theorycrafting

[dawn patrol]

oh my god cro these people flexing in tc

[lime anchor]

i kinda regret not getting gilberta but eh... id rather save the pulls for elite ops if they ever come

[icy remnant]

EXCUSE YOU

[midnight stirrup]

Scammaz

[honest onyx]

huh?

[icy remnant]

He just flexed his P2 Gilb

[honest onyx]

bruv

[midnight stirrup]

That was Yvonne

[icy remnant]

Ok

[dawn patrol]

i'll get p2 gilb when she reruns

[icy remnant]

Anyways if ur tryna farm for TangTang essence

[midnight stirrup]

See my Gilb is P0

[icy remnant]

And if it’s indeed Agility Attack Detonate

You can farm 3 essence in 1

For Cryo team

[compact bridge]

Is it even possible to p5 tangtang as f2p here?

[icy remnant]

1 single pull per potential

[dawn patrol]

just get 6 in 6 pulls

[midnight stirrup]

Possible yes, goodluck getting it tho

[honest onyx]

how many pulls is gonna take to p5

[icy remnant]

I mean not like potentials matter anyway

[gaunt mason]

6

[bronze plume]

7

[lime anchor]

if you saved all of 1.0 and 1.1 then maybe

[compact bridge]

Well, the wife matters a lot than the rest

[midnight stirrup]

Except nobody is asking this

[icy remnant]

Wait TangTang is wife?

I thought she was gremlin

[compact bridge]

250 pulls + whatever 1.1 has?

[icy remnant]

[compact bridge]

Probably p3 at max lol

[honest onyx]

the husbando* matters a lot than the rest

[lime anchor]

gamba

id say p5 averages out at around 400ish

[honest onyx]

she is supreme chief

[outer ermine]

🐳

[compact bridge]

I wish the guarantee doesnt count into pity

[icy remnant]

Tang probably has a pretty good story too

[compact bridge]

Like arknights limited pity

[summer flower]

Hard pity... Not even one pull or two before it

[icy remnant]

Just set up 30 pity before the banner

You’ll get 20% or so more 6 stars on average

[summer flower]

The dossier strat

[honest onyx]

if you pulled 240 in banner, do you get pot2 or pot4?

[summer flower]

Pot 1

[compact bridge]

Nah, i dont want to lose

[summer flower]

If both hard pity

[midnight stirrup]

Neither

[bronze plume]

assuming worst luck 240 is p1

[midnight stirrup]

First copy is 120

Pot 1 = 240

= 360

[honest onyx]

huh

[river scroll]

So Rossi team is what?

[bronze plume]

no

[midnight stirrup]

Potentials cost double pity

[bronze plume]

pot 1 is from 240

[drifting quest]

she has like 10 or 20 but none seem particularly stellar

[compact bridge]

Isnt they said every 240 pulls is one pot?

[icy remnant]

TangTang Chen Endmin Rossi

We kill the enemies by frying their brain cells

[bronze plume]

120 total = the character
240 total = pot1
480 total = pot2

[midnight stirrup]

Yeah

[lime anchor]

hard pity 🤔

[midnight stirrup]

So youd get the char and on ur way half to the guarantee dupe.

[compact bridge]

No thats not it

[midnight stirrup]

Brother can u count

[honest onyx]

so if you hit hard pity on all times, you need 1320 pulls to get character + pot5

[midnight stirrup]

I got P0 Yvonne, what does that say for the dupe

165 left out of 240 pulls

[compact bridge]

Yes you need to spend 240 pulls

[midnight stirrup]

He asked where hed end up pulling 240 times on a banner

I said hed get P0 and halfway to the dupe

??

[compact bridge]

The 120 yvonne guarantee doesnt change anything about the 240 pot guarantee

[midnight stirrup]

Nobody is saying that

[bronze plume]

1200

[midnight stirrup]

Readig is difficult

[bronze plume]

first 240 gives character + pot 1 then every one after that is another pot

[compact bridge]

240 times on a banner mean a yvonne and one of yvonne pot

[midnight stirrup]

So wheres my pot 1

[lime anchor]

dupes are eh for yvonne, p3 and p5 after important, go big or go home

[compact bridge]

You only did 75 pulls on yvonne obviously

[midnight stirrup]

Mfs acting like I dont have 2 P5's and know the system like the back of my hand

[gritty olive]

rossi rossi rossiiii

[compact bridge]

How many did you pull on yvonne?

[midnight stirrup]

What is 165 + 75

[gritty olive]

240?

[honest onyx]

120 for character + 1200 pull for all pot5 - 240 pull discount for second pot = 1080 pulls
is that right?

[midnight stirrup]

Exactly

First copy I already have which was 120 to guarantee.

First potential is 240 to guarantee.

[compact bridge]

The dude said what he get with 240 pulls, he will get yvonne and one of yvonne pot on worst case

[bronze plume]

120 for the character
120 for the first pot (you get a pot every 240 but you get the character with the first 120 you already did 120 so you only need 120 more for the first 240)

this gives you p1 with 240 pulls you then need 4 more pots which are still all every 240 so its
240 x 4

tldr its 240 x 5

but the first 240 gives you 2 of the character

[midnight stirrup]

Oh I didnt know it got discounted by the first 120

[bronze plume]

while the other 4 give 1

[midnight stirrup]

Mb

[compact bridge]

Yeah exactly

[bronze plume]

thats due to the first 120 not being a dupe but the character

[manic blade]

No fire support til 1.3+ means more time to save ig

[bronze plume]

but you get a dupe every 240 but cuz you did 120 to get the character you only need 120 more for the first token dupe thingy

[compact bridge]

Your yvonne just proved that, you did 75 pulls but the pity to pot guarantee did not reset to 0, so you only need 165 pulls left for a yvonne pot

[midnight stirrup]

You shouldve said that it would be discounted then Silver

[midnight stirrup]

Thanks

[warm galleon]

I'm salty that my 80 pulls reset because of the free 2 pulls I got today

[compact bridge]

Yea i already said the 120 guarantee didnt affect the pot guarantee

[midnight stirrup]

It does affect it tho?

It discounts it

[bronze plume]

tbf thats terrible wording

[gritty olive]

pot counter is like guaranteed

but its counted up to 240

if you did 120 pulls, youre 120/240 on the pot counter

every 240 pulls is a guaranteed token

[icy remnant]

You got Yvonne? Or a spook

[bronze plume]

thank you for explaining what i said monika

where would i be without you

[warm galleon]

Yvon dupe

[honest onyx]

so basically, limited banner has 3 guaranteed going on

• 80 pull random character guaranteed (50/50 carry over)
• 120pull rateup character guaranteed (1-time, no carry over)
• 240pull potential guaranteed (no carry over)

[icy remnant]

dawg

[bronze plume]

yuh but 120 is 1 time

[icy remnant]

Pot is non stop

I think pot is every 120?

[glass birch]

I might have to lvl my pog for rossi.

[midnight stirrup]

1-79 pity carries over.
80 is 6-star but 50/50 and resets pity.
81-119 carries over at 39 pity
120 is guarantee char and resets 39 pity
Thats the basis for just one copy.

Now for dupes, if you get Yvonne within 1-120 pulls. The amount of pulls you did before getting her is what gets discounted off the 240 on your first dupe. So if you got her at 40, you still need to do 200 for p1. If you did 120, you need to do 120 for p1.

Every dupe after that is 240 always.

Correct me if im wrong but should be correct.

[bronze plume]

add no carry to 120 and 240 i guess

[midnight stirrup]

And everytime u reach a 6-star ur pity resets obv.

So even if early.

[icy remnant]

All I know is
get 30 pity before the banner through free tickets> roll for p0

[compact bridge]

Yeah, every 240 pulls is one pot no matter what

[compact bridge]

Now the question is, how the 80 pull guarantee affect the 240 guarantee?

