theorycrafting

[digital scroll]

Cryo pistol back-to-back

[bronze plume]

mi fu is electric physical clearly

[lean pawn]

Oh ye yvonne and tang tang...bruh is this good enough to riot in survey ..

[digital scroll]

Fangyi needs vulnerability stacks and electric stacks

[lean pawn]

What are these banner choices man

[gritty briar]

Mifu just looks more fire to me

[dawn patrol]

hg's schedule is so cooked i need to strangle them

[proud vector]

Idk it might be nice to be able to get Yvonne spook in Tangtang banner

[lost void]

Akekuri giving link buff to Rossi ult

[lean pawn]

They gone for year ig

[lean pawn]

Mifu be the new antal supporting both laev and zhuang my hope cope

[gritty briar]

i know she summons the gauntlet with electrical effects but there's the heat aura and fire explosions she does

[lost void]

For team shatter aka Endmin

[digital scroll]

Electricity causes fire

🔥

[bronze plume]

her fist is just a electric lighter

[lost void]

Mi Fu the first electro defender 🙂

[gritty briar]

watch her actually be hybrid electric heat

[digital scroll]

Probably

[bronze plume]

Mi Fu the first nature dps

[lean pawn]

They made yvonne so "weak" just to spit tang tang right after yvonne expires, crazy work..

[digital scroll]

Antel stocks

[lost void]

Yvonne, Tang tang, fluorite gunner team

[lean pawn]

Thats what I said

[lost void]

I can already see Tangtang breaking the game her ulti can cancel boss action right in the middle of their animation...

Faceless void's chrono sphere but with DoT

[bronze plume]

what weapon(s) buff both heat and elec?

[dawn patrol]

obj edge of lightness

[lost void]

Several there's a sword and arts unit

[gritty briar]

obj arts identifier

[drifting berry]

They are already doing advertisement for Mifu and Fangyi on 1.2

[lost void]

There's promoting shatter team really hard.

[lean pawn]

?

Endmin yonne?

[lost void]

yeah solidification/forced solidification and hard cc

Thing is xaihi isn't as compatible to shatter team compared to full cryo team so Tangtang can somewhat replace Xaihi.

[lean pawn]

Did not workout yet

At least not to the meta extend

[glass birch]

why would xaihi be on shatter?

[lost void]

There's much option since if you currently go shatter comp that's definitely 2/4 slots from the team already taken with Endmin+Alesh
or Alesh+Estelle
Actually Alesh+Yvonne also work
and you may need Xaihi for the BS + heals/solidification or Snowshine for heals/ult

[twilit nebula]

How do u shatter when yvonne got no phys debuff

[lost void]

Endmin, Estelle, Alesh or other phys like Pog, Li Feng if your team is more on phys side.

[twilit nebula]

Then jus go full phys why add yvonne :/

[hasty grail]

cause she gives double solid for 2 shatters in one rotato

[twilit nebula]

Wut

[lost void]

Cause aside from Alesh she's the only other character that can force solidify and spam cryo.

[hasty grail]

skill solid -> estella shatter -> combo solidifies -> endmin crushatter

[twilit nebula]

Ngl mifu might be phys shatter

[lost void]

Gilberta, Yvonne, Estella,Alesh works too

[twilit nebula]

Every patch they release a phys unit ong

[lost void]

Yvonne ult also consumes cryorxn

[twilit nebula]

The bulk of ur dmg would be from shatter and usin yvonne jus for utility is wasteful when she's arts dps

[hasty grail]

you just skip the crushatter and just do a normal crush during the rotation with yvonne ult

[lost void]

What team you using now on Shatter team?

[hasty grail]

I use yvonne, gilberta, endmin, estella
gilberta adds vuln stacks and increases arts damage at the same time
estella adds 2 vuln stacks each rotation
yvonne cause the double shatter potential I mentioned before

[twilit nebula]

I run alesh instead of estella
Can get alesh sp back from first gilberta shatter with combo then wait 9sec consume endmin combo for another alesh combo

[smoky quarry]

Did someone said solid?

[bronze plume]

solid snake? somehting about theorycrafting

[modern swift]

would tangtang work in the phys shatter team

[proud vector]

Not really

The team does primarily physical damage so her cyro susc isn’t helping too much

[modern swift]

true she'd just be a worse estella 😭

[smoky quarry]

Aggeloid triangle in third phase can become invisible

[terse valley]

btw how big is the difference here?

[summer flower]

With one infliction, Yvonne can make is you can shatter twice I think

[proud vector]

What use is just shattering at solidification lv 1 though

All current shatter teams are based around shatter being a kit requirement to trigger some good stuffs in operator kits, not for just shatter damage

—-
Yvonne creates it as kind of a byproduct of getting energy by consuming inflictions, and it also boosts ultimate damage

Estelle converts it into 2 Vulns and a phys susc which is not bad.

—-
We unfortunately don’t have a DPS that really just prints inflictions with no way to use them yet, meaning no true arts reaction for damage comp, unless Tangtang will be able to rival LR and Yvonne as main dps without use of her inflictions herself. Though I see a world where main DPS TT may be ok given you can just run Perlica to make the excess cyro inflictions a high level electrification

[lost void]

Since I don't have Yvonne, I just use budget f2p: Gilberta, Endmin,Alesh,Estella

[summer flicker]

im hoping for tangtang mdps be good

since im thinking of building her that way too

my account in the future: two cyro gun maindps

[bronze plume]

im hoping for rossi to be good by 1.4

[normal tangle]

idk all of our casters have like mediocre personal dmg at best

guards are the only ones doing anything fr

[glass wind]

Anyone have the graph for combustion?

[summer flicker]

perlica do good dmg

[normal tangle]

?

what graph

[bronze plume]

casters feel more like sub dpses at best for dmg atm

[normal tangle]

she does okay dmg for a caster

you can't cope mdps her though

[gritty briar]

i do

[bronze plume]

tbf people cope main dps wulf

[normal tangle]

well right now you can because this game is piss easy, but it is considerably worse than everything else

[neon knot]

what's the reasoning for using main dps chen?

[proud vector]

solo Chen is a funny haha challenge team

Chen also has decent damage contribution due to ult doing good damage

The phys team is 4 subdps in a trenchcoat tbh

Idk if Chen can be called main dps in there - usually that title would go tentatively to your crush source

[neon knot]

I see some people will drive with Chen instead if endming.. but i never understood why cause Chen combos so often it interrupts her final attack

[normal tangle]

just delay your combo until after you final strike

[gritty briar]

i've heard good things about chen basics but i've never really tried them

also i assume you can combo immediately after final strike to animation cancel the endlag as well

[neon knot]

which just feels... wrong, cause if you use them immediately off cd you can technically squeeze in more combos since they're so short

[gaunt mason]

you’re bottlenecked by the other’s combo cooldowns

[neon knot]

guess for me its more fun to just press flashy buttons the moment they show up

[gritty briar]

chen combo animation doesn't look that long

[summer flower]

Base damage for shatter

And Phys wants to apply those vunls anyway

[proud vector]

it’s not much tbh

Unless there is some heavenly way to actually build to lv4 solidify outside of Yvonne (which case you use Gilb)

[summer flower]

480%

Isn't that close to 3 vunl crush?

