant]

I haven’t rolled on limited banners yet

I rerolled for Laev and that’s it

Did the free tickets

I have 30 pity right now lined up for TangTang

[outer ermine]

how lucky were u w gil+yvonne and sigs tho to still have 100k

[summer flicker]

tangtang and rossi could bankrupt me

[summer flicker]

40 rolls total (20 exclusive)

[outer ermine]

wait didnt u offrate i swear u get yvonne mega eatly

[summer flicker]

yes

[edgy crater]

wtf hifumi become yvonne worshippers

[summer flicker]

the 4 rolls incident

[outer ermine]

damn

[summer flicker]

[outer ermine]

[icy remnant]

Why did u even roll for Yvonne’s sig tho

Wedge being available for everyone

[summer flicker]

asthetic, and 10% is 10%

[icy remnant]

The 10% that goes to zero because Wedge is in every banner

[edgy crater]

btw, whats rossie theoretical team again?
ange rossie pog X (?)

[icy remnant]

And p5 it overtime

[summer flicker]

counter point: i have no wedge

[drifting quest]

there's a bunch you'd have to specify

[edgy crater]

assuming u wanna do hypercarry rossie

[summer flicker]

rossi solo

[edgy crater]

[dawn patrol]

if you play solo all her mults are 10000%

[edgy crater]

w8, she technically can

[dawn patrol]

no inflict for cs

or wait ult yeah

i keep forgetting ult gets you a paltry 1 heat inflict

[edgy crater]

tho whos eating vuln stack?

[summer flicker]

it just exist

[dawn patrol]

they're there to look pretty

[summer flicker]

[edgy crater]

4/4 vuln do nothing

[drifting quest]

rossi gilb (antal/wulf/ard/perlica/etc)x2

[edgy crater]

[dawn patrol]

fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk get gilb OUT of there i don't have her

[drifting quest]

hc rossi you just use it to fuel gilb ult dont care to eat it

[edgy crater]

w8 no sp battery?

[dawn patrol]

i hope gilb fucking sucks with rossi just out of spite

[drifting quest]

ake and even alesh sometimes are usable

depends if ake link buffs rossi ult properly or not

[edgy crater]

oh if ake link buff entire ulti or just 1st hit?

[summer flicker]

rossi ult doesnt seems to be a enhanced state

it just a ult with multiple hi t

[dawn patrol]

should buff the entire ult methinks

[drifting quest]

i dont see why it wouldnt buff it properly

but im not going to make an assumption baselessly

[summer flicker]

i have all char in the game rn - laev

[dawn patrol]

channel banned for offtopic

[honest hill]

guys this is a TC channel

[vernal ore]

Yea sadly had to skip her bc I was worried about having enough for Yvonne but then shortly before Gil left realized I had enough to guarantee both so went for her for Yvonne

Ok!

[drifting quest]

we got the blessing to continue using tc as always

as in no excessive off topic, some is allowed
make sure questions get answered

nothing that breaks other rules

yada yada

[dawn patrol]

yeah i was just jonkling

[drifting quest]

i sent a modmail about some of the other issues so hopefully that leads to something productive

[dawn patrol]

i'm still waiting for my mod app results

[drifting quest]

going to be really awkward when mods 'randomly' start appearing and we have to pretend to not know who they are

[summer flicker]

maybe you alr got accepted and is duoing mod

[dawn patrol]

you'd never know

[edgy crater]

mod in disguise

[icy remnant]

Discord mod employment moment

[honest hill]

mid

[unreal light]

Who are they

You know they might use disguises to divert the attention

Some mod that talks about limbus company or about bb tt

Or about how the fastest rhodagn record team doesn’t really work

[drifting quest]

writing styles are just pretty distinct

consequence of existing members becoming mods really

will be something for them to figure out

[summer flicker]

[glass birch]

Denied

[summer flicker]

if you see mods spam alot of emote, its can be me

or not

clueless

[unreal light]

Could you define them?

I mean I can’t really distinct your writing style

You prob use abbreviations a lot

smh gng iirc

[summer flicker]

[daring dove]

[glass birch]

Striker doxxing themselves

[unreal light]

Yeah whenever a mod says a word about ember

Your main will be spammed down you know

[drifting quest]

Depends on who you're talking about

But its hard to explain in a non autistic way

[daring dove]

Seriously though why do we care about mods so much, just don’t be toxic an you’ll be alright.

[dawn patrol]

why not explain it in an autistic way

[unreal light]

Proceed in autistic please

[drifting quest]

So like my own is a lot of sporadic single line messages usually

Then when I write longer stuff it becomes very like academic report writing style at times

[summer flicker]

or like me who usually type a sentence

and then

emote

[drifting quest]

Other people have like quirks

In how its written

[dawn patrol]

i feel like people's writing styles overlap enough to make them hard to distinguish

[glass birch]

Essentially everyone has certain habits they tend to use when speaking and that will sometimes bleed over into text formats when chatting/textinf

[dawn patrol]

[unreal light]

I believe there was a web comic about web users and their quirks

[dawn patrol]

like my hero academia?

