theorycrafting

[tight haven]

yeah

[drifting quest]

it's also

[summer flower]

how strong is ususally breach?

[tight haven]

it's just low.

that's it

[drifting quest]

the 80% is favourable conditions for bp over sig

[tight haven]

if it works for you it works for you

[summer flower]

in terms of phys damage increased?

[glass wind]

Iirc its a debuff

[drifting quest]

practical cases it can be worse than 80%

[gaunt mason]

with a pog arts int build? like 40% dmg taken with thermite and pulsar

[summer flower]

just breach part

not some extra from weapon

[lilac bloom]

i wish i could dub this over in a voice note 😭 oh my god

[summer flower]

yea so its 40% expected?

[ashen scroll]

so you saying you dont need to use your arsenal token if you did 150 pulls? that kinda too crazy to be true

[icy remnant]

But yea I liked Laevs BP weapon personally

I guess we don't really have content that screams at me to want her Sig

[glass wind]

30 seconds debuff is crazy but waste of stacks

[elder skiff]

if u don’t mind buying 2 bps just to max out the bp weapon to reach 80% at max, might as well roll the sig lmao

[summer flower]

guys... 40%...

[gaunt mason]

with unartificed pulsar and no arts int from the weapon yeah

[lyric shard]

Ngl not a waste of stack imo cause there's also Arts Intensity to bump the dmg mult up

[tight haven]

yeah then you use arsenals basically only to get weapon pots

[icy remnant]

It's 80% max..?

[summer flower]

if its 40%

[tight haven]

it would be nice but lmao

[lyric shard]

6s extra can come useful

[summer flower]

when it comes to just crush dmg....

[tight haven]

i doubt anything similar would ever happen

[icy remnant]

I really doubt it's only 80% at max pot

[drifting quest]

no this is p0

[icy remnant]

Did you pull that outta your butt @elder skiff

[drifting quest]

p5 can be 85-90% in ideal situations

[icy remnant]

[elder skiff]

fuck

[drifting quest]

but again ideal situations

[glass wind]

Would you have enough SP tho?

[tight haven]

"ideal situations" here is dependent on ideal gear and rotations

[summer flower]

its 250 + 750x2 +600

[tight haven]

and also enemies playing along

[drifting quest]

practical scenarios it is usually lower

[summer flower]

hmmm

wait no, cause its 4/3/4 isnt it?

[drifting quest]

and i mean like

[summer flower]

wait that's tight not counting rest of dmg

[warm galleon]

Her best team on 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4 trust

[drifting quest]

overutilising bp underutilising sig

[potent hornet]

i mean we can speculate all we want but with new gear and no idea on multipliers for the new character we have no clue what is going to be good in 1.1

[lyric shard]

What are you calculating lmao

[glass wind]

Whats the multiplier for Crush + Shatter?

[gaunt mason]

yes
remember that damage from phys statuses have a hidden multiplier. 1.227 for level 90 operators

[summer flower]

this @lyric shard

[elder skiff]

so high roll situation for bp is just a fraction of low roll situation for sig?

[icy remnant]

Anyways my baseline is 80% is really good for a free weapon
85-90% is crazy to me for a BP but I guess if it's not consistent then eh

Anyways Laev isn't as fun as Phys

[drifting quest]

somewhat

[elder skiff]

that’s actually worse than i thought

[glass wind]

Shatter not Breach

[summer flower]

its same for crush and breach that lv multiplier

[lyric shard]

Oh hm

[craggy pond]

i will argue that the standard made for another game shouldn't be used as a benchmark for this game. With how the game was designed with the arsenal tickets return system, and how it's supposed to reduce people's fatigue from pulling weapon banners, i don't think it's healthy to force people to get something they don't want only to get the extra thing that comes with it.

It's like arsenal tickets being a buy 1 get 1 free exclusive thing. If i want to get only that "free" thing, I don't want to have waste my money on something i initially don't wanna buy just to get it. "Stop complaining, at least it's cheaper to do it here than at other supermarkets" is not quite a valid argument here because it's utterly stupid that I can't spend my money only on what i wanna get and nothing else.

[drifting quest]

it differs a lot per gear, per team, per rotation

so its very hard to give an exact (this weapon is x% better or worse)

[glass wind]

Seen people use Endmin with shatter

[drifting quest]

like depending on calcs bp can be anywhere from 40% to 5% worse

[lyric shard]

Shatter here

[summer flower]

that's 1k%

[sharp gulch]

is the new tangtang 6 or 5 star

[summer flower]

ohh

[tight haven]

not a fraction, thats too strong of language

[drifting berry]

What yall think?

[tight haven]

its like... typically 12% worse

if you average it out

[lyric shard]

6*

[elder skiff]

ic ic

[tight haven]

its meaningfully worse but the op doesnt suddenly play way differently and suck to use

except for gilb

because her sig has ult eff L

[sharp gulch]

whos no. 2 and no. 3

[drifting quest]

probably onto something if only because dropping mifu and fangyi together, if both are electric, would be doomed

[sharp gulch]

pink hair

[lyric shard]

You're losing out on Breach and other stuff Monophys gets to enjoy tho

[glass wind]

Tangtang, Rosi together with Endmin and Alesh on shatter comp.

[tight haven]

but her sig is usually worse than stanza at p0 anyway

[icy remnant]

Mathematically it's just an upgrade but I see where you're coming from

Ideal scenario would be if they let us use Oreberyls for weapons directly but people will probably complain even with that

[summer flower]

is it more tho?

how many shatter can fit in 4/3/4?

[ashen scroll]

its great comment but they used to get beaten so its no use , bro gone primal there no fixing

[elder skiff]

ideal actually would be you can be able to directly convert oroberyls into arsenal currency to fill in the amount that you lack after you get the characters

[icy remnant]

Isn't that what I said

[gaunt mason]

shatter doesn't work like that btw
you use alesh to force solidification. unless stated otherwise solidification is always a level 1 status

[elder skiff]

i gen thought when you say using oro to pull for weps mean the removal of ars lmao

my bad g

[glass birch]

Swap fangyi and the right 2 and you've got it

[summer flower]

i'm not talking about shatter team from sheet

[sharp gulch]

whos this pink hair, is it the same electro girl from story

[elder skiff]

mi fu

[glass birch]

Mi fu

[lyric shard]

Probably not as much due to the fact that you won't have Lifeng's ult to do 2 stacks and such
I haven't done the math tho, maybe someone will do it to prove that shatter is better idk

[summer flower]

?

what

[gaunt mason]

are you trying to do tangtang shatter or something??

[sharp gulch]

ah yes mi fu thanks

[glass wind]

Wait Alesh on 4 stack cryo infliction is the same as 1 stack cryo?

[elder skiff]

see that mommy-like appearance of mi fu and fangyi, they are gonna dominate the meta

[craggy pond]

ngl i would be happy with that as long as the conversion rate is reasonable

[lyric shard]

My brain is not braining

[summer flower]

no, i'm considering if going shatter for full solidifcation makes sense

[noble tapir]

Only for Yvonne afaik

[lyric shard]

Probably not tbh

[gaunt mason]

you can calc the sp required for that

it doesn't make sense

[lyric shard]

Cause you need a lot of Cryo infliction

[summer flower]

single cryo

[lyric shard]

Before popping Alesh CS

[summer flower]

4 different infliction

right?

[ashen scroll]

fundamentaly the same , its just either use orobery directly or convert it into token , but i bet he will argue its not what he said and just ignore your point

[gaunt mason]

it has to be 4 of the same infliction other than cryo

where are you going to get all that from

[glass birch]

Fluorite

[summer flower]

yea, i would need to research inflictions on setup

[gaunt mason]

once a year maybe

[summer flower]

long CD

[gaunt mason]

[sharp gulch]

they changing smthn about gacha system?