[lost void]

It depends on your shatter comp and multipliers at play

[proud vector]

Before or after level modifiers?

[summer flower]

Before i think

Table from wiki

[proud vector]

Crush is 150 +150 per vuln no?

[gritty briar]

wiki is before level mods yes

[summer flower]

Think so

Wait lemme check

[proud vector]

A 3 vuln is 600 before modifiers

[summer flower]

Yep

[proud vector]

But phys modifier is lower than arts one

[lost void]

nvm edit

[proud vector]

Neither

It’s the base MV without any modifiers including level

[summer flower]

Is there modifier for Phys?

[proud vector]

Yeah

[summer flower]

So yea, 240% x2

[proud vector]

A base shatter is 200% + 200% per level

Er

[lost void]

Rossi phys debuff is bleed

[proud vector]

The initial solidification is considered a reaction

And uses 80% + 80%

[summer flower]

Does forced works like reaction?

[proud vector]

I don’t even know if it even triggers for yvoone’s forced one

[summer flower]

Yea...

[proud vector]

Yvonne only has a single damage line for it

[gritty briar]

wdym like a reaction?

[proud vector]

The shatter itself gains the levels

[dry kindle]

Force applies don't trigger the initial damage

[lost void]

not if you target cycling, tab

[summer flower]

Okay, so yea forced no damage

[proud vector]

??

What I mean to say is landing a Yvonne battle skill only has one line of damage, indicating that the solidification doesn’t do damage separately

[dry kindle]

Normal solidification does

[proud vector]

Indicating forced solidification does not do initial damage

I’m not sure if it’s the same for Alesh tbh

[summer flower]

Yea, I wasn't even thinking about solidification damage

[pure spoke]

Tangtang when

[summer flower]

I was more thinking of weaving shatter

Into crush

[gritty briar]

none of the forced arts reactions do their initial damage

dunno if the phys ones do actually

cause there's forced lift

[summer flower]

Phys isn't art reaction by game

[proud vector]

See the idea is that Estella shatters for you if you have any crush based ideas

And she needs to do this since this applies a physical susc

[summer flower]

Hmm does estalla trigger Chen?

[proud vector]

Yep she lifts as part of the shattering attack
Her combo skill triggers on shatter and applies lift + phys susc

[gritty briar]

it should

[summer flower]

So Yvonne battleskill, hold onto Estella, Yvonne combo, Estella combo, Chen combo

[proud vector]

One could do this in theory yes

[summer flower]

That's all one SP 2 vunl 2 shatter

[proud vector]

I personally find that Alesh outperforms due to SP efficiency

Well no, doesn’t Yvonne have to consume an infliction to solidify?

[summer flower]

Alesh is slot without double solidification

Ohh f

Cryo infliction

So estalla skill would be have to be used

[proud vector]

… does she or not? I dunno I don’t have her

[summer flower]

That moves it to 2 sp

[proud vector]

Yes she does need an infliction

[summer flower]

Ohh

[proud vector]

Alesh on the other hand applies the infliction he needs via his ultimate

So he is 1sp bar to solidify

(With SP gains along the way so it’s technically less)

[summer flower]

It's same sp count, and solidification shatter combo skill seems important to have sp-less

Issue is, I don't see endmin in that team

[glass wind]

Anyone got a graph for all the Art reactions per stack?

[summer flower]

Like okay ehh

Unless longer rotation?

[proud vector]

Do maffs

[summer flower]

Endfield Talos wiki

[proud vector]

If we are optimising for working rotation yeah sure

If we are optimising for damage oof ouchie argh

[gritty briar]

there's this if you want the numbers after level scaling
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/mobilebasic

[proud vector]

longer rotation baaaaad

Stuck basic attacking

[glass wind]

I found one

So combust is just 10 secs

[proud vector]

Mhm

[summer flower]

Maybe panda?

But doesn't da pan have long CD on combo?

[proud vector]

Talent helps to reduce it I suppose

[summer flower]

Hmm... 17 Vs 19

Hmmm... That could work perhaps?

[glass wind]

I need a 6 star Wolfgard

[summer flower]

Okay, does someone have panda, Yvonne, estalla and Chen built to test this?

Or do I have to build 3/4 of them?

[proud vector]

without testing

Have you considered how long it will take to get to Yvonne ultimate?

[summer flower]

Ultimate?

[gritty briar]

are you just trying to make a phys shatter team with yvonne?

[summer flower]

It's BS + combo skill

[glass wind]

I dont think thats gonna work. Chen and Da Pan will break solidification multiple times

[summer flower]

It's Yvonne support

[proud vector]

[summer flower]

Yvonne is to provide solidification

[glass wind]

Yvonne needs to be active to use her Combo skill

[proud vector]

Well I suppose one could use Yvonne as a pure support…

[summer flower]

Yes, no need to be active with any other

[proud vector]

she’s pretty argh at it though compared to the alternatives

A bit of an oofie ouchies

[summer flower]

I could check with endmin

[gritty briar]

Is there any reason for it to be yvonne over any other infliction applier? If you need to use 2 sp anyways you could get a solidify with anyone with another infliction + estella B skill right?

[summer flower]

But endmin having crush behind SP is... Ehh

[gritty briar]

i guess it gets you an extra level 1 solidification with her combo skill but does that do anything?

[summer flower]

Estella is non SP vunl

Wait...

Yea no, plus for yvonne

Is that single operator for two solidifications

[proud vector]

:I
Yvonne causes SP problems
Blames SP problems on Endmin

You would make a great politician

[glass wind]

Just use Alesh

[proud vector]

Or Akekuri

[gritty briar]

but is the second solidification doing anything aside from just providing a tiny bit of damage?

like i know the first one matters cause estella shatter for suscept

[glass wind]

Freeze

[gritty briar]

but the second one is just damage right?

[glass wind]

Rather use Tangtang than Yvonne

[summer flower]

Alesh is single solidification

Yvonne is two

[gritty briar]

but what is the second solidification actually doing?

just a damage proc or are you like holding on to it till another estella cycle to get one for free?

[glass wind]

Yvonne needs to be active and attack with Last hit before triggering her combo skill.

[summer flower]

It's two shatters in row

[potent hornet]

TT sig essence is agi/atk/deto?

[proud vector]

there is a critical lack of mutual frame of reference

[summer flower]

Perhaps

[proud vector]

Advice has been given. The team will technically function but Yvonne will have incredibly slow ult charge speed and damage won’t be very high

[gritty briar]

is the 2nd shatter to trigger something or is it just for the shatter damage? i kinda doubt a level 1 shatter is doing that much...

