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it's whateva i'm rocking that gilbless rossi shit
umm, just pull whoever u like at launch to be fair.
Lae is perfectly fine p0p0
unfortunately dev seems have their own issue againts fire team, with all the fire resist mobs
Only go in more if you like her
pots in AK games dont seem to make that much of a difference
ok but upside is that i can fuck rhod up easily gg
i didnt even know we have fire resist mobs 💀 in umbral or what? dont think it matter muchyet
Me fr fr
ion even try anymore i just go and beat his ass 💔
For Endfield it’s not the same
each mob has its own resistance, check in archive
gambler's mindset
We have fire resist mob?
still, doesn't make a giga difference tho
This could have fitted better w the Frostmourne and Arthas.
not really fire res mobs
just mobs with higher fire res than the rest
Does 88.4% sound little?
We do but Laev ignores fire resist by 20% btw
still like c res at best lmao
bonekrusha arsonist is x0.5
fuck the arsonist
to me yea 
there's a couple x0.8
whose pot is this
Ok then
Well how much would TT signature affect team dps 
Supercharge Lae
Not gonna think bout it
I’m broke
TT gotta live off scraps now
Qingbo stockade need to go get jobs
can't believe i have to wait 4 weeks for rossi but at least i get more time to save
like at p5 ? which pot enable it
the supreme chief deserves her weapon
Kinda bummed that there are no bombs in her kit
p4 ?
they have resistance but its not really matter tbh currently
You’ll probably want to build multiple teams long term though
its not like the current mob is threatening enough 
48% at solo right ? this is solo calc ?
I see some people just going m12 on all their supports in 1 team
Such a waste 
Or like they’re starting
Just going masteries
No sign of 2 team gamemode yet
eventually that will happend, but i see this game take things slowly
team calc but specific shared rotation and specific shared team
Or it may never be, who knows, when it comes we will deal with it
it would pretty much stay between a 20%-60% improvement for getting p5 for a game like this ngl
and hope so, unlike some game starts with h
Arknight always reasonable in term of giving content, they never really rush things
would people get mad if they endfield make endgame modes that doesnt give pull rewards like AK 
most of the bottleneck always come from the resources. Even the OG AK power up resources is hellish

Possibly, can’t satisfy everyone
not me personally but yes people would
By the time one shows up it’ll be too late to regret and people will complain
Or are you relying on leaks
people from hoyo or kuro would get upset

or will just doompost endfield down 💀
Meh I think i can make a cope team with all the off rate that i have 
goes hand in hand
I want all the tourists to just go already
It’s such a drag 
I would be more sad if i make a second team and never touch it
?? Gameplay diversity is a thing
Not for me, i live and die with Lae
i mean i'm not opposed to gamemodes that don't give pulls but sss and ra suck so bad that idk if they can make a good one
ra fans don't talk to me
damn
sss fans don't exist so i don't gotta worry about that
One message removed from a suspended account.
Contingency contracts
And the medal will be based on total number of contingencies 
I only care if there’s new char/gear that will make my Lae stronger
my goat shuo liked ra2??? goat status revoked
arknights pull income in a year was like what ? 300 and climb up to nearly a thousand no ? Hope we get more pulls from more passive stuffs tho if they want to make replayable endgame without pulls rewards.
i just hope we get more pulls i really dgaf how they do it
Gib me so I can tinker more
add materials monthly to valley cuz why not 
just send it straight to my mail for all i care
i want Rossi to be playable 
They’ll just keep making content that can get updated to add more content that has rolls
Look they already figured out logic gates and RAM in factory
4 weeks until her banner is diabolical i'm already shaking and trembling
You’ll probably be able to download year 2-3 and not miss that much
i need to gamble so bad /s
If we don’t give factory players any content they will start programming doom into the game

i need to see bad apple in endfield before i can call it a good factory sim
the only limiting things for that now is just space
might be close
wtf do i do with my sanity
you can get T-Credits if confused I think
it needs to be animated or it doesn't count smh
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yea I was going to grab the link xd
this cannot be real
It do be real
non ra fans dont understand art smh
Everything can be real with Chinese ancient magic
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We wil have better zoom out
Higher resolution bad apple possible!