[unreal light]

Yeah but not gay

[glass birch]

Yeah. Yours is very visible. Have you tried looking in the mirror? It'll shatter instantly

[Sarcasm]

[dawn patrol]

didn't know i could shatter mirrors with my mind

[unreal light]

Try applying phys

[dawn patrol]

my quirk is just that i make really unfunny jokes

and i don't know how to spell apparently jfc

[glass birch]

Was gonna say; if that was your work then youre a shitty comedian

[dawn patrol]

i mean hey if it makes money

[unreal light]

Does it?

[dawn patrol]

not yet but maybe one day

[edgy elk]

guys how does corro ramping work?
ik it starts at (min) and goes to (max) in 10 seconds. linear ramp? or what

[drifting quest]

it's linear yes

[edgy elk]

(min)+(time)(max-min)*0.1, 0 > time ≥ 10?

coolio

[tawny spindle]

do we know what essense is bis for tangtang's weapon, brigand's calling?

[drifting quest]

we have a datamine from 1.0, but it is naturally subject to change on live

said datamine was ||agi/atk/detonate||
up to you if you want to try prefarm it but I wouldn't etch it even if you do for obvious reasons

[tawny spindle]

gotcha, okay yeah that's what I saw another post say so makes sense where they got that from

[drifting quest]

given there's a guaranteed 3/3 essence maker in 1.1 that should be available on release, there's less incentive to grind it out

[tawny spindle]

eh I'd rather save it for when I really really need it (I'll probably keep it forever lmao)

i need a shit ton of trash essenses for etching anyways

[timber harness]

Tisms?

[noble tapir]

Alright chat, do I get my non-ult skills to 9 first or start working on getting my Xaihi to ER+masteries first. I'm probably not playing Yvonne till after Tangtang is built either way.

Well either Tangtang is built or Alesh, I guess, but I'm not building Alesh until I know for sure how tangtang does in that slot

[hollow wyvern]

There's no such thing as building alesh

He's basically peak performance if he's breathing and holding thermite

Ig slap on frontier

[noble tapir]

I mean yeah, but I'm not going to leave him level 1

iirc one of his skills is at least worth getting to rank 6

CS I think

Since you don't use bs anyway

Either way it's moot if Tangtang isn't complete trash

[hollow wyvern]

I would at least get used to playing Yvonne, in case you don't like the gameplay at all

The only real diff with tt is the cc

[unreal light]

His ult does somewhat aoe damage

When you need to clear some dungeon

[chilly bolt]

Basic to sl9 and bs to sl9, combo is worthless, after that im not sure if going for basic M3 is worth it

I mean if you're gonna M9 Yvonne then it doesn't matter

[hollow wyvern]

maybe in future, rn no dungeon needs that much aoe dmg

[unreal light]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-sus-dwayne-the-cow-johnson-cow-cow-eyebrow-cow-suspicious-gif-27165701

[hollow wyvern]

I kill all trash mobs every dungeon with gilb suck + yvonne skill + double combo (if they're even still alive)

[outer ermine]

[hollow wyvern]

then a precast xaihi skill into another yvonne skill right after if it has elite, to kill them too

if really big bois like that cat I might cast yvonne ult, only for it to die before final strike

that's all I do really

[noble tapir]

Nah, I'm not going that far right now, too expensive lol

[hollow wyvern]

maybe it's p1 diff (2 extra procs), but I've been noticing that her combo pulses aren't too shabby

can kill an overworld mob with pulses alone

I can kill 2 groups, first group dying to yvonne skill lob (after succ), second group to gilb and yvonne combos

[chilly bolt]

Add in lr and you have the premium cryo team

[hollow wyvern]

with the full ult charge every dungeon + tt, it's gonna be even more obscene

0 sp cost triple spout for dmg

surely that wipes out an entire wave by itself

too much mobbing at that point tbh

but I can still freely cast yvonne ult every stage too

overkill

I'm just saving my 2x reward tickets these days, since it really doesn't save much time

gonna save them when I do farms that take longer like essences

[chilly bolt]

I only use them on boss stage

240 sanity dump is crazy

[hollow wyvern]

I haven't found reason to farm boss stage

are they more efficient than the 80 stages?

or is it just to dump faster

[hasty grail]

Feels like same efficiency

[drifting quest]

nothing

[jaunty pecan]

essences don't take long tho.. assuming all your allowed turrets are at those locations

[hollow wyvern]

in v4 I have a few turrets for meat farming, so kinda limited there

even in wuling, essence grind takes longer than dungeons tbh

[drifting quest]

most essence farms have safe zones to afk at

or you can put down a heal tower and afk inside it

[hollow wyvern]

I tried the heal tower once

doesn't seem to work? you gotta click it to heal?