[summer flower]

Okay, I guess I'll do it with endmin and you record it

[proud vector]

Feel free to try this team personally.

[glass wind]

They want her to be supp

[summer flower]

Both shatters are like similar in total % to like lv3 crush aren't they?

[proud vector]

she gets gapped pretty hard by Akekuri in that role even

[glass wind]

Just go Akekuri and freeze with tangtang

[gritty briar]

well, i guess that's true

[summer flower]

Oh yea just use not yet released opeator

[proud vector]

Not really

[glass wind]

Shatter is weaker than crush iirc

[proud vector]

The shatter from combo skill is level 1 and only the shatter part

[gritty briar]

i think he means 2 shatters combined

[proud vector]

349%

[summer flower]

Two shatter combined

[proud vector]

In this team, you do not stack enough cyro to go above level 1

[gritty briar]

lv3 crush is like 750

close enough

[glass wind]

Iirc i talked to someone about Yvonne's solidification stacks. Since its special trigger, its only level 1

[gritty briar]

yeah we know it's level 1

he said 2 of them

[summer flower]

Yea we know

[proud vector]

….hm

[gritty briar]

which is actually pretty close to a level 3 crush

it's like 700% in total

[proud vector]

If the whole end goal of this was to add a lv 1 shatter into Endmin’s crush…

I mean, the base idea has a little merit since grand vision would work with that

So will Endmin’s rock cancer 20%

[summer flower]

You might be mislead

I think da pan might be better

For that strategy

Cause missing vunls due to operator without vunls fitted

[glass wind]

How do you time the freeze when youre trying to stack vult

[summer flower]

You freeze, you vunl, shatter happens

[proud vector]

No no this has applications funnily enough

[summer flower]

You do it twice

[proud vector]

In a normal Alesh team you could technically double solidity if you have like massive SP to burn from downtime

[summer flower]

Then you get 3 or 4 for crush

[proud vector]

Slotting in a lv 1 solidify into Endmin’s crush is

Actually interesting…

[glass wind]

Thats like 3 skill usage already

[proud vector]

Yeah it’s crazy SP expensive but

[summer flower]

Da pan could take 2vunl, and go to crush from it

[proud vector]

It’s a niche scenario optimisation when you overflow SP

[summer flower]

With no SP even right?

[proud vector]

We are having seperate conversations

[summer flower]

So with ultimate starting that will be future

[gritty briar]

endmin's got that grand vision arts int

hmm

[summer flower]

You going to end up shatter lv1 X2 and crush lv4 on da pan

[gritty briar]

well one of the shatters would be on estella no?

[summer flower]

One Estella one chen

Does endmin even shatters?

[gritty briar]

crush shatters yes

[summer flower]

Ehh.. O.O

[proud vector]

Hear me out

We usually Chen BS once to get to 4 vuln

If we have an additional SP bar one could theoretically Estella and Alesh in place of that Chen BS

This adds a lv1 shatter into Endmin’s crush in place of a vuln

…. Hmm

[gritty briar]

i see the vision

...the grand vision

[proud vector]

there is knowledge to be gained even in the unlikeliest of places

The grando vision indeed

[quick jungle]

any physical enjoyers going to get rossi

[proud vector]

Probably

Idk

[summer flower]

I'll try

[quick jungle]

I'm thinking of putting endmin rossi wulfgard estella as a team

[glass wind]

Id rather just debuff enemy with Breach and Physical Susceptibility than waste sp on Shatter for Crush.

[quick jungle]

since no gibby

and then my current phys team will replace endmin with da pan

[proud vector]

I’m a major Estella fan so go away stinky 6* phys enjoyer

Joking aside yeah full phys is pretty good, when we start talking shatter the team is niche

[summer flower]

Estella gives Phys susc

[proud vector]

So does Lifeng tbf

Lifeng ult even gives 2 vulns

[summer flower]

Yea I don't have lifeng

[proud vector]

and his combo skill gives link

[summer flower]

No slots in this team, endmin/pog/da pan required as 4th

[quick jungle]

combo skill giving link is kinda fucked the more i think about it

[summer flower]

Unless swapped out Chen?

[gritty briar]

lifeng just has everything

[summer flower]

Anyway don't have lifeng

Hoarding selector to fill last 6* standard

And missing two

[quick jungle]

the only 6* ive gotten from the standard and beginner banners are lifeng 💀

[bronze plume]

lifeng maxxing

[summer flower]

Okay, so Yvonne, estella, Chen endmin okay... If I record that at later time will you judge how it's working or not?

[glass wind]

We're still in 1.0. There will be better chars to use than these guys

[quick jungle]

i kinda want leek

then i can actually make an arts team

[proud vector]

They leek officially almost everything

For 1.1

[quick jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/zhang-fangy-zhang-fangy-arknights-endfield-arknights-endfield-zhang-fangy-arknights-gif-15633882914323395628

[lost dirge]

don't think that's the leek he's talking about

[quick jungle]

i love a woman with a giant ass sword

[proud vector]

O

Lady leek

With the big ass sword

The electro/physical hybrid lady because she wants to be in a team with endmin

[summer flower]

We need gif of endmin doing the leek song dance with her in hand

[lost dirge]

oh god, pls no

I don't want her to be shit

[summer flower]

Ohh yes

[quick jungle]

HYPERGYPH MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[proud vector]

Rossi has traumatised us with her hybrid scaling

[summer flower]

How overpowered operator has to be, to not be hated for split damage?

[bronze plume]

very

[proud vector]

Alternatively

[summer flower]

Like at this point I think one shotting rhogodan solo wouldn't fix it

[bronze plume]

thats the problem with split dmg in majority of games

[quick jungle]

if they were pure support it wouldnt really matter

[lost dirge]

how does electro and physical even work together to begin with? surely electrification make that impossible

[proud vector]

Skills that act as both phys AND arts for the sake of buff/debuffp

Would be insanely strong

True hybrid

[summer flower]

Art intesity

[quick jungle]

if they make like a dedicated shatter support im pulling

[summer flower]

Let's go

[proud vector]

…. Wait

[quick jungle]

honestly corrosion works for phys too no

[summer flower]

Anyway, I feel encouraged to be going into those split damage TCs

[proud vector]

If we add a cyro to the Rossi team

[quick jungle]

like a ardelia kinda support

[summer flower]

Ohh

[proud vector]

We can solidity lv 1 after Rossi ult and before endmin crush

WE BE WILDING

[lost dirge]

what? she's not in there for corrosion though

[summer flower]

And Rossi combo

With 2 vunl

[quick jungle]

ya which is why its kinda ass

[lost dirge]

so yeah, it's not working

[quick jungle]

my rossi team is going to have estella

so its kinda going to be shatter team

[summer flower]

So how would rotation look like?