it isnt
It’s a timelapse of screenshots yeah
Programmable bad apple is limited atm by lack of space
We don’t have enough ram (ingame, not computer)

they need to add factorio circuit contraptions
Shaking my head my head
yeah that's the joke thank you
Btw the way
Rip in peace chat.
dead game fr
Wake me up when 1.1 live.
Or at least when we get new character/gear data lol
it'll be dead outside of vibecrafting and that itself has already peaked yesterday
no point doing any tc for existing stuff since new gear is coming
no point trying to hard tc anything for new stuff because no numbers
most of the more hardcore tc people went on break till 1.1 already anyway and we likely wont get numbers till patch comes live so its just gonna be dead
gotta wait for the 12th for anything to happen huh
it'll be all tangtang stuff
datamine will get rossi values and then a week or two later things pivot to rossi
most likely
I just hope the new gear pieces don't just completely outperform the 1.0 gear pieces
Like if I have to change a piece or two, fine, but if I have to change every Laev piece? Kinda gross
i think it'll just be sidegrades bc no way they're gonna powercreep gold gear already
only in english did they say upgrade
Yeah I know
What was the verb in other languages?
update / additional gear / etc
I see ty
english tl sucked in general
for the stream and in game
various mistranslations, poorly worded things
Yeah, I'm used to that at this point lol
stream had yinglung twice, etc
oh boi the vietnamese one is WAYYYY WORSE
feel like it's google translate, people 've been complaining since beta and no changes 😭 , they still reached out tho
Tang getting Arts Susceptibility kinda sad cuz I like Gilb. Now the real struggle is picking best team 
if u like gilb then keep playing gilb, why fomo
Tangtang having suscept doesnt necessarily bench gilb
ofc -- always play what is more fun. Just saying art amp with Xaihi and thermite cutter on Alesh is really nice too. Just gotta make hard choices I guess.
Ur playing yvonne? I feel like tangtang xaihi alesh is gon be the standard and tangtang gilb xaihi gon be the better perlica gilb xaihi comp, sp hungry so feels not very nice to play but strong ult
hope they add more sp gimmicks like sp refund of last rite
Tangtang damage matters too
yeah -- going all in on Yvonne and just play her until I quit the game or it goes EoS...lol. I got really lucky and took her to P5. Only operator I am intentionly taking past P0 -- so not trying to whale on this game. Just been having a ton of fun with Yvonne and even trimmed on Umbra Agony where I struggled with my Laev team. I think it was just a sign that Yvonne just works better for me.
yeah cant say much, im just based on the qol that tangtang seems to give to yvonne rn
Gilb as the flex is more promising with no numbers right now
u got her to p5 ? zamn
I was hoping Yvonne, Gilb, Tang, Alesh maybe in general clearing and maying Yvonne, Tang, Xaihi, Alesh for bossing. Gilb/Yvonne combo is just really fun in AoE clears.
got really lucky and again -- only operator I am doing this too. Gacha whaling ruined me in other games and quit for awhile. Not going back to that gambling addiction.
the comp is not fixed, this game is still pretty flexible so dont stress over it tbh. Yeah, try to not gambling too much.
holy mistyped
if you're not minmaxxing you can run basically anything
just requires more gamesense, investment and skill the more you diverge from it
playing uma is more stressful than this game for me ...
You guys are getting translations?
Uma has pvp
and also an incredible tc community 
too sweaty, might just drop the next hellish scenario and just play on jp
do u guys think yvonne xaihi tangtang gilberta would be the way?
dunno just wait for tangtang numbers
is there a nature + cryo reaction?
that's just solidification or corrosion depending on the order
so we still get the dmg boost from gilberta even without perlica yea?
Guys is it worth it to max upgrade support characters to lvl 90 at endgame?
depends on the support
It depends on the support
I mean at some point of time you’ll have as much resources to upgrade everyone, so
If you have other stuff to upgrade, start with it
If you don’t, feel free to
I see, aight thanks for the insight
what are akekuri's ult charge breakpoints
if you done with your dps, why not
What team what rotation what content
aint 200% already achievable with max artificing these
200, plus
i forgot the exact value because i didnt see a need for it
but its higher than the possible with max artifice
err lets just say laevatain wulfgard antal akekuri, and i dont really have a rotation in mind
guess i'll just run fortmaker since thermite cutter is on my pogchamp
and i cant be bothered to swap
You dont need fortmaker bar some suboptimal rots
209% is fine for most laev stuff
Can overcap but not to the point where its worth minmaxxing small amounts of int
alr thanks for your help
honestly id swap them, at least pog can make decent use of thermite
meant to reply to this but my body fails me
Just share the thermite
I want y'all to be honest with me
is this game even considered hard at all? 
I think it's just very time consuming at the beginning only, because so many stuff to do yeah?
after that all combat is easy?
idk reading is hard
games easy mode atm

