theorycrafting

[honest hill]

dev log was super vague

[dawn patrol]

on one hand that would suck so bad but on the other hand at least we'd have rossi supports

[mortal trellis]

considering they're meant to be on-par, id assume they use the same artificing catalysts, but who knows

[lost dirge]

We kinda know who's in 1.2

[mortal trellis]

we just wait and see

[drifting quest]

1. i know, ive said that good numbers can save her like 3 times. this does not change the fact that if we are comparing a physical team which has buffs for physical damage, and we look at one skill that does physical damage and one that does arts damage, it should hopefully be rather obvious that assuming ridiculously overtuned numbers the former is going to deal more damage
2. that was a separate discussion not my fault you assumed it was related
3. i mean unless you expect us to get cdr gear as a third line (???) then the only factor is uge% which is something that has been discussed here regarding rossi several times

[honest hill]

we should be getting info in a weeks time? I hope

[odd wren]

They didnt even say if its 70 or 80 or 90 gears

[mortal trellis]

no harm in saving artificing catalysts beforehand as a precaution

[kind nebula]

i mean the new gear is gear being crafted w wuling materials so it would make some sense if the wuling catalysts would apply (not like theyre called xiranite catalysts rn), but thats mostly copium/speculation

[mortal trellis]

not like we're being held back by non-max artificed gold gear

[odd wren]

Fair but who knows right xd

[honest hill]

it's like show and tell but without the tell and just yap

[odd wren]

[honest hill]

like you can yap but don't be vague af

[dawn patrol]

shows you gear
refuses to elaborate
ends video

thank you hg so based

[honest hill]

we're not getting a new sub pac right?

[kind nebula]

we're getting a new subpac in 1.2 allegedly

[odd wren]

https://x.com/SmugSlav0/status/2028172822908956987

SmugSlav (@SmugSlav0)

#Endfield

X · Mar 1, 2026, 6:17 PM

[bronze plume]

We do not know 👍

[teal pawn]

I still think mono phys Rossi is like sticking a square in a circle hole

[odd wren]

[honest hill]

[teal pawn]

She'll be the meta with a new comp

[dawn patrol]

surely we'll get dedicated supports and rossi comps will be meta defining

[drifting quest]

thankfully (or not) the circle hole is an entire bucket and you can put any shape in it and clear

[leaden tartan]

Obviously. It's entirely non-synergistic with her kit.

[kind nebula]

i mightve just not watched carefully enough but iirc they said in 1.2 we're getting a new outpost = subpac so i doubt they release one in 1.1 too (especially since its story tied) without giving information about it

[mortal trellis]

1. I'm not afraid to admit the odds are pitted against her, but you repeatedly claim, confidently so, that rossi will do shit in a phys team, which is based on assumptions that her numbers will support your opinion
2. The topic of the discussion is not the matter, you're avoiding the point
3. How is CDR gear related at all? I'm talking about her numbers now because YOU brought it up, looking at any op's "suggested gear" in their preview on banners will tell you that the devs aren't the greatest players to ever exist, and wont always have the most optimal gear for every situation when creating said previews

[odd wren]

Just give me a support that can buff crush please ffs

[kind nebula]

please dont release an art intens support 😭

[gritty briar]

doesn't practically every phys unit buff crush enough?

[mortal trellis]

i believe they stated that we're getting one in the wuling expansion but i could be misremembering

[honest hill]

also u know the future "auto collect" Qols they mentioned them in a previous patch but now we have to wait till 1.2 or even 1.3

[kind nebula]

tbf they just said they were "working on it"

[dawn patrol]

it's coming soon™

[honest hill]

if that was true they could've shown it like that ain't hard to do

[mortal trellis]

gibby holds some potential as a partner that would allow you to force her into the circle hole, but whether or not it will perform is unknown
also depends on the intricacies of how her cs1 and cs2 actually

1. trigger
2. activate
3. apply vuln

[mortal trellis]

ask HG not me lmao

lemme re-skim the video

[odd wren]

Its not enough!! Chen can be replaced so endmin can go hyper

Physical support that can directly crush buff with vuln stacking kits would be nice

Ps. its just me yapping

[honest hill]

most of the video was QOL for Valley 4

and a bunch of yapping

[kind nebula]

the issue with this is what we know gilb's stats and using a dedicated slot to increase the arts sus she applies by like 5% is beyond stupid

[mortal trellis]

ok nevermind they were talking about future wuling expansions, 1.1 will NOT have an outpost

[odd wren]

Only one map expansion within wuling a small one which is qingbo stockade

[mortal trellis]

her dedicated slot use is purely to fuel rossi's rotation (and buff her ult if its any worthwhile)
at the end of the day it was just a throwaway thought and I was just curious about a potential quick-cycling rossi vuln rotation

[odd wren]

So just extra way of getting bills

[teal pawn]

I mean Gilbert works if you're building the team around Rossi, but the former doesn't do anything to mono phys

[odd wren]

Not another subpac xd

[mortal trellis]

actually did they even mention expanding the wuling stock redistribution?

[honest hill]

I do want another sub pac

[drifting quest]

tc is hyperbolic in nature, that's just the general atmosphere when you're trying to minmax stuff. I can admit it might be offputting for newcomers but anyone (from the server or not) that is invested in tc (and hence the channel) is generally clued into that nuance. it is exhausting to include huge disclaimers each and every time. ive routinely said if you want to go backsearch and not cherrypick about how it's all relative, and that rossi comps can still clear, but that defeats the purpose of TC and the channel exisitng as a whole

we dont need numbers to make assessments of a kit however, if this isn't intuitive to you as to why I can try to explain it a bit better if you explain what you don't understand but the idea that we require numbers to theorycraft is a bit absurd and pointless.

granted I could always be wrong, as always. I certainly don't have anywhere near a perfect track record, but at the same time there's a lot I've been right about. the whole point of tc is to have opposed opinons and discussions as a result, to avoid an echo chamber

if you have reason to refute things I say then say them, but you don't need to get pissy, angry or insulting about it if you dont agree, I certainly dont think I was until it was in return

i dont know what you mean numbers wise if you're not talking about combo skill cooldowns and ult costs, so you'll have to elaborate

wow holy yap

someone get this guy outta here

[mortal trellis]

yeah she lowkey doesn't, she applies vuln on cs but it will be very difficult to trigger without utilizing both rossi and gibby's ults back to back

[odd wren]

Yes coz they mentioned upgrades on the levels of the picture thingy in wuling
The stock red
Depot

[leaden tartan]

I'm not reading that, but yes. You can do mechanical TC without numbers.

[odd wren]

So we get more levels on those

Basically more wuling income

[drifting quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438785797334503506/1469026229184233679/caption.gif

[kind nebula]

the thing is that rossi wants to be a pure dps on an arts team (she only provides 5% arts sus basically and consumes a stack for it), which isnt good
we dont have numbers on her dps rn, but i doubt (speculation) it will be that good because she has some supportive capabilities for phys

[mortal trellis]

thats not what i'm opposed to, what i'm discouraging is making factual claims using that tc which is fundamentally based on educated guesses

[bronze plume]

dont mention the word speculation to theacc

[drifting quest]

nothing said here is ever factual

[mortal trellis]

then dont act like it is

[kind nebula]

this is true

[drifting quest]

bar the obvious stuff like 'rossi is a physical guard'

[mortal trellis]

im not bringing this up again

[kind nebula]

the purpose of this channel is to get as close to factual as possible

because a "best" team will probably never be discovered

[leaden tartan]

Yeah, that's just called being a dumbass.

[drifting quest]

call it out each and every time then

dont cherrypick it

[dawn patrol]

oh hell no it's calculus limits again

[honest hill]

You forgot to say this:
"This information is based on currently known information. It is speculative and based on my own opinion and might change as more information is released, we get numerical values and actual testing is done. Some comments might be hyperbolic due to the way I talk and do not necessarily reflect objective truth. Some comments may be presented as fact even if they are opinion."

[drifting quest]

my bad

[lyric latch]

the buff icon with 2 crossed Swords is usually ATK or DMG% right?

