#theorycrafting

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river scroll
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we already have 2 Gilb slave now. and we will be getting more as time goes

icy remnant
dawn patrol
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it's whateva i'm rocking that gilbless rossi shit

fathom spear
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umm, just pull whoever u like at launch to be fair.

rare zodiac
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Lae is perfectly fine p0p0

river scroll
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unfortunately dev seems have their own issue againts fire team, with all the fire resist mobs

rare zodiac
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Only go in more if you like her

icy remnant
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No sig

elfin smelt
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pots in AK games dont seem to make that much of a difference

dawn patrol
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ok but upside is that i can fuck rhod up easily gg

fathom spear
proud vector
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Me fr fr

dawn patrol
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ion even try anymore i just go and beat his ass 💔

rare zodiac
icy remnant
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I fell

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You should too

elfin smelt
icy remnant
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Maybe you get it on the first multi

dawn patrol
rare zodiac
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We have fire resist mob?

elfin smelt
valid zealot
dawn patrol
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not really fire res mobs

dawn patrol
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just mobs with higher fire res than the rest

rare zodiac
icy remnant
dawn patrol
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still like c res at best lmao

drifting quest
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bonekrusha arsonist is x0.5

dawn patrol
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fuck the arsonist

elfin smelt
drifting quest
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there's a couple x0.8

fathom spear
rare zodiac
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Ok then

icy remnant
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Well how much would TT signature affect team dps PerliDerp

rare zodiac
icy remnant
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Not gonna think bout it

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I’m broke

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TT gotta live off scraps now

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Qingbo stockade need to go get jobs

dawn patrol
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can't believe i have to wait 4 weeks for rossi but at least i get more time to save

fathom spear
lusty relic
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the supreme chief deserves her weapon

oblique hemlock
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Kinda bummed that there are no bombs in her kit

fathom spear
rare zodiac
fathom spear
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so 48% at p5

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i see

main nova
icy remnant
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You’ll probably want to build multiple teams long term though

main nova
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its not like the current mob is threatening enough PerliWheeze

fathom spear
icy remnant
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I see some people just going m12 on all their supports in 1 team

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Such a waste PerliDerp

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Or like they’re starting

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Just going masteries

rare zodiac
main nova
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eventually that will happend, but i see this game take things slowly

drifting quest
rare zodiac
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Or it may never be, who knows, when it comes we will deal with it

fathom spear
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it would pretty much stay between a 20%-60% improvement for getting p5 for a game like this ngl

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and hope so, unlike some game starts with h

main nova
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Arknight always reasonable in term of giving content, they never really rush things

fathom spear
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would people get mad if they endfield make endgame modes that doesnt give pull rewards like AK PerliDerp

main nova
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most of the bottleneck always come from the resources. Even the OG AK power up resources is hellish

rare zodiac
drifting quest
icy remnant
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Or are you relying on leaks

drifting quest
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people from hoyo or kuro would get upset

main nova
fathom spear
rare zodiac
drifting quest
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goes hand in hand

icy remnant
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I want all the tourists to just go already
It’s such a drag PerliDerp

rare zodiac
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I would be more sad if i make a second team and never touch it

icy remnant
rare zodiac
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Not for me, i live and die with Lae

dawn patrol
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i mean i'm not opposed to gamemodes that don't give pulls but sss and ra suck so bad that idk if they can make a good one

elfin smelt
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RA 3 is coming tho

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third time's a charm

dawn patrol
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ra fans don't talk to me

drifting quest
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damn

dawn patrol
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sss fans don't exist so i don't gotta worry about that

drifting quest
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i liked ra2

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guess its over

boreal siren
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One message removed from a suspended account.

icy remnant
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Contingency contracts
And the medal will be based on total number of contingencies PerliStare

rare zodiac
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I only care if there’s new char/gear that will make my Lae stronger

dawn patrol
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my goat shuo liked ra2??? goat status revoked

fathom spear
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arknights pull income in a year was like what ? 300 and climb up to nearly a thousand no ? Hope we get more pulls from more passive stuffs tho if they want to make replayable endgame without pulls rewards.

proud vector
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I just wan factory stuffs

dawn patrol
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i just hope we get more pulls i really dgaf how they do it

proud vector
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Gib me so I can tinker more

fathom spear
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add materials monthly to valley cuz why not PerliDerp

dawn patrol
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just send it straight to my mail for all i care

river scroll
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i want Rossi to be playable PerliWaaaaa

icy remnant
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They’ll just keep making content that can get updated to add more content that has rolls

proud vector
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Look they already figured out logic gates and RAM in factory

dawn patrol
icy remnant
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You’ll probably be able to download year 2-3 and not miss that much

dawn patrol
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i need to gamble so bad /s

proud vector
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If we don’t give factory players any content they will start programming doom into the game

dawn patrol
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i need to see bad apple in endfield before i can call it a good factory sim

river scroll
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the only limiting things for that now is just space

fierce nest
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wtf do i do with my sanity

river scroll
dawn patrol
proud vector
dawn patrol
elfin smelt
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yea I was going to grab the link xd

dawn patrol
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this cannot be real

proud vector
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It do be real

elfin smelt
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non ra fans dont understand art smh

rare zodiac
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Everything can be real with Chinese ancient magic

proud vector
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With new update

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We wil have better zoom out

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Higher resolution bad apple possible!

drifting quest
proud vector
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It’s a timelapse of screenshots yeah

dawn patrol
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i fucking knew it wasn't real

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smh my head

proud vector
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Programmable bad apple is limited atm by lack of space

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We don’t have enough ram (ingame, not computer)

dawn patrol
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they need to add factorio circuit contraptions

regal fractal
dawn patrol
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yeah that's the joke thank you

chilly bolt
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Btw the way

valid zealot
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Rip in peace chat.

dawn patrol
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dead game fr

valid zealot
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Wake me up when 1.1 live.

