theorycrafting

[oak vigil]

Well damn, then I don’t know actually

[drifting quest]

OBJ isnt providing more

[glass birch]

Lae has a ton of DMG% already through. ATK% is probably the way to go

[drifting quest]

In actual teams

[wind nebula]

as expected, thanks for that

[drifting quest]

Its not even really close

[wind nebula]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Damage_calculation

[drifting quest]

When you consider practical rots

[hardy hemlock]

Yvonne without gilb misses everything tho so I would be more quick to call t2 fill

[oak vigil]

Oooooh okay now I get it

[torn pilot]

ill be using gilberta but she doesnt seem as necessary as she currently is, with another easy way(tangtang) to apply inflictions

whos to say tho

[daring dove]

Starting to get there with my Yvonne build still a lot more artificing to do. Think I'll try a BA Chest / BA Gloves / CR + CR Off-piece build on her. Once fully artificed I should still be able to hit around 4.3k attack.

Should give me an effective CR of 98.5%.

[hardy hemlock]

The other question I have is does rossi make controlled ember viable/good on physical or does that run into too many sp issues

[smoky quarry]

So it will be better for avywenna and lavatein team

[glass birch]

what pot is your yvonne?

[smoky quarry]

yay

[drifting quest]

Just bear in mind tangtang is equal if not worse for stacking than units like alesh and gilb

[daring dove]

P5, without her P2 I'd be at 91.5%.

[oak vigil]

Okay so I am a little bit wrong about this, Thermite would still be better due to being in a better buff bracket overall, even if for electrical/heat teams

Others corrected me like right below my ping lol

[smoky quarry]

Got lava attack from 3333 to 3835, big diff?

[torn pilot]

why do you think that? mostly in comparison to alesh

[smoky quarry]

Ohhh

I get it

[wind nebula]

I pride myself on vibecrafting with high accuracy (but terrible precision)

[smoky quarry]

+damage isn't as good as +attack

math thingie

Right?

[drifting quest]

Ult cost from the video, less likelihood to access uge% gear, sp req to stack outside of ult, etc

1 stack per ability

[wind nebula]

this is why:

so many bonuses get lumped together in here

[gritty briar]

yeah damage bonus is so incredibly common

[wind nebula]

most DPS characters wind up with a bunch of this from their gear choices alone.

[smoky quarry]

Upped lava attack from 3333 to 3835, is that big diff?

the most logical thing devs can do is convert all +attack% to flat +damage%, cause attack multiplier is way too important as of right now

To the point where you would equip weapon with misfit skill cause it has +At as secondary

[wind nebula]

I don't see how that conclusion follows

[smoky quarry]

(x+y+z) or (x+y)*z

where z is atk multiplier. It just has too much power

[torn pilot]

yeah i see wym, i already kindof figured that tangtang doesnt actually fix any of yvonnes problems, but i do suspect not taking 3 business days to apply an infliction will be a nice QoL upgrade, and ofc her ult seems very QoL too.

[wind nebula]

I understand the math. I don't agree that it logically follows that it's too strong

[gritty briar]

i figured it was supposed to be stronger by design

[smoky quarry]

Potentially good weapons for characters get thrown out cause their secondary isn't attack

[torn pilot]

doesnt tangtang also apply arts sus when she uses her battle skill?

[gritty briar]

if they wanted it to be equal, they'd add more atk% to gear

[drifting quest]

You dont really get the qol thanks to talent 2 asking you to plunge attack, and just its short uptime not aligning well

[drifting quest]

Waterspouts made by skill or talent 2 give it

[smoky quarry]

That would be oversight by my book, but if that's what they planned 🤷🏻‍♂️

[timber harness]

Still coping yvonne

[glass birch]

5% (base) + 10% (MI Sec set bonus with full stacks) + 19.5 (Artzy full CR) + 7% (Yvonne P2) + 27% (2 CR kits) = 68.5%.
Add in 30% for ult's buff = 98.5
Add in 11% from Ginseng (Best buff food currently) = 100% (capped)
Better to swap out the 2nd CR Kit for LYNX slab You lose 13.5% CR but the food would net you back 11%. And personally I think the stat bump from Lynx slab (26.9% main attribute) is worth it for the content where you cant use food. With Lynx slab my Yvonne current is hitting 777 Int and my gear isnt fully artificed yet

[gritty briar]

idk it feels more intentional to me.
A lot of the damage% numbers are not only more more frequent, but also bigger.
This implies they already expect it to be diluted for most normal dps builds

[daring dove]

I don't use food in gameplay to be honest so it's not something I'm considering

[gritty briar]

meanwhile atk% gains on gear are like 15% on set bonus

you get like 25% damage on a single piece

it's clearly intentional that the damage bonus is less rare

[smoky quarry]

Food would be legit argument if devs didn't locked you out of it when you need it most

They'll probably forbid not only tacticals, but food buffs too again

[glass birch]

we're also still only in the 2nd region. It'll likely be more beneficial to use later down the line. But then again; current food buffs will likely be out done by new food buffs by that point lol

[wind nebula]

so here's my take on the design difference.

DMG bonus comes in bigger numbers and from a wide variety of sources so players that aren't down with TC or math or full optimization have the fun of getting big bonuses and a variety of buffs to "build" with without it breaking the game.

ATK exists in it's current state so they can more carefully tune their damage ceiling. both in starting it pretty low and then scaling it as ATK bonuses get bigger over time

[daring dove]

How much ATK doos slab Yvonne reach without food?

[smoky quarry]

Story and exploration is baby mode

They'll forbid tacticals for actually hard events

[glass birch]

with 777 Int I currently reach 4456. I'm missing a lot of int artificing still

[smoky quarry]

Cause apparently healers are underused

[daring dove]

I reckon I'll end up about 4.2k realistically. While maintaining my CR. It's not a horrible trade-off for consistency..

Pushed a bit further now an already nearly broke 4k while getting my CR in-tact.

[devout coral]

so estelle's combo skill is the one that would shatter, does the combo damage bonus count towards shatter damage?

[terse valley]

neither combo% nor skill% affects shatter dmg

[devout coral]

ok

but phys damage bonus would

[terse valley]

i...don't remember actually

[gritty briar]

it should since shatter is phys

[glass birch]

The drop is kinda big. (Again, I'm still missing some INT artificing so the numbers would be higher for a fully artificed Lynx slab vs. CR kit)
W/ Slab = 777 Int
W/o Slab = 587 Int
W/ CR Kit = 628 Int

~149 main stat difference

[daring dove]

Yeah, I know it's a bit worse mathematically, but I'm focusing on consistency. Plus I think those numbers are a bit wrong. I'm already at 658 INT with tons more to get.

Reckon my int cap is about 690.

[glass birch]

Again I havent fully artificed my int

[daring dove]

Same here, missing 6 INT upgrades rn.

I guess realistically the difference is going to end up about 100 INT more or 13.5% CR more. I'd rather the CR but each to their own.