[honest hill]

[drifting quest]

i can assure you trying to call it out every time will very quickly get exhausting

[mortal trellis]

again, my interest wasn't even rooted in her damage to begin with, purely in her utility

[drifting quest]

because of the way people just naturally talk

[mortal trellis]

her damage would only be a bonus, but i'm avert to trying to guess her numbers so i chose to ignore it

[kind nebula]

she has negative utility because she needs an arts infliction

[honest hill]

It's very exhausting yeah

[drifting quest]

please stat this is opinion

[mortal trellis]

? its one of my few times here and it was because i wanted to have a good faith tc regarding rossi's kit, something i initially tried to do in #team-build only to be driven away by exactly what i'm opposed to right now

[honest hill]

What you should said was like: "she has negative utility because I think she needs an arts infliction"

[mortal trellis]

again, we dont know until we can get our hands on her and test how her cs functions

[bronze plume]

guys

i think

[drifting quest]

i mean the issue is (from the inside perspective) is that you're policing the way people talk because you don't like the way they communicate

[bronze plume]

rossi is a character with endfield

[odd wren]

Can i say now that yvonne can solo?

[honest hill]

woah u think as well

[drifting quest]

it's just a hostile stance to take

[mortal trellis]

how am i supposed to take anyone here seriously when every sentence is dripping with sarcasm and petty to no end

[drifting quest]

it's responsive to your attitude

[dawn patrol]

bugs in the big 2026

[drifting quest]

im not saying its a good thing

[mortal trellis]

i made a criticism and was met with a whole lot of bad faith arguments

[drifting quest]

but if you initiated more calmly then this would not have happened

[odd wren]

Yvonne solo clear

[lost dirge]

This discussion has devolved into stupidity

[honest hill]

I think rossi is ember 2.0

[drifting quest]

^^

[mortal trellis]

its barely a discussion

[odd wren]

So you pulling?

[drifting quest]

again

im offering a discussion if you want it

but you dont seem to for whatever reason

[gritty olive]

[honest hill]

I think I am not pulling her because I think Tangtang might be good in Last Rite team

[drifting quest]

so i will be the adult and disengage

[lost dirge]

Not like you aren't part of the problem but eh, I'll see myself out now.

[terse valley]

i will be pulling potential woman

[honest hill]

See what I mean

[drifting quest]

thats exactly why i was agreeing

[honest hill]

[odd wren]

Ohh

[dawn patrol]

p5r5

[mortal trellis]

i was very calm at first, i asked you some questions for clarification and we were talking about whether or not she would be sp locked, then suddenly—i dont even know how—the convo sidetracked into an ult damage discussion and then factually comparing her to chen when we dont know her numbers yet

[gritty briar]

i feel like it's obviously implied that people are talking about the hypothetical that the details of her kit was shown was most of what's relevant and assuming reasonable numbers, and that obviously if something was hidden that would change everything, anything we say would be invalidated. I don't think it needs to pointed out

[honest hill]

We'll have to see what the new gear set (frontier) will do for Last Rite

[odd wren]

Swordmancer with arts intensity

[honest hill]

mb not new i mean the red ones

[odd wren]

[honest hill]

[dawn patrol]

red gear in the big 2026 💔

[terse valley]

red gears will probably be higher numbers instead of a whole different effect right?

[drifting quest]

a ton of new body pieces means there's a lot of potential for a better off piece to drop, rather than the current 4 viable options

[odd wren]

Im coping hard for my endmin

[honest hill]

Yep

[drifting quest]

equal stats, different stats, same sets

[kind nebula]

oh btw if anyone wants to have some good faith tc later about whether tangtang will be good w yvonne or not ping me

[honest hill]

we need all the colors

[terse valley]

that's what i said

[drifting quest]

should be unless the numbers are genuinely terrible

[terse valley]

i meant same set skills

[drifting quest]

there's some very rough timelining going on for yvonne tangtang gilberta xaihi

and alesh xaihi

which looks pretty good

[honest hill]

Tangtang will fix Yvonne but not entirely

[drifting quest]

so like, it depends how long her ult is active for

since we want to get her talent 2 as much as possible

[mortal trellis]

I can admit fault to not reading the room properly, I definitely could have not notice the nuance in the discussion, but when i criticize it and am met with assumptions about my stance and snide comments regarding the game being "easy enough to do whatever" for some odd reason, then I'm going to get irritated. I dont think that's unreasonable to expect

[honest hill]

yeah it depends on that

[drifting quest]

we might do the gilberta thing where we only activate it near the end of yvonne ult

so that we can still plunge post yvonne ult

for the next rotation

[lyric latch]

cope that the buff Tangtang gives to the entire team after she hits final attack on an enemy with cryo is an attack buff

[dawn patrol]

gay gear 🔥

[odd wren]

Can tangtang solidfy right away?

[drifting quest]

tangtang doesnt have any solidification in kit

[river ermine]

tangtang is all cryo inflict

[drifting quest]

only natural reactions

[odd wren]

Oh sadge

[honest hill]

so even later than now? people use gilb ult when she does some flipx I'm no Yvonne main but that's what I have seen

[honest hill]

[mortal trellis]

whatever, its beating a dead horse, what could have been solved by a simple clarification on both ends devolved into a petty slap fight; my goal was never to derail and thats not what i'll do

[drifting quest]

depends on the length the ult is active for but yeah could be later than gilbs

tangtang ult doesnt buff by itself anyway, so there's not much lost by waiting on it, unless something like one of her weapon choices requires ult cast

[honest hill]

yeah just for cryo teams possibly LR

[drifting quest]

its there for utility in the timestop esque effect

[river ermine]

its there so lr doesnt miss anymore

[drifting quest]

in that scope tangtang doesnt solve as many of yvonnes issues

unless the ult has a super long uptime

[honest hill]

I mean hope that she does good in LR team

[river ermine]

from looking at her kit she might

but

sp consumption is insane in cryo teams

[drifting quest]

there's a debuff applied that seems to have it at 5-7s

[river ermine]

might even run alesh on lr

[drifting quest]

which is pretty dire

[honest hill]

Stanza Perlica who don't use SP is yk hard to beat

[river ermine]

isnt the debuff after you do dive attack

[odd wren]

Alesh getting his screen time huh

[honest hill]

[kind nebula]

the issue i have with tangtang and yvonne is that last rite seems to just be better tangtangs timings are weird since she wants to be used after most of ur inflictions are applied
do you have the rough timelines you could share?

[lyric latch]

as far as I could tell from the demonstration, her weapon does things when she applies cryo(she gains Cryo DMG Buff) and when she hit her final strike on an enemy with cryo(gives entire team a offensive buff)

[drifting quest]

doesnt appear to be because they showcase it during yvonne ult

[drifting quest]

let me see if there's any screenshots I can grab

[river ermine]

in the ult showcase thats what it seems like

[kind nebula]

which depending on how long the arts sus lasts, im not sure works well w yvonne who has setup that she needs to do after her active skill

[drifting quest]

its a private discord so they might not want to share

[honest hill]

Wait could tangtang replace arde because arts susc

In LR team

[dawn patrol]

4 weeks until rossi....

[odd wren]

Erm march 12th for 1.1 yeah?

Since yvonne banner done as well on 12th

[honest hill]

Think so

it's definitely after sanity discount event

[odd wren]

Im so bored

[honest hill]

Play endfield

[odd wren]

[honest hill]

[drifting quest]

March 12th for 1.1
March 29th for Rossi Banner
~April 15th or so for 1.2

[dawn patrol]

there's no game in my game

[warm galleon]

Just lose the 5050 to Rossi

[honest hill]

Uhmm u could crit fish w LR

That's what I do

[dawn patrol]

hell no

[honest hill]

[bronze plume]

do dps ardelia

[honest hill]

next patch It will be even better

[lean trellis]

will tangtang do well with last rite? i dont wanna pull for yvonne tbh but i really like tangtang

[honest hill]

Full ults

Full hp

[odd wren]

Trueeeee

[honest hill]

ty hg I needed this

I can crit fish LR more efficiently

[odd wren]

More uptime for ginseng runs

[dawn patrol]

time to get my 10m rhod clear or whateva

[honest hill]

Yup

they knew

They included recrisis boss

[drifting quest]

should yes, outside of speedrunning where tangtang might be too slow
general clears, trims (esp longer bosses) tangtang should be more comfy

[honest hill]

[honest hill]

Would tangtang replace arde in current LR team that has perlica

[warm galleon]

She's the same class as Perlica so either replacement or side by side.