noble tapir
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Or at least when we get new character/gear data lol

drifting quest
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it'll be dead outside of vibecrafting and that itself has already peaked yesterday

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no point doing any tc for existing stuff since new gear is coming

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no point trying to hard tc anything for new stuff because no numbers

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most of the more hardcore tc people went on break till 1.1 already anyway and we likely wont get numbers till patch comes live so its just gonna be dead

dawn patrol
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gotta wait for the 12th for anything to happen huh

drifting quest
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it'll be all tangtang stuff

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datamine will get rossi values and then a week or two later things pivot to rossi

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most likely

dawn patrol
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at least we'll get some rossi numbers

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see if she's actually abysmal

noble tapir
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I just hope the new gear pieces don't just completely outperform the 1.0 gear pieces

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Like if I have to change a piece or two, fine, but if I have to change every Laev piece? Kinda gross

dawn patrol
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i think it'll just be sidegrades bc no way they're gonna powercreep gold gear already

drifting quest
noble tapir
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Yeah I know

unreal light
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What was the verb in other languages?

drifting quest
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update / additional gear / etc

unreal light
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I see ty

drifting quest
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english tl sucked in general

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for the stream and in game

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various mistranslations, poorly worded things

noble tapir
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Yeah, I'm used to that at this point lol

drifting quest
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stream had yinglung twice, etc

fathom spear
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feel like it's google translate, people 've been complaining since beta and no changes 😭 , they still reached out tho

wraith idol
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Tang getting Arts Susceptibility kinda sad cuz I like Gilb. Now the real struggle is picking best team PerliWaaaaa

fathom spear
drifting quest
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Tangtang having suscept doesnt necessarily bench gilb

wraith idol
fathom spear
drifting quest
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Depends on tangtang numbers

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Whirlpools made, ult cost, etc

fathom spear
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hope they add more sp gimmicks like sp refund of last rite

drifting quest
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Tangtang damage matters too

wraith idol
fathom spear
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yeah cant say much, im just based on the qol that tangtang seems to give to yvonne rn

drifting quest
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Gilb as the flex is more promising with no numbers right now

wraith idol
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I was hoping Yvonne, Gilb, Tang, Alesh maybe in general clearing and maying Yvonne, Tang, Xaihi, Alesh for bossing. Gilb/Yvonne combo is just really fun in AoE clears.

wraith idol
# fathom spear u got her to p5 ? zamn

got really lucky and again -- only operator I am doing this too. Gacha whaling ruined me in other games and quit for awhile. Not going back to that gambling addiction.

fathom spear
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the comp is not fixed, this game is still pretty flexible so dont stress over it tbh. Yeah, try to not gambling too much.

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holy mistyped

drifting quest
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if you're not minmaxxing you can run basically anything

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just requires more gamesense, investment and skill the more you diverge from it

fathom spear
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playing uma is more stressful than this game for me ...

unreal light
unreal light
fathom spear
echo hamlet
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do u guys think yvonne xaihi tangtang gilberta would be the way?

fathom spear
echo hamlet
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is there a nature + cryo reaction?

dawn patrol
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that's just solidification or corrosion depending on the order

echo hamlet
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so we still get the dmg boost from gilberta even without perlica yea?

foggy birch
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Guys is it worth it to max upgrade support characters to lvl 90 at endgame?

dawn patrol
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depends on the support

unreal light
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If you have other stuff to upgrade, start with it

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If you don’t, feel free to

foggy birch
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I see, aight thanks for the insight

tawny badge
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what are akekuri's ult charge breakpoints

peak void
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its like 200+ or some shi

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need fortmaker, which is kinda cursed

main nova
drifting quest
tawny badge
peak void
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200, plus

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i forgot the exact value because i didnt see a need for it

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but its higher than the possible with max artifice

tawny badge
tawny badge
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and i cant be bothered to swap

drifting quest
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You dont need fortmaker bar some suboptimal rots

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209% is fine for most laev stuff

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Can overcap but not to the point where its worth minmaxxing small amounts of int

tawny badge
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alr thanks for your help

peak void
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honestly id swap them, at least pog can make decent use of thermite

peak void
drifting quest
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Just share the thermite

peak void
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shuo ew...

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next you will say share your stanza too

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ugggghh PerliWaaaaa

river scroll
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I want y'all to be honest with me
is this game even considered hard at all? PerliStare

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I think it's just very time consuming at the beginning only, because so many stuff to do yeah?

after that all combat is easy?

peak void
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idk reading is hard

potent hornet
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games easy mode atm

river scroll
potent hornet
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i hope it will get harder content

peak void
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the character development material shortage is short-lived, the pulls shortage is short-lived, the combat is easy, etc

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theres a curve but its going downwards lol

drifting quest
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Game is trivially easy

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Solo clear trims are everywhere

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TC chat is hyperbolic in that sense

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When a unit is called bad

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Its relative not objective

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Well

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Its both

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Sometimes

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I should say its relative not in a vaccuum

signal sundial
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personally the game is not like fuck you, 10000000 hp with 1000000 damage hard

drifting quest
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Hardest part is memorising a rotation

signal sundial
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its decently challenging enough to keep you entertained for the first 2 hour of release

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i mean if they game were any harder than it is now the people qqing about umbral monument would quit instantly

potent hornet
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the amount of people that have issues on the 2 chargers is funny

potent hornet
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this brings me joy

signal sundial
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i will say the game is hard in the same way certain soulslikes are hard until you get geared

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everyone likes to say they beat elden ring but how many can say they beat it without getting absolutely overgeared

dawn patrol
signal sundial
river scroll
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oh... God... that remind me of the early release when Marble haven't been nerfed.