i hope it will get harder content
the character development material shortage is short-lived, the pulls shortage is short-lived, the combat is easy, etc
theres a curve but its going downwards lol
Game is trivially easy
Solo clear trims are everywhere
TC chat is hyperbolic in that sense
When a unit is called bad
Its relative not objective
Well
Its both
Sometimes
I should say its relative not in a vaccuum
personally the game is not like fuck you, 10000000 hp with 1000000 damage hard
Hardest part is memorising a rotation
its decently challenging enough to keep you entertained for the first 2 hour of release
i mean if they game were any harder than it is now the people qqing about umbral monument would quit instantly
the amount of people that have issues on the 2 chargers is funny
Endgame is supposed to be hard, not horrendous.
#arknightsendfield #endfield
this brings me joy
i will say the game is hard in the same way certain soulslikes are hard until you get geared
everyone likes to say they beat elden ring but how many can say they beat it without getting absolutely overgeared
is this bait
the followup is OP doign it with a chen solo but still managing to lose cc control while both the bulls were in a corner
oh... God... that remind me of the early release when Marble haven't been nerfed.
there is actually this player that can't clear Marble boss in the main story. and have the audacity to say that he have cleared all dark souls game 💀
Now all the people from my previous video can stfu👌🏻
#arknightsendfield #endfield
he give up on laevatain

he couldve just juggled it infinitely but he decided to ulti 
i love the "im actually good at the game" vibes this has and then they use a character that trivializes the fight
most of the issues the game has with being "difficult" is usually you aren't using the right setup or you are just bad
just cut out the middle part
that is also fair
i employed the strategy of hit it until it dies
story mode i beat first time
so the re-crisis shooketh me when i realised i could actually die 
got the trim on my 3rd try when i switched to onfield xaihi to get LR combos faster
tbh i literally one tap all main story boss....
as you should
but that probably because I'm using LR
i was really overgeared by the time i reached dorito
well, "overgeared"
i just crafted blue gear or sth
sincei had to for the missions
LR makes things pretty easy if you have the team setup
Are you a real bronya?
yes I'm Real Bronya 


yea i wore blue gear all the way until yellow gear unlocked
Herrsher of Nizhny Tagil
didn't even make any purple
i had to make purple for the mission
then they gave everyone 500 cryston components
gee thanks
totally didnt refit my entire factory just to do that one mission 
oh yea i forgot about that mission so i did make some purple gear lol
i think i did when we got the components
That's what kinda suck with LR & Yvonne, they rely too much on team setup to make their skilla hit hard, unlike Tang².
She has SP return, can deal continuous damage/DoT and can shift from DoT to nuke by consuming waterspouts to whirlpool so those playing Avywenna can easily adapat to her rotation.
if a character didn't need proper support why even have a 4 team setup
its good character design in this space
Lr being team reliant and having hard to trigger(relatively) gimmick for ult gain and dmg is nice
Makes it feel justified for her to nuke
Well there can be burst phase that won't require too much ramp/build up.
yea she does all the things to make her work on her own
the support team just makes it faster
I'm aware of that and there are also trimmed parry solo even from a 4 star or 5 star defender.
the game is not hard to begin with
they really should have given Yvonne a way to inflict herself
look at that dodging window 
you practically could dodge like even full 60 frame away
maybe even 120
I guess the reason why Tangtang was made to be cryo is to have easier piloting to damage output without too much reliance from external sources and conditions.
Since by herself she can inflict cryo and arts burst which compared to both Yvonne and LR need to stack it to 4 for maximum efficiency.
TangTang is exactly what she needed but sadly i think others were correct that LR will probably be able to use her better
ya hypergryph hasnt shown how merciless they are yet 
buuut people can stop parroting "yvonne bad" once she comes out
yea i'm excited for 4 stack cryos now
had to settle for 3 stacks on current content
Also Tang has arts sus which make her flex 4th for any team more so for heat comp since they lack cc..
i'm chomping at the bit for some actual difficult stuff, give me raid mechanics
we got abit of that in the new boss i think
i hope its not some trivially easy side minigame
New Bull boss seems to have survivability phase instead of just nuke it down fast.
they already have auralyne models in the game, make us collect light or dark ones to dmg a boss in certain phases
Tangtang move speed buff upscale
force us to intterupt red circles to get dmg through
shit anything other than "do you have big boom character?"
make a boss split your team into 3 zones and you have to pilot 1 operator per zone to get out of the zone for phase 2

