theorycrafting

[outer ermine]

[molten star]

What does will on gib do

[rare zodiac]

dmg

[unreal light]

Mainstat increases your attribute multiplier by Stat/2

substat by stat/5

[rare zodiac]

her support capacity isn't tied to main/sub stat, so it will only affect dmg

[chilly bolt]

dps gil

[unreal light]

Attribute multiplier multiplies your base dps by 100+attribute multiplier %

[molten star]

Can I leave her weapon like this

[unreal light]

You can

[chilly bolt]

that's perfect

[unreal light]

That’s awful

[rare zodiac]

i would max efficiency too

[chilly bolt]

oh ult gain too

[unreal light]

They don’t have essence for ult gain

[chilly bolt]

idk i never had her sig

[unreal light]

Nor for will

[molten star]

I have a perfect essence buts it's only +1 pursuit

[rare zodiac]

gilb breakpoint is different in each team but i don't see it any lower than 200% ever

[unreal light]

Did it drop with +3 pursuit?

[molten star]

+3 pursuit is purple

[unreal light]

Ah then sorry

I thought it’s a non-perfect etched essence

[chilly bolt]

some purple essence are cracked fr

[rare zodiac]

i pull one with +4 before

[midnight stirrup]

Scales with it

[molten star]

Does it becomes harder to dodge on LR if she's in between her last 2 basic attacks?

[neon cave]

Do we have numbers for how long the base rate is for our ops making 1 clue in RR?

[daring dove]

Strength stackers get the benefit of a really nice HP pool, my LR isn't even close to finished yet an already has 8.4k HP. Guessing close to 9k when she's done.

[molten star]

At at 670 str and she's at 8.845

[floral cradle]

Is there any resource out there that's like the community standard for damage formulas (and other formulas)?

Like, if I wanted to make my own math (like when people say weapon X is 81% of weapon Y), where would I start

[midnight stirrup]

No there is no animation lock

But tbf these are questions u can test urself

[drifting quest]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19Nk6BEH-FLYpZ6nKVAhAOeYiSBjnf6a0HTNYFbNJ0Ss/edit?tab=t.xeacn84zq953

you'll want extra stuff regarding frame data, hitlag, sp, ult gain, etc etc

[molten star]

Hmm yeah like 90% of thr time when I do the last basic attack on an enemy, the time slows down ruining the dodge timings

[drifting quest]

timelining system

probably some other stuff im forgetting

[floral cradle]

thank you so much

[rare zodiac]

do we have frame data somewhere? or i have to count it myself?

[drifting quest]

it's saved somewhere

can try backsearch links

[midnight stirrup]

Uh

Like the game becomes slow and its not bc of perfect dodge?

[chilly bolt]

It's hitstop

[molten star]

No like the enemy becomes slow for a split second and it rujns the timing

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

Then its skill issue I fear

https://youtu.be/bnhG3sKre6I?t=103&si=Lkk0-z7HRhnmdpbe I thought u meant this

[rare zodiac]

this ?

[molten star]

The actions of enemy gets delayed. And when it happens after the red thing comes, I end up dodging too soon

[midnight stirrup]

No clue

I only ran into above timestamp

[rare zodiac]

ah so the enemies thing, not yourself

[midnight stirrup]

At marble specifically

[rare zodiac]

i actually experienced this a few time in the early days of PGR Babel

[chilly bolt]

I think you're referring to hitstop but i dont think hitstop is significant enough for you to miss time your dodge

[molten star]

I usually press dodge like after that red bar that shows the enemies attack appears, but the hitstop thing slows down the enemies attack like a second causing me to miss the dodge

I mean the red lighting

[chilly bolt]

When you hit the enemy the game slows down for a fraction of second, that's hitstop, idk if happens to ranged unit but at least it happens to all melee units

But like, it's very insignificant it shouldn't be an issue

[warm galleon]

A nice way of saying skill issue

[molten star]

I don't think I felt that with laev only with last rite

[chilly bolt]

Yeah i think it's more noticeable on greatsword users

[molten star]

And even with last rite, only on her last basic attack. The attack before finisher.

[rustic tartan]

Some attacks trigger hitstop in specific situations but in all honesty hitstop slows down the entire world so if anything it should make dodging easier

[outer ermine]

i think this been me for a few hrs yesterday

now i cant iframe for shit

i even made sure to take 3hr naps every 5hrs

[noble tapir]

What should I be priroritizing for artificing on my Yvonne. I'm running one slab.

[drifting quest]

whats your current cr

[noble tapir]

I maxed the cr on my toolkit already, it's the only artificing I've done on her so far

What I'm at so far ooc

[drifting quest]

if you're batk/batk/crit/slab, only artificed cr then you're somewhat safe to like
slab main stat% > gloves batk% > body int > gloves int > body batk% > mi kit int > body agi > slab int > gloves agi > mi kit agi

just be sure the cr you have feels good for you

before committing

gloves int and body batk% might be comparable and could be swapped around

[noble tapir]

awesome, thanks

[drifting quest]

thats also purely from memory so dont quote it as gospel

double check it seems reasonable value wise

[noble tapir]

Yeah

artificing alongside building up her sig essence, so I should be fine enough on crit rate

At like 3/3/3 right now or something like that but I'll get there lol

[outer ermine]

just saw the vid of that one lr clear crit fishing w cs+ult

i can still keep going

[rustic tartan]

Wtf are you doing to yourself

[outer ermine]

critfishing w lr

[pure spoke]

tang tang when

[drifting quest]

news in what 15h

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-arknights-endfield-dap-dap-up-gif-3255160427960131127

[chilly bolt]

Just wait faster

[drifting quest]

kyostinv reference

i forget which video it was

[outer ermine]

alot of them

[drifting quest]

i only recall the one where he said 'to start with wait harder'

[olive mauve]

I didn't know you could have 5 numbers on the end instead of 4..