there is actually this player that can't clear Marble boss in the main story. and have the audacity to say that he have cleared all dark souls game 💀

signal sundial
river scroll
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he give up on laevatain PerliWheeze PerliWheeze PerliWheeze PerliWheeze

signal sundial
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he couldve just juggled it infinitely but he decided to ulti PerliWheeze

dawn shard
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i love the "im actually good at the game" vibes this has and then they use a character that trivializes the fight

potent hornet
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most of the issues the game has with being "difficult" is usually you aren't using the right setup or you are just bad

drifting quest
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just cut out the middle part

potent hornet
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that is also fair

frozen tide
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First encounter marble took me a few tries

signal sundial
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i employed the strategy of hit it until it dies

potent hornet
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story mode i beat first time

signal sundial
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so the re-crisis shooketh me when i realised i could actually die PerliWheeze

potent hornet
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got the trim on my 3rd try when i switched to onfield xaihi to get LR combos faster

river scroll
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tbh i literally one tap all main story boss....

signal sundial
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as you should

river scroll
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but that probably because I'm using LR

signal sundial
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i was really overgeared by the time i reached dorito

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well, "overgeared"

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i just crafted blue gear or sth

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sincei had to for the missions

potent hornet
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LR makes things pretty easy if you have the team setup

unreal light
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Are you a real bronya?

river scroll
unreal light
river scroll
potent hornet
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yea i wore blue gear all the way until yellow gear unlocked

unreal light
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Herrsher of Nizhny Tagil

potent hornet
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didn't even make any purple

signal sundial
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i had to make purple for the mission

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then they gave everyone 500 cryston components

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gee thanks

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totally didnt refit my entire factory just to do that one mission PerliWheeze

potent hornet
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oh yea i forgot about that mission so i did make some purple gear lol

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i think i did when we got the components

lost void
# potent hornet LR makes things pretty easy if you have the team setup

That's what kinda suck with LR & Yvonne, they rely too much on team setup to make their skilla hit hard, unlike Tang².

She has SP return, can deal continuous damage/DoT and can shift from DoT to nuke by consuming waterspouts to whirlpool so those playing Avywenna can easily adapat to her rotation.

potent hornet
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if a character didn't need proper support why even have a 4 team setup

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its good character design in this space

frozen tide
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Lr being team reliant and having hard to trigger(relatively) gimmick for ult gain and dmg is nice

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Makes it feel justified for her to nuke

lost void
frozen tide
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There's also

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P0 lr trim 3x

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Solo

potent hornet
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yea she does all the things to make her work on her own

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the support team just makes it faster

lost void
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I'm aware of that and there are also trimmed parry solo even from a 4 star or 5 star defender.

main nova
potent hornet
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they really should have given Yvonne a way to inflict herself

main nova
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look at that dodging window PerliWheeze

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you practically could dodge like even full 60 frame away

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maybe even 120

lost void
potent hornet
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TangTang is exactly what she needed but sadly i think others were correct that LR will probably be able to use her better

signal sundial
potent hornet
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buuut people can stop parroting "yvonne bad" once she comes out

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yea i'm excited for 4 stack cryos now

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had to settle for 3 stacks on current content

lost void
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Also Tang has arts sus which make her flex 4th for any team more so for heat comp since they lack cc..

potent hornet
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i'm chomping at the bit for some actual difficult stuff, give me raid mechanics

signal sundial
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we got abit of that in the new boss i think

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i hope its not some trivially easy side minigame

lost void
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New Bull boss seems to have survivability phase instead of just nuke it down fast.

potent hornet
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they already have auralyne models in the game, make us collect light or dark ones to dmg a boss in certain phases

lyric latch
potent hornet
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force us to intterupt red circles to get dmg through

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shit anything other than "do you have big boom character?"

signal sundial
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make a boss split your team into 3 zones and you have to pilot 1 operator per zone to get out of the zone for phase 2

potent hornet
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i'm down

signal sundial
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oh wait thats abit too close to something else

lost void
main nova
potent hornet
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no people read one thing and take it as gospel, people that could do their own theory crafting and sheets were playing her just fine

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there was also a limited number of people that actually had her due to getting her on the laev/gilberta banners

main nova
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I want more crit buffer beside p5 perlica PerliWheeze

lyric latch
tranquil burrow
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I CANT wait for Tangtang. Only thing im worried about: will she do enough damage to be main DPS, kill bosses, & clear umbral monument

potent hornet
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once she was banner available the videos started flooding of actually decent dmg

lost void
tranquil burrow
main nova
main nova
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nothing crazy for a 1.0

lost void
main nova
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PerliWheeze the gacha feels horrible tho

dawn patrol
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this shit is not the wind

main nova
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rate off spook is real in this game

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p5 ember lets go

drifting quest
lost void
main nova
tranquil burrow
drifting quest
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then skip tangtang

dawn patrol
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not everyone can be a hypercarry lmao

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well i mean

tranquil burrow
dawn patrol
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not everyone can be an optimal hypercarry

main nova
normal tangle
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she’s not gonna do maindps dmg

tranquil burrow
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They should've just made her a main dps, not a support caster for Yvonne

normal tangle
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that’s like her whole role

normal tangle
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we do not need a 3rd cryo mdps

dawn patrol
lost void
dawn patrol
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but alas

dawn smelt
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When is 1.1 releasing?

dawn patrol
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12th

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(presumably)

tranquil burrow
lost void
dawn smelt
drifting quest
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idk where the idea she is the first banner came from

main nova
tranquil burrow
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So basically Tangtang is a support ICANT ICANT ill be writing an email to HG ssying how much of a horrible decision this was

drifting quest
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tangtang is a subdps with supportive capabilities

lost void
main nova
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maybe i should invest, and become Pog dps

dawn patrol
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can't wait to cook up some rossi hypercarry bullshit with no gilb 🔥

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only 4 weeks left

main nova
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thats the beauty of the game

lost void
main nova
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cooks some bullshit and make it work PerliWheeze

drifting quest
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only that the role she was designed for is a subdps with supportive capabilities

dawn patrol
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people in tc when talking about a char's optimal role:

drifting quest
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and that she is unlikely to be competitive with existing hypercarries

main nova
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we need more imagination

lyric latch
main nova
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Ember hypercarry

drifting quest
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tc as a channel is mostly for minmaxxing

dawn patrol
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i mean i've seen solo ember trims

main nova
drifting quest
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so naturally there are not as many people interested in other stuff

main nova
drifting quest
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it exists obviously but its just small pockets of people

dawn patrol
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hi i'm small pockets of people

drifting quest
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i dont tend to see anything but feelscrafting for it either

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even in other language communities

wanton notch
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Except Umbral, because it is joke

dawn patrol
drifting quest
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public damage calcs are starting to come out now

lost void
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https://youtu.be/r9HC3dCc1Uk?si=_4mRHBbhrJ9Lt0Fr

Imagine Perlica already reaching 500k with only Gilberta supporting.

