theorycrafting

[dawn patrol]

rossi 5000% ult scale 🔥

[lyric latch]

there is a possibility that Tangtang will give the team ATK from her sig effect given what we see from the footage.

[drifting quest]

It would be so over

[proud vector]

Thermite deto unit finally baby’

[wanton notch]

Somehow gonna be less useful than Ember /j

[proud vector]

Flourite BIS

[normal tangle]

it's gonna be some stupid trigger condition

[dawn patrol]

honestly i'm kinda baffled at rossi's design idk what hg was thinking

[mortal trellis]

dw our sustained income is also good, i've spent more time than i'd like to admit doing calculations for our pull income

[normal tangle]

+atk% for 10s when wearer immobilizes enemies

[wanton notch]

Do a plunge attack when standing on a whirlpool or smth

[potent hornet]

i'm calling it that her weapon is gonna give team cryo dmg on her 3rd line

[proud vector]

They wanted her to work with Wulfguard and Endmin no matter what

This is what you get when you force that haha

[wanton notch]

And she doesn't really work with either of them now

[dawn patrol]

legitimately she just doesn't have a proper place in the current meta so i really wonder what the design philosophy for her was supposed to be

[lyric latch]

the trigger for Tangtang sig seens to be Final Attack on enemy with Cryo Infliction

[feral fractal]

always bet on rossi

[normal tangle]

i don't think this is likely

she's a caster, not a frontline unit

[wanton notch]

Wait for future Heat/Physical hybrid

[proud vector]

The capo will carve her own slice of the meta through strength or die in a ditch

As is the tradition of the pack

[normal tangle]

i don't think they'll make you on-field tangtang

[wanton notch]

Perlicia

[normal tangle]

what does she have to do with this

[dawn patrol]

see i'm thinking maybe they'll just give rossi massive numbers and when she finally gets a dedicated support she'll be meta defining

[lyric latch]

its wierd to think but thats what happens everytime she final attacks an enemy with cryo on the showcase

[dawn patrol]

[river ermine]

in all fairness, just look at yvonne

3 limited in a row and its all her and her teammate

[normal tangle]

i don't want to

[wanton notch]

She is a caster that have combo trigger from Final Strike

[bronze plume]

thats the problem with brand new games when trying to intoduce a new kinda of playstyle into it in this case heat/phys hybrid that at the start due to nobody actually going into it well its rough

[lyric latch]

she actually gains Cryo DMG buff when she applies cryo but only for herself lmao

[proud vector]

.gyatt

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470559890274783234/7gnlhrm4cbee1.png?ex=698bbd1f&is=698a6b9f&hm=3f3ec04d775ce42e3a42e5f8868b92346512b746970e941d537553f53b8baf89&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=720

[bronze plume]

its just a shame we dont get like a 5 star in 1.1 that goes with it to at least help rossi

[normal tangle]

combo skill trigger and weapon effect trigger are very different

[proud vector]

This is good enough reason to look at Yvonne

[normal tangle]

combo skill is fs from anyone in team, weapon is fs from specifically the wielder

[feral fractal]

they release a 6 star pack member that conveniently does art inflictions and consumes vuln stacks for higher damage

[dawn patrol]

they should make an ake alter that applies both vuln and heat on bs

[proud vector]

Wulf alter! My god

[dawn patrol]

🗣️🔥

[bronze plume]

nah its gotta be wulf bro

wulfgard alter call him

french dog

Wulfgard the French Dog

better yet

[proud vector]

Ake alter would go so hard
She deserves it

[bronze plume]

idk but i might be some kinda

[potent hornet]

so like the real funny part is that LR doesn't actually need cryo supports

[bronze plume]

1000k iq guy with this one

ardelia alter

call her

Ardelia the hvit aska

thoughts?

[potent hornet]

she just needs a team that can stack 3-4 of any infliction fast and efficiently

[normal tangle]

nobody know what that shit mean

[dawn patrol]

you should run hg

[bronze plume]

i already do

im john endfield

john hypergryph even

[paper sand]

is the atk boost from stats linear?

[dawn patrol]

it sucks that like

[wanton notch]

I don't think it matters in devs eyes. I don't see any coherent team or unique trigger conditions much between weapons

[normal tangle]

?

do you see any weapon condition trigger being "when any operator on the team performs x"

[dawn patrol]

yeah idk i just don't think rossi has a proper team rn

[normal tangle]

it's always the wielder

[dawn patrol]

where everyone synergises

except for one with gilb but i'm going to pretend she doesn't exist

[proud vector]

Basically she synergies with Wulf and endmin and gilb, but that’s not a pretty picture so you are all ignoring it LOL

Hybrid teams go hybrid

[wanton notch]

Oh, you meant that way lmao.
It kinda looked to me that you were just discussing final strike as passive on weapon overall

[dawn patrol]

the fact that she needs a past limited unit pisses me off so i'm just going to pretend that's not true

[proud vector]

it is kinda sad yeah

[dawn patrol]

just gotta wait a year for gilb rerun ig

[wanton notch]

I can cook her into shatter team

[neon cave]

why is gilb so good for rossi?

[river ermine]

im ngl thinking about this the play kinda goes smooth, your dmg wont be though

[bronze plume]

just get her on tangtang banner

[wanton notch]

She have both Arts Infliction and Vulnerability

[proud vector]

Pretty much

[dawn patrol]

applies vuln on arts inflict (free) and on ult which also just gives a shit ton of susc

[normal tangle]

vuln+infliction

and also arts susc

[bronze plume]

she does both the things rossi wants basically

and more

[dawn patrol]

i'm not pulling on tangtang i need to p5p5 rossi 💔

[bronze plume]

have you heard of this thing called

a casino

just go there gamble and win

then gamble in ef and win

ez

[gritty olive]

yes

[proud vector]

.leak

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1406921241389961247/artworks-OcZ9DuwfBuSjNSy0-THYYuQ-t500x500.png

[bronze plume]

they call me a genius i know

[normal tangle]

just pull on yvonne banner and hope to offbanner gilb

[dawn patrol]

i'd rather wait for gilb rerun

see you all in a year or so

[bronze plume]

just do what i did

get gib on laev banner

just pull on laev banner rn

[dawn patrol]

i fucking wish i did atp

[normal tangle]

i got yvonne on laeva banner

bricked account

[bronze plume]

i got laev on laev banner (shock i know)
gib on laev banner
yvonne on gib banner

[normal tangle]

why was bro pulling on gilb banner when you already had her

[dawn patrol]

it's ok p5p5 rossi will whale gap the lack of gilb

:clueful:

[bronze plume]

why is bro asking me a obv question

she cute and i have a gambling addiction

[river ermine]

p2 is good tbf

like really good

[dawn patrol]

fuckkkkkk someone give me a thousand bucks so i can pull for gilb rn

[bronze plume]

what do i get in return

[normal tangle]

vro what do i use 1190 sanity on

i'm not building any teams rn

[proud vector]

At least wait for Tang2 banner

[dawn patrol]

i'll legit bark for u

or whatever

[proud vector]

Credits I guess

[bronze plume]

i have a wife i can pay for that

[bitter cove]

new ops element alrd revealed?
i haven't watch the vid

[dawn patrol]

can i just owe u 1k

i'll pay it back over time

[feral fractal]

imagine not getting gilb

[normal tangle]