[glass birch]

[lyric shard]

I think Alesh can force solid

[summer flower]

like that long CD might be too much

[gaunt mason]

forcing solid is a level 1 thing

it can't go higher

[glass wind]

[elder skiff]

he made the same point, i just misinterpreted it lmao

[gaunt mason]

unless explicitly stated

[lyric shard]

Yep Alesh can force solid with his BS

But like

It can't go above 1

So yeah

Just not worth it

[summer flower]

yea but its different idea

[glass wind]

How bout Yvonne's?

[summer flower]

i'm 4pulls from guarantee on that

[glass birch]

40s base, 34s with frontier set effect, reduces by 1s on a 1s cooldown when nature or cryo is applied. Its ~30s at p5 every rotation so as long as your rotation is longer than 30s youre fine or do it every other rotation

[gaunt mason]

if the skill states that a reaction is forcibly applied it's always level one unless stated otherwise

[summer flower]

yea, but it comes to twice 15sec cooldown on other skills

so use case when in that timing you are getting to like half infliction per shatter

[glass birch]

What other combos apply nature or cryo aside from maybe xaihi?

[lyric shard]

Do we even have any case where it forcibly inflicts more than lv1

[summer flower]

antal has one

[gaunt mason]

xaihi needs a skill to apply tho

[summer flower]

where its any infliction copied

[ebon thicket]

Is tangtang an Yvonne or Last Rite support? Who is she for

[lyric shard]

Both

[drifting quest]

Both, moreso yvonne

[summer flower]

forgot cooldown lemme check

[gaunt mason]

one of perlica's potentials upgrades it to level 2

[lyric shard]

Ohhh

[glass birch]

Yeah but for shatter? Antal is major cope since he only buffs elec and heat

[drifting quest]

Targetted yvonne support that also benefits last rite

[ebon thicket]

Does she fix Yvonne or is Yvonne still kinda cooked

[glass wind]

The using different element would be better then slap Tangtang's cryo for higher level solidificafion then?

[lyric shard]

Kinda

[summer flower]

24s at max a bit slow

[teal pawn]

turboass conversion rate

[drifting quest]

Does a lot to fix issues tbh, still has some but a lot are helped

[quaint matrix]

will tang-tang save yvonne?

[noble tapir]

Yvonne’s bs forced solidification states its level based on number of stacks consumed

[drifting quest]

The biggest yvonne issues are solved

[potent hornet]

how do people still think yvonne is bad in her current state

[ebon thicket]

Does Yvonne theoretically perform better than last rite now

[lyric shard]

Last Rite nuke is still a monster

[glass wind]

?

[drifting quest]

Its relative not objective thats why

Yvonne is bad RELATIVE to other units

[oak vigil]

I am still baffled that his thing about CS is that his “physical copy if physical triggered it” part from it legit only good for Gilby looool

[lyric shard]

Miss an entire ult trying to hit LB Assassins award

[glass wind]

Why you replying to me?

[ebon thicket]

Will her DPS pass last rite or no

[summer flower]

wait

[noble tapir]

Yvonne will still probably have some issues with ult efficiency, even with tangtang, I reckon

[summer flower]

yvonne combo skill

[drifting quest]

Impossible to say

[summer flower]

what is that

[ashen scroll]

yvone are STILL belong to growth chamber

[summer flower]

wait, so 4/1/4 shatter?

[noble tapir]

We have 0 numbers on tangtang. It’s just guesswork based on animations and brief skill descriptions

[granite marten]

so does tangtang replace alesh for yvonne/xaihi/gilb

[noble tapir]

Probably, yeah

[icy remnant]

I wish theyd let us know what weapon she has so we can farm for its essence early

[drifting quest]

You can trust datamine

Or not

[glass wind]

Wait Tangtang can give SP?

[warm galleon]

Return, like snow/lr

May be

[icy remnant]

Wah the detonate one?

[glass birch]

Its refund yeah. Like 15sp per waterspout

[potent hornet]

its gonna be locked behind an new energy alluvium

[lyric shard]

Return is sad

[summer flower]

hmmm.... 4/1 shatter is what... 1.4k

[elder skiff]

the only info we have is legit sus leaks

[lilac bloom]

my only issue with tangtang is not even her fault its the fact i dont have last rite's chuddy ass weapon

[icy remnant]

I'm hoping MiFu has a generic weapon for broadswords

[lilac bloom]

genuinely feels like itll take me years before i have a good opportunity to get it

[unreal light]

Okay I did a little electric countdown thermite Arclight does more damage than 12 questions Arclight, just because thermite provides more atk

Teammates also get a nice boost of free +atk

[icy remnant]

Then I can use her weapon for both MiFu and Last Rite hopefully

[modern swift]

real only reason I haven't built her when she's near max pot...I got ZERO weapon pulls

[summer flower]

ehh, isnt antal different weapon?

not thermite cutter?

not one handed swords?

[unreal light]

10% difference between 12q and thermite team dps, a span of 52 sec

[summer flower]

nvm

[unreal light]

Bro does his best

[summer flower]

its arclight not antal

ehh

[icy remnant]

Just let MiFus weapon either have Strength main as well or Main attribute
And let her have Attack secondary and a passive that can be triggered by everyone

And then it becomes Last rites weapon

[shut cobalt]

do we know anything about tangtang/rossi best teams based on the information they provided or not?

[icy remnant]

[glass wind]

Tangtang's kit reminds me of Mona for some reason

[quaint matrix]

what buffs tang-tang provides? the stun is op but what the other ones?

[icy remnant]

TangTang is neat

[daring dove]

Pretty extreme levels of cope from this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz-8RPXxTtE

[unreal light]

She does indeed splash water

[lilac bloom]

tangtang is prolly best for last rite and yvonne teams, rossi is cooked

[icy remnant]

Cryo infliction and Arts susceptibility

Rossi slander

[modern swift]

yeah its called clickbait

[daring dove]

Suggesting Rossi is a better pull than Tangtang because you can run her with Gilbert in a PHY team.

[elder skiff]

tangtang most likely cryo, but we need more info on rossi because it’s kind of bizarre if just basing off the info they provided

[summer flower]

eh... i was running two carries in team way before

avy + endmin

[glass wind]

Rossi is not cooked. She does the cooking with her ult.

[lilac bloom]

rossi is missing someone who does arts damage in order to capitalize on her and gilberta's vuln stack

[noble tapir]

You can use Gilberta’s ult buff bro!

[lilac bloom]

we need arts crush

[ashen scroll]

my only issue with new update is they giving more subAic while our second one barely used , so i assume there is ALOT new mining nodes ,that also mean i had to spend hours to optimize wuling base

[unreal light]

@drifting quest Hi, please give me your best avywenna akekuri rotation

[shut cobalt]

i c i c, thanks

[glass birch]

Rossi's just a new team

She's not a support

[modern swift]

which 2 units are you going to replace in a phys team....lifeng is already better than her...and then replacing chen would mean u need to replace 2 units so gg

[lilac bloom]

rossi is a new team but without gilberta shes chopped

[summer flower]

rossi new team or used for vunl applicator dps (like chen)

[glass wind]

Rossi can work with Perlica

[ashen scroll]

and why is this?

[noble tapir]

I just hope alongside cuprium ore they add some more ferrium ore

[elder skiff]

the issue with that is that if the archetype is powercrept, that unit is not usable for other teams because of how specific it is

[ebon thicket]

Wait why? I thought pogra Rossi Chen was supposed to be physical core?

[glass birch]

Also we dont know if rossi's talent 2 does heat damage or phys dmg. It could be phys dmg

[lilac bloom]

??????

no

[daring dove]

But then you can use Gilberta ult to provide arts susceptibility for your PHY team think about it!