[bronze plume]

it doesnt

actually

its just the characters token

like the dupe token thing

not the character itself

[ocean hawk]

the 240 doesnt work like the 120 one iirc

[compact bridge]

So not even yvonne show up

You just claim it then

[ocean hawk]

yeah

[warm galleon]

I had Yvon before her banner and the 120th is aslo a token.

[ocean hawk]

the screen will be like this (cc: @simple raptor )

[ocean hawk]

thats character converted into token

its different

[warm galleon]

Ohh

[ocean hawk]

the 240 one is just literally a token

so u wouldnt get the blue / red currency for shop thing

[honest onyx]

why are 4star dupes not show same, but show animations instead

[ocean hawk]

u didnt get the quota

[compact bridge]

The 120 reset the 80 guarantee counter... That feel really bad

[midnight stirrup]

The dupe is guaranteed

[ocean hawk]

wdym ?

[midnight stirrup]

I got P1 Laev before getting the banner dupe

and got P2

or rather it was on the 10 pull of 120 or whatever

[ocean hawk]

the 240 work just like a reward / milestone

[midnight stirrup]

Yh

[honest onyx]

when i pull 4star and 5star dupes, i see animations of them introducing themselves to me. havent gotten any 6star tho

[ocean hawk]

if u get another chartered char before 240, it wouldnt get reseted

[ocean hawk]

because its how its work ?, the 240 one is for 6 star chartered

so we have 2 source of token rn

literally a token itself, from story like wulfgard (correct me if iam wrong for wulfgard), or from 240 milestone like chartered banner dupes

and from dupes char (converted into token)

[midnight stirrup]

Anyway

[glass birch]

So in terms of Rossi I've currently got two teams planned
Team 1; Rossi-Ake-Gilberta-Wulf
Ake for her ult and link to buff Rossi's ult
Gil for gil things (And to take advantage of Rossi's fast Vulnerability ramp)
Wulf for heat application (Mine is P5 so I'm taking that into account)
Then Rossi; the build would focus on CR and maximizing her ult's damage through talent 2

Team 2; Rossi-Pog-Ardelia-Wulf
Pog for SP generation + Breach to strengthen the buildup to rossi's ult
Ardelia for Corrosion + Susceptibility since she affects both phys and arts.
Wulf for wulf things.
Then rossi; The build focusses more on her combo skill; which has ~10s cooldown. Her combo skill is only 2 hits so the build itself could run something other than MI Security. Possibly T50? Bonekrusha T1 chest/T50 gloves/T50 Knife x2 for ~140% combo damage and up to 60% from T50's set effect

Thoughts?

[river scroll]

team 1 is good I think. pog seems useless tho on 2nd team. what even the breach for? Rossi have no physical dmg on ult

[glass birch]

Rossi's basic, SEQ1 on BS, and both hits on Combo are phys

and her combo SEQ2 acts like LR's combo skill where it gains damage based on infliction stacks consumed

[summer flower]

I messed up my jumping tech completely

All soup gone

[wind nebula]

Breach only enhances physical damage. Pog is not good for Rossi if dev is accurate when they said that majority of her damage is her heat ult

[summer flower]

Sadge

[bronze plume]

yeah pog wont be good for rossi

[glass birch]

"Strongest damage window" Is what they said though.

[summer flower]

Yea no, fitting Rossi into Phys team is for question would rossi be good for Phys team, not if Phys team pieces would be good for Rossi

[glass birch]

depending on the % values her phys damage could be reliable to build for more consistent dmg instead of burst

[summer flower]

I can see Rossi+da pan + some duo with infliction

But hey, a lot of hate for having two duos as your team comp

To point that even if there is some good teams like that I don't think they'll be considered by people doing teams and maths for them at all

[wind nebula]

Rossi wants heat and combustion application, someone to crush and something that buffs all damage or buffs Ult

[river scroll]

but LR got all those 3 buff from 3 different operator for both combo and ult.

if you do it like that you will just get spread out buff, which basically only will give small dmg increase.

because 3 different buff is exponential increase.

but 1 buff only is multiplication

[bronze plume]

what does combustion do for rossi even

[drifting quest]

Required for a conditional

[bronze plume]

cringa

[drifting quest]

Because lmao

[glass birch]

increases how much extra damage she gets every time her talent 2 procs

which procs on crit hits

[summer flower]

Is there someone who wants combustion on enemy and doesn't eat it?

[river scroll]

Talent 2:
Critical Hits on enemies with Talent 1’s DoT will cause those Crit Hits to deal additional dmg and restore HP. If the target is Combusted, the dmg and HP is increased.

[summer flower]

Also do you need every bit of kit used?

[river scroll]

Rossi, doesn't eat it

[glass birch]

lae doesnt eat combustion on her combo skill but running 2 carries would be kinda rough

[summer flower]

Existing in game already

Like two carries is possible

[bronze plume]

so she basically wants wulf

[ashen scroll]

Wulfgard should be fine if you dont use his BS which is like 90% of the time

[summer flower]

Bs is SP cost anyways isn't it?

[wind nebula]

I've come to the conclusion that endfield has a system that tells us whether a character is supposed to be a selfish hypercarry or part of a synergistic group of damage dealers.

Striker is the former, typically getting at least one Supporter.

Guard and Casters are the latter. Group them together to leverage both their solid damage AND their damage enhancements / inflictions, or make them a subdps in a team with a striker

[drifting quest]

I mean

Guard just means they apply vuln as a core part of their kit

[bronze plume]

rossi is just weird it aint that deep

[drifting quest]

Caster means they apply arts inflictions

[wind nebula]

"and do good damage". Both caster and guard say this

[drifting quest]

Strikers consume inflictions/reactions for benefits

[summer flower]

Defender is just based

[drifting quest]

Nothing about guard/striker/caster forces them to be a DPS or a support, they could be either

[summer flower]

It does exactly what you think it'll do

[wind nebula]

Defender, vanguard and supporter make no promise of damage.

[drifting quest]

Generally they are skewed more towards damage, but it isn't a mandatory thing

[summer flower]

We have seen og arknights

With some supporters being more damage than usual DMG guys

[drifting quest]

E.g. compare Endmin and Dapan

One is a guard, the other a striker

[wind nebula]

No it is, unless they're lying about their intent in their own design. Just click the class on the character screen and it tells you

[ashen scroll]

Also looking at the enemy stat we probably going to ignore "class" and just focus on their resistance instead , and everyone become Art/Physical type

[drifting quest]

But they do the same role

[wind nebula]

No they don't, Endmin has effects that enhance the entire teams damage output. Not a ton, but Da Pan has zero.

Also, da Pan combo only works with a certain amount of infliction, meaning their kit breaks rather than just missing out on damage

[drifting quest]

If we are cherrypicking avywenna is a striker who buffs the team

[ashen scroll]

Da pan have base skill

[drifting quest]

Lr does too

Chen is a guard who doesnt provide buffing

[summer flower]

Guys, what are primary stats and secondary of them?

Maybe it's that

[drifting quest]

No correlation

[summer flower]

Sad

[drifting quest]

Its quite literally just guard/caster stack, striker consume

Exceptions exist because they always will

E.g. Dapan Endmin who have very similar kits

[summer flower]

Ehh, wait weapon type correlation?

[drifting quest]

Not other than like Vanguards have 1h swords

But thats only a 1.0 thing

So that you have weapon alternatives

E.g. thermite obj fortmaker

Same sort of applies generally I guess

2h sword defender

Polearm/1h sword guard

Pistol/arts unit caster

Arts unit supporter

Etc etc

Product of 1.0 weapon options not because of class restriction

[gritty briar]

Yeah they probably just don't wanna bloat the weapon pool with shit like a vanguard spear or something so early on

i'm sure stuff like that will come eventually

[wanton notch]

Tragodia: "supporter"

[summer flower]

Exploding dogs

[drifting quest]

Virtuosa momento

[wanton notch]

He supports by bullying enemy into dying or never reaching your guys, while being able to do that across entire map

[drifting quest]

Any summoner

[summer flower]

There was also one I forgot

[wanton notch]

BagPipe is funny vanguard that can just.. Delete people

[summer flower]

Bag pipe does vanguard stuff

[drifting quest]

DPS arclight

[summer flower]

Didn't check it

[gritty briar]

Yato the fakest vanguard

[bronze plume]

i think for rossi

[glass birch]

3s combo goes brrr

[fathom spear]

tang tang ultimate can immobilize bosses ?