[bronze plume]

m12 ardelia

[proud vector]

Build a team I guess LOL

[dawn patrol]

tbf that'd be the smart thing to do if i had 1k to blow on this game

ion even have money for food rn so that's a bit out there

[normal tangle]

i have laeva team built already, no other team interests me rn

[proud vector]

Jeez what

[normal tangle]

maybe build yvonne for tang^2

idk

[normal tangle]

brother

you can afford to save a little

[proud vector]

I can’t understand no savings oof

[dawn patrol]

oh no way since i have 2 cents in savings i have 9 full dollars

[dawn patrol]

gifted

[normal tangle]

"i can't even afford food" and this mf has nitro platinum

alright man

rolling up to a food bank in a mercedes benz

[dawn patrol]

mf i said it was gifted

[bronze plume]

tell them to stop gifting you nitro plat and gift you mcdonalds

[dawn patrol]

hell no

i'm not going to dox myself like that 💔

[bronze plume]

i would if i didnt have food

what are they going to do steal my money

[dawn patrol]

i would just starve lowk

[proud vector]

A person that has proper starved would never say that tbh

[dawn patrol]

i mean tbf you could get swatted which is maybe a bit worse

[proud vector]

[normal tangle]

you're telling me this guy has been gifting you nitro every month straight for 1.5y?

[neat snow]

simp

[dawn patrol]

no

i got gifted yearly for 2 years in a row lmao

different friend but still

[normal tangle]

the power of she/her pronouns i guess

[feral fractal]

i should start my e-girl arc and get free pulls

[bronze plume]

^

[wanton notch]

https://fixupx.com/SMeu_channel/status/2028086622122811839

Wulfguard chilling here

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FixupX · Mar 1, 2026, 12:35 PM

[proud vector]

The Vtuber is all the rage nowdays

[dawn patrol]

we're all women

[odd wren]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSmcmCCEx/
Interesting

[normal tangle]

virus link

[proud vector]

Yes they shagged, next!

[edgy crater]

if its Beethoven virus, ill download it

[normal tangle]

rossi ult did like 3x dapan crush damage there

am i trippin

[dawn patrol]

i also can't afford to try for offbanner gilb bc i want to p5p5 rossi 💔

[normal tangle]

is their dapan built like shit or are these numbers insane

[main nova]

Rossi is vanguard right

[normal tangle]

no

[dawn patrol]

guard

[normal tangle]

vuln stacker

[bronze plume]

shes physical sword guard

[quaint matrix]

Rossi is small ember

[main nova]

oh yeah a guard

[feral fractal]

so what is the conjecture on rossina wulfperl luppino, prima elite of the pack

[normal tangle]

and just as useless 🔥

[main nova]

same as chen and mc

[dawn patrol]

she kinda sucks

[main nova]

so replace either of those

does she lift?

[normal tangle]

she replaces neither

she has to go in a hybrid phys/arts comp

[dawn patrol]

not nearly as well as chen but yeah

[normal tangle]

but one does not exist currently

so she just sucks

it's rossi, gilb, and then two other unknown units

[dawn patrol]

i mean she can apply 2 lift for 100sp so there's that

[proud vector]

Oh that is a bit weird huh?

[dawn patrol]

but so can chen so lmao

[normal tangle]

chen but worse

[main nova]

okay, so she lift and recover sp, i will replace chen with her then

[normal tangle]

she does not recover sp

[wanton notch]

Well, problem there's that Chen does lift for free

[dawn patrol]

chen ult dmg is pretty significant in a phys team so maybe don't

[bronze plume]

she does not replace anyone in a physical team

[lyric latch]

combo twice in a row. bro never played Arclight

[normal tangle]

i think tangtang recovers sp? or does she refund? idk

[bronze plume]

she uses her own heat/phys new shii

[feral fractal]

rossi wulfgard endmin gilberta. would this work

[main nova]

rossi has heat?

[bronze plume]

her ult is heat and she buffs heat dmg

[main nova]

now thats interesting

[lyric latch]

probably refund similar to LR

[normal tangle]

that's the team they used in the demo i'm pretty sure

[main nova]

I dont use pog phys, I use MC Gil Chen and Perlica

[bronze plume]

that is in fact 1 of the teams they use

[feral fractal]

ok so what if you like put rossi in laevatain team: laevatain rossi akekueri ardelia

[bronze plume]

dont

[normal tangle]

rossi actively hinders everyone else there

[bronze plume]

rossi is her own thing

[edgy crater]

nah, its with dapan

[bronze plume]

she doesnt fit into a mono heat or phys team

you combine both to make her useable

[normal tangle]

other one

[main nova]

Heat is as easy as it get as a team, same as freeze, so I play around with phys the most

[bronze plume]

thats the 2nd team

[dawn patrol]

just play laev team but with rossi instead gg

[bronze plume]

shes just worse then wulf in a laev team

[normal tangle]

she would benefit a lot from like a 5* unit that synergizes at least a little bit with her

[main nova]

so rossi is a heat team?

[dawn patrol]

hell no

[main nova]

this is confusing

[normal tangle]

vro read her kit 💔

[bronze plume]

for the 3rd time

[normal tangle]

she converts arts inflictions into vuln

[bronze plume]

rossi uses her own team

[main nova]

but we theorycrafting

[dawn patrol]

i'm just saying you can run rossi wulf ake ard if you don't have gilb like me

[normal tangle]

she wants a hybrid

[bronze plume]

thats heat and physical

[steel hedge]

Who do i replace in my Yvonne team for tang tang?
my tean is Yvonne,xaihi,gilberta,alesh

[warm galleon]

Alesh

[dawn patrol]

goodbye alesh

[warm galleon]

[glass wind]

Whats the duration of Akekurin's Ultimate? I want to know how long is the Link buff gonna last

[steel hedge]

oh got it tyty

[dawn patrol]

link lasts until next bs or ult

[bronze plume]

link is permanent until used

[main nova]

Ember then

[bronze plume]

maybe dont add a bad character to a bad character

[dawn patrol]

just get out of the kitchen

[main nova]

[glass wind]

Oh does that mean its just 1 buff per teamate?

[main nova]

MC, Ember, Gil, Wulf?

[edgy crater]

[main nova]

then replace MC with rossie?

[dawn patrol]

link consumed by next battle skill or ult

[dawn patrol]

why would ember be there

[bronze plume]

@glass wind

[main nova]

isnt she can apply both heat and phys?

[normal tangle]

do you even know what she does dude

[bronze plume]

much wow

[odd wren]

Lmao

[normal tangle]

go watch the video

[dawn patrol]

gilb already applies vuln and wulf already applies heat

why would ember be there

[river scroll]

her whole dmg is mostly heat, but she can stack vuln

[main nova]

true

[normal tangle]

hypergryph seems to really like the gilb+wulfgard combo

second time they've showcased it

[dawn patrol]

rossi hypercarry dreams found shot dead behind 7/11

[normal tangle]

surely aoe combustion consumer coming eventually

[glass wind]

Her P5 says Link Buff Persists for 5s so idk.