[honest hill]

I wonder what would be better

[warm galleon]

If she's ice ver of Perlica then that's not good for LR team

Unless her combat skill is a bit diff

[honest hill]

I mean Perlica don't need to spam BS she's only there for electrification and stanza buff

arde is there for arts susceptibility

Tangtang kit got arts susceptibility

[drifting quest]

its a no go on direct screenshots but uh
basically there's a couple assumptions that affect how we plan to timeline
if the whirlpools can last enough for multiple tangtang combo skills then we want to stack them up which is where gilb should end up better performing
if we have to combo > skill every time or lose the whirlpools it should favour funnyman alesh gaming

ult should be safe-ish to use purely for stacking in precharged ult content since we can get it back before we loop the cycle (can differ per true ult cost, but a couple of the vague guesses align enough)

we might be running like er% yvonne stuff to compensate for the sp return since it can somewhat misalign ult a bit, but also it is kinda a non issue because we can get more stacks in the same time period. one of those things to consider and look into more when we do get numbers

[drifting quest]

depends on numbers

[warm galleon]

Depends on tangtang's battle voiceline

[kind nebula]

alright so nothing groundbreaking really but that does reinforce most of what ive already thought, thanks for sharing

she just seems so much better for lr than yvonne i feel theres actually just no point in theorycrafting for yvonne

[honest hill]

Yeah because I think arde arts susc is just 15-20%(lv 9 to M3)
And her wep gives 16% arts damage taken at P0 I hope Tangtang does it better

[drifting quest]

assuming consistent gameplay optimisations against typical content yvonne is pretty close to lr

[honest hill]

Right now?

[drifting quest]

and tangtang definitely seems to help yvonne more than lr

so it's not impossible to see the scales tip

[leaden tartan]

This was always intended.

[drifting quest]

and yvonne becomes the better cryo carry

[honest hill]

that could happen yeah

[drifting quest]

last rite has the benefit of being more skill proofed right now

which wont change

[leaden tartan]

They probably had it planned out right from the Yvonne beta changes.

[honest hill]

I feel like against bosses last rite wins?

but with tangtang freezing bosses for Yvonne might change

[drifting quest]

odds are in optimised gameplay you never see much use out of boss freezing other than as an interrupt

its uptime seems pretty poor

and you want to proc talent 2 as much as possible

[honest hill]

Oh

[drifting quest]

uptime as in how long it lasts, not how often you have it available

i should say

[warm galleon]

Would be funny if giving tang's wep to flourite makes flourite the best yvone team

[honest hill]

Oh that's what u meant

The duration on it

[leaden tartan]

Rossi composition thoughts thusfar:

Rossi is a bridge between arts inflictors are vulnerability consumers. She has particular synergy with gilberta because Gilberta applies both of the requiremebnts for her combo skill. This synergy is somewhat held back by the need for a teammate which can enable gilberta's combo skill for free. Such teammates would include, Wulfguard, Perlica, Ardelia. She also (theoretically) requires a consumer of vulnerability stacks to justify her conversion/application. Because the team damage composition is mostly split, I postulate that crush would be favored over breach in this case. It is of note that Rossi's ultimate is arts damage and should align with Gilberta's ultimate (at full vuln stacks) to maximize the burst window, afterward the vulnerability stacks can be cleared and the rotation started anew.

As for teams not involving Gilberta, there is some level of greater flexibility as forced arts reactions are not required. In this case, operators that efficiently apply arts inflictions such as Wulfguard would be desired. An operator to consume the vulnerability stacks (likely crush preferred) will also be required. In this configuration there is one possible flex slot that should probably be reserved for amplification/vulnerability of some kind.

A lot of her usage will depend on the damage output of clawmark relative to her ultimate... and until we get a character that has some other use for vulnerability stacks, she will align better with multiple damage sources on a team.

[honest hill]

So Endmin Gilberta and Wulfgard/perlica

[drifting quest]

its very likely that rossi is a unit ran just because you want to, not because it optimises or improves an existing team

[leaden tartan]

That was my thought.

[dawn patrol]

rossi hypercarry dreams found dead behind 7/11

[drifting quest]

most of the hoops you jump through to make her kit work tend to look a lot more inefficient than existing options or in the rare cases they are more efficient, the trade off is usually relevant personal/team damage/buffs

[honest hill]

Hm I forgot how perlica cs triggers

[leaden tartan]

I wouldn't even look at her in terms of existing teams. There will be teams that can only exist because of her. She has a unique function.

[honest hill]

It's something to do w final strike

Idr

[warm galleon]

Final strike just one

[honest hill]

Does the enemy have to have no arts infliction

[drifting quest]

when i say existing teams that's comparing say crush payoff dps rossi to crush physical teams, since they are somewhat directly comparable

[warm galleon]

Nope

[honest hill]

I see

[warm galleon]

Her ult is easy to fill because that's all you really need.

[red mulch]

Very insightful thanks for sharing

[drifting quest]

the general philosophy kind of has to be that 'i want to run rossi, so im going to try make the best team i can that uses rossi' as opposed to 'im going to use rossi to make a team that is equal to or better than [alternative]'

which is fine

[honest hill]

Yeah you pull rossi and u make the best team u can

[dawn patrol]

it kinda sucks that my goat is suboptimal but again that's just how it goes in gacha games

[drifting quest]

as ive said numerous times i do like rossi kit and i think we should have more kits like hers, as opposed to powercreep or same-ish sorts of kits

[glass birch]

A big thing to remember; her Combo skill scales off of how many Afflictions she consumes while dealing Phys damage.

Another thing is that a misconception I'm seeing going around (At least on YT) is that you have to time her SEQ2 combo skill perfectly to get the 2nd hit; which isn't true. The perfect timing is just for the additional Vuln stack which you can skip if you dont need the 2nd stack from her combo skill

[drifting quest]

its just that when trying to tc and minmax there's not a ton going for her relative to existing teams doing the same sort of stuff

[terse valley]

true and real, not every limited units has to powercreep existing ones, unlike some other gacha next door

[glass birch]

Ult Energy required for her ult + motion values will determine wether she'll better fit Phys or Heat

[proud vector]

Rossi doesn’t seem to improve standard phys kit support wise due to the support units she wants to work with taking up space of really synergistic units

Rossi might gap shatter possibly but that’s because shatter is sad as a comp in terms out output

[drifting quest]

we have a decent guess at her ult cost

[leaden tartan]

Well... one of those we can kind of poke at right now. The other one we need hard numbers to determine.

[drifting quest]

since they show us how much combos and skills generate

[drifting quest]

both need numbers

really

[leaden tartan]

That's why I said poke at.

[drifting quest]

there's like a ton of rossi hypothetical teams already

some look worse than others

[dawn patrol]

rossi might actually be the new potential woman and dethrone yvonne

[balmy jay]

[kind nebula]

yvonnes not even potential woman after tangtang releases tbh

[drifting quest]

she's still a little bit potential woman

[summer flicker]

waiting for the 4th limited char in yvonne team

[red mulch]

Ember 🤝 Rossi
Heat/ Phys and Phys/ Heat

[proud vector]

In theory she beats shatter phys entirely given that her+wolfguard essentially fulfils the role of Estella + Alesh + Chen (LOTS of asymmetries aside)

[glass birch]

So our current roster for Guards include Estella, Lifeng, Chen, and the everloved Endmin.
Endmin's ult is 80 energy
Lifeng's is 90
Chen's is 70
Estella's is 70.
.....

I feel like Rossi's ult will likely be on the higher end of the spectrum; being 90-100 energy considering it's where a good chunk of her damage will come from.

[teal pawn]

So we have split scaling DPS where is our split scaling support

[leaden tartan]

Suzuran

[teal pawn]

Phys and arts sus

[dawn patrol]

ard

[terse valley]

uhhh ardelia?

[dawn patrol]

[glass birch]

Ardelia

[teal pawn]

Oh wait YEAH

[drifting quest]

rossi has additional energy gain stuff so it's higher than the others

[teal pawn]

[red mulch]

Rossi Meta Truther 🤣

[glass birch]

Where does she have additional energy gained?

