theorycrafting

[smoky quarry]

Oblivion is good if you have other buttons to press

[drowsy wyvern]

how exactly does treament bonus work, do you just slap it on top of the heal you'd get without it? for example, ardelia sheep heal me for 366, do i slap +70% on top of it, resulting in 622?

[smoky quarry]

Like in Arclight/Antal variation

But in Akekuri/Gilbert you spam perli

[potent hornet]

in the tutorial..

you can also check the database

[honest hill]

I forgot because factory life took over

[smoky quarry]

Careful now, one step away from meta talk and you get help banned

[honest hill]

ur right

[gritty briar]

I don't know why i had the same assumption
my brain must've been melting from skimming over the 500th tutorial in the game

[honest hill]

I believe it's ontop

[smoky quarry]

Didn't read, too much letters

Endfield fan's job isn't to read, it's to spread agenda

[oak vigil]

I meeean true, but even then realistically speaking you’ll only use it on Perlica and even then is it really worth it unless going fully for her DPS? No Stanza, no Wild Wanderer buffs

(I won’t mention Antal/Xaihi because you need to be somewhat deranged (Hi I am that :D) to build them DPS)

Gilberta is stuck to her signature and Stanza too, unless again, running her as focus of dps

[smoky quarry]

Now I'll have to carry detonation all the way from the bottom, cause turns out I was wrong about arts burst all this time

At least I got it from the shop

[oak vigil]

Tbh there is also OBJ Arts Unit weapon, if you have upgraded that, you can also use that as a lesser alternative

(Same thing with OBJ short sword and Thermite Cutter, TC is just an upgrade lol)

[smoky quarry]

Man, there's so many character and only so little arsenal tokens. I only managed to get forgeborn and nothing else from sigs

[oak vigil]

*and Stanza

[drowsy wyvern]

i was about to say that stanza on gil is better than sig

(if its higher pot than sig)

[summer flicker]

its similar performance

[smoky quarry]

Nobody is talking about opus for some reason

[summer flicker]

cuz it suck, and stanza exist

[honest hill]

which pot

[drowsy wyvern]

stanza so goated fr

[smoky quarry]

Which is wild, since one of them is 5star that's f2p friendly

And stanza is actually reusable

[drowsy wyvern]

for my personal team and level of investment (m3 battle skill, minimal artificing, 7/7/4 essence on jet), p1 stanza is about the same as p1 signature (avywenna akekuri perlica gil)

[smoky quarry]

I doubt there will be a lot of cases where signature can be reused for other characters

Like kraven for snowshine dps

[oak vigil]

Gilberta is too slow with applying nature arts infliction (unless her ult (lol use Stanza)), Ardelia cannot apply arts infliction at all

If there was a unit with fast application like Perlica for nature and with Arts Unit weapon, then yeah, it would work

[honest hill]

I will get more dupes for stanza for perlica

[drowsy wyvern]

i'll run my calc again to confirm my statement

[daring dove]

Finally finished Yvonne's essence now, so that's LR / Yvonne / Laevatains essences completely maxed.

[oak vigil]

Ooooo, nice!

[smoky quarry]

she's been out for a week, chill out 😭

[summer flicker]

i have her max essence the day shes out

[daring dove]

Gotta start saving resources for the Supreme Chief now though, she demands it.

[smoky quarry]

Eminent repute is budget signature for endmin?

[honest hill]

Im guessing u got 2 in a 10 pull

[daring dove]

Nope weapon banner ruined me

2 in 24 pulls.

[honest hill]

[outer ermine]

no full pot

[honest hill]

wait wym 24

[daring dove]

But then I got Ynonne P5 in like 230 pulls so I can't complain.

[honest hill]

Ye full pot it trust

[oak vigil]

But yeah, even if you don’t have signature/6 star weapons, OBJ weapons overall covers up for support just incase

[honest hill]

might as well P5 wep

[oak vigil]

Have been using myself OBJ sword all this time for Arclight

[honest hill]

Go all in fr

[honest hill]

You dont have thermite cutter?

[daring dove]

Cant it would cost me more than to P5 both Tangtang & Rossi just to get Yvonne's weapon P5 in all likehood rn.

[oak vigil]

Nope and no 6 star chooser box, because I thought it was a good idea to get Oblivion copy (at that time I did not realize that TC is a direct upgrade)

But oh well, no biggie

[oak vigil]

Oooooh, that’s actually really close, neat

[honest hill]

Yeah you're right very expensive

[drowsy wyvern]

perhaps a bit unfair to assume only one target for signature so the buff is smaller, but what can you do, boss trims are mostly single target

[honest hill]

Yeah that's fine the best in those free crates were TC and deto

[daring dove]

For like 10 pulls on the weapon banner it currently is costing me about 14 wishes. An for me 10 pulls on the weapon banner isn't even worth 5 character wishes.

Let alone 14.

I don't have any discount arsensal packs left.

[honest hill]

rip

[drifting quest]

stanza buff beats sig buff

[smoky quarry]

what's the conclusion?

[drifting quest]

but sig has uge% which is needed for some teams

[drowsy wyvern]

you can read the sheet.........

[drifting quest]

known tradeoff

[drowsy wyvern]

yes

im not denying that, i just wanted to back up my claim of stanza being roughly same performance compared to sig

for the buff, probably shouldve mentioned at the start

my bad

[honest hill]

At what pot?

[drowsy wyvern]

in what teams is this needed by the way?

[drifting quest]

depends on comp

[drifting quest]

most

tbh

[drowsy wyvern]

do you start with ults ready in umbral monument?

[drifting quest]

no

[honest hill]

Avy team

One rotation

[drowsy wyvern]

i find myself not needing much ult recharge on gilberta for avywenna team, but thats because i might be staggering enemies too slowly

[honest hill]

I wonder if the new bonekrusha armour will help her

[drifting quest]

avy needs it

1 rot doesnt if precharged ult

[honest hill]

true

How much uge does she even need

[drowsy wyvern]

to be fair, next patch we start with ults ready on everything right?

[honest hill]

For protocol space

For umbral I don't think so

[drowsy wyvern]

i forgot if bosses were a protocol space or not

[honest hill]

Recrisis yes

Part of protocol space

Thank god for full ult and hp for that too

[smoky quarry]

umbrals strictly reset ults, so it'll stay this way ig

they went out of their way just to remove it

[honest hill]

Yeah that's the whole point it it ye

[drowsy wyvern]

inb4 1.1 boss trims count as cheated runs because 1.0 boss trims didnt have full recharges

[edgy crater]

nah, its samee

[honest hill]

are we getting new bosses in 1.1

[edgy crater]

we do

[honest hill]

idts

oh where

Did they show

[edgy crater]

already teased, yeah, the bull

[drowsy wyvern]

probably on the stream but i didnt fully watch it

[daring dove]

People who didn't trim all 3 bosses in the first week are getting kicked from Discord anyway.

[honest hill]

can u show it

[drowsy wyvern]

i still have no trims on anything gg

classic math guy, does sheets and then doesnt play the game

[edgy crater]

@honest hill this one

[daring dove]

You're on the surveillance list

[drowsy wyvern]

im like 30s off on rodhgan somehow

[honest hill]

I hope he doesn't charge at us 24/7 like stage 2 inorganic construct

[outer ermine]

just tang

[honest hill]

What team

[drowsy wyvern]

avywenna ake perlica gil

[modern swift]

oh bootleg nightreign boss

i see

[edgy crater]

well, its most likely tang2 brother

[drifting quest]

just stew meeting it

costs 30s or so to cheese with

[modern swift]

its like darkdrift and those gravity bulls 🥀

[smoky quarry]

in this order?

[drowsy wyvern]

btw whats the best food buff for avy, kunst tube?