[bronze plume]

ill just do rossi, wulf, gil, ake

[summer flower]

Redeployment time

[drifting quest]

Pray for good rossi mult

[summer flower]

So vanguard

[fathom spear]

that's nice then thanks

[wanton notch]

Soup saving Yvonne stocks

[bronze plume]

thatll have to be her saving grace until we get better ops that fit the arch

[drifting quest]

Yvonne post gilb, buff and better tech/timelining isnt terrible

Tangtang can do a lot for her on top

[bronze plume]

kirin r yato tho

[glass birch]

Rossi just gonna be Avy 2.0 w/ heat. Low dmg until you ult for burst

[drifting quest]

Pretty possible yvonne > lr moving forward

[wanton notch]

Crit damage gear

[summer flower]

But avy does burst on BS

[drifting quest]

Yvonne already outscales at higher cost

[glass birch]

same thing. Low damage until all your spears are in place and you use BS to pull them all in

[wanton notch]

The only problem is time to pewpew

[drifting quest]

So interested to see how equal cost happens w/ tt

[summer flower]

Okay, I think I should expect Rossi to be better than other available operators at high investment

[drifting quest]

Rossi potentials can very easily break her yes

[summer flower]

And I expect tang tang to be core

[glass birch]

Another thing to note with rossi; if the multipliers on her talent 2 suck and dont scale well; it might kill off crit entirely for her. Meaning you could potentially do better with building heat dmg/ult dmg%

[summer flower]

That's just based on pre operator thoughts on previous and doing vector on them like previous were mistaken

[wanton notch]

I will pull on both of their banners with intend to lose 50/50

[drifting quest]

Im waiting for numbers

If rossi numbers are salvageable I might grab her

Else its tangtang gaming

[glass wind]

[gritty briar]

a few buffs

[bronze plume]

im on the i want rossi cuz its rossi gang

[wanton notch]

I wonder if Rossi sword gonna make Crit Chen or any Physical Sword user a thing

[drifting quest]

Prob not

Rossi has in kit cdmg

They dont

[wanton notch]

Because I am 100% sure that Rossi sword gonna have Crit rate on second slot and Crit damage with conditions on 3rs part

[bronze plume]

whats her in kit cdmg?

[glass birch]

likely not. the skill (3rd line) will likely have heat dmg% if it's anything similar to artzy

[gritty briar]

i wanna know if any of the tangtang guns might work for dps fluorite

[drifting quest]

On ult

[wanton notch]

Something about Vulnerability and Heat infliction

[drifting quest]

Same as yvonne

[bronze plume]

ahh

[glass birch]

Combo skill gives rossi a crit dmg% buff iirc as well as her ult has built in Crit dmg

[bronze plume]

tbf ive never looked at yvonne kit

[drifting quest]

At least we are assuming

Based on how they worded it

It is slightly ambiguous translation

[odd wren]

Rapid ascent has crit rate too

[wanton notch]

They don't mention what damage her battle skill does despite saying that her ba are physical I think

Battle skill just says Deals DMG

[glass birch]

SEQ1 does phys while SEQ2 does heat

They did say that

[drifting quest]

Icon is gray/grey

[wanton notch]

Oh I am blind then

[river scroll]

it's the talent that do heat dmg

not the SEQ i think

[drifting quest]

Should be talent yeah

[wanton notch]

Who can eat heat infliction except Lae

[drifting quest]

Reactions

[wanton notch]

Fck

[drifting quest]

Rossi herself

[lyric latch]

Cant look at it now but I am pretty sure Rossi was using the gear set that stacked ATK on Crit and she had another buff that stacked on crit that had a Wolf icon likely from her weapon unless there is something like that from her kit

[wanton notch]

Oh wait she does?

[glass birch]

Talent 1 does physical dmg

[drifting quest]

To convert to vuln

[wanton notch]

She eats only one or all?

[drifting quest]

It consumes all infliction stacks

Of any element

[glass birch]

All for 1-2 vuln

[wanton notch]

Bruh

Ngl for some reason I want to try Ake, Antal, Rossi, Gilberta

[drifting quest]

Isnt it 1 vuln per inflict

+1 on conditional

[wanton notch]

But I didn't pull Gilberta so I fck off

[glass birch]

SEQ1 Physical. SEQ2 Heat.

[drifting quest]

Semi standard rossi hyper cope team

[glass birch]

Wolven Ambrage is the 2nd part of her BS

[wanton notch]

Heat Yvonne but bad

[glass birch]

The debuff/Dot applied by SEQ2 deals Physical dmg over time and increases the Phys and Heat dmg the target takes

[river scroll]

also as if Rossi kit isn't strange enough. all her heat dmg source actually crit trigger dependant

WTF AAAAAAA

[drifting quest]

Haha you wanted variety in gearing?

[glass birch]

Only her ult

[drifting quest]

Its not all heat sources though

[river scroll]

battle skill too

[drifting quest]

Some but not all of her conditionals are on crit

[glass birch]

BS SEQ2 isnt crit dependant

You only need 1 vuln stack on starget when hitting with her BS to get the heat dmg

[river scroll]

it can trigger another effect if Crit

[drifting quest]

And she doesnt appear to have a good cr steroid like yvonne so you need to divert more gear into crit rate

For consistency

It's kinda miserable

[wanton notch]

Watch red gear to save the day

[glass birch]

You're thinking of her Talent 2

Which just causes her to do an extra hit whenever she crits

its not tied to her BS

[wanton notch]

I just hope it isn't all gear that we get

[drifting quest]

It wont

[glass birch]

combo skill buffs CR and CD though. How much? We dont know lol

[drifting quest]

It will not give more cr than mi security can, since its equal
And mi security set bonus is 10%

[wanton notch]

Man, I just hope that there's some love for Will+STR characters that want to do dps

If they don't, I will get depressed

[glass birch]

5% and another 5% when you get 5 crits

[river scroll]

but the clawmark is from here battle skill

which then trigger 2nd talent

[glass birch]

Talent 2 just needs the target to have the DoT from Talent 1 applied

[glass wind]

Can someone show me whats Rossi's second talent?

[river scroll]

Talent 2:
Critical Hits on enemies with Talent 1’s DoT will cause those Crit Hits to deal additional dmg and restore HP. If the target is Combusted, the dmg and HP is increased.

[river scroll]

oh... you are right

[lyric latch]

anyone know what the second buff she has in this image is? the first one is from Mi Security right?

[river scroll]

wait they don't tell the additional dmg type. is it physical or heat

wtf

[glass birch]

no clue on seething blood wether its heat or phys

Considering the name; likely heat

[river scroll]

[glass wind]

So shes has Bleed mechanic

[bronze plume]

i mean its just a dot

[river scroll]

her entire mechanics is kinda strange and niche

[glass wind]

Those dots might actually hit alot per dot

[river scroll]

unique and Rossi exclusive dot ✅

[unreal light]

Hi dango, I believe, it were you to ask

[glass wind]

I mean having 2 Talents for just that Bleed Mechanic seems sus

[river scroll]

talent 1 is actually dmg taken debuff

which are more rare than sus debuff

[drifting quest]

Not super rare

[glass wind]

So shes actually Heat Bleed in disguise.

[drifting quest]

Deto unit, ard sig, xaihi, etc

[river scroll]

at least not as common as sus

[glass birch]

It makes it so you want to keep a good up-time on her debuff from using BS; which requires at least 1 vuln stack on the target Maybe chen support could be viable for more consistent up-time on her Razor Clawmarks?