[dawn patrol]

laev for cs

[dawn patrol]

it's the atk buff that persists for 5s after ult ends

link stays until used

[river scroll]

Lae is Rossi support trust

[normal tangle]

wait true

[dawn patrol]

how is that true

what are you smoking

[normal tangle]

i just be typing shit

[main nova]

maybe, but Lae team is just as consistent as it is for now

[bronze plume]

yall need to get tf outta the kitchen icl

[normal tangle]

she force applies combustion for rossi

fr

[wanton notch]

I mean, it's sounds dope. Combustion in AoE after a pull is a feelsgood thing. Not sure about damage tho

[dawn patrol]

rossi doesn't even gaf about combustion

[normal tangle]

her ult gets boosted when enemies have combustion

[proud vector]

False

[glass wind]

Just need the opposite version for Rossi.
Vulnerability turning into Infliction vice versa

[proud vector]

False technically

[normal tangle]

?

[dawn patrol]

ok and in what world is that worth proccing the force combustion on laev for

atp

just use laev

[proud vector]

Not just her ult, you can see talent 2 visibly trigger on battle skill too

[dawn patrol]

also wulf is literally right there

[north widget]

Doesn't rossi fitting into physical/heat team depend on her damage distribution? If it's more physical she can make use of breach, otherwise she can make use of heat team's arts damage taken and susceptibility (gilberta in the heat team instead of ardelia)

[normal tangle]

laeva wulf rossi 🔥

throw in ember for no reason at all

W comp

[main nova]

anything that touch physical seems become a debate

[bronze plume]

she wont fit into either well with her kit ignoring numbers

[warm galleon]

Rossi is Gilb's support

[bronze plume]

she consumes arts infliction which makes her null for laev

[normal tangle]

she's like 80% heat dmg

however, her phys dot also benefits from +heat dmg boosts

[glass wind]

Rossi eats lava cake.

[normal tangle]

honestly no idea why that phys dot is there

it doesn't look like it did any dmg either

[north widget]

She could consume gilb's nature infliction which is plus for laevatein since that's one less wasted heat infliction triggering combustion

[proud vector]

False, technically I guess. The trigger for her second combo skill allows her to let Laev consume first and still have combo skill ready. We don’t know behaviour of her skill if not vuln to consume

[dawn patrol]

that's what i'm saying

what were they cooking

[bronze plume]

hear me out

dont run gib in laev

ez

[main nova]

Imagine, rossi in electric team

[north widget]

Ardelia goes against my principles

[bronze plume]

she doesnt generate enuf heat infliction to be worth it

[glass wind]

You can.

[normal tangle]

new unit that gets buffed by the amount of dots on the enemy so you can stack combustion+that

[bronze plume]

she consumes arts inflictions

which is literally laevs main thing

for her to work in laev youd need to do something like

[main nova]

Laev team is already consistent as it is, I dont think we should touch that

[bronze plume]

laev, rossi, gib, flex

[glass wind]

Endmin, Rossi, Perlica and Archlight.

[normal tangle]

?

what the hell is that even gonna do man

[main nova]

And Akekuri is best doggo

[dawn patrol]

can't wait to p5p5 rossi and have her perform at like 50% of laev

[bronze plume]

maybe her pots are cranked

[river scroll]

Gilb bs > Antal bs > give some delay > Ake bs > another delay > Antal cs > Gilb cs > Rossi cs > waiting for sp > Antal ult > Rossi bs > Gilb ult > Ake ult > Rossi ult

[main nova]

[dawn patrol]

true actually i'm hoping her pots save her

[glass wind]

Electrification will boost Rossi's Ult dmg. 👍

[bronze plume]

im not

[river scroll]

dunno what I'm cooking. also this team dead after 1 rot 💀

[normal tangle]

how about you hope for food on your table buddy

[bronze plume]

im just hoping down the line 1.3 at latest we get at least 1 op that supports her

[main nova]

locked behind pot, what we r, Genshin?

[bronze plume]

i do not want another gacha that relies on pots

what are we hoyoverse

[dawn patrol]

man fuck you i got food in the fridge

[glass wind]

Shes a Shiba inu. I can hear her talk in Japanese sometimes.

[dawn patrol]

it's fine if it's an abysmal dogshit char imo

[river scroll]

so far we have copy quite amount of hoyo sht yeah

[bronze plume]

all we need is supports that help her

[normal tangle]

you mean dps

she is a guard, she needs a striker

[bronze plume]

the problem with bringing in a new character for a "new" archetype is no one to help

[dawn patrol]

can't wait for the limited support that'll make her actually function what are we hoyoverse

[bronze plume]

dps support healer defender idc

[normal tangle]

then again, i guess endmin is a guard for no reason

[main nova]

each team need a mascot, Pengmin phys, heat doggo akekuri, ice cannibal Last Rite, Nature Dolly

[dawn patrol]

5000% ult scale on rossi trust

[glass wind]

Endmin is Nuke Sub DPS

[bronze plume]

thios server doesnt have a :clueless" emote but pretend im using one

[normal tangle]

which one do you want

? ? ?

[dawn patrol]

[bronze plume]

why in tf is one a cup and one a bed

[normal tangle]

aura

[bronze plume]

its that your irl bed sheet

thats hard

[dawn patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-called-aura-bruh-smell-stench-unfettered-ass-gif-12449823681038660625

[normal tangle]

dude i wish it was

[steel hedge]

how much int you guys got with only 2 pc frontiers?

[main nova]

what if Rossie with the other Heat, Akekuri, Wulf and Lizard(forgot that dude name)

[steel hedge]

for xaihi

[dawn patrol]

should've just made rossi a heat striker instead of whatever hybrid bullshit we're getting

[bronze plume]

thats just worse laev team

[main nova]

[dawn patrol]

tbf that's pretty much all rossi teams rn

none of her teams are optimal

[bronze plume]

true

[normal tangle]

i would get rossi because a hybrid team sounds interesting

[main nova]

god dang it

[warm galleon]

Just p5p5 Rossi and you'll clear

[normal tangle]

however, i don't have gilb, and my ass is not pulling 3 limited for 1 team

[dawn patrol]

i would p5p5 rossi bc she's my goat

even if she's abysmal dogshit

[main nova]

basically anything that giberta touch become hybird anyway

[normal tangle]

they should've at least released a 5/4* as a halfway synergy

[main nova]

[bronze plume]

shes not a goat tho

[normal tangle]

what is she

fox?

[dawn patrol]

she's not a goat but she's certainly my goat

[dawn patrol]

i think so yeah

[bronze plume]

lupos are foxes yes

[peak void]

arent those vulpo

[proud vector]

Wulf

[normal tangle]

nerd alert

[proud vector]

Wolf

[bronze plume]

thats like the basics of basics of ak lore

[bronze plume]

wolf fox

tomato tomatoe

dog cat thing

[proud vector]

Spice and wolf not spice and fox

[bronze plume]

cat dog thing

[ashen scroll]

calling other people nerd when you are talking in gacha discord is insane

[bronze plume]

shut up nerd

[normal tangle]

[potent hornet]

i may roll a 2nd account to focus dump everything to getting a TangTang as many dupes as possible

[ashen scroll]

Oripathy for you and your sheep

[main nova]

might as well wait for laev rerun, and got spooked by more rate off

[normal tangle]

blue ass apple

is this rossi's version of alesh's golden fish

new rng unit

[dawn patrol]

she's crit so pretty much

[proud vector]

^^^ lmao

[normal tangle]

don't worry p5 will give her 100% crit chance

[potent hornet]

well her weapon is crit yea?

did any of her skills say anything about crit dmg?