[honest hill]

What if u tangless

[drowsy wyvern]

yes

[edgy crater]

kunst tube like the worst of the 3

[drifting quest]

jakubs or ginseng

differs per unit

[honest hill]

Hm u can 2 rot it without food buff if ur perli is built w deto

[smoky quarry]

why there's expensive healing food when we get yazheng syringes as byproduct of factory gameplay

[honest hill]

One rot with ginseng

plus double ult w meat stew

[drifting quest]

0s avywenna speedrun that takes 10m of setup

[drowsy wyvern]

oh i can easily 2 rot it, but it just takes ages to do my rots

hell ive been told phase 1 im overkilling

i have a recording i think

[honest hill]

hm u can go behind boss and do double rot break boss unleash hell and perlica stagger him to death

[drowsy wyvern]

https://streamable.com/b8w9zy

[edgy crater]

u know u can just use ardel skill

1 sheep heal for 628 hp

[drowsy wyvern]

to be fair i dont have essences on support weapons yet

[daring dove]

I think it's just the devs throwing things at the wall an seeing what sticks. It's kind of like Genshin food where there are 97 options an like 5 of them are good.

[smoky quarry]

Might as well remove crafting from backpack and game won't lose from it

If anything, less trash in the inventory and backpack

[honest hill]

I mean if ur perli was built u can use her finisher instead of avy one

[oak vigil]

I feel like it tries to be more progressive (with some foods having resources of what area you are in currently), although here comes the confusion of requirments of like 5 of resources and even more confusion of “would a new player actually use this for combat???” (because I sure didn’t)

[honest hill]

Avy finisher is so mid

[drowsy wyvern]

hmmmmmmm

[honest hill]

But that requires u to build perli

[summer flower]

was datamining done alredy?

[smoky quarry]

They absolutely killed it when they made a stance to forbid tacticals in endgame modes

it is dead

[honest hill]

I am building her atm

[smoky quarry]

can't even pre-buff team for event gng

[summer flower]

its qol i think

[smoky quarry]

literally threw away all food the other day

[hollow wyvern]

from the latest smol patch? not that I know of

[daring dove]

I mean I don't interact with the crafting system (I don't mean AIC system) or food system at all. Complete waste of my time honestly. But some people enjoy running around with food buffs for some strange reason. So I see no reason to stop them if they want to waste their time on that stuff.

[summer flower]

its preload for operator isnt it?

or not?

[hollow wyvern]

I think it's preload for event or something

[drifting quest]

i wish we had datamines

[hollow wyvern]

not sure it's actual preload

not seeing anything new on sites

[drifting quest]

we might not get a preload though

[edgy crater]

better lmao

[drifting quest]

if they handle it like they handle ak it'll be a like 6hr maint

[smoky quarry]

idk what they preloaded, we are not getting anything new in this patch

[edgy crater]

even without food, current agony already ssnooze fest

[hollow wyvern]

it's too early for 1.1 preload anyway

[honest hill]

She has talent that give her more damage when enemy is staggered up to 30%

[drowsy wyvern]

oh tahts what you meant

[boreal siren]

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[drowsy wyvern]

i was about to say they are the same

[boreal siren]

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[smoky quarry]

Idk, I suck at agony

had to sweat my way out of it

[hollow wyvern]

the 10 limited pull one?

[oak vigil]

Agony mode and deep dive combat wise isn’t a cakewalk, but not as overbearingly hard. As first side gamemodes it’s fine as it is tbh, neat way to test out teams for combat

[smoky quarry]

this damn ram stage

[drowsy wyvern]

wait its not stagger its vulnerable (NVM TALKING OUT MY ASS)

[drifting quest]

no that's in 1.1

there's an unknown sign in event before 1.1 goes live

probably starts on thursday

[boreal siren]

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[smoky quarry]

the music is kinda lit tho 🔥🔥🔥

[daring dove]

Yeah I don't get it to be honest, maybe they're trying to ease us in. But Genshin learnt many many years ago people actually enjoy challenging content. The key is simply not making it a requirement to clear it to get 99% of your important resources.

[drifting quest]

i think they said it gives standard banner pulls

[edgy crater]

bruh ftp on shop, dats really shit

[hollow wyvern]

oh ok, ig that makes sense, prob didn't plan to have it until recently, so they had to put that info in

since they didn't put it in with the 1.0 package

[edgy crater]

genshin? darksouls already done it

[boreal siren]

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[honest hill]

Yeah when u have all that plus her finisher is electric + u use ult during stagger is bigg damage

[boreal siren]

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[hollow wyvern]

100 oroberyl trust

[summer flower]

ftp?

[drifting quest]

free is free

[glass wind]

Can i use Art Intensity build on Rossi?

[boreal siren]

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[edgy crater]

freedom to pro something

[smoky quarry]

"i love being dripfed by multibillionaire company"

[drifting quest]

we have no idea but it doesnt sound good

[edgy crater]

this shit

[drifting quest]

hg is multi bil now?

nice

[glass birch]

Probably? Sounds like itll suck though

[smoky quarry]

it is citated, doesn't has to be accurate

[drifting quest]

though time to not continue this conversation because that is offtopic and no offtopic is allowed

[glass birch]

Arts intensity would just increase how much stagger lift does on her BS and Combo, as well as how much combust does if she triggers it with ult

[drifting quest]

else we might get help banned without warning!

[smoky quarry]

public hanging in 2 days

[drowsy wyvern]

i mean idk at what point perlica surpasses avy on field cause atm her atk numbers are pretty low (she has half of avy's atk stat)

[smoky quarry]

I can get 350k on perlica from ult + finisher on oblivion

[daring dove]

Point is no gacha game actually benefits from all their content being extremely easy to clear. But at the same time there shouldn't be a requirement that you have to whale like me in order to not miss out on important resources. But there should absolutely be harder content for simple rewards like medals or trophies for our ship.

[drowsy wyvern]

at lv90 or 80?

masteries?

[drifting quest]

please dont offtopic in the theorycrafting channel

its not allowed

thanks

[smoky quarry]

80, mastery on ult and combat

[summer flower]

its about gameplay, and diffculty

[honest hill]

Only for finisher because gilb gives arts susc + deto debuff is arts dmg taken

[summer flower]

so advanced game talk

[daring dove]

I mean you've been far more off-topic before but fair enough?

[smoky quarry]

okay, what is number crunching?

[smoky quarry]

(mods like him for some reason)

[drifting quest]

they're help banning people without a prewarning now lmao

[smoky quarry]

no offence intended

[honest hill]

Avy finish is phys she benefits w nothing of those things

[drowsy wyvern]

discussing numbers (like how i sent a sheet comparing stanza and signature on gilberta for avywenna team)

[smoky quarry]

oh, spreadsheets

excel simulator, my fav

[drowsy wyvern]

not only spreadsheets, can just be number talk in general

[drifting quest]

so im bringing repeated attention to it because either
A) they were singling specific people out
B) they're still enforcing it and people should be warned to not get help banned without warning too
C) to call attention to how they wont handle actual issues but go after minor things

[edgy crater]

@glass birch go try clannibal on yvonne lol

[drowsy wyvern]

oh good point actually

i forgot about that

[smoky quarry]

why can't we just, make a joint complaint?

[glass birch]

Is it funny? I have Artzy P1 so I dont really wanna swap

[drifting quest]

they dont read modmails and they only accept it via modmails lmao

[glass birch]

Sounds meh considering it'd proc on the final hit of Yvonne's ult

[smoky quarry]

I knew they don't read modmail lmfao

they just silently close tickets

[edgy crater]

yeah its funny n wanna see how shit it is compare to navi/wedge cause shuo said its worse than navi

[honest hill]

Yeah so ur first rot w double ult avy big big dmg

plus if u have P5

Big damage

I have only P4

On my avy

[drowsy wyvern]

p5 on detonation or stanza?

[drifting quest]

hence why i will continue to be overly incessant about bringing it up every time

[drowsy wyvern]

oh on jet?

[edgy crater]

on who n which team?

[honest hill]

No as in my perli is P5 but avy is P4

[drowsy wyvern]

ah fair

p5 det is crazy ngl

[daring dove]

Depends on the team & rotation, Denonation's buff (debuff really) is technically stronger but is likely to have lower uptime if not played well.