[glass birch]

MI Sec Overalls = 113 Int
Crit MI Kit = 41 int (x2)
9/9/x Artzy = 156 Int
MI Gloves = 85 Int
Total int from gear = 436
20 Int from P2
60 Int from Keen Mind nodes
= 516 adding in potentials and nodes
Lv90 Yvonne has 176 int as a base
Total Int with everything added = 692
If we swap one CR kit for Slab it goes from 692 to 678 before the 26.9% brings it up to ~860

[smoky quarry]

80 -> 90 stat increase is important or minor?

both operator and weapon

[gritty briar]

can anyone think of a plausible reason that Navigator is in Fluorite's recommended but not Wedge?

first line int
second line cryo damage
agi/nature character btw

[glass birch]

Matching skills means that the 3rd line fits her.

[smoky quarry]

Isn't p5 opus better for fluo tho?

[gritty briar]

but wedge has basically the same condition

they both would trigger on corrosion proc anyways

[glass birch]

But yeah. Navi on Fluorite is 🤮

Wasted nearly 50% Cryo dmg%

[smoky quarry]

❓

[gritty briar]

well opus is there anyways

it's just the 6 star recommendation is so weird

[smoky quarry]

These are automatically generated anyway

coudn't spend 20 mins to arrange them by hand huh

[gritty briar]

you'd think they'd at least have something that matches main stat

fluorite truly the most neglected operator

[smoky quarry]

let's cope for Z7 members alters

z7 team is so abused that all members are 4 star

akekuri is used cause this is second character (and last atm) in the game that can give link status

[glass birch]

[daring dove]

To be honest this is also a big reason best girl is used.

[kind iron]

wait how you got Flow to 9

[smoky quarry]

I mean, any sp generator can utilise this sword

[smoky quarry]

P5

Whaler

[gritty briar]

wow whale weapon

[kind iron]

ah okey

[daring dove]

Not as well as Akekuri to be honest, Akekuri an Pog are the ones who most easily cap its buff from what I have seen.

Although to be honest most of the other SP generators are just worse than them anyway.

[smoky quarry]

arclight in shambles

[terse valley]

arclight is just in need of an actual electro dps

[smoky quarry]

I won't let you slander the bunny

[terse valley]

an electro yvonne

[kind iron]

wait is the bunny 5 star bad?

[gritty briar]

probably still wouldn't be that useful

[terse valley]

im sorry but her aussie accent is the only thing going on for her

[kind iron]

I have her /w Jet and electro is my next team to build

[gritty briar]

unless the electric dps also just constantly spammed forced electrification to feed her

which would be kinda absurd

[terse valley]

the yvonne in the room:

[smoky quarry]

Nope, she's showing good numbers

She's outclassed by lava and lr, but that's given

[gritty briar]

also arclight has no link right?

[smoky quarry]

She has kind of link from aliexpress

wildland trekker

[gritty briar]

i guess maybe if fangyi is like an electric yvonne and becomes a dps that just creates and consumes electrification, maybe it works out

[smoky quarry]

+50% electric/heat damage from two bs electrif

[terse valley]

yeah once every three rotation

two with p5

[smoky quarry]

Imagine not having p5 on all 5 stars

[kind iron]

max dupes

she has to be good

[terse valley]

i will beat you up

[kind iron]

I didnt even get Xiahi

had to buy her from the shop xd

[smoky quarry]

are you whale or smth?

not enough pulls

[kind iron]

no?

[smoky quarry]

weird luck

[gritty briar]

should've believed in the gamble and got the pulls instead

[smoky quarry]

also buying character from shop is very bad decision lol

[kind iron]

I know xd

[smoky quarry]

you wasted 8 event pulls by that

[kind iron]

but I wanted my Yvonne teammember

[old condor]

tfw im sitting on p5 laev +p1~2 on some other 6*s but arclight sitting here at p1

[gritty briar]

could've been 8 xaihi

[daring dove]

5* pulls are kind of all RNG they could have like P5 Avywenna P0 Snowshine.

[gritty briar]

8% chance and it's a 1 in 10

basically like pulling a 6 star

[smoky quarry]

tbh I got my last s5p5 today

It was avywenna, the one I needed the most lol

[outer ermine]

chiitama pfp

[old condor]

someone that recognizes chiitama

[kind iron]

I have
All 6 stars on P0
Wulfgar - P5
Xiahi - P0
Alesh - P2
Avywenna P5
Arclight P2
Da Pan P5
Snowshine P4
Chen P5
Perlica P5

[daring dove]

I honestly think as well this game won't release that many 4* / 5* characters so I reckon even F2P's will have most of them P5 going into month 4.

[kind iron]

I think my luck is pretty good overall

[smoky quarry]

so far, 5 stars are move livelier than 6 stars somehow

[gritty briar]

i'm glad most of the characters i like are lower rarity

[smoky quarry]

who the hell is on this server since 2022

[quaint matrix]

when 1.1 starts?

[smoky quarry]

It was available since 22?

[smoky quarry]

when yvonne banner ends

12th march afaik

[gritty briar]

yeah i've been here back then when the game was announced

the server had nothing to talk about and no mods

so it was just nsfw spam

[smoky quarry]

you win some, you lose some

[gritty briar]

like they just forgot to get moderators

[smoky quarry]

lmfao

[gritty briar]

first day was a warzone

[terse valley]

i remember your name and pfp lmao

[gritty briar]

i remember you from ako too

[smoky quarry]

what's the point of releasing discord server when there's nothing to talk about yet

[gritty briar]

idk everyone was confused about it too

i almost felt like having the server go into chaos was a publicity stunt gone wrong

[terse valley]

people deadass were spamming porn in general chat

[gritty briar]

but it was such a bad idea because there was so much dead silence about the game that people got tired of it anyways

[daring dove]

My favourite character rn is likely Akekuri to be honest despite being a massive whale. But I think Tangtang will replace her. overall I prefer the most basic character designs with personality.

[outer ermine]

the lockdown was funni af

[gritty briar]

like server got a bunch of attention cause of the chaos of the first couple days but it didn't really hold anyone's attention when there was no news for 3 years

[smoky quarry]

Note: TangTang is not (completely) flat

[deft warren]

that's not even remotely flat lmfao

[kind iron]

why we thought she is flat

[terse valley]

who said that

[smoky quarry]

It's just that, usually gremlins like her are flat by character design tropes

So I didn't even looked it up

[neat snow]

[smoky quarry]

4'11" of soup

[digital nova]

guys should i be using thermite cutter on pog or fortmaker?

[smoky quarry]

thermite

[daring dove]

For some reason people tend to think Tangtang is a child character... Despite her being the same size as Chen & Perlica.

[smoky quarry]

actually, there's reason to use fortmaker in one specific scenario

[deft warren]

what a conversation starter for theory crafting lmfao

[smoky quarry]

mods are sleeping, we can have fun at last

[kind iron]

I mean I know why

[digital nova]

thanks

can you also tell me what set? there are a bunch of different sets people use for diff scenarious

im doing breach and crush alternating rotation

[digital nova]

which one

[kind iron]

most people think smaller characters = kids

[smoky quarry]

read out iaha guide in #team-build pins

It goes in detail about it

[smoky quarry]

And she just happens to behave childish

[terse valley]

most focuses on breach effect and ult gain but im ngl this set is kinda cringe

[digital nova]

thanks

[smoky quarry]

Isn't rossie the same thing? She's supposed to be adult, just with height problem

[digital nova]

thanks

[terse valley]

majority of people judge others by appearance if u havent realized

[pure spoke]

https://streamable.com/0s1pkh

[digital nova]

waiti rossie is an adult? no shot

even in the livestream they said endmin and rossie will hangout with other children soo that rossie can live like a normal child would away from her responsibilities

[smoky quarry]

1. appearance
2. behaviour

in this order

[gritty briar]

idk i'm judging rossi by the fact that she just kinda sniffs us and blushes when she meets us

[daring dove]

Despite all of that size wise & canonically she's very much an adult. She's the same age as Chen & Mi fu I reckon they are rivals after all. Rossi I get claiming she is / looks like a kid. Tangtang I find a bit sus.