Could definitely go higher with a full cheering squad and maxed essence. The build doesn't require heavy crit fishing since Perlica's build can go up to 65% critical chance. 95% exclusively for her Ultimate. Brought a more practical team because why not, I like Snowshine.

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00:29 Rhodagn Trimmed
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main nova
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if Danjin on wuwa could become hypercarry. I believe Rossi can ChenBatto

dawn patrol
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lisara
crit fishing

drifting quest
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if non dps units can become hypercarries rossi can

wanton notch
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Lisara
(already enough)

dawn patrol
wanton notch
dawn patrol
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that's just bc catcher is the goat

dawn patrol
lost void
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https://youtu.be/2ZjwlCfjL5E?si=6hOqMhBeJHc9ao2Y

Perlica doing 30 sec on Umbra 1..

Umbral Speedrun Any% with Carebear, Pengmin and Transport Onee-san.

Timestamps
00:00 Bolts and Shadows
00:59 Rampaging Shields
02:17 Rock Solid
03:29 Builds

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-7vL1Nuj8U
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dawn patrol
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crit fishing

regal fractal
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would endmin chen gilb and rossi work as a team or is it just a bad gimmick and isnt worth pulling for

drifting quest
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what's gilb there for

regal fractal
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rossi proc?

wanton notch
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stanza holder

main nova
regal fractal
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i thought rossi needed both a physical and elemental thing

wanton notch
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but yeah, GIl+Rossi basically together

dawn patrol
wanton notch
drifting quest
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the issue with a lot of rossi comps is that trying to cover both sides of her kit always ends up looking like sunk cost

regal fractal
dawn patrol
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rossi is a new and quirky unit without proper teammates yet

drifting quest
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we're stuck waiting on numbers to see what the least bad / most optimal rossi stuff is

regal fractal
drifting quest
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until we get them, plus her sig weapon details

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nothing seems very good

dawn patrol
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i'm pulling anyway but her situation doesn't look good

drifting quest
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relative to existing teams of course before people get on me again

lost void
regal fractal
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ngl i was saving up a bit for her but now im looking and it seems meh idk what to do

dawn patrol
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shuo getting ptsd from that one guy

lyric latch
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just wait till they release the Rossi ideal partner in the next banner that is also sword physical

dawn patrol
regal fractal
wanton notch
regal fractal
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it just i was hyped for rossi but im also a meta glazer so now im stuck

dawn patrol
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in terms of meta it looks dire but her kit is actually interesting so that's nice

lost void
drifting quest
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im glad that we're not stuck in powercreep every unit is a new meta shill

regal fractal
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it will defo work more once we get more diverse roster

wanton notch
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We are playing in ARknights after all

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cant wait for local Wisadel

dawn patrol
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can't wait to do nicheknights in endfield once we get a big enough roster

lost void
wanton notch
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we need one more defender for Defender knights

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WITH ACTUAL PARRY TOO PLEASE

dawn patrol
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waiting for guardknights to be real

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we already have chen rossi endmin we just need a guard with arts inflict 🔥

drifting quest
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chen rossi endmin lifeng is a theoretical guardknights that works already

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has its issues ofc

regal fractal
dawn patrol
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rossi is NOT proccing her cs 💔

regal fractal
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fr

drifting quest
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emotional support

dawn patrol
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just put her in the wheelchair alr

drifting quest
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she's a service animal

regal fractal
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i get the 2 phys in 2 cs is strong but having to sac a teammate for it for a infliction is rough

lost void
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Rossi+ Ember

regal fractal
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does it work well?

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i have no clue about ember since i dont have her :<

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still making hypercarry rossi whats her best team so far PerliDerp

dawn patrol
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rossi + ember would be dogshit

regal fractal
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i presume gilberta ake

drifting quest
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depends on multipliers

dawn patrol
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wulf gilb flex i think

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(my uneducated opinion)

regal fractal
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that actually does get me 2 separate teams

drifting quest
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assuming her ult is the main portion of her damage share as the video said
gilb (perlica/ake/wulf/antal/ard/a couple other options) x2

dawn patrol
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if you want an educated opinion ask shuo

regal fractal
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since i have endmin physical

lost void
drifting quest
#

depends on her energy cost really

#

we might end up on some nonsense like alesh to battery her

dawn patrol
#

gilbless rossi gaming 🔥

regal fractal
#

rossi small so small energy cost right..?

drifting quest
#

the range is like 100-240

dawn patrol
drifting quest
#

most likely its 120 or so

#

maybe a little less

regal fractal
#

was gonna say yeah its defo on the lower end unless she has a large energy producing cs or skill or smthn

odd wren
#

Meanwhile me i did 3 hours of gruelling stuff just to maximize my aic in prep for 1.1lol

regal fractal
kind nebula
odd wren
#

Its all over the place ngl hahaha

dawn patrol
#

i wonder what gear rossi will be running

lost void
#

Rossi works well with shatter comp since they consume solidification and can start off arts infliction count back to 0. And she can double her vuln stack output to 2 asap.

