theorycrafting

[feral fractal]

the more i look into rossi the weirder her kit is cus i feel like it'd make more sense if she was a support

[drifting quest]

talent 1 is clawmark application

[lyric shard]

honestly comp could be some silly shit like Rossi/Akekuri/Gilberta/Endmin (Da Pan)

[river ermine]

the only problem is gil doesnt give phys susc

[summer flower]

Da pan I dunno

[lyric shard]

cause you can't realistically run Pog on this team

[green cipher]

What does chen does aside from vul stacking

[glass birch]

Seething blood(Talent 2); If Rossi scores a critical hit to an enemy w/ Razor Clawmarks applied; an additional hit is applied that heals Rossi. If the target has Combustion applied the damage and healing is higher.

[lyric shard]

or rather you can but Breach only buffs Endmin atp

[drifting quest]

personal damage

[summer flower]

Dmg

[lyric shard]

ult

and stagger

[green cipher]

Uhuh

And lifeng for phys sus

[lyric shard]

cause she deals like 20 stagger if she interrupts

[summer flower]

Ehh? Isn't that everyone?

[drifting quest]

why not

[summer flower]

Interrupt stagger bonus is for everyone

[river ermine]

chen has lift, ig

[lyric shard]

she deals extra stagger on her talent 2

[river ermine]

oh interrupt

[green cipher]

Cause like is it fine to lose lifeng/chen

[drifting quest]

no

[summer flower]

Ohh, so extra on top of extra okay

[drifting quest]

lmao

[green cipher]

And use rossi/gil for crush

[summer flower]

Dunno how impactful that stagger is

[river ermine]

rossi looks bad for phys rn tbh

[lyric shard]

10 extra stagger

[drifting quest]

if you're running rossi you're downgrading the team to run rossi because you want to

which is fine

[drifting berry]

They just gonna make Rossi absurdly expensive to build with a full 6* team within the next few patches like Yvonne because devs know Rossi mains are kinda obsessed. And I'm 100% going to take the bait

[glass birch]

She's a shitty chen for pure phys

[river ermine]

real

[green cipher]

Its like rossi, gil pog dapan/endmin or chen lifeng pog dapan/endmin

[lyric shard]

6* worse than 5* icant

[summer flower]

Also on ember they were attacking for having to get hit so I dunno, having enemy to start interruptable attack is pretty much more rare

[drifting quest]

dapan over endmin in this case

[river ermine]

shes like lr but she does phys dmg

[drifting quest]

to help stack

[summer flower]

Than just attack

[drifting quest]

since every unit except rossi wants vuln

[glass birch]

Rossi/Pog/Wulf/Ardelia or Rossi/Gilberta/Ake/Wulf

[river ermine]

shes like chen but she does heat dmg

isnt that fun

[tight haven]

i feel like the new gear is just gonna invalidate any potential tc-ing

[rare zodiac]

Truly the user of humble SS

[tight haven]

im stocking like 200 artifices

lmao

[proud vector]

I’ve confirmed multiple activations of T2 during Rossi ultimate (she heals a little bit)
So it should be active on any crit she does

[green cipher]

Talking about her viability as phys support

[summer flower]

Ohh susceptibility?

[river ermine]

this is just a forced synergy between her and wulf im not gonna lie

[edgy crater]

red gear really hurts max arti player

[next helm]

Gil seems required for Rossi

[terse valley]

so chat hear me out here cuz i can't get this out of my head

inflict with gilbert/perli bs > fs > perlica combo > gilbert combo (1vul) > rossi combo (3vul) > rossi bs (4vul) > crush
and maybe gilbert ult (with 4 vul before the crush)(nature inflict) > rossi ult (causes combustion) > perli ult

am i cooking or am i cooked here

[drifting quest]

cope option if you dont own one of the actually good units

basically

[lyric shard]

I mean her thing is get hit but don't get hit too bad cause she gets 50% protection when using her BS/CS

[proud vector]

Yeah pretty much. But if the numbers are good are you gonna say no?

[drifting quest]

the latter

[green cipher]

6* as cope option is insane

[glass birch]

Seething blood; If Rossi scores a Critical Hit to an enemy w/ Razor Clawmark applied; an additional hit is applied that heals a certain amount of HP. If the target is also Combusted the damage and healing is higher.

[green cipher]

[tight haven]

she would need like

[lyric shard]

latter then crush cause lmao

[tight haven]

a potential that applies vuln

[river ermine]

i mean, id be waiting for the stream to show new unit first

[drifting quest]

who could have guessed a unit not meant for the team is a cope option in the team

[tight haven]

to replace chen meaningfully

[river ermine]

if its zhuang/mifu i will say no

[summer flower]

I'm just saying, ember has same additional stagger for getting hit mid skill

[tight haven]

otherwise you always just use chen

[proud vector]

Oh true we can wait on Rossi banner for news

[summer flower]

Which requires any attack

[proud vector]

Good call

[summer flower]

Not interruptable

[drifting quest]

she'd also need a potential that changes her ult to physical damage

[tight haven]

yeah lmao

[drifting quest]

and a potential to give her more heat infliction

[lyric shard]

chen but she applies 3 stack for two skill usage instead

[drifting quest]

so she can run alone

[tight haven]

her potentials would need to be unhealthy

basically

[drifting quest]

and a good energy generation potential alongside her ult cost down one

4/5 potentials already

[tight haven]

so i hope shes just not a good phys option for now

[drifting quest]

BUT

[tight haven]

unless the new gear just fixes her problems

[drifting quest]

rossi does get uge from gilberta

which is relevant, maybe

[lyric shard]

some shit like Lifeng's ult -> Chen 2 combo -> combo sequence 2 -> Chen 2 BS = 4 stack
cinema

[river ermine]

rossi is alrd not a good phys option

[thorny frigate]

Which weapon will use tangtang?

[proud vector]

She doesn’t mesh into standard phys but might have Rossi centric teams basically

[drifting quest]

pistols

[lyric shard]

red9

I mean

uhh

[tight haven]

handcannons

[glass birch]

Rossi's only heat dmg is from ult and BS SEQ2 though Her combo is pure phys

[river ermine]

her main dmg window is ult

[drifting quest]

the devs said most of her damage is in ult

[river ermine]

thats what video stated

[terse valley]

well the crush is just extra no?

[green cipher]

The vid shows us using rossi as vul supplier on crush spam than setting up huge crush nukes

[proud vector]

To be entirely fair her ult was triggering Talent2 like crazy, most likely no internal cooldown on it

Talent2 might be where damage is as well

[terse valley]

wait wrong reply

[drifting quest]

yes, and it will function

the issue is

its just worse

than existing stuff

less damage, worse stacking

[river ermine]

its worse than mono phys team tbh

[green cipher]

Its literally just shatter

[lyric shard]

...which monophys does anyways and does it better cause they can use Pog more efficiently (breach + Steel Oath on ult)

[green cipher]

[feral fractal]

how rossi's kit got the theorycrafters going rn

[drifting quest]

if you want to use rossi use her

[calm field]

any shatter believers

[proud vector]

Right? It’s fun

[lyric shard]

"does everything and nothing at the same time" ahh kit

[drifting quest]

rossi shatter might be a thing

[proud vector]

I’m an Estelle lover not a shatter believer

[drifting quest]

i dont think it will be good (relative ofc)

but a thing maybe

shatter is the wheelchair comp anyway

[green cipher]

We just need the numbers

[feral fractal]

they made rossi her own thing but since that's the case she doesn't fit well with the current teams

[river ermine]

i wonder how reddit is doing rn

[lyric shard]

shatter might honestly work with Rossi
monophys is still gonna go with Lifeng/Chen/Pog/Da Pan (endmin)

[proud vector]

It’s kinda fun at least, easy on the brain too

[terse valley]

if not doing crush who else can fit the flex slot

[green cipher]

If rossi ult spam gonna be a really good contender then

[lyric shard]

idk you're stacking vuln might as well use it with Da Pan/Endmin

[river ermine]

you make a rossi heat hypercarry

[lyric shard]

breach wouldn't work anyways lmao

[terse valley]

perhaps

[green cipher]

Rossi feels like arclight too in a sense

[river ermine]

dont say that

rossi at least seems to deal dmg

[drifting quest]

perlica, akekuri, antal, wulfgard, etc

[lyric shard]

arclight does jack lmao

[drifting quest]

they're not great either

[green cipher]

Thats their difference lmao

[stiff eagle]

oh do we know the kits

[green cipher]

[drifting quest]

so welcome to the rossi conundrum

[drifting quest]

kits yes numbers no

[proud vector]

WITNESS ME
Talent 2 will actually be the main damage source of Rossi ult because it triggers it a bajillion times!
Meaning that Rossi gets a physical damage ult in disguise!