[terse valley]

wait what

[teal pawn]

Now make one that works with Rossi

[pliant python]

I will be farming standard character signature weapon essence . I believe last rite's sig is her bis and worth getting right? Other than that is there any standard weapon that worth getting?

[dawn patrol]

ard again

[drifting quest]

her extra hits are additional energy

[proud vector]

Who’s crossing out Shuo it’s real

[teal pawn]

[drifting quest]

lmao

[glass birch]

Her talent 2? Thats just damage and healing.

[proud vector]

Seg2 of battle skill increases Rossi’s energy gauge

[drifting quest]

you can go watch the video

[proud vector]

As a seperate chunk of energy than seg1

[drifting quest]

its extra energy for not extra sp

[teal pawn]

In a few patches trust

[terse valley]

so that's more energy than average battle/combo skill?

[proud vector]

We don’t even know if that’s teamwide btw

Shuo is convinced it’s not

I’m 50/50

[drifting quest]

shouldnt be, per precedent

could always be wrong but that would make her

alone in it

[proud vector]

really good

[drifting quest]

i wouldnt say that

[terse valley]

wait which extra hits are we talking about? battle or combo? both?

[drifting quest]

better for sure

[drifting quest]

both have extra energy on the conditionals iirc

[proud vector]

So let me cope with this as part of her potential woman portfolio ok lmao

[terse valley]

count me in

[dawn patrol]

the fact that the enemy alr has to have vuln to trigger bs sq2 kinda pisses me off

[glass birch]

Looks normal to me though

[leaden tartan]

We already have several hybrid physical/arts chcaracters... It's not exactly a crazy thought that we'll get more.

[proud vector]

Just gotta use your crusher to crush for the vuln I guess

[terse valley]

the gilberta in the room:

[dawn patrol]

ion have gilb and ion care

[red mulch]

I have Gilb and will be pitying for Rossi

[leaden tartan]

Selling the solution to a problem that doens't exist yet.

[red mulch]

[glass birch]

SEQ1 has minimal energy gen on her battle skill; SEQ2 makes it look more like everyone else.
Combo is the same deal. Minimal ult energy on SEQ1 and normal amount after SEQ2 hits

[drifting quest]

the seq1 should be the normal 6.5 per 100 sp

[terse valley]

so it's actually average like every other operator skills?

[drifting quest]

the seq 2's should be additional energy for meeting the conditions

[red mulch]

Does Ultimate Energy really matter

[drifting quest]

akin to laev, last rite, yvonne, etc.

[leaden tartan]

Source on these energy numbers?

[terse valley]

visual cue from the showcase

...i think?

[leaden tartan]

We don't know the ult gain though.

[red mulch]

LOL

[drifting quest]

video shows the energy gained
we know how much default skills or combo skills give > can make educated guesses for the min and max

[terse valley]

yeah we all feelcrafting here

[glass birch]

If thats 6.5 then her ult is like 120

[red mulch]

Theorycrafting at its finest

[drifting quest]

which sounds about right yes

[proud vector]

Visually confirmation from the video yeah

[terse valley]

basically we're just bored

[glass birch]

https://game8.co/games/Arknights-Endfield/archives/574943 This site has small clips for each part of her kit if you dont want to go through the entire dev log

[proud vector]

We know the weapon stats from data la mine
No ER on it so
Unless the devs do a fucky wucky and add er gear it should be fine

[drifting quest]

even if you assume er gear

it just makes the hypothetical max roughly double

(which would make the units very bad, fwiw)

250 cost rossi ult

[terse valley]

we are still pulling 🗣️

[glass birch]

[leaden tartan]

You never know what they have them equipped with in the showcase. It doesn't necessarily reflect their actual set.

[dawn patrol]

game too ez anyway might as well make it a challenge

[glass birch]

Could be naked

most likely it's either hot works or naked tbh

[terse valley]

did they show rossi main/secondary stat?

[drifting quest]

again even if we assume max uge (209%) it just roughly doubles the ultimate cost

[glass birch]

They did not but considering her design it's likely either Agi/Str or Agi/Int

[terse valley]

she looks like agility?

yeah could be agi int

[glass birch]

pretty sure her sig is agi/cr/frac

I also kinda hope the new MI Security gear comes with a line of Crit Damage instead of Crit rate or some other form of DMG%

more dopamine for crits please

[terse valley]

what about the BP sword

[glass birch]

I personally dont know. I havent seen any leaks on it

[terse valley]

just in case i didn't get her sig

[dawn patrol]

more crit rate 100% cr

[signal sundial]

.leaks

[glass birch]

imagine if Rossi's talent 2 could crit-

[terse valley]

.leak2

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1396872298027417705/1427934925931151446/A0C99YAVH3JRMESW_AJ1.gif?ex=68f69a48&is=68f548c8&hm=4584754200593f373970d6bbeb73c0527c8a9fae622caeb07be4b5ea92e6bce8&=&width=160&height=160

[signal sundial]

.leak

[crystal coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1406921241389961247/artworks-OcZ9DuwfBuSjNSy0-THYYuQ-t500x500.png

[glass birch]

Get to 100% CR. Dont care about other stats, and just watch the crits pile up on eachother

[unreal light]

I believe someone told me tangtang comes after Rossi

[dawn patrol]

free stacks would be huge

[unreal light]

And now I read its other way around

[signal sundial]

It is tang tang first

[terse valley]

tangtang first

[glass birch]

Tang tang first

[signal sundial]

It's literally on the banner images

[unreal light]

damn

[glass birch]

tang tang is after Yvonne's banner, then half way through 1.1 we get rossi

[drifting quest]

you can confirm by checking their weapon arsenal release dates

march 29th is rossi's

[unreal light]

I haven’t seen a roadmap yet

[unreal light]

Ok ty

[signal sundial]

I mean leakers also said Rossi was a nature striker

[drifting quest]

doesnt exist

but its in the dev log video

[terse valley]

it doesn't help that they wrote down "before/after version update" instead of an actual date like a normal person

[signal sundial]

There's no roadmap so you have to piece the info by yourself from the video

[proud vector]

Tbf it was discredited before the vid released

There was also a real leak before the vid that called Cyro striker Tangtang and ember hybrid Rossi

[terse valley]

those aint leakers, just some guy spouting nonsense, zero source

[signal sundial]

Fair enough

[unreal light]

Same fanfiction writers were saying we are getting sussuro and suzuran expy

[terse valley]

people are so obsessed with leaks some took advantage of it and made some profit

[unreal light]

[unreal light]

And the profit is being known as a liar

[signal sundial]

I'm surprised there's still leaks considering HG's stance on them

[teal pawn]

I mean there was one saying Tangtang is cryo caster and Rossi is heat/phys so

[signal sundial]

[teal pawn]

Guessing luck?

[proud vector]

Part of human nature to fight the fomo kek

[bold rose]

Thorned Yazhen/Fluffed Jinciao are actually the best ROI on healing items right?
Just grab some and grind down to powders to snort and that’s it?