[hollow wyvern]

should I go to the 10 multi box on artzy, for chance of second artzy, and also for selector for chiv

how much dmg gain is artzy dupe

[summer flower]

off topic media seems like more offtopic and easier noticed than just writing

[normal tangle]

they are equally as easy to notice

[summer flower]

text is more of, media is less in quantity

[drifting quest]

they've mostly gone after people posting images yes

which is all the more reason i will continue to bring it up on repeat

[smoky quarry]

the job of the discord mod isn't to read, it's to show privilliges

[honest hill]

I have P2 det P2 jet

[glass birch]

Arts DMG +76.9% from P5 Clannibal. This is slightly better than P5 Navigator but worse than Wedge

[honest hill]

[normal tangle]

really bad gacha luck or something?

[glass birch]

Navi<Clannibal<Wedge<Artzy @edgy crater

[smoky quarry]

i had an experience of getting muted (AND image banned) cause I was calling out mod in public, lol

it was tevi btw

[edgy crater]

need to test it lol

[glass birch]

At least at P5 on each

[drifting quest]

whats the math on this

what team what rot what assumptions

what %

[glass birch]

Simply comparing the buffs from each at a base line for clannibal and full for the others

[drifting quest]

assuming 100% uptime it pretty biased

[honest hill]

no I got det from free box another was bought when it was in rotation and another from crate when u get from pulling jets were just from pulling

[normal tangle]

what team

[glass birch]

On yvonne it's not? Considering she can keep each buff up for her burst At least not Clannibal's. The DMG% from clannibal is a base effect and not counting the extra buff from consuming Solidify since doing that and getting her ult is unrealistic

[normal tangle]

clannibal gets quite a bit worse when running perl, i think

[chilly bolt]

People having spare arsenal to buy weapons

I had to guarantee both khrav and laev sig

[drifting quest]

if you're not including the conditional on clannibal im even more lost on where the ranking is coming from

[normal tangle]

clannibal>wedge purely just from +arts dmg%?

that's a little hard to believe

[edgy crater]

is it? cause the moment i read its effect, its like, damn dats quite nice

[normal tangle]

deto unit perl already applies 14.4% dmg vuln + electrification dmg vuln (~44%)

clannibal is additive to allat

[drifting berry]

I had leftover arsenal currency but decided it was a good idea to get Gilberta's signature.

-16k

[normal tangle]

you can double check my math on electrification idk how much arts intensity it actually is

i'm pretty sure it's 206 at deto+un-artificed intensity gear though

[edgy crater]

dats too high

max artif perlica only got 209 arts inten

[honest hill]

Is there even a point going that high

[oak vigil]

Same thing for me

I got her from non-permanent limited tickets and thought “well I might as well cash it all in for her signature at this point”.
But oh my lord I barely have like 400 of armory currency to buy some useful 5 star weapons now to test them out/for potentials for combat now

[honest hill]

Isn't there some graph for it

[edgy crater]

well, its just for min maxing damage

[honest hill]

In avy team better to run aether gloves or the electric one

For perli

[edgy crater]

no idea lol

[normal tangle]

is it?
78 (deto unit) + 2*41 (pulser labs kit) + 20 (pulser labs chest) + 30 (pulser labs set bonus)
= 210

not sure what gloves she runs

[edgy crater]

oh w8 deto

let me recheck

[honest hill]

Yeah is there not a graph on arts intensity

[normal tangle]

i posed the formula like not even 2min ago

[normal tangle]

it's up here

[honest hill]

I mean what would be the best value

[drifting berry]

After Gilberta's signatrue I had literally like 0 and currency I got a little bit less than 2k, idk where did it come from, I only got 2 5* from Yvonne 20 pulls.

[edgy crater]

w8, 78 art inten deto? is it r9?

[normal tangle]

yeah, why would it not be

[honest hill]

At some point the value for each point decreases right

[unreal light]

There is

Your best AI set grants Perlica 50% electric damage for casting electrification

[unreal light]

Yes, but you’re not gaining AI solely

[glass birch]

Navi gets Cryo DMG Boost [L] Which provides 43.3% DMG%(Unconditional) and at P0 you get up to 11.2%(From applying solidify) from it's 3rd passive for 15s so 54.5%
Wedge at P0 gets 19.2%(unconditional) + 12.8%(Using BS) for 15s and +25.6%(Applying Solidify) for 15s so 57.6%
Clannibal has Arts DMG Boost [L] which is 43.3% arts DMG%(Unconditional), at P0 you get +19.2% DMG%(Unconditional) and consuming a reaction gives +16%. So you get 62.5% arts DMG% without any conditionals to it. Add in the 16% after consuming solidify brings it to 78.5% for 15s with a 25s cooldown

If we're talking purely based on DMG%; clannibal wins out. But you lose the near 20% Crit Rate from Artzy or Wedge. It's comparable to Navigator since navi's CR at P0 is ~11%. So variance could make it better or worse. depending on wether you crit or not. Assuming no crits; Clannibal is better. Assuming all crits, Clannibal is better. Assuming an even crit chance it's pretty equal at P0

[normal tangle]

that's an odd graph

[edgy crater]

ah yeah, dats right mount then

[normal tangle]

why does it end at 0.8

[chilly bolt]

Idk it's 200 intensity

[honest hill]

so for perli better to run aether gloves to max AI instead of running electric gloves for her own damage

[edgy crater]

so in nutshell, is it possible to run yvonne with clannibal, assuming u just slap 2 mi kit to mitigate dat missing cr?

[honest hill]

[edgy crater]

cause i dont have wedge nor artzy lol

[unreal light]

It depends

If you want her to debuff, you run Aethertech gloves

If you want her to deal damage, you run Electric% Pulser gloves and slab

Either way you’re getting 150+ AI

[honest hill]

So in avy team it'll just be much better maxing AI for a deto perlica

[drifting quest]

you forgot to account for navi and artzy having higher attribute line

[unreal light]

Once again it depends on the rotation, and on the boss health

[chilly bolt]

No in avy team perlica is sub dps

[unreal light]

If boss is over 2m hp, Perlica does MORE damage than avy

[honest hill]

What boss has 2m+ hp

[chilly bolt]

You run max intensity perlica on lr and Yvonne team

[honest hill]

So i use electric dmg bonus

[gritty briar]

rhodagn has 2.3m hp

[honest hill]

I see

So electric gloves there

[unreal light]

My bad, it goes for oblivion p0 against JET p0

If you run deto Perl uh

Run deto antal idk

[normal tangle]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/xapddeyrup
arts intensity electrification/breach/max corrosion calculator for the lazy among us

[honest hill]

Nah I run perli for finisher

[unreal light]

BASED

900% + Ult 1000%

[honest hill]

avy finisher is straight up trash

[unreal light]

See you later rhodagn

[daring dove]

71% CR on Yvonne now, 96% effectively when all buffs are active. Going to keep pushing though want to get to 99.5%

[normal tangle]

why not 100

[hollow wyvern]

surely slab better?

[daring dove]

It is, but when you have P5 Yvonne there's not a massive difference so I'm going for consistency.

[hollow wyvern]

oh p5

[chilly bolt]

Ult gives cr

[hollow wyvern]

your final hit is already 101% cr no?

prob good enough

[honest hill]

im tryna do that which is why I am building her

[normal tangle]

wait isn't MI-sec getting a new tier next patch

why's bro artificing it rn

[chilly bolt]

Not new tier

[hollow wyvern]

[edgy crater]

[honest hill]

it's not new tier

[hollow wyvern]

new options, so maybe something more optimal than what we got rn

[edgy crater]

technically a sidegrade

[unreal light]

Good luck 👍

[honest hill]

ye it's just options

[edgy crater]

but yeah, possible to be more optimal

[honest hill]

I wish my avy was P5

[normal tangle]

it says gear upgrade and it's red so i assumed red rarity gear

am i trippin

[hollow wyvern]

MI piece with ER would be nice, lets you run ER yvonne while also keeping slab

[drifting quest]

EN stream issue

[normal tangle]

awesome

[gritty briar]

i heard it's a mistranslation

[drifting quest]

Other languages correctly labelled them as gear update

[honest hill]

mistranslation

[kind iron]

quick question about Yvonne and Tang Tang, who do we think she will replace in Yvonne/Gilberta/Xiahi/Alesh team?