[proud vector]

Absolutely no idea

It’s just a funny idea at the moment

[quick jungle]

honestly the 2 part rossi combo skill is kinda anti synergy with endmin

[bronze plume]

it would look like pain

all rossis teams are funny looking atm

[quick jungle]

because she'll always break the crystals from endmin combo

[summer flower]

?

[bronze plume]

such is the rossi

[quick jungle]

she's a teensy weensy wonky

but i like her

[summer flower]

You need to trigger endmin combo before her?

Second hit applies vunl doesn't it?

So endmin can go after

[quick jungle]

its a 2 part combo skill

so first part will always queue up endmin's combo

[proud vector]

.
.
.

[summer flower]

Ohh wait... Yea no, you hold

It's when combo skill deals dmg

[quick jungle]

unless you could do they reverse combo thing

[summer flower]

So you don't use endmin too fast

[proud vector]

alternatively be hyper strict with your rotation so endmin doesn’t have a chance of triggering early

[summer flower]

You don't get put into cooldown if you don't use combo skill

Or you can just use before rossi

After combo of different operator, then use ultimate

Rossi needs vunl stack for her combo skill anyway

[quick jungle]

is there like some sort of rotation builder

[proud vector]

There is that Chinese one

[quick jungle]

which

[proud vector]

Huh. Where did I put that link…

[bronze plume]

man idk wtf do to with sanity atm

maybe just tcreds

stock up on it

[proud vector]

https://www.end-axis.com

[quick jungle]

im doing the protohedrons

ohhh tyty

[neat snow]

I'm using my sanity to get a 3/3 essence for every weapon. My luck is insanely bad on these.

[bronze plume]

yeah see i already hate myself enuf to play gachas but i aint that insane

[neat snow]

I'm halfway done 🥲

[bronze plume]

by every

do you mean like

[normal tangle]

essence and tcreds

[bronze plume]

every

[normal tangle]

whatever you're poor on

prolly essence though

events give creds all the time

no event gives essence

[bronze plume]

nah im fine on essence

[potent hornet]

not nearly enough lol

[normal tangle]

you're not fine until you hit the inventory cap

[normal tangle]

idk i have 4m

i think it's fine

[potent hornet]

i spend all of mine

[bronze plume]

do you only have 1 team built?

[potent hornet]

i don't horde, so not nearly enough

[normal tangle]

2

[bronze plume]

how tf do you have 4m with 2 teams

bro im at like 300k

[potent hornet]

feels like a lie

[bronze plume]

have much marks have you used

[tight haven]

perpetually in mat drought

phys is too fucking expensive

[edgy crater]

surtr team really cheap

n probably like shattered/yvonne as 2nd team

[shut cobalt]

is there any issue in putting the mood regen operators in control center at the same time as the ones in the other nodes? (since the mood of all of them would end at around the same time, i assume it wouldnt make use of the control center mood regen but i could be wrong so im asking)

[neat snow]

Every 6 star and the few usable 5 stars

[tight haven]

already finished my essence collection

maxing them is uh

another story

[bronze plume]

i have like 7 or 8 3/3 essence ofr weapons

good enuf

[tight haven]

seems to take me about 4000 sanity to max a single essence lmao

[potent hornet]

got all the ones i need for now, i have ones for things i don't have yet like some of the 6* phys weapons

i think i have TangTangs....agi/atk/deto?

[tight haven]

yep

[pure spoke]

Is that confirmed?

[potent hornet]

thats what i had seen on here, unsure if it is true

think it was datamined

[pure spoke]

Back to the mines then

Essence mines

[bronze plume]

yeah both rossi and tangtangs have been the mined

[edgy crater]

agi atk deto?

dats like hub essence

are sure its not twilight?

cause no way tang2 weap essence being in v4 while shes wuling op

[proud vector]

New map, new alluvium

checkmate

[junior breach]

I mean you cant farm it if you dont know which energy alluvium its from

unless you want to get one from every single energy alluvium

😭

[pure spoke]

At least the wrong ones are useful as coolaid

[junior breach]

just

bank sanity

with double sanity tickets

and spend like 2k worth of sanity at once

you are sure to get it

[pure spoke]

[junior breach]

i also think they mentioned something like an essense select ticket?

from protocol pass

im gonna use that for rossi if its in aquirable range of her release

if not im banking 2k sanity

[glass wind]

[edgy crater]

assuming its not gone for farm protohedron protoset n tcred

[junior breach]

you can just save potions or something

[edgy crater]

ye i know

*then expired

[junior breach]

for me i already uhh

[edgy crater]

[edgy crater]

[junior breach]

so its way easier

[edgy crater]

already burn my sanity

[junior breach]

i thought the sanity discount thing would be something bigger

😭

so yea im just saving this for whether i need to bank everything on rossi essense

and in the meantime i farm 3k credits and other materials

3m*

[edgy crater]

well, dats also with assumption u got her

[proud vector]

Just need 60k and it’s no longer an assumption tbh

[edgy crater]

need 60k

if u have it

[junior breach]

im pot 5ing her

[edgy crater]

[junior breach]

i also got a theory cook team that MIGHT work

it sounds good on paper at least

its a triple sub dps homeless man team

[normal tangle]

oh i don't master skills at all

r9 max xd

[neat snow]

[normal tangle]

i'll master them when i need to

or when i really like a unit

[normal tangle]

the trick is just investing in cheap teams

both laeva team and lr team need like 0 investment aside from the one hypercarry

and i guess xaihi but barely

[neat snow]

Yeah Laev team is actually crazy cost efficient if you played during her banner

[normal tangle]

3.75m, close enough whatever

[neat snow]

Those creds will vanish if you go 90/90 on your team though

[potent hornet]

i take it you don't level your weapons past 80 as well

[normal tangle]

my weapons are 90

so are laeva and lr

why are yall so insistent on calling me a liar

just because you're broke doesn't mean i have to be

🥱

[potent hornet]

because we are baffled that you could have that much

[neat snow]

He is not fully investing his waifus.. Must not love them

[normal tangle]

ur right i don't 🥀

[potent hornet]

i mean i makes a little more sense if they aren't doing masteries

[normal tangle]

i like laeva but lr is kinda like a third wheel

i don't like her that much but i liked the idea of leveling a single target dps

i have p1 yvonne too but she's level 60 and rotting because i don't like her playstyle at all

doing nothing for 30s before blowing it all on ult feels terrible to play

[neat snow]

I just need a few levels on catcher and I will have everyone at 80+. Then I need to do skill ranks

Sadly I must wait for the next banner to get more whale coin

[distant python]

I am always broke

Ember and endmin to 90 as well as their weapons kinda nukes by trecds

[woeful timber]

How tf do you have everyone at 80? I’m struggling to get everyone to 40 while only getting the sups I’m using to 80. Are you leaving your main dps at 80 for now too? Getting Lae and Yvonne to 90 was pretty rough.