[smoky quarry]

Idk, job of the endfield fan isn't to read, it's to spread agenda

[smoky quarry]

That means that hands are untied

[digital nova]

hell yeah

[digital nova]

what does thte brain symbol on the set mean

[smoky quarry]

stat

it means you need one that buffs will

[terse valley]

no it's more like due to her environment and upbringing(?) she missed a proper childhood so the story event is hoping she would experience it now

[digital nova]

so this one? or what i dont get it

[smoky quarry]

icon is corresponding to a stat icon

cause there's gear with variations

[smoky quarry]

yes

[terse valley]

check the gear crafting screen it shows which stat has which icon

[scenic radish]

I should go do my trims on the bosses before they release next tier gear sets so I feel like I still did something

[digital nova]

thanks yall

[smoky quarry]

I am so terrible at bosses, 400+ seconds on triangle and marbe

160s on rhodagn tho

[scenic radish]

I could probably do it now that I know you don't need to hide behind the wall and can just dodge the explosion

triangle boss will be tricky in the sense of not wasting damage, since I use avywenna

[smoky quarry]

Or, you can just shoot him with arts unit or handgun user

[gritty briar]

triangle didn't feel like it needed that much damage, as long as you had some way of handling the spawns

[scenic radish]

I have endmin team and avy team, haven't built a gun dps

[gritty briar]

you need enough damage to end each phase in 1 stagger but that feels like less damage needed than rhodagn to me

[scenic radish]

as far as food buffs go, do you pop them immediately when you start, or can you pop them out of the fight?

[gritty briar]

i think you can eat food before you enter the room

[scenic radish]

I'm going to go get some food and buy water, but I will probably run rhod a few times when I get back

[gritty briar]

also if you're desperate for any food advantage you can get for the trims, there's also the ult gain tacticals

[scenic radish]

it might be possible for me to do it without the food buffs, I just never use them

I can make a ton of scorchbug potions I guess, and I do have those jakub legacies

[gritty briar]

i think the buff consumables don't stack so the best you can do is 1 type of buff + ult refill tactical on each character

jakub probably the best easy to obtain one cause they're in the shop
ginseng often a bit better but my ass is too lazy to farm materials

[scenic radish]

getting a good rotation on the boss is more important to not waste time getting interrupted by anything, but most of my damage comes from avy's skill use

rainy outside so I put on my rain jacket I haven't worn for months and found 3 hi chews in a pocket, lol

[thorny coral]

chews: hi

[scenic radish]

First try on rhod was 155, but I can shave that down. do you have to redeem the rewards for it to count or can you just keep doing it for free?

[gritty briar]

for the trim? can just do it for free

[edgy crater]

u can smh get trimmed medal but not getting 1st time kill

[gritty briar]

yeah the medal gets obtained on kill and the first time kill is obtained when touching the portal i think

both of which you can do without actually spending sanity

[scenic radish]

hm, only went down to 149, granted I am running a few with no buff items

and my avy only has a partially etched weapon

[edgy crater]

remember, if u cant trimmed rhodagon with a team, ur team basically worse than solo catcher/ember

[smoky quarry]

.itworked2

[crystal coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1394349737511096330/image-172.png

[outer ermine]

[scenic radish]

I wonder what kind of stacking they did to accomplish solo catcher

[edgy crater]

anything they currently have

[gritty briar]

https://youtu.be/TxzEQo9MWUc?si=O6W-i4Cv6E29dDkQ

crazy amount of time to spare for something like this

[scenic radish]

bruh does 5k a swing minimum

[gritty briar]

catcher with food is stronger than my entire 4 star team combined

this is messed up

op team z7 at 99% power is just catcher

[lyric latch]

Catcher is 100%. The others just drag him down

[smoky quarry]

z7 team members don't even play with each other

why they were designed like that

[scenic radish]

well, I'll keep trying to mess with it but I need to evaluate how many avy combos I should do at a time. with bonecrusher the best benefit is 2 sets of spears but sometimes it seems better to cash them all in on a break

[honest hill]

max it out

[scenic radish]

I will, over time.

[honest hill]

avy deserves it

[scenic radish]

or do you mean I should max it before I even go for trim?

[honest hill]

her team is the most satisfying but maybe I am wrong because I haven't tried sustainless phys team

[honest hill]

If you are trying to trim w that team I would max it

[scenic radish]

I can also make a bunch of those stews catcher ate, actually

[edgy crater]

ur avy with ange or not?

[scenic radish]

though I think I will just eat a scorchbug first and see whether that makes a difference

[honest hill]

stop saying ange

[edgy crater]

[honest hill]

peak team

[edgy crater]

well, time to plan more avy spear then

[honest hill]

also u could try go for gilberta sig

[scenic radish]

my avy is pot 3 so she does have the 50s spear timer

I'm not really that invested in gilberta sig tbh

[honest hill]

can u show me ur perlica

[scenic radish]

I know it does help

[edgy crater]

u can try then, max avy spear

[honest hill]

w Rhodagn u can double ult 9 spear during first phase

[gritty briar]

should just go and kill rhodagn in 13 seconds
https://vxb23.tv/vSSzzRn

[honest hill]

how much arts intensity u at, I am guessing u have her essence maxed?

[scenic radish]

not even close, I've been leveling and gearing my teams but I haven't been doing much essence farm yet

though it's my next goal

[edgy crater]

hold ur artifi gear

[honest hill]

u think it'll change for her too?

ye I honestly would hold

[scenic radish]

I know we're getting better stuff but I already built it some time ago

[edgy crater]

well, its possible

remember we got red pulsar set too

[scenic radish]

I only bothered artificing my dps

[honest hill]

it could be better stuff

we don't know

[edgy crater]

better its not obvious yet

[honest hill]

the gear is just comparable to what we have rn

[scenic radish]

in any case, I'm only like 25s off the trim after like 2 tries

[honest hill]

that's what they said

[scenic radish]

if I eat some meds and do what they did in the video and not initiate the fight from the front

[honest hill]

u could try double ult w avy

if ur perli is that built then switch to her when u stagger rhodagn

[scenic radish]

oh, is my perli considered built?