[normal tangle]

i see

[lost dirge]

alesh prob

[honest hill]

it says updates but then says upgrades

[drifting quest]

Its either gilb, alesh or neither
Vibes lean me to say gilb

[normal tangle]

imagine hot works ER chest so we can run lynx

[daring dove]

That's a good point honestly, maybe I have messed up my calculation somewhere. I had it at 99.5% with ult maybe I didn't count in the inherent 5% CR. Lemme work it all out again.

[hollow wyvern]

atk% instead of basic % for body and gloves trust

[honest hill]

I hope

[hollow wyvern]

would rossi be using MI?

[drifting quest]

Most likely yes

[normal tangle]

we don't know her kit yet so idk

[edgy crater]

probably

shes crit based op as well

[normal tangle]

maybe her talent gives 100% crit chance on ult or something

[hollow wyvern]

Mi updates might be tailor made for her instead then, rather than helping yvonne

[drifting quest]

We might be able to ignore her crit conditionals and run a real set

[drifting berry]

Alesh most likely but Tang2 replacing Gilberta is seems very viable

[drifting quest]

issue is

tangtang and gilb have anti synergy

tangtang ruins the rotations that exist

[hollow wyvern]

I pulled p1 yvonne this morning so I can run dive-less tt

[drifting quest]

why diveless

[normal tangle]

so you're saying she's gilb sidegrade or something?

[hollow wyvern]

so I can use the ult during yvonne ult

[drifting quest]

downgrade, potentially

[hollow wyvern]

which means giving up on free app, so p1 to avoid extending rota

[normal tangle]

that's awesome

[drifting quest]

p1 doesnt fix losing the application

idk who told you that

[hollow wyvern]

from the alesh ult? it should be about same energy no?

[normal tangle]

there's gotta be some awesome rotation you can run that p1 yvonne enables

[drifting quest]

alesh ults several times

[normal tangle]

otherwise my account is bricked

[drifting quest]

tangtang probably only ults once

[hollow wyvern]

the pinned rota ults once

[kind iron]

hmm so if I already have Gilberta, we thinking Tang2 not needed and just keep for next banners?

[drifting quest]

even if its matched exactly

[daring dove]

Yeah actually it looks like Yvonne will be aroind 96% CR even with Slab to be honest.

[drifting quest]

tangtang has sp refund, alesh has sp generation

which means you cant just match the alesh rot but with tangtang

[hollow wyvern]

alesh rota apparently has 9 excess

[normal tangle]

tang^2 looks like she synergizes with any cryo op idk

future value copium

[kind iron]

I dont trust any future value after Sunday

xdd

[honest hill]

sp regen is better than sp refund right

[drifting quest]

1 combo 1 ult
(2 combo 1 ult as well)
15-25 sp per combo
25 sp per ult

so you're losing 40-75 sp per rot

and you're getting sp refund AT BEST (maybe none)

which is going to skew the rot even mroe

[honest hill]

rip

[hollow wyvern]

how much gen loss is it going from 100 cost to a refund one

[drifting quest]

if you get say 30 sp refund from tangtang that's an entire extra skill worth of energy lost

from 75 to -30

[normal tangle]

wait this yvonne timeline confuses me

[drifting quest]

this is before factoring in extra rotation caveats that might happen

[normal tangle]

why is there not a FS right after the yvonne BS

why's there a full string

[hollow wyvern]

huh?

[daring dove]

Is this assuming equal amount of infliction stacks?

[drifting quest]

less infliction stacks makes it worse

[hollow wyvern]

how much energy does xaihi skill give vs lr skill for yvonne rn

[drifting quest]

100 sp = 6.5 energy
refunded sp = 0 energy

so if you refund 15sp as an example, you only get 85% of that 6.5 energy on the next skill

[hollow wyvern]

lr skill gives no energy?

oh

that's within the 9 excess

tangtang skill replaces 1 xaihi skill

[drifting quest]

you're also -1 infliction

from no ult dive

[hollow wyvern]

p1 makes up for lost alesh ult

I think it's -30 there

p1 regains that

[normal tangle]

you still get infliction, i'm pretty sure

[hollow wyvern]

free infliction is only if you dive

[normal tangle]

dev log marble fight shows no dive but still infliction

[hollow wyvern]

otherwise it's just skill cost

[normal tangle]

unless i'm not seeing it right?

[hollow wyvern]

that was prob a skill cast

in the yvonne ult part they tangtang skilled after tangtang ult

[gritty briar]

are you guys trying to figure out the dev log rotation?

[honest hill]

do ya'll think rossi team will beat phys team or be similar or worse dmg

[normal tangle]

oh yeah they did final strike same frame as ult ends

thought it was ult applying but it was just LR skill

[daring dove]

That's a complete shot in the dark, since we have no idea about multipliers. But Rossi's team theortically has better character's in it. It's possible to run Rossi / Gilberta / Ardelia / Pog.

[normal tangle]

[honest hill]

wait arde over like wulfgard?

[normal tangle]

what's pog doing there

boosting what phys dmg

[daring dove]

Yep

[edgy crater]

sp

[honest hill]

sp breach

[honest hill]

how comes

[edgy crater]

corro maxing probably

[drifting quest]

not based on what we've seen

it would require multipliers beyond what i find reasonable, or some part of her kit that was not explained

[hollow wyvern]

anyone have a timeline of corro shred% over time, since it ramps up apparently

[honest hill]

hm but with wulf can't u just do fire stacks to convert to the phys ones and he has combustion which she benefits from

[normal tangle]

70 sp recovery at the cost of 100

i guess ult is sp positive though

[drifting quest]

at what level

[Corrosion]: When applying a Nature Infliction to enemies already under other [Arts Infliction], all [Arts Infliction] stacks are consumed to trigger [Corrosion]. It deals Nature damage based on the Reaction Stage. Initially reduces enemy total resistance by 3.6/4.8/6/7.2 points, then increases by 0.84/1.12/1.4/1.68 points per second, capping at a total reduction of 12/16/20/24 points. [Corrosion] lasts for 15 seconds initially. If [Corrosion] is refreshed, the previous resistance reduction persists.

[hollow wyvern]

lvl 1

[drifting quest]

might as well

[edgy crater]

cant tell

[honest hill]

so if she has reasonable multipliers she could surpass phys team

[edgy crater]

probably, its just rossi already sp hungry from the dev test run

[drifting quest]

the triple dps team cutting 2 dps for 1 and a do nothing support

clueful

[honest hill]

rossi hungry like last rite

[hollow wyvern]

damn so takes 10 sec to ramp

[drifting quest]

rossi has to do the work of 2 units for the price of one

basically

stacking, buffing (if applicable) and damage wise

[honest hill]

that would be insane

[drifting quest]

before considering utility

exactly my belief

[daring dove]

So do a normal attack chain > Trigger Ardelia combo (if needed skill BS for shred) / Apply Phy stack / triggers Gilberta combo skill / Trigger Rossi BS to eat Phy stack & nature stack / Use Pog to eat 3 phy stacks to repeat combo (use Rossi ult when you have all buffs up).

[edgy crater]

i mean she can 2x bs thing or is dat cs

already forgot

[hollow wyvern]

what would rossi need in a support for her to shine?

[edgy crater]

ange

[honest hill]

I see

[drifting quest]

it's very likely that rossi is a downgrade to pure phys, or pure arts teams
but she will be a usable option for those who want to
i also believe hybrid teams will be weaker than either mono but that's a bit of a given

[honest hill]

gilberta

[drifting quest]

powercreep is bad so its good if rossi is weaker

[normal tangle]

any yvonne knowers know what's up with this

am i missing some tech

[daring dove]

Ardelia basically just becomes Wulf here but with far more utility & team damage buffs.

[drifting quest]

human error prob

[daring dove]

Wulf will be easier though.

[drifting quest]

iana is one guy

[hollow wyvern]

start fight with FS, prob by whiffing the initial shots?