[tall swift]

i bet it's bc too many used the name Endmin

either that or Endmin is the default

[midnight stirrup]

Increases with the amount of accounts joined

Cant stay in 1000 forever

[warm galleon]

It's the number of times you reroll

[willow valve]

Does anyone have any reccomendations on how to optimize phase one of Marble Aggelomoirai with Laevatain? I cant seem to get a good pace on hilling the 4 tentacles which is where I think most of my time loss is for trimming

[drifting quest]

popping ult at the first tentacle should let you kill 2 if not 3 with proper timing and routing

[midnight stirrup]

Dont play Laev into marble

[drifting quest]

if you pop it too early, or dont have good routing or otherwise lack damage

then it can be worse

but thats simply a

[fleet heron]

How come the guide in the pins say to go with swordmancer set for Lifeng? Wouldn't aethertech be amazing for him because he gives so much vuln? He'd be self buffed very consistently.

[drifting quest]

go practice

[drifting quest]

stagger converts to team damage, finisher damage, the procs from it do add up over time

afair it has better stats for lifeng

and lifeng doesnt stack aethertech that well anyway, with downtime on it too in a lot of rotations

[distant python]

yeah but arts intensity from aethertech increases the damage and stagger of knockdown/lift

[willow valve]

Mhm, tried like twice since - sadly havent gotten below the 246... keep grinding I guess

but also ran out of ult regen stuff now so ult runs yay

[distant python]

just go hit overworld enemies for ult gen

[willow valve]

thats what I am doing but I have to keep looking for new guys to murder xD

[distant python]

it shouldnt be that bad, and if it take forever to get ults then maybe thats why you are struggling in recrisis

just go to alluvium and spawn them in

[willow valve]

Nah, its just the running around looking for new groups

[distant python]

go to the alluviums and start one, you dont need to spend sanity

[willow valve]

... OH FFS WHY HAVENT I THOUGHT OF THAT

THAT WOULD HAVE SAVED ME SO MUCH TIME WHEN I WAS DOING RHODAGON

welp, didnt matter - got it on the next try

Any other interesting mdeals to fill out and trim? xD

[drifting quest]

you can get (less) AI from swordmancer
but stacking so much AI giga griefs your damage and lifeng doesnt even apply much of it

[distant python]

skill and ult no?

[distant python]

[drifting quest]

skill is once per rotation, ult is once per 3 rotations

[willow valve]

Okay? :D Any interesting/fun ones to do under them?

[drifting quest]

skill doesnt even apply knocked down anyway, iirc

[distant python]

theres the parry one, the kill enemies from 20m up one

[willow valve]

I think I have the latter one of those

[drifting quest]

since for one, there's no vuln on the enemy to begin with
and for two, it ignores the knock down check to apply susceptibility instead iirc

[proper walrus]

which chest does alesh use?

[frigid vector]

Frontiers Armor T3

you want the secondary attribute to get better fish chances

should be safe to roll regardless of whether you're building frontiers 3p or ult gain (just swap tube for seal depending on mode)

[proper walrus]

how is main slot alesh?

cause yvonne ult will auto switch to her anw

[drifting quest]

its safe in that xaihi and like akekuri can situationally use it i guess but some alesh builds have uge chest unless im misremembering

[frigid vector]

wdym main slot alesh

as in controlled operator?

[proper walrus]

yep

[frigid vector]

you'd want yvonne to be main anyways as her final strike talent only applies to her

[proper walrus]

bruh

[frigid vector]

his basics are also physical dmg

so you're just losing out on cryo

[frigid vector]

wouldn't he always be on frontiers or ult?

trying to think what the threshold or use case would be

[drifting quest]

there's a couple 240% fortmaker rots i think

i dont think they're good either

so moot point i guess

[frigid vector]

still worth calling out I suppose

just pray for fish 😔

[drifting quest]

its like 3skill 2combo which you dont make without fortmaker but then like 4skill 2combo doesnt need chestpiece

[proper walrus]

so in yvonne team, she 100% needs to be controlled op?

[drifting quest]

100% need? no
but there's like no real reason not to control her other than 'i dont like how she looks'

[soft tendon]

is this the right loadout for bk set or do i need to switch out gloves

[proper walrus]

but you lose the final strike talent?

[drifting quest]

yes

[proper walrus]

i just like male chars lol

[frigid vector]

I feel you man 😔

[drifting quest]

you're going to be forced into her whenever you ult anyway

might as well get used to it

[proper walrus]

this is why i play pog main instead

i would play lifeng for more males but ember just makes the gameplay 10x more comfy

[gritty briar]

play catcher for more men

[frigid vector]

the most based option

[proper walrus]

i wanna build him but my yvonne gilb and laeva still lvl 1

sustain wise how much worse is catcher compared to ember?