[modest thorn]

new tech is yvonne laevatain last rite and catcher

quote me on that

[icy remnant]

Rossi has the ability to convert all afflictions into Vuln stacks
It can be something that just randomly becomes OP af because they release some unit like Xiangling

[lilac bloom]

rossi ult is heat damage and in phys she would be your only source of heat app

[ebon thicket]

Explain then big boy

[lilac bloom]

so her 3 vuln is locked behind her ult

IM TRYING BITCH

DAMN

[modern swift]

no? even lifeng cooks rossi, bc he does Link, phys suscp, vuln, and good stagger, and rossi only does vuln (she can proc with ult but like does nothing else)

[lilac bloom]

^

[glass wind]

Rossi can be good for upcoming Physical DPSs in the future. Shes future proof

[summer flower]

no stagger numbers

[elder skiff]

hey rossi has phys dmg taken too! i have to protect my potential child

[summer flower]

lifeng stagger comes from Basics

[lilac bloom]

she doesnt replace chen either bc lifeng + chen is enough vuln for tbe phys team and chen's ult is much higher value since it capitalizes off of every damage bonus in the phys team

[modern swift]

his ult does really good stagger wdym

[summer flower]

how much?

[ashen scroll]

sometimes i feel bad for lifeng ~_~ what do you mean "Even Lifeng"

[quaint matrix]

imo tang-tang is kinda cool sup with op aoe stun but rossi is imo meh

[lilac bloom]

rossi ult is pure heat damage so it only gets boosted from her own amp

[summer flower]

claim according to lifeng stagger being good

was based on attack sequence and final strike stagger

[modern swift]

enough to stagger chain agglemorai with pog and other units and make her never stand is how good

[elder skiff]

lifeng slander because he’s not a girl

[gaunt mason]

right? comparing my goat to r*ssi

[summer flower]

lifeng slander cause i dont have that operator

[icy remnant]

Nah get that dude out of my team

[ebon thicket]

Confused why would Big Gryph make a physical DPS do anything besides physical dmg, why randomly add fire

[lilac bloom]

she isnt a phys dps thats the thing

[icy remnant]

It's trying to make a hybrid team

[lilac bloom]

shes really fucking weird

[summer flower]

how much stagger is that?

15?

[glass wind]

Rossi can stack 3 vulnerability stacks easily.

[modern swift]

hybrid team and she's still mid in phys shatter, mf eating every arts infliction 🥀

[ebon thicket]

Welp pogra getting benched until a proper physical DPS that isn’t endmin or lifeng tier comes out

[fading fog]

ngl rossi ult being heat sucks cuz I can't put rapid ascent on her in good conscience

[lilac bloom]

10 if you dont link his ult which you shouldnt rly link him when endmin/dapan/chen are on the same team

[glass birch]

As long as there's infliction present

[lilac bloom]

??

[noble tapir]

Lifeng would be such a good mainfield character if his skill didn't take 3 fucking years to finish

[tight haven]

lol

[summer flower]

so much stagger then ?

[lilac bloom]

what do you think the phys team is rn???

[summer flower]

ehh its not much

10 stagger on ultimate

[glass wind]

Just need 1. 👍

[drifting quest]

there's no such thing as a 'best' rotation as I said before, the idea alone just doesnt make sense

I haven't had time to end axis one since i have had other priorities but you can yoink the stuff done here and have it be pretty accurate for 0 energy start stuff that's relatively spammable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2jhcNAlrtQ

[glass birch]

Which you might get every once in a bluemoon

[icy remnant]

Anyways Rossi is its own Archetype
The kind that can randomly be broken because they randomly decide to release XingQue/Xiangling tier of inflictions

[quaint matrix]

what abt new gear? is it better?

[noble tapir]

Anyway he's still better than Rossi in physical team because of link and phys susc

[lilac bloom]

^

[ashen scroll]

lifeng have quilon blood in him mind you , even if he suboptimal , less than a man (boy) , and not particularly good or must have combat wise , but to slander him too much is just not fair

[glass birch]

No stats were shown so no one knows

[summer flower]

link and susc depends on stats

[ebon thicket]

Endmin lifeng pogra Chen, but when I play any team I need a healer so I need a phys do that can replace Endmin+lifeng at once

[summer flower]

cause rossi also has buff for phsycial

debuff that is i think

[lilac bloom]

ember :/

[summer flower]

or is it buff for team forgot

[lilac bloom]

if you need a healer that bad

[teal pawn]

it's just damage taken

[summer flower]

so far lifeng only has benefit of freaking link

rest is math dependent

[icy remnant]

Lifeng Xiranite being good makes me cry

[quaint matrix]

wow underground pipelines. we're 1 step closer to factorio

[icy remnant]

Just release a unit that kicks him out already

[lilac bloom]

idk why you would bc outside of umbral monument you get tacticals and even in umbral i think damage isnt high enough from enemies to rly need it besides in agony stage 2 of the first umbral monument

[summer flower]

TRAINS

[tight haven]

lifeng doesnt use xiranite because his damage is bad and he should use xiranite

[lilac bloom]

sustain in this game is rly unecessary

[tight haven]

he uses xiranite because his damage is good and he synergizes well with ult spam

he's good DESPITE using xiranite

[lilac bloom]

yea this is true

[modern swift]

wrong he also has the benefit of being a femboy

[lilac bloom]

his dmg is genuinely fine

[quaint matrix]

imo i don't want funny kek xdd characters like tang-tang or lolies like rossi. give me grown ass female mommy-type characters or some bad ass dude with gargantual 3 hand sword or double greatswords

[noble tapir]

You also can switch to stagger set and do comparably well

[lilac bloom]

he isnt a femboy?

[elder skiff]

lifeng needs to be powercrept because he’s a guy

[modern swift]

nah he is wdym

[icy remnant]

He has a passive that uses trash stats so he actually gets decent stats from Xiranite

[quaint matrix]

nah,aic area is so small you will never need trains

[ebon thicket]

He uses xiranite cuz he’s fem

[noble tapir]

Just you wait

[lilac bloom]

if you think lifeng is a femboy you have an insane porn addiction im sorry

[summer flower]

who said they'll be needed? they are wanted

[tight haven]

mfs will look at a teenager and go "that's a femboy" what are we doing

[faint fiber]

I really dislike this system of combat tbh, it feels gimmicky

[modern swift]

?I have a bl addiction

[lilac bloom]

:/

[elder skiff]

that’s not better but sure

[ashen scroll]

not all people are based and having good taste, and that is okay . . . inferior scrap of humanity can exist too

[quaint matrix]

i think this game is not worked around gigantic factories. i hope so but like factorio engine can optimally run a map with millions of objects while this game struggles when you just fill valley-4 main factory

[modern swift]

no they need pdf bait characters to make money off em 💀

[drifting quest]

stop being weird bro

[gaunt mason]

bro

[lilac bloom]

if you think rossi is pedophile bait you are projecting

genuinely

[noble tapir]

"this game is not worked around gigantic factories" YET.

[summer flower]

guys, should i finish ember wtih stamina items or just do it slowly?