[glass wind]

[wanton notch]

Mi - Lynx slab viable

Let's fkng gooo

Shame that we getting new sets and I don't have reason to ever artifice them now

[drifting quest]

Crit perl has always been best for personal dps on perlica yeah

[river scroll]

damn... crit meta soon

[drifting quest]

Full team proper rot biases pulser

[wanton notch]

Crit Chen

[river scroll]

new gear probably crit related too

[wanton notch]

We have Red Mi Kit

[glass wind]

if her Bleed deals Heat dmg. That means Antal is her best buffer.

[wanton notch]

New SM, Aether and etc

[glass birch]

susc/damage taken would be better than amp wouldnt it?

[wanton notch]

Lynx got a single kit and that's it

[river scroll]

I'm interested in the new tower, surely I can clear alluviums faster

[glass wind]

Im actually building a team around Antal for Rossi. His Combo skill is too suspicious that it matches with Rossi's kit

[drifting quest]

Tide surge got nothing

[glass wind]

He has it on his Mark Skill

[glass birch]

yeah but like 5%

and requires 100 sp

ardelia does it better at 12-20%

[river scroll]

isn't amp more rare?

[terse valley]

what

[glass wind]

Dude it literally has 60 secs duration

Longest Debuff on the game.

[wanton notch]

No love for basic attacks

[glass birch]

60 second duration, requires 100 sp, and 5-10%.
vs.
30 second duration, 20s cooldown, requires 100 sp, and 12-20%

Edit; my b. P5 antal scales his focus up by 5% after 20s. so its 5% for 20s, 10% for 40s

[terse valley]

what

[odd wren]

I have a question for yvonne users can p5 wedge replace artzy?

[glass birch]

P5 wedge is good if you only have P0 artzy.

[river scroll]

I'm actually cooking one too... but after Rossi do her ult, this team kinda dead.

near 3 sp bar > Gilb bs > wait near 3 sp bar > Antal bs > Ake bs > Antal cs > Gilb cs > Rossi cs > Antal ult > Rossi bs > Gilb ult > Ake ult > Rossi ult

[glass birch]

or dont have artzy

[odd wren]

I literally don't have artzy xd

[glass wind]

He can make Rossi's vult stack to max 4.
Rossi usually can do 3 stacks antal can do the last one.
You can also do the opposite. If u let Rossi consume the infliction, Delaying Antal's combo for infliction will make him apply another one.

[glass birch]

P5 wedge should be fine

[odd wren]

[river scroll]

my main problem now is. how will Rossi do dmg, after she use her ult?

her whole team is probably like fire buffer

[bronze plume]

shes like laev

you probably want ult up in 1 rot

[glass birch]

build heat to 4 stack and then apply 1 vuln to proc her combo?

[glass wind]

Antal can buff her dmg

[terse valley]

is this assuming you dont have gilberta

[river scroll]

unbuffed combo huh...

[glass wind]

Yeah ive been using Akekuri and Pog.

[river scroll]

well i guess not bad

[glass birch]

Its extra ult energy and buffed damage from 4 stack infliction consumption and afterwards you could go back in to re-apply clawmarks

[glass wind]

Im using Chen for Rossi. This is how much theyre buffing

[terse valley]

u really gotta time antal bskill use here

[glass birch]

no wulf is blasphemous

[terse valley]

what is my man pog doing there

[glass birch]

vuln consumption for breach to reset vuln stacks?

[glass wind]

Enemy had 2 debuffs from Breach and Antal's

+Rossi's when she comes out

[terse valley]

and who benefits breach?

[glass birch]

rossi's clawmarks is a phys dot

[terse valley]

youre... making a DoT focused rossi

[river scroll]

surely you aren't buffing with just 1 buff

[glass birch]

and over half her kit is phys

[river scroll]

you always want to stack all buff

[terse valley]

wait is her bskill and combo a physical dmg

[river scroll]

bs is phys and heat

[glass birch]

Bskill SEQ1 is phys. SEQ2 is heat
Combo SEQ 1 and SEQ2 are both phys

Basic attacks are phys too

[river scroll]

i just hope her number are good

[terse valley]

combo is full phys?

[glass birch]

Clawmarks is a phys dot
Seething blood might be heat?
Ult is full heat

[river scroll]

especially with how hard to use her

[glass wind]

I can also use Endmin. I just cant tell if i can time her Cancer rock for Crush. Its hard to test it without Rossi.

[river scroll]

Rossi, Gilb, Ake, Antal is the way.
trust meh

[glass birch]

Basic attack SEQ1-5; Phys
Finisher; Phys
BS SEQ1; Phys
BS SEQ2; Heat
Combo SEQ1; Phys
Combo SEQ2; Phys
Ult multi hit; Heat
Ult SEQ1; heat
Ult SEQ2 Heat
Razor Clawmarks; Phys dot
Seething blood extra hits on crit; Probably heat?

[glass wind]

I need to see her DMG numbers man..

[river scroll]

then surprise actually more phys 💀

yeah...

[terse valley]

what if no gilberta

[honest hill]

which one because surge tower is best for mobs rn

[river scroll]

no way

[glass birch]

Ardelia buffs both Phys and arts. You just need a way to clear Vuln (Thats what pog's for)

[river scroll]

dunno...

[icy remnant]

Imagine they sell a solution by having her weapon give a ridiculous amount of Ult energy refund

[honest hill]

Deluge tower maybe

[river scroll]

ult regen and crit

[glass wind]

We need more Breach chars

[river scroll]

[terse valley]

so a physical focused rossi

[glass wind]

Physical AMP char when

[river scroll]

i guess this is why i like LR. she always have those consistent dmg from combo skill with 8s CD. unlike other dealer that is ult dependant

[icy remnant]

Arts amplification
Physical what? Steroids?

[main nova]

normal gacha industry behavior

[glass wind]

ATK buff is too universal

[main nova]

i dont see why not

[glass birch]

Another funny thing is that depending on the multipliers for seething blood and how much it gets buffed through combustion; using Wulf to clear combustion w/ Clannibal might be the go-to

[main nova]

then again this game is pretty chill, unless you want to brag about minmax damage or something

[honest hill]

I hope tangtang good w her

[glass birch]

clannibal provides a heat dmg buff when consuming combustion iirc

[odd wren]

Yessssss more crush buffs pls

[icy remnant]

It’s nearly a definite she will be

[river scroll]

unfortunately I will just Gilb, Ake for combustion

[honest hill]

I'm curious what the new sets do for LR

[icy remnant]

Idk I just want LR sig

[drifting quest]

New chest offpiece maybe

[honest hill]

u have to pull it

[glass wind]

High ATK buffer char would be another Bennet problem

[honest hill]

lol

[glass birch]

likely nothing tbh

[honest hill]

ye the new frontier the one rn is ult dmg bonus

[icy remnant]

Maybe if I copium hard enough Mifu will come with a generic weapon that LR can use

[river scroll]

chest. currently lr have no consistent chest piece

[icy remnant]

Then I can just roll that

[terse valley]

antal cant proc his combo skill from reaction

[honest hill]

like if it was str will + something dmg bonus

[river scroll]

it's from ake bs

[icy remnant]

If Laev gets a good chest piece we can finally use Lynx slab

[terse valley]

you did ake bs after gilb battle skil thats combustion

[honest hill]

lev still needs ult gain if u don't got P4

[drifting quest]

UGE on hot work chest could unlock slab

[icy remnant]

That’s the chest we want

[honest hill]

Yeah u better hope it does

then u can switch to slab

[glass wind]

Are we getting stat buffer like Agi/ Str character?

[glass birch]

Does antal really not see that heat's applied and try to apply heat again?

I gotta see this lol

[glass wind]

You can if u put him last.