[unreal light]

It isn’t that hard to say Rossi is phys heat

[proud vector]

Like if we still had Gilberta banner now I would be very tempted honestly

[unreal light]

It’s literally shown in the valley 4 story

[proud vector]

Heat? No. Phys? Ehh

[signal sundial]

To whoever asked about floofy jincao, yes

[bold rose]

Tbf I thought she was pure heat

[signal sundial]

But idt it's worth it

[dawn patrol]

can't wait to run some bullshit like rossi/wulf/endmin/ard

[signal sundial]

Just use jincao drink and dodge more

[mortal trellis]

prob with more operators available it would be more feasible to spec rossi into a phys team or a heat team, but with our current available units she's kinda just a homeless bum

[bold rose]

I mean you run into them daily while running around Wuling

[mortal trellis]

theres like one situation where she might be useful but its reliant on how her cs works

[teal pawn]

Rossi Arde Gilbert Pog

[mortal trellis]

where crusher 💔

[dawn patrol]

we've got abysmal dogshit 🔥

[signal sundial]

I didn't set up an automated factory production line to go and MANUALLY pick up herbs smh my head

[bold rose]

I’ve had a 100 stack of Fluffed Jincao powder since the start of Wuling and I haven’t even used them up fully

[drifting quest]

some of the more promising looking rossi teams just ignore consuming the vuln

and just using it to buff gilb ult

let it sit at 4 stacks

[dawn patrol]

shuo ion have gilb 💔

[proud vector]

Really speculative though

[signal sundial]

Yes because no content actually needs such potent healing

[drifting quest]

im not posting it again

[proud vector]

Idk if her ult is even pure heat, they hid the damage numbers

[bold rose]

You underestimated my lack of hands

[drifting quest]

this is what we call a cope moment

[proud vector]

yeah yeah I got it lmao I’m not poking at you

[dawn patrol]

it's ok being optimal is not necessary in this game

[restive crescent]

rossi

[signal sundial]

The only hard content (relative) is umbral monument agony mode (which you can't use healing) or re-crisis (which doesn't hit that hard unless you get chain slapped by marble mommy)

[dawn patrol]

so i can rossi hypercarry as much as i want

[drifting quest]

its funny that rossi teams can proc perlica's talent too

[bold rose]

(unless you get chain slapped by marble mommy)
Yeah that’s the issue right there

My hands are shite

[drifting quest]

more of a gilb thing in general for proc'ing it but gilbless rossi teams can do it

[mortal trellis]

i unironically have thoughts on rossi gibby pog da pan/endmin but its reliant on some niche cs conditional bullshit that we dont know yet
biggest issue would be sp so maybe da pan instead of endmin would be favorable
then again if my assumption isn't true it all falls apart and she's just a homeless bum again, unless her ult numbers are so nutty she just one shots shit

[bold rose]

Skill issue af

[drifting quest]

minor dps gain for the double electric stuff

[teal pawn]

Mono phys and just beat it up like it's a stagger check

[restive crescent]

if it makes u happier u can assume some random arbitrary mv ratio for heat vs phys and see what it sheets out ig

[teal pawn]

[restive crescent]

:scp939:

[drifting quest]

worst case scenario you run her in the shatter wheelchair comp

[proud vector]

Oh no, the ult itself is pure heat im sure

Im just not sure what the damage share of ultimate vs talent 2 is

[drifting quest]

pretend she's helping

[proud vector]

No imo she replaces the shatter team entirely

[bold rose]

So Tangtang replaces the Perlica slot in cryo teams right?
Yvonne/LR, Xaihi, Tangtang, Gilb?

[restive crescent]

i was referring to total mv per rotation

[proud vector]

For just wukfguard and Rossi, you can basically do the job of Estella Alesh Chen (with caviats)

[mortal trellis]

didn't the livestream (cba to call it a video) say it was a "flurry of slashes that deal damage" (ambiguous) "and a final strike that deals heat dmg"

[signal sundial]

Tbf I was not expecting tangtang to literally be called daughter of the river and be like a water cat or something

[drifting quest]

the elephant:

[signal sundial]

So cryo really is unexpected

[dawn patrol]

do not address him

[mortal trellis]

then again if they can justify the final slash being heat dmg whos to say the flurry also can't be heat

[safe sand]

elephant operator when

[signal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/address-me-gif-3314967408153193330

[proud vector]

but it’s trueeeee

[mortal trellis]

idt we have an elephant race in OG AK so unlikely

[drifting quest]

the joke is that the caveats are so numerous that unless rossi is somehow outdps'ing 2 units

its

[safe sand]

rossi ult has a 2000% multiplier trust

[dawn patrol]

it's ok guys rossi's numbers wil be huge

[proud vector]

I run shatter phys

[drifting quest]

and like okay

[proud vector]

The bar to do that is NOT high

[drifting quest]

lets say you drop alesh estella chen for rossi wulf

who is the 4th

[restive crescent]

2k isnt that high

if its the total

[proud vector]

Pog probably comes to mind first as a thermite holder tbf

[drifting quest]

how are you stacking vuln during wulfgard downtime

[dawn patrol]

rossi bs 💔

[mortal trellis]

trust rossi bs dot will be crazy...

[leaden tartan]

People forgetting clawmark inceases physical and heat damage taken.

[proud vector]

Kinda just… don’t really, pog wouldn’t even be breaching which is wacky

[drifting quest]

which is where we end up at

of her doing the same job, but just kinda worse

[proud vector]

Let me reverse the question, how does shatter phys stack vuln outside of the shatter Estella combos?

Chen to provide the remaining two and to go on cooldown right

[safe sand]

shatter phys vuln is fully carried by estella having 200% ult eff and a 70 63cost ult

[drifting quest]

chen bs, chen combo
estella ult, combo

[proud vector]

Yep that’s 4 every 18~ seconds or so, standard

[autumn glen]

I'm confused is rossi physical or heat

😭

[drifting quest]

both

her element is physical though

[mortal trellis]

both, but likely mid at both

[autumn glen]

Okay ic

Cuz I was like

She physical but can do heat damage??

[leaden tartan]

citation needed

[mortal trellis]

potentially a good vuln applier or maybe heat debuffer? but her kit is kinda contradictory with our current roster of operators

[drifting quest]

excluding them giving her overtuned values she is not going to be better then existing setups because of what you have to drop from the team to add her

[potent hornet]

she is an arts reaction unit

/phys

[drifting quest]

so the question is basically what's the least bad rossi setup

[safe sand]

i mean current physical is pretty loaded

[mortal trellis]

kinda just lack of synergies, pretty important when youre mixing shit together into a kit
one way you could avoid this issue is just jacking her numbers up to high hell

[autumn glen]

U think I should pull Yvonne for tangtang or is last rite good enuff

[lyric latch]

most of her damage will be heat but she puts vulnerability for her physical teammates

[drifting quest]

current guess is that for something like umbral monument she can replace arclight

[autumn glen]

Lowk frying me that tang tang is a cryo gilberta

[drifting quest]

on electric

[restive crescent]

wait is the assumption not just rossi wulf gil +1 rn

[drifting quest]

perlica rossi akekuri gilberta

or something

[mortal trellis]

why wulf and gil?

[drifting quest]

it might be a better link target than perlica ult

[autumn glen]

No avywenna?

[drifting quest]

gets dropped in umbral monument situationally

[autumn glen]

[drifting quest]

avy is still better outside of umbral, and in some umbral stages

[autumn glen]

Thank god

She my only maxed opportator

[drifting quest]

the aforementioned team would work outside of umbral too

but that's getting more back to 'play what you want the game is easy' territory

[autumn glen]

I'll play alesh shatter with tang tang

LOL

[edgy crater]

whos getting kick for tang2 on shattered?

[drifting quest]

chen

[bronze plume]

wtf

[drifting quest]

makes it worse but that's a trend

[restive crescent]

gil for cskill + stacks
wulf cus im assuming rossi isnt selfish dmg rn

[edgy crater]

[mortal trellis]

fair, thats possible

[drifting quest]

there's maybe some angles where rossi stacks better than chen in shatter but average over time chen should win

[drifting quest]

we're deep in the hole here

3 people i know have just given up on rossi

tc wise

[leaden tartan]

Rossi's ultimate also applies heat infliction, making her somewhat positive.

[twilit quail]

this unit is so fucking funny

[mortal trellis]

rossi's stupid fucking ult when it consumes the arts infliction she needs to use cs

[bronze plume]

we have reached bedrock 🥀

[mortal trellis]

[twilit quail]

you can actually kind of make a real timeline with rossi yvonne gilb endmin

what a fucking joke

[mortal trellis]

wtf is yvonne doing there

i dont have her so i haven't read her kit

fried

[restive crescent]

solidify

[bronze plume]

being just as weird as rossi

[twilit quail]

I cant wait for this unit to come out man

[edgy crater]

dfq Yvonne doing there

[autumn glen]

I thought Yvonne was bad lol

[twilit quail]

emphasis on kind of

cbt yvonne was bad

[mortal trellis]

she's fine

[restive crescent]

yvonne is very playable

[twilit quail]

live yvonne has bad team

they gave her actual mechanics

[bronze plume]

yvonne isnt bad shes just

meh

[twilit quail]

and she actually works

[drifting quest]

the yvonne tangtang stuff is kinda neat

[twilit quail]

unlike cbt yvonne

[autumn glen]

Icic

[proud vector]

So for 200~ SP
Alesh to solidify and Chen to do 1 for the team gets you to 4 stacks every 18 seconds. Reality of the team is slightly different depending on the boss you are fighting and how much SP you can mooch off final striking and how much crippling UGI debt is on Alesh

A theoretical Wulf Endmin Rossi core does
Wulf BS +CS + Ult + CS
Rossi/Endmin BS
Rossi BS + CS + Ult

But every cycle after has the leftover heat infliction from Rossi ult to work with (her combo skill will come back faster than infliction will fall off)

Leading to
Rossi/Endmin BS
Rossi Bs + CS

To be 4 vuln

It may look cope but it’s similar in structure to how phys shatter gets its vulns

[restive crescent]

i dont rly find there to be large gaps between teams with loopable rotations yet

[normal tangle]

yvonne tangtang stuff?