[lilac bloom]

can we clear comms

holy shit

[drifting quest]

genuinely just so offputting

irl cringe inducing

[lilac bloom]

fuck

SOUP SOUP CRYO

how bad is SoDL on last rite

[drifting quest]

soup = water based food
water = cryo

[summer flower]

EMBER BEST DEFENDER

[quaint matrix]

this is a good point. like wow devs said : "we will never add housing our engine is not capable of that feature" and now 15 years later we have housing. just had to wait....a little bit

[modern swift]

Its true though you don't know how many people I've seen saying rossi is their wife or with sobbing emoji's a truth you can deny if you want, but a truth nonetheless

[gaunt mason]

free stew meetings for everyone

[lilac bloom]

i wanna pull tangtang for the aura but i dont have kravvy

[elder skiff]

skipping tangtang and rossi for mi fu and fangyi, adult-looking chars have always been more meta from my exp

[glass wind]

Can we talk about theorycrafting. You guys going off topic

[gaunt mason]

pull tangtang and use the arsenal tickets you get from that on khrav

[drifting quest]

is there any (genuine) tech people have thought up for rossi teams

im at a loss for how to make this unit work

[lilac bloom]

is it worth pulling on the standard wep specific banners? those arent limited right

[gaunt mason]

i thought of gilb perlica wulf

[elder skiff]

cooking up with imaginary kit

[drifting quest]

every team comp just feels so damn cope

[lilac bloom]

like you can get spooked by mountain bearer

[gaunt mason]

but the more i think about it

the worse it sounds

[noble tapir]

I'm actually pretty confident that Tangtang's weapon is going to be dps pilled since they mentioned she can be a dps

[icy remnant]

???

[faint fiber]

Like I'm beating Agony but I kind of hate how I have to do it

[drifting quest]

i think something like this might simply be best

[faint fiber]

Gimmicky bullshit

[icy remnant]

No you can't

[lilac bloom]

gilberta seems like the only character with any synergy

[honest hill]

problem w Last Rite she really needs Kravvy

[lilac bloom]

oh theyre exclusive weps?

[gaunt mason]

the standard character sigs work just like limited sig banners but permanent

[lilac bloom]

ohhhh ok

[drifting quest]

even gilb synergy is actually super shaky when you look at it

[gaunt mason]

i wanna see her multis

[glass wind]

Im thinking of using Rossi Endmin, Pog and Snowshine

[icy remnant]

Yes, they're all signature weapons
Valiant is better imo since it saves your rolls

[lyric latch]

I am lowkey hoping her weapon applies Cryo Sus so LR ult multiplies it by 1.5

[lilac bloom]

yrah its shaky bc there isnt much payoff and rossi only hits 1 target

its kinda chopped rn

[gaunt mason]

her best chance might be to stack corrosion + elec and use that to supercharge ult damage

with wulf as moral support ig

[lilac bloom]

i genuinely think we'll see an arts damage dealer that consumes vuln stacks for damage, maybe mi fu?

[drifting quest]

i mean like rossi doesnt ever proc gilb combo unless you apply combustion or corrosion by ult

so you cant even really use them as a good pairing

[ashen scroll]

even if she not the exact fit she pretty good tho . . . rossi in other hand

[lilac bloom]

wulfgard maybe?

[gaunt mason]

yeah kinda feels like she was made for cbt wulf

[elder skiff]

so rossi best team is heat last rite team

[drifting quest]

wulfgard has the issue of being a do nothing unit on his own

[noble tapir]

I'd like more support weapon options, so I wouldn't mind being wrong, but I have this Pog sig vs. Thermite type feeling with her

[quaint matrix]

i dunno i have 240 pulls saved i wanna fulfill my gamba addiction but these characters bro.... i want someone like you know. a grown ass man or woman with some dark backstory like frost nova or talulah you know? or some jacked up giga brutal dude. wolfguard is like cheap dante and i want something more

[drifting quest]

and what does stacking heat really do for you

[lilac bloom]

hm

[noble tapir]

Not that pistols have a weapon as good as Thermite available to them

[drifting quest]

like maybe you stack heat to apply 4 stack corrosion by gilb

[noble tapir]

or blasters, or whatever the fuck they'rer called

[drifting quest]

and ignore vuln stuff entirely

[lilac bloom]

rossi shouldve had link so that she can use thermite

[icy remnant]

Hellagur
Too bad he's free

[drifting quest]

but then your entire damage profile is on ult and your dps is a worse yvonne

[lilac bloom]

yeah :/

[noble tapir]

You say worse yvonne but her numbers could be super fucking bloated

[drifting quest]

they would have to be

[glass wind]

I dont even think Rossi needs Gilberta. Other inflictions can work. Physical team dont even need Gilberta since Pog and Lifeng can move enemies

[drifting quest]

so unbelievably bloated

[lilac bloom]

again, i really think her and gilberta will have some unit release to pay off the hybrid vuln stacking

[icy remnant]

What if I just ignore Rossi's Ult

[drifting quest]

that we cry about powercreep

[noble tapir]

Yeah, that's true

[lilac bloom]

she is a worse chen

[elder skiff]

ignoring rossi’s ult = ignoring rossi

[gaunt mason]

would have to be for her to even be semi viable with the chars we have rn

[quaint matrix]

he's fine but i want someone like geshulin from wuwa. the edgelord man

[noble tapir]

Even wuwa doesn't get Geshu Lin

[icy remnant]

Oh that guy is still busy being the antagonist right now

You probably need to wait a few months

[lilac bloom]

ardashir?

[glass wind]

Rossi's Skills might have more damage she can dish out multiple times than her ult since it also have passive debuff

[noble tapir]

does he know.png

[icy remnant]

Yep

[quaint matrix]

like even the main evil guy in arknights endfield is some 17y.o boy even he's probably immortal but he has no aura

[lilac bloom]

idk if he will be playable until a very long time

[ashen scroll]

that what ive been doing to Ardelia

[gaunt mason]

dev log said she mainly deals damage through ult

we'll see when the numbers release

[lilac bloom]

priestess?

[gaunt mason]

but don't get your hopes up

[lilac bloom]

oh

[quaint matrix]

nah in endfield. the white haired dude

[lilac bloom]

ardashir is not a 17 year old boy what 😭

[quaint matrix]

i forgot his name

[noble tapir]

He's an eternally 17 year old boy

[gaunt mason]

kill him

[ashen scroll]

ardashir lowk looks like mephisto .. . i just hope he not start singing out of nowhere

[quaint matrix]

he looks like he's just graduated from univesity at most. he looks very young

[glass wind]

I mean Edmin can deal alot of dmg with her skills cos it has Crush. Rossi got Lift on her skills iirc

[icy remnant]

Blue eyes
White hair
6ft
His name?
Satoru Gojo

[drifting quest]

The endministrator is the strongest in terms of originium control
with the exception of Aradashir

[noble tapir]

Yeah but that's not endmin's skill doing the damage, that's crush

[sterile herald]

what new gear are we getting 1.1?

[gaunt mason]

we've already discussed this
unless her multipliers are stupidly overtuned there's no way she's more optimal for any existing team

[lilac bloom]

he's eternally 20+ year old weird co worker who you dont hate but he just says bizzare shit

[drifting quest]

new pieces for most sets

[lilac bloom]

thats how i see him

[drifting quest]

unknown what they do

[sterile herald]

anything on new sets? and i hear something about 6 star gear?

[tight haven]

no 6* gear

[drifting quest]

maybe a redeemer seal new set, but not confirmed

[sterile herald]

kk

[drifting quest]

no 6* gear

[tight haven]

just new set pieces

[sterile herald]

thanks

[icy remnant]

Anyways I like Rossi's kit even if she's not meta

Fight me

[ashen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-amiya-faust-mephisto-reunion-gif-7560371804264723078

[lilac bloom]

nah its not 6 star gear

[quaint matrix]

ok if we're speaking in jjk terms i want someone like toji but we got extremely cheap gojo

[glass wind]

Thats part of her kit.

[ashen scroll]

yeah b ro is literaly mephisto lol

[elder skiff]

rossi is a bit too small to be noticeable, much like her kit

[icy remnant]

Just need Ardashir to send out a hollow purple

[glass birch]

You're the first person who's getting the London special.