[terse valley]

i...dont know actually i never played him lol

[unreal light]

Sorry, it is with Arclight and Antal, keep that in mind

With Ake/Gilb I haven't calculated it yet, but I believe, you're either expected to link perlica's ult, or the dps might drop off, related to pulser

[river scroll]

easily fixed
near 3 sp bar > Antal bs > wait near 3 sp bar > Gilb bs > Ake bs > Antal cs > Gilb cs > Rossi cs > Antal ult > Rossi bs > Gilb ult > Ake ult > Rossi ult

[glass birch]

order doesnt matter for casting though. It's just Que order for matching conditionals. If you dont care for the Que order then they can go off still

[drifting quest]

Pulser assumes dual dps

[fossil helm]

would rossi be a good teammate for laevatein?

[drifting quest]

Hyper perl should bias crit

[fossil helm]

and what about tangtang for yvonne?

[unreal light]

it doesn't matter

[drifting quest]

Maybe, but not likely

[terse valley]

again youre inflicting nature with gilberta bs and then combusted it with ake bs bru this is the exact same thing

[river scroll]

yeah Laevatain can support Rossi, by giving her pyro infliction

[unreal light]

double dps perl is stronger with MI

[terse valley]

hello??

[drifting quest]

Do you have a sheet

[glass birch]

so gil BS > Antal BS > Ake BS > Antal CS

[river scroll]

but gilberta bs is enough to trigger Antal cs yes?

[drifting quest]

Goes against the grain

[drifting quest]

Do you have a link

This means nothing

Alone

[terse valley]

oh, idk if he can apply the nature again if it's gone when he does the combo, try it and see if it works

[drifting quest]

Again this means nothing

[unreal light]

ok, just like your words

[river scroll]

it can. i have tested

[drifting quest]

I dont know what you are including, what assumptions you make, what alternatives you are comparing to

[unreal light]

I mean you didn't even calculate it, nor you have a sheet to counterproof that

[river scroll]

not on antal. but other unit that is similar

[unreal light]

sure, atleast I do include something, and you don't

[drifting quest]

I have like 50 things to do, ive linked you like 5 or 10 other resources over these days to look at

[glass birch]

So I tested the interaction with antal; he sees that heat is applied and applies heat again

he doesnt care about the reaction; just that an affliction is applied

[unreal light]

you haven't linked literally anything to me, besides iana doc lmao

[drifting quest]

Im asking if I can see your assumptions to see if they make sense and are worth looking into

[terse valley]

ok cool but who consumes the stacks again? khorsyn?

[river scroll]

oh... so this work?
" gil BS > Antal BS > Ake BS > Antal CS"
great

[drifting quest]

You're just randomly super hostile about it for me being skeptical

[drifting quest]

Give me an hour or two and I'll reping with them

[terse valley]

oh damn realy?

[unreal light]

You're not sceptical, you're spreading nonsense with a straight face, and you don't have anything to back it up

[glass birch]

Yeah. If the target has 1 nature stack and ake applied heat to create combustion; Antal sees that Heat is applied and his Combo will apply 1 heat affliction

[river scroll]

@terse valley turn out the first rotation already correct. no need to change it

[terse valley]

yeah i wanna test this myself

[glass birch]

I can record it real quick

[drifting quest]

How is what you are doing any different? You are posting screenshots without showing the math behind it

If I start adding numbers to what I say does it magically make it more accurate in your eyes?

You're mad at me for 'trust me bro' comments but you are doing the same

[unreal light]

pure whataboutism, sorry for me calculating all the shit, that you didn't even consider possible

[drifting quest]

I'm trying to be civil but you just use it as an excuse to get on my ass about it

[river scroll]

don't fight you 2

you both is like regular here

why still fighting

[drifting quest]

I'm trying not to, I'm asking for a way to verify their claims

[glass birch]

https://medal.tv/games/arknights-endfield/clips/mdSFstYuWysOu_aBB?invite=cr-MSw3SHYsMjcxMjk1Mzky&v=27

[terse valley]

okay, combusted and yet antal combo triggered

[drifting quest]

So that if they are right it can be looked into more, passed onto TC'ers and elec mains

I'm trying to be open to their pov but they are giving me no room to actually verify it

[bitter cove]

does anyone theorycrafting rossi teammates yet

[terse valley]

without the numbers we can only do feelcrafting

[unreal light]

feel free to investigate, I ain't linking my work to someone, who didn't spend a minute calculating whatever bullshit they recomend

[drifting quest]

Lmao

[drifting quest]

Try to be genuine, get hostility and elitism in return

Cannot make this shit up

[river scroll]

can you try the full rot?

near 3 sp bar > Gilb bs > wait near 3 sp bar > Antal bs > Ake bs > Antal cs > Gilb cs > Rossi cs > Antal ult > Rossi bs > Gilb ult > Ake ult > Rossi ult

[glass birch]

No because no rossi

[river scroll]

try with chen

or someone

[bronze plume]

you cant be too surprised with how its been lately tbf

[river scroll]

since Rossi don't eat any vuln or arts infliction

[drifting quest]

I need to send off a modmail about getting more mods in here anyway

[glass wind]

Cant find proper replacement for rossi cos need someone who can consume infliction for combo

[glass birch]

Rossi's combo requires both 1 or more vuln and 1 or more inflictions

[bronze plume]

that requires them to have mods tbf

[drifting quest]

Im home in 30m to an hour so I'll do it then

[glass birch]

oh wait- Gil applies lift

I forgot about that

[river scroll]

oh... right.... guess no hope then 😭

[glass birch]

Gil's CS applies lift ignore that

[river scroll]

can you try then?

[glass birch]

should be fine

I just closed my game

[river scroll]

damn... 😭

[terse valley]

infliction from antal combo, vul from gilberta combo triggered from combustion

[proud vector]

Theorycrafting’s spirit animal is like, a hippo

[signal sundial]

bnnuy

[glass birch]

im running on like 2h of sleep if not evident by the poor clip where I dodge cancel antal's focus and waste the 100 sp

[bronze plume]

id say a rabbid dog

[signal sundial]

2nd line finally hit so i just stuffed the essence goop in for the last 2 slots

[glass birch]

its only rabbid when someone mentions the gyatt

.gyatt

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470559890274783234/7gnlhrm4cbee1.png?ex=698bbd1f&is=698a6b9f&hm=3f3ec04d775ce42e3a42e5f8868b92346512b746970e941d537553f53b8baf89&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=720

[icy remnant]

Petition to bring Gilberta back for a rerun right this instant

[proud vector]

No it has its peaceful times and isn’t afraid to do more than bark at the fence

[icy remnant]

A 1.0 unit already being so flexible and used in so many teams while people doomposted and said Ardelia is better so I didn’t roll

[glass birch]

The rotation should in theory work

[summer flicker]

.gyatt

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470559890274783234/7gnlhrm4cbee1.png?ex=698bbd1f&is=698a6b9f&hm=3f3ec04d775ce42e3a42e5f8868b92346512b746970e941d537553f53b8baf89&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=720

[proud vector]

Though I swear communications is not people’s strong suit in here

[glass wind]

Ive seen someone on Youtube recommending people not to pull for Gilberta

[icy remnant]

I’m so cooked

Gilberta rerun please, now

[terse valley]

i still dont know what to feel about this team

[proud vector]

maybe in 2.x that would make sense

Then again, massive arts damage taken is massive

[summer flicker]

pull anyone you like xddd, game have 0 endgame anyway

[glass wind]

Try mine.

[lean pawn]

Should I upgrade his hot work gear art intensity to have him hybrid breach and sp gain or is it not worth it?

[bronze plume]

wait until we see the new gear we are getting at this point icl

[terse valley]

right it's antal's 25s combo cooldown

fuck him

[lean pawn]

But if we didnt seen the gear like day1 would you?