[normal tangle]

she has special effects if she crits with ult

iirc

[bronze plume]

ult has crit mentioned

[potent hornet]

but no crit dmg like yvonne ult

[normal tangle]

we don't know that much i think

no numbers

we only know like the absolute basics

[dusky maple]

Her entire skills has something with crit

[river scroll]

how long does arts infliction last?

[normal tangle]

20s

[potent hornet]

interesting way to use crit

[river scroll]

ok thx

[potent hornet]

but that is a good indicator that we might get some crit dmg gear

[normal tangle]

i don't think it is, but alright

[potent hornet]

well think about it

[normal tangle]

i don't want to

[main nova]

more crit usually good, but in this game is weird

[potent hornet]

we have a character coming out that has crit tied into all her stuff but no sources of crit dmg.

[peak void]

her kit does increased crit dmg

[potent hornet]

this would be the perfect time to add crit dmg gear

[dawn patrol]

hi qyurii

[ashen scroll]

crit slop is okay to not exist

[peak void]

hi eva 👋

[dawn patrol]

paypal me 30000 dollars

[main nova]

[peak void]

brah arent u the one 5-5ing rossi between us

if anyone is capable of paypaling 30k its

[dawn patrol]

that's what i need the 30000 dollars for

[peak void]

wtfaaaahh

[neon cave]

Imagine the numbers foe calculating phys rossi, heat rossi, crit rossi, hybrid rossi, ult rossi, talent rossi

I must ready my spreadsheets

[main nova]

anything that touch Physical become complicated

[glass wind]

Physical just needs ATKs. Dont need some fancy stat buffs

[neon cave]

Physical considers stagger too

[main nova]

I dont see much debate about tangtang

[dusky maple]

mono physical is easy, just breach and crush
it's when arts and physical are both needed when it's starting to get fancy

[main nova]

oh yeah she is freeze

[ashen scroll]

nobody should care about stagger if theyre not doing TA

[main nova]

l

[glass wind]

Akekuri loves Stagger

[normal tangle]

who even is that

[ashen scroll]

miniscule sp for once in a bluemoon when you can just use her ult

[main nova]

I will name my Phys a fancy team

since gilberta was there

[glass wind]

Akekuri's Energy cos for her ult is 120

[valid palm]

I'm hoping that I can replace Alesh with Tangtang in Yvonne comps, but I'm worried that Xaihi or even Gilb will be more replaceable

[dawn patrol]

yeah bc she's not abysmal dogshit the way rossi is

[main nova]

[ashen scroll]

lets say , people pick ultimate gain more than CS cooldown reduction more for a reason

on ake

~_~

[main nova]

I cant replace Gil in my phys comp coz she is really cute, must keep the mascot

[glass wind]

How dare you insult my child

[normal tangle]

those are literally the least replaceable units

[valid palm]

Her SP refund looks sizeable enough that replacing Alesh might still function, but it being a refund instead of recover will definitely raise the team's ultimate gain requirements

[normal tangle]

you're not replacing 30% arts susc and like 50% amp with slightly better cryo application

[valid palm]

Strength-wise maybe but function-wise not at all

[river scroll]

anyone know how much sp does combo skill, battle skill, and dodge give?

[normal tangle]

on who

[river scroll]

assuming none of the skill give any sp on the description

[valid palm]

Tangtang has a lot of overlap function-wise with Xaihi/Gilb so it depends on how reliant the team ends up being on Alesh's SP gen

[normal tangle]

battle -100
combo +/- 0
dodge +~5

dodge technically gives 7.5 but it pauses natural regen

so it's not a full 7.5 profit

[river scroll]

damn... ok thx

[near robin]

How long does Yvonne's ult take without any interruption?

[valid palm]

Dodge gives 1 second of SP, but the time stop pauses 7/12th seconds of regen, so it's a net gain of 5/12th seconds

[normal tangle]

7s

[river scroll]

how many sp regen per seconds?

[valid palm]

7.69 and some change

[normal tangle]

8? i think

[potent hornet]

7.5 with the context clue available

[river scroll]

ok thx everyone

[near robin]

So I'll need to pop Yvonne's ult for 4-5 seconds then I'll pop Tantang's so I can plunge

[valid palm]

Or 1/13 * 100

because you get 100 SP per 13 seconds

[hollow wyvern]

Did anyone figure out tangtang ult cost and combo cool down

[normal tangle]

we have no way of knowing ult cost

combo cooldown seems rather short

[valid palm]

So the net gain of SP is like 3.2 after factoring in the time stop

[dry kindle]

Pipebomb

[valid palm]

So cool

[icy remnant]

Generating sp with dodge spam is so funny

[dawn patrol]

i wonder what happens if i

[valid palm]

💥

[icy remnant]

When rhodagn does the flamethrower and you just sit there in the fire mashing dodge

Totally intended gameplay

I’m totally dodging the fire

[valid palm]

You don't even need to sit there in the fire. If you get hit by one tick of it, you can actually dodge spam you burning

[hollow wyvern]

I thought ppl got an approximation of Rossi cost already tho?

[dry kindle]

Cn autism probably frame counted it already

[icy remnant]

We got racist autism now?

[valid palm]

"How are you dodging that you are literally on fire"

"Animation cancel the heat and parry the pain"

[gritty olive]

more like a different kind of autism

theres more incentive to one up other people in CN than in global

[proud vector]

Lots of assumptions with this

[icy remnant]

Rossi being released sets a lot of precedent for mixed element kits in the future which I like

Going weird and wacky with design choices is a lot better than turning the damage number nob up

[valid palm]

That already kind of existed with Shatter, but yeah I'm glad that they're branching it out to other elements too besides just Physical + Cryo

[river scroll]

guys did I cook good?

near 3 sp bar > Gilb bs > wait near 3 sp bar > Antal bs > Ake bs > Antal cs > Gilb cs > Rossi cs > Antal ult > Rossi bs > Gilb ult > Ake ult > Rossi ult

[dry kindle]

I don't ever see en players frame counting streams

[summer flower]

I will put next suggestion box, so they completely obsufcate DMG numbers from operator when doing showcase

[digital nova]

umm… guys?

[dry kindle]

HP bar exists

[summer flower]

Wouldn't that be enough to dissuade? Maybe also enemies level then and operator level?

[potent hornet]

you underestimate the drive of people that live on spreadsheets

[summer flower]

Cause this first showcase without numbers

[tight haven]

just 2 more weeks of farming and im done my phys team holy fucking lord

[summer flower]

And claims about knowing how good DMG is gonna be

[valid palm]

Rell, I don't think you understand.

[tight haven]

so expensive

[valid palm]

These people have literally nothing better to do with their time

If there's a will, there's a way

[dawn patrol]

only 4 weeks before i can p5p5 a bad unit, can't wait

[summer flower]

Infinte hp, no DMG numbers

There won't be a way, then showcase with numbers after numbers are showed

[mortal trellis]

speculation can be done well, just take it with a grain of salt

[potent hornet]

we will probably get more info next weekend

[mortal trellis]

🧘‍♂️

[normal tangle]

there is +crit dmg in her kit

it's not in one line but he says "are increased" right after

[potent hornet]

yea i found that a bit ago, its the only one that says anything about crit dmg tho

[valid palm]

With how aggressively anti-leak Gryphline is, I wonder if they're risking a Creator Server like other games do so guide makers can get knowledge/footage on banner release

[proud vector]

Terrible idea usually

[quaint matrix]

You do Chen Lifeng pog endmin?