i'm down
oh wait thats abit too close to something else
I wonder why she was not made nature instead since she is using water. Also she can slow and stop time and can also speed up
people standard way too high 
no people read one thing and take it as gospel, people that could do their own theory crafting and sheets were playing her just fine
there was also a limited number of people that actually had her due to getting her on the laev/gilberta banners
I want more crit buffer beside p5 perlica 
this person who has water powers struggle to fill water bottles in a river e pour water in another container for months
I CANT wait for Tangtang. Only thing im worried about: will she do enough damage to be main DPS, kill bosses, & clear umbral monument
once she was banner available the videos started flooding of actually decent dmg
she can
Among 3 I think Gilberta has the most value since she can fit all team comps.
Source?
everything fine for me
nothing crazy for a 1.0
Base on the gamemplay I think she can since she's not the Avywenna type but her playstyle is the same. She can do continuous damage/dot, which has larger aoe than Yvonne BS, and can willingly increase the output depending on how many whirlpools she will unleash.
the gacha feels horrible tho
this shit is not the wind
Clear umbral? Kill bosses? Yes outside of a baffling timeline where tangtang has atrocious multipliers
Be competitive with existing hypercarries as a main dps? Very unlikely
I did pull on Gilb banner waiting for a duplicate but Laev spook up. Now she's just benched since I never uae heat team.
if you got either of the 3 then thats not a rate off
Thats the problem with me. Im not okay with that.
then skip tangtang
No
not everyone can be an optimal hypercarry
Arakuri hypercarry, trust 
she’s a caster
she’s not gonna do maindps dmg
They should've just made her a main dps, not a support caster for Yvonne
that’s like her whole role
fuck no dude
we do not need a 3rd cryo mdps
just like how they should've made rossi a hypercarry

Say that to Perlica doing Umbral axe & ballista in less than 30 seconds.
but alas
When is 1.1 releasing?
We can agree to disagree then
Phase 1 & 2
Rossi first on the 12th 6:01
I genuinely dk what thst means but thanks
rossi is second
idk where the idea she is the first banner came from
we drop Dijanggo trash to Terra II Baby!

So basically Tangtang is a support
ill be writing an email to HG ssying how much of a horrible decision this was
tangtang is a subdps with supportive capabilities
They will not release the entire 1.1 at the get go.
can't wait to cook up some rossi hypercarry bullshit with no gilb 🔥
only 4 weeks left
thats the beauty of the game
Even semi-support can become main DPS when built in such way.
Perlica with Oblivion will make other hypercarries relying on support look weaker than they really are.
cooks some bullshit and make it work 
yes, i never said you couldnt force her as one
only that the role she was designed for is a subdps with supportive capabilities
people in tc when talking about a char's optimal role:
and that she is unlikely to be competitive with existing hypercarries
lacking trust
we need more imagination
Meanwhile this is the perfect situation for me. Tangtang is my favorite from the new region but I like to play melee. So having her as a support/subdps is just the ideal scenario even more that I am also playing cryo.
tc as a channel is mostly for minmaxxing
i mean i've seen solo ember trims
chad
so naturally there are not as many people interested in other stuff
it exists obviously but its just small pockets of people
hi i'm small pockets of people
i dont tend to see anything but feelscrafting for it either
even in other language communities
Are they did something except Rhodagn?
Except Umbral, because it is joke
i only feelscraft bc i don't know how to do math 
public damage calcs are starting to come out now
https://youtu.be/r9HC3dCc1Uk?si=_4mRHBbhrJ9Lt0Fr
Imagine Perlica already reaching 500k with only Gilberta supporting.
Could definitely go higher with a full cheering squad and maxed essence. The build doesn't require heavy crit fishing since Perlica's build can go up to 65% critical chance. 95% exclusively for her Ultimate. Brought a more practical team because why not, I like Snowshine.
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if Danjin on wuwa could become hypercarry. I believe Rossi can 
lisara
crit fishing
if non dps units can become hypercarries rossi can
Lisara
(already enough)
i've only seen rhod ones but it's still impressive
Well, funnily enough there's a run with Catcher that 11 seconds faster than last Ember clear Ive seen
that's just bc catcher is the goat
i wonder what her dmg split will be like, i just hope it's not like 90% ult dmg bc i'm getting tired
https://youtu.be/2ZjwlCfjL5E?si=6hOqMhBeJHc9ao2Y
Perlica doing 30 sec on Umbra 1..
Umbral Speedrun Any% with Carebear, Pengmin and Transport Onee-san.
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crit fishing
would endmin chen gilb and rossi work as a team or is it just a bad gimmick and isnt worth pulling for
what's gilb there for
rossi proc?
stanza holder
being cute
i thought rossi needed both a physical and elemental thing
but yeah, GIl+Rossi basically together
you're better off just running normal phys probably
Thats what Gil does kinda
the issue with a lot of rossi comps is that trying to cover both sides of her kit always ends up looking like sunk cost
yeah thats what im thinking
rossi is a new and quirky unit without proper teammates yet
we're stuck waiting on numbers to see what the least bad / most optimal rossi stuff is
so they will try to lean into it later or just pass on it and wait longer first?
i'm pulling anyway but her situation doesn't look good
relative to existing teams of course before people get on me again
Does that also apply to Yvonne?
ngl i was saving up a bit for her but now im looking and it seems meh idk what to do
shuo getting ptsd from that one guy
just wait till they release the Rossi ideal partner in the next banner that is also sword physical
does that also apply to character built around critting
dwdw it makes a lot of sense
and that partner gonna be put into Physical team without rossi
it just i was hyped for rossi but im also a meta glazer so now im stuck
in terms of meta it looks dire but her kit is actually interesting so that's nice
Or probably go LR or Laev crit type.
im glad that we're not stuck in powercreep every unit is a new meta shill
yeahh
sloprail 🔥
for now
it will defo work more once we get more diverse roster
can't wait to do nicheknights in endfield once we get a big enough roster
It's already happening. Solo Catcher?
waiting for guardknights to be real
we already have chen rossi endmin we just need a guard with arts inflict 🔥
chen rossi endmin lifeng is a theoretical guardknights that works already
has its issues ofc
rossi with 0 use in it besides moral support xd
rossi is NOT proccing her cs 💔
fr
emotional support
just put her in the wheelchair alr
she's a service animal
i get the 2 phys in 2 cs is strong but having to sac a teammate for it for a infliction is rough
Rossi+ Ember
does it work well?
i have no clue about ember since i dont have her :<
still making hypercarry rossi whats her best team so far 
rossi + ember would be dogshit
i presume gilberta ake
depends on multipliers
that actually does get me 2 separate teams
assuming her ult is the main portion of her damage share as the video said
gilb (perlica/ake/wulf/antal/ard/a couple other options) x2
if you want an educated opinion ask shuo
since i have endmin physical
Her BS deal heat+KD. Probably toss in Rossi's bro?
depends on her energy cost really
we might end up on some nonsense like alesh to battery her
gilbless rossi gaming 🔥
rossi small so small energy cost right..?
the range is like 100-240
this time i'm really gonna do it
was gonna say yeah its defo on the lower end unless she has a large energy producing cs or skill or smthn
Meanwhile me i did 3 hours of gruelling stuff just to maximize my aic in prep for 1.1lol