I know of the pipe wall + heal tower thing, but I don't think heal tower auto heals?

[drifting quest]

ive never tried i just sit in the safe zones that dont need one

so

[hollow wyvern]

for wuling it's annoying to hop up the place for safe zone

and even then I don't think it's 100% safe from some attacks from the big bois

[honest hill]

u use the pipes to create a safe zone

put two med towers near you

[drifting quest]

this is pipeless stuff

there's just places you can stand and afk

[honest hill]

I didn't know

[hollow wyvern]

how do they work? last I tried they don't auto heal at all

[drifting quest]

where enemies either dont path to / cant path to / get stunlocked before they ever reach you

obvious one is the boxes in the science park

you can jump up on them and afk there

[honest hill]

u have to be in the range of it plus they need electricity they heal you constantly

[hollow wyvern]

how much do they heal

hmm

prob still too annoying

I clean up entire setup once I'm done

resetting up pipes also annoying

[honest hill]

idk I don't count but it's annoying when u go against the big two enemies

[hollow wyvern]

that's a problem

those are the only threats

[honest hill]

set up beam towers or something

[hollow wyvern]

I use the snipers

seem to do more dps against wuling mobs

but still takes a while

[honest hill]

yeah

[drifting quest]

if its wuling you can like

put down any building to block the stairs

and afk on them

just have an extra tower or two near the stairs for any that path outside and idle by the stairs

[hollow wyvern]

for wuling I put a thermal bank on one of the dishes, then jump up ontop of the doorway

but the big guys still hit me with their puddle attacks

[lilac bloom]

i saw someone say tangtang wont be worthwhile unless she has 20% arts vuln but idk if thats true? she lowkey feels like a cryo chen with supportive effects

i feel like with 16-18% or even like 12% her personal damage might make up for any gap like that

[drifting quest]

that alone is a useless statement

CNbros have her speculative at 24% suscept though

but it really depends on her personal damage

and the exact energy cost / sp refund / combo cd

[honest hill]

so similar to arde susc

[drifting quest]

should be equal without inc p1 ard

assuming m3 tt in trailer

[honest hill]

interesting

I hope the jump from lv 9 to M3 is worth

[near robin]

Assuming with her sig on I suppose? I don't think I'll be able to get hers

[honest hill]

I hope her sig is actually good

[honest hill]

her sig provides arts dmg taken when u consume corrosion

[near robin]

Corrosion

[honest hill]

arde sig I mean

arts susc and arts dmg taken are two different things I think

[near robin]

I mean tangtang's

[honest hill]

idk pray it's supportive

[gritty briar]

i thought you guys were talking about tangtang and was very confused about the corrosion thing

[honest hill]

well I was talking about arde too

since tt should be similar

[hollow wyvern]

I wouldn't bet on it

all indications for tt sig are it gives herself cryo buff when she applies cryo app

from vid icons, and also lines up with leeks

[honest hill]

oh ic

I mean her kit arts susc should be similar to arde

[hollow wyvern]

hopefully yeah

I'm still coping on bp being support, but no way they make bp better than sig, so it's prob pure self-dps

[honest hill]

idk the diff between arts susc arts dmg taken say cryo dmg dealt

[honest hill]

yes I think so

dps tt

trust

[hollow wyvern]

inb4 both bp and sig are dps-based, but her dmg doo-doo

[honest hill]

I hope not

that would be stupid

ppl would skip wep

and put obj on her call it a day

[grand lagoon]

if she is dps, isnt it instant skip especially yvonne exist,

so not sure hypergryph gonna mislook that part

[honest hill]

she is support/sub dps

maybe more into support but idk

[grand lagoon]

like perlica but cryo

[honest hill]

if u watched the dev log they used her alongside yvonne to help yvonne

[grand lagoon]

[honest hill]

something like that maybe like a cryo wulfgard?

[grand lagoon]

butbut wulfgard is 80% used naked (so his damage is non existent)

[honest hill]

I mean yeah

[grand lagoon]

most ppl use lv61 wulf, full support, even 4* ult eff weap

skill lv1

[honest hill]

we'll have to see what her sig will do

if it's dps oriented ppl will use obj and call it a day

[drifting quest]

Lifeng/Perlica is a good approximation

Subdps that can do maindps stuff

[grand lagoon]

cant justify the need to pull for 6* , but its tt

only for simp
definitely

[drifting quest]

Potential buff slave or can run buff set and do personal damage

[honest hill]

I am pulling tt for lr team

plus I am too close to pity

[near robin]

[grand lagoon]

tf is that link

[honest hill]

[grand lagoon]

[remote fern]

What’s the gear loadout for Sundered Prince Ember?