[tight haven]

yes

[potent hornet]

i'm just saying with another crit character to mainline this would be the time to add crit dmg gear

[heady pine]

Guess endmin is staying till 1.4

[valid palm]

Because I 110% understand them being much more hardline against leaks than other games, but I lowkey feel like creators not having the wave of guide spam on release is going to hurt their bottom line some, no?

[normal tangle]

they already have a creator server

[icy remnant]

I see spam regardless bro

[proud vector]

Guide spam is usually shit anyways

Not a loss in my books

[tight haven]

do they?

i've heard the opposite

[valid palm]

Just a Discord server, or an in-game 'beta' environment for creators to test builds/teams and collect footage?

[potent hornet]

we still don't know endmins p3/p4/p5

[twilit quail]

week 1 guide generally should be discarded

[normal tangle]

yeah some guide creators are like "this footage is from creator server btw"

[gritty olive]

theres no mention

[normal tangle]

maybe i can find a video hold on

[tight haven]

no i mean, for upcoming content

like a beta server

[normal tangle]

oh

no idea

[gritty olive]

if they would be consistent with guobas for example the guide would be up around a week from now

a week before tangtang banner

so we just have to see

[quaint matrix]

Did you max essence for Chen lifeng and endmin? I wanted to invest my phys more but it’s such a resource drain

[gritty olive]

[tight haven]

yeah ig we'll see

[valid palm]

True, but it massively helps visibility and hype amongst the casuals when new units drop. People like us aren't going to get value out of them, but it's objectively true that they help the game's popularity and income

[valid palm]

Perfect, ty ^^

[tight haven]

one max essence from 1/1/1 usually takes me a full week

i need to max two more essences (chen and endmin)

thus, 2 weeks

[proud vector]

Guoba grounds their work in community TC and ideas. A creator only server defeats what makes Guoba’s stuff good

[quaint matrix]

Also Lvl 13 skills are absurdly expensive

[proud vector]

[tight haven]

oh my only m12 op is lifeng

pog is m2 (bs and ult)

[quaint matrix]

And your also fully artificed?

[tight haven]

nah

im not artificing until 1.1

ive stocked 100 catalysts so far

[odd wren]

I think the tournament was done there

[normal tangle]

only?

[odd wren]

I watched kyostintv

[tight haven]

only

[normal tangle]

don’t you get 200 for free

[tight haven]

i wanted to finish lifengs gear

[normal tangle]

oh

[odd wren]

And he said exactly what you said

[tight haven]

finished buying it last week

[icy remnant]

One thing I found is that it’s usually better to hold off etching at all until you farmed the essences needed

That way you can farm and randomly get a 4/1/2 or whatever essence and save a crap ton of sanity

[tight haven]

this is what i usually do yeah

im just saying, if i have to start with 1/1/1 it takes me a week

[icy remnant]

So you just count the essences you have and just not etch at all until you have enough to pity the entire thing

That’s what I did

[tight haven]

(which i had to with laev, because her essence took me a whopping 33 runs with permits)

[valid palm]

Yeah but even Guoba needs to have footage to draw from lol. Without a creator server to access or a beta test server, they have to wait until a day or two after release. Otherwise, even if they manage to know all the numbers and put together an accurate guide before/on release, they're stuck looping the same like 3 minutes of footage sourced from the devlog for the whole video.

[icy remnant]

I was farming the essence for Endmin

Tossed like 3 perfect essences trying to find one with some starting stats

[tight haven]

💔

[icy remnant]

Got a 4/1/1 by the time I had enough to fully upgrade it

[tight haven]

i dont rly care abt fishing for good starting stats

[odd wren]

True

[icy remnant]

Like a hundred essences in total

[tight haven]

it is nice though

but laev completely soured me on doing that already

[odd wren]

My endmin was 1-3-1 first run tho rng bless me

[tight haven]

just took me so unbelievably long to get hers

[odd wren]

[icy remnant]

Well the 1/1/1 is guaranteed now next patch onwards

[tight haven]

yep

[proud vector]

I’ve stated my dislike for immediate guides tbh. But I suppose the algorithm is a bitch and you need to be quick rather than good

[tight haven]

that is pretty nice

[icy remnant]

I’m still going for the 4/1/1

[tight haven]

to be fair having access to a beta server increases guide quality

less pressure to put it out ASAP

[odd wren]

My yvonne tho 1-4-1 lmao

[tight haven]

that said i dont really mind not having them myself

i dont use them

[icy remnant]

I’m not gonna lie
For all the access they had for 1.0 it’s still trash

[tight haven]

i couldnt speak to how the real guide quality is at present, i really just dont watch any ccs

[icy remnant]

All guide makers just want attention and views so they make stuff seem better than they are or they just try to doom post

[proud vector]

The issue is content creator and theorycrafter very rarely ever intersect

[odd wren]

Sigh so are we getting p3 endmin on 1.1?

[proud vector]

[tight haven]

unknown

maybe maybe not

[odd wren]

[potent hornet]

i'm guessing 1.2

[odd wren]

The gatekeep for damage output is making me crazy

[icy remnant]

They’re telling you to touch grass

[valid palm]

Yeah it's kind of a necessary evil tbh. Hype dies really quickly, and so it's best for the game if stuff like that can come out quickly. The way I look at it, the people who care about the guide being 110% accurate are the kind of people who are going to go the extra mile and do extra research on their own, so they're not really that affected by Day One guides being imperfect. The people who follow Day One YT guides and don't go any further are the people who don't care about optimizing or theorycrafting and are going to be content with any team they like that Works ™, which is usually not that big of a bar in gachas.

[tight haven]

im glad phys isnt changing for at least one patch

[odd wren]

Maybe 1.2 wont change as well

[icy remnant]

We have way too many Phys characters

Like way way too many

[tight haven]

i doubt 1.2 will change it either yea

[potent hornet]

watch rossi enable Ember dps

[icy remnant]

We need to give every single element more units aside from Phys

And Cryo

[tight haven]

if fangyi is phys ill die on the spot

lizhiyan MIGHT be phys

but who knows

[icy remnant]

NO MORE PHYS UNITS

[odd wren]

Mifu?

[icy remnant]

[tight haven]

i doubt mifu is in 1.2

they prominently featured lizhiyan in the "trailer" for 1.2

[proud vector]

Oh no she likes the endmin and they will force synergy

It’s over for leek lady

[odd wren]

The spear guy?

[tight haven]

liberi girl

[odd wren]

Oh

[tight haven]

the one who fangyi hires apparently

[valid palm]

Unfortunately Ember doesn't apply Infliction at all so I don't think they really work together all that well. You would need like (Endmin/Da Pan/Pog)/Rossi/Ember and then some infliction applier, preferably fire, which kind of just spreads the team way too thin.

[wanton notch]

The only thing that can enable Ember DPS is a module system

[valid palm]

Their synergy kind of starts and ends at "Rossi applies Phys and Heat susceptibility, and Ember has both Phys and Heat damage"

[proud vector]

ZERO SUIT EMBER??
Armor purges and gains 100% atkspd ?!?

[quartz flame]

give ember her gun

[shadow fern]

What do "bis" essences look like? Can you get 3-3-3

[valid palm]

6-6-3, but yeah

[shadow fern]

I mean whast the best you can start with?