[restive crescent]

tbh

[mortal trellis]

you should try rossi gibby pog endmin trust

[twilit quail]

cbt yvonne was a fucking horror

[drifting quest]

like you'd think tangtang causes the same issues that lr does thanks to sp refund

but because you get more inflictions

it solves itself

[edgy crater]

ultibot tang2

[autumn glen]

So does this mean she isn't ass

[restive crescent]

wait i havent read tang^2 kit

she has sp refund?

[bronze plume]

you know what

[twilit quail]

ok who can we count on to save lae next

lycia

[autumn glen]

And I get to play wulfgard

[edgy crater]

she does

[bronze plume]

who cares about how bad rossi looks

i have m12 ardelia

RAAAH

[twilit quail]

If you ask me

[drifting quest]

mifu heat support trust

her gauntlets had fire

[proud vector]

She is comparable to the most ass competent team we have lmao

So idk man

[twilit quail]

I think her numbers are just mega jacked

LOL

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah the main cope is that

[twilit quail]

Im almost certain that's going to be the case

[drifting quest]

rossi numbers are giga overtuned

[twilit quail]

I would much rather her be good though

[autumn glen]

Brah 😞

[drifting quest]

if they are then you just kinda force it

[mortal trellis]

surely the 1.1 char wont be dead on arrival

surely

[twilit quail]

weirdo teams are good, actually

[bronze plume]

tbf yvonne was dead on arrival

[mortal trellis]

maybe the 1.1 patch chars have synergies surely

[autumn glen]

We're all just gonna get tang tang I guess

[drifting quest]

the kit is fun

[restive crescent]

1.1 characters needing futurecrafting is normal

[drifting quest]

goofy

[restive crescent]

based on what they r doin with the kits

[drifting quest]

there's the uh

4 corrosion 4 vuln

gilb shit

[bronze plume]

clearly in 1.2 we are getting a character then synergizes perfectly with rossi

[mortal trellis]

in cbt or global release

[drifting quest]

with rossi

[odd wren]

Hmm that low huh but i rarelt use endmin ult ngl lol

[leaden tartan]

Everyone making quantitative assessments of Rossi's power at this point is having a fever dream. Best you can do is try to TC teams.

[bronze plume]

1.2 is a wulfgard alter

ez

[normal tangle]

mifu will be elec+phys hybrid

on god

[edgy crater]

bruh dats too early to make an alter

[autumn glen]

Yah tbf we dont have numbers so maybe her dmg will compensate for weird util

[bronze plume]

never say never type shii

[edgy crater]

[drifting quest]

there's also like

dps wulfgard

that came back up

with rossi

[proud vector]

No

[bronze plume]

youre funny

[drifting quest]

the timeline doesnt look that bad

[proud vector]

Hell no

[mortal trellis]

just release rossi alter atp, self-synergy tech

[normal tangle]

i don't think that's real

[proud vector]

Fck no

[drifting quest]

but it also does

[dawn patrol]

hypercarry rossi please save endfield

[bronze plume]

sparkle and sparxie

[mortal trellis]

is this some hsr shit i dont know about

[bronze plume]

accurate

[dawn patrol]

sloprail mentioned

[restive crescent]

4 rossi team

[drifting quest]

p2 gilb unbricks every arts dps

[mortal trellis]

i recognize the name sparkle because of fortnite, unironically

[proud vector]

DPS Wulf needs to die

[edgy crater]

anyway, we only get cuprium n its waste on aic part isnt

[bronze plume]

whats her p2

[drifting quest]

double bonus on ult per vuln stack, counts as 1 additional vuln stack

[patent root]

what's theory crafting?

[bronze plume]

so just

[mortal trellis]

crafting theories

[restive crescent]

its when u r a nerd and u yap

[patent root]

TRUEEE

[leaden tartan]

Yappin' mostly

[drifting quest]

3 vuln makes her ult 54% susceptibility

[bronze plume]

p2 gib and rossi is good to go ez

[patent root]

cuz I don't understand what's mostly being said here that relates to theory crafting

[dawn patrol]

surely p5r5 will save rossi

[patent root]

you guys mean building chars?

[bronze plume]

just p5p5 rossi and gib

[mortal trellis]

its like when you dont know something for sure so you do math or timeline it or educated guess speculate to try and figure it out

usually for new shit

[bronze plume]

no thats #team-build

[feral fractal]

so yall are still torn about rossi

[dawn patrol]

alr missed gilb but i plan on p5p5 rossi

[leaden tartan]

How about you contribe? Please contribute.

[drifting quest]

rossi wulf stacks up 4 heat > you make 4 corrosion
rossi gilb stacks up 3/4 vuln > you get 24% susc

[patent root]

I was just in there asking for team comps and shi

[drifting quest]

and then the buffs are just so big you can make any arts dps work

[bronze plume]

theory crafting is for test teams and builds that then are given to the world as these are the good teams and builds

[drifting quest]

rossi + wulf personal damage + any flex you want

[mortal trellis]

being torn is for cowards, real gamers achieve zen and wait for three weeks 🧘‍♂️

[dawn patrol]

4 weeks actually

[potent hornet]

i'm just glad i got my p5/p5 LR waiting for TangTang to come home

[bronze plume]

theorycrafting is the testing and well theorizing side of any game

[restive crescent]

nah this is determining wot current/new units contribute to the meta in a qualitative/quantitative manner

[bronze plume]

like

can we make ardelia dps a thing

[mortal trellis]

fuck i forgot how early we are into yvonne's stupid banner

can she piss off already

[bronze plume]

type shii

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah

[lyric latch]

shouldnt we have her numbers from datamine when the patch actually arrives on the 12th?

[drifting quest]

rossi gilb wulf ardelia

[mortal trellis]

idk how this server handles datamines so idk

[bronze plume]

i swear to god if you say you can make anyone a dps but the question is are they good

[drifting quest]

can chunk a decent amount off ardelia

[potent hornet]

we only have 9 days on yvonne banner

[proud vector]

Probably

[mortal trellis]

also datamines lowkey kinda dedge no?

[drifting quest]

ardelia helps keep the corrosion up

[mortal trellis]

or is it just public leak announcements

[drifting quest]

so its better tha nit looks

[bronze plume]

will this cook

[dawn patrol]

who would you replace gilb with unironically bc ion have gilb

(say i'm fucked)

[neon cave]

ive got it, i finally have info on how long the reception room takes to generate clues

visual numbers recorded from the game
220% (3 random ops) 11hours 6mins 39s (39,999 seconds)
353% (ardelia+estella+akekuri) 6hrs 56mins 39s (24,999 seconds)

observation: there appears to be a roughly 2 second delay from when the timer hits 00:00 to when the timer starts up again to collect a new clue

after doing math using these 2 data points

the base rate for clues was calculated to be either 87996.48 or 87997.8 seconds for 1 clue which is off, they should yield the same number

considering the 2 second delay and possible integer round offs
a new calculation was made with the assumption of 40,000 seconds and 25,000 seconds instead
both yielded to a base rate of 88,000 seconds to collect 1 clue

conclusion
at 100%, generating 1 clue takes 88,000 seconds exactly
the visuals seem to round down or are off by 1 second
there is a 1 second delay between collecting clues (2 seconds by visuals)

~let me know if u find something off with the calculation

[proud vector]

Spoiler tag all of it, never ask or tell where to or how to datamine, only stuff that’s on the publicly available client ok to talk about

Otherwise all good

[bronze plume]

gib applies vuln somehow right?