[gritty briar]

well he doesn't heal at all by default

there's some weapons that give healing but i dont know if any are good

[drifting quest]

both are worse than the best sustain in the game (the dodge key)

[proper walrus]

try dodging the gas chamber

[drifting quest]

just kill it faster

if people can solo dps it with no sustain you can do it with 4 units

[gritty briar]

oh former finery would give him healing but it would probably cripple his damage

not even the right attribute

[tame sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1rhevul/tech_from_cn_big_brain_banner_pulling_strategy/

Optimizing pull resources is also TheoryCrafting, so posting this here

finally got the energy to type it out

[drifting quest]

i cant wait to read nonsense

pulling strategy that isnt saving for guarantee of desired units

[proper walrus]

i thought it only heals the user

aka only catcher

[gritty briar]

restores whoever's protected and takes damage

catcher skill gives protection to everyone nearby

[drifting quest]

'assuming the 50/50 is always lost'
'expected pull value of 70'

???????

[proper walrus]

ohhh i got it confused with ember's protection

ember only protects herself right

[gritty briar]

seems like it

[tame sand]

read like a book

[drifting quest]

i read the whole thing

it's just as bait as you'd expect

assumes people have income to compensate for fucking it up if they get unexpected rng
assumes people are going to be pulling on every banner
assumes people are willing to continue pulling to match their pity with the requirement, even if they dont want to pull more

etc etc etc

[tame sand]

It doesn assume poeple are pulling in every banner? In fact, people not pulling in every banner is why it works

The post also explained the probablities when you dont follow the strat

"assumes people have income to compensate for fucking it up if they get unexpected rng" This confuses me so if you want to explain this I can talk about it

[gritty briar]

what even is the plan here? What exactly does "make sure your pity is at 30" entail?
Are you suggesting to stop doing the free tickets on other banners from login if at 30? pretty sure you'd end up wasting more arsenals than you'd gain from doing this
Or are you suggesting to just pull 30 times on some banner before it if you have no pity beforehand? Cause that's also a lot of value wasted

[drifting quest]

you're planning around being left at 30 pity deep (50 to guarantee) on each banner
if you're at a higher pity it can misalign your calcs
if you're at a lower pity you have to commit more pulls into it > getting a 6* means committing more pulls to catch up
pull income is limited so it can lead to potentials on a unit they don't want potentials for in a desparate attempt to minmax
it assumes people purely dont care about what 6* drops and are happy with potentially just useless pots (e.g. yvonne p1 90% of the time)

its the facade of a more efficient pulling system

[tame sand]

If your pity is at 30, you will be able to pull three 6* characters in a single banner: one at 40th pull, one at 110th pull, and then hit the Guarantee for 3 in total

[gritty briar]

yeah but what if you are not at 30?

[tame sand]

all of these were explained in the post! I will talk about the point you want to discuss

[tame sand]

then you either wait between banner to let the sign-ins catch you up, or consider investing pulls to start Big Brain, weighing what you want vs how much it costs. The posts outlighs the cost and benefits.

[drifting quest]

if im at 30 > do the free pulls > get a unit
then whats the point in doing more to get back to 30 if the hits are dogshit

it does not get me any closer to the guarantee of 120

pulls are a scarce resource it's encouraging useless gambling to maybe win more

[tame sand]

This is explained in when EV is not 70. You just pulled super early, so just start fresh in the target banner.

you dont invest more, you pivot back to Conclusion 1

[drifting quest]

which is the case almost all the time

[tame sand]

no...? Pulling around 70 pulls is the case most of the time

how often do you get 6* at around 40 pulls

[drifting quest]

you make an assumption > assumption dictates EV > you base more assumptions about EV > use those to come to conclusion

[drifting quest]

its skewed shorter than that

[tame sand]

it is skewed shorter than that but most of hits start after 65. You are not going to pull early than that most of the time.

[gritty briar]

okay so if i'm at 30 pity, should i stop using the free tickets to maintain the 30 pity before the banner I want? What if the banner i want is like 5 banners away? wouldn't i lose more arsenals by not doing them?

[drifting quest]

most of the hits being post 65 does not change the expected value being skewed below 70

this is also only for any 6*

when the whole point of the system is to chase rate ups

[tame sand]

What assumptions do you want to challenge? i have changed those assumptions around and explained what to do in the post about them. You can let me know what you want to test

[tame sand]

If you are at 30, feel free to use free tickets but no need to invest more before target banner.

However if you really really want to use Big Brain, you may choose to ignore free tickets after 60 pity if you fear it might pull

[drifting quest]

EV is not 70 in almost every case
50/50 isnt something to base on since there isn't even a 50/50 in the game (its also skewed in favour of rate up)
pulling into banners with units you dont want is bait
based around the assumption of 30/120 split which isnt a realistic assumption to base off

more if i backread

[daring dove]

I mean the odds of this are pretty small as it just assumes you fail 3 50/50's no? I get it, it's a min max strat an you're trying to rng the ideal outcome or at least minimized the chances of being utterly destroyed. But ultimately it's not very real world. There's two ways to play the game in my opinion either you're just trying to maximize pull economy. In which case target 60 pulls on every banner for the two x 10 pull rebates. Or just head-hunt the characters you specifically want by saving to 120 then pulling for said characters.