odd wren
drifting quest
#

which doesnt seem likely on vibes but hey neither did cryo tangtang or physical rossi

odd wren
dawn patrol
dawn patrol
#

you're running out of power cro

odd wren
#

Dont worry

regal fractal
#

woah advanced endmin stuff

teal pawn
odd wren
dawn patrol
lost void
buoyant yoke
regal fractal
#

holy lowk i never even realised that there was a hologram thing behind in char select

dawn patrol
#

i don't want to be rude but have you considered getting your vision checked

regal fractal
#

no

dawn patrol
#

maybe you should

regal fractal
#

😭

#

dw i can still see the pull button on gacha so we all AOK

odd wren
#

Stocking up batteries

#

To level up right away in 1.1

regal fractal
#

LOLLL

#

thats dedication

odd wren
#

But need to stop selling 3 days prior before patch

regal fractal
#

ngl i just

#

cba

lost void
gritty briar
#

are you at inventory cap for batteries?

dawn patrol
#

we're not getting a new subpac idt

odd wren
odd wren
#

New subpac is 1.2

drifting quest
#

did they say no new subpac or what

teal pawn
#

My Wuling subpac is left unused anyway

dawn patrol
#

they didn't say anything so we're assuming no new subpac

teal pawn
#

Thanks to resource limit

drifting quest
#

its gonna suck having to pylon from stockades

#

and be stuck on only one to sell to too

lost void
#

All of the new resource Wuling tier II are for Qing Bo.

Forge.

dawn patrol
#

just gonna wait a few days to see how the aic stuff ends up being and for people to make prints lmao

odd wren
#

Welp i also asked thst in aic channel they said no new subpac so i guess no new subpc xd

regal fractal
#

theoretically can we run ult gain alesh with rossi

drifting quest
#

it might be required

#

too early to tell

regal fractal
#

ult gives ice i think

drifting quest
#

rossi should fit onto shatter teams anyway, in a pinch

#

wheelchair comp

jagged tiger
lost void
oblique frost
#

Rossi>T2 for whales but it’s only marginal stuff not really needed

jagged tiger
#

If it turns out that the red ore took most of the mine and only have enough ferrium for

#

1 line of jingcao

lost void
#

Need her to spam her wolf jack knife.

jagged tiger
#

God i will riot

dawn patrol
#

imagine no more ferrium

odd wren
#

Regional transfer?

#

Djiang transfer too

buoyant yoke
#

Cryston bottles anyone ?

dawn patrol
#

metastorage transfer is almost enough to stop the ferrium bleeding

odd wren
#

Regional your ferrium parts

gritty briar
#

hope you guys have some excess xiranite/xiranite liquid bottles for whatever new overworld blight puzzles they add

odd wren
#

Meta your bottles

dawn patrol
#

i have like 39 bottles it's joever

gritty briar
#

well maybe that's enough

regal fractal
gritty briar
#

just mentioning it cause i wouldn't be surprised if some people just hold 0

regal fractal
#

that me!!!!

#

omg i got a mention

buoyant yoke
#

More important question is, can we spray people with the new byproduct?

jagged tiger
regal fractal
#

wait does that mean i need to artifice all over again with red stuff

drifting quest
#

yes

#

maybe

#

probably

#

assuming it replaces gear then yes

jagged tiger
#

And extremly limited in the first levels

#

So

#

Basically useless?

odd wren
#

You dont have max djiang?

regal fractal
jagged tiger
#

They need to raise the cap of regional transfer

#

By50%

jagged tiger
regal fractal
#

am i missing something

dawn patrol
#

wtf does dijiang even do man 💔

regal fractal
#

i didnt find dijiang difficult...

tawny badge
#

can’t you max out dijiang in like 5 days

regal fractal
jagged tiger
odd wren
regal fractal
jagged tiger
#

Oh wait

#

Smh

jagged tiger
#

Got confuse between Dijang and Wuling

#

Smh

regal fractal
#

..

jagged tiger
regal fractal
#

my statement still holds true

jagged tiger
#

Signal for me to go to bed

regal fractal
#

but like

jagged tiger
#

No like

#

Only comments and subcribe to my channel

regal fractal
#

what if you did the extra -40 stamina things first

jagged tiger
regal fractal
odd wren
regal fractal
#

thas cool

#

how much do you save?

#

is it worth setting it up

lost void
#

Good thing I stock up crystons

regal fractal
#

pretty sure i capped my batteries yesterday at 48k 😭

#

wait if we make sewage now

#

can i just pollute all of wuling

#

turn it into slopling

buoyant yoke
#

Stock up V4 with 80k wuling batteries

fleet heron
#

I was looking at Rossi's kit and I don't really get who she's supposed to play with. Would she be good in a main dps wulfguard comp?

drifting quest
#

maybe ™

#

she has a ton of comps, from just her kit alone none look that good relative to existing team comps

dawn patrol
#

we just don't know

drifting quest
#

waiting on numbers

dawn patrol
#

we are not the knowers

drifting quest
#

might save her

#

sadly we wont get the numbers until patch goes live, if its like arknights

jagged tiger
#

Ehh

dawn patrol
#

can't wait for the 1.2 rossi support

jagged tiger
#

She might go to my cryo team

dawn patrol
#

and then i gotta drop another hundred bucks on this game

jagged tiger
#

I don't think i have enough brain power to time Perlica electricfication

#

For the 1 million dmg nuke

#

Might swap out Ardelia for gilberta tbh

#

Then the entire cryo team will be 4/4 waifu team

drifting quest
#

as much as it sucks for rossi players

#

i really hope she doesnt have a dedicated support in 1.2

dawn patrol
#

shuo wishes harm upon me

jagged tiger
#

Wait smh

#

I confused between rossi and tangtang

drifting quest
#

dps (yvonne) > support that fixes issues (tangtang) > dps (rossi) > support that fixes issues (hypothetical rossi gap bridger) > dps (mifu or something) > support that fixes issues (fangyi)