[restive crescent]

wtf cluetc

[mortal trellis]

holy shit

[edgy crater]

w8, corro maxing?

[patent root]

tbh I suck at math

[dawn patrol]

vuln on ult hooray

[drifting quest]

you can maybe do like
rossi antal perlica ardelia for rossi hyper if her ult number is good enough

or you just put her in the wheelchair and look at the pretty animations

[edgy crater]

da heck

[bronze plume]

so you basically just want

ult off cooldown

holdup

it uses rossi

gib and ardelia

[mortal trellis]

interesting, much more lenient than ako then

[drifting quest]

these comps are reliant on rossi ult being like

[dawn patrol]

tbf i'm sure p5p5 will fix her somehow

[bronze plume]

@bronze plume

[drifting quest]

oh yeah i mean

[dawn patrol]

i'm not sure how but it'll definitely fix her somehow

[drifting quest]

p5p5 you just

blitz it

[bronze plume]

wtf would wolf be running there

[mortal trellis]

wait since youre into nerd testing shit like this, have you tried your hand at figuring out exactly how many valley stock bills you need to sell to someone through elastic goods to get 60/60 credits? my limited testing tells me you need at least 141,000 and at most 143,000

[bronze plume]

is he still a ult bot merchant

[restive crescent]

p5p5 could be dog rn if shes actually meant to synergize with 1.2+

[dawn patrol]

wulf is there for heat app

[drifting quest]

depends on the new gear

[restive crescent]

hah dog.

sry

[proud vector]

He honestly doesn’t have to be in theory

[drifting quest]

no

in this comp its

actually dps wulf stuff

lmao

[bronze plume]

oh hell no

[dawn patrol]

what the fuck

[bronze plume]

wait

[proud vector]

but you want his ult to line up with Rossi if possible for burn

[bronze plume]

that could work

[drifting quest]

its

[twilit quail]

dps wulf is crit gambling

[drifting quest]

better than it sounds

[twilit quail]

therefore bad

[drifting quest]

im telling you

i dont know if its good

but its kinda cooking

[bronze plume]

is wulf dps

a crit dps?

[normal tangle]

wulf ult -> rossi ult -> wulf bs to consume combustion once that finishes or some shit

[dawn patrol]

wulf dps finally viable??

[drifting quest]

kind of yes kind of no

[neon cave]

"to sell someone through elastic goods to get 60/60 credits"? im not sure what ur referring to

[bronze plume]

all wulf needed was his little sister to carry his ass

[twilit quail]

he has to gamble for an at best 30% cr big multiplier hit

[proud vector]

Psychotic behaviour fr fr

[twilit quail]

and if he crits all of them

he can be alright

[bronze plume]

elaborate

[restive crescent]

surely new sets save this

[bronze plume]

surely one of the new sets is just

rossi cracked

[restive crescent]

SURELY

[dawn patrol]

can we rewind time so i can pull for gilb

[drifting quest]

wulf dps is tied to enhanced skill which is kinda a mid ass multiplier so you want to crit it to compensate

but you dont technically have to

[proud vector]

Imagine if Rossi signature gives party wide crit chance on crit lmfao

[dawn patrol]

on crit gives entire team more crit type shit

[bronze plume]

yvonne rossi goes brr fr

[restive crescent]

rossi gives the team +100 cd +50 cr

[drifting quest]

like 4 stack corrosion, 4 stack vuln
gilb ult > rossi ult > wulf enhanced skill
add on the 4th units dps

it kinds slaps

[restive crescent]

yvonne overcaps instantly

[drifting quest]

in your case its like

[leaden tartan]

Just looking at skill efficiency, Rossi is MUCH higher than the average unit. The only struggles are composition and damage type distribution.

[drifting quest]

ardelia ult

[glass birch]

Wouldnt really make sense tbh If anything it'd give Heat DMG% buff when she crits

[drifting quest]

and you also have ardelia buff/debuff

[bronze plume]

Im just saying my ardelia is m12

I have potential for cooking

[mortal trellis]

idk why i can't see the button rn but its usually up here, when people sell goods to you, you earn credits (likely at an exponential ratio) relative to how much stock they earn from selling to you

[lyric latch]

Check footage to see if Rossi gives any buffs to the team

[glass birch]

actually; it's fracture. What other Fracture weapons do we have?

[edgy crater]

u mean the ulti cancel to get 2 cs?

[drifting quest]

artzy

just that

[dawn patrol]

fracture is crit stuff

[drifting quest]

fracture means its conditional is on crit

[restive crescent]

wait theres a fracture weapon that isnt artzy

[proud vector]

From arcane knowledge, her weapon type is ||fracture: a critical set||

[leaden tartan]

I'm just talking about SP per battle effect.

[mortal trellis]

the onyl values i know right now are ~10k for 10 credits, ~40k for 20 credits, and 141k-143k for 60 credits

[glass birch]

So yeah. Crit from something gives Heat DMG%

[glass birch]

I honestly made the guess without knowing that lol

[proud vector]

Is what it is

[dawn patrol]

it's a sad day to be a gilbless rossi fan

[potent hornet]

i'm just excited for TangTang to take over for Wulf in Sky King Flats construction site

[glass birch]

Thats sucks. Parties w/ P2 Gil

[drifting quest]

there's a solid chance p5p5 just raw whale gaps the need to have gilb

[proud vector]

probably tbh lmao

[dawn patrol]

500 dollars to remove the need for gilb 🔥

[neon cave]

oh is it this one?

sorry i dont have any numbers on that, everytime i check it, it's either full 60/60 with a bunch of people or no one at all
and i dont test player-to-player interactions using an alt account so i dont have any data points either

[proud vector]

P5p5 makes content pretty explode

[drifting quest]

its funny because if yvonne and gilb banners were flipped then you could have offrated gilb while pulling rossi

[glass birch]

every hit turns into a crit hit for 5s after a crit

[icy remnant]

How much does p5p5 even have over p0p0

[restive crescent]

max essence already makes content explode rn

[dawn patrol]

if only

[drifting quest]

we dont now potentials info and weapon info isnt out

[dawn smelt]

Yo is 28590oro good enough if im gonna pull for rossi or fangyi?

[proud vector]

You would have seen Rossi kit before gilb banner went away

Fomo is cruel

[icy remnant]

For existing units how much is is worth then?

[mortal trellis]

yup that, i just know its between 141k and 143k, idk the exact number

[glass birch]

p5p5 is what? Like 40% over baseline?

[drifting quest]

differs per unit

[edgy crater]

nah, the banner clearly mean to bait players whale hard on yvonne

[icy remnant]

It doesn’t feel like potentials and weapon dupes do much at all

[glass birch]

For most they really dont

[proud vector]

The humble Khrav

[dawn patrol]

the number forgeborn

[twilit quail]

less in comparison to other games but it's very significant and anyone who tells you otherwise is just lying to you

[mortal trellis]

how much origeometry do you have? do you plan on buying monthly or t3 pass? how many AIC quotas do you have? what's your current 6* pity counter at?

[dawn patrol]

fuck i can;t spekk today

[mortal trellis]

i can tell you your chances if you can answer those questions but thats about it

[neon cave]

welp, time for me to save that number for future reference XD

[dawn patrol]

whatever you know what i meant

[icy remnant]

My only line of comparison is other games when you realise these things can cost thousands of dollars

[restive crescent]

tbf

we are in 1.x

[dawn patrol]

can't wait for 2.0 to drop and powercreep every existing unit

[mortal trellis]

feel free to ping me if you have any updates from testing

[proud vector]

Ok on the other hand

Looks like we aren’t getting hit with immediate powercreep

Tang2 and Rossi feel like sidegrades or completely different teams and don’t outright replace operators 1:1

[dawn smelt]

I lowkey didn't pull for yvonne since i dont have a team for her, i have 36 origom and no aic qouta i spent it all when i was pulling for laevatain

[dawn patrol]

cough cough sloprail cough cough

[bronze plume]

Wait for rossi, gib, wulf, ard what tf we doing about sp

[mortal trellis]

how many operators do you own then? we'll get an AIC quota boost from that

[twilit quail]

you think it doesnt cost four digits in this game?