[green cipher]

Until we get the numbers

[stiff eagle]

where can i find the information

[drifting quest]

video

[green cipher]

Rossi phys dot seems ass too

[river ermine]

this is actually kinda fun than looking at leaks lol

[green cipher]

[paper sand]

is(was?) yvonne bad because she lacked a good support or is her kit design just flawed

[rare zodiac]

Yeah we are like a bunch of headless chickens

[river ermine]

was yeah

[terse valley]

i still don't understand her ult, hitting enemy with combustion deals more damage? but itself applies heat stack? can it combust itself to increase its own damage?

[wanton notch]

I am stupid, why tf Estella misses her Susc?

nvm, guard breaks it

lmao

[drifting quest]

both

[river ermine]

she cant get combustion its like a forced synergy with wulf

[drifting quest]

tangtang fixes some but not all of the kit issues and is a good teammate

[glass birch]

This is due to 2 things;

1. Her ult is multi hit in Seq 1, and does 2 extra hits afterwards
2. Her ult has higher Crit damage when crits are applied
3. Her talent 2 deals extra hits when she crits.

I dunno if it's her main damage, buts its definitely a lot of damage. It depends on Ult energy cost and how high the modifiers are for both it and her talent 2

[green cipher]

Its to set up next rot

[river ermine]

also dont tangtang arts susc last pretty well damn long

[terse valley]

no but like gilbert ult inflicts nature and rossi ult can combust it but she wont get the extra effect cuz the heat inflict is at the end of ult? is that right?

[drifting quest]

this looks like

[cobalt basin]

we don't know if there's a cooldown or not yet, right?

[drifting quest]

8s or something

not that long

[river ermine]

the vid itself is 4s

that susc isnt half gone

[wanton notch]

Wait no, what the fck?

[proud vector]

If you look at the way she heals during her ult in the example fight, it’s a very smooth incremental heal imo.

[drifting quest]

closer to 10 then, if you will

[proud vector]

The internal cooldown is definitely sub 1s, feels like 0.1s or not at all

[river ermine]

yeah if her ult doesnt cost something like 240

[drifting quest]

from application to video end

[cobalt basin]

oh damn might as well be no cd then

[terse valley]

noooo

[cobalt basin]

surely we get good multipliers out of that

[river ermine]

yeah prob 10s

[proud vector]

Unknown

[river ermine]

pretty good considering gilbs 5s

maybe we only get 20% susc

[proud vector]

But I am thinking it’s not low numbers

[drifting quest]

16% is a safe guess

for her susc

maybe less

[edgy crater]

aint dat really allign with yvonne ulti?

[feral fractal]

time for the complementary

[drifting quest]

yesnt

[edgy crater]

[terse valley]

okay fuckit forget crushing the vul ima run hyper rossi with triple support

[outer ermine]

lr cs+ult buffed les go

[edgy crater]

but dats like 13s lol

[twilit quail]

i think the only thing we can be certain about is that there's going to be a lot of dogshit guides

[feral fractal]

does rossi not consume vul stacks

[terse valley]

none of her kit consumes vul

[echo cove]

i think they wanted rossi to be with endmin

and wulfgard

[outer ermine]

just time better w ult pop

[river ermine]

r/rossimains is alrd ONLY looking at her arts inflict -> vuln stack ability

[echo cove]

lorewise

[river ermine]

yv+lr team situation

[edgy crater]

ur sheet probably obsolete too with red gear arriving

[river ermine]

[feral fractal]

imagine if rossi ult consumed vul stacks for higher damage. pair that with the crit dmg increase when you deal a crit 💔

[proud vector]

That’s dumb

[cobalt basin]

BRO JUST MAKE HER HEAT I BEG U

[drifting quest]

i mean all current tc is obselete until we get numbers on tangtang, rossi, new weapons and new gear

[proud vector]

she becomes just Chen lite if you push her there

[echo cove]

That'd be like... 2 stack/ult? Funky

[river ermine]

wait holy shit

gilberta passive works on rossi

shes a guard!

[twilit quail]

no fucking shit sherlock

[proud vector]

[cobalt basin]

+7% ULT CHARGE LETSGOOO

[daring dove]

To be honest, I can see a play here. Where they release a PHY DPS that applys art inflicts & needs vun stacks to deal his big damage hits. If they release a character like that who's a major damage dealer for PHY team. Rossi's stocks will sky-rocket. But she's then effectively tied to said character so as soon as a better PHY DPS drops she's useless.

[river ermine]

we used to pray for times like this

watch as its 300% multiplier only

[drifting quest]

oh

banners are 17d long

yikes

[river ermine]

ye

[proud vector]

34 day sub patches?

[river ermine]

ye

[proud vector]

Nice for content

Not nice for banners I guess

[drifting quest]

good for content bad for banners

[river ermine]

eh

not rly

id say depend on income

[calm field]

aight, new re crisis for wuling. no trimmed medal, kick in the group

[river ermine]

if the income is good we chillin

[proud vector]

It’s not gonna be good enough

Will have to skip banner as f2p for sure for sure

[glass birch]

Basic Attack; 5 sequence attack.
BS; 1-2 SEQ attack.
BS SEQ1; phys damage. applies lift. If target already has 1+ vuln stack; deals a 2nd hit.
BS SEQ2; Heat damage;
Combo; 2 SEQ attack Requires 1+ Vuln stack and 1+ Infliction stack
Combo SEQ 1; Phys damage
Combo SEQ 2; Consumes all Infliction stacks to deal higher Phys damage. Applies Lift
Ult; 3 SEQ attack. Deals increased Crit DMG.
SEQ1; multi-hit heat damage.
SEQ2-3; dagger attacks (heat damage) Final hit applies Heat Affliciton.
Talent 1; [Nicks and Scratches]; BS SEQ2 applies Razor Clawmark. Deals Phys damage over time based on ATK, increases Heat and Phys DMG recieved.
Talent 2; [Seething Blood] When Rossi deals a Critical Hit to a target with Razor Clawmark applied; deals an additional hit that heals for a certain amount of HP. If the target has Combust the damage and healing is increased.

[river ermine]

thats a definite

[drifting berry]

I know is to early but do we have any idea of which character are going to be on Rossi's team? Like Chen or something?

[proud vector]

Everything else is arbitrary personal lines in the sand so

Eh

[river ermine]

either you make a rly copege phys team like shatter or a hypercarry heat rossi

[proud vector]

Noooo clue so much depends on her numbers and role of team

[river ermine]

thats how the kit feels like so far

but we dont know number yet

[glass birch]

If building for combo dmg, Pog/Wulf/Ardelia
If building for ult/talent damage, Gil/Ake/Wulf

[river ermine]

to know if she utilize combo better or ult better

[echo cove]

At least tangtang seems quite good for farming

[cobalt basin]

her dmg being split phys/heat is already ringing alarm bells sadly

[proud vector]

Tangtang potentially fits both cyro teams

So she fine

[echo cove]

No endmin at all?