No idea what I should be looking for from drops

[valid palm]

oh

[bronze plume]

1-4-3

[valid palm]

no idea tbh

[bronze plume]

or

4-1-3

[valid palm]

but I don't think it's really worth it to try and raw dog that lol

[bronze plume]

its not

[shadow fern]

Does the start not matter?

[bronze plume]

if you get the 1-1-1 line its fine

[shadow fern]

you can max it if it were 1-1-1?

ooh awesome

[valid palm]

yeah

[tight haven]

it would be rly fucking funny if the new gear or weaps just fix rossi somehow

[bronze plume]

yeah it just takes more time

[shadow fern]

good to know ty

[tight haven]

i hope im right on this

[valid palm]

Endfield's RNG gearing is way, way better than other gacha games

[tight haven]

it would be great if she plays well out of the box rather than needing to wait for future ops to help her out

[bronze plume]

bit impossible when introducing a new type of archetype into any game sadly

well

not impossible

[tight haven]

i know hsr and what-have-you dont need perfect gear stats but it did always bother me how it was almost impossible to have them

[bronze plume]

if they introduced a 5 star that works well with it would be nice

[tight haven]

endfields feels much better and it actually has a fair amount of player consideration for good gearing options for it

[valid palm]

The only thing you have to raw dog is a 1/24 chance (which is being removed for 'older' gear next patch)

Everything beyond that is guaranteed and perfectable, with RNG only slightly affecting how fast you get it (but it will even out over time)

[tight haven]

not having a new 5* this patch sucks a bit yeah

[valid palm]

Like, if Gryphline was interested in making RNG hell like other Gachas, they would have given Essences and Gear the good ole' BDO system

[hollow wyvern]

I saw someone drop a 4-4-1 gold once

[quaint matrix]

dont tell me i just broke my 9/9/3 essence on last etch

[valid palm]

😭

[peak void]

they should add durability for weapons/essences 😈

[dry kindle]

HSR when speed tuning

[valid palm]

My biggest issue with the Artifact system and its many derivatives is the 'all or nothing' nature of it. Like, if you don't get the piece you want, you have to start from scratch. There's no rerolling (I think Genshin actually added this but it's very limited), no incremental optimizations, nothing. You roll the piece or you don't roll the piece.

I don't mind RNG when it can be mitigated by effort, like Endfield's system has

[bronze plume]

most mainstream gachas with a artifact system have some form of rerolling

most dont guarantee what you want in the first place

and even if you do get the perfect stat line

theres rng within the amount of increase in the stat you get on upgrades

[valid palm]

Even if you have terrible luck, you will eventually get a perfect piece of gear or essence in Endfield.

[bronze plume]

rng to get what you need
rng to upgrade into the stat that you most want
rng to increase it by a higher amount

[valid palm]

tbf I stopped playing most gachas like a year ago due to burnout, but the only one I remembered having it was Genshin

[bronze plume]

all hoyo ones have it i think

[quaint matrix]

i hate rng in artifacts. this is one of the biggest problems and the thing why i don't want to play wuwa anymore. i'm just so tired of this stupid echo grind

[valid palm]

Unless you're talking about "recycling" where you dump unwanted pieces to get a new piece for pennies on the dollar

[bronze plume]

at least genshit, sloprail, zenless zero something

[valid palm]

When I say rerolling I mean like "You finally got a good starter piece, but the substats fucked up on leveling, so try again with the same piece"

[bronze plume]

that is

what i mean yes

[valid palm]

Which I only remembered Genshin having, but I'm glad if HSR and ZZZ added it too

It didn't exist when I played them

[bronze plume]

maybe im high and thinking they where better then what they where

[main nova]

the enemies is not even that challenging tbh

[valid palm]

but it makes sense ig since even Genshin had it for like, a single patch before I quit

[main nova]

the dodge window is so forgivable

[keen sentinel]

ive been back reading and lurking this channel for a while but why does everyone fully focus on rossi's art dmg part of her kit?

[quaint matrix]

i think pgr also has no rng on gear

atleast it was when i played it

[main nova]

i got epilepsy playing PGR so much flash

[valid palm]

because it means you're only getting half value out of Breach, and currently Pog/Breach is what makes Physical strong

[keen sentinel]

idk i know shes a bit chopped rn and needs too much of everything but i never got the impression that her dmg is a 5050 split

more like 80 phys 20 heat

[valid palm]

In order to try and focus on Physical, you would have to try and do some weird ass Shatter stuff with her which doesn't really work I don't think

[quaint matrix]

i quit it when i lost like 4 times in a row on wpn banner. which is like 25% to get offrate and 75% rate up

[twilit quail]

pgr just has the endless resource treadmill with endless things to do

and it's tiring

[keen sentinel]

like to me the crit hits on dot are phys and thats her main consistent dmg output

[main nova]

or you can play phys art with gib like me, its really fun see enemies lifted around

[valid palm]

Phys art with gib is just Shatter

[main nova]

true

[valid palm]

Endmin/Chen/Estella/Gib

my beloved

[keen sentinel]

im probably going to still just play pog lifeng rossi ake because i dont have gilb and theres no endgame but i dont see how amping the phys part of a phys char is a bad thing

[main nova]

its really funny see the enemy flying endlessly im having fun with the mechanics

its like those old game where i keep juggling enemies

[valid palm]

Like theoretically you could replace either Chen or Estella in that comp to try and make Rossi work, but (without seeing numbers tbf) I lowkey think it would be worse than just keeping the 5/4 star in there lol

[dry kindle]

You should all play babel while waiting for 1.1 🗣️

[errant urchin]

Do we have theorycrafting now of what the heck next units will be team with? Got disappointed that they didnt give crusg dps for physical dunno if Iwanna pull

[keen sentinel]

have to see mvs to really decide her teams but rn to me shes just a normal phys char that u have to force in existing phys teams and she comes with a 20-30% off ele tax

[errant urchin]

[shrewd patrol]

Okay, so I'm thinking Rite's best team when Tangtang gets released is...

Rite, Xaihi, Tangtang, Perlica

[valid palm]

For Tangtang, you can actually go with what they showed on the dev log tbh, first time I've seen dev footage where they actually know how to play the game somewhat decently

It may or may not be perfectly optimal, but they will definitely be functional

[keen sentinel]

meanwhile the rossi demo teams look zdps

[valid palm]

and we don't know what will be perfectly optimal anyway until we have numbers, so it's just guesstimating until then anyway

[errant urchin]

[valid palm]

For Rossi... who fucking knows

[dry kindle]

6* caster can't be that bad

[shrewd patrol]

Tangtang shouldn't be that bad

[valid palm]

In concept she's kind of hard to work with, so it's kind of a "do her numbers carry her" situation

[errant urchin]

tangtang looks decent

[valid palm]

I have high hopes for Tangtang

[errant urchin]

she might even be fun

[valid palm]

I feel like her numbers would have to be really awful in order for her to be bad

[shrewd patrol]

SAME

[valid palm]

The concept of her kit seems solid and useful

[shrewd patrol]

I was literally hyping so bad on her yesterday 😭

[keen sentinel]

as much as i like these hybrid chars that promotes new team building the way all phys chars work rn dont want that

[main nova]

freeze usually dont have much change

[keen sentinel]

and i hope hg doesnt do the hoyo thing where they just put in a bunch of bandaid stat conversions in talents

[main nova]

xaihi and perlica/gil for example seems always the get to go for ice

[summer flicker]

so does tangtang combo give you 2 whirlpool

cuz right after tangtang hit combo skill, it become |/

[errant urchin]

I dont know what they done on rossi but it feels like fire physical is forced to complement with his brother but idolizing endmin so they have to please both side

[valid palm]

I think it is kind of a travesty that she is Cryo support and not Physical, because running Endmin/Chen/Tangtang seems way too obvious. Even when I saw the Cryo, I was still on Copium thinking that she might be more Shatter support 😭.