[drifting quest]

doing it in their spare time

[dawn patrol]

i want her to be better given she has the right team but maybe that's wishful thinking

[normal tangle]

it's fine if error, was just making sure i wasn't misinterpreting it lol

[hollow wyvern]

can prob do it for rhodagn by dodging towards him so FS is first one to land or something

[drifting quest]

everyone wants the units they like to be better than existing stuff there's nothing wrong with that

[dawn patrol]

she's just so weird that i legit just hope you get something out of properly rinning her

[drifting quest]

but for the health of the game she should take the L

[honest hill]

hm so that would end up better

[dawn patrol]

that too

[honest hill]

so what shuo was saying she gotta be that 2in1 insane unit otherwise ggs

[drifting quest]

there's nothing wrong with rossi being worse

but yes from the information we have she does appear to be worse

[dawn patrol]

idk maybe it's just me but it'd suck to do allat just to be worse than laev free slaves team

[honest hill]

it's possible her team will be lower investment compared to sustainless phys team

[drifting quest]

ehhh

yesnt

[normal tangle]

ehh

[drifting quest]

depends what team you refer

rossi's teams can be cheaper or more expensive

[normal tangle]

it's gonna need like 3-4 limiteds

[drifting quest]

since she has so many

[normal tangle]

assuming ideal phys arts hybrid or whatever

[gritty briar]

I mean I would kinda hope that an operator releasing with no one who synergizes with it yet would be slightly worse than the team comps that have full synergy
Cause if it was equal with nothing, it'd just end up disgustingly broken eventually

[honest hill]

the one they showed and the one w arde instead of wulf

[gritty briar]

we're bound to get more hybrid ops that work together eventually

[normal tangle]

unfortunate curse of no prior history is that we have no idea if hypergryph is the type of company to rerun synergy characters with new units

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah that's cheaper

cost wise

[normal tangle]

or if we have to wait like a year

[drifting quest]

btu its also almost certainly worse

[honest hill]

like which ones

ye it'll be worse

[gritty briar]

yeah not knowing how reruns work makes everything a lot more painful

[normal tangle]

gilb rossi and then some like future hybrid dps

[honest hill]

but her most expensive team might not even beat phys team hmm

[normal tangle]

current team is cheap because she doesn't really have an ideal team so you just cobble shit together

[drifting quest]

praying for preload on thursday or something

[honest hill]

so rossi team is like she build stacks the phys dps consume it and they do smth w it idk

smth smth

so a dual dps comp

[drifting quest]

if you play hybrid that's the plan yes

[lyric latch]

anyone know what is this debuff?

[dawn patrol]

maybe they'll release an op that wants to consume vuln for arts susc in the future idk

[edgy crater]

xaihi cs?

[normal tangle]

isn't that ardelia sig debuff

[dawn patrol]

or amp or something

[edgy crater]

if its 5s, its xaihi cs for sure

[normal tangle]

the arts susc right next to it makes me think ardelia

[daring dove]

Yeah it kinda of creates a team where Ardelia & Gilberta don't have anti synergy & actually play off each other. Provided the SP gain is solid enough it would be possible to have over 100% shred on the enemy plus a bunch of arts damage buffs. So if Rossi's ult doesn't hit like a wet noodle. You could end up in a situation where Rossi is out-nuking LR & Yvonne.

[glass birch]

Bleh. Too many numbers

[honest hill]

that would be cool

[glass birch]

In practice Navigator is ~5% better than Clannibal assuming P0 vs. P0

[dawn patrol]

gilbless players kicking and screaming rn

[edgy crater]

bruh really?

[lyric latch]

ic thx

[honest hill]

imagine being gilbless

[unreal light]

Bro I’m gonna blow

[glass birch]

Doesnt sound very combat helpful.

[edgy crater]

[drifting quest]

dont worry mods dont do anything for innuendos or nsfw stuff

only offtopic

[unreal light]

Sometimes they do

[drifting quest]

ive yet to see anyone help banned for it

[honest hill]

her eye looks insane

[drifting quest]

whereas multiple people are help banned for off topic

[daring dove]

Yeah, it kinda took me a while to be honest to imagine what Rossi was for. But yesterday when discussing with another player on here it clicked. She can actually use all the most broken support characters in the game in the same team. An that means her potential is actually really high.

[dawn patrol]

look man i didn't get her idk what to tell you

[normal tangle]

that's what happens when you only hire mods that never interact with chat and are only there to flex power when their kitten ignores them

[unreal light]

I’m going to pull for tangtang without any Yvonnas or last rites

Fat girls go away

[normal tangle]

?

[unreal light]

?

[normal tangle]

yvonne and last rite are fat?

can we check this guy's drive

[unreal light]

Yes

[glass birch]

Well depending on the modifiers you want Gilb (Since she pairs extremely well with Rossi's burst and build up) and likely wulf (Since he builds afflictions the fastest for the least amount of SP used)
Who else? Pog for Breach?

[unreal light]

Look at their rear

At their chest

Their boobs and asses are the size of their head

[edgy crater]

kit wise, she can stand alone so its possible to run her as main dps as well

[unreal light]

If catcher is able to become a main dps, anyone is able to

[lyric latch]

I respect your decision. Glory to our Supreme Chief

[daring dove]

Naw, it's Rossi / Gilberta / Ardelia / Pog.

[unreal light]

I’m not pulling for rossi, I guess I won’t be jailed

[glass birch]

You'd be screwing up her combo skill though since you lose out on the efficient affliction stacks

[river vortex]

gonna need to see physical damage multiplier from rossi combo based on infliction stacks or not

and her combo cd too

[glass birch]

And if you want to build her purely for her ult dmg, then something like Perlica/Gil/wulf or perl/gil/ard would be better.

[glass birch]

10s

It'll likely be the same as LR's or close to it since it functions the same. Just purely phys dmg and not arts

Also have to see how strong her talent 2 is and how much it gets buffed via combustion. Could become a situation where you want to ult w/ wulf before ulting w/ Rossi to apply Combust and take advantage of her talent 2

[daring dove]

Nope, I'll explain again, start with a full attack combo (final strike) > Use Ardelia combo into Battle skill > That will Trigger Gilberta combo & then apply a nature stack infliction > Use Rossi Battle skill to eat nature stack & get 3 PHY stacks > At this point you likely pop your Ult on Gilberta & Rossi (Not sure yet) > Then use Pog to eat the 3 PHY stacks & recover SP starting the combo again.

[river vortex]

rossi combo seq2 trading infliction to 2 vuln stacks is pretty strong

[kind iron]

is there a site where I can see all skills for different levels? like I want to know if it is even worth leveling Alesh skill and if yes - to what level

[unreal light]

Talos wiki

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Alesh

[kind iron]

thanks, exactly what I needed

this game have such scarcity of resources that you dont want to blindly level stuff

[glass birch]

You want to have rossi's battle skill applied before her ult for Talent 1 and Talent 2

Since Talent 2 requires the dot/debuff to be applied via the 2nd hit of her BS

[kind iron]

so like based on this you just keep alesh combo skill level 6 to recover 12 sp and never look back

[glass birch]

Rossi's combo skill is what eats afflictions

so it'd be like

Rossi FS
Ardelia Combo
Ardelia BS
Gil Combo
Gil BS
Rossi BS
Rossi Combo
Gil ult
Rossi Ult
etc

[unreal light]

Yes, if you don’t want him to deal damage, this is the best rank

[daring dove]

Opps my bad, still the principle still works, Ardelia is effectively just a Wufguard that actually provides team buffs & heals here.

[kind iron]

realistically, you need to invest quite a lot (at least lvl 80 and lvl 80 weapon) to make your supporters do dmg

I dont think its worth at this point in the game, right?

[unreal light]

I’d say 80/80 is def not a lot of invest

And I would also say, he needs more than that to deal damage

[kind iron]

[unreal light]

Uhhhh

[dry kindle]

(Still won't do damage because ult slave set)

[glass birch]

Yeah but again; it depends on values for her talents. It could turn out that you actually want combust for her talent 2 and still need the afflictions for her combo skill

[kind iron]

I mean yea 80/80 isnt that much, but I would rather spend this stamina to get my electric / physical team going

[drifting quest]

generally the more conditionals that are near mandatory the worse rossi gets

[daring dove]

I mean I'm looking at that fact that for me, (not everyone) Ardelia is nearly doubling my teams damage. Nothing Wulfguard is doing is going to get close to doubling the teams damage.