[river ermine]

tt gil is gonna be quite nice for farming now lol

[proud vector]

I hope

[glass birch]

Rossi is a dmg dealer. As a support she's just a shitty chen

[lyric shard]

tangtang looks like a great support for both Yvonne and LR

[echo cove]

Yeah, am alr using gil perli rn but w tangtang, i think it's gonna be fastah

[feral fractal]

they shoulda just made rossi an ult nuke unit

[cobalt basin]

which is funny cause she applies vuln the fastest while having phys susceptibility too, this kit is so ass

[echo cove]

Well yeah but isn't pog just worse cos i mean... Breach isn't gonna do as much as crush and u don't have a full team to benefit from breach, no?

Is pog supposed to be just battery?

[summer flower]

Ehh? Wasn't vunl in combo not in BS?

[river ermine]

she kinda is alrd though

[glass birch]

Phys damage taken; not phys susceptibility

[lyric shard]

• arts suscept
• cryo infliction
• enemy immobilization (yay no more enemy dodging yvonne ult)
• slow

[river ermine]

bs applies lift

[oblique frost]

She may beat new cyro on Laev/Gilb

[echo cove]

We'll see abt lr

[lyric shard]

cryo infliction is p good

[summer flower]

I was watching video before hand to see that

[wanton notch]

Guys, does your crit damage sometiems gets higher for no fkng reason?

[glass birch]

Her combo skill consumes infliction to deal higher phys damage. If you're building for her combo damage then you're using Pog for breach

[lyric shard]

like technically Snowshine does it for less SP with her parry

[cobalt basin]

wait is there actually a dmg taken% modifier in this game? thought it's just the devlog's wording but maybe

[glass birch]

Yeah there is

[echo cove]

It doesn't do buff so who knows rly how good it is yet. The same reason for why fluorite suck

[fickle knot]

Is Tangtang bis for Yvonne?

[glass birch]

Look at Clannibal

[cobalt basin]

neat

[proud vector]

Read damage formula online friend

[lyric shard]

she has arts suscep

[drifting quest]

attacks with multiple hits can individually crit or not crit, without showing off the crit text

[drifting quest]

we dont know but it looks promising yes

[daring dove]

They should of just made her do something / anything for any of the existing teams. RN she seems set up for characters coming in 1.2 or later.

[wanton notch]

I meant that I dont crit for 300k with SUSCEPTIBILITY APPLIED + 4 breach.
It is was in realm of 250k usually

[echo cove]

Yeah but breach amplifies phy damage. What phy dmg r u trying to amplify? Isn't it better to just crush it rite away for big pp dmg

[lyric shard]

cool we're gonna get arts + phys mixed comp

[summer flower]

Ohh yea, good timing is 2 vunl

[fickle knot]

I wish she can group an enemy

[summer flower]

2 vunl in one combo skill

[river ermine]

that timing looks very forgiving lowk

[glass birch]

What phys damage are you trying to amp? Rossi's combo? It works like LR's combo but deals phys damage while consuming inflictions.

[wanton notch]

Literally same gear. Same builds on everyone.

[cobalt basin]

well that's one way to fuck up the buffs but yeah seems that way

[feral fractal]

they make you think twice about pulling her then later release the characters that MIGHT complement her kit what sorta marketing strat is this

[drifting quest]

likely critting different parts

[echo cove]

We dk the number yet for that. Thing w lr is, she's contesting lr's support which alr fits so well together.

Yvone team isn't as well woven aside from the 3 core so t2 will have an easier time to slot in there

[river ermine]

its

fineee

on rossi banner we'll get news on 1.2

[drifting quest]

the gilberta effect

[wanton notch]

literally same rare fish. It just randomly crit does 10k+ damage on top for no reason

[river ermine]

chill guys

[summer flower]

Yep

[fickle knot]

I wonder if rossie will be what character to replace in mono physical team?

[proud vector]

She is also crit so I guess she scales both anyways lol

[echo cove]

Idk? That's why am asking why not just crush instead of breach?

[glass birch]

none; she's a shitty chen in mono phys

[drifting quest]

unless her numbers are ridiculous she is not replacing anyone in mono phys

[glass birch]

Because if you're using endmin/da pan you're better off using Chen and the mono phys team we currently have

[daring dove]

Just need an PHY DPS that happens to apply art inflicts during her BS / Burst an suddenly Rossi will be meta... But also tied to said characterr like her life depends on it.

[sterile herald]

did i hear somewhere we are getting higher tier gear in 1.1

[fickle knot]

Wow I guess her value isn't that good, while Tangtang is hoping good value in Yvonne team

[lyric shard]

no but we get more gear

[proud vector]

A 6* shatter dps

[feral fractal]

cuprium gear

[proud vector]

Shatter endmin! Cyro form!

[lyric shard]

shatter is poor man's phys ngl

[glass birch]

Its just extra gold gear options

not higher tier gear

[summer flower]

No SP cost infliction and we set for Rossi

[sterile herald]

hm. so should i hold off on doing gear upgrades until new stuff drops just in case

[summer flower]

Or infliction with vunl maybe?

[lyric shard]

so basically she's having the Yvonne situation lmao
no support but has the potential to be good

[proud vector]

Meant genshin style alternate endmin form haha given grand vision works on solidify

[echo cove]

And how's using pog makin it better? Breach works like corrosion but for phy team, rite?

[fickle knot]

But there will going to be a new materials for the upgraded gear

[echo cove]

Hm... W8 actually i think am starting to understand why

[summer flower]

Yea, no use for stockpile I have when it comes to new gear

[echo cove]

Don't mind me, am dumb

[summer flower]

Good thing I have stopped production

[feral fractal]

yeah im pretty sure it's a new tier

[glass birch]

Breach increases all phys damage and allows for a way to consume vulnerability stacks; which would allow Ardelia to apply susceptibility.

[echo cove]

So that's just basically gonna be hyper carry rossi as main dps+3 sup i take it?

[lyric shard]

Breach is a +dmg taken on enemies
it doesn't do it like Corrosion who does it over time
breach once applied is applied at full "power" kind of

[daring dove]

Yeah I suppose the one good thing is we'll know exactly what we're getting in 1.2 before her banner ends if they make her second half which it appears they will.

[glass birch]

her kits geared towards her being a carry

not a support

[river ermine]

breach is physical's electrification

[cobalt basin]

except if you breach in a rossi team, now it doesn't buff 4 physical units, and Rossi's damage herself is hybrid

[echo cove]

So electrification

[lyric shard]

yes kinda

[river ermine]

corrosion works on both phys and arts.

[lyric shard]

TIL

[cobalt basin]

just run perlica gilberta rossi +1

[river ermine]

its a resistance reduction

[echo cove]

Yeah i was questioning that earlier but i think am starting to understand what they r trying to say

[river ermine]

phys has a resistance parameter

[fickle knot]

I wonder how many pulls we will get in next update, but endfield pls just remove the limited pulls for the specific character is suck ass

[river ermine]

at least 2

[glass birch]

10 from version update
5 each for rossi and tang tang from daily logins
5 each for rossi/tang tang in shop
Exploration rewards
Event rewards

[river ermine]

etchspace salvage reward

[lyric shard]

Etchsp*ce

[river ermine]

and uh

[echo cove]

Oh w8 huh?

[river ermine]

some standard hh

[glass birch]

And the usual Daily/Weekly

[river ermine]

i wonder how much will we get

and if i can get p4 ardelia

[lyric shard]

I want P1 Lifeng tbh

[daring dove]

I reckon you'll get a minimum of 60-70 pulls ver version update.