Gaming the system beyond that just creates too much RNG.

[tame sand]

This is all explained in the post, so I will forcus on explaining to the other user here.

[tame sand]

Give me a scenario where you would be worse off from Conclusion 1? Then we can talk. most of these were addressed in the post already.

[drifting berry]

How do people manage to make these type of videos? There hasn't been any new info since we got the roadmap

[drifting quest]

lying

plus leaks

but mostly lying

[outer ermine]

shocks

[drifting quest]

i spend 30 pulls on banner 1 > i get a 6* i dont want

[daring dove]

AI generated slop a lot of the time, Genshin is riddled with them. Usually each video is also promoting a site similar to loot bar as well in which they get a rebate when people make purchases.

[tame sand]

at this point Im questioning if you read the post at all... this was all explained in the body

like do you want me to copy paste the text from the post here or

[drifting quest]

yes, you covered points about not doing it
but you did it in a poor way and the main body is about how good it is, even your tldr shills for it

its misleading at best, dishonest at worst

[gritty briar]

idk this seems like it gains you very low value on average
I don't agree with the numbers either because assuming you always only get 6 stars from pity is a bad assumption.
Sometimes you do get more than exactly 2 6 stars on your way to guarantee.

[drifting quest]

its based on numbers that arent realistic yes

thats a different issue

since you just cannot accurately calculate these things anyway

[tame sand]

if you think the numbers are wrong you are always welcomed to calculate them to disprove it

thats what most people in CN are doing lol

[drifting quest]

i dont have several days to code monte carlo simulations lmao

[gritty briar]

I think this sort of thing is easier to test with a simulator script than with math for sure

[tame sand]

Im bad at writing, so I will admit the post might not be good, but I am willing to explain the points where you think are poorly explained

[tame sand]

many people did though!

[drifting quest]

do you have links

since the post has none

[tame sand]

yeah, for which number?

[drifting quest]

the entire thing

[tame sand]

well thats too many posts to link

[drifting quest]

there shouldnt be more than a couple, if there are even a couple

if its actual monte carlo simulations

it should account for the entire thing

maybe if they were being lazy its several simulators for different cases

i could see that

[tame sand]

https://nga.178.com/read.php?tid=46036271&_fp=10

here is a good one

should cover most of the points you want to see

[wanton notch]

He is dogshit if you want use him as sustain.
Just use Ardelia if you really need it

[gritty briar]

Like there has to be less than a 25% chance of scenario 3 in a realistic scenario because 25% only works out if there's exactly 2 coinflips.
The problem is that 2 is the actual minimum and you can randomly get 3 or 4 six stars, so if that happens, the chance of scenario 3 is lower.

I know you laid out that the assumption is that it takes exactly 70 so there would be exactly 2 so technically the numbers are true under those assumptions, but i think using assumptions of the literal perfect scenario for a strategy is misleading.

[wanton notch]

Sole reason to play Catcher is either you like Parry enemies or you just have nothing else to do

[tame sand]

if you get 3 or 4 six stars thats better overall? The goal is to maximize 6 stars

[drifting quest]

i mean im a few scrolls in

and it already has issues mathematically

im not sure what this is meant to solve

[tame sand]

the posts explains when it takes longer than 70 so thats covered as well

[drifting berry]

Are the any calculation or simulations done for the 30-120 thing?

[gritty briar]

like if you ever get a 6 star early before pity, trying to line up your pity so you'd get them right before the guarantee was a worthless endeavor because it just misaligns when you get all your 6 stars

[drifting quest]

if the entire thing is based on incorrect math

then its naturally problematic

[drifting quest]

so far it doesnt look like it

there's math

but it makes poor assumptions

so its inaccurate

[tame sand]

what scenarios would misaligh? Let me know what have I not covered yet

[tame sand]

many

post linked above for one

[drifting quest]

the top comment literally says there's problems with the math too

lmao

hell there's a bunch of comments complaining about the math lmao

[tame sand]

yeah I just pulled ta random one

[drifting quest]

if you've got more ill look at them

but this one was both not an actual simulation and had bad assumptions

[tame sand]

https://nga.178.com/read.php?tid=46013881&_fp=13

sure

think I missed an "least" here previously

changing people who may interpret differentl than what I originally intended to say

[drifting quest]

so this one has

similar issues

less

but still some of the same ones crossed over

again

[tame sand]

what are they

[drifting quest]

the comments highlight this

[tame sand]

I might suggest to thenm

oh they are covered then

[drifting quest]

unless im giga blind a lot of these are not covered

it also assumes

whales lmao

who will be buying currency every banner

a large part of the assumption in the math here

is buying OP

unless im missing something

[daring dove]

I mean above everything else the entire concept basicallly ignores human nature. People aren't doing their gacha pulls like a mathematics problem anyway. It's mostly "me like this character me pull" & "Me no like this loser me skip". For 95% of the players that's as deep as it will get. Like I said earlier, even pull for pull economy if all you care about is account value & have no attachment to certain characters in which cased you get 80 pulls for the price of 60 every banner. That or just do the sensible thing an pull for the characters you like or think will meaningfully improve your account.