[mortal trellis]

also lmk if youre buying monthly/t3 pass

[icy remnant]

? Wasn’t my sentence saying exactly that it costs thousands of dollars

What

[drifting quest]

Wulfgard ult prestacked makes it pretty cheap

Not prestacked wulf ult bricks the team

Since its a 1rot nuke thing

[neon cave]

will let u know if i find something out, maybe if i can get a friend to test it with me when wee're both free, but i typically dont prioritize mechanics that rely on other players to do something since it isnt guaranteed

[dawn patrol]

but shuo the real shit is that like

[icy remnant]

Idk man my sentence is pretty straight forward

[normal tangle]

so basically trim-only comp

[leaden tartan]

I guess there's a chance than it is Pog that ends up being the vulnerability consumer depending on her battle skill numbers... not arts intensity pog, though. Maybe one of the new sets.

[normal tangle]

🔥

[dawn patrol]

whale gap aside gilb is very useful bc she applies vuln on ult and cs lmao

[bronze plume]

Oh... so you have to already hace his ult

[dawn patrol]

wtf do you do for vuln without gilb

[dawn smelt]

All Total or just 6 star? If 6 star only i have lae, prograr, gilberta, ardelia, last rite and lifeng

[mortal trellis]

i mean thats fair, i'm just doing it so i can skimp out on like 2-3k valley stock per day while minmaxxing credits which is hella bum

[feral fractal]

ok so my only conclusion is that rossi is made for double carry lineups

[drifting quest]

If you're doing arts based rossi, why do you care about vuln if not for gilb

[dawn patrol]

don't say rossi bs i might crash out

[mortal trellis]

all total, and i really need to know if you plan on buying monthly/t3 pass

[ocean hawk]

bruh, someone thought that invisible rodhagn is intended phase

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1rh3s2m/help_how_do_i_trim_rhodagn_in_his_invisible_state/

[dawn patrol]

rossi bs conditional

[icy remnant]

But yea if let’s say we compare using Laev
How much does p5p5 have over p0p0?

[dawn patrol]

💔

[dawn smelt]

I dont lol it wont let me

[normal tangle]

what even is arts based rossi

she doesn't do anything for arts

[drifting quest]

Its arts based rossi you're not too fussed about her physical damage stuff

[potent hornet]

i'm pretty sure that was /s

[mortal trellis]

damn, how many total ops then

[normal tangle]

rossi maindps or something?

[drifting quest]

Ult nuke stuff

[potent hornet]

i hope rossi is a main dps

[dawn smelt]

Lemme check

[dawn patrol]

it's looking pretty bleak

hg make rossi a competent hypercarry and my life is yours

[potent hornet]

well so far yvonne was released without proper support but still works when built properly and you know what you are doing

i'm thinking Rossi is gonna be the same

[drifting quest]

Everything works

[potent hornet]

we will probably have to wait it out for her other pieces

[drifting quest]

Game is easy

[dawn patrol]

can't wait for rossi dedicated support

[normal tangle]

works properly is an interesting descriptor to use

[dawn smelt]

21 total

[normal tangle]

she like only kinda works sometimes

[mortal trellis]

alr one second

[normal tangle]

like a ran through charger that you have to hold a certain way

[feral fractal]

Idk if rossi can work as a main dps/hyper carry cus she needs someone to consume the vuln stacks she generates

[normal tangle]

just pogra

[potent hornet]

you mean in a perfect evironment that you can set up pretty much 90-100% of the time

[normal tangle]

surely her phys DoT is 80% of her dps

surely

[potent hornet]

like every other giga dmg video out there

[dawn patrol]

can't wait for a hypercarry that doesn't rely on ult to do damage

[mortal trellis]

we're not 100% when fangyi is coming, do you plan on pulling for both or just one or the other?

[potent hornet]

catcher 6*

[drifting quest]

I am a bit sick of every single limited unit having so much of their kits power gated to ult

[proud vector]

Riiight?

[drifting quest]

Hoping 1.2+ gives variety in that aspect

[leaden tartan]

If her battle skill damage is very high relative to her ultimate damage, then yes, you will use Pog for the boost and sp return. I don't think that is a super likely outcome, but it is a possible one.

[normal tangle]

is tang^2 gated to ult?

it didn't seem like it

[feral fractal]

laevatain BS nuke

[dawn smelt]

I messed up my oro lol its 29095. And if fangy will take a whilw to release then ill js get rossi

[edgy crater]

btw, do we have any news bout bird enemies on umbral 3? is it same as beta one?

[potent hornet]

we have so many new gear pieces to work with as well that those alone might end up enabling some characters more into a main dps realm

[normal tangle]

fangyi is likely 1.2 or 1.3

[terse valley]

tang squared 😭

[dawn patrol]

still an ult gated unit

[drifting quest]

Her ult is her main source of inflictions and suscept for free, utility to help yvonne and lr combo, qol for like xaihi, etc

[feral fractal]

everyone is an ult merchant

[drifting quest]

Decent chunk of her damage it looks like too

[dawn patrol]

bs does more damage in ult and ult normals are also a huge chunk of damage

[potent hornet]

play LR cs spam

[mortal trellis]

alr your chances on just rossi are over 50% if that makes you feel good lmao
roughly 70%-ish but no guarantees, it will be higher if you plan on farming all of the one-time expansion resources

[bronze plume]

do you think
rossi, gib, ardelia, pog/ake
could work?

[potent hornet]

with TangTang coming its a real possibility

[normal tangle]

oh it looks more like stacking combo skills into battle skill

[dawn smelt]

Tbh thats good enough

[normal tangle]

maybe i just can't see

[drifting quest]

Why run pog

[dawn patrol]

is ake just there as a link bot

[mortal trellis]

@dawn smelt i think if you 100% the new content before rossi actually, you'll get enough pulls to gaurantee her

[bronze plume]

idk i just want a vanguard

[lyric latch]

LR CS really does bonkers dmg

[drifting quest]

Run ake then

[bronze plume]

me like sp

[drifting quest]

Link rossi ult

Get sp

[signal sundial]

Can someone explain why the expected number of rolls for a rate up is 81 when I clearly spent 120

[dawn patrol]

rossi/wulf/ake/ard am i cooking

[bronze plume]

because averages

[bronze plume]

how are you getting vuln

or are you just not

[normal tangle]

the 81 figure is over a long-term average

[dawn patrol]

nvm that's just laev team but with rossi put in, pack it up

[normal tangle]

some earlies, some hardpities

[dusky maple]

That's one team I'm considering for Rossi. it might work, but idk.

[drifting quest]

Tldr expected value isnt 80

[signal sundial]

I'm half joking about the 120 part but I'm not sure how the 50/50 plays into the 81 number

[dawn smelt]

Ive been lowkey saving up for the past week i finished all mission and chest only thing left is aurelyn

[dawn patrol]

i'm assuming you play for ult dmg with hypercarry rossi in which case vuln just doesn't matter

or wait no

[bold rose]

Yvonne Tangtang Xaihi Gilb looks like the new team but then do you sacrifice Stanza if no Perlica
or do you put it on Gilb sacrificing her sig

[dawn patrol]

you still need to apply clawmark

[drifting quest]

It sucks that we prob wont get any numbers until the patch releases

[mortal trellis]

yea if you are a grinder then you'll be 100% fine, dont worry

[dawn patrol]

[feral fractal]

put rossi in a double carry team. problem solved

[bronze plume]

having to play around just not using a part of a characters kit in a team

[dawn smelt]

Bet. Thanks

[bronze plume]

just feels so ass

[dawn patrol]

it's ok rossi bs applies vuln

problem solvbed

[wanton notch]

That's probably only team I can think of that can work (Ake over Pog).

Like it's hard ti justify running Rossi as part of any other team except the one that she is main dps

[proud vector]

^

[normal tangle]

hard pitied laeva, still have this much +10 chartered

there are more than enough resources rn

[wanton notch]

Watch Rossi having classic

350%
300%
1100%

[proud vector]

Honestly that would be good if talent 2 was 100% on crit