[echo cove]

Just use ur selector

[glass birch]

Around there

[fickle knot]

I wish they add in the weekly rewards

[river ermine]

no thats for p5

[outer ermine]

man all the yvonne clears r now coming in but not lr we jsut cant crit omg

[fickle knot]

They need to have set where it increase crit damage bro if not we can't reach big number

[edgy crater]

p5 Yvonne too strong lol

[glass birch]

The other thing about rossi; she'll run 2 different sets depending on the team comp If you're building for ult she'll likely want MI Security like Yvonne, while wanting Combo dmg% if building for that

[proud vector]

Or consider - crit unit

[edgy crater]

btw hifu, bout triggerring lr bs after cs, can it be done?

[feral fractal]

maybe the new MI security gear set

[echo cove]

What clear?

[lyric shard]

I pray to god HG won't go down the Hoyo path and make like 10 billion crit DPSers

[glass birch]

Could be.

[daring dove]

I mean I kinda suspected Yvonne would clear faster than LR once people got her properly built. But to be honest there's still doesn't seem to be too much in it. I know you showed that "6 second" clear earlier. But precasting her ult before even engaging the enemy an starting the counter seems to be stretching the rules of said engagement a lot.

[summer flower]

Precast is gonna be valid after patch

[drifting quest]

current speedrunning goes off when the boss is aggro'd, not entering stage
it's arbitrary its just what caught on

if you do on stage load yvonne clears slower than lr

[fickle knot]

Atleast no rng with gear, except essence they can suck my ass instead

[summer flower]

Because then it's not just souping for energy

[safe nymph]

well we only have one crit dps rn so i can say for certain they will add more

[outer ermine]

idk i misread this earlier ngl

[lyric shard]

good thing we're getting essence guarantee boxes

[glass birch]

Another note for Rossi; There doesnt seem to be any Ult energy gain in her kit....... I dunno if building for ult will be the way to go

[feral fractal]

rossi kinda is a crit dps

[lyric shard]

I hope they'd be unique tbh

instead of "this guy can crank out 1% more DPS with the same crit set!!!!!!"

[safe nymph]

yeah where the crits add unique effects and isn’t just a crit

[glass birch]

She is a crit dps. One of her skills buffs CR and CD, her ult deals higher CD, and she has a talent where crit make her deal extra hits

[outer ermine]

we're already over those rules, its been decided timer when hp shows as a community rule
most runs does it

[lyric shard]

"if this unit lands a critical hit inflicts X susceptibility"

[outer ermine]

yvonnes already at 5.13s or sum shit

[edgy crater]

so u just yvonne ulti on the last hit

[safe nymph]

or does a seperate atk or creates a little aoe dmg effect or some kind of elemental infliction

[glass birch]

Rossi does seperate attacks when she crits

[fickle knot]

Is Tangtang first phase?

[glass birch]

March 12-29 or so

[river ermine]

first phase yes

[edgy crater]

so it cant?

[safe nymph]

bruh a whole month i gotta wait for rossi

[lyric shard]

"if this unit lands a critical hit, triggers a microstun (welcome back Kroos the Keen Glint)"

[feral fractal]

tangtang fans sleeping well tonight knowing full well their character is a solid support

[glass birch]

Thats a whole month to build pulls

[fickle knot]

I need my Yvonne team to be better

[sterile herald]

me personally im just hoping endmin gets some good promotions

[river ermine]

thats a whole month and half to build pulls

[glass birch]

Honestly I'd give away my P4 Lae for rossi

[outer ermine]

wut r we trying to achieve again w it

[daring dove]

Only 2 characters this patch so she's literally here for the entire month of March once she drops.

[lyric shard]

P5 Endmin will be insane

[safe nymph]

would actually be cool

[sterile herald]

this is my hope

i love mono phys

[lyric shard]

Kroos the Keen Glint is a cool unit

[drifting quest]

her banner will end april 15th

rossi's

[lyric shard]

Endmin casually giving out 25% ATK or something for the entire team after using Ult/BS

[edgy crater]

lr bs after cs? to break tang2 ulti earlier while not over stacking cryo stack n make surge tide alive

[drifting quest]

tangtang's is march 12th to march 29th

[sterile herald]

pray

[signal sundial]

ami being dumb or does leva's bs not proc the extra effect sometimes even with 4 stacks

[sterile herald]

you have to not cancel it with another action

[river ermine]

u need to wait

[sterile herald]

like you can dash out before she does the final hit

[rare zodiac]

And not miss

[sterile herald]

and it wont

[glass birch]

no March 7th?

[lyric shard]

I hope they lean into him being a DPS + dmg buff support hybrid
would really help with him getting powercrept later on ngl

[signal sundial]

so i am being dumb then

[safe nymph]

no i’ve definitely noticed this too?

[lyric shard]

giving everyone an unique niche would be healthy for the game's diversity

[sterile herald]

i just want to crush for 1 million is that too much to ask for

[safe nymph]

i’ll be at 4 stacks and use my skill twice and it won’t proc

it’s beyond confusing

[river ermine]

dont dodge when using skill

[lyric shard]

yeah cause there will be a point where another Crush DPS deals 2 million damage

[sterile herald]

jf you dodge or cast something else

[sterile herald]

😓

[glass birch]

dodging cancels the extra effect on Lae's BS

[safe nymph]

so i have to wait out the skill timer

[signal sundial]

curse my constant need to dash around like a hyperaggressive chihuahua

[lyric shard]

wait
imagine if Endmin use BS, THEN another Operator (prioritize Lift/Knock Down inflictor) does a free BS for one of his potentials

[river ermine]

just try out doing laev's skill without doing any dodge

[lyric shard]

cinema

[gaunt mason]

they should have endmin's combo apply one vuln

[lyric shard]

that'd be so fucking funny lmao

[calm field]

p6 endmin will fix her

[lyric shard]

finally
4 stacks of vuln with 3 skill usage

[daring dove]

I'm fine with that, but I'd ban the precasting of skills / ultimates to be honest that's just toxic & open to abuse. Not that I care much about the speed-running community they can do what they want.

[gaunt mason]

endmin truther till the end

[glass birch]

Or give endmin's BS the Gilberta treatment. Counts 1 extra vuln stack but still caps at 4

[gaunt mason]

tbh i'm fine with it too, it's just very annoying when people bring up these types of speedruns as meta

[gaunt mason]

🗣️ 🔥

[lyric shard]

honestly the current issue with Endmin is that crush is tied to 100 SP
imagine if Endmin skill refunds more SP if you consume crush stack xd

[signal sundial]

oh yea its definitely because im dashing

i didnt realise she herself did the final hit so you can cancel it

[outer ermine]

2lr 1xai 1tang would work?
or 3 4 looks good too tbh

[lyric shard]

more crush stack consumed = more SP refunded

[outer ermine]

trust in new yinglung

bench tide

[calm field]

truee, that thing will definitely fix her. we just gotta wait

[gaunt mason]

as long as it's not returns sp

[lyric shard]

SP generation
sasuga Endmin taking Pog's job

[tight flare]

would tangtang be useful for a yvonne team?

[lyric shard]

looks like it

[lyric shard]

actually no they're complimenting it

[gaunt mason]

they should just kill pog off by letting endmin breach frfr

[calm field]

tangtang gonna be useful for the entire cryo comp till eos

[edgy crater]

yeah, i fear lr gonna bench tide

wtf

[sterile herald]

do we know what all the new gear pieces are

[gaunt mason]

is it worth malding crit to hit a 1m endmin crush on swordmancer
eh i'll just wait till next patch

[elfin smelt]

WHY DO WE HAVE SO MUCH GUARDS

[edgy crater]

w8, 1 tang2 from ulti or bs?

[lyric shard]

endmin P5: After using Battle Skill, pick an operator in the team (prioritize operators who can inflict Lift/Knock Down). The chosen Operator then will follow up with a Battle Skill usage (this skill usage does not consume SP).