blueprints? or making urself
until during rossis banner we find out the first unit of 1.2 actually solves most of her problems and makes her the best dps in the game (looking at you yvonne)
Its all over the place ngl hahaha
i wonder what gear rossi will be running
Rossi works well with shatter comp since they consume solidification and can start off arts infliction count back to 0. And she can double her vuln stack output to 2 asap.
it'd have to be like liz
Wuling and jingyu
which doesnt seem likely on vibes but hey neither did cryo tangtang or physical rossi
Made mostly
yo battery is draining cro
whats the team then
you're running out of power cro
woah advanced endmin stuff
Just use ardelia pepega
i mean that's the plan
Rossi being physical and Tang tang being cryo makes shatter team rejoice.
Is your v4 stash full or why all the protocol stashes?
holy lowk i never even realised that there was a hologram thing behind in char select
i don't want to be rude but have you considered getting your vision checked
no
maybe you should
Stocking up batteries
To level up right away in 1.1
But it will require the new ore 🙂 Qingbo sub PAC
are you at inventory cap for batteries?
we're not getting a new subpac idt
No new subpac
did they say no new subpac or what
My Wuling subpac is left unused anyway
they didn't say anything so we're assuming no new subpac
Thanks to resource limit
its gonna suck having to pylon from stockades
and be stuck on only one to sell to too
All of the new resource Wuling tier II are for Qing Bo.
Forge.
just gonna wait a few days to see how the aic stuff ends up being and for people to make prints lmao
Welp i also asked thst in aic channel they said no new subpac so i guess no new subpc xd
theoretically can we run ult gain alesh with rossi
ult gives ice i think
I just need morr ferrium ore tbh
she can apply her physical dot on top of shatter damage without any interference/contradiction.
Rossi>T2 for whales but it’s only marginal stuff not really needed
If it turns out that the red ore took most of the mine and only have enough ferrium for
1 line of jingcao