#

it'd just be so doomed

dawn patrol
#

you're so right on this and i agree

#

but also oughhhhh no rossi support it's so over

#

tbf it's not really that big of a deal but i hope she at least gets a dedicated support eventually

gritty briar
#

it's also just kinda lame if every team comp is just a unit + a tailor made support perfectly designed to support them

drifting quest
#

yeah

#

like i really like

gritty briar
#

no creativity if they just create the teams for us

drifting quest
#

that they went out there and experimented with rossi

#

i do think that unfortunately she needs to be the sacrifice though

dawn patrol
#

i mean since she's kind of a bumass weirdo i wouldn't be surprised if she does get a dedicated support

oblique frost
#

It’s all commenting on status quo where people don’t have there stuff maxed yet

teal pawn
#

I mean, they can fix that with future ops

#

Make the Liberi split scaling too or someshit

oblique frost
#

Relevance of units is nonlinear depending on investment and how is that reflected in tc calcs… it’s not

#

To the point where the rotation changes completely

drifting quest
#

define dont have stuff maxed yet

#

tons of people have maxed teams

#

plenty more have teams that are effectively maxed, as in not investing in stuff that does not have relevant improvements

#

damage on pure supports, etc

oblique frost
#

Well, then I miss something

dawn patrol
#

hi that's me

#

i have effectively maxed laev team

oblique frost
#

I play for 3 weeks and my Laev has little to do with her version from a week ago and also not much with recommended rotations anymore

drifting quest
#

cant comment then

#

i think my laev hyper was set up about a week in

#

maybe less

dawn patrol
#

mine was like 2 weeks in bc i was busy building phys for some reason

#

i just really liked lifeng ig

oblique frost
#

I doubt the irrelevance of minmax here

#

As if 10% cdr hardly matters

drifting quest
#

10% cdr on what? combo skill?

abstract fractal
#

is going 9/9 ult efficiency on gil sig worth the grind? i have it at 7/9 now.

oblique frost
#

Yes cs

sour kestrel
#

what gun is good here for yvonne?

drifting quest
#

its a 1s reduction (or none for some units, or more than 1 for like fluorite)

drifting quest
sour kestrel
drifting quest
#

no

sour kestrel
#

aight

#

the gambling is tempting

drifting quest
#

if you cant guarantee (8 attempts) then dont bother

#

especially in yvonne's case because the off rates on her banner are pretty mid

sour kestrel
drifting quest
#

Battle Pass Freemium and Paid Tiers have a selector box with (worse than sig) weapons for the banner units of the pass

#

So one for Laevatein, one for Gilberta, and one for Yvonne

#

in 1.0

#

the 1.1 one will not include any of those 3, instead having 2 new ones for Tangtang and Rossi

sour kestrel
#

oh so wedge works with yvonne better?

drifting quest
#

Assuming equal potentials (dupes) Wedge is better than Navigator (the BP weapon) but is still worse than her Sig (Artzy Tyrannical)

drifting quest
#

what

oblique frost
#

Point being if rotations differ incremental investments don’t mean diminishing returns

#

As there is a rotation assumption in all damage calcs or not

drifting quest
#

i have no idea what the relevance is, you will have to explain yourself better

sudden lichen
#

so uh

#

did I see right, we got a new cryo caster with tangtang?

#

yvonne team upgrade? ExuHyperStare

drifting quest
#

probably, almost certainly but impossible to say with 100% certainty

sudden lichen
#

having 2 dps in cryo team sounds like it'll be a big boost

#

hopefully they work well together

#

aoe cryo skill for tangtang go brr

#

oh lol, that's literally her combat skill, that's good

#

guess she's the cryo version of gilberta

hollow wyvern
#

got a question, at the start of the dev vid for tangtang in the yvonne vid, tangtang starts the fight with her skill, immediately spawning 3 waterspouts stare

sudden lichen
#

IMA FIRIN MA LAZAHH

#

cultured devs

hollow wyvern
#

does she have a start of battle insta 3 stacks thing or something

#

or is it just dev hacks

glass birch
#

Prob just dev things

hollow wyvern
#

as soon as she fired she got the blue whirlpool icon (which usually shows up on ult)

sudden lichen
#

talent?

hollow wyvern
#

nothing visually on the ground either

glass birch
hollow wyvern
#

the visual is the same as ult ones yeah

#

blue icon + 3 waterspouts

sudden lichen
#

oooh, it will return sp too

#

perfect

glass birch
#

We dont really see or hear anything about tang tang's talents, at least that I remember, so maybe?

glass birch
sudden lichen
#

waterspout into cryo bomb is gonna be a blast

glass birch
#

Dunno if there's a cap, maybe 30?

hasty grail
hollow wyvern
#

yeah

hasty grail
#

Probably just not on screen

hollow wyvern
#

it showed up at start of battle in the vid

#

it was 3 pools

#

blue icon

sudden lichen
#

whoa, and her combo is just free

hollow wyvern
#

same as ult with talent

sudden lichen
#

TANGTANG IS DIO

glass birch
#

If kenpachi and dio had a baby, it'd be tang tang

sudden lichen
#

also that brings a new status, stasis or something

chilly bolt
#

Yeah it's timestop

glass birch
#

Just a new debuff like rossi's DoT from clawmarks

chilly bolt
#

Or you mean the slow?

hollow wyvern
#

her ult also seems to put down 3 waterspouts straight up

chilly bolt
#

Movement speed reduction

hollow wyvern
#

she can trigger 3x with her skill instead of a jump attack

sudden lichen
#

she can freeze bosses too ExuHyperStare

hollow wyvern
#

so you don't need to jump for those, maybe for higher multis

glass birch
hollow wyvern
#

but the sp effects and such prob the same

#

yeah, problem is if you wanna use the ult to freeze boss during yvonne

#

I do wonder how long it lasts though

#

if it lasts past gilb skill + yvonne skill, and assuming she start of battle auto gets 3 stacks

sudden lichen
#

probably 5 seconds

glass birch
#

Theres a live demonstration during the showcase after they go over tang tang kit

hollow wyvern
#

she can every rotation have 3 waterspouts no?