[edgy crater]

well, u can always run oblivion/ww perlica

[honest hill]

i mean idk

[honest hill]

Does oblivion beat out deto for team damage

[scenic radish]

I could also etch her intensity up

[edgy crater]

maybe? i dont even have it

[honest hill]

well against Rhodagn I think oblivion but against the other bosses I feel like deto better

[honest hill]

we truly are peasants

[edgy crater]

im not, p4 stanza

[scenic radish]

honestly, the trim is the only thing we've had so far that has required thought into optimizing, so it's alright to have half built characters

[honest hill]

jokes on u I have gilberta sig

[scenic radish]

if I go for any sigs it'll be main dps, so probably rossi's wep, idk

[honest hill]

against marble hm it's way harder

[modern swift]

not p5, smh

[scenic radish]

though gilberta seems future proof so maybe investing in her sig would be smart

[honest hill]

just think about it

I only went for it for avy

[edgy crater]

next week, trust

[modern swift]

p5 and i dont even use it 😭

[honest hill]

use it wtf

[edgy crater]

well, just use it then

[outer ermine]

that shit will backfire on u if u dont do enuf dmg

trim timer starts on entry

[modern swift]

I aint using ts

[honest hill]

u can't copy 1 to 1 anyways

ur dmg will differ u will run into problems w lower investment

[scenic radish]

oh does it? damn

[outer ermine]

pretty sure there are normal avy runs out there thats like 40s~

[edgy crater]

crit fishing avy?

[modern swift]

no jet so I just run this bs on my avy team 🥀 w/e she getting slotted out when fentyi comes out anyway

[honest hill]

I think the loading screens don't count towards timer too

[honest hill]

get jet 💀

[scenic radish]

lol, I just moved my mouse to top right to skip the cutscene and Xed out my game instead

[modern swift]

miss me with that, I reject jet

[scenic radish]

jet is sexy

[honest hill]

rip ur avy

[scenic radish]

avy sig looks ok

[modern swift]

even if I got it on my tangtang weapon rolls Im going to do I wouldnt level it

[modern swift]

its pretty much max pot its not that much worse than a p0 jet

[outer ermine]

yea

[honest hill]

still painful to look at

[edgy crater]

bruh, even avy doing crit fishing

[modern swift]

Im neeeever getting jet, atp I refuse

[outer ermine]

500k crit big

[honest hill]

who is using eminent respute and opus

[modern swift]

idr

[honest hill]

sadge

[modern swift]

the unit I imagined in my sleep

[outer ermine]

lv1 khrav

[modern swift]

p3 level 20

[honest hill]

u really should invest in her

it's P3

[outer ermine]

🤝 treating yvonne the same

[modern swift]

When I finish up the better team, Ill do cryo

[honest hill]

oh damn

phys team

I wish I had that team

[edgy crater]

why daheck this remind to ak treatment, lvl 90 thorn with sl1

[honest hill]

who does the most dmg in phys team is it chen or endmin?

[modern swift]

endmin

[honest hill]

also isn't thermite cutter better for pog

for whole team I mean

[modern swift]

it is but im too lazy to swap between it on akekuri and him whenever i switch teams so i just got his sig

[honest hill]

I see

[outer ermine]

always out of books

[honest hill]

never rest does look cool tho

[scenic radish]

I ate a bug and got my trim

[neat snow]

Good job

[scenic radish]

moral of the story is Winners Dont Do Drugs

next I need to see how easily I can manipulate triaggelos to not run away from me

[gritty briar]

nice

[scenic radish]

two down

I ate a lot of hits tho

[honest hill]

last one is the hardest

[scenic radish]

I like the triaggelos fight a lot, but I don't like the third boss much, tentacle enemies are always annoying

[honest hill]

the first phase can take u around 1-1.5m

[scenic radish]

but I know I can throw some spears and drag them through two tents at a time

[honest hill]

ye as long as u do enough dmg that is

[gritty briar]

tentacles are annoying yeah

[edgy crater]

i find marble easier than doritos

at least u dont get the bug

[honest hill]

doritos is just annoying

marble is a pain

[edgy crater]

doritos bug more annoying

[gritty briar]

triangle is either the easiest thing ever or annoying af

[honest hill]

the tentacle attacks are more annoying that anything dorito has

[honest hill]

what bug

[edgy crater]

nah json, 0 hp but still do full sequence

[scenic radish]

tentacles are way more annoying than phase 2

because I dont have damage fields and random flailing

[summer flicker]

i feel tentacle way easier for my yvonne

[scenic radish]

yeah, because she can shoot at range

avy needs to get in and slap those tents

first attempt 273/240, good start since I wasted so much time on tents

[odd wren]

Theres an easier one

[rigid pumice]

i got 2 going for yvonne weapon (its finally an optional weapon) did you pull for it at all?

[honest hill]

how did he die there

[smoky quarry]

Is it worth going 80 -> 90 on hypercarry? How big is the difference?

[honest hill]

yes

hypercarry is doing all the work

doing all the damage

[smoky quarry]

It's just that, by very rough calculations, I'll spend a week just farming credits in protocol

ts takes so long

[honest hill]

well it's worth it

[smoky quarry]

and then I'll have to do another week for progression materials to get masteries

[honest hill]

that's just how it is

[smoky quarry]

[honest hill]

what team

[smoky quarry]

laeva - ake - wulf - ard/ant

[honest hill]

what level are ur supports

[smoky quarry]

all 80/80, 6/9/9/9

[honest hill]

yep that's why ur broke

there was no reason to 80 them

all those levels and money could've gone to leva

[smoky quarry]

If I would spend resources wiser, then I'd finish team already

I'm going to build them separately at some point anyway

[honest hill]

and it would've resulted in way higher team damage

for future teams don't 80 ur supports unless they're like xaihi

[smoky quarry]

LR team is mostly for LR fanboys, not financially wise team

Right?

Then I'm left only with phys team

[edgy crater]

in what?

xaihi for yvonne

[honest hill]

huh?

yeah

[potent hornet]

@drifting quest you get banned?

[edgy crater]

ardel n perlica can be used on most arts team

[proud vector]

Did shuo explode?!

[honest hill]

It's one of the better teams out there rn after leva ofc

[proud vector]

Oh no

[honest hill]

in terms of investment and how good it is

[potent hornet]

i'm just curious, just got back from work\

[smoky quarry]

I kind of want to build everyone in the long run

but LR just demands too much

P3 and default leg signature

[gritty briar]

that sounds pretty expensive

[honest hill]

u don't need P3

[potent hornet]

you dont need p3

you do want the sig tho

[honest hill]

yes u want sig

[smoky quarry]

everyone I like*

[gritty briar]

ah

[smoky quarry]

That means I am not getting any chinese characters

[edgy crater]

lr only need khrav

[smoky quarry]

not on my account

[edgy crater]

hmm yeah

i smell racist in the air

[honest hill]

the most expensive team is I think phys team?

[smoky quarry]

"Actually it's not racism cause racism is combination of race and power 🤓"

Also, technically slavs are colorful, so I am minority here

Rate my mental gymnastics

[edgy crater]

reso wise, yeah
money wise? yvonne

[honest hill]

wym by reso wise but yes I agree w money wise

oh

resources..

[edgy crater]

[smoky quarry]

I don't like that:

1. There's only 5 teams
2. They don't work like presets

Meaning that there's gonna be a lot of handwork if you wanna play something different often

like swapping sets and weapons

[honest hill]

they should add gear presets when u switch teams

[neat snow]

Yeah it'd be nice if weapons and stuff saved to the team

[honest hill]

instead of manually doing it

it can get annoying

[potent hornet]

that would be nice

[smoky quarry]

Cause, akekuri and arclight for example literally use same gear and weapon layout

I am not making 2 same sets for them

and I am definitely not getting second thermite cutter

[honest hill]

ye

[smoky quarry]

Halfway to the 58 authority level

Is that called unemployment?