[river vortex]

how to wait faster

[buoyant yoke]

must be pretty strong to beat out a long 20/28% suscept for all her dmg types

[unreal light]

I might had done some…

Unsound choices

[daring dove]

Wulfguard until further testing is done to show Ardelia doesn't work fine in Rossi Gilberta Comp is just a bad version of Ardelia an doesn't really belong in the comp to be honest.

[glass birch]

Whats the MV added for LR's combo based on afflictions consumed?

[drifting quest]

who is stacking infliction for corrosion otherwise

wulf does it quite a bit faster

[daring dove]

Naw, an what do you mean stacking inflictions for Corrosion you need to clear inflictions for corrosion. Not that Corrosion is important to this comp although having it as well would certainly be nice. The reason you want it is to trgger Gilberta combo skill.

[edgy crater]

unless u talk different thing

[glass birch]

On the skill card not her talent

[drifting quest]

a lot of the cope for gilb rossi is being able to maintain a 4 stack corrosion and have 4 vuln for gilb ult

[night jackal]

I think I'll settle for just TangTang to round out my cryo teams then save for my lightning goddess

[glass birch]

Bonus DMG multiplier per affliciton consumed

[daring dove]

What do you mean 4 stack of corrosion...

[edgy crater]

this one?

[drifting quest]

corrosion increases in potency the more stacks consumed when it is triggered

level 1 corrosion caps at 12%
level 4 corrosion caps out at 24%

base

[daring dove]

Again that's not the important part here you're eating the corrosion on the first rot for the upto 56+% team increased damage.

[drifting quest]

but if you refresh a level 4 corrosion with a level 1 one, then the level 4 effect remains

[glass birch]

Yeah 240% per affliction consumed at r9 with a base of 160.
Oof.

[drifting quest]

its a strong argument to not be running ardelia

or to massively rework rot to fit in

[daring dove]

56% team increased damage isn't a strong argument for running Ardelia over Wulfguard...

Ok I'll leave you to your team then.

[buoyant yoke]

can wulf apply 4-5 stacks in 15 sec?

[daring dove]

Until Ardelia is shown not to work well in this comp I stand by my statement Wulfguard is just a cope verison of Ardelia.

[drifting quest]

3 for 100sp

in like 5s or less

[glass birch]

bs > Combo > Ult > Combo for 3 stacks, 100 sp, 1 ult, and a 10-20s cooldown depending on how much energy you can get

[unreal light]

Why?

[glass birch]

and 10s combust

[glass birch]

They have p5 ardelia

[unreal light]

I see

[glass birch]

its kinda hard to justify to not use that.

[unreal light]

[edgy crater]

p5 ardel? so u gonna just do continously corros

[dry kindle]

The combust isnt doing anything here 🗿

[digital scroll]

Rossi does more damage

[glass birch]

Rossi gets additional hits per crit. These hits do more dmg vs. targets that have combust on them

[digital scroll]

Wulfgard can consume for buff with kit and Clanibal

[glass birch]

Which is also why her ult is her "largest burst window"

[daring dove]

Even with P0/P0 she should be better, it's still approximately 40% more team damage. Wulfguard is just a downgrade other free Ardelia unless there's something I'm missing that fundimentally stops her working which I don't think there is.

[unreal light]

Oh just because she hits many times, and procs her tal, that increases damage whenever you crit?

[digital scroll]

Gilberta just combos better with Wulfgard especially with Ult on start

[unreal light]

Interesting

[unreal light]

They are of different roles

One also might say “Ardelia deals 600% less damage than Surtr”

[daring dove]

You literally combo Gilberta of doing a final strike Wulfguard doesn't combo better at all. We'll see though more testing need to be done.

[dry kindle]

Oh Rossi comp 🗿

Also ew clannibal

[buoyant yoke]

ardelia was my first thought too with rossi, probably will run her anyway because my current team is using gibby and ardelia too. i don't mind the inconvenience of the vuln rn

[glass birch]

Ult has higher Crit Damage as a baseline
Combo provides a CR and CD buff
BS applies a phys DoT that raises both Phys and Heat DMG% as well as enables her Talent 2
Talent 2 applies extra hits whenever she crits, providing healing to herself
Combustion further boosts the damage and healing her talent 2 does with each crit

[dry kindle]

So more obj shilling

Go my 260 charge wulfgard

[digital scroll]

You Ult once with Wulfgard which is faster than a basic combo string unless you do the wind-up basic combo before fight and even then it's still slow because Ardelia small cloud takes a bit to burst, then you need to wait for Ardelia cd to recover when Wulfgard and Gilberta can just use skills for whatever is needed

[daring dove]

That's a pretty cope argument, you're doing a basic combo string anyway. Your ult might not be ready.

[edgy crater]

later it will be 260 ulti gain tang2

[digital scroll]

That's why I said with the changes with Ult always on start...

[daring dove]

Great, but even then (which isn't for all content) just doing a final strike basically isn't a requirement at all.

Final Strike is an easier trigger than Ult

Every time.

[torn pilot]

Hnaf can you believe arknights.gg bamboozled my ass

This whole time I thought Yvonne was a caster

[edgy crater]

[torn pilot]

… because the site said she was

[drifting quest]

its funny that rossi comp might be one of the few that can actually run it

and have it work

[edgy crater]

w8, on beta, whats class yvonne is?

[digital scroll]

Clannibal works well in theory with Rossi

Just have to consume before Rossi ult

[bronze plume]

she was a guard or specialist in cbt1 and tech test i think

[digital scroll]

Yvonne was a caster in cbt2

[bronze plume]

damn

ive failed

[digital scroll]

Tangtang stole her role and cryo Infliction job

[glass birch]

caster sounds right

[edgy crater]

@torn pilot probably from cbt2 info then

but yeah, most gunner being caster on Enfield

[digital scroll]

Yvonne used to work super well as a Sub DPS for LR because of the cryo stacks before the change

[edgy crater]

not anymore

[torn pilot]

Ahh damn

[digital scroll]

Tangtang took her job

[torn pilot]

This whole time I was mind controlled into thinking Gilberta was giving her ult gen

Unbelievable

[daring dove]

I really don't know why they made it so chopped for the two of them to play nicely together.

Maybe just concerned about early power creep.

[digital scroll]

Just wanted to sell Tangtang

[bronze plume]

they just wanted to sell tangtang thats it

[torn pilot]

I’ll be pulling for tangtang for sure but idk about Rossi

Sucks cuz I love Rossi and really want her but idk if it’s worth as f2p

Even if Rossi is top tier somehow it won’t invalidate my current physical team

But having tangtang reasonably makes my Yvonne team a lot better

[daring dove]

If you have Gilberta already she likely is worth it, but the same for Tangtang we need to know their full kit details first.

[torn pilot]

Yeah I already have Gilberta

[drifting quest]

game is easy af anyway

[torn pilot]

True

[digital scroll]

Still a little funny that they showed the Gilberta synergy with Rossi after Gilberta left

[edgy crater]

just go make ange dps

the will of RI uber girl

[daring dove]

I do think Tangtang is going to be universally more useful provided you have a built Ice team to be fair. But I also think Rossi has a potentially stronger team on her hands. But there's too many unknown varables rn to say for sure.

[dry kindle]

Ok but fangyi

[daring dove]

I think the other thing we have to consider with Rossi as well, is she's likely a support for a future character coming in 1.2. So her value could sky-rocket over Tangtang. I suppose the positive side though is we should know what we're getting in 1.2 before Rossi banner ends.

[drifting quest]

It's so over if 1.2 has a rossi shill support

Id quit

[digital scroll]

Rossi is probably a main DPS with everything revolving around her

[bronze plume]

at worst shes a sub dps for a team

[drifting berry]

If we get Rossi support right after Rossi's banner I'm crashing out

[digital scroll]

Liberi girl is next

[daring dove]

She applies inflction stacks too fast with no real way to consume them to be a main DPS to be honest. She's waiting for a character to consume them I reckon but we'll see.

[digital scroll]

Probably

[daring dove]

Not saying she won't be a solid main DPS

Just that it won't be her main DNA.