It doesn't need to be that deep.

[drifting quest]

one of the big disclaimers is that the more OP you buy the less it punishes you

it also doesnt look to be simulated either

but thats from a rough glance

well thats a lie

[gritty briar]

Okay so your assumption is that you'd start with 30 pity, and in your 120 pulls, you'd reach your pity at 70 pity each time, meaning you'd hit it at pull 40 and pull 110, and then you'd get the guarantee for 3 6 stars in total.
How this can end up worse is actually just another scenario where the downside of scenario 2 happens, beyond what you mentioned as your stated 25%.
Say you get a 6 star in the first pull just from random luck. Even if it isn't the rate up, you have now wasted the 30 pity buildup. now your lineup is pointless, because it's basically as if you hadn't done the strategy of building the 30 at all, because it's gone immediately. This is what i mean when i say there's an additonal chance of it being a wasted endeavor.
This is a chance you are excluding.

[drifting quest]

it is simulated

just in way way way too little a quantity

minus some required additions

[gritty briar]

If you ever get the a character early in these pulls, the benefit of you saving 30 pity before this was just kind of meaningless and you are not representing this chance at all with your percentages

[drifting berry]

Like I understand the logic but also looking at the comment, not knowing the pull economy of future versions makes it difficult to conclude if this strategy is viable or not.

Basically using this strategy you look to maximize the amount of rewards that can be obtained from the banner, mainly arsenal currency or off-rate 6* character, but consequently it also increasing the relative cost of getting the up-rate character you are looking for.

Also while you are building pity from the initial 30 pulls you do on the previous banner you are also risking getting a 6* operator within those pulls.

[gritty briar]

I am open to the idea that maybe starting with 30 pity has a slight statistical advantage in the amount of 6 stars you get compared to starting with a pity of some other number.

The problem with the post i have is you are excluding so many variables that i can't just take your word for it. And even if i believed you, i don't know the exact amount of benefit is provided so i can't properly do any cost-benefit analysis of doing something like doing any more or less pulls to make sure i started with 30. I also just don't think the benefit would be very big if it was the case.

[tame sand]

Do you mean 1st pull in targeted banner? Ah yeah I cant explain this one away without doing simulations, which I will defer to people who can program/math.

[tame sand]

You dont have to take my word for it, again this is all a "CN Tech"

they are still debating this to current day

so it would be foolish me to state decisive conclusions

[gritty briar]

Yes. There is some probability that you just get a 6 star and destroy pity within the first 20 pulls of the targeted banner, making the buildup of the 30 pity before the banner worthless.
If this is getting excluded in the math, how can we call this a proper evaluation of the worth of building 30 pity?

The chance that it does nothing needs to be included

[lilac bloom]

https://youtu.be/mdqUlWtcIzo?si=5LKH0VSWjl8gD6pA is phys just incapable of this kind of burst damage 😭 i don't understand

[gritty briar]

If you don't know then that's fine, i don't blame you and i don't know either. I'm just stating my problems with the theory as it's being presented

it just isnt enough for me

[drifting quest]

phys has a shorter speedrun

[tame sand]

no thats perfectly all good!

[lilac bloom]

is it a pots thing or just skill issue

[drifting quest]

bit of both probably

[lilac bloom]

what's the comp for that phys clear?

[tame sand]

thanks for the thoughts

[drifting quest]

lifeng chen pog dapan

[lilac bloom]

is there a vid with the loadouts?

[drifting quest]

i can find the 25s one that was posted before

but it's sub 25s now

[lilac bloom]

either works

[drifting quest]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16TFez1Ej6

lifeng pots matter, pog ones dont

lifeng pots arent hugely important i guess

[lilac bloom]

even my da pan isnt p5

[drifting quest]

definitely impact it but given other time saves id expect lower pot lifeng can get sub 30 easily

[lilac bloom]

i think it might be endmin vs dapan?

[twilit quail]

basically rhodan has 0 hp and the curve of the damage

is more important

[lilac bloom]

my team uses endmin and i dont have many weapon potentials

[twilit quail]

than how much damage you deal in one rotation

[drifting quest]

yeah

[twilit quail]

endmin's damage is by nature further back

in the rotation

and thus is hopeless for speedrunning

[gritty briar]

oh hi iana

[lilac bloom]

even with like, 4 stacks of vuln, lifeng's phys susceptibility, pog breach with high arts intensity and originium crystals on the target like

i dont get that much out of ult + skill

[gritty briar]

do you happen to know if there's any leaderboard site or compilation for speedruns?

[lilac bloom]

as i see with that da pan

probably also has to do with the p5 exemplar and mountain bearer

[gritty briar]

wondering if there's some arkrec equivelant for endfield

[twilit quail]

there are videos where people compile them

as more of ablog post

but no site

with endmin you are missing out on 4 stacks of application

which just immediately kills it

[drifting quest]

could probably put some time into a google doc of clears i guess

[tribal magnet]

game dying nobody delivering

[lilac bloom]

u mean compared to da pan?