[proud vector]

All the 4* have long ass combo skill cooldowns except Akekuri and Estella

It really fcke with them a bit lmao

[bronze plume]

i cant give a awnser to that me not well informed on the physical front

[summer flicker]

just save your thingy, there nothing in this game that is hard required max artificed anyway

unless you speedrun or sth

[icy remnant]

Honestly you can very comfortably clear all content w purple essences

[summer flicker]

then that's self imposed challenge

[proud vector]

If no artifice phys shatter can trim, it shouldn’t be required

[icy remnant]

Like trim medal and all

[lean pawn]

I am just saying in general term, cause people build pog fortmaker, its just hypothetical question not that I necessary wanna build pog

[glass wind]

I gave my Pog Swordmancer + offpiece Ult Gain

[icy remnant]

It’s not even considered a challenge cus it’s not hard

You literally just do it

[lean pawn]

breach deffo is where pog shines the most, but stagger is also nice ye

I mean I am not here being desperate mode I am just saying if the game would have been harder, would pog benefit from artificing his gear to full art intensity with slight ult gain or just full on art intensity p5 fortmaker

[glass wind]

also putting alot of stagger on enemy give my Akekuri alot of Combo triggering

[lean pawn]

I mean the percentage of breach amp sound really good

[glass wind]

I slapped a full Ult Gain on my Akekuri

[icy remnant]

Thermite cutter feels better than Fortmaker for me

[lean pawn]

So you did not go on the breach alternative?

You went for ult gain?

[proud vector]

SP is SP

[glass wind]

I have 2 SP chars

[lean pawn]

Ake and pog in same team?

[glass wind]

Yes

Chen is gonna be Rossi

[icy remnant]

I’m using Arts intensity set with Ult efficency gloves

It’s breach but with Thermite cutter attack buffs

[lean pawn]

Same

well i have 2 ult gain

[icy remnant]

The Pulsar set is better

The one with set bonus for arts intensity

I think it’s called pulsar

[lean pawn]

Ye prob....buuuut then I have less ult gain

[icy remnant]

You’re using thermite cutter too right?

You only need Ult gain gloves

[proud vector]

-# I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of SP. I try to play Last Rite. My SP bottlenecks my rotation. I try to play shatter phys. My SP bottlenecks my rotation. I want to play Laev, Yvonne. They both need SP. It grabs me by the throat. I run vanguard operators for it. I keep basic attack uptime for it. Its not satisfied. I use Akekuri ult. "Combo skill cooldowns continue to run during ultimate flash, dumbass" it yells. "You still don't have enough SP by the time your combo skills come off cooldown". It grabs my resources "you are hopeless. Just kill the enemy in 1 cycle". I can't afford to max the team, I don't have enough sanity. It grabs my inventory, there is no stamina refills left. "Guess this is the end". It raises its hand as rock cancer sprouts from my skin. “Crystallise!” It says as it walks closer with a baseball bat, ready to harvest me for 50 SP. There is no hint of sadness in its eyes. Nothing but pure resource management. What a cruel world.

[terse valley]

ok i actually like it
and it's a good excuse to play my already built khorsyn

[lean pawn]

termite doesnt give ult gain tho 🤔

[glass wind]

I use Flourite

[proud vector]

yea lizard gal gud and helps for sure

[terse valley]

what on earth

[proud vector]

But still, oofie ouchie

[glass wind]

She's a snek B3

🐍

[icy remnant]

It’s about break points

[digital nova]

guys, how is shatter team compared to pog da pan chen ember?

[thorn ibex]

does yvonne's s1 get her enough energy for 1 bskill ults?

[river scroll]

ember

[terse valley]

shatter is just budget physical

[proud vector]

It is NOT budget physical

It is also brain off physical

[digital nova]

yeah
is that not good?

[glass wind]

Shatter is like Crush but Blue.

[digital nova]

so worse, correct?

[proud vector]

I personally find it quite fun to use though

But yes no it suffers greatly in damage lmao

[terse valley]

shatter team main damage is endmin crush which has nothing to do with shatter

[glass wind]

You need Alesh or u gonna be force to use 2 elements for Freeze
Unless u want Yvonne on Shattter team

[thorn ibex]

does yvonne's s1 get her enough energy for 1 bskill ults?

[wanton notch]

I mostly look solo anyway

[glass wind]

Whats the S1 again?

[digital nova]

thanks

i have all physical characters except lifeng. whatt do you think the best team is that i can form with pog?

[terse valley]

at least until we get a proper shatter striker

[proud vector]

Shatter phys exists because Estella is a dear and wonderful gremlin

[terse valley]

pog chen dapan/endmin + flex i.e. akekuri

[icy remnant]

Why are half our operators gremlins

What happened in Endfield

[proud vector]

Akekuri hand picked them

And manage them through emotional extortion

Direct your complaints to her directly

[glass wind]

iirc her energy comes from her Skill. I havent notice the combo skill tbh.

[digital nova]

for flex i have p1 ardelia p1 ember and also p5 akekuri
what would be the highest dps of them all?

[thorn ibex]

it proc when you proc solidification, so basically as soon as the cooldown is off

[terse valley]

dps wise akekuri
but thats boring, go main ember

[digital nova]

thanks 😄

[icy remnant]

Akekuri is also more fun

Because more skill points

And the Link buff can cause your Endmin Ult to giga nuke

[proud vector]

More SP!
Time to fetch my copypasta again

Also can spend link on Chen ult, it does good damage tbh

[digital nova]

i actually have her built so ill give it a shot

[summer flicker]

no
assume 4 stack of cyro infliction: that's 10 + 30x 4 + combo skill: 10 + 10 + 15(s1) = 165
yvonne ult cost 220 - 165 = 55 / 6.5 = 8.4 aka you need to use 9 battle skill(team wide) to be able to 1bs yvonne

unless you equip the ult eff kit

[rocky saffron]

is there a site to simulate skill upgrade to know what stats it s boosting ?

[terse valley]

if both chen and endmin are built you can link buff chen ult so that u can consume the originium with endmin bskill instead to return 50 sp
but this is double vg team so should be no sp problem

[rocky saffron]

like on LR BS what upgrading improve ?

[thorn ibex]

lmfao what's even the point of s1

[summer flicker]

nothing

[summer flicker]

maybe some 6 battle skill rotation

[rocky saffron]

can you send the website link

[summer flicker]

https://endfieldtools.dev/characters/last-rite/

[thorn ibex]

https://endfieldtools.dev/

[rocky saffron]

ty

[summer flicker]

current common rotation is 2 bs, 1 inflition and 3 infliction , 6 battle skill make you endup somehow with 219/220 😭

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1475504621677187155/icon_48.gif

[terse valley]

i really wish we have the numbers on rossi personal damage, i wanna know the damage share between her phys damage and heat damage in a full rotation

[thorn ibex]

wait until release

[terse valley]

i want it NOW

[digital nova]

guys how do you rotate your laevatain teams? i basically just do ardelia combo then apply res reduction and then just spam my ardelias skills and combo with wulfgard whenever i can and then skill with my laevitain at 4/4 stacks until i get ult then repeat that in ult

is that how i do it? im reaading ianas AKEF guide and for laevitain teams it says that wulfgard applies 2 stacks of heat inflition with 1 SP. how? he always applies combustion for me when i use sp on him

[thorn ibex]

dont use it when it's flashing

[terse valley]

this can buff physical teammate right? as long as the wielder is not physical

[digital nova]

so other than that when building stacks, i always use my wulfgard battle skill to apply heat inflciation? and not akekuris?

[thorn ibex]

ake bskill > wolf cskill> final > ard cskill> ard bstill> spam laev stuff and use her bskill when 4 stacks > ake bskill and ard bskill alternate, spam wolf ult when possible, use laev ult > ake ult

[unreal light]

gomen

[digital nova]

gotcha gotcha thats about what ive been doing
so basically i dont have to touch wulfgards battle skill at all right

also i stil dont get why the guide says he applies 2 heat inflictions with 1 SP

[terse valley]

ake battle skill inflicts heat, wulf combo inflicts another heat

[digital nova]

ohh so thats what it meant

[terse valley]

thats where the 2 heat with 100 sp come from

[rocky saffron]

do you have the rot supposing i have gil instead of arde, but 232+ uge on wulf ?