[lyric shard]

welcome back guardsknight

Guardsknight: Physfield

[gaunt mason]

increases vuln limit to 5 too

[gaunt mason]

[drifting quest]

5 guards, 5 strikers, 4 casters, 4 supporters, 4 vanguards, 3 defenders

not exactly a huge divide

[elfin smelt]

I mean 6* wise

[pliant python]

guard headcannon when

[elfin smelt]

whoops wrong reply

[lyric shard]

P3 Endmin: Consuming Vulnerability stacks with Constructive Sequence will generate SP based on stacks consumed

[signal sundial]

also i can feel my iq dropping when i use my levatein lineup

[drifting quest]

3 guard, 3 striker, 2 supporter, 1 vanguard, 1 caster, 1 defender

still not a huge divide

[lyric shard]

update this, we have mentally ill high school girl with an organ and a timbre now

[gaunt mason]

our endmin cope will manifest into reality

[signal sundial]

its so braindead compared to like electric

[elfin smelt]

so we have a physical stagger unit disguises as a heat unit and a physical one which can deal heat dmg

[outer ermine]

ult, plunge

[elfin smelt]

interesting timeline we have here

[gritty briar]

this has to be a 6 year old image

[outer ermine]

3 4 would be interesting tho

[lyric shard]

dude imagine if Endmin just returns 50 SP from consuming crystal and generate 100 SP by consuming 4 stacks of Vulnerability 🔥

[signal sundial]

its the original one

[calm field]

and then looking at the future, once her p5 procz, we can now activate melantha skill 🔥 ✍️

[edgy crater]

hkm yeah, but won't plunge waste time?

[oblique frost]

Not if she unlocks Gilb for Laev

[lyric shard]

Melantha skill once empowered inflicts 3 stacks of vuln with 1 usage

[dry mason]

@dry kindle @outer ermine

what do you guys think about " New gear "

[gaunt mason]

endmin stocks ⬆️

[elfin smelt]

how about a future striker's niche is plunging

[dry mason]

Brand new craftable gears or upgraded from current gears?

[outer ermine]

time for sp, plunge cancel isnt that slow

[lyric shard]

endmin remains meta until EoS

[signal sundial]

no one has watched the preview and it shows

[outer ermine]

i was trying them earlier

[edgy crater]

w8, its possible to plunge cancel?

[glass birch]

New options to pick from. They're just separate gear options

[outer ermine]

from like a guy asking abt it a month ago

[signal sundial]

its updates to existing sets, they will share the same statlines as current top tier gear, just with different 3rd lines

[edgy crater]

maybe, but its need to be cryo but dat mean facing lr lol

[dry mason]

who should I believe to

Because

[signal sundial]

the

stream

[elfin smelt]

do we fr need another cryo striker

[signal sundial]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086682564849684/1477682060771590367/image.png?ex=69a5a629&is=69a454a9&hm=3eba1f3954f8794675a579554ee7d2ad7f0d16d43cb62410a0ced54d2329741d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1529&height=860
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086682564849684/1477682061513986199/image.png?ex=69a5a629&is=69a454a9&hm=76642b432b10554ace06662f7f0b9215ee51a4a3ba3925786fb2528dee24ac15&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1529&height=860

[outer ermine]

^

[edgy crater]

no lol, we need *6 electro dps or nature

[outer ermine]

still waiting on info

[dry mason]

so these are upgradable from current gears right ?

[outer ermine]

[dry mason]

[edgy crater]

sidegrade

[glass birch]

New crafting line w/ new components

[civic wolf]

so hows the pre-TC for Tangtang and Rossi going?

[signal sundial]

[glass birch]

They're still considered "Wuling Gear" For artificing; but they're just new options to pick from

[dry mason]

so you have to

artifacing again on new gears?

with 20/40

[edgy crater]

tang2 lr -> which rot better ?????
tang2 Yvonne -> so alesh kicked lol

rossi -> no idea

[signal sundial]

💢

💢💢💢

we dont know

some chars might get new bis

[glass birch]

Yeah. But they wont replace current gear

[signal sundial]

but overall they're the same gear

[civic wolf]

dude getting Yvonne's team is cruel

[umbral galleon]

Gonna be easier to gain wuling stocks with additional outposts though

[glass birch]

Might yeah

[river ermine]

they put 0 details so we doompost them first and then say devs listened

[sterile patrol]

rossi tc

[river ermine]

marketing strategy

[dry mason]

okay

thanks

[edgy crater]

yes lol, really hurts for max arti player

[civic wolf]

wdym i want the character before and after Yvonne's banner

[river ermine]

thats just how yvonne is now

[edgy crater]

3 limited? yes LMAO

[outer ermine]

mega premium

[civic wolf]

i dont have the budget for Tangtang i think

[safe nymph]

what element is rossi

[glass birch]

phys'

[drifting quest]

you dont get it im in HELL trying to make this unit work bro

[edgy crater]

ember

[river ermine]

💳

[glass birch]

She's a phys/heat hybrid

[sterile patrol]

[umbral galleon]

imagine tang tang sig gives atk buff

[safe nymph]

interesting what the hell comp would that even be

[civic wolf]

40 pulls worth available rn, dunno if its feasible to get 80 entirely from 1.1's new content up to Tangtang's banner

[edgy crater]

yvonne itself want p5

[elder skiff]

rossi eats heat stacks to provide vuln stacks so it seems like wulf is automatically on there with a crush user

[drifting quest]

rossi needs like 5 teammates to feel good

[elder skiff]

rossi seems like a character that wanna do everything and ends up doing nothing

[drifting quest]

its miserable right now

[glass birch]

Rossi/Gil/Wulf/Ake
-or-
Rossi/Pog/Ardelia/wulf

[safe nymph]

the first one feels right but idk we will have to see

[glass birch]

could swap ake for Perlica

[drifting quest]

rossi gilb wulf pog dapan (ard/perlica/chen/etc)

[safe nymph]

sp gain in the dirt tho

[drifting quest]

6 unit team to do the same thing 4 unit teams do

[elder skiff]

who would even eat the vuln stacks on the first team lmao

[glass birch]

no one. Its built around using her ult for damage

[tight haven]

ake's sp regen was already kind of fraudulent

for shorter fights especially

[safe nymph]

does rossi ult consume it?

[elder skiff]

she converts heat stacks to vuln

[tight haven]

she's honestly a safe drop depending on your rotations

[glass birch]

Rossi consumes inflictions w/ combo skill to deal higher Phys dmg

[sterile herald]

does anyone know if we get a new endmin potential in 1.1

[safe nymph]

ah

[tight haven]

the only thing preserving ake was thermite tbh

[drifting quest]

wasnt mentioned so unlikely

but possible

[tight haven]

not mentioned at all

[sterile herald]

i will remain hopeful

[river ermine]

correction, any infliction

[safe nymph]

but i guess panda couldn’t be bad

[drifting quest]

panda is there to have a third payoff for vuln

and help stack it

[elder skiff]

ig she still kinda cheeks so far tho

[river ermine]

yeh her most likely team is hypercarry nuke heat

[glass birch]

The issue with using Rossi and worrying about consuming Vuln is that

1. You'd want not just crush; but also Breach. This means 3/4 slots are filled.
2. You'd just be better off with mono-phys.

[drifting quest]

yeah

its miserable man

im trying to find a line

[river ermine]

just dotn consume vuln and embrace gil 4 stack

[glass birch]

Like I said; theres 2 ways to build her. Multi-heat hit w/ a team that focuses on boosting her ult damage
Or high phys hits w/ breach

[summer flower]

Shatter comp?

Shatter crush comp

?