[edgy crater]

no

[proven mauve]

how do i enable freecam in combat

[gritty briar]

i would love this

[smoky quarry]

That's the neat part, you don't

[proven mauve]

fuck me

i have combat autolock off

but it still completely controls my camera movement

[gritty briar]

i kinda wanna try stupid shit like vanguardknights but i'd be put off from doing it cause then i'd have to switch gear every time i use a vanguard normally

[smoky quarry]

Well, you have to target something

[modest thorn]

are u talking about ur cam getting locked during like marble?

[smoky quarry]

or skills simply won't hit

[smoky quarry]

lock-on

[honest hill]

It's just that when we get it it'll be a long time

[proven mauve]

yeah i mean it controls where my camera goes

and i cant choose where i wanna look

[smoky quarry]

somewhere in 2030:

DEVS LISTENED

[proven mauve]

so if smtns about to slap my ass i cant tell

[honest hill]

tbf idk any game that has presets when u select ur team

[smoky quarry]

Just use your spider sense man

[edgy crater]

vg knight? dat mean u cant even do breach

[smoky quarry]

Be aware of your surroundings

[edgy crater]

u can in fact hear the sound of nearby mobs do atk

[proven mauve]

well thats the thing

[edgy crater]

even with arrow projection

[proven mauve]

ill know smtns behind me

but i wont be able to time my dodge bc i can't turn around to see it

[smoky quarry]

Next weekly refresh should be grand vision? Or something like that

[gritty briar]

yeah it would probably be incredibly bad but it sounds funny to try

well, i'm too poor to build them right now anyways

[smoky quarry]

How long is gonna be sanity discount?

Until 1.1?

[edgy crater]

rather than fun, its more like pain

how do u even proc pog breach or arclight there

also like, combustion ake with alesh lmao?

[smoky quarry]

just get arclight ult to proc arclight

[gritty briar]

i played vgknights in arknights so surely it won't be that different

[edgy crater]

ultibot gameplay i see

[honest hill]

seems so ye

[smoky quarry]

We are eating good with next sign-in event, 2 standard pulls and 500 oroberyls

Are they serious?

[honest hill]

[proud vector]

Wow standard pulls!

Sugoi!

[gritty briar]

"rich rewards"

[proud vector]

I almost forgot how they felt?

[smoky quarry]

You can get 4 standard pulls if you log off for 24 days

that's what I call a real deal

[proud vector]

my god!

I get rewarded so handsomely for touching grass?

[honest hill]

standard pulls should be just obtained from login new patch like 5 standard pulls plus from exchange

[gritty briar]

idk but someone mentioned arclight gameplay triggering alesh combo cause reaction consumption so that sounds like a funny synergy

[potent hornet]

i like Watcher of realms pull economy

[edgy crater]

hmm, dats worth to try

[gritty briar]

wait she can only electrify with ult

it's cooked lmao

[smoky quarry]

Can we get arclight buff? She's supposed to be sup-dps, but somehow she does zero impact on the overall summary

[gritty briar]

i thought maybe she had infliction somewhere

[proud vector]

She does

On ult

[potent hornet]

its an inflict and consume

[smoky quarry]

You can proc like 4 electrifications with one ult though

that's four battle skills if you are quick enough

[proud vector]

Oh like in AoE situation?

[smoky quarry]

yes

[proud vector]

dats cool

Arclight go brr

[smoky quarry]

one small problem

ult direction is absolutely unpredictable

[gritty briar]

incredible

[proud vector]

Gotta swap over to her to ain no?

She auto swaps you off on ult anyways

[honest hill]

she forces electrification on enemy if they have electric infliction

with her ult

[smoky quarry]

nope

she forcibly applies electrification

and that's all

[honest hill]

are u sure

[potent hornet]

no that is not how it works

[proud vector]

It’s time to bet

[smoky quarry]

if we are talking about arclight?

[potent hornet]

first hit applies infliction, second hit consumes infliction

[proud vector]

1 dollar on it needing to consume

[potent hornet]

yes on arclight

[gritty briar]

yeah that's how i thought it worked

idk i've never used her

[smoky quarry]

Does that matters? In summary, electrification is created out of nowhere

[potent hornet]

no

[proud vector]

Kinda?

[potent hornet]

forced is always 1 level

[modest thorn]

couldn't it just apply it to another infliction and it can't apply electrification

[potent hornet]

if you are using other appliers you can consume more than one stack of infliction on the second hit

[proud vector]

Distinction to be made between Forced and Consume inflictions to Force Apply

[wind nebula]

Arclight CONSUMES infliciton to generate electrification. if it consumes, it inherits the stack count as the status level

[smoky quarry]

So much for a character that has 10% damage quota at best

[honest hill]

this is what it says in game

[proud vector]

This has been verified for Yvonne’s shatter increasing in level as you consume more cyro

Which is why the wacky shatter version of Yvonne exists

[wind nebula]

you can test this without even doing any math. just count the status duration

[proud vector]

(Apparently it’s not even bad)

[bronze plume]

probably just le mid

its hard to be bad in a game as easy as endfield

[honest hill]

so if the enemy doesn't have electric infliction already no electrification

[potent hornet]

her first hit applies it

[bronze plume]

unless yo name is ember

[modest thorn]

is there some specific interaction? why does it say forcibly apply instead of just apply

[potent hornet]

which fuels the second hit

[bronze plume]

for legal reasons this is a joke

the 1 person who likes ember plz dont attack me

[potent hornet]

to consume

[wind nebula]

correct, if you consume infliciton between her first hit and the second, no status

[potent hornet]

^

[proud vector]

Cuz while it does technically forcibly apply it

[honest hill]

I see

[proud vector]

Forcibly just isn’t what you think it means

[modest thorn]

oh alr gotcha

[proud vector]

Since the game seems to consider a natural application diff

[potent hornet]

forcibly is not forced

because normally you would need a status from a different element to apply elec

therfor you are forcibly applying electric by consuming electric stacks

something you wouldn't normally be able to do

[smoky quarry]

actual forcible apply is ardelia corrosion

[potent hornet]

forced is applying the status no matter what stacks are sitting there

[smoky quarry]

right?

[lean pawn]

Yo is the new gear from 1.1 lv 90 or lv 70

[normal tangle]

70 i think

[proud vector]

Unknown, speculated lv70, just additional gear pieces

[modest thorn]

[normal tangle]

we lowkey don't know

[scenic radish]

confirmed

[smoky quarry]

90lvl gear is gonna be only next region

[scenic radish]

marble is suffering

[lean pawn]

Would be stupid if its 90

[smoky quarry]

Cause otherwise it would ruin artificing

[wind nebula]

all "forced" statuses say "forcibly applies/inflicts..." this is perlica's

there is only one forcibly and it means it applies the status outside of normally infliction interaction rules.

if no consume is attached, it has no means to alter it's level unless they put text that says otherwise.

[scenic radish]

because tents waste time and you need to line up your attacks so the boss doesnt waste your time with sky garbage

[proud vector]

It’s a joke

[normal tangle]

they're adding new tier of components as well though so like

anybody's guess honestly

[proud vector]

We went through a whole thing with

Lift is not lifted a while ago

With fantastic quotes like

[wind nebula]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Thomas_C._Lea_III_-_That_Two-Thousand_Yard_Stare_-_Original.jpg

[proud vector]

“Lift is not a physical status”

[honest hill]

it's too early to be lv 90

[potent hornet]

did they change wording i swear i saw that as forced not forcibly?