[woeful timber]

If you’re doing nothing for 30 seconds on Yvonne and waiting for her ult you’re playing her wrong. She’s pretty much constantly using her battle skill to eat cryo stacks and apply solidify which also charges her ult faster.

[neat snow]

No my main team is all 90/90. I'm using the whale coin from pulls to buy resources

[woeful timber]

Oh I see I see, you mean like the monthly packs?

And weekly resource packs

[modern swift]

No they mean the aic > resources

the aic points u get from pulling

[woeful timber]

Ooooh I see

The ones that you can use for 5 tickets every banner?

For trading in extra tokens

[neat snow]

Yeah it starts slow but once you have everyone p5 it accelerates and you get a ton

Yep

[woeful timber]

Yea honestly I use all those on resources too tbh

Mostly been using them on the resources needed for getting masteries on my skills though so some of my operators levels are still behind

[neat snow]

Yeah I initially used them for mastery resources

It's a nice power spike

I play Laev team so I only needed a few masteries so I can focus xp now

[woeful timber]

Yea once I max all of Yvonne’s masteries I’ll probably stop with the masteries for a bit and focus on leveling everyone more

[woeful timber]

I have Lae maxed out but playing nothing but Lae since launch was getting a bit boring so I’ve been working on my Yvonne team so I can switch around depending on my mood, but we’re still way too early in the game to have enough resources for building 2 full endgame teams.

[neat snow]

My favorite part about the Laev team is it seems completely figured out. No changes being made so easy to commit to

[woeful timber]

Yea and honestly with Akekuri I feel like we’re gonna have another Myrtle situation where even if we get a better heat vanguard they’ll just do more damage and not recover more SP which’ll mean Akekuri won’t depreciate much over time.

[neat snow]

Ake has grown on me immensely. I don't mind not getting a replacement for a couple months and even still yeah she's gonna be a fine and cheap 4th slot for so long to come

[woeful timber]

I dunno if you play OG Arknights but Myrtle is still OP 5 years later

And she’s a 4 star

[calm field]

guess where just surtr it gif comes from

[woeful timber]

A 4 star vanguard

[neat snow]

This is pretty much my first gacha. That makes sense though. They'd have to power creep a decent amount to make a better vanguard in regards to resource Gen

[calm field]

https://tenor.com/view/surtr-arknights-just-use-surtr-gif-24975177

[main nova]

i probably keep pulling on the 1.0 trio to p5 because of the synergy

unless they make better banner which has better synergy

[woeful timber]

The biggest part about Akekuri’s utility is that she recharges 2 sp bars with her ult. The point is that even if they add a heat vanguard that’s better than her, it’ll probably just be better in damage or buffs and won’t negate the crazy SP generation Ake already provides.

[calm field]

youll be surtring the entire game till patch 2.0

[neat snow]

Honestly yes

[main nova]

the rate off in 1.0 actually did not feel bad at all

[neat snow]

I see. And the sp bars are so valuable to Laev comp

[rotund garnet]

were the stats of tangtang's weapon revealed?

[woeful timber]

The same thing happened with OG Arknights vanguards, except they give deployment points instead of SP, but even 6 star vanguards don’t give more dp than 4 star vanguards. They just have better buffs or damage, but the utility from a 4 star is still crazy. I feel like Akekuri will be the same even in a few years because of this.

[normal tangle]

yeah that's just waiting for ult with a fancy label on it

spamming skills that do no dmg to charge ult

[woeful timber]

Bro there’s a specific rotation you should be following and if you’re using her skills to eat cryo stacks and apply solidification she’s still doing a ton of damage outside her ult too.

[proud vector]

Damn rip Rossi is the face of copium now huh?

[normal tangle]

rossi is ember tier gg

[proud vector]

there were 3

Heat phys hybrid? Coincidence? I think not!

[main nova]

if she doing cute pose like Gilberta i definitely pull her tho

no doubt

[normal tangle]

bro she can barely kill a basic miniboss outside ult

[proud vector]

She shreds an apple?

[neat snow]

Gilberta is very cute

[normal tangle]

she does maybe 10% of her dps while waiting for her ult to do the other 90%

[proud vector]

Backended damage

Should have expected that with the size of that rear end

[normal tangle]

if the boss iframes when you ult gg bricked run

[proud vector]

But yeah no the damage profile is kinda fcked

LR at least has decently hard hitting combo skills

[woeful timber]

Bro you could say the same thing about Laevatain, or literally any other dps whose main source of damage is their ult. That’s why you build for ult efficiency so you’re not out of the ult so often and follow proper rotations to get the ult back quick and do as much damage as possible while setting everything up to absolutely nuke the boss during the ult phase. Tell us more about how you just spam skills while waiting for your ult to pop and hope for the best.

[bronze plume]

https://tenor.com/view/laevatain-arknights-endfield-surtr-arknights-darthilles-gif-3659711258853774998

[normal tangle]

?? laeva bskill does a good amount outside of ult what are you on about 😭

[woeful timber]

Bro so does Yvonne’s you just clearly don’t know how to play her

[proud vector]

Man is not a fan of ult based gameplay

[woeful timber]

You’re probably spamming her battle skill without any arts inflictions and wondering why she’s doing no damage

[normal tangle]

when did i ever say that

you're fighting ghosts

i know her rotation

i have played her before

i do not like it

[woeful timber]

That’d be like spamming Lae’s battle skill without melting flame stacks first

[normal tangle]

yes

[proud vector]

Probably this statement?

[bronze plume]

tbf

[proud vector]

This does feel like a “lmao ult does all the damage” statement

[bronze plume]

that is a accurate statement

[modern swift]

In terms of enjoyment the phys and avy teams are more fun to me than cryo and lae

[normal tangle]

okay if we're gonna keep strawmanning the ghosts in our head i can block you and end it there

not worth my time

[bronze plume]

in terms of enjoyment its literally personal opinion

[proud vector]

LR is alright imo

[bronze plume]

i enjoy laev cuz she lets me use ardelia to her full potential

and that to me

[proud vector]

I can’t comment on Yvonne though since no have

[bronze plume]

is a W

[normal tangle]

yeah that's why i play lr instead of yvonne even though i have p1 yvonne

combo skill is nice

[woeful timber]

Man literally can’t handle criticism after complaining about something meaningless and resorts to blocking because he can’t actually defend his opinion. Sorry I didn’t realize I was dealing with a teenager, I’ll try harder not to offend your sensitive ass.