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah conceptually its a cool idea and i hope they continue to experiment

[icy remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-ohio-gif-27179630

[drifting quest]

its just from the tc perspective the kit sucks

[neon knot]

I feel like Rossi is missing something in her kit... like she should be able to consume vulnerability to apply fire+phys breach

[icy remnant]

For now and only with our existing 23 units

[noble tapir]

I feel like rossi is missing a teammate

[quaint matrix]

okay her transformation in the trailer looks linda cool

is she casting scuffed excaliba?

[ashen scroll]

whos that

[quaint matrix]

this chick

[daring dove]

Well we don't really know her kit yet. But early previews haven't been the best that's for sure.

[quaint matrix]

she used her devil trigger or something

[icy remnant]

This girl screams low tier villain

[elder skiff]

she technically applies phys dmg taken which is somewhat similar to breach, so solo crush might be viable idk, it’s better to just go all in arts related buffs tho

[quaint matrix]

her whole purpose is to be a filler boss?

[icy remnant]

If it's similar to breach you'll be able to spam crush non stop and increase DPS that way

[ashen scroll]

speculation or real

[quaint matrix]

real. it's in devlog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKTskrTBZxU

[drifting quest]

the only thing we're missing is potentials (mostly irrelevant since baseline for tc is always p0/p0 stuff), weapon (which is unlikely to change much based on datamine) and numbers (which would have to be massively overtuned to change things)
granted they could have just omitted some major key part of her kit, or change the kit before live, but that's impossible to predict

[ashen scroll]

dang , from lizard to dracos

[glass wind]

Rossi just needs Endmin + elemental inflictors

[elder skiff]

haven’t got the numbers yet so it could genuinely be abysmal compared to breach lmao

[ashen scroll]

rossi is the new potential girl now?

rip surtr

[drifting quest]

its really quite amusing how similar rossi is to yvonne

[quaint matrix]

btw guys are you happy with updates devs listed in the log? or you expected something more?

[icy remnant]

Does Yvonne even have more DPS than Last Rite

[drifting quest]

in some cases yes, in other cases no

[glass birch]

Considering up-timea and that Rossi applies it via a talent; it'll likely be 15-20%

[drifting quest]

16% is a safe bet

[icy remnant]

There's so many QoL updates my brain short circuited and I stopped reading

[drifting quest]

ive been saying this since we first heard it

[hollow raptor]

ali express/temu renoir

bro wishes he had 1/100000th the aura renoir had

[icy remnant]

Interesting cus I see alot of girls crazy over Ardashir

[oak vigil]

Lowkey TangTang looks really fun

Here is my theory craft though. She can apply slow. Fluorite team. Thoughts?

[quaint matrix]

everytime he appears he losses aura.

[drifting quest]

would work if you are a diehard fluorite dps player

prob worse than hyper

since tangtang applies cryo suscept unless im misremembering

[oak vigil]

Yeaaaah

[drifting quest]

much more valid if its arts suscept

[icy remnant]

I want to roll for Tang Tang but I don't have Gilberta and I don't have Last rites weapon

I need MiFu to have a generic broadsword that LR can use

[noble tapir]

Do we know MiFu is even a broadsword user?

[drifting quest]

datamine

could change

[hollow raptor]

did datamine also say fangyi was those weird floating weapon user

[glass birch]

She's an arts user in lore yes

[ashen scroll]

broadsword = 1H sword?

[elder skiff]

ye

[icy remnant]

Pretty sure she had a broadsword in the trailer but I'm not sure

[drifting quest]

good example of why it might change

[elder skiff]

ah no

[glass birch]

They mean greatsword

[drifting quest]

fangyi datamine has an arts unit for her

[elder skiff]

greatsword = 2h sword actually

[drifting quest]

but the 1.1 video had her using a greatsword

[hollow raptor]

might still be

[daring dove]

Yeah for me, it's questions like what are the percentage gains we're getting here. If it's a 20+% buff to heat & PHY damage it could make her BiS in those team. Or it could be a nothing burger like 8-12% that barely moves the needle. Until we get details like this it's too early to tell, all we can say is early impressions aren't great.

[hollow raptor]

might be a case of weapon being some special relic instead of her personal weapon, idk

[noble tapir]

imagine rossi's actual roll is just to replace akekuri/antal in laev teams lol

[icy remnant]

20% would actually make her better than Pog I think cus of how much it speeds up the rotation

And dropping breach

[drifting quest]

even 20% is worse than pogs and is not giving sp as well

[outer ermine]

arts susc

[drifting quest]

more valid then

[ashen scroll]

i mean blaze is a "art user" but she use chainsaw

[icy remnant]

That means you do crush crush crush
Instead of breach crush crush

[outer ermine]

flourite angle

[icy remnant]

That's a lot of crush!

[noble tapir]

Ok Paramore

[summer flower]

i have two ponderings

can you do 4/4 shatter (4 solidifcation)

in qucik time

[lilac bloom]

he's pretty and soft-spoken

[drifting quest]

where is the idea rossi is speeding up rotations coming from

huh

[summer flower]

maybe 4/1/4 because yvonne forced

[ashen scroll]

still i think it would be cool if MiFu use Arts Unit instead , so she going to have 4 Jigling Orbs on her while she punching people

[lilac bloom]

gun

what if her gauntlets have guns

[noble tapir]

When she ults she applies one extra vuln stack on her next bs(I think it's bs)!!!!!

[summer flower]

then they are american

[glass birch]

Wouldn't it be funny if the fangyi we saw in the trailer is actually Mi Fu in disguise somehow?

[lilac bloom]

chinese-american century

[icy remnant]

I mean hypothetically if she provided 20%+ Phys DMG received on skill not counting whatever her weapon brings

That means you can do triple crush rotations instead of 1 breach 2 crush

No SP regen but still

[drifting quest]

i cannot tell if this is sarcasm or not but this does not speed up the rotation

[icy remnant]

I mean I count breach as just the set up phase

[noble tapir]

It's sarcasm, I was trying to emphasize it with the exclamation points

[drifting quest]

slower rot, worse stacking, less buff

[summer flower]

no need for sp energy when its sp energyless 2 vunl

[drifting quest]

i figured as much but its hard to genuinely tell because some people do type like that

[daring dove]

Point is all we really know rn is what her skills do, an even that's surface level understanding. I'm in 100% agreement it doesn't look good so far. But until we get all the details like buff percentages & motion values. We can't truly say she doesn't have a place. Hopefully we get proper kit details shortly.

[drifting quest]

i mean we can have a moderate idea based on the gameplay clip

[summer flower]

i'm going off what was presented

[drifting quest]

and it doesnt exactly sell her as having good numbers

[noble tapir]

Oh I just realized you can get a cryo stack if you dive attack tangtang's ult

[summer flower]

moderate for numbers?

no, numbers you have like none probably

[noble tapir]

Maybe you just use it for that with Yvonne lol

[summer flower]

cause no idea if it was 0 gear or maxed gear

[drifting quest]

what

[summer flower]

could been either way and everything in middle

[glass birch]

Isn't that just from the ult's final hit anyways?

[hollow raptor]

are you guessing numbers from the shown clips or something?

[drifting quest]

vague ballparks yes

[noble tapir]

Oh is it? I thought it was part of the "enhanced effects" from ending ult early

[drifting quest]

nothing concrete

[summer flower]

okay

[hollow raptor]

that is useless

[summer flower]

so spread of this gauge is

[drifting quest]

i mean we can pretty easily guess a lot of factors

i agree its nothing amazing but its the best we've got

[potent hornet]

not really

[summer flower]

was even lv visible?