Need her to spam her wolf jack knife.
God i will riot
imagine no more ferrium
Cryston bottles anyone ?
metastorage transfer is almost enough to stop the ferrium bleeding
Regional your ferrium parts
hope you guys have some excess xiranite/xiranite liquid bottles for whatever new overworld blight puzzles they add
Meta your bottles
Oh i did some stockpiling xd
i have like 39 bottles it's joever
well maybe that's enough
minimum 48k needed
just mentioning it cause i wouldn't be surprised if some people just hold 0
More important question is, can we spray people with the new byproduct?
Isn't region transfer unlock at like lv6 or 7
wait does that mean i need to artifice all over again with red stuff
You dont have max djiang?
level up 👍
am i missing something
wtf does dijiang even do man 💔
i didnt find dijiang difficult...
can’t you max out dijiang in like 5 days
idk a really slow way of getting some mats?
I find you difficult
Yes lmao
ow
..

my statement still holds true
Signal for me to go to bed
but like
what if you did the extra -40 stamina things first

holy cwap
Good thing I stock up crystons
pretty sure i capped my batteries yesterday at 48k 😭
wait if we make sewage now
can i just pollute all of wuling
turn it into slopling
Stock up V4 with 80k wuling batteries
I was looking at Rossi's kit and I don't really get who she's supposed to play with. Would she be good in a main dps wulfguard comp?
maybe ™
she has a ton of comps, from just her kit alone none look that good relative to existing team comps
we just don't know
waiting on numbers
we are not the knowers
might save her
sadly we wont get the numbers until patch goes live, if its like arknights
Ehh
can't wait for the 1.2 rossi support
She might go to my cryo team
and then i gotta drop another hundred bucks on this game
I don't think i have enough brain power to time Perlica electricfication
For the 1 million dmg nuke

Might swap out Ardelia for gilberta tbh
Then the entire cryo team will be 4/4 waifu team
as much as it sucks for rossi players
i really hope she doesnt have a dedicated support in 1.2
shuo wishes harm upon me
i simply dont wish for the trend to be
release unit with some problems > immediately sell unit to fix problems
dps (yvonne) > support that fixes issues (tangtang) > dps (rossi) > support that fixes issues (hypothetical rossi gap bridger) > dps (mifu or something) > support that fixes issues (fangyi)
it'd just be so doomed
you're so right on this and i agree
but also oughhhhh no rossi support it's so over
tbf it's not really that big of a deal but i hope she at least gets a dedicated support eventually
same
it's also just kinda lame if every team comp is just a unit + a tailor made support perfectly designed to support them
no creativity if they just create the teams for us
that they went out there and experimented with rossi
i do think that unfortunately she needs to be the sacrifice though
i mean since she's kind of a bumass weirdo i wouldn't be surprised if she does get a dedicated support
It’s all commenting on status quo where people don’t have there stuff maxed yet
I mean, they can fix that with future ops
Make the Liberi split scaling too or someshit
Relevance of units is nonlinear depending on investment and how is that reflected in tc calcs… it’s not
To the point where the rotation changes completely
define dont have stuff maxed yet
tons of people have maxed teams
plenty more have teams that are effectively maxed, as in not investing in stuff that does not have relevant improvements
damage on pure supports, etc
Well, then I miss something
I play for 3 weeks and my Laev has little to do with her version from a week ago and also not much with recommended rotations anymore
mine was like 2 weeks in bc i was busy building phys for some reason
i just really liked lifeng ig
10% cdr on what? combo skill?
is going 9/9 ult efficiency on gil sig worth the grind? i have it at 7/9 now.
Yes cs
what gun is good here for yvonne?
its a 1s reduction (or none for some units, or more than 1 for like fluorite)
run clannibal, dont upgrade it too much, aim to try get the BP box if you can, else hope you can off rate a copy of wedge
is it worth to do a single arsenal issue for her guns
no
if you cant guarantee (8 attempts) then dont bother
especially in yvonne's case because the off rates on her banner are pretty mid
btw. what BP box u talking about
this?
Battle Pass Freemium and Paid Tiers have a selector box with (worse than sig) weapons for the banner units of the pass
So one for Laevatein, one for Gilberta, and one for Yvonne
in 1.0
the 1.1 one will not include any of those 3, instead having 2 new ones for Tangtang and Rossi
oh so wedge works with yvonne better?
Assuming equal potentials (dupes) Wedge is better than Navigator (the BP weapon) but is still worse than her Sig (Artzy Tyrannical)
Whale rotations may differ
what
Point being if rotations differ incremental investments don’t mean diminishing returns
As there is a rotation assumption in all damage calcs or not
i have no idea what the relevance is, you will have to explain yourself better
so uh
did I see right, we got a new cryo caster with tangtang?
yvonne team upgrade? 
probably, almost certainly but impossible to say with 100% certainty
having 2 dps in cryo team sounds like it'll be a big boost
hopefully they work well together
aoe cryo skill for tangtang go brr
oh lol, that's literally her combat skill, that's good
guess she's the cryo version of gilberta
got a question, at the start of the dev vid for tangtang in the yvonne vid, tangtang starts the fight with her skill, immediately spawning 3 waterspouts 
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does she have a start of battle insta 3 stacks thing or something
or is it just dev hacks
Prob just dev things
as soon as she fired she got the blue whirlpool icon (which usually shows up on ult)
talent?
nothing visually on the ground either