#

1 skill usage each rotation

#

yeah I'm looking at the yvonne part

sudden lichen
#

and yeah that's her second talent

hollow wyvern
#

also this is her 3 waterspout (at least from ult) sp return on skill

glass birch
#

More dmg vs. Longer CC i guess

hollow wyvern
#

1 waterspout is like half that iirc, I saw it earlier

drifting quest
glass birch
#

That's what im saying PerliDerp

#

Its like 15sp per

drifting quest
#

her ult is like 5s uptime

sudden lichen
#

that'll mean tang tang can give cryo with both her battle skill and ult, to convert for yvonne

drifting quest
#

which is

#

pretty tight

hollow wyvern
#

1 spout

sudden lichen
#

and her combo is just free for the next setup

#

though I wonder how high is her arts vuln

#

if she's the lone cryo inflict, it'll be tough to apply it enough

#

xaihi needs to be second for arts burst as well

hollow wyvern
#

tangtang + detonation xaihi gonna be pretty difficult yeah

#

prob easier to just run chiv instead

glass birch
#

Its on infliction or arts burst though 3sChiakiHmm

#

So you can chain bs and combo skill as long as its off cd

#

And of course more reliable through getting bursts. Maybe more of a use for fluorite?

sudden lichen
#

the issue is more that you'll need to waste one bs to reach her arts vuln

hollow wyvern
#

if spout duration long enough and she gets start of battle 3 whirlpool, you can start with 3x tt spout skill into xaihi proc into tangtang again?

#

although the vuln prob ran out for yvonne ult by then

sudden lichen
#

yea, depends on timings

#

also I'd probably not rely on her starting with 3 pools

#

unless it's a pot upgrade

hollow wyvern
#

not using tt ult for yvonne ult window should make it a lot simpler, just tt ult into jump/skill during setup for insta 3 spouts

sudden lichen
#

hopium

#

yeah tt ult is going to be a cycle starter I feel like

hollow wyvern
#

problem with being cycle starter is you react with gilb ult sadthink

sudden lichen
#

well, I guess it doesn't need to be, since the ult does the same effect? Depends if it still applies arts vuln on spout conversion

#

I don't use gilberta

hollow wyvern
#

without gilb it's much simpler for sure

sudden lichen
#

it'd be yvonne, ardelia, xaihi, and tangtang

#

however

hollow wyvern
#

we can't see vuln icon right

#

this one is just the slow?

#

wait no

#

slow is the other one

glass birch
sudden lichen
#

depending on how things flow, maybe tangtang can replace ardelia's arts vuln and using snowshine offsets the lack of cryo inflict

hollow wyvern
#

then that lasts a very long time

sudden lichen
#

but we need to see the numbers, oooh, I'm excited

glass birch
#

im more excited for rossi tbh

sudden lichen
#

especially cause tangtang was my second favorite character

#

never dreamed she could be a valuable addition to yvonne team

hollow wyvern
#

looks to be like... 20 sec duration

#

roughly

#

at least for the 3 stack version

drifting quest
#

Videos should be p0p0 with their recommended gear

sudden lichen
#

bit lower than ardelia, but it means less hoops to go through only for that

drifting quest
#

So no need to consider things like uge, frontiers, potentials etc normally

sudden lichen
#

makes sense yeah

#

possibly it was only for demo purposes

glass birch
#

People gonna start playing the game like they in london next month kekzu

chilly bolt
#

If they showcase p5 people would sue them for false advertisement

drifting quest
#

what was the incident

sudden lichen
#

or maybe we can build it up? so it counts like laev counter and can be prestored before a fight

drifting quest
#

cyrene in hsr?

#

where the showcase was e6

vale ice
#

lvling endmin bs increases crush dmg or nah?

sudden lichen
vale ice
#

so just leave it lvl 9?

glass birch
hollow wyvern
#

it's either demo thing or she's got a start of battle thing

glass birch
#

the waterspouts are stationary until TT uses her battle skill where they're pulled to her

#

Theres likely a range to them

drifting quest
#

waterspouts or whirlpools

glass birch
#

pools

#

my b

hollow wyvern
#

there were no visuals for any pools on the ground at start, just the icon showing up

glass birch
#

the puddles

hollow wyvern
#

if the precasted ult then refilled before start there would have been visuals sadthink

drifting quest
#

for what point in the video

hollow wyvern
#

start of yvonne section

drifting quest
#

those start mid fight no

hollow wyvern
#

but no puddle visual

#

ig it's possible it's behind them sadthink

drifting quest
#

its one per enemy

#

you see the visual procs on each of the the closest bugs

hollow wyvern
#

blue icon (triple stack or ult thing) but no puddle

sudden lichen
#

if they're storable, then that's pretty good

hollow wyvern
#

but normal ones got a range for sure

#

there's a point where her skill didn't pulse

#

but once she got closer to a normal combo pool it pulsed again

sudden lichen
hollow wyvern
#

her first combo put one near where the big guy is in that pic

outer ermine
#

PerliWaaaaa PerliWaaaaa ard didnt crit

hollow wyvern
#

then next time 100 sp is available after the big guy charged to other side, no pulse

drifting quest
#

could just be a byproduct of the new protocol spaces

#

or they just scuffed it to make her look better

hollow wyvern
#

then ran closer to the old spot, pulsed again

drifting quest
#

storing them like laev mf is a valid assumption though

outer ermine
#

damn either a mirage or ard could have done it

hollow wyvern
#

nvm

sudden lichen
#

tangtang's ult is gonna be so funny to CC the bosses

hollow wyvern
#

the repulse was after her second combo

#

range might be even shorter then

sudden lichen
#

all the big moves can be smashed and phases skipped

hollow wyvern
#

yeah that part seems interesting

hollow wyvern
#

from the beast freeze, it might even just cancel the move it freezes?