[glass birch]

Thats another reason I put Gil

If you're not consuming vuln and applying heat; Gil is a must pick

[river ermine]

like honestly shes better off in her own carry team

rather than making her into mono phys

unless you rly hate yourself and likes to kick yourself in the ball ig

[summer flower]

Man, I dunno why people are so against split DMG types

[drifting quest]

because its worse than going hard on one side

you end up with just a worse unit

[glass birch]

Because it requires so much to buff both sides

[river ermine]

ember

[gritty briar]

it's harder to buff/debuff for

[drifting quest]

or the unit is giga overtuned and it causes powercreep issues

[summer flower]

Sum just needs to be bigger than going to one side

[river ermine]

also the only universal debuff we have is corrosion

[drifting quest]

see above with powercreep issues

[summer flower]

So shatter comp is F tier?

[drifting quest]

shatter doesnt do cryo damage

in any relevant amount

[river ermine]

shatter comp is poor mans phys team aka copege

[drifting quest]

its a physical team

[glass birch]

And certain Susceptibility appliers. cough Ardelia cough

[river ermine]

thats universal debuffer

[signal sundial]

resident sheep enjoyer

baaa

[glass birch]

Ardelia be the 2 for 1 special. Corrosion + Phys/Arts suscept

[river ermine]

her corrosion kinda ass tbh

[summer flower]

But has ice DMG in team

[river ermine]

also cs condition is like

[summer flower]

Cs is easy for ardelia isn't it?

[glass birch]

Somethin is better than nothing. Especially when her Suscept has a 100% up time

[river ermine]

needs no stack/vuln

[river ermine]

not in some team

elec is hard to use ardelia

[glass birch]

30s duration + 20s cooldown on combo skill

[summer flower]

Yea, works with crush/breach and stack eating rossi

[river ermine]

bcs you want the very first final strike to be with elec inflict/electrification

[river ermine]

no lol ardel doesnt want vuln either

rossi wants 1 vuln + 1 arts inflict

[drifting quest]

its cosmetic ice damage

[ashen scroll]

Then you cant call her ass just because she not fit in a nuke team lmao

[drifting quest]

essentially negligable damage share

[summer flower]

Yea, you start with 1 vunl

[river ermine]

ardel wants 0 vulnl/arts inflict

[drifting quest]

which could be the same for rossi too

we dont know

[summer flower]

And inflictions

You end with none

[river ermine]

no wut

[summer flower]

And you start with none

[gaunt mason]

what

[river ermine]

its on final strike yk

[gaunt mason]

who are you going to kick for ardelia in phys then

[river ermine]

lifeng

[summer flower]

Ha, funny, I don't have lifeng so I don't need to kick

[gaunt mason]

you'd need five characters in a team for that scenario to be a possibility

[summer flower]

Checkmate

[gaunt mason]

oh in that case she's just a really cope lifeng

[river ermine]

better cope than ember

[gaunt mason]

true

[gritty briar]

you play shatter and pretend rossi is chen and estella is lifeng as your vuln stackers and suscept applier
estella can even provide inflic for rossi

[gaunt mason]

rossi going up against a standard character and losing

[gritty briar]

the "i didn't pull lifeng" comp

[glass birch]

Rossi's not a support

[drifting quest]

there must always be a character to slander

now that yvonne got promoted out of that seat rossi is here to take it

[summer flower]

Is Chen support?

[gritty briar]

chen does damage too and she supports

[gaunt mason]

vuln stacker and big damage

[summer flower]

Ehh, so same as Rossi maybe? Need numbers

[west viper]

i stg these gacha games insist on making hybrid units for them nust be so ass in the end

i hope it's not the case xD

[gritty briar]

we need to see if rossi phys damage is something worthwhile and whether her heat is something insane enough to build around instead

[elder skiff]

it is definitely the case

[summer flower]

Estella has cryo DMG

Yet it's not considered F tier right?

[ashen scroll]

Then again if you got to chose thick dragon or a loli , rossi should be dead on arrival

[gritty briar]

if her heat has insane multipliers then maybe you just build around it and ignore the vuln

[summer flower]

For shatter

[gaunt mason]

the devs did say rossi's damage is concentrated in her heat damage ult

[gritty briar]

if not then she's fake chen for shatter

[ashen scroll]

[glass birch]

Rossi's kit revolves around her own personal dmg while providing ammo for either pog or gilberta to support her

[teal pawn]

Yvonne needing 2 more 6*s just to be that

[safe nymph]

so seems like a huge burst character then

[teal pawn]

[summer flower]

Chen kit is around her DMG as well

[drifting quest]

i mean look at rossi

[summer flower]

And it's claimed to be 30% damage

[glass birch]

Chen's kit revolves around supporting breach/crush

[west viper]

then you have half of her kit just being useless XD

[gaunt mason]

probably? a bit strange that they introduced her as a subdps type but wtv

[drifting quest]

she needs 2 as well right now in the least cope option

[glass birch]

She just can also deal some good dmg

[glass birch]

Gilberta though. Gilberta wants vuln. She also doesnt consume vuln

[lyric shard]

Ngl she's still valid as a cope option cause her vuln app is kinda free
You're foregoing susceptibility but it's valid

[summer flower]

Like people are claiming Rossi is bad for having same quality as chen

Yea maybe go back to attacking on valid grounds like required infliction?

[gaunt mason]

chen (big damage, 3 free vuln stacks)
rossi (will do no damage in phys, not even made for phys, 2 free vuln stacks)

[summer flower]

And lemme remind you, that infliction is required for better CS

And that CS is better sp/vunl than Chen

[lyric shard]

Chen is monophys
Rossi wants arts in a phys comp which can only be found in Shatter

[safe nymph]

pog gilberta and ak?

[summer flower]

3?

[lyric shard]

Why pog

[summer flower]

Where you get 3 free from Chen?

[safe nymph]

breach idk

[lyric shard]

Breach does nothing there

[gaunt mason]

standard 4/3/4 you do 3 combos each

[lyric shard]

Breach buffs phys dmg

[safe nymph]

then panda or edmin over pog in that case

[summer flower]

By that count, if you have free infliction, then Rossi is 6

[elder skiff]

she wants combustion from wulf asw tho

[gaunt mason]

are you going to ult with 3sp and 1 combo

do you think that's realistic

[summer flower]

Vunl isn't in ulti I'm talking about

[glass birch]

W/ rossi if you're running pog then you're not running gilberta.
If you're running gilberta then you want to keep your vuln stacks at 3+

[lyric shard]

That as well, though I'd count combustion synergy as an extra tbh

[ashen scroll]

But still if theyre comparable to mere 5☆ and not looking like hot mommy , i see no reason to pull for rossi

[gritty briar]

you use estella bs and rossi combo and get 2 vuln
vs
whatever vuln bskill and chen for 2 vuln
same shit really

[summer flower]

Combo skill is 2 vunl per if conditions met

[calm field]

this is shatter

[elder skiff]

as long as they don’t look like hot mommy they won’t be good

[gritty briar]

they have like the same cooldown too

[drifting quest]

rossi is bad (relative) because

• hybrid unit that doesnt do either side better than existing options
  reliance on another unit to support her stacking
• said other unit can make her (from a glance) infliction stacking that was good pretty poor efficiency wise
• pure stacker she is worse than chen
• hybrid damage type means you can only ever buff part of her full damage profile without losing out on large buff potential
• crit reliant unit, limiting alternative gearing options significantly
• likely expensive and inefficient ult, from what we can tell, with a reliance on her additional energy procs for uptime
• not enough team slots to give her a proper hypercarry team that fulfills all her conditions, meaning she never accesses her full potential

she could be good due to several factors

• premium personal dps
• strong damage taken debuff
• further supportive weapon
• future unit releases that bridges the gap for her

[summer flower]

Combo skill is 2 vunl without BS

[safe nymph]

maybe we are just reading too much into the vuln and should ignore it ?

[gaunt mason]

are you talking about shatter instead of standard phys? if so there's not enough sp to keep up all the inflictions to proc shatter + crush + rossi combo

[river ermine]

? no one is saying she isnt?