We dont really see or hear anything about tang tang's talents, at least that I remember, so maybe?
Yeah about 15 sp per
waterspout into cryo bomb is gonna be a blast
Dunno if there's a cap, maybe 30?
There's an indicator left of her hp bar that shows how many pools are already down
yeah
Probably just not on screen
whoa, and her combo is just free
first talent makes whirlpools slow enemies and increase operator speed
TANGTANG IS DIO
also that brings a new status, stasis or something
Yeah it's timestop
Just a new debuff like rossi's DoT from clawmarks
Or you mean the slow?
her ult also seems to put down 3 waterspouts straight up
Movement speed reduction
she can trigger 3x with her skill instead of a jump attack
she can freeze bosses too 
so you don't need to jump for those, maybe for higher multis
Although jump attacks costs 0 sp
but the sp effects and such prob the same
yeah, problem is if you wanna use the ult to freeze boss during yvonne
I do wonder how long it lasts though
if it lasts past gilb skill + yvonne skill, and assuming she start of battle auto gets 3 stacks
probably 5 seconds
Theres a live demonstration during the showcase after they go over tang tang kit
she can every rotation have 3 waterspouts no?
1 skill usage each rotation
yeah I'm looking at the yvonne part
and yeah that's her second talent
also this is her 3 waterspout (at least from ult) sp return on skill
More dmg vs. Longer CC i guess
15sp per spout seems about right
her ult is like 5s uptime
that'll mean tang tang can give cryo with both her battle skill and ult, to convert for yvonne
1 spout
and her combo is just free for the next setup
though I wonder how high is her arts vuln
if she's the lone cryo inflict, it'll be tough to apply it enough
xaihi needs to be second for arts burst as well
tangtang + detonation xaihi gonna be pretty difficult yeah
prob easier to just run chiv instead
Its on infliction or arts burst though 
So you can chain bs and combo skill as long as its off cd
And of course more reliable through getting bursts. Maybe more of a use for fluorite?
the issue is more that you'll need to waste one bs to reach her arts vuln
if spout duration long enough and she gets start of battle 3 whirlpool, you can start with 3x tt spout skill into xaihi proc into tangtang again?
although the vuln prob ran out for yvonne ult by then
yea, depends on timings
also I'd probably not rely on her starting with 3 pools
unless it's a pot upgrade
not using tt ult for yvonne ult window should make it a lot simpler, just tt ult into jump/skill during setup for insta 3 spouts
yeah it could be
problem with being cycle starter is you react with gilb ult 
well, I guess it doesn't need to be, since the ult does the same effect? Depends if it still applies arts vuln on spout conversion
I don't use gilberta
without gilb it's much simpler for sure
we can't see vuln icon right
this one is just the slow?
wait no
slow is the other one
Thats arts suscept
depending on how things flow, maybe tangtang can replace ardelia's arts vuln and using snowshine offsets the lack of cryo inflict
but we need to see the numbers, oooh, I'm excited
im more excited for rossi tbh
especially cause tangtang was my second favorite character
never dreamed she could be a valuable addition to yvonne team
Videos should be p0p0 with their recommended gear
bit lower than ardelia, but it means less hoops to go through only for that
So no need to consider things like uge, frontiers, potentials etc normally
People gonna start playing the game like they in london next month 
If they showcase p5 people would sue them for false advertisement
what was the incident
or maybe we can build it up? so it counts like laev counter and can be prestored before a fight
lvling endmin bs increases crush dmg or nah?
just like real
so just leave it lvl 9?
its more likely to be a demo thing tbh.
it's either demo thing or she's got a start of battle thing
the waterspouts are stationary until TT uses her battle skill where they're pulled to her
Theres likely a range to them
waterspouts or whirlpools
there were no visuals for any pools on the ground at start, just the icon showing up
the puddles
if the precasted ult then refilled before start there would have been visuals 
for what point in the video
start of yvonne section
those start mid fight no
blue icon (triple stack or ult thing) but no puddle
if they're storable, then that's pretty good
but normal ones got a range for sure
there's a point where her skill didn't pulse
but once she got closer to a normal combo pool it pulsed again
"let's have a first look runs away"
her first combo put one near where the big guy is in that pic
ard didnt crit
then next time 100 sp is available after the big guy charged to other side, no pulse
could just be a byproduct of the new protocol spaces
or they just scuffed it to make her look better
then ran closer to the old spot, pulsed again
storing them like laev mf is a valid assumption though
nvm
tangtang's ult is gonna be so funny to CC the bosses
all the big moves can be smashed and phases skipped
yeah that part seems interesting
sadge
from the beast freeze, it might even just cancel the move it freezes?
rather than continuing it after
if so that would buy even more time as the boss then has to start a diff attack pattern after it expires
even if not, it gives extra time to reach stagger
beast froze mid dash
I think that's the dash where it ends with a head swipe?
but after expiration it just stands there shaking itself off before eventually starting new pattern
it reached a stagger node, so hard to tell
given we dont want to let tangtang ult expire
it probably is less practical than you think
for stopping boss patterns
yeah that's the unfortunate part
eeh, idk about that
you can't have everything with her kit, gotta give up something
still gives good enough options
we want to maximise talent 2 procs
which we cant do if we let it naturally expire
I mainly like tt for the ult stop tbh, I don't like having to wait for a stun window
maybe I can make tt skill during ult work
rather than using the jump
I'll think deeper into it when we get her tbh
would still conflict with gilb app regardless
too much little numbers we don't have yet
going to be a long day
i know ill probably be going to play the patch first, rather then tc'ing
which is one of the big downsides for us not getting info until patch drops
tangtang prob replaces alesh right?
either alesh or gilb
for yvonne
hard to say for sure right now
could go either way
why would she replace gil
sp issues
if tangtang needs to spam skill more often then alesh is required to compensate for sp
then thatd be xaihi replace no? isnt gil grouping just mandatory
no
dropping gilb also makes things easier esp if you wanna use tt ult for yvonne ult
its a qol that helps in wide aoe but tangtang helps to cover aoe scenarios already
but prob depends on the vuln %
she has aoe dmg, not grouping afaik
^
oh
but the aoe dmg might be good enough
dropping the only amp character in a yvonne team 🥀
esp if she starts battle with 3 stacks
if it must be done it must be done but apparently gilb is getting put down
waiting for numbers to see who is more likely to get the boot
if tangtang ult pools have same duration as regular I can prob tt and gilb ult during yvonne ult and be fine
it depends on how the infliction from the spouts is coded
if say 4 spouts all apply at once > all get consumed
then you never get to tt ult during gilb ult
or well
optimal lines fall off rather
??? cryo inflics are coming from spouts?
i thought she had one on ult end and one on bs
battleskill makes a spout, the spout inflicts the cryo
more pools means more spouts means more infliction
i believe this is shown off
oh wow ok then she is gonna be busted beyond belief
I couldve sworn more spouts just means it applies arts suscept
skill spouts are the ones that apply suscept
its just 1
rip the timelines
this kinda bricks it all
om
Dive attack from ult does the same as if using the BS. its just higher dmg
it sounded reasonable so i never questioned it