[thorn ibex]

i played the same team but i have noticed you kinda just have 0 laev stacks so i'm prolly not the best person to ask

[sour kestrel]

aside from; Upgrading Weapon's mastery, upgrading Armor (i lack artificing cause im wuling poor ), Skill Mastery, is there anything else that I can swap or do to improve Chen?

also ATK funny number

[rocky saffron]

caus ok the sheet is telling you the breakpoint to reach but it's not showing the rotaton that goes with this breakpoint

[thorn ibex]

prolly ask iana themself

just ping em

[unreal light]

you may swap AI body with Combo% body from bonekrusha set

[terse valley]

oh that just doesnt feel right

[unreal light]

AI just gives a small increase to the stagger your lifted reaction does

[sour kestrel]

hm

okay

[next helm]

Farming protohedrons for the rest of time

[digital nova]

wife

[molten star]

Can y'all check to see what im doing wrong

[unreal light]

thats chen not fangyi

[digital nova]

polygamy is the way

[sour kestrel]

leek isn't out yet

[unreal light]

sorry I'm unfamiliar with LR

[bitter cove]

shinono have vid with gil u can check it out ig

[rare zodiac]

Something runout in the debuff bar but i am using data so I can’t see shit

[terse valley]

what would rossi team be if played around combustion

[outer ermine]

xai talent

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086672418832394/1461563574274101269/rossi-rossi-arknights.gif

man i need more rossi gifs

[rare zodiac]

We don’t know the numbers so this is just assumption but Rossi Wulf Ake Gilb

[terse valley]

ahh akekuri right

[oblique frost]

Ake 💩

[ebon thicket]

Does TangTang make Yvonne worth pulling or no?

[rare zodiac]

Questionable

[terse valley]

can you do 120 pulls back to back

[river ermine]

if you like yvonne, tangtang is a good teammate

[oak vigil]

Can someone elaborate really quick on why Perlica’s ultimate is usually used right before most buffs happen in the Rhodagn speedruns? Is it just for stagger damage?

[ebon thicket]

I can do 240 rn

[oak vigil]

Kinda have been noticing this pattern and was confused

[rare zodiac]

Can you handle 3 back to back 6*?

[terse valley]

ok thats crazy
if u like yvonne go ahead

[river scroll]

Just whel bro
swipe that card

[ebon thicket]

No but by the time the 3rd 6* comes around in like 4-7 weeks maybe

[rare zodiac]

I mean Gilb Yvonne Soupsoup

[river ermine]

just lucksacc it smmh

[unreal light]

might be stanza

[oak vigil]

OH RIGHT, I forgot about stanza, fair

[pure spoke]

Tang Tang when

[river ermine]

when tangtang (mar 12)

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/chen-arknights-arknights-endfield-endfield-yes-gif-9261220417428024166

[oblique frost]

What’s the issue with Wulf consume on Clannibal in Laev standard cycle when it’s easy to reapply, starting to feel good on close to maxed team

[ebon thicket]

I guess a better question is does Tang Tang make Yvonne a better DPS than Last Rite (Last Rite also benefits from Tang Tang from what I know)

[sterile patrol]

we dunno

[river scroll]

guys looks this Rossi rotation work

near 3 sp bar > Gilb bs > wait near 3 sp bar > Antal bs > Ake bs > Antal cs > Gilb cs > Rossi cs > Antal ult > Rossi bs > Gilb ult > Ake ult > Rossi ult

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541760801968128/1478013046097186857/Rotation.mp4?ex=69a6da6a&is=69a588ea&hm=ebc3c2fa154775c31f846de3d5637cb7397bc6751e335f6503f395c9485e0686&

[rare zodiac]

Sorry to break it to you but where vul to trigger Rossi BS?

[river scroll]

Gilb cs
also it's on vid

[drifting quest]

depends on numbers entirely
but yvonne recently with better team, gameplay optimization, rotation, etc. is performing closer to lr than ever over a lot of content

tangtang seems to do more for yvonne than lr at a glance

its possible that yvonne becomes just universally better come 1.1 but we can't say for sure

it's also worth noting that yvonne teams have a higher cost of 2-3 limited units, potentially 2-3 limited unit sigs as well

compared to last rite who is 1 standard, potentially 1-2 more limited and 1 standard sig, potentially 1-2 more limited sig (but likely to fall on the lower end)

[main nova]

oh look its my physical team

[terse valley]

ive been thinking about this, why not wulfgard instead of antal

wulfgard is sp-free combustion after gilberta bskill

gilberta bs > wulfgard combo > gilberta combo > ake bs > rossi combo

also wulfgard combo cooldown matches with gilberta's

but again with this team idk what to do with rossi ult heat infliction

well ig u can refresh combustion from gilberta ult nature infliction

[dawn patrol]

shuo do you think rossi/wulf/endmin/ard is viable

[terse valley]

so yeah two teams for rossi for now, a physical focused or a combustion focused
dunno which ones better until we know the numbers

[drifting quest]

define viable

[dawn patrol]

not abysmal dogshit

not something i burnt horribly trying to cook

[drifting quest]

define abysmal dogshit

[dawn patrol]

functions on a basic level as a team

[next helm]

Does the team work

[drifting quest]

then yes

[next helm]

Or is it yvonne without gilberta bad

[drifting quest]

it will clear

same way yvonne can clear without gilberta

[dawn patrol]

i['m still iffy about it bc there's no real source of vuln for crush aside from rossi bs

[next helm]

Is Rossi cooked without Gilb?

[dawn patrol]

nad well just rossi in general

[terse valley]

combustion is only applicable from wulfgard ult here

[dawn patrol]

kinda!

[drifting quest]

only in the scope of tc minmax

[dawn patrol]

i only really care about combustion being up for her ult anyway

which it should be if he's running ult gain

who would you even swap out for a rossi hypercarry, endmin for ake link bot? assuming no gilb

[terse valley]

looks okay i think?

[drifting quest]

ake, perlica, antal

all could work

depends on her numbers and how ult is coded

[next helm]

I feel like ardelia will be good enough

But irl friend is really worried about the combustion and combo

[dawn patrol]

i feel like ake is a good choice considering the extra sp cost from proccing ard susc

[dawn patrol]

it's kinda chopped without gilb but it's probably manageable

we'll have to wait and see

[drifting quest]

1. Do you care about minmax fastest clear time stuff or are you giga paranoid about content getting harder?
   no? then it doesnt matter she will clear all trims

same logic as always

[dawn patrol]

i'm just worried she'll feel bad to pilot without gilb is the main thing

[next helm]

He is just worried that gilb applies 1 vuln and something other than heat

[drifting quest]

impossible to talk about how she feels to play

until she releases

[dawn patrol]

true

gotta wait until the 12th ig

[terse valley]

we need to know her combustion bonus numbers to know which side she belongs

which part of her kit benefits from combustion anyway? is it just her ult?

[green acorn]

Talent 2, does more damage + heal if the target is combusted

[terse valley]

with any skill?

[dawn patrol]

yes but realistically ult is the biggest part of her dmg

[green acorn]

Crit hits when they have the bleed from talen 1 on them

[dawn patrol]

i mean we don't know her dmg distribution yet

her bleed could be big or it could be nothing

[proud vector]

Get vuln
Rossi ult for heat
Rossi CS seq1
Endmin BS crush
Rossi CS seq2 for 2 vulns

Rossi EBS vuln 3
Rossi EBS vuln 4

Pray enough energy for Rossi ult > Rossi CS seq 1
Endmin BS Crush
Rossi CS seq 2

Repeat

easy 2 op basic cell to add onto

[icy remnant]

Have we got any theoretical rotations for a TangTang Lastrite team yet?
Let’s say based on 15s cooldown

[green acorn]

agreed, though I'm sitll betting on Rossi, Perli, Pog/Ake, Gilb being the default team until an arts based crusher comes along

[terse valley]

i thought you want combustion before ult?