[potent hornet]

with new gear we have no clue

[summer flower]

like even just gear and no gear

[drifting quest]

we know based on previous previews

about things like levels

[summer flower]

you dont know if it had even anything equpied for gear

could been naked

[manic blade]

So pyro supports not coming til 2027

[hollow raptor]

numbers are always arbitrary in these showcases. and may as well have level 1 abilities, and whatever else.

[noble tapir]

Sounds like it's from her talent

[summer flower]

anything form naked to full built and full artificed

[drifting quest]

gear we can guess based on the buffs the team accesses

[summer flower]

....

[hollow raptor]

they never show any hint of numbers, that's why they also use a special font for it

[summer flower]

okay what gear was it then?

[potent hornet]

not really

we have zero clue what the 3rd lines are on any of the new stuff

[summer flower]

what aritifce level?

[icy remnant]

Here's a theory
Just like TangTang after Yvonne
They're gonna release that Tallulah lookalike after Rossi as the perfect team mate

[summer flower]

what's your clue for each gear piece

[hollow raptor]

or if she's wearing any at all

[summer flower]

yea my point

[ashen scroll]

i still dont understand why these dev didnt properly release their upcoming characters information since not only how they looks their prowess also affect the sales alot , its as if the publisher and marketing team never play games

[noble tapir]

Lucia waiting room

[hollow raptor]

well you're assuming the doomposting right now is a foregone guarantee of rossi being "bad" or something

maybe she turns out to be really good

[tight haven]

idfk bro i like them rn

[summer flower]

@drifting quest so? because if you so good at divination i might do commision for some futuretelling

[glass birch]

Its from her talent riot bringer. The dive attack turns the whirlpools into waterspouts as if casting her BS

[icy remnant]

This is not true
People who spreadsheet numbers are by far the least likely to spend a decent amount compared to whales

[tight haven]

they seem cool and i enjoy that they're probably not mathematically superior to anyone in the cast

[drifting quest]

unit power isnt tied to how cool their kit is

[teal pawn]

or the liberi

[ashen scroll]

im saying the doomposting could affect potential buyer

[drifting quest]

i like most kits in the game even if some suck

[drifting quest]

im working on it relax

have some patience

[icy remnant]

You really can't doompost without any kit details

[hollow raptor]

but tons of people rely on these spreadsheets though. like someone maths out "yvonne bad" and the actual nuance is lost (and who knows maybe the assumptions were completely wrong in the first place) but then the news spread and then everyone's parroting yvonne bad

[icy remnant]

Like are you gonna say Rossi dead on arrival and then afterwards turns out she has smth dumb like 30% Phys susc and becomes meta

[summer flower]

there been plenty of that

[drifting quest]

issue is people dont read the rest of the paragraph only the two words 'yvonne bad'

[noble tapir]

I think the big thing with "x character is bad" in this game is content isn't hard enough for that to actually matter

[summer flower]

issue is, reasons after that might different, but first part always stays same

[hollow raptor]

i do agree, but in this case:

1. the impulse pullers will pull anyways
2. and on release, the truth will come out, so if she's actually meta, the meta chasers will pull anyways
3. the waifu chasers never cared in the first place

[noble tapir]

So what's more important is "is this character fun"

[icy remnant]

There's nothing to math out being bad if they just don't release numbers

You wouldn't have gotten Yvonne bad parrots if they just hid her before her banner

[summer flower]

i'm getting yvonne for jumping high

[tight haven]

yvonne's real problem (and this remains true) is that she shits the bed if you can't kill something quickly

she needs ideal conditions to work well

[drifting quest]

Something like
'Yvonne is bad relative to other existing dps units due to no good team mates and having unsolved kit issues. She clears all content though because game is easy. Future stuff might make her more competitive. And once you start whaling her later pots are somewhat better than average.'

gets condensed down to
'Yvonne is bad'

[icy remnant]

Yvonne's problem is Last Rite does her job better

As a free unit

[tight haven]

yeah a lot of people unfortunately just ran with the latter there

[noble tapir]

LR vs. Yvonne isn't even strictly better/worse

[icy remnant]

It doesn't matter cus one is free

[summer flower]

yea, that's kinda more than bad relative to other dps units

[icy remnant]

Everyone has LR

Selector if you somehow don't

[summer flower]

I DONT HAVE LR

[drifting quest]

granted a poorly worded statement from myself, nitpicked as it may be

[summer flower]

selector is in limbo

[tight haven]

no yvonne is just worse i really hate to say it though i guess for this conversation it's worth adding onto that that yvonne is perfectly usable for all current content

[drifting quest]

cherrypicked, rather

[tight haven]

so she's not meaningfully worse

[summer flower]

i did post whole statment

not just last part

[ashen scroll]

my friend just tell me , "because people who care about the unit combat/worth or not to pull are b roke af , and usualy dont spend any money anyway since they chase meta not looks ofc marketing team wont care"

[drifting quest]

maybe it was a different case

[tight haven]

nothing lr can do that matters is anything yvonne can't anyway

[drifting quest]

but i do believe i corrected it at some point

[summer flower]

granted you do signify that guide says even worse i think based on message

[tight haven]

it's just frustrating seeing people look at the 6-second yvonne rhodagn kills and take away that lr is actually on-par with her

when like

[summer flower]

yea later ones i think you were true to today message on stance

[drifting quest]

The point is that guides are meant to make it as easy as possible for as many people as possible

[icy remnant]

I'm pretty sure people straight up one shot Rhodagn with LastRite lol

[tight haven]

look at any yvonne vs lr comparison for a boss that isn't rhodagn

or any umbral stage

[drifting quest]

so when you have units with worse kits naturally advice aims to steer people away

[tight haven]

this is the tc channel after all yes

you're very infrequently going to hear "use them if you want" because like

[drifting quest]

this is the exact case with rossi discourse

she will clear all content

[tight haven]

you should already have that sentiment in the back of your mind

[noble tapir]

Wasn't Yvonne like, super competitive in the Rock Solid stage?

[drifting quest]

no more than other units

[noble tapir]

Or am I mistaken

[summer flower]

solidification good for that stage

[tight haven]

i really really hope we don't need to preface every statement with "but x still works"

[drifting quest]

she has the benefit of being more skill proofed

[summer flower]

instant one that is, LR and Laev suffered i think

[drifting quest]

in that she performs better on worse players

[drifting quest]

it gets quite tiring

[glass birch]

Rossi sucks no one pull her!!! (So I can be the only one to have her when they buff her to the moon and she solos all content ) [satire]

[drifting quest]

but then if you dont say it haha out of context quote here we go

im working on a prerelease doc for tt and rossi and the disclaimers page is already several times the length of content ive written compared to anything on units

[noble tapir]

Sounds about right

[glass birch]

Lemme see this doc and I'll proofread for ya

[drifting quest]

most of it is split over multiple test docs

[icy remnant]

Can't wait for the next unit after Rossi to be her direct matching support 💀

[drifting quest]

with some number crunching

[hollow raptor]

umbral should've driven home the point that this is a game and not a spreadsheet simulator given how stage mechanics affect difficulty far more than raw hp of enemies

[icy remnant]

Inflict heat inflictions based on existing Vuln stacks let's go

[glass birch]

I dont think mi fu would do that

[hollow raptor]

it's unlikely we will get another rhodagn that just stands still and lets you unload full rotations in peace

[potent hornet]

the issue with writing a guide for something like this is that most people that know what they are doing will take a look at the numbers and decide what they want to play and not really care about the voiced content next to the numbers. The other people will just see "x is bad" if its said and not look at the numbers at all to decide if that is what they want to invest in

[summer flower]

that would be shatter if vunl arent consumed

that + cryo = soldification at max stacks

then you do shatter and repeat that

and you back to 4 soldification

[drifting quest]

its as much a guide for the general audience as it is trying to wrap my head around kits and teams from a tc perspective anyway

[noble tapir]

Rossi wants specifically combustion right?