[modest thorn]

also how does gilberta's talent work? is it multiplacative or additive for ultimate gain efficiency

[lean pawn]

Ye some person in help channel be saying they watched some gacha youtuber and now believe its lv 90...

[wind nebula]

you're confusing it with people saying "forced application is level one"

[honest hill]

that person is not smart and not capable of thinking for themselves

[proud vector]

Probably additive but I don’t have so can’t test

[smoky quarry]

Are you endfield fan cause you are illiterate, or are you illiterate cause you are endfield fan?

[honest hill]

they even said it was comparable to current gear and it's way too early to be lv 90

[lean pawn]

Sponsored by lootbars.gg

[potent hornet]

but back to the point of Arclight, she is in a position of many ults in a short period of time VS one big ult over a longer period of time

so while she may not have uber dmg, she puts out dmg consistantly

[smoky quarry]

Main point of arclight at this point is triggering wildland trekker

and it's kinda awkward to do

[potent hornet]

we just don't have content that really calls for more than 1 or 2 ults from your main dps to clear if you have built properly

[wind nebula]

if a proper engine existed for her and even then it would be mid. turst me I've tried to cook her a team, and dug around looking for others that have cooked something.

it's all ass

[smoky quarry]

I hate it when enemies die before I can actually start my rotation

Or I get banged so hard that I can't even start it

[proud vector]

[smoky quarry]

[proud vector]

By what? A gang?

… I’ll see myself out

[lean pawn]

The 1st agony overall was still very tanky and meant for aoe based chars

[smoky quarry]

Do you face issues that laeva combat skill in non-ult form gets cancelled? Like, in order for it to work properly you better to not press any buttons

[potent hornet]

lol i don't even remember that

[edgy crater]

haze map?

[smoky quarry]

Otherwise it just phases through without consuming stacks

[potent hornet]

the only one i had issues with in the first rounds were the ones that wouldn't move from their spot

[lean pawn]

Like apparently laev people who had it easy against 1st agony, struggled with second agony

[edgy crater]

u just pray ur ardel didnt aggro random doggos n left it stuck on the edges

[potent hornet]

oh the dot one

[craggy pond]

that's not an issue, that's intended

you're not supposed to interrupt it

[modest thorn]

the double pincer thing?

[potent hornet]

i had ard, and xaihi, didn't bother me

[lean pawn]

Like second agony was about pattern while first agony was enemy hoard killing

[smoky quarry]

I believe it can be interrupted post-launch

[lean pawn]

ig so?

[smoky quarry]

which is very weird

[modest thorn]

oh i loved that one lol, gilberta combo in the middle so they both get lifted and then nuked in 40 seconds

[lean pawn]

All I can say I had more fun in second agony than the first

[craggy pond]

what i mean is you're not supposed to interrupt it if you want the extra hit to land

it's intended

[modest thorn]

uh... no

[lean pawn]

no?

[modest thorn]

oh meant to reply to fox

[smoky quarry]

I hate second stage of inorganic construct, damn rams ram at you without cooldowns

[modest thorn]

sometimes if u interrupt it consumes stacks and doesn't do anything

[smoky quarry]

and they mess up skill casts all the time

[lean pawn]

Its a lot about pattern and observation, instead first agony where dogs be biting your ass thinking its the poision that is killing you

[craggy pond]

i struggled way more with second umbral, specifically stage 2, though way more here just means it took me more than 1 try

because the first umbral was a complete joke

[edgy crater]

chen : so u got flip

[scenic radish]

took a bunch of tries but I got it. Honestly, boss 3 seems better fought with a stagger team than avy team but I wanted to beat it with her

[potent hornet]

i had the first charger down before the 2nd even spawned...

[smoky quarry]

I coudn't complete toxic myst until I got ardelia in the team. You either clear under 2 minutes or die from cancer

[potent hornet]

good job

[lean pawn]

good stuff

[craggy pond]

at first i thought you're supposed to take them down at the same time because of the description, so i tried to hold back

[modest thorn]

i couldn't have killed the first one that fast anyways cause i was using laeva

[lean pawn]

the poison tick is not what kills you its the dogs...

[scenic radish]

I wish I knew what a hard yakka is

[craggy pond]

biggest mistake, costed me 2 runs just to realize i'd have no window to attack if both survive

[potent hornet]

that would have been a much more fun mechanic. respawns if you don't kill within 5 seconds of eachother

just give us mini Molten Core mechanics in the endgame stuff

[scenic radish]

throne watcher and throne defender

[edgy crater]

tbh, really hope they spawn like 4

or just 2 from the begining

[lean pawn]

If you didnt have any way to interrupt youll be cooked

[potent hornet]

Watching Laevs fail that stage fuels my joy

[modest thorn]

endgame better be the most diabolical bullet hell ever designed

[craggy pond]

or better yet, if you don't kill the second one within 5s of the first, you lose

[lean pawn]

3 would be minimum idk about 4

[edgy crater]

nah u can

[craggy pond]

that could be a real headache

[lean pawn]

I feel 3 is nice challenge idk about 4...

[scenic radish]

challenge boss mode, this time the marble has 8 tentacles

[potent hornet]

Give me Rhod, Tri, and marble at the same time

[lean pawn]

Sure let them spam your ass

[smoky quarry]

It does kills you in 2 minutes if you don't have heal, even if you dodge everything

[gritty briar]

let me fight 2 rhodagn

[wind nebula]

I know we're all excited for EtChSpAcE sAlVaGe

[craggy pond]

hot take, not as bad as 3 rams

[smoky quarry]

I had enough of this ass mode

please no

[craggy pond]

at least you have space with the 3 bosses combined

[edgy crater]

btw anyone notice dat if u got lr locking on enemies, let say the gap between them its 5 mob, if u fs the mob in front of u, the locked target still spawn the mirage

[honest hill]

they could make it everytime u stagger them (including breakpoints) their damage and how aggro they are increases

[lean pawn]

Ye ik but even with healer, you still get unpredictable damages and then you fault the poision which isnt the case

[craggy pond]

with 2 rams attacking at the same time, the only thing i could do is dodge

[potent hornet]

until tri is throwing beams at you during marble meteors and Rhod is center stage yelling shockwaves

[craggy pond]

literally

[smoky quarry]

They had absolutely no cooldowns for some reason

[potent hornet]

its 3 charges then the aoe

every time

[craggy pond]

it's not even about not being able to survive, but you'd most likely either run out of stamina or never be able to damage them

[lean pawn]

Less enemy spam that adds unpredictability and dps check just add more cool pattern to learn and make it into dark soul experience

[edgy crater]

matador? they have good window to be attacked

[gritty briar]

2 marbles

[smoky quarry]

lost my marbles

[edgy crater]

7 puddle spam

[lean pawn]

Thats why 3 seems like the gold mine, 4 is too much at that point

[smoky quarry]

Can we get more DS style bosses?

[lean pawn]

DS?

[smoky quarry]

Dark Souls

[old condor]

for the rams i just sat there with my back to the wall and just used iframes from dodge
if they charge head on into wall they dont move

[lean pawn]

Play catcher lv 1 against lv 90 marble xd@smoky quarry

[edgy crater]

we get horseman from elden ring as new boss

[smoky quarry]

Are we getting radahn in 1.2?