[normal tangle]

"criticism" lmao

[proud vector]

Hey, no need to re-escalate after de-escalation has happened

that’s the real teenager move

[normal tangle]

if you criticize people by saying "you probably do this made up scenario i thought up in my head just now" you're terrible at this

[woeful timber]

Bro whined that Yvonne’s gameplay was sitting around waiting for her ult and started crying because he was told that wasn’t the case

[proud vector]

Oh goddamnit

Now it’s flared back up again

[modern swift]

yeah I saw people play it and then through the trials and missions they make u play her, I didn't like her at all

[proud vector]

[bronze plume]

this is one of the reasons we need a actual good mod system in a official server

[proud vector]

you can say that again; but then again overly zealous mod is like

Horrible

Discord power trips are nasty

[normal tangle]

when everyone's a trainee that never ever actually interacts with the community, the mod team is doomed

i manage moderation for a large server, this one's just cooked

[modern swift]

we're going to get 10 minute slowdown in this chat if u call a mod 🥀 thats all they do

[proud vector]

Honestly I’ve been in worse moderated servers before (the Trickal one was full on Wild West, literal porn got posted lmfaooo)

Even they had better management than here because the community was less toxic lmfao

[bronze plume]

we got dat gacha gamer rizz

of stupid arguments

[peak void]

negative rizz

[proud vector]

The rizz equation does not compute

I still don’t know how Charisma evolved into Rizz

[bronze plume]

if rizz + aura = gacha gamer

find the area of .gyatt

[normal tangle]

it didn't

[proud vector]

.gyatt

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470559890274783234/7gnlhrm4cbee1.png?ex=698bbd1f&is=698a6b9f&hm=3f3ec04d775ce42e3a42e5f8868b92346512b746970e941d537553f53b8baf89&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=720

[normal tangle]

that's just a thing white people made up

[proud vector]

Oh shit really?

[normal tangle]

that's not where the etymolygy for the word comes from

[proud vector]

What’s the origin then?

[bronze plume]

nah it comes from charisma

[normal tangle]

i'm not a linguist man idk, i just hear a lot of them say that it was not from charisma

[proud vector]

K n o w l e d g e

Not attained

I go seek this now

It is a quest

[bronze plume]

its because some people say it like cha-ris-ma

ris aka rizz

and then it got brain rotted to kingdom come like most things

[woeful timber]

It’s just zoomer slang, every generation has their own slang. My parents that I was weird for saying cool.

[normal tangle]

it's the same situation as people trying to say meta stands for "most effective tactic available" even though it definitely doesn't and never has

[woeful timber]

Best to try not to put too much thought into what the next generation uses as slang, our parents thought our slang was just as weird

[bronze plume]

rizz does come from charisma tho

[proud vector]

Damn you Kai, reveal thy secrets!

I think it’s just like streamer buzzword that caught fire and became twisted and mutated

[potent hornet]

yes, top tier theorycrafting always happens late at night

[proud vector]

we may never know the origin

From a word study standpoint rizz is a very unusual shortening for a word

[woeful timber]

Not really

[proud vector]

But if it’s a streamer that popularised it I can see it being unusual and not conforming to standard language evolution

I’m packing a source

[woeful timber]

Compared to some of the other slang zoomers are using nowadays rizz is actually very tame and easily identifiable as charisma

[proud vector]

anything is better than fucking 67

God I missed when the funny number was the funny sex number

Or the smoke weed number

[woeful timber]

I’ll never understand how it things went from “you’re cooking” as in doing something good, to “you’re cooked” as in your screwed in a matter of 6 months.

[proud vector]

I mean that kinda

Works no

You’re cooked means you are cooked (by someone else who Is cooking)

[woeful timber]

I mean I guess I kinda get it now, but at the time it was confusing seeing people use the word cook for something completely different out of the blue it seemed

[proud vector]

It’s not you’ve cooked (you have cooked)

Fair haha

[rigid yew]

yvonne areola is kinda visible no? or am i tripping

[edgy crater]

u just horny

[woeful timber]

I wish I had bro’s imagination

[tight haven]

cooking and cooked r like my two fav neologisms

[proud vector]

What the

[edgy crater]

technically i can see it too but dats just me being horny

[tight haven]

like just thinking of the culinary positionality of slang

[main nova]

you mean Yvonne aura

[tight haven]

if youre doing something well youre eating or you ate, youre cooking or you cooked

if youre screwed youre cooked or youre getting ate up

[normal tangle]

It is believed that the second syllable of the word charisma was taken from it to create the word rizz, though this belief is not universal

[tight haven]

like its actually rly fun wordplay when you break it down

[normal tangle]

tough to know unless you're an actual studied linguist

but there's no way to pin it down for sure

[bronze plume]

keyword is universal

[tight haven]

relates heavily to our relationship with food

[celest carbon]

i was watching the livestream again and rossi doesnt apply vuln per infliction stack she just consumes all of them and applies one extra stack

[bronze plume]

now im hungry

[celest carbon]

so two total for her combo skill

[peak void]

i heard sheep taste good

[bronze plume]

not a fan of lamb imo

[main nova]

most important question does rossi do cute iddling pose tho

[proud vector]

Mutton is hard to cook

There is a stench of blood infused within it that you have to boil out over a long period of time etc

Or use the right spices to mask

something like that?

Mutton soup is delicious though

[peak void]

Ive never had it tbh

[proud vector]

the extreme example being kangaroo meat

Stuff has such a heavy taste lmao

[main nova]

isnt the point of Muton is to cook them slowly like with indian curry that get better the more time it cook

[proud vector]

Yea basically

[normal tangle]

we saw her cut up an apple with her tail or something

robin hood aesthetic

[proud vector]

Longer you cook the more you can boil out the bad tasting stuff from the inside of the meat and either scoop off the top of the soup or mask with spice

[normal tangle]

vro your wife is a lamb

[tough roost]

Why dont laevatein gets bonecrusher chest and kits+hot gloves? Combustion isnt the most powerful status right so arts intensity isnt as good as atk%

[bronze plume]

no my wife is human

[proud vector]

Check the second effect I guess? 50% heat damage is decent

[tough roost]

Vs 30% bs dmg per stack

[proud vector]

Bonecrusher is what +30% on battle skill?

[tough roost]

Lae combo is very fast

[proud vector]

A lot of Laev damage is ult enhanced basics

[normal tangle]

none of the primary stats match up

a laeva with no int or str is

[proud vector]

O

[tough roost]

Ah primary syat

[proud vector]

Primary stats is big

[tough roost]

Right

[west cypress]

What's Yvonne's artifice priority?Int>BA>agi>crit?

[peak void]

int=crit>whatever>secondary stat that i never bother with

[tough roost]

How about frontier set wulfgard?

[terse valley]

frontier wulfgard?