#

rather than continuing it after

#

if so that would buy even more time as the boss then has to start a diff attack pattern after it expires

sudden lichen
#

even if not, it gives extra time to reach stagger

hollow wyvern
#

beast froze mid dash

#

I think that's the dash where it ends with a head swipe?

#

but after expiration it just stands there shaking itself off before eventually starting new pattern

sudden lichen
#

it reached a stagger node, so hard to tell

hollow wyvern
#

oh the middle node

drifting quest
#

given we dont want to let tangtang ult expire

#

it probably is less practical than you think

#

for stopping boss patterns

hollow wyvern
#

yeah that's the unfortunate part

sudden lichen
#

eeh, idk about that

hollow wyvern
#

you can't have everything with her kit, gotta give up something

sudden lichen
#

still gives good enough options

drifting quest
#

we want to maximise talent 2 procs

#

which we cant do if we let it naturally expire

hollow wyvern
#

I mainly like tt for the ult stop tbh, I don't like having to wait for a stun window

#

maybe I can make tt skill during ult work

#

rather than using the jump

sudden lichen
#

I'll think deeper into it when we get her tbh

hollow wyvern
#

would still conflict with gilb app regardless

sudden lichen
#

too much little numbers we don't have yet

drifting quest
#

going to be a long day

#

i know ill probably be going to play the patch first, rather then tc'ing

#

which is one of the big downsides for us not getting info until patch drops

thorn shore
#

tangtang prob replaces alesh right?

drifting quest
#

either alesh or gilb

#

for yvonne

#

hard to say for sure right now

#

could go either way

thorn shore
#

why would she replace gil

drifting quest
#

sp issues

#

if tangtang needs to spam skill more often then alesh is required to compensate for sp

thorn shore
#

then thatd be xaihi replace no? isnt gil grouping just mandatory

drifting quest
#

no

hollow wyvern
#

dropping gilb also makes things easier esp if you wanna use tt ult for yvonne ult

drifting quest
#

its a qol that helps in wide aoe but tangtang helps to cover aoe scenarios already

hollow wyvern
#

but prob depends on the vuln %

thorn shore
#

oh tangtang has grouping i didnt even realize

#

thats cool

hollow wyvern
#

she has aoe dmg, not grouping afaik

drifting quest
#

^

thorn shore
#

oh

hollow wyvern
#

but the aoe dmg might be good enough

safe sand
#

dropping the only amp character in a yvonne team 🥀

hollow wyvern
#

esp if she starts battle with 3 stacks

thorn shore
drifting quest
#

waiting for numbers to see who is more likely to get the boot

hollow wyvern
#

if tangtang ult pools have same duration as regular I can prob tt and gilb ult during yvonne ult and be fine

drifting quest
#

it depends on how the infliction from the spouts is coded

#

if say 4 spouts all apply at once > all get consumed

#

then you never get to tt ult during gilb ult

#

or well

#

optimal lines fall off rather

thorn shore
#

??? cryo inflics are coming from spouts?

#

i thought she had one on ult end and one on bs

drifting quest
#

battleskill makes a spout, the spout inflicts the cryo

#

more pools means more spouts means more infliction

#

i believe this is shown off

thorn shore
#

oh wow ok then she is gonna be busted beyond belief

drifting quest
#

maybe not

#

let me try find an example of it

#

or a counterexample

glass birch
drifting quest
#

skill spouts are the ones that apply suscept

#

its just 1

#

rip the timelines

#

this kinda bricks it all

#

om

glass birch
#

Dive attack from ult does the same as if using the BS. its just higher dmg

drifting quest
#

ok maybe tangtang doesnt even make the team

#

waiting for numbers moment

thorn shore
#

sucks being as smart as me ig

#

sigh'

drifting quest
#

it sounded reasonable so i never questioned it

#

i gotta update the tangtang tc group

gaunt mason
drifting quest
#

her timelines are overassuming stack gen

#

this also means alesh has a good chance of remaining

outer ermine
#

GilbSleep hate ard

#

do we have any bamboo and water routes

#

tear

noble tapir
#

I hope tangtang wins out. I think her ult mechanics are sick

drifting quest
#

even if she doesnt

#

play her anyway

#

who cares

noble tapir
#

Cc’ing bosses. Ability to end it earlier for added bonuses. That shit’s sweet

thorn shore
#

she has cryo sus i think and probably does pretty good damage herself

#

plus a lot of people are gonna be spending if she makes the team bc this is third yvonne team member in a row kekw, even if u didnt pull gilb its still back to back pulls

#

so big money

midnight stirrup
#

wdym third

thorn shore
#

gilb is in yvonne team

#

yvonne is in yvonne team

midnight stirrup
#

yeah thats one

thorn shore
#

if tangtang is in

#

then three in a row

midnight stirrup
#

yvonne doesnt count

thorn shore
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is yvonne not a member of her own team

daring dove
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Getting there on building Yvonne but I also want to start saving resources for Tangtang shortly. sadcat

thorn shore
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stupid ass nitpicking

drifting quest
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the point was potentially 3 banners in a row

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for yvonne players

midnight stirrup
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its not even nitpicking

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team member refers to the teammates alongside yvonne

thorn shore
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its like saying a team leader isnt part of the team dude

tight haven
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with 3 limited ops yvonne will finally perform to the level that lr can with 2 5* and a free op POGGIES

midnight stirrup
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now that is nitpicking

thorn shore
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regardless like shuo said u can understand my point regardless

midnight stirrup
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yeah i do

tight haven
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if she was actually hgs favourite they would give her a -15% ult cost pot

tight haven
daring dove
tight haven
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she does actually, unironically, outperform lr at low pots

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if you play perfectly

midnight stirrup
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if you play perfectly and all the scenarios are in ur favor

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so she doesnt

tight haven
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i have not seen any convincing p5p5 comparisons that favour yvonne personally

daring dove
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I'll have LR & Yvonne at equal investment in a few weeks, so will test who actually performs better & which team feels better to play.

midnight stirrup
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these rhodagon comparisons are dumb