I don’t have sig

[drifting quest]

oh

new scam

fresh change

[drifting quest]

depends if you're doing dps ember or support, what the rest of the team is, gear on said units, what content you want to build for

[honest hill]

dps ember uses exemplar right

[drifting quest]

can

sundered is usually picked for stagger stuff

if you're fielding her

if she's sidelined for another fielded unit and only does ult/combo/occasional skill then exemplar is a consideration instead

[gritty briar]

Do people pick her and then play her off field? I thought her basics were a big part of the appeal

[honest hill]

I did see solo ember triag trimmed time w exemplar

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah weapon choice does not matter that much

[honest hill]

yeah doesn't seem to matter much for her

[remote fern]

Stagger build

[drifting quest]

swordmancer

[daring dove]

Sundered gets further ahead with potentials over exemplar, but for most people they'll just use whatver they get. Both at P0 outside of stagger Exemplar could be argued better.

[honest hill]

yeah w pots sure but idt many ppl will have pots on their 6*

[gritty briar]

i went for sundered over exemplar just cause it felt more future proof
cause of the pots that i'll get for it eventually and cause it provides stagger instead of just damage

well for my catcher

even though exemplar would be nicer for me right now

[daring dove]

Yeah if you're going to invest the resources into making a weapon level 90 & maxing out its essence future potential should be at least a decent consideration.

[fickle knot]

Is rossi bad in physical team?

[gritty briar]

For me it was which one to get from my crates, so knowing that i won't be sad if i get dupes for it affect my decision a lot

cause if i select a weapon and then get a dupe of it shortly after and the pots aren't good, i'll just end up regretting

[valid zealot]

Gotta see the numbers but potential is low.

[daring dove]

Remains to be seen.

[valid zealot]

[daring dove]

I think Rossi wants a PHY member on her team be that Pog or Endmin. But she doesn't really want a full PHY team at first glance.

But we'll know more once she's in-game with proper MV numbers.

[warm galleon]

Rossi a must at 1.4 trust

[valid zealot]

She's with Gilb.

More vulns more buff from sig.

[daring dove]

You can get even more vulnerability by removing the stacks with Pog to be honest.

Since he allows you to use Gilberta & Ardelia + Rossi in the same team.

[valid zealot]

Uhh

What are we on.

[honest hill]

she will make her own team

[honest hill]

it's weird but I get it tryna get away from mono teams

[daring dove]

To be honest Rossi is a big question mark for me. Plenty of potential but all depends on her personal damage. Because she needs to carry the type of teams she looks interesting on.

[honest hill]

she needs to carry really hard

[drifting quest]

doesnt need much to be playable

needs a lot to be optimal

[honest hill]

btw

when tt comes out

we still control LR in LR team rite

and run xiranite set

[daring dove]

Someone was saying you need to control LR to activate Xaihi's buff, but I haven't looked into it too deeply.

[frozen tide]

You can speed up lr rotations by swapping mainfield its jus tthat

Currently its meaningless due to sp bottleneck

[honest hill]

true

[frozen tide]

Speedkills utilize swaps but that's cause 1 rot timeline

[honest hill]

I mean I will control LR methinks

like I have been doing

[frozen tide]

Lr control also has the advantage of netting more sp than usual from btks

Her btk cycle itself isn't fast but nets a lot of sp

[honest hill]

yeah

plus dash cancel after BATK2 and FS

[frozen tide]

Even with those lr btk cycle isn't fast

Its just good sp gain

And aligns well with cycle as whole

[honest hill]

yeah

I wish they give info on her wep

and other stuff

[drifting quest]

if only

we're getting nothing till patch day

maybe some stuff slightly early if a dataminer downloads fast > shares 1.1 stuff instead of looking for 1.2 stuff

[honest hill]

they could just copy wuwa strat where they show it during livestream and have it on the website as well

[drifting quest]

could yes

[honest hill]

I mean that's not too much to ask

[drifting quest]

i would expect it's something they might do in future

[honest hill]

yeah

[drifting quest]

hypergryph is new to the genre even if some of this is maybe obvious stuff even looking a bit at competitors

[honest hill]

it feels like they haven't done their homework

[daring dove]

I'm personally more interesting in controlling Tangtang to be honest. But I'll need to experiment a lot on what works. I'm considering trying to hybrid team that uses Tangtang / Yvonne / LR / Gilberta so I don't have to worry about the quirks of needing to control LR/Yvonne because of Xaihi's buffs. If it'll actually function as a decent team though I have no idea.