[craggy pond]

i mean if it takes 3 ult to kill my stubborn ass then maybe it's fate

[lean pawn]

More dark souls less enemy spam bs

[edgy crater]

maybe lol

[smoky quarry]

Triageloid was peak GI boss design lol

Faceless, boring and slow

[honest hill]

Rhodagn's big brother

[lean pawn]

I added in survey how 3 phases was unecessary

[craggy pond]

it's literally a gi boss rip off

[honest hill]

would be cool if we had a dragon boss that blinds you temporarily

[gritty briar]

Hearing chen say "again?" was funny tho

[craggy pond]

it feels like a combination of all the cube bosses

idr their names atp

[terse valley]

that's crazy i didn't know mhy invented a faceless mineral boss

[smoky quarry]

This

I forgot them too lol

[lean pawn]

Bit random with the blindness

[smoky quarry]

so forgettable

[lean pawn]

Marble was the coolest boss so far, really fun to fight

[honest hill]

I mean it could just be when the phase changes

[lean pawn]

Could be in dark soul fr

[smoky quarry]

I like her spear combo

it was unexpected first couple of times

[lean pawn]

yes its so satisfying

[lean pawn]

dragon would fit to wuling we got a tiger mini boss

That tiger is really cool to fight as well

[smoky quarry]

To the important questions

Are we getting redeem codes?

[honest hill]

yeah

[lean pawn]

maybe when 1.1 comes

[jagged stump]

those 3 fat fuck in secret cave...

[honest hill]

I want a dragon boss

[lean pawn]

3 fat treasure wait you mean the worms?

[smoky quarry]

I liked chinese new year

Not that I liked event itself, it was absolute ass, but rewards were way too generous

The priorities man

[lean pawn]

Thats chinese year for you

[smoky quarry]

... And we got nothing on 14th february

just like irl

[lean pawn]

They prob wont be as generous to the extend of new year

[jagged stump]

no the fat crocodile frog-like elite creature

[lean pawn]

The one that rolls around?

[jagged stump]

yeah

[lean pawn]

They aint difficult

The worm were more headache in vaelly 4

[smoky quarry]

just utterly annoying

arena with 3 frogs is hell

[lean pawn]

umbral monument be like...

[smoky quarry]

worm is absolutely stationary and is countered by switching to ranged operator

this bitch rolls around at mach 1

[jagged stump]

1 is fine, but the 3 all at once in the chest room is annoying lmao

[craggy pond]

i didn't even remember how that stage went

[lean pawn]

Inb4 they gonna nerf cause peep be complaining on the frogs

[craggy pond]

it's so unremarkable to me

[lean pawn]

Altho man I dont want to umbral monument with wuling enemies....give me just elite bosses

[smoky quarry]

rakebeast is gonna be tough if they'll put three of them in a shoebox arena

[lean pawn]

I dont think they would 🤔

Then again we had cool 2 elite boss in first agony third stage

That was cool honestly

[jagged stump]

compared other stages

yeah

[lean pawn]

The only stage where I didnt need ardelia

[smoky quarry]

I like 2-3 more

[odd wren]

The crush after endmin ult its just off the frame

[lean pawn]

Like I still dont understand why mofos enjoyed the previous stages, laev does carry lot in that factor huuuh...

[honest hill]

Oh makes sense

[gritty briar]

oh yeah, speaking of 3 phases
My friend was doing triangle in story while our friend group was watching and he kept dying and was just tickling away phase 2 with ardelia.
He asked us how many phases and we all just started saying random numbers like 4, 27, etc and he gaslit himself into believing that phase 2 was the last one

and then he hit phase 3 and alt f4'd

[lean pawn]

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Silksong type of moment

[odd wren]

Tbf it was just a lucky crit on chen ult + endmin ult then finish of with a fully buffed crush

[jagged stump]

while rock solid is just... meh the bosst just stay still and die after 1 nuke

[honest hill]

[lean pawn]

I first tried the boss, but my adrenaline was on the roof and then I was like WHAT you mean theres another phase and why is he spamming so much attacks

Ember and ardelia were a big safe

And like I got constantnly hit and my camera was not ideal to find his ass, cause of my adrenaline I felt shaky, so ember was the one who always countered him and then my teammate jumped him

[odd wren]

I literally tried it haha i did a 2nd phase coz my chen ult and endmin ult didnt crit xd

[lean pawn]

Reminds me of oceanid in more annoying version

Ill be glad if they nerf him just for the annoying factor not that he is difficult

But only triag

At least remove some of his animation

[odd wren]

You havent seen last rite one hit every phase of triaggelos xd

[potent hornet]

yea tri is only difficult on his 2nd phase if you don't have gilb with LR

[edgy crater]

pray rng crit if ur lr not p3+ lol

[odd wren]

Yes of course crit malding xd

[lean pawn]

Not difficult, only boring, phys team can easy stall his ass

[edgy crater]

yeah n u only got like 1-3 hit chance before p2 doritos start nuking

[lean pawn]

What about laev?

[odd wren]

Needs perfect framing xd

[odd wren]

I have no idea hahaha

[edgy crater]

nah, its perfect timing + crit malding

well, at least after update, u dont need to spank rhodagon everytime u failed to do dat

[odd wren]

True dat i can finally crit mald properly

[lean pawn]

I wished it also would charge our ult fully

[edgy crater]

it does

[potent hornet]

it will*

[edgy crater]

new update will full hp + ulti ready whenver u enter crisis etc

[odd wren]

So yeah

You can finally do screenshot dps properly

[edgy crater]

food damage stock

n yeah, easier to damage per screenshot

[gritty briar]

is the full hp optional?

[lean pawn]

Hell ye

[lean pawn]

Just dodge

[gritty briar]

like what if i want to be low hp for some crazy catcher combo skill prep?

[lean pawn]

Ig it has merits for no hit run to refresh

[lean pawn]

Catcher is a berserker?

[gritty briar]

catcher combo skill req is 40% hp or lower

so maybe that could be a strat for a funny clear one day

starting at low hp

[lean pawn]

How do you activate his combo?

[gritty briar]

or was it missing 40%?

something like that

[gritty briar]

either get hit while missing hp, or it goes up when an enemy charges an interruptable attack

and parrying counts as getting hit btw

so if you're low hp and parry it also counts

i don't really think it ever benefits a run enough to do this but it is kinda funny that starting at low hp has some potential benefit in this case

his combo skill isn't even very strong

[wind nebula]

Why are we ignoring that it pops when the enemy casts a red skill?