[summer flower]

No numbers

You going off no numbers

[glass birch]

but requires 1 affliction to even use.

[drifting quest]

we dont need numbers for these things

we have rough guesses for some (e.g. ult cost)

[ashen scroll]

Yep , children should go home and sc their mommy milk

[gritty briar]

if her heat numbers are good enough to define her as a heat carry, sure. this is all a hypothetical for if it doesn't live up to it

[glass birch]

so in mono-phys Rossi can only apply 1 vuln w/ BS and cant use combo

[gritty briar]

we really don't know

[violet rose]

honestly does it matter what team she in, game too ez lol

[summer flower]

Correct

[drifting quest]

her own ult can proc her combo skill

[glass birch]

Until after she ults

[summer flower]

And that's not team for Rossi

[drifting quest]

but thats so cope

[violet rose]

people solo marbell with solo chen

[glass birch]

Extremely cope because her ult will likely be 240 energy

[summer flower]

What?

No numbers

[drifting quest]

should be like 100-120

[river ermine]

her ult applies heat

[glass birch]

for a DPS ult?

[river ermine]

i honestly think she will be 240 ult lol

[lyric shard]

Inb4 70 cause lmao

[summer flower]

Ohh Ult applies heat?

[ashen scroll]

Rossi going to be ember 2.0?

[gritty briar]

only strikers seem to have energy at like 200

[summer flower]

Okay

[glass birch]

Lae and LR both have 200+ Energy cost

[summer flower]

That is changing stuff

[drifting quest]

they are strikers

[elder skiff]

strikers vs guard

[lyric shard]

Ember better than wtvtf Rossi is

[elder skiff]

rossi is a guard

[neon knot]

anyone else finds rossi's kit really bizarre?

[drifting quest]

you can look at the energy generated by skill cast and combo cast

[gritty briar]

and usually the 200 energy strikers have their own energy charge mechanics. Rossi didn't mention any

[summer flower]

Oh no, Devs done unique kit

[river ermine]

nah laev doesnt

[summer flower]

Would you prefer repeat of kit just different element?

[ashen scroll]

Where is nicheknights when we need them

[river ermine]

wait no laev does with cs

[lyric shard]

Yes that's what the entire discussion has been since her kit got revealed
Certainly unique but lacks proper supports, reminiscence of Yvonne rn

[neon knot]

its not that its unique... you dont have enough party members slots to even synergize it

[summer flower]

Don't gonna argue with praise of ember

[gaunt mason]

meet potential child

[gritty briar]

well both her combo and battle skill have additional ult gain

[west viper]

i'd prefer a coherent kit

[safe nymph]

they prob gonna release a supp for her the patch after

[drifting quest]

i hope we get numbers asap

they make or break this unit so hard

[lyric shard]

Well that's what I'm hoping for as well

[summer flower]

Ohh

Wasn't someone talking about no Ult energy gain?

[drifting quest]

but odds are we have to wait until patch goes live

so its gonna suck

[lyric shard]

We alr got defenderknights lmao

[gritty briar]

like they're not gonna make a unit with 200-300 ult charge without adding some extra ult gain somewhere in the kit. All the chars that have this cost have ult charge stuff

[gaunt mason]

that's laev's combo description btw

[summer flower]

Ohh okay nvm

[teal pawn]

Oh wait, doesn't Rossi get vuln from BS and CS

[magic stream]

How many more physical 6 stars will we get bro

[west viper]

the thing is if her heat numbers are high enough why even have the phys part in her kit makes no sense

[magic stream]

Whyd rossi have to be a 6 star

Tragic fr

[jovial grove]

So how is tang tang ?

LR or ivone

[summer flicker]

both

[drifting quest]

prob both, moreso yvonne

there's a solid argument that you dont run tangtang in last rite teams

[lyric shard]

Duality of 1.1 kits

• Tangtang (holy fuck good cryo support for Yvonne)
• Rossi (What does she even do?)

[safe nymph]

is asia 6 month ahead like normal ak

[drifting quest]

but we're stuck waiting on numbers to say with more detail

[jovial grove]

Why

[lyric shard]

No

[neon knot]

I would've just preferred Rossi to be a premium phys dps support for endmin or premium vanguard support for laev... instead we got, wtv the fuck her current kit is

[summer flicker]

yu mean 12h ahead kekw

[ashen scroll]

what is that even mean

[elder skiff]

rossi eats stacks -> applies vuln, and it seems like the only use case for the vuln stacks is to buff gilb’s ult arts susc because other cases seem scuffed asl

[glass birch]

Rossi applies vuln from both BS and CS? BS is 1 stack and CS is 1-2 depending on timing

[safe nymph]

lmao

[teal pawn]

So many Rossi slander only for HG to roll out the teams for her later soon

[daring dove]

Create a problem sell you a solution typical gacha stuff.

[teal pawn]

She'll be tier 0 soonge

(copege)

[drifting quest]

speedrunning purposes tangtang is just too slow
sp wise tangtang can hurt your rotation, and her refunds can misalign ults ruining your rotations
if her numbers bias personal damage over supportive function then you might prefer a dedicated buffer

[lyric shard]

And it's still gonna be worse than Monophys

[drifting quest]

the yvonne effect, just pull 3 banners in a row

[teal pawn]

That's basiclly all teams let's be real

[lyric shard]

LR nuke:

[safe nymph]

prob gonna be the same thing for rossi

[drifting quest]

rossi is stuck waiting for the mifu and fangyi banners for maybe liz or the sankta guy

[edgy crater]

nah shuo, lr can run ake/alesh as 4th member, so its still possible

[lyric shard]

LR nuke can does some bonker shit

Monophys not so much ig

[west viper]

I have seen so many so called hybrid units rolled out for gachas in their early stages just for them to be just worse then mono units and the devs just drop the idea completely with any upcoming units

[drifting quest]

yeah but its suboptimal to do so

[teal pawn]

Not easier to use for some nuke per ss

[glass birch]

Kinda yay kinda nay? She needs Affliction to use her combo which can then deal 1-2 vuln stacks More inflictions just means more dmg on the combo

[teal pawn]

[edgy crater]

cant say so yet until number shown on tang2

[gaunt mason]

da pan speedrunning is pretty good but endmin speedruns are hopeless unless they buff the shit out of her pots

[jovial grove]

It's not like I pay attention to optimizing my gameplay

I'm playing a game

Optimizing = build
Gameplay = fun

Like poe

[drifting quest]

which is what i said

[drifting quest]

i mean weird you'd be asking in the theorycrafting (optimizing) channel if you don't care about optimizing

[summer flower]

Like her + Chen + additional vunl is 4 vunl

[drifting quest]

if you dont care for that then it doesnt matter

game is easy right now

[summer flower]

Quick 4 vunl and let's go

[ashen scroll]

they can have absolute garbage kit then add 1500% dmg multiplier on it

[gaunt mason]

2k rossi ult mv trust

[lyric shard]

Endmin is in a pretty sad state cause Da Pan crush is free so you can immediately take advantage of 4 stack as soon as it pops up -> allows you to fit 2 crush into 1 full stack Breach timing window
Endmin on the other hand requires SP to do so and can't even stack vuln on their own

[safe nymph]

watch her ult be some absurd multiplier

[west viper]

but where's the gameplay then

[summer flower]

Endmin crush doesn't have Cooldown

[glass birch]

Honestly

[gaunt mason]

i do like the flatter damage curve from endmin

[glass birch]

I think she'd replace lifeng now

[drifting quest]

im expecting 2-2.5k with maxed conditionals

[lyric shard]

You cannot fit 4/4/4 unlike dapan

[glass birch]

Rossi's BS applied Phys dmg taken%

but

[gaunt mason]

just a bit unfortunate that you can't reliably frontload all of it

[glass birch]

youd also need a way to apply inflictions regularly

[summer flower]

Her ultimate apparently does

[glass birch]

[summer flower]

So if breakpoints are fine and ult get is fine

Then you can use that

[lyric shard]

Unless Endmin pots do some shit like "Upon consuming Vulnerability stacks, generate SP based on stacks consumed" to balance out the SP cost from using the skill

[glass birch]

regularly though

[ashen scroll]

Eco Farm

[glass birch]

youd have to like use her ult into combo before using crush

[summer flower]

Like I wrote after, if numbers are correct

[glass birch]

and even then; you're nerfing her combo

[summer flower]

Start Ult, recover before next cycle

If CD on ult is bad then it's joever

[jovial grove]

I mean optimizing of the team and build

But not of the gameplay/rotations

[teal pawn]

wait what

[lyric shard]

Or "Upon triggering Crush, command one unit in the team (prioritize units with Knock Down/Lift) to follow up with a Battle Skill (This Battle Skill does not consume SP upon triggering)" with a cooldown of 60s or something

[summer flower]

Yea Phys and heat doesn't it?