[drifting quest]

its officially on my to do list so itll get done sometime between tomorrow and never

[lilac bloom]

i think these are probably 2 of my largest pain points

[twilit quail]

I could do it but Im too concerned with playing other games rn

[lilac bloom]

my chen's attack looks really pathetic it hurts

[tribal magnet]

well she's agility type, she supposedly to dodge not to apply big damage

[warm galleon]

Give her 2 slab

[lilac bloom]

thats

[honest hill]

da pan better than endmin?

[drifting quest]

for speedrunning yes

[honest hill]

I see

but what about multiple rot

I'm guessing endmin?

[drifting quest]

normal clears endmin has a higher ceiling

but dapan isnt hugely behind

[honest hill]

do u think when endmin gets more pots the gap will be way bigger?

everyone will eventually have P5 endmin

[drifting quest]

i mean both could be replaced as soon as 2 weeks from now

impossible to tell

[honest hill]

true

[lilac bloom]

soupsoup

[daring dove]

Who's currently the best character in PHY teams in peoples opinions Lifeng or Pog?

[pure spoke]

Tang Tang when

[pure spoke]

Chen

[daring dove]

An would Pog be the best mostly of the strength of Thermite Cutter.

[drifting quest]

depends on investment level

but probably pog when you average the entire thing

there's an argument they're just equal though

[gritty briar]

which one would you guess gets replaced first?

i'm not confident either way

slightly leaning towards pog having more staying power

[drifting quest]

whichever one they release a replacement for first

if they give a new vanguard pog gets replaced

[gritty briar]

just cause i don't think physical support vanguard is an archtype they'll plan on copying as soon

[drifting quest]

if they give a new buffer that buffs more without trading off some of the other benefits lifeng has too much (personal damage, minor grouping, etc) then lifeng gets replaced

[daring dove]

Yeah I can imagine at hyper whale invest Lifeng with his sig P5 would be a bit of a monster. Considering how much it buffs all his stats. An that then in turn buffs his damage. Pog as I understand it doesn't really have good potentials & his sig is pretty bad at P5 compared to Thermite.

[drifting quest]

its easier to imagine a chen and pog/dapan replacement far before a pog or lifeng replacement

[twilit quail]

it's just that if they released a better chen that unit would actually be doing more damage than units that spend stacks on crush while being an applier

and that doesnt seem quite right

[daring dove]

Either way I think it's safely Pog or Lifeng that will be the last characters standing from the original PHY team. But who knows sometimes games like these throw you a curve ball.

[drifting quest]

the last one standing is the one hypergryph decides is the last one standing

its as simple as that

[twilit quail]

electric is also in the same situation

early in the season of a shitty battle royale anime

who knows if the most promising one in the group is just going to suddenly die

[drifting quest]

electric probably just has sidegrades based on content

id expect

[daring dove]

Does electric even really have a core character right now, they're all pretty replaceable? Perlica seems like the best one of the top of my head.

[drifting quest]

gilberta

[daring dove]

Or Gilberta, but that's kinda cheating.

[twilit quail]

all of them other than gil are in danger

[drifting quest]

oh right

speaking of electric

do you have uh

arclight vs akekuri timelines on hand

i didnt want to go make them

it was a discussion here earlier about someone saying arclight > akekuri

and i had irl stuff to do before i could get back on it

[twilit quail]

theyre very different cause in a sense, right

playing with arclight means youre missing a character

[drifting quest]

it was a

[twilit quail]

the whole thing perlica is being used for is just entirely cannibalised by arclight

[drifting quest]

weird discussion for sure

they had a point of uh

dps perlica stuff

and chasing uptime on arclight talent too

it was a point of

frontiers vs seals build

on arclight too

that was the other thing

[twilit quail]

losing intensity boosted corrosion is like

idk

[drifting quest]

they said seals arclight was dogshit

that was the other thing i wanted to grab

[twilit quail]

uh

[drifting quest]

seals vs frontiers arclight timelines

[twilit quail]

this is true to an extent

intensity arclight

is better sometimes

but it's also really bad

[drifting quest]

its different timelines

[twilit quail]

and frontier is also really bad

[drifting quest]

was my understanding

[twilit quail]

and it's like

it's so shit

the only usecase of the unit is basically

weirdo umbral stuff where the enemy has so little hp

[drifting quest]

the dps arclight stuff seemed cool

[twilit quail]

adjusting the damage curve even if you lose out on a shitton of total damage

[drifting quest]

for umbral

[twilit quail]

is worth it

[drifting quest]

but its umbral

[twilit quail]

and then umbral is benching fucking avy so like

it's not relevant really

[drifting quest]

xaihi making it into umbral monument electric was peak too

[daring dove]

Xaihi seems like one of the better characters in the game rn to be honest. She's not that far behind the likes of Gilberta or Ardelia in her niche.

[twilit quail]

nerfed btw

[drifting quest]

moreso that there's nothing better to do than she's broken insane

but she is good

[twilit quail]

this is how we often put it in chinese

she is the only normal person in a team of cripples

[drifting quest]

if her skill didnt brick if you took damage she'd be really good

[gritty briar]

speaking of xaihi skill

is it a mistranslation?