[summer flower]

where in kit there was want of combustion?

[icy remnant]

I want 4 stacks of heat inflictions so Rossi can reconvert all of it to Vuln again

[summer flower]

or was it just additional damage?

[hollow raptor]

do we have any idea of their sig weapon effects

[drifting quest]

it doesnt matter to me if anyone ends up reading it, i might not even publish it

[hollow raptor]

datamined or anything

[glass birch]

Her extra hit on critical hit wants combustion.

[drifting quest]

only the essences

[summer flower]

ohhh

okay

[drifting quest]

which could change as well

[hollow raptor]

at least rossi's tracks based on her kit

[summer flower]

i see fine puzzle for my team, if ult energy is fine

and CD arent bad

[glass birch]

What's rossi's essences? Agi/crit/infliction?

[hollow raptor]

fracture

[glass birch]

Ehh I was close

[hollow raptor]

basically 2nd yvonne essence

no wait that one's int

[summer flower]

if its agi might be flurorite weapon

current wants to consume infclitions and my flurorirte doesnt consume them

Ohh wait Rossi not tang tang

Nvm

[glass birch]

You consume an infliction when applying an arts reaction btw

[frigid vector]

do you have good LR umbral clears

cause I haven't seen any that aren't like

p5 whaled for umbral 2

[oak vigil]

I have re-looked at Rossi’s kit for like 10 times and I feel confused? I mean she wants both arts infliction and phys, although I can’t think of any teams due to inexperience

I don’t think it’s bad, just my own confusion lol

[summer flower]

Yea, I was trying to do arts burst build lack of proper weapon utilising it makes it impossible to even do correctly

Although it's fun to play

[drifting quest]

its a mess right now

[tight haven]

not for umbral 2

[drifting quest]

there's no clear team for her

[frigid vector]

yvonne seems pretty competitive rn

[summer flower]

And even with proper weapon it will probably be unoptimal

[frigid vector]

her rho clears are good as are her marble ones

[tight haven]

lr and yvonne seem to straight-up suck for specifically that

[frigid vector]

haven't seen triaggelos admittedly

if anything

[tight haven]

the fuckin, charging dudes

[frigid vector]

yvonne has some of the best low pot clears I've seen

haengja's been repping it with them

[hollow raptor]

might be because everyone hates that boss surely

[frigid vector]

just that phys mogs everything on umbral 2 rn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYPJ-Ty96og&t=1s

[reef ginkgo]

tourist here, anyone cooked up dps tangtang stuff?

[glass birch]

Theres 0 numbers

[oak vigil]

I feel like it would have been so much easier to figure out if she didn’t consume arts infliction

[drifting quest]

unless the numbers suck she should just function as a decent subdps

main dps stuff will work for casual gaming but likely wont be competitive for faster clearing

[reef ginkgo]

no numbers needed but just team ideas and theory to plan around since we have like 11 days until potential patch

[frigid vector]

21/110/94 split for rho/triag/marble

[tight haven]

the low-pot clears for umbral 2 ive seen have been kind of comparable to low-pot lr at best from what ive seen but im colored by my testing with yvonne sucking so fucking hard with her rots whereas whenever i log into my friends lr acc its

so smooth

[frigid vector]

do you have lr clears to share

[tight haven]

i can make mistakes and she doesnt shit the bed instantly

[frigid vector]

I can't really find them

like if someone asks me "is lr better than yvonne" and I need to link something, what am I actually linking

[tight haven]

yeah i can probably dig some up

[frigid vector]

cause everything I see has them be pretty comparable

unless of course

p5/p5 lr but that's

[tight haven]

the one im thinking of was an lr compilation from bili

[frigid vector]

negawhale territory

can't refer to yzmoon either cause he's p5/p5

and if we talking p5/p5 then

[drifting quest]

issue with videos is that they're always gonna be optimised

[frigid vector]

yvonne 9s clears etcetc

well that's the point

[outer ermine]

a 0+1lr was in my comments earlier lemme check his runs ig

[frigid vector]

optimised clears are ideal

[drifting quest]

you dont get people posting their random normal gameplay

a lot of yvonne's kit issues can be somewhat bypassed if you dont have skill issue

[hollow raptor]

oh the routing on that umbral 2 is very asmr-like

[frigid vector]

since otherwise it becomes more of a "how easy a character is to play/perform with" rather than how good they are

[drifting quest]

but most people have skill issue

[frigid vector]

tru

[drifting quest]

same applies to like # of resets

[glass birch]

Who's skill and why does everyone have issues with them?

[frigid vector]

tbh any umbral 2-2 time right now that isn't phys is bashing head against the wall angle

cause getting the charging dudes to line up is a pain

2-1/2-3 pretty consistent thankfully

[drifting quest]

until the goat tangtang comes and domain expansions them both

[hollow raptor]

does yvonne ult have any kind of small aoe when pew pewing

[frigid vector]

200% ult gain tangtang just for the freeze

😔

[drifting quest]

ignore that she prob doesnt even get ult in time for speedrun purposes

[frigid vector]

the final strike does, but I don't think the shots do

[hollow raptor]

sad

would've been nice with gilb + soup + yvonne

[outer ermine]

omg this guy

only rhod w him

[mystic halo]

this channel is for combat gameplay

[outer ermine]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1cvZfB2Ean
other one was

[drifting quest]

If i wanted to hypothetically complain about some stuff in this channel would you prefer it in modmail or directly

[tight haven]

fuck i can only find the shitty lr compis

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV15HfTBtEx3/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

wheres the vid i was looking at

this guy just does not know how to do stage 2

💔

[frigid vector]

stage 2

restart city I guess

can be skipped 😔

[tight haven]

yeah no its cooked

you need to like

get them in the same spot

[frigid vector]

but like 46 2-3 is longer than yvonne even

[tight haven]

gilb ult

[glass wind]

Anyway. Whats Rossi's build gonna be?

[tight haven]

then PRAY

[frigid vector]

I think I've seen some

[glass birch]

Mi security

[frigid vector]

22-24s 2-1 clears on LR?

[rich linden]

My horizons have been broadened

[drifting quest]

seems forced into mi security
maybe if other sets get multiple crit gear pieces in 1.1 alternatives exist but it doesnt seem likely

[tight haven]

ive seen speedy 2-1 clears also

yvonnes gameplay does make me wanna shoot myself in the face though

[frigid vector]

but like the 2-1 here is moer than 40s

[tight haven]

she has such little room for error

[tight haven]

yeah no this one sucks

[frigid vector]

but as far as I can tell

[tight haven]

im trying to find the one i was looking at

[frigid vector]

all the optimised yvonne clears I've seen

[glass wind]

Item feels cheap. Can i use something else

[hollow raptor]

if you are hoping this channel is numbers only then it's a lost cause because there's too few people who actually math things out and the channel will simply die.

[frigid vector]

are equal to or mogging LR

umbral 1

[tight haven]

their gear is also completely un-artificed

[frigid vector]

is the ones I've seen LR actually outperforms

esp on ballista and axe

but a lot of re-crisis and umbral 2

don't think the yvonne worse than LR argument holds

at least for optimised runs

just that phys mogs all

[tight haven]

im willing to move on that ig

[drifting quest]

its definitely a broad generalisation

[tight haven]

ime shes just really really bad to pilot

its so hard for me to want to recommend her

[frigid vector]

I've got like 20 clips of her final strike missing on rho

[tight haven]

she plays terribly and i maybe tt changes that

[frigid vector]

so I feel it

[drifting quest]

since its a combination of skill issue, average content (umbral is kinda way easier than trimmed recrisis for example)

[frigid vector]

but her numbers ain't bad at least

[tight haven]

no shes really not BAD

[frigid vector]

even trimmed re-crisis

[hollow raptor]

umbral seems to be very "volatile" in terms of stage mechanics so i'll say it's impossible to make any statements. next umbral from devstream looks completely different too, and more malding even.