[honest hill]

imagine dps tangtang

[frozen tide]

Might be decent

Since they advertised her dmg

[honest hill]

yeah possible

[honest hill]

it does seem like they're trying to bring back the players that quit but that will prob happen in 1.2/3

[daring dove]

1.1 does seem like a bit of a nothing burger patch to be honest. Not that I expecting anything more. The first patch of a brand new life service game is usually just a QoL fix. We're lucky to be getting at least some new content.

[honest hill]

a nothing burger patch this early is ouch...

[oak vigil]

Okay so far as I am able to understand so far, arts damage dealt%+ on weapon is less effective than atk%+ on weapon, correct?

[drifting quest]

there's no one answer to that question

[oak vigil]

Hmmmm, fair enough lol

[daring dove]

Depends on the totals involved & how sutured DMG% is on the team in question. But a simple estimation is 1% ATK is worth roughly 2.5% DMG.

[midnight stirrup]

They also advertised Rossi and Tangtang in the weirdest teams possible

[honest hill]

Maybe a CN guy will find out

[midnight stirrup]

I wouldnt take it serious

[honest hill]

they're smart

[honest hill]

which team was tt in

[midnight stirrup]

Idr but it was odd

Didnt have Xaihi

[honest hill]

pretty sure it had xaihi

[midnight stirrup]

No it didnt

[honest hill]

let me check

[midnight stirrup]

Actually lemme check

Yeah

Oh it did have Xaihi tf

[honest hill]

yeah

every cryo team is a xaihi team

you can't get rid of her

it's impossible

[midnight stirrup]

You give the devs too much credit with how theyve been cooking

But I guess today they get the pass

[honest hill]

I do think having flourite in the team is meh

but idk about the yv*nne team

I thought she would replace alesh

but if ur gilbertaless she replaces gilberta

[frozen tide]

i assume they are talking based off of multipliers

which also makes me assume tang will have good multipliers

which will make her somewhat decent as a dps

[midnight stirrup]

Shes basically gilberta but cryo

And instead of nature app its cryo app

So yeah replacing gilb makes the most sense since alesh is a free stack

[honest hill]

hm

what does alesh do w his bs cs and ult

[midnight stirrup]

U ignore bs

Ult applies cryo infliction

Combo idk

[honest hill]

what happens to the nature stack

[midnight stirrup]

You start rot with gilb bs yvonne bs

And then its all cryo inflictions

I think

Idk my yvonne shit is still kinda inexperienced

[honest hill]

if there's enough sp for tt then that would mean she replaces alesh

[midnight stirrup]

Doubt it

Not replacing alesh but gilb is more stacks while keeping everything gilb does

On tt instead

[honest hill]

how does yvonne consume the stacks

[midnight stirrup]

Bs to cause solidification

[honest hill]

oh so the number of cryo stacks effects her dmg somehow

idk anything about her

[midnight stirrup]

Uh

Kinda

She deals increased crit dmg hitting solidified enemies

And amount of stacks before solidify does something

Honestly

We rly need infographics

[honest hill]

does solidifcation have levels like corrosion and electrification

[midnight stirrup]

Ok lemme login

[frozen tide]

yes

[midnight stirrup]

She gets increased energy back per stack before solid

While for last rite its damage multiplier and susc

[honest hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825059873150074932/1472755774840246292/togif.gif

[midnight stirrup]

In name of Onion

Schling

Can u make me the most optimal lr yvonne xaihi gilb rot u can make me

Dont need lr to consume anything

She does enough without stacks

[honest hill]

LR will do like no damage

[midnight stirrup]

My lr is p5p5

I beg to differ

[honest hill]

what about ur yvonne

[midnight stirrup]

p0p0

[honest hill]

u might as well not use yvonne

stick to LR

[frozen tide]

💀 kill me

[midnight stirrup]

Ever heard of this thing called fun

[frozen tide]

i can look into it but im not a yvonne guy dont expect too much

[midnight stirrup]

Im trying to have fun

[honest hill]

well

[midnight stirrup]

I know I can focus on LR and clear everything

I did

[honest hill]

there should be YT vids for that

for what ur asking

[midnight stirrup]

With how much im paying u?????

Get into it

[honest hill]

since most ppl don't use LR with Yvonne

[midnight stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-lost-new-york-sigh-alone-gif-24949861

[drifting quest]

getting paid for it

smh

[warped sorrel]

Yv + lr suck right?

[honest hill]

Schling going to spend 7 day straight no sleep to give him the rotation

[drifting quest]

relatively speaking yes

[daring dove]

They do suck, I just think it's sub-optimal like you lose 10-15% damage over not running them together.