i gotta update the tangtang tc group

her timelines are overassuming stack gen
this also means alesh has a good chance of remaining
I hope tangtang wins out. I think her ult mechanics are sick
Cc’ing bosses. Ability to end it earlier for added bonuses. That shit’s sweet
she has cryo sus i think and probably does pretty good damage herself
plus a lot of people are gonna be spending if she makes the team bc this is third yvonne team member in a row kekw, even if u didnt pull gilb its still back to back pulls
so big money
wdym third
yeah thats one
is yvonne not a member of her own team
Getting there on building Yvonne but I also want to start saving resources for Tangtang shortly. 
stupid ass nitpicking
its like saying a team leader isnt part of the team dude
with 3 limited ops yvonne will finally perform to the level that lr can with 2 5* and a free op 
now that is nitpicking
regardless like shuo said u can understand my point regardless
hg's favourite
wanna bet she wont

if she was actually hgs favourite they would give her a -15% ult cost pot
tbf she already does apparently
We'll see which one does better once Tangtang drops, although I like the idea of piloting Tangtang exclusively during combat. So regardless of damage I think my preference will be towards LR team.
i have not seen any convincing p5p5 comparisons that favour yvonne personally
I'll have LR & Yvonne at equal investment in a few weeks, so will test who actually performs better & which team feels better to play.
these rhodagon comparisons are dumb



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