[dawn patrol]

this is saccing that for endmin crush as a 2nd dps

[icy remnant]

Also I just folded and rolled for Khravengger

I’m gonna roll for Tang anyways

[dawn patrol]

if you run rossi hypercarry you definitely want the combust before ult

[proud vector]

yeah add like a Wulf for that or smth, you have 2 free slots

[molten star]

@river scroll can you check?

[terse valley]

dude i love 1 vul stack crush

[proud vector]

like shitty car engine it needs starter lol

Not optimal yet but two free slots and probably flows together well enough to loop after

[terse valley]

Mf just wait until rossi do her seq2 combo before endmin combo+crush

[river scroll]

that looks about right?

[dawn patrol]

it's ok we'll get someone who can apply both arts inflict and vuln soon and then rossi will stop being chopped

[noble tapir]

Potential girl is here!

[terse valley]

what we need is ardelia but with combustion

[noble tapir]

in like a month

[proud vector]

That means you have to have another way to apply the first vuln or else no Rossi enhanced battle skill

So it forces Gilberta or some painful shit

[dawn patrol]

i'm just going to run rossi hypercarry and not bother with a crusher

[proud vector]

And why Rossi EBS? Energy generation for her personally so she can ult without as much energy investment

[noble tapir]

It's amazing how much better rossi would be if she applied one heat one vuln instead of two vuln

[terse valley]

just... press endmin combo+crush after rossi ebs

[proud vector]

Hopefully

[river scroll]

did you use consumable buff before?

[noble tapir]

at least in theory

[molten star]

I'm doing less dmg than previously before m3 xaihi

[molten star]

Nope

[proud vector]

what for the first one so you only get 1 EBS which ducks the energy?

[river scroll]

is it because the last one crit? honestly i don't see anything wrong

[molten star]

Someone pointed out a debuff expired before the combo hit

[proud vector]

I guess you can overcap a vuln

[dawn patrol]

i feel like the most chopped part of running hypercarry rossi is actually getting her first vuln

[river scroll]

i don't see any debuff expired, all seems in there

[terse valley]

...oh we're already assuming her ult is 240 energy or something?

[proud vector]

Anyways the start of that cycle is a bit fucked but it should flow naturally from there on

[proud vector]

goddamn

Eh idk, maybe?

[dawn patrol]

we think it's like 100-120

worst case like 240 yeah but we just dunno

[noble tapir]

They said most of her damage is tied to her ulti right?

[terse valley]

I wouldn't take the dev words to heart

[dawn patrol]

again until we have numbers we're just Feelscrafting™

[noble tapir]

Not like we can do anything else lol

[dawn patrol]

gotta wait until the 12th unfortunately

[terse valley]

level designer

[dawn patrol]

i mean i assume they weren't just talking out of their ass

bc that would be

weird but also fucked up

[drifting quest]

we can 'guess' combo skill cooldowns and ult costs

by looking at the visuals in the video

[molten star]

@river scroll the 4th debuff expired before the combo hit

[drifting quest]

people will complain we dont know gear but like we can compare to how videos for current units were to look at some baselines and we can account for both frontiers and uge gear

[terse valley]

rightt i was skeptical of this rua guy after doing last rite ult BEFORE her combo consuming cryo infliction

[dawn patrol]

shuo how much are we expecting for rossi ult again, is it 100-120, 240 high end?

[molten star]

What is that debuff?

[drifting quest]

i havent gotten to rossi's yet

but 100-120 sounds roughly right

still on tangtang's page

[proud vector]

It’s around
100 total? Arbitrary total, everything else is a rough percentage
12? for each combo seq for 24~
6.5 for bs seq1 and what 10? For seq2? Hard to tell. ~ 16.5 per EBS.

So it would take 4 EBS 2 combo skill maybe without energy gear?

something along those lines I guess?

[dawn patrol]

let's not forget team skills either

[drifting quest]

rossi having extra energy conditionals makes some predictions rougher

but we do see them without the conditions

[proud vector]

Once we start going above 3 skills every ~18 seconds we are running into SP ouchie oofies

not looking good

[dawn patrol]

akekuri will save you

[proud vector]

Unironically applies a heat infliction to help with the gap halfway through the rotation and link for ult

Based

but yeah she needs to hog that EBS sp huh?

Well, maybe not hog it as much as presented but

[icy remnant]

Looking at Last Rite energy refund and Tang Tang energy refund

We’re just brute forcing not needing vanguards now

[proud vector]

That’s the cyro way

Superconducting time bitcheaaaaz

[icy remnant]

Alesh thrown to the stables

Cus he’s a guy

Not allowed to be good

[proud vector]

your machines work more efficiently if you can cool them to absolute zero’

The power of cyro industries is strong

[icy remnant]

But yea I caved and rolled Khraven

I’m gonna be rolling for TangTang to use w LR anyways

[proud vector]

Oh the goblin mask spoke and you answered

[icy remnant]

[proud vector]

Joking aside it’s good for LR

[icy remnant]

Worst case scenario I’ll use TT battle pass

[proud vector]

One of the better uses of Arsenal tickets if you like the LR team

[icy remnant]

Eh I never played her

[proud vector]

Oh….

[icy remnant]

Phys team is my main

[proud vector]

the goblin mask won

L

[river ermine]

pulling just for the love of the game

[icy remnant]

I’m gonna play her

Next patch

[river scroll]

Combo skill Stress Testing improved: Hitting an enemy with Cryo Infliction or Solidification also causes the enemy to take Cryo DMG Dealt +7/10% for 5s. This effect cannot stack.

Xaihi skill

[icy remnant]

TangTang Last rite new team

Laev built
Phys built
Cryo next

[molten star]

That expired before the combo hit. Do you know how to prevent that?

[river scroll]

use Xaihi Combo skill as close as possible to the LR combo skill I think... because yeah... 5 seconds window seems very small...

[dawn patrol]

32 until guaranteed 6*

do i edge the 5 pulls on tangtang banner

[icy remnant]

You don’t want TT?

[dawn patrol]

nah i just wanna p5p5 rossi so i'm tryna save as much as humanly possible

[icy remnant]

30 is the perfect spot to be when you start the banner you want

You don’t want the pity counter too high

[dawn patrol]

tangtang is cool but like blegh

[icy remnant]

Or you lose effective number of 6 stars

[dawn patrol]

i'm just worried i'll accidentally pop a 6*

might have to kms if that happens

[icy remnant]

Regardless you don’t want to spend random rolls on any banners now

32 is already too high since we will have 5 free tickets

40 is pushing it

[dawn patrol]

no i'm not even like

32 in

i'm 32 from a guaranteed 6*

which means i'm like 48 pulls in

[rare zodiac]

Same same

[icy remnant]

Oh you’re cooked cooked

[rare zodiac]

Pretty much cooked

[dawn patrol]

ig i shouldn't edge it on tangtang banner huh

[elfin smelt]

that might be 5 tangtangs you're gonna get

[icy remnant]

Too many rolls spent on random banners

[dawn patrol]

it's just from like

tickets for gilb and yvonne + some pity back when i was pulling laev

[icy remnant]

But yea ideal scenario is you start the banner you want with 30-40 rolls into the 80 pity

[icy remnant]

10+10=20

How did you get to 48

[dawn patrol]

laev

[icy remnant]

[dawn patrol]

i regret pulling so much on laev ngl

should've gotten gilb

[fathom spear]

u got fomo or what ?

[dawn patrol]

nah i just thought to invest in laev as much as possible so i never have to invest in another team

[icy remnant]

Well you don’t have to