However, I am also in need of a Cryo support anyway, so it's still a W. we take those

[shrewd patrol]

\|/ lmao

[errant urchin]

Rossi might be coming with ember

[main nova]

imagine mono ice with Tantang

[shrewd patrol]

Rossi's kit is confusing

For her, we actually need the numbers lmao

[summer flicker]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxfH8M9Ss6k_eg9yqCB_LHRCPWxTnGUgFF?si=tHbtldn3GUWJfeOe

[valid palm]

If Ember applied infliction they would be a perfect duo, but running Rossi + Ember means you either need a third elemental character on a "physical" team, or you only ever access like half of Rossi's kit when she ults.

[errant urchin]

its actually funny how rossi is questionable when our current most questionable unit is also a Fire Physical unit

[shrewd patrol]

[errant urchin]

nahh its just funny to me

they are both on same side

[wanton notch]

My message 27 days ago

[shrewd patrol]

Ember is just straight up confusing

[bronze plume]

the problem with ember is shes just straight bad

[main nova]

when you are Heat element but you touch the physical aspect

[bronze plume]

the problem with rossi is theres no body else whos really good for heat/phys

[valid palm]

Like... maybe you could do Endmin/Rossi/Ember/Gilb

[shrewd patrol]

They kinda incorporated Heat Infliction in Rossi's Ult just to give her the Fire type vibe

[wanton notch]

What Ember even does here

[valid palm]

Like theoretically you would want Ardelia more for her dual Phys + Arts susceptibility, but she doesn't apply any Infliction, only raw Corrosion

[shrewd patrol]

But like man, what is that attempt 😭

[main nova]

tbh the current Heat team scaling too well for a release, like Laev, Arakuri, Wulf, Adel just that synergistic and deal good damage on top of that

[potent hornet]

why not ember/pog/rossi/(wulf/gilb)

[errant urchin]

that could work

[valid palm]

It lets you play Ember if you really want to use her

[errant urchin]

debuff with decent damage

[wanton notch]

[valid palm]

Real talk... it gives you survivability in single-target because Gryph decided to screw Gilb's healing like that for some reason

She also helps stagger a lot ig, if you wanna do the Bonekrusher set on Endmin for funny numbers instead of the regular Swordmancer

[shrewd patrol]

But what do you guys think would be Rossi's team?

[errant urchin]

imagine if they put it on P5 that her heal could also occur on single target. Ahh the outrage

[valid palm]

That is about all I can think of, and it's kind of copium

[errant urchin]

[valid palm]

But it's not nothing at least

[bronze plume]

tbf

anything with rossi atm is copium

slapping ember into well anything is copium

[main nova]

yeah that Gil heal kits heal is weird

[bronze plume]

copium + copium

[valid palm]

[main nova]

definitely a sudden chance in dev interest

[shrewd patrol]

You know what they say

Negative plus negative is positive

[bronze plume]

not in this case

[valid palm]

Two copiums make a cook

[errant urchin]

Imagine it becomr like that

stop cooking

[wanton notch]

And there's as many people coping with it as there people saying Ember is actually good

Maybe even more

[normal tangle]

is gilbless yvonne a thing with tangtang or still nah

[valid palm]

I think Ember does have her niches, it's just that her niches aren't all that useful atm

Like Ember is genuinely absurdly strong at applying Stagger, but Physical is like the team that has the least issue already spamming Stagger anyway

[keen sentinel]

she works fine rn because theres no endgame and enemy hp is low af

[main nova]

that passive could be reworked maybe give atk buff instead

[wanton notch]

Funniest thing that her survival niche was useless as well because Ardelia

Her stagger niche is useless because she is physical

[keen sentinel]

rossi has self healing too

maybe she really is ember 2

[errant urchin]

[valid palm]

Her by-far strongest feature is just something that's already oversaturated in the archetype she wants to be run in

[main nova]

healing in this game is kinda...

[keen sentinel]

tbf hers is like lifesteal so maybe it lets u ape

[wanton notch]

Her only niche being hit woman that bait people into building her

[dry kindle]

🗿

[summer flower]

Ehhh?

[shrewd patrol]

Rite is not bait

[valid palm]

That's why I'm like, there's always potential in the future that we'll get new physical teams that somehow don't already spam stagger out the ass... and then she can be run in those if she isn't powercrept to hell at that point numbers-wise

[errant urchin]

yeah like rossi

[dry kindle]

Me omw to never build a phys team

[valid palm]

😭

[main nova]

[wanton notch]

But then a question if she would be better than Running Lifeng and Pog?

[main nova]

i dont run lifeng or pog

coz i dont have em

[shrewd ridge]

Genuine question. What is Lifeng even used for?

[summer flower]

That's use case for ember then

[valid palm]

Maybe one day we'll get content offensively punishing enough that sustain and defenses are mandatory

[wanton notch]

Shatter team

[valid palm]

Ember is technically the only sustain/defensive unit in the entirety of Physical right now, unless you count Ardelia

[summer flower]

Isn't shatter team "use pog or skill issue"

[shrewd patrol]

The gas is just the start, I think

[wanton notch]

Physical Susceptibility
2 Vulnerability stacks with ult
Good damage with skill (also applies Vuln)
Link from Combo to boost next ult (Chen) or Battle Skill damage

[wanton notch]

Shatter team usually Alesh, Estella, Chen, Edmin

[valid palm]

But if you're a waifu simp, replacing Alesh with Gilberta is surprisingly not as bad as it sounds

[shrewd patrol]

Huh, he's pretty hard to replace

[shrewd ridge]

Sounds like he might be replaced by Rotisserie. 😢

[main nova]

currently we have no such enemeies that require certain team, so most skill issue usually comes from dodging

[summer flower]

And Rossi is pretty much same when it comes to Phys team apparently after discussion it came up -link

[summer flower]

With ember if you dodge too much it's skill issue

[main nova]

my reflect told me to dodge

[shrewd ridge]

Rossi combo skill applies 2 stacks by itself, if I'm remembering correctly, and her battle skill already applies 1, similar to Lifeng.

[keen sentinel]

only issue is rossi is a package because she requires an arts unit

[wanton notch]

They should go opposite.

You know what most current teams do? Burst damage in small aoes with noticeable downtimes (except Laev).

So if you want to push people into using defensive operators, make stages with A LOT of enemies that constantly spawn around the stage and have quick small attacks (one of the slimes attacks for example is annoyingly fast)

[summer flower]

Been there, done that

[keen sentinel]

so u have to replace 2 chars then everything becomes scuffed

[main nova]

it just my muscle memory for playing souls game

[shrewd ridge]

Because of the "1 art inflict" and "1 Phys stack" yes?