[lean pawn]

Any dps count for dark soul catcher boss rush

[gritty briar]

"or it goes up when an enemy charges an interruptable attack"

i did mention it

but rhodagn doesn't charge anything in phase 1 so you don't even get to trigger the combo until phase 2 unless you lose some hp

[signal palm]

@cinder oxide I reviewed Sciel's video and found out Pogranichnik does actually give multiple stacks of fervent morale to other ops if they trigger his shieldguards multiple times by dealing physical statuses after his ultimate, it's the top leftmost icon under Pog, Da Pan, and Chen in the picture that looks like three shields with a double arrow up on the middle shield

So the correct rotation becomes like this:
Pog Ult > Da Pan Ult > Da Pan Combo > Lifeng Combo (Link) + Chen Ultimate before Da Pan combo hits to trigger staggered state, with maybe a Lifeng/Da Pan battle skill + Chen combo sometime before Da Pan Combo if the extra stagger is needed

Da Pan Ult (2 vulnerability) + Combo (crush) gives him 3 stacks of fervent morale which is ATK +24% and Arts Intensity +24, a huge increase in crush damage
Edit: An operator can only have up to 3 stacks of fervent morale, if you try to stack more than 3 it just refreshes the third stack (stacks have a 10s duration)

This also means that everyone who uses Pog's ultimate before his combo skill are actually griefing their damage since his 3-slash combo skill also triggers the shieldguards and steals 3/5 stacks of fervent morale from Da Pan/Chen who could have gotten it instead, found this out after I noticed I was doing visibly less damage when I made this mistake

[wind nebula]

I'm happy for you but oh boy I could never break it down to this level

[signal palm]

i have a boss fighting addiction so I do like 20 boss fights a day and keep optimizing my rotation

[cinder oxide]

Yeah that checks out actually. I could never have planned this out myself but thank you for making the commitment to checking!

[signal palm]

also found out crushing twice with da pan without breach on rhodagn to trigger stage 2 as fast as possible is actually faster than breach + crush, you breach only on the second stage, if you breach on both stages the clear time difference is ~5-10 seconds slower

i know it sounds terrorist to crush without breach but clear time without breaching on stage 1 is around 65-70s

[odd wren]

20sdapanclear

[cinder oxide]

That makes sense since the total dmg from 2 crushers gets further in phase 1 Rhodagn

[odd wren]

[cinder oxide]

I don’t consider this legal

[odd wren]

But why xd

[cinder oxide]

Pot5 everything lmao

[odd wren]

O i dont thibk he pot 5 everything xd

Lemme chexk his vid again

[signal palm]

did some more testing and there's a correction I need to make, operators can only have up to 3 stacks of fervent morale not all 5 Pog's ultimate can give out

when I tried to stack more than 3 on panda it just refreshed the duration of the third stack

very sad, no 5 stack memeing

crit with 3 fervent morale stacks, boss died to the crush so the normal 650% part of his combo skill didn't register lol

[odd wren]

17 second clear new one hahaha

[edgy crater]

same guy who did 25s?

[jagged stump]

https://tenor.com/view/capisce-owl-blink-tilt-head-huh-gif-16568093

me watching

[odd wren]

Im not sure but doesnt seem like it

[odd wren]

I recorded in mobile soo

[cinder oxide]

Max pot

GV
MB
Therm
Exemplar
Damn ok

[odd wren]

Haha yeah damn ok

[edgy crater]

max mb

[odd wren]

But his artifice was 0

[cinder oxide]

I don’t think that matters when max pot wps lmao

[odd wren]

I should try leveling my dapan up

And see if i can

Do something like p2 exemplar

[cinder oxide]

Da Pan does fat dps trust

[potent hornet]

waiting on 2 sanity so i can dump it all in 20 seconds on some essences

[cinder oxide]

Just gotta get that AI up

[odd wren]

Problem is i have p0 thermite

My damage should be lower af

[potent hornet]

well the hard part is getting the thermite

[cinder oxide]

Therm is such a hard thing to farm

Well

Tangtang wp banner will carry

[odd wren]

Coz it gives more damage to chen the never rest

[cinder oxide]

Yall have seen the tt banner wp alr right

[odd wren]

Im ok with the valiant p5

Problem is thermite and exemplar

Thermite is hard to get and can only get from gilb weapon banner atm

[potent hornet]

i still need never rest

[odd wren]

[odd wren]

I have 2 p5s xd

[dawn patrol]

i hope thermite is on rossi wep banner

[dawn patrol]

[cinder oxide]

@dawn patrol unfortunately Rossi banner is ass

Tangtang banner has everything

[potent hornet]

not gonna lie tangtang banner is fire

[dawn patrol]

hg needs to get the fuck out of the kitchen

[cinder oxide]

Therm JET Sundered prince

All on TT

[elfin smelt]

we have her weapon issue data already?

[cinder oxide]

Also note WEDGE IS ON FKIN EVERY SINGLE LIMITED BANNER

[potent hornet]

wedge and chiv are also useful

[odd wren]

[cinder oxide]

Yeah Twitter post of all places

[odd wren]

I'll just wait xd

[cinder oxide]

@elfin smelt

[elfin smelt]

I dont have twitter, appreciated

[dawn patrol]

fuck man why is rossi banner so ass

[odd wren]

For another physical buffer

But i will try dapan

[cinder oxide]

You can check on here too it’s in #twitterfeed

[odd wren]

[ocean hawk]

well, just like the weapon name "wedge" get "wedged"

[odd wren]

Insert dapan on chen slot

[potent hornet]

i wanted one until i managed to get artzy

[terse valley]

I'm wedging it

[odd wren]

[cinder oxide]

Rossi banner is basically decent only for Ascent and Valient

So phys mfs

Also clannibal on TT

[ocean hawk]

ey ey ey

[potent hornet]

duuuuuude go farm that never rest essence

[odd wren]

Im good with it

[cinder oxide]

No point

[odd wren]

I only use it for buffs anyway

[cinder oxide]

Pog isn’t doing dps for shit

[potent hornet]

because he doesn't have the attack stat!!

[terse valley]

yknow never rest has the same essence as thermite

[cinder oxide]

No it’s cos his skills have shit dmg mults

[odd wren]

Yes so purple is foine

Purple with 3 flow

[potent hornet]

so just cut off his bottom end by not farming the essence that raises it?

odd choice

[cinder oxide]

Yeah no point after all.

Even with a max essence

[odd wren]

No point he doesnt do damage at all

[cinder oxide]

His team dps is less than 10%

[odd wren]

Maybe even 5%

[cinder oxide]

Might as well spend on your mdps and subdps or just a new team

[odd wren]

I need to farm tcreds

So i build dapan next patch

[signal palm]

non fully upgraded da pan still does 642k without crits with a perfect rotation, p0 exemplar and 4/4/2 essence

[potent hornet]

that is just an odd way of thinking from my perspective

[cinder oxide]

Solid solid

[cinder oxide]

People have done the math

[elfin smelt]

Im lowkey just waiting for more sundering and stanza pots, daily rotation has been ass lately

[cinder oxide]

Same logic with Wulfguard tbh

[odd wren]

Sundering steel and stanza?

[cinder oxide]

My Wulf has 1111 and essence is like 131

[elfin smelt]

ya

[cinder oxide]

Just enough to hit ult breakpoints

Not enough to do any dps

[odd wren]

You dont need to max everything for support classes

[potent hornet]

i get that, knowing that he doesn't do much dmg and then not at least getting his best dmg possible for the team to make sure you reach that baseline doesn't make sense to me

[cinder oxide]

Yeah that’s why all my Wulf skills are lvl 1 like I said

[odd wren]

Even at maxed pot he still do less based on calculation he's just there as a literal sp generator and buffer

Unlike lifeng

[cinder oxide]

He’s better served upping the team dmg through stronger breach

[odd wren]

Lifeng is a sneaky mfer

Even with xiranite he deals good amount of damage