[honest hill]

they suck not optimal

[warped sorrel]

understandable

[honest hill]

alesh better

he has access to thermite cutter as well

[warped sorrel]

there is some guy trying to sell yv + lr saying they r good

[drifting quest]

different definitions most likely

we look at things from the minmax/optimal angle

[midnight stirrup]

Its not good

But I like using it more than alesh

[honest hill]

their definition of "good" might be not the same as what we consider is "good"

[midnight stirrup]

And my lr is maxed out so prob compensates for what im missing out on in alesh

[daring dove]

I mean it depends I guess. I can see a world in which they might be good together at silly high levels of investment. An Tangtang may swap up the dynamics a little. But generally speaking there's not a good reason to use them on the same team outside of just wanting to.

[honest hill]

imagine one of tangtang pot increases whirlpool to like 5 idk

[warped sorrel]

Speaking of tangtang her number not out yet right?

[honest hill]

nope

we don't even know what her wep does

but it seems like cryo buff when she applies cryo infliction

[warped sorrel]

It making me insane on people speculation with who would she replace

[drifting quest]

how so

we have good ideas on some of her numbers

the ones that affect rotations

[honest hill]

I think if you don't have gilberta in yvonne team she replaces gilberta otherwise alesh
in LR team she replaces arde

[drifting quest]

we just dont know her personal damage

[warped sorrel]

That's understandable

[drifting quest]

alesh, gilb and xaihi are all potentially on the chopping block

less so xaihi

[warped sorrel]

Im bet she has small number

[drifting quest]

ignoring the idea that tangtang doesnt even make it

[warped sorrel]

sub dps in this game is so small

[honest hill]

Xaihi is safe for a while

[drifting quest]

xaihi is more up for debate in whale shit

[warped sorrel]

I really want to see her susceptibility % tho

[drifting quest]

should be about ~24%

[warped sorrel]

what about it

I have no idea

[honest hill]

tell us more

[drifting quest]

so like

if you're p5p5 on everyone

you dont need shit from xaihi you're already giga overkilling

she's kinda slow

anim wise

so like

why run her atp

[warped sorrel]

I hope it around 10% to piss people off in exchange for her timestop ability

[honest hill]

Oh true

[midnight stirrup]

Raasclat

[drifting quest]

idk where the cutoff is for like p2p0 everyone or p3p3 everyone or etc

[warped sorrel]

I want to know the % difference between p0p0 vs p5p5

In general

[honest hill]

60-70% maybe 80?

[warped sorrel]

Is it mostly from weapon?

holy

[drifting quest]

its not that much for most units

[midnight stirrup]

Lmao

Dream on

[drifting quest]

can be as low as like 20-30%

[midnight stirrup]

My p5p5 lr barely hits higher than p0p0

[warped sorrel]

I thought it is around 20-30%

[midnight stirrup]

This aint hoyo

[drifting quest]

some can be higher

[warped sorrel]

I only know p0p0 vs p5p0

[daring dove]

Laevtain & Yvonne scale a bit better.

[drifting quest]

yvonne for example

gets quite a bit

[quasi quarry]

do you guys prefer the smaller dupe increases, assuming it stays that way

[drifting quest]

yes

or at least

let higher pots be good

[honest hill]

lol

[drifting quest]

but dont make p1 p2 bait pots like hoyo kuro

i dont want part of a units kit locked behind a p1 or p2

[quasi quarry]

I'd prefer if there's no early pot bait even if it makes dupes feel "worse"

[honest hill]

a lot of the P1s that kuro does for WuWa are just QoL like interruption or removing restrictions

[neat snow]

I wouldn't mind pot 5 being quite good

[warped sorrel]

The picture and banner bait for unlocking P is kinda work tho

[quasi quarry]

yeah I think they could afford to make P5s stronger

[warped sorrel]

It very effective on me idk why

[midnight stirrup]

Laevatain didnt scale that well

Yvonne probably

Id say laev is on par with lr outside that p5

[drifting quest]

extra stuff like the glow effect, profile banner, dijiang slideshow

are nice to have for whales

[honest hill]

would be nice if we got titles too

in general

[daring dove]

Laevatain can get quite silly full P5-P5 in AoE content. Dealing a lot more than her P0-P0 counterpart. Just depends on the assunptions & the content at hand.

[warped sorrel]

The rossi p3 is nice idk why
I love that it is funny

[quasi quarry]

i wanna get p5 lae for the profile theme

JessiCry

[warped sorrel]

I dont even know what her p3 do

[quasi quarry]

but it's such a bad decision i dont know how i wanna justify it

[warped sorrel]

bruh p3 and do cant be sit together

[quasi quarry]

I guess depends on how many units I care about pulling in the future

[neat snow]

P5 the most powerful and beautiful unit is not a bad decision

[drifting quest]

only pot i went for was p2 gilb because its so good and i sacked p1 early

[midnight stirrup]

I did say outside p5

Her p1-4 are trash

[warped sorrel]

Potential seem to be more impact for 5star below

[midnight stirrup]