[keen sentinel]

yea

[wanton notch]

Yeah.
Most replaceable characters rn:

Chen if we get free vulnerability stack character with low combo cooldown

Edmin and DaPan if we get crush dedicated 6* dps

[errant urchin]

yeah I forgot why Im disappointed rn

they didnt give us crush dps

[main nova]

Awakening Pengmin, trust

[wanton notch]

I mean they did

[keen sentinel]

i feel like if they did then it would raise phys ceiling too much

[potent hornet]

yea endmin will probably be bonkers at full p5

[keen sentinel]

i was expecting rossi to be a laev sup replacing ake

[main nova]

or Chen *5

[shrewd ridge]

Me too.

[keen sentinel]

but that would mean the best dps in the game is even better

[valid palm]

Speaking of which, I wonder if we're getting more Endmin tokens this patch. It feels like we probably should with the new story, but they didn't mention anything so I don't know.

[potent hornet]

i'm guessing 1.2 is when we get another one

[shrewd ridge]

We got two already, right? It's likely.

[wanton notch]

Nah, best what they can do:

+15 Agility and Strength at p3

1.1 multiplier for ult at p4

And increase attack bonus from 30% to 40% at p5

[keen sentinel]

laev walking 3 dogs is already top tier and if she got a new limited sup that makes the gap between her and others too big

[main nova]

but making MC fun to play is another good side of this game i guess

and she is cute

[valid palm]

I mean, extra 5% attack to the whole team...

[heady pine]

at least give me +25 agility and strength

[wanton notch]

+10% attack to shielded operators on Ember p5

[wanton notch]

Nah, free unit. Can't do that

[shrewd patrol]

This is so ass

[wanton notch]

I am 3 copies away from it

[valid palm]

Endmin P5:

"SP refund now triggers no matter what consumed the crystals, and it is now a recover instead of a refund"

gg ez

[wanton notch]

Frontier Edmin

[wind nebula]

been workin all day. we still doomin Rossi in here or what

[shrewd patrol]

Nah we glazing Tangtang

[wind nebula]

based

[valid palm]

No, no, the Ember copers are actually getting a lot of value out of Rossi

They both deal physical/heat, see?

[wind nebula]

it's a character for meeeeeeeeee!

[valid palm]

The dual susc makes Ember deal 1.5k dps instead of 1k

Perfect duo

[shrewd patrol]

[heady pine]

just give me

[shrewd patrol]

50% damage increase!1!1!1!!1!1

[heady pine]

Endmin potential:

battle skill levels scale off crush

why are masteries on it useless

[valid palm]

genuinely though if they just made Ember's battle skill apply Heat Infliction she would actually have like, niche uses

[wind nebula]

she already has niche uses, they just don't revolve around maximizing dps at all costs

[valid palm]

She would automatically work way better with Rossi. You could use her in Shatter teams as a replacement to Alesh/Gilb based on your needs, etc.

(real shatter, anyway. Yvonne Shatter is just "Yvonne but you throw in Estella for some extra Stagger or whatever")

[thorn shore]

praying tangtang saves yvonne

still so cooked if tangtang just makes last rite even better than yvonne

[umbral galleon]

Endmind fire element change

[noble tapir]

Yvonne has outperformed LR in just as much content as LR has outperformed Yvonne, so I mean

[thorn shore]

fair yeah yvonne is better in mobbing

solely thanks to working with gilberta

[bronze plume]

if not for gilberta yvonne atm would be very sad

[thorn shore]

back to back to back yvonne team drops

is truly insane

[bronze plume]

just get all the limited 6 stars atp

and you have yvonnes team

[thorn shore]

fuck it turn rossi back to nature and throw her in the yvonne line up

[summer flower]

Nah, there not much benefit to combine both

That's line done by doomers of both

[valid palm]

I know, I already went over it myself lol

[summer flower]

Ohh so sarcasm okay

[valid palm]

Semi-sarcasm, semi-ironic copium yeah lol

They don't actually have much of any synergy despite Rossi slightly amping Ember's "damage"

[summer flower]

Like there is not much additional benefit

Yea that's only

[bronze plume]

you know its bad if you think ember will work with a op

[summer flower]

She works for me

[valid palm]

It would work if Ember had Heat Infliction in her kit, but alas

Would it be a fantastic team? Maybe, probably not, but it would at least function

[summer flower]

Well, Rossi might be self contained if ult math is correct

[valid palm]

I dunno, I feel like she needs Gilberta at least. Or something along those lines.

[summer flower]

Maybe not optimal dunno how gearing would work

[valid palm]

Otherwise your uptime is gonna be shit

[summer flower]

Depends on math, on numbers

[valid palm]

Like half her kit is locked behind her ult if she's the only person applying infliction on the team

[civic wolf]

so in the event i have to settle for less because this stupid system would either require me having 120 pulls instantly ready no more no less for a Tangtang guarantee

who actually makes a bigger diff for Yvonne between Gilberta and Tangtang anwyay

[valid palm]

No way of knowing until Tangtang releases

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[civic wolf]

Well, maybe rotation wise anyway

since we know what her kit does but not necessarily the damage modifier

[valid palm]

I also feel like Rossi should work with Ardelia in theory due to the dual susceptibility thing, but in practice it's just not that great either. Not only do you have the normal annoyance of 'using Ardelia's combo in a phys team', but because Ardelia raw-dogs Corrosion instead of applying infliction, she has the same issue as Ember where now you have to run a third elemental user in a 'physical' team in order to use Rossi's kit without being ult-locked on infliction.

[valid palm]

see, even that heavily depends on stuff like cooldowns, SP refund, and ult costs

You can't really plan a rotation without that stuff

[lost dirge]

I wonder what set does tangtang want, I wonder? Tide surge or Xiranite.

[bronze plume]

gotta wait for that considering we are getting new gear

[lost dirge]

no new set though

[bronze plume]

theres a chance for redeemer to get a bonus

[proud vector]

Oh my

That would be huge

[bronze plume]

its getting gloves and body i think

so that would make it have all 3

tho it could also still just no have set bonus

[summer flower]

Ember doesn't have that issue, ember has only better options being in game for vunl infliction like lifeng

[valid palm]

Yeah I don't think there's any chance they retroactively make Redeemer a set

[neon cave]

Mt guess is itll mostly just be used as artificng fodder or the 4th pc

[valid palm]

I meant in the context of a Rossi team

[warm arch]

I am not sure if this is the right place to put this, but in the 1.1 devlog they said the Dijiang would not get any more updates, does that mean in 1.1 or ever?

[proud vector]

In 1.1

[warm arch]

oh good

my 500 aerospace things still have use

[valid palm]

Like if your goal is to run Rossi, you need a Crush user, which is two members. Then if you try and include Ember/Ardelia, you can't run Chen, Pog, Lifeng, or anybody else without locking Rossi's kit exclusively to her ult, because your fourth character has to apply infliction.

Or you include Chen, Pog, or Lifeng, and now Rossi is contributing even less because half her kit can only be used when her ult is up.

[proud vector]

To be entirely fair this scenario isn’t even that bad

The “only when ult is up” thing

[valid palm]

To be entirely fair, we don't know how bad that scenario is until we get numbers

It depends on her cost

[proud vector]

we do have estimates

Her multi sequence battle skill and combo skill are pulling a lot of legwork work on that front