[digital scroll]

Gilberta increases damage based on stacks and similar Vanguard could come out

[drifting berry]

Honestly I see it being the case, that of Mifu

[drifting quest]

Carry rossi just seems to be the best we can do

At a glance

It could play closer to subdps where you only use rossi for ults

But depends on numbers

[buoyant yoke]

aethertec rossi

[drifting quest]

Rossi Gilb Perlica flex

Or something

[drifting berry]

Good thing is that after Tang2 I might not need to touch Yvonne teams in anyway for a while, but I'm really worried about Rossi, I need some male characters or Mifu so I can skip them

[drifting quest]

And just do perlica gaming 90% of the time

[unreal light]

Tangtang tangtang tangtang flex

And by flex I mean Chen

[daring dove]

Exactly, at least in 1.1 anyway. But Rossi seems to good of a sub-dps in what her kit does. To not eventually get a main DPS partner that goes nicely with her.

[drifting quest]

Different vibes i guess

Tc wise im not hopeful for rossi

[digital scroll]

Do we know if Rossi deals decent damage outside of Ult? Might be worth to run Pog if her DMG is split evenly between Heat and Physical

[dawn patrol]

we do not

[digital scroll]

If she does then Thermite Pog with Frontier set might be good

[daring dove]

If her ult hits like a wet noodle, she's kinda doomed outside of her sub-dps roll. If her ult hits like Last Rites she might dominate the meta. But it's far too early to tell, for all we know once we get her full kit she could be borderline useless or at least very low pull value.

[drifting quest]

Same mult as lr doesnt make her dominate the meta unless it also has a super low cost

[digital scroll]

Now if she does twice what LR does

[dawn patrol]

5000% ult scale

[drifting quest]

Also same ult mult as lr ult still is less than lr combo + ult

[digital scroll]

We just need to wait for the Crit buffer

[bronze plume]

she isnt dominating anything unless her numbers are inflated to kingdom come in 1.1 at least

[lost void]

Hello, anybody tried to make comparison on Artsy, Wedge, Navigator on Tang?

[digital scroll]

We don't have numbers

[daring dove]

I think it would because she has access to better supports than LR, although to be fair there's not a massive margin in it. it's not like Xaihi is much worse than Ardelia an by some metrics she could be considered better. Just too early to tell. I'd say POG with Thermite is definitely better than LR's final slot but we'll see.

[drifting berry]

Also, why does it feel that Last Rite ult is so strong when it has very similar MV to something like Chen Ult?

[drifting quest]

What supports does rossi access that lr doesnt
Xaihi is like pretty good and rossi has no equiv

Pog isnt buffing her ult so isnt all that

[proud vector]

Pog with thermite gaps LR’s slot 4… maybe

Xaihi massively gaps everyone except maybe Gilberta in terms of sheer support for 3rd slot

[lost void]

Rossi is Yvonne of cryo but her kit has more damage output because of her talent

[digital scroll]

Yeah, she pretty forces herself to become her own buffer with the Physical and Heat buff

[unreal light]

Antal

[drifting quest]

Antal's a valid one

[digital scroll]

What about her Physical side

[drifting quest]

Not as good as xaihi though

[unreal light]

Pog

[daring dove]

Like I was saying earlier, POG / Ardelia / Gilberta, for me that's a better support combo than any other unit. But admittedly I'm looking at things from a very high investment aspect.

[drifting quest]

Pog isnt buffing her ult, still

[digital scroll]

You'll never get anything perfect unless it's straight DMG buff or Atk

[drifting quest]

Lr has xaihi gilb ard

[digital scroll]

Rossi being split damage is doing her no favors

[gritty briar]

the buffer for rossi is rossi!
she got that heat/phys damage taken debuff

[unreal light]

I’m unsure about that, haven’t done the calculations

He requires less sp and generates cheaper inflictions (not as if rossi required them or anything)

[gritty briar]

they just need to release 2 rossis

[daring dove]

Why not, with Thermite he would. Although to be fair I still have to work out the timings of everything an when to pop the main ultimate combo. Luckily all of the team buffs linger for a long time so there's plenty of options.

[drifting quest]

Main selling point is stanza access which is a fair one to suggest

But xaihi has the gear swap tech

[lost void]

She is hybrid she can deal both but her output is more of physical than heat.

[digital scroll]

Pog buffs with set, weapon, and Ult other than that his Breach is kinda useless if Rossi is basically Ult or nothing

[digital scroll]

Yeah, but the buffing being separate makes supports awkward

[daring dove]

How is 28% ATK useless & SP gain.

[unreal light]

The more the merrier

If you’re tired of fire team, just swap to phys

[proud vector]

I guess Akekuri might be the better vanguard?

[unreal light]

And vice versa

[drifting quest]

Its less than another unit in the same slot, is the argument

[proud vector]

Heat infliction to help fuel Rossi rotation when ult can’t

Link for ult

Still a great thermite holder

This is dependant on how good the combustion conditional is though

[digital scroll]

It's not, but a big part of Pog is Breach

[daring dove]

Which unit, most of the 4th slots for a lot of teams are pretty cope rn. Which is why most teams don't really have a definitive 4th slot.

[proud vector]

Since that forces Wulf to a degree and removes the first benefit

[lost void]

She can even buff by herself.

[drifting quest]

For rossi? Perlica antal akekuri to name just some

[proud vector]

I mean, it’s not like it’s abnormal for your main carry to buff itself

LR has cryo susc after all

[digital scroll]

Yeah, I know. Laev also buffs herself doesn't mean she still doesn't want supports

[drifting quest]

Main issue is rossi is a guard so might get guard multipliers

[daring dove]

Using Akekuri would kill my ability to use Ardelia which means I lose 56% more team damage. But if I wasn't using Ardelia she'd be a consideration.

[drifting quest]

And brick her carry potential

On top of split scaling

[drifting quest]

How does akekuri stop you running ardelia

[digital scroll]

We have to believe that Crit will carry

[proud vector]

Yea the two should work together fine as far as I can tell

[daring dove]

Need to remove the Phy stacks to proc Ardelia combo skill I think.

[unreal light]

A big part of pog is also fervent morale

[lost void]

Laev+Rossi can work so does Rossi+Ember
Definitely Gilberta will favor Rossi more than Ardelia.

[dawn patrol]

i might genuinely kms if this happens

[proud vector]

Oh right non-endmin comps can’t do that

[drifting quest]

Thats a valid take, to be fair

[digital scroll]

Laev + Rossi

[drifting quest]

Stealing vuln stacks from gilb is pretty miserable anyway

So it does just return back to the argument of benching ard

[digital scroll]

Yeah, Ardelia sucks because of the fact you need vulnerability stacks for Gil

[daring dove]

56% versus 9% isn't argument really.

[tight haven]

why are we using arde over... gil? for rossi?

[proud vector]

Phys susc

[drifting quest]

Using both

[lost void]

Casting Laev ult is already 3 stacks of heat infliction

[dawn patrol]

ion have gilb 💔

[drifting quest]

Add on the buffs you get from the full team

It balances

[tight haven]

oh

so like

[drifting quest]

If not biases

[tight haven]

uh

[drifting quest]

Rossi gilb ard pog

[digital scroll]

Why do you need heat Infliction for Rossi when Laev needs them?

[drifting quest]

Is the suggested comp

[proud vector]

It also depends on Rossi’s true damage type distribution

[drifting quest]

Making the argument for something like rossi gilb ake (antal/perlica/etc(

[digital scroll]

My suggestion
Rossi/Gil/Wulf/Pog

[proud vector]

Which could be arts heavy or not actually as heavy as we think

[modest thorn]

wait is rossi or tangtang coming first

[tight haven]

tt

[proud vector]

Tt

[modest thorn]

[digital scroll]

Maybe Akekuri ends up being better than Pog just cause Ult increase on Link and not worrying about Vul stacks being available for Gil

[lean pawn]

Is this rossi setup?

[digital scroll]

Yeah

[drifting quest]

Praying for an early preload

[dawn patrol]

seeing a lot of gilb rn, making me sad

[proud vector]

that damn lil wolf girl needs inflictions

[daring dove]

Naw I'm fairly confident at my investment the strongest team for Rossi that I can think of RN is Ardelia / Gilberta / Pog / Rossi. An I'm still not sure I can't get the stacks & Ardelia buffs at the same time. But that would be for the second rotation onwards. A lot to experiment with, ultimately it's too early for anyone to call with absolute confidence.