[frigid vector]

her numbers good

[summer flower]

saying you dislike how controlling her feels is completly valid

[outer ermine]

we jsut stuck crit fishing on rhod lin trust

[drifting quest]

but also a lot of it is that yeah we kinda just figured out better pathing, tech and rotations for yvonne

[tight haven]

shes so bad to pilot that im just like duuuude dont. unless you really like her. dont

[frigid vector]

eagerly awaiting the 1 combo skill kill

[drifting quest]

its so funny that 5s yvonne clears are just

yeah let me not use my ult for 5s so i can minimise how long im stuck spending it

[hollow raptor]

for what it's worth i found trimming easier than umbral 2 with laevatain

[tight haven]

waiting for her ult to finish yeah LMAO

[frigid vector]

unfathomably based strats

[hollow raptor]

umbral seems to change drastically every time and im already afraid of it

[frigid vector]

[drifting quest]

its just so funny

[frigid vector]

I like umbral is super different everytime

keeps things fresh

[tight haven]

2-2 is straight-up just anti-laev tech

[frigid vector]

rather than recycle enemy no.10123 but with diff buffs

[tight haven]

i respect it

[drifting quest]

the best way to speedrun with yvonne is to minimise how much yvonne is used

not clear

speedrun

[tight haven]

she still clears it quite easily but she cant do it nearly as quickly as other teams

[frigid vector]

her being able to nuke marble tentacles

really good though

like I still think she's clearing as fast if not faster

[drifting quest]

if tangtang can like

[glass wind]

Ive used Flourite. Shes a good nature stacker for Yvonne.

[drifting quest]

tap the tentacles too

i think the clear time becomes really good

[frigid vector]

do we have sub 90s marble clears on low pot LR for example, or low pot laev

[tight haven]

depends on her spout scaling

[outer ermine]

hopefully b4 tang

[drifting quest]

the thing is like

you can save the waterspouts between phases

on marble

[hollow raptor]

speedruns warp fight routes and even compositions completely for very targetted clears so i don't treat them as representative of anything

[drifting quest]

and get their benefit

as far as I can tell at least

i think avy spears save

[tight haven]

yeah we dont know if spouts despawn quickly or whatever

too early to plan

[hollow raptor]

seems like the kind of thing a potential would affect

[tight haven]

i just want their pots to be bad

i dont particularly like tt or rossi so far

[hollow raptor]

just dont log in for the patch if you lack self control

[drifting quest]

qol p1
damage p2
giga qol p3
energy p4
giga damage p5

incoming

[tight haven]

also concerned with them making too many ult-focused dpses because ult eff is becoming too centralizing of a stat

[tight haven]

it isnt that, i just dislike it on principle

[whole dove]

I am thinking about Rossi/Gilberta/Wulfgard 4th Slot Endmin/Panda/Pog? It seems like Pogs Breach would be really bad here cause its mostly buffs him? Endmin or Panda with Crush seems much better?
But also Pog gives you SP. Endmin and Panda dont give you SP. So maybe Pog is still good or better?

[hollow raptor]

giga qol is destined to be p1 if there is any

[tight haven]

i dont like it when it happens in other games and i dont like it if it happens here

especially if big upgrades are locked behind later pots

[hollow raptor]

i thought hoyo pots were bad until i tried gfl2

[tight haven]

panda if rossi's personal damage is low

pog if not

most likely

[mystic halo]

It'll have to be the former

[tight haven]

we really really dont know

oh hi opal

[drifting quest]

makes sense

[tight haven]

has the mod team seen my modmails

[drifting quest]

i just dont want to bitch in modmail lmao

[tight haven]

i havent received a reply for either

[daring dove]

I don't care if Rossi is good or bad rn, but really want Tangtang to have good potentials she seems peak.

[tight haven]

no

bad

if you like a character you should hope their pots SUCK

put all the good shit in the base

[summer flower]

true

[noble tapir]

Type shit

[summer flower]

you want pot to be nice but not amazing

like +stat

[glass birch]

Do that and 2 months later the game releases an EoS announcement due to lack of profits

[tight haven]

-15% ult cost is already stretching it for me personally

[summer flower]

unless its endmin

then all should be as best as they can give

[tight haven]

people keep saying this but i and other whales i know p5 ops because we like them

the strength is like, corollary

[hollow raptor]

recharge entire team's ult on using ult at pot 5

or give overult energy so you can use it even faster, eh, might see this down the line

[mystic halo]

I will speak to someone

[tight haven]

thank u goat

[oak vigil]

Okay so far about Rossi:

She can’t work properly with arts reactions consumers and even hybrid units properly, because she consumes arts infliction in the first place
(which means no Estella)

Legit only thing I came so far is being stuck to Akekuri and that’s it???

IF ONLY she could work with Estella

[signal thistle]

is rossi good for laevatain?

[oak vigil]

Uhhhh, Endmin/Perlica/Akekuri/Rossi team???

[summer flower]

perlica into chen

and last slot i dunno

[oak vigil]

Actually yeah, just Akekuri’s arts infliction is enough

[summer flower]

ake could work? but dunno how ake is good enough

[tight haven]

my thinking is like... maybe you just DON'T use her 2nd combo seq?

[summer flower]

depends on rossi ultimate

[summer flower]

hmmm

[glass birch]

Why not just go mono-phys at that point?

[tight haven]

but it generates extra ult

[quaint matrix]

i wonder,should i pull tang-tang if i wanna build lr in future

[tight haven]

so probably not

[oak vigil]

We are trying to make a bastard fire child work

[drifting quest]

you can force it with like gilb rossi laev wulfgard but its very very questionable

[glass birch]

Easy.
Rossi, wulf, ake, gilberta
Or
Rossi, pog, ardelia, wulf

[opaque pagoda]

it might work but why

[summer flower]

hmmm... wulf laev 2xphys ?

[tight haven]

im not really convinced of anything until we have info on the new gear effects at the very least

[summer flower]

wulf laev rossi + endmin?

so basicaly pairing instead of full mono team?>

[oak vigil]

Isn’t she technically anti-synergistic with Wulfguard ironically enough, due to Wulfguard needing to eat arts reactions, but Rossi needs to eat arts inflictions

[twilit quail]

my read is that they recycle cbt yvonne(gain ult energy on crit) into a gear set at some point

[noble tapir]

Laev consuming heat stacks for her melt stacks kinda makes getting combustion hard without wulf ult

[glass birch]

Wulf doesnt need arts reaction. He's an infliction/combustion applier

[oak vigil]

Fair, I see the point

[summer flower]

hmm

but endmin wouldnt work as much i think

hmm

[tight haven]

wulf only consumes them to deal more damage. you never actually want wulf to do this

[summer flower]

how much vunl da pan gets?

by himself?

okay, da pan + rossi

laev + wulf

that's two element duo based team

[tight haven]

2 on ult, 1 on battle skill (2 on bs every 45s with pot5, assuming theres one target)

[summer flower]

wulf supports rossi in her vunl application for da pan

[glass birch]

Rossi and lae fighting to see who can consume the afflictions

[noble tapir]

what's the clannibal buff? I know it's not great but it's the one reason to consume combustion

[tight haven]

arts dmg taken debuff

[summer flower]

rossi needs single inficlition to consume

[broken shale]

But would that be wise without dedicated support?

[tight haven]

it is not good

[summer flower]

so its just small task for fire dmg recived on enemy

[noble tapir]

for specifically heat too dang

[summer flower]

from one of skills

heat + phys