[peak void]

what why

[tough roost]

Sometimes during eco cycle, i have spare sp but wulf combo isnt available yet

Not like his ult does anything for me without p5

[peak void]

well if u just need combo cd, no need to artifice

[proud vector]

holy shit

Inspiration time

Rossi Endmin Estella Alesh should work as a rotationally sound team

[normal tangle]

uhh does it

[feral fractal]

so what do people think of rossi now

[normal tangle]

i don't think there's enough inflictions there

[feral fractal]

or is it still the same

[tough roost]

No angelina is insta L

Sorry, gilberta

[proud vector]

hear me out

Alesh ult + BS to start the chain

[main nova]

retired biker

[edgy crater]

doubt the sp

[normal tangle]

ult to start the chain

alright man end it there

[terse valley]

[proud vector]

Oy Oy at least let me finish lmao

[peak void]

nope, arrest this man

[normal tangle]

you start with no ult charge vro

[proud vector]

jeez I know it’s not optimal but it’s an idea

Solidify triggers and you go through the Estella cs ult stuff

[peak void]

i also had an idea once

[bronze plume]

what are these re crisis only full ult at start of combat must 1 cycle ass teams

[proud vector]

But if you do an Estella BS here it triggers Rossi combo skill

Which gets you 2 more vulns - but before it consumes the ice you solidify with Alesh again

This gives endmin a 4 vuln lv1 shatter crush, both buffed by endmin intensity and grand vision

[feral fractal]

i have a prediction that fangyi is gon be the most busted DPS and that mi fu is her 5 star enabler

[normal tangle]

doubt mifu is 5 star but i hope so

[terse valley]

the idea would sell if we had a sp-free solidify bot like perlica but cryo

[bronze plume]

i hope someones a 5 star just so we dont get hsr

[proud vector]

Yeaaah it’s a little expensive ain’t it

it’s not like stupidly out of reach though

[normal tangle]

or wuwa

[bronze plume]

dont play wuwa so wouldnt know

[normal tangle]

one 4* per x.0 patch

[proud vector]

but a 4 vuln lv1 shatter crush is SPICY

Beeg damage kinda maybe? Copium?

[normal tangle]

4 star released in 1.3 and then after that was 2.8

W player friendly

[normal tangle]

..is it

lv1 shatter is really not adding much

[proud vector]

I mean, grando vision

A level 1 shatter at base is what 240% before level modifier?

[terse valley]

shatter scales off of the cryo infliction stack, not the vul stack

[proud vector]

It’s also physical damage

Yeah I specified level 1 shatter

I understand

But even a level 1 shatter isn’t tiny tiny considering it’s entering during the biggest buff stack the team has

(Which is sad in its own way)

( )

[feral fractal]

we need another 4 star set like op z7 but based in wuling

[normal tangle]

what is op z7

[terse valley]

z7 team

[feral fractal]

Operations Team Z7

[bronze plume]

z7 team

[terse valley]

the 4* operators we have currently

[bronze plume]

is the team that all the 4 stars are apart of

[feral fractal]

Akekuri, fluorite, estellsa, catcher

[normal tangle]

oh

[feral fractal]

And antal

[bronze plume]

damn

rip the lizard

bros dead

[normal tangle]

ohhhh that's why they all look the same

i never put that together

[bronze plume]

hopefully we at least get one set of 4 stars for each region

[proud vector]

349% modifier
3 vuln crush is 736%
4 vuln is 920%

It’s not a small sum considering it works with arts intensity and grand vision

[normal tangle]

where are you getting your numbers

[proud vector]

After level 90 level modifier?
I pulled these from Prydwen but I did do the maths before from scratch using the formula on ak-en wiki

[hasty grail]

1 stack shatter is like exactly half of a 3 vuln crush

Roughly

[normal tangle]

exactly roughly half

W writing

[proud vector]

Regardless, it’s not an insignificant amount, but it is more expensive

it’s just that it scales with intensity and also grand vision and originium crystals

[normal tangle]

grand vision has nothing to do with shatter

[proud vector]

So it’s somewhat interesting

oh..? Does the shatter window differ from the crush window?

I actually don’t know that

IANA HELPP

IAAAANA

[normal tangle]

grand vision effect is when wielder applies solidification

[bronze plume]

iana is on holiday till 1.1

[normal tangle]

not consumes it

[feral fractal]

is DPS tangtang possible

[proud vector]

bro I’m not talking about the trigger

[normal tangle]

we have no numbers

[proud vector]

I’m talking about the shatter happening during the battle skill

[normal tangle]

we don't even know if tangtang is real yet

[proud vector]

Meaning the damage bonus should in theory apply to the shatter as it does apply to the crush

As the crush itself should trigger shatter

In THEORY

Because this is an IDEA

[normal tangle]

those who idea

[proud vector]

Mine?

I thunk this

Using Iana’s document description on how grand vision works and when the buff damage actually ends (according to him)

[normal tangle]

it doesn't

[terse valley]

how does grand vision comes to play in this

[normal tangle]

gv is +phys dmg

[proud vector]

Shatter is PHYSICAL

[normal tangle]

wait

i might be illiterate

lowk

maybe highk

[proud vector]

Maybe highkey lmao

[proud vector]

I’m thinking about building a level 1 shatter into a 4 vuln crush on endmin

As a nice bonus

It’s SP inefficient currently to be practical but interesting thought

[terse valley]

we already have a team for this

[hasty grail]

It should apply to crush and shatter since my shatter is about half the 3 vuln crush as expected by the multipliers

[wind nebula]

that's not the issue, the issue is that the shatter damage is shatter damage and the skill damage is skill damage

[proud vector]

Oh boy one sec

Pulling out the Iana doc

[wind nebula]

is it a poor translation again?

[gritty briar]

I'm pretty sure he's just trying to figure out if shatter is affected by phys dmg taken from originium crystals

[terse valley]

wait are you making endmin do crush + shatter in one bskill

[lost void]

OR Edmin's crystal.

[proud vector]

Grand vision buff window is surprisingly interesting ^^^

[rustic coyote]

On the topic of physical teams, has anyone else tried building arts intensity on pog?

[proud vector]

I’m not sure if shatter occurs during the step after crush damage is dealt and before battle skill and swordmancer damage is dealt

[lost void]

For? Breach?

[proud vector]

But it seems possible and worthy of testing

[rustic coyote]

he has no stats with it but the breach is a lot stronger

[wind nebula]

huh. so this implies that "during the next skill..." is not the same as just directly adding skill dmg

[proud vector]

Yep

[gritty briar]

oh wait you're trying to get the damage dealt buff from grand vision on to the shatter?

[lost void]

It happens after the next vuln application while solidification last.

[gritty briar]

it works on the crush?

[proud vector]

Yes!

Crush is a physical status so it blows up solidify into a shatter

And since endmin is triggering it it scales with his or her intensity and phys dmg

Making it not terrible in THEORY

[rustic coyote]

oh lol. someone else is already doing that

ok

[wind nebula]

so when ult pops crystals, all three damage instances should get buffed by grand vision, no?

[rustic coyote]

so I am not crazy for building that

[proud vector]

In THEORY

[gritty briar]

right but i assumed this part only buffed the actual skill/ult that triggers it

[proud vector]

I haven’t tested as I just had this idea

[proud vector]

I mean according to Iana that’s not quite how it works lol

[bronze plume]

its like one of his normal builds gang

[lost void]

Depends on your rotation otherwise you will not maximize the supposedly lined in buffs/debuffs

[wind nebula]

yeah when you think about it the word "during" is totally unecessary UNLESS it performs as Iana reported

[hasty grail]

I have clips of it if you really need it. I've literally been running this crushatter team since Yvonne release

[proud vector]

Please do 😭

[hasty grail]

Going to dm you it

[proud vector]

huh Yvonne

[wind nebula]

they could've just written it like that if it only was supposed to buff the skill itself

[proud vector]

Like in place of Alesh?