[drifting quest]

yes

wait

maybe not

talent ult are

whats the issue on skill

[gritty briar]

game says you have to already be at max hp when triggering heal but it still buffs you even if you only heal to full afterwards

like you get the buff if you're missing a tiny bit and then overheal

you don't have to already be full before the trigger

[drifting quest]

yeah i guess

minor one but yeah

[gritty briar]

i mean that's a pretty big difference

i can be missing like 600 hp before the trigger and still get the buff

when the description implies i have to literally be full already

[daring dove]

I hope we get more characters like Gilberta but for other elements soon. I can only imagine how broken Laevatain's team would of been if Gilberta had stayed a heat character.

[gritty briar]

like did you also think that you needed to be full before the trigger?

cause usually it's a non-issue in reality

[drifting quest]

no

[gritty briar]

amp lasts like 25 seconds anyways so i don't know how you'd lose hp often enough to not heal to full at some point before then to refresh it

[warped sinew]

bruh, and i was wondering earlier why i cant find fifth fluffed jincao for daily quest

i cant gather that

[gritty briar]

is it actually unreachable?

lmao

[proud vector]

really? not even if you scoot over to the right?

[gritty briar]

it doesn't look that far up

[warped sinew]

cant reach that

[midnight stirrup]

Was she heat in beta?

[daring dove]

Early on yeah.

[midnight stirrup]

You can, but its awkward positioning

I ran into the same issue

[midnight stirrup]

Oh

[warped sinew]

no matter what position i try i cant reach that

[midnight stirrup]

Weird, its def possible

Try relogging

[warped sinew]

still cant

[steady gate]

Lower the exploration level to 1 so the mound is smaller.

[warped sinew]

Woah, i ain't doing that, exploration lvl 7 is already too easy, it ain't worth it for just that one gatherable

Also it would take too much time due to cooldown on lowering exploration

[steady gate]

You can lower 7 to 3 or whatever the limit is in one go. Then reset back to 7 immediately. You just can't lower it again until tomorrow.

[lilac bloom]

i think my phys damage might be super gimped by the fact that i dont have a good weapon for lifeng

im like, down a damage dealer

[vestal sinew]

what should be priority when maxing a physical team? i just finished da pans weapon essence,should i go for his gear artificing or whats the next step?

[potent hornet]

i think for phys you kinda gear up and level everyone

they all do some good dmg

kinda what makes the team work, a bunch of sources of good dmg instead of a really big nuke

[vestal sinew]

isnt there any order tho? like do i go for da pans gear artificing or the other characters stuff?

im not sure how reliable fully artificing gear is when a build might change in the future or a new setup might show up being better than the one i run

[lilac bloom]

100% getting pog his arts intensity gear, artificing the intensity stat if you can

[rare zodiac]

1.1 new in less than a day, probably just wait and see

[potent hornet]

any new tiers of gear are going to be using other types of materials for artificingt

so everyone will be starting off at the same point if we get those

if they just unlock more lvl 70 stuff

then yea you will probably be boned

[rare zodiac]

Assuming there is new tier and not just new 70 gear

[vestal sinew]

what do you mean new tier or lv70 stuff like higher stronger gear

[potent hornet]

but i'm assuming a majority of the people that have a completed team and are working on their 2nd/3rd are also in that boat except the whale shop

yea like red gear

instead of yellow

since red is their "6*" level for color

[rare zodiac]

I doubt that new tier will be released but you should always be vigilant

[potent hornet]

i'm assuming we might get some more level 70 gear

[vestal sinew]

i see,ill probably focus on essence stuff first then and other stuff and leave gear artificing for last

[potent hornet]

or new pieces to existing sets

[lilac bloom]

i dont think we'll get red gear but i guess it isnt outside of the realm of possibility

[rare zodiac]

Hope more gears set, the current ones is so limited

[potent hornet]

for gear artificing its completely ok to artifice up you 3rd stat and main stat

at least 1 or 2 times each piece

shouldn't be that bad

i wouldn't mind new pieces for some of the more limited sets

like tidal and pulser

[rare zodiac]

Would be nice if there are more “fun” gear set

[potent hornet]

like give me an int main stat chest for tidal with cry dmg

or a str chest with crit

[rare zodiac]

Swordmancer is kinda good, extra effects with cd is welcomed, more gear set with effects pls

[vestal sinew]

beetween lifeng and chen who do i wanna focus first?

[potent hornet]

yea i wouldn't mind some more variety. by story level standards at exploration 7 the level cap is 60 so like we are kind of ahead as far as gear goes

[lilac bloom]

swordmancer is pretty fun yeah

[rare zodiac]

Imagine gear set that reduces FS dmg and increases sp regen or vice versa

Can cook up some cool shit with it

[lilac bloom]

sp regen set might be insane

[stiff eagle]

gear that increases basic attack damage would be neat

[peak void]

game edging me from 1.4k% 🥀

[odd wren]

[bronze plume]

W

[warm galleon]

The way it shrunk, I would say it's AI

Design issue

[drifting berry]

100% ai

to small

[peak void]

yk what else is too small

[bronze plume]

the new pringles cans

[drifting berry]

haven't had one since like 10 years

[bronze plume]

what does that even mean

[peak void]

toaster pov

[drifting berry]

8 more hours aprox

[potent hornet]

anyone know off the top of their head the quantity you get from the re-crisis drills for each of their prospective guaranteed drops

[full crown]

What are the current thoughts on Twelve Questions on Arclight, is there any use case unless you're somehow trying to main dps her or something?