God the moment gilb p2 starts cooking

[quasi quarry]

tell me about it

I want p5 wulfguard so bad

he's only p2

:(

[midnight stirrup]

Imagine not having all 5 stars p5

[quasi quarry]

im missing a few, all of them except wulfguard i dont care about tho

[warped sorrel]

[quasi quarry]

but like he keeps evading me, I think I've gotten p10 chen and alesh atp

[warped sorrel]

I wonder why they dont release new 5star together with 6star like their previous game

[quasi quarry]

I guess I'm glad I have p5 avy and perli for my electric team

[warped sorrel]

Is it pwc control or something

[honest hill]

her P4 allows slab build but that could all change next patch for <P4 users if hotwork chest piece has uge w int str

[quasi quarry]

cause for a 3d gacha it's more costly to create a new character

when arknights is just chibis and sprites, it's way easier to pump out new 5star and 4star

[warped sorrel]

They can still make a shitty one and people will like it tho

idk maybe its better

[honest hill]

quality over quantity

[warped sorrel]

i dont wanna pull new P5 5star to make him/her work with tangtang

[quasi quarry]

i wouldn't

[warped sorrel]

Lastrite dps and Yv dps is not far from eachother right?

[quasi quarry]

I think it's fine the way it is, the 5*s play an important role in teambuilding atm and I think they have nice designs

[warped sorrel]

if they dont release more than we can keep up
Its fine

[honest hill]

they will have 5* but not a lot

they make more money off 6* than 5*

[daring dove]

With normal assumptions no, Yvonne has better scaling with potentials if you're a giga whale.

[warped sorrel]

What if in p0p0 assumptions

[honest hill]

at P0P0 LR better

[warped sorrel]

WHAT

this is very funny

[drifting quest]

at p0p0 yvonne is ahead

with gilb

[honest hill]

[honest hill]

[warped sorrel]

ok yv is dead to me then

[honest hill]

because ur gilbless?

[drifting quest]

tt might make yvonne ahead even w/o gilb

remains to be seen

[warped sorrel]

I do have gilb

[honest hill]

so why is yv dead to you

[warped sorrel]

I just dont want to fall for yv

Gotta create the reason

[honest hill]

I don't like her boring playstyle

[daring dove]

At the end of the day despite how good or bad Yvonne is, there's no argument she is anything but an extremely luxury unit. If you have LR you absolutely don't need her.

[warped sorrel]

I love that her story suck (to me) so i can save my redrock

[honest hill]

her story was good ye

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah but this is every single unit

[warped sorrel]

Understandable

[honest hill]

[drifting quest]

you can clear everything with the free units

[honest hill]

every unit is good if they can clear yeah

[warped sorrel]

Hope they release endgame soon

[daring dove]

It's not really that though LR even pretty much emulates her nuke playstyle with mostly the same teammates.

[honest hill]

umbral don't feel like endgame to me

[daring dove]

She's almost a 1 for 1 replacement.

[drifting quest]

perlica does the same thing and is free

[warped sorrel]

and make sustain unit so good that Pog team is suck to play

[drifting quest]

idg your point

[warped sorrel]

Same
It is like a testing ground or something

[honest hill]

a lil warm up

[warped sorrel]

it is too eazy in general

[honest hill]

there are annoying stages

but they give u 10m

u turn ur brain off

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825059873150074932/1472755774840246292/togif.gif

[midnight stirrup]

the 10m is genuinely bs

like why is it there

u never feel it

etchspace ahh design choice

[honest hill]

in other gacha games they give u 2-3m to clear

[drifting quest]

better too long than too little

[warped sorrel]

i mostly die and have to reset due to habit of being force to clear fast by some familiar game in the gacha market

[honest hill]

there's no incentive to learn rotations in the game

[midnight stirrup]

too little is good

puts a challenge on things

[honest hill]

or learn how to play ur team in general

u just unga bunga clear within 10m

[midnight stirrup]

this is why they gotta bring mmos back

u actually had to learn docs of movesets of bosses to beat it with the party

[drifting quest]

real rewards should be easily accessed

[warped sorrel]

Rotation in this game feel so good to learn and actually execute it
Like Pog team

[drifting quest]

maybe give some extra stuff for clear time

tcreds or whatnot

[honest hill]

I'm fine w the participation rewards

[warped sorrel]

But you dont have to do it
It doesn't matter
Which is kinda suck

[midnight stirrup]

i think the way wuwa and hoyo handle it

works fine

for real rewards

[drifting quest]

if they make it like hoyo and wuwa

i would quit

lmao

[midnight stirrup]

whats the point of investing

[warped sorrel]

Actually same..