[lost void]

meaning Endmin CS ➠Endmin Ult

[proud vector]

God that’s so sad for Yvonne’s ability to ult though

[wind nebula]

it specifically says the CHARACTER gains the DMG bonus for a duration of time, it just happens to be the duration of their next skill cast

[lost void]

It works hand in hand with Endmin↔ Alesh, Alesh ↔ Estella

[gritty briar]

I guess if it was only for the skill, they would've just used link's wording

[lost void]

You proc Solidification first from Alesh then go into Yvonne ult since she will apply a forced solidifcation at the end of her ult

[proud vector]

No as in phys shatter doesn’t stack much cyro easily

Hmm

Ok I’m talking from the frame of reference of a phys shatter team of Chen endmin Alesh Estella

I’m not familiar with this Yvonne variant

[lost void]

Yvonne's only interaction is with Gilberta, and cryo infliction by either Alesh or Estella.

[proud vector]

So I’m assuming not much cyro is being stacked

Ah ok so it’s a Gilberta team

Where you do Yvonne + Gilberta stuff

But also fit in endmin….?

Wild

[summer flicker]

holy tangtang banner

[lost void]

Yes there are several variants for shatter team one leaning far physical and one leaning to almost full cryo:

Physical (+++) Endmin/Chen, Alesh, Pog/Lifeng, Estella
Physical +- Cryo with Gilberta,Endmin, Alesh, Estella
Cryo++ Gilberta, Endmind, Alesh, Yvonne
Cryo+++ Gilberta, Alesh, Yvonne, Estella

[summer flicker]

[wind nebula]

jfc

[summer flicker]

the lineup is so good

only 2 out of all those is mid

[edgy crater]

dfq with those lineup

[proud vector]

I honestly thought it was either go full phys or full cyro with a gulf of badness in between haha

[terse valley]

can u make the full rotation i wanna see

cuz i cant figure out how to have endmin to crush shatter the crystal

[normal tangle]

does rossi have a place in theoretical future shatter comps or am i overthinking this

[summer flicker]

tangtang fav char of hg

kekw

[proud vector]

maybe

[thin berry]

i thought shes a caster

[terse valley]

preferably one that doesnt start with ult

[summer flicker]

she gun

[normal tangle]

because i lowkey have no idea what else she could do

[calm field]

https://youtu.be/SxyFnzeQ694

[gritty briar]

casters have guns

[summer flicker]

caster is just a class

[gritty briar]

fluorite is also a caster

[normal tangle]

maybe breach shatter comp gg

[calm field]

the shatter cc

[edgy crater]

brigand/clannibal (?)/wedge for her
chiv for xaihi
thermite for alesh
sundered prince for (?)
jet for who? Estelle lmao?

[gritty briar]

I want a jet for my estella tbh

[summer flicker]

jet is good for avy kekkk

[proud vector]

Idea is

(Alesh ult/Estella BS)

Alesh BS > Estella CS
Estella Ult > Chen, Endmin CS
Estella BS + Alesh BS
Endmin BS (crush 3 vuln 1 shatter)

It’s currently a little expensive for my taste but that’s a framework for it as like a possible line. Importantly two solidifies means that Alesh and Estella have more energy to work with due to their passives

[gritty briar]

it's kinda cursed cause she doesn't even care about the passive but there are literally no other options

[lost void]

Physcryo is the most all-inclusive team variant since you can never go wrong with either putting as much phys to the team or more of the cryo members.

A new variant will also be introduced if you factor in Rossi or Tangtang.

[summer flicker]

oh you mean who might go with her

[edgy crater]

in context of cryo team lol

[normal tangle]

might be overthinking these choices

applying the same logic makes 0 sense for laeva banner

[edgy crater]

probably

[normal tangle]

nova for her

everything else for (???)

[edgy crater]

its just interpretation

[proud vector]

Basically they want you to pull for Tangtang

[summer flicker]

rossi banner is cooked

[proud vector]

Which makes Tangtang the trap banner

which means Rossi is gonna be t-1

[edgy crater]

i mean, i play lr n i see her as potential slave

[gritty briar]

i actually want the weapons so bad but i'm out of arsenals and i'm skipping the 1.1 operators...

[edgy crater]

obj we go

[lost void]

If you will put Rossi you can go
① Rossi
② Endmin/Alesh
③ Estella/Chen/Gilberta
④ Akekur/Pogi/Laevatain/Ember

since solidification requires 2 different elements.

[edgy crater]

who's using valiant again? lifeng?

[terse valley]

estella susceptibility only last for 6s can you really do allat within 6s

[proud vector]

Yeah p2? Increases that time to like 10?

[summer flicker]

there lifeng 2nd bis in rossi banner, chen 2nd bis weapon(rapid ascent), eminent repute idk, det is idk too,wedge idk if in conext of rossi team

[proud vector]

[gritty briar]

If you stop time with enough ults, 6 seconds is like 20 seconds long

[proud vector]

TOKI WA TOMARE

ZA WALDO

[edgy crater]

do we even got pyro orb op?

[proud vector]

Anyways yeah no the susc is decently long

It’ll fit

Hell you can Estella BS and Alesh BS on the same frame and Estella will hit first

Which is like muah chef kiss perfecto

[normal tangle]

actually what's the highest infliction/sp unit in the game rn

that isn't cryo

[lost void]

heat for inf thanks to brother Wulf

[normal tangle]

rossi wulf estella pog shatter comp

is this tech

[lost void]

Must be Alesh for SP recov & forced solidification since he and Endmin are core.

[normal tangle]

why forced

you have 4 heat inf and estella for natural

[main nova]

its make sense since they have 3 character no

compliment most of their support

[terse valley]

i aint gonna lie I'd rather bring a cheap cryo inflictor like snowshine than estelle

snowshine can even directly solodify with ult

[proud vector]

Hers only costs 85 sp

[main nova]

1.0 is quite good banner overall

[proud vector]

it’s not that bad

[normal tangle]

what does this mean

[lost void]

Estella has forced lift if you wanna stack vuln for Rossi

[normal tangle]

..so?

[main nova]

the character banner has 3 main instead of 1

eventually you kinda make 3 team

or 2

[normal tangle]

what

[twilit quail]

sp refund doesnt give you ult gain so it doesnt actually save you anything

it's detrimental more often than not

[normal tangle]

how is using extra skill for free detrimental

[gritty briar]

It saves you sp if you were using the skill for reasons other than ult gain

[terse valley]

but she has to trigger shatter herself for that, this rotation has two shatters and she only does one