[teal pawn]

I don't remember reading that

[ashen scroll]

what

[west viper]

that's like half of what optimising a team is, rotation

[drifting quest]

they tend to go hand in hand is the issue
there's no point optimizing your builds or team if you don't make use of the rotations that it was optimized around

things like uge%

[teal pawn]

Oh wait I guess talent 1?

[ashen scroll]

isnt Build are made based on your Rotation/gameplay ? what are we talking about

[lyric shard]

Endmin dmg is really consistent

So that's a benefit

[ashen scroll]

they should add vibecraft/feelcraft ch frfr

[lyric shard]

It's just that you can't fit 4/4/4 into 1 breach timing

Like Endmin is closer to a Striker than Da Pan I cannot lie

[west viper]

what's a 4/4/4

[gaunt mason]

see that's the thing
their vuln application is like the exact same but we don't have specific numbers for her + she applies dmg taken which is sort of saturated with breach + endmin talent 1
rossi's ult damage is hopeless in phys, it's not going to be buffed at all and if her phys damage is actually decent that means hg did a horrible job balancing her

[lyric shard]

4 stack breach followed by two 4 stack crush

[west viper]

ty

[summer flower]

is it?

[gaunt mason]

feels nice for bosses yeah

[summer flower]

wouldnt it be same calling for just crushes?

[lyric shard]

It is

[summer flower]

or for shatter?

[gaunt mason]

currently rhodagn is the only one that i can actually do a 434 on though

everything else dies in a 44

[summer flower]

or you just arbitraly decided that those dont have vunl/soldification roation siginifers?

[gaunt mason]

dorito/marble

[west viper]

also with rossi you want crit so there goes our gear options for her lol

[lyric shard]

The thing that prevents Endmin from doing two 4 stack Crush in a single Breach timing is that Endmin crush eats up SP which is needed to apply Lift and Knock Down

[summer flower]

yep

[gaunt mason]

a 3 and 4 stack crush is pretty nice as is

[summer flower]

that's why i see rossi use case, even more knowing heat infliction

[gaunt mason]

obviously a 4/4 would be better

[lyric shard]

Even with Pog you can't gen enough SP to inflict enough Vuln for 2 full stack Crush

[gaunt mason]

but rossi won't be able to enable that

[summer flower]

rossi is 2 vunl per combo

assumig ult was used

[gaunt mason]

and in a standard phys team you will only be able to trigger that once per cycle

[summer flicker]

surely the red set is an improvemeny for yvonne

[gaunt mason]

she has the exact same application as lifeng

as i've said previously

[lyric shard]

3 vuln with BS + CS with cond... Which is what Chen + Lifeng can do

[gaunt mason]

potentially worse buffs, no link, definitely less damage

[lyric shard]

Lifeng skill -> Chen CS -> chen skill

[gaunt mason]

if you force her into phys team she's just a worse version of lifeng

[summer flower]

wrong math

[jovial grove]

I just press buttons

I sutra team I do use ake skill->wolf combo->ake skill
But in generally I pop sutra ULT when I just need
(In case of bosses when charged up)

But I don't pay any attention to time perfect execution timings and shit
I just don't care
This is not fun

[summer flower]

rossi is 3 with one SP with chen

here you got 2 sp for 3 vunl

[ashen scroll]

then why are you here ?

ah i understand now why ppl think they can optimize gear while ignoring rotation made for it , they used to CritChance/CritRate slop

[summer flower]

how is that even same

[lilac bloom]

where is her 3rd vuln coming from im losing track

[lyric shard]

Rossi wants arts
Any arts (100 SP) -> her BS (100) -> her CS

[gaunt mason]

lifeng ult is 2 stacks btw

[summer flower]

her has 2 vunl

in combo

[lyric shard]

Hits like a truck as well

[gaunt mason]

in case you haven't read through his kit

[jovial grove]

Yeah
But still I don't want to have a team that doesn't work

Just dunno if Yvonne will work with tang tang
And if lr will work

I know that I want tang tang team, that's it

And I don't heb Yvonne rn

[gaunt mason]

and rossi's combo in phys is tied to her ult which doesn't inflict vuln

it works out to be the exact same

[lyric shard]

Well you NEED arts infliction for that +2 vuln

[summer flower]

ohh

well i dont have lifeng

[lyric shard]

That's another 100 SP thrown away on Arts infliction

[drifting quest]

Wait till we get more info then

[summer flower]

its not, as someone claimed its same as lifeng it seems

[lilac bloom]

rossi seems like she pairs more with ember :/

[drifting quest]

We're waiting on numbers

[gaunt mason]

you should at least scan through kits before arguing

[modern swift]

Just run rossi in a 5 man team 🥀 surely

[jovial grove]

To ask about general team composition for tang tang

[lyric shard]

You need arts infliction to trigger her CS...

[gaunt mason]

rossi p5 enables wulf to come in and inflict heat trust

[summer flower]

yea i was scanning before, kinda hard to remember every detail of something you didnt played

[teal pawn]

no

[lyric shard]

So same shit

[summer flower]

same thing

not 100sp cost

[lyric shard]

You need arts infliction -> rossi BS -> Rossi CS
Still 200 SP needed unless you're running Snowshine or some shit

[stiff eagle]

ember doesnt trigger heat, just does heat damage

[summer flower]

EHHH

[lyric shard]

Wdym ehh

[jovial grove]

I just prefer to hyper optimize build
Then play a 1 button build

Like in mentioned, Poe
Aka game where u don't use excel for theory crafting

||Bc it's impossible/tidieous to do relevant tc in excel||

[summer flower]

same as lifeng if math is same

[gaunt mason]

rossi ult inflicts heat > rossi cs > 2 vuln
you can just treat it as her ult inflicts 2 vuln

[modern swift]

yeah thats why she's a bum

[gritty briar]

ember's such a fake heat character

[barren geyser]

so does rossi fits in any physical team?

[lyric shard]

Shatter

That's it I think unless you want to run Gil + Rossi + another arts + Da Pan

[elder skiff]

she literally cannot replace anyone in the mono phys tho

[lyric shard]

We need to know her Ult energy cost first
If it's like 70 SP then maybe

[modern swift]

phys without pog is good? 😭

[stiff eagle]

surely we get some phys dps that also naturally inflicts an element

[summer flower]

lifeng? perhaps??

[lyric shard]

What is breach gonna do with this team

????

[elfin smelt]

didn't expect estella getting powercrept

[ashen scroll]

good luck

[lyric shard]

Exactly this

[barren geyser]

i'm already using a shatter variation with estella gilberta chen endmin. she could replace chen i guess? idk

[icy remnant]

Very possible given the speed of which Rossi might be able to inflict Vuln

[lyric shard]

Her kit is really clunky, does everything and nothing at the same time