[lean pawn]

So pog is for breach the vuln rossi makes?

Rossi is not even dps?

[digital scroll]

You could

[digital scroll]

She seems to be one

[modest thorn]

gilberta is the dps

[lean pawn]

Gilb be nuking ig

[tight haven]

pretty much

that and he prints sp

[drifting quest]

Id expect p0p0 rossi comp to end with her as a subdps for perlica
Rossi perlica gilb flex

[drifting berry]

Praying for for 1500%+ MV on Rossi's ult

[drifting quest]

Vibes alone

[digital scroll]

Breach is only useful if Rossi Physical side is relevant

[proud vector]

If Rossi isn’t DPS she doesn’t outcompete subdps or pure support due to kit we think

Something along those lines?

[lean pawn]

Rossi kit looks so cool but shes vanguard so like..

[drifting berry]

Guard

[dawn patrol]

she's a guard

[tight haven]

pog might be useful purely for ult spam since rossi seems to be very proficient at procing steel oath

[proud vector]

…? She’s a guard like endmin

[tight haven]

not going arts int

maybe

[drifting berry]

They don't info like multiplier but yeah guard

[lean pawn]

Ye but she doesnt really do anything that makes ton of crush dmg

[lost void]

Laev Ult ᐅ Rossi ult ᐅRossi CS ᐅLaev BS ᐅ Rossi proc talent 2

[drifting berry]

How do you do the arrow thing?

[digital scroll]

Yeah, Steel oath is good, but with Crit gear I have a feeling more Atk won't be as impactful especially if Pog is on Thermite

[drifting berry]

l>

[proud vector]

It’s a special character

Can copy the text of their message

[lost void]

→
➠

[lean pawn]

Tbf chen shreds with her ult so we will see how good rossi stats be

[drifting berry]

▲

[lost void]

☞

[fervent totem]

[daring dove]

Rossi Laevatain hu, I mean there's a chance they work together. But Rossi better be really darn good at buffing heat damage. For it to be worth her eating heat stacks off enemies.

[digital scroll]

Okay... I suppose you could do that, but it's still bad to run them together when both will be eating Heat stacks and you won't get Ult on second rotation

[lean pawn]

I didnt pull for gilbert thinking tang tang is phys T_T and now rossi just spooked me

[proud vector]

Beware the man that speaks in hands

[drifting quest]

Split element really does just grief her

[dawn patrol]

should've just been a normal striker smh

[lean pawn]

Wont endmin be better with rossi then again you still need pog..or ake ig

[lean pawn]

Shes prob a setup for future char that will benefit of rossi supporr

[terse valley]

for avywenna how much better is pulser gloves compared to yinglung gloves T1?

[digital scroll]

Endmin seems like more damage, but I question the SP needed for proper rotation

[daring dove]

To be honest, The devs just seem really scared of directly buffing heat team rn. I mean they even swapped Gilberta's element from heat to Nature to make sure heat team didn't get a buff.

[proud vector]

Not actually that bad

300 sp per 18~ s is doable (endmin returns 50 helps a little)
Da Pan might be better though

[lost void]

Since Rossi ult does not make her do BA, FA, Finisher Laev can still benefit from talent one assuming Rossi is control.

[dawn patrol]

i mean i appreciate that they went and did something weird and wacky with rossi but that kinda just makes her suck

getting griefed by her own designers

[lean pawn]

In the furure they prob plan even more wacky stuff cause mono archetype is boring

[fervent totem]

dual scaling never ends well

[daring dove]

That's a little too early to call. Like I said earlier there's a chance she ends up being a key part of the strongest team in 1.1. But like everything else 1.1 related rn it's all speculation.

[dawn patrol]

i hoppe we end up getting a proper rossi team somewhere down the line or she's going to be the biggest victim in endfield history

[warm galleon]

Scales with second stat

[daring dove]

I do agree Tangtang is the safer bet though.

[lost void]

You want Wolven Ambrage+Razorclaw mark active when Laev has 4 Melt Flame and her ult active.

[lean pawn]

Only if chinese server were ahead...

[digital scroll]

One thing though is that you probably still want Vulnerability stacks for when Gil ults and that might be hard to regain if Endmin uses them, so perhaps Panda is the way if you want a second DPS instead of a Vanguard

[lean pawn]

If you got cryo team, I have phys and laev so I will for rossi just on the bet of good synergy in the future

[glass birch]

wolven ambrage is the name of BS SEQ2. Razor clawmark is rossi's talent 1

[proud vector]

really, all of this is really trusting ult is pure arts damage. We don’t know the ratio of ult damage vs talent 2 triggering many many times due to ult’s insane multi hit

IF it’s nearly pure arts damage and a lot of it, yeah gilb be gilbing

If not? Who knowwwwws

[lean pawn]

I got 71k oro so gotta spend on something when I skipped on gilbert..

[terse valley]

19.2% electric dmg vs +43 secondary attribute which one's better?

[lean pawn]

Tbf skipping on gilbert will prob weaken rossi

[drifting quest]

Elec%

[dawn patrol]

this is why i regret not pulling gilb so bad

[digital scroll]

I really do think her Ult is entirely Arts damage considering that's all Gilberta buffs

[glass birch]

Rossi's ult is indeed 100% heat damage

[lean pawn]

Not the end of the world tbf

[daring dove]

Yeah fair, I have two high investment teams. Both heat & ice rn. So for me I can go either way. But I'm also likely going to pick up Rossi an start building a PHY team at some point. Not that Rossi really needs a PHY team to function.

[proud vector]

bah, I count talent 2 triggers during ult as part of the profile

[lean pawn]

You got gilbert?

[proud vector]

There is a reason they made the start of the ult massive multi hit and it’s probably to buff the weapon which has a crit thing lol
But also talent 2

[dawn patrol]

it's not but it's definitely something i could've avoided if not for hg's schedule

[lean pawn]

I kinda just wanna rossi cause how wacky she is lol

[dawn patrol]

getting rossi info after gilb banner ends is insane work

[lean pawn]

Only if we were 6 month ahead from chinese server xd

[bronze plume]

striker is le whale archetype

[lost void]

That's why Gilberta fits Laev+Rossi or either Ember+ Rossi since ember has kd+heat inf

[proud vector]

But also some of us don’t have Gilberta sadly

[lean pawn]

Idk what thar means

[bronze plume]

striker is a whale

[dawn patrol]

hi, that's me

[lost void]

Ardelia, Akekuri, Antal either of the triple A's

[daring dove]

Basically I have every character in the game almost at P5.

[gritty briar]

ember + rossi sounds like crazy copium to me

[digital scroll]

Hypergryph says you should have pulled

[lean pawn]

I am okay with not having gilbert I already had a hunch she be strong cause of zhuang fang yi and yet I still didnt pull

[proud vector]

Ardelia gets turned off by no ability to cleanse vulns off
Unless pog or endmin

[drifting berry]

I pull Gilberta because I though Rossi was Nature

[lean pawn]

Wallet yeowch

[dawn patrol]

can you introduce me to your job

[lean pawn]

Close ig

[digital scroll]

You still won

[glass birch]

Ember only has KD and extra stagger. It might be good ig for the stagger damage boost?

[lean pawn]

That means mifu wont be electro will she be another heat?

[proud vector]

Mi fu nature puncher

[drifting berry]

idc how strong Mifu is going to be, I skip

[digital scroll]

Let's be serious. Mi Fu is Electric and BIS for Fangyi

[drifting berry]

The only character that is somewhat skippable

[lean pawn]

So 2 banner consecutively electro?

[digital scroll]

Cryo says hi

[proud vector]

We will be having double cyro

[lean pawn]

Zhyang cryo?

[lost void]

Then it's Ember+Akekuri+Rossi

[dawn patrol]

yvonne and tt

[proud vector]

Yvonne > Tangtang

[drifting berry]

Cyo meanwhile back to back to back

[bronze plume]

lets be serious, tangtang is cryo and rossi is physical so who tf knows what they finna do