[midnight stirrup]

if u dont have a challenge to use it for

[drifting quest]

i dont want to have to pull the new unit every few patchs

[midnight stirrup]

tbf

[drifting quest]

because they are giga shilled and the units i like are forced out

[midnight stirrup]

that didnt happen to genshin for 5 years

[drifting quest]

it definitely did happen

even 2.x genshin abyss

had shill to it

it wasnt as bad as it is now for sure

[midnight stirrup]

u could beat everything up till 6.0 with anything

[warped sorrel]

If the Endgame only give like 1 basic headhunting i would still be happy to actually try to clear it

[midnight stirrup]

abyss was never hard till 6.0

but it was a challenge

[quasi quarry]

I quit hsr even tho i was consistently 0-cycling, game felt utterly exhausting to keep up with

[honest hill]

they can get rid of shilling buffs and just give u bonus rewards for clearing within like 2-3m and give u a trimmed medal for it as well idk

[drifting quest]

which is exactly what i said

[warped sorrel]

You escape hell

[drifting quest]

make the real rewards easily accessed

[midnight stirrup]

i never understood the shilling of endgame content tho

[drifting quest]

give something small as a bonus for clear time

[midnight stirrup]

i never once went like

[drifting quest]

money

[midnight stirrup]

lemme pull cause i cant beat this rotation

[drifting quest]

you might not have

but a lot of people do

[midnight stirrup]

investing 90 pulls to get 800 primos back

worth

[honest hill]

it's to make u pull the new unit to clear easily

[drifting quest]

i dont want to start fighting stuff with 30% res to everything but the new units element

[midnight stirrup]

why is bro mansplaining to me constantly

im not dumb

[drifting quest]

the miyabi effect

[honest hill]

a lot of people are casuals in the gacha space so they have a shit ton of skill issue so they pull

[quasi quarry]

I like the way Endfield is right now, it's in a sort of for fun state,
I enjoy optimising my teams, but I don't see any point in the game challenging me to hit some not-so arbitrary dps check, it's not meaningful in reality

[honest hill]

meanwhile people who know how to play the game don't struggle and don't need to pull it becomes more of a want

[midnight stirrup]

anyone with common sense knows pulling a shilled unit vs the reward u get for clearing isnt worth

[warped sorrel]

Endgame with small reward like 1 basic headhunting and a medal is fine
Some people would disagree but i wont stop them for asking more
Cause if they change it i will also get the benefits

[midnight stirrup]

u actually got a brick for a brain if u pull to clear endgame rot

[honest hill]

it also depends on the game on how much skill expression it has

[midnight stirrup]

No gacha has massive skill expression

[drifting quest]

its less about pulling the new thing (although that is part of it) and more that it makes me play things i dont want to play

[midnight stirrup]

Only one u can make a case for is zani phoebe 4nf rot

[warped sorrel]

I hope they bring CC to endfield to make theorycrafting more fun

[drifting quest]

if i want to play physical im not going to enjoy it if suddenly the new umbral monument has 2 floors with 30 and 50% phys res

because they're trying to sell fangyi and the enemy has -30% electric res

sure i can go play avywenna

but i want to play physical

[warped sorrel]

Yea they will definitely do that

[quasi quarry]

my main issue with hoyo games (mostly hsr and zz) was having to constantly renew my team for my fav units ( often with units I didn't care about )

[warped sorrel]

i think they already did

[midnight stirrup]

ZZZ is pretty horrible balancing

anything other than void hunters suck

[warped sorrel]

agree

[honest hill]

I am 100% sure if u learn that it can clear middle 3/4 + I cleared middle 3/4 w mono fusion Changli team which is like 75% dpr of 3.x teams

[midnight stirrup]

and the best supports are the supports that support void hunters the best, so why would u ever use them with regular dps

[honest hill]

it all depends on skill expression in the game

[midnight stirrup]

what does this have to do with what I said

[honest hill]

to clear without shilled buffs

I hope they don't add in ake

[quasi quarry]

it's not because I had to, but because it literally feels like your unit is actively getting worse, and your previous investment less impactful, it just felt like shit

[drifting quest]

smh just use shifu

[quasi quarry]

never felt like you were actually working towards anything

[honest hill]

I forgor

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825059873150074932/1472755774840246292/togif.gif

[quasi quarry]

if this game ends up following the same philosophy, I will drop it in a heartbeat

[midnight stirrup]

naur

im locking in on idols and quitting again

[warped sorrel]

I will drop it with a hate post

[midnight stirrup]

i got ye shunguang but shes so mid to play

[midnight stirrup]

its a gacha

its gonna happen regardless

ur playing the wrong genre if that bothers u

[quasi quarry]

???

[honest hill]

it just depends how long it takes to feel like that

[quasi quarry]

I've been playing Arknights for years and it does not have this issue

not sure what you mean

[warped sorrel]

Imagine we have to build premium team in endfield

[midnight stirrup]

arknights is jpg simulator

[quasi quarry]

not every game has to be like this