[wind nebula]

It's like giving a coughing baby a weapon called "coughing baby's Bib". it's the best thing to use for personal damage, but it's still a coughing baby

[full crown]

Kinda what I was thinking, what about Navigator, anyone actually want to use that these days? Even Yvonne prefers Wedge if not on sig no? What about Flo?

[neon cave]

I only have 2 records so far

1st run
Fixed - 9
Random A - 2
Random B - 2

2nd run
Fixed - 9
Random A - 2
Random B - 0

[potent hornet]

gotcha

for 120 sanity that seems pretty steep

[full crown]

(Trying to decide on which location to farm essenses for Ardelia's sig)

[wind nebula]

all I know about this is from a distance. Navigator's value is that you can guarantee p5 in short order if you are a spender and Yvonne lover. Wedge costs luck and arsenal tickets, or your selector if you still have it. and on the selector I believe it has steep competition

[full crown]

Yeah, don;t have Yvonne, but I thought at one point I heard Flo could use it.

[potent hornet]

the regular crisis ones give what 6?

[edgy crater]

wedge on same crate as thermite iirc so yeah

[wind nebula]

looks cope. middle stat is dead, crit can't be properly invested in yet

[full crown]

Yeah, I don;t see how it competes with OBJ Velo

[neon cave]

i only havve 2 runs for this too lol

1st run
Fixed - 6
Random A - 0
Random B - 0

2nd run
Fixed - 6
Random A - 1
Random B - 0

[wind nebula]

DPS flourite would use Wedge, or Opus as a backup

[full crown]

Huh? You can't farm the essense for Ard's sig there though. I have a whole ass spreadsheet of all the weapons and their abilities/locations so Its easy for me to know where to farm most efficiently, but my knowledge of what weapons are worth using on which operators is slightly out of date, so I'm trying to eliminate ones that aren't really worth farming for like Navigator, Twelve Questions, etc. and just decide based on what weapons actually I will be leveling.

[edgy crater]

already crosscheck it?

[bronze plume]

science park doesnt have ards weapon

[full crown]

Like, it would be cool to get excess essences for all weapons, and I'll hold onto at least one for each if I get it, but as for where to actually farm, it's mostly going to be where I actually can get ones for weapons I will actively use

[potent hornet]

have you considered endfieldtools?

[bronze plume]

just do power plateau

[wind nebula]

Twelve questions shares essence with Grand Vision

[potent hornet]

lodespring if youneed a navigator essence, power platue if you need grand vision

other than that depending on what you pick they have mostly the same options

(they share the spots with dreams

[full crown]

Yeah, thats why I'm looking specifically at which ones lodespring and power have different, I already have Grand's, but not an extra for Twelve, since I prefer not to share in case we get mult-team content at some point

[neon cave]

oh sht i just double checked my sheet

i see the input error i have now, my bad

time to delete misinformation

[potent hornet]

power seems the option then

[full crown]

And yeah, it's basically a choice between Navigator or Twelve and Grand, and I don't really see myself using either twelve or navigator on anyone atm after our discussion

so it's basically either one is about the same

[bronze plume]

the only one there that is actually useful is grand and even then its

[full crown]

yeah, and I have it already, so that's moot

anyone know which is easier to farm then? LOL

I can;t remember

[wind nebula]

meanwhile my strat is to hoard tickets and stamina so that when I need to build something I can just go farm it. leave everything alone in the meantime

[potent hornet]

getting wedge essence wouldn't be horrible

if you have the weapon anyway

[bronze plume]

my strat is

[full crown]

Everyone else but Navigator and Twelve/Grand is at both Lode and power

[bronze plume]

idc im just going to go to the first one i see with what i need do it till i get what i want then go to the next

dont care bout no best option imma get them all anyway

[full crown]

I try to get multiple at the same location, and save any that I might use later, to save sanity.

[bronze plume]

yeah see my thing is

youre going to need way mroe to max out essence anyway

so why care

[full crown]

You do you I guess, seems like really wasteful to me tho

[bronze plume]

you cant waste a infinite resource

[full crown]

Okay that doesn't even make sense, Endfield has some of the slowest and least efficient "stamina" gain of any gatcha out there.

[bronze plume]

sanity is infinite

you will always get it back

the stages as to which you need to farm

are not going to leave

[drifting berry]

I was farming essences for Gilberta for 2 weeks and it didn't matter because Yvonne ate it all anyways

[bronze plume]

it hasnt taken me more then 3 days for any 1 essence anyway

[wind nebula]

I've trimmed and cleared all the things so I just stopped farming essences before I even got far into doing it

[bronze plume]

granted ive only gone for like 7 weapons 3/3 essence now since most dont even matter

[drifting berry]

Waiting for livestream to see what weapons are we getting on next patch

[full crown]

Yeah, essense is like the last thing on my list, I'm building teams first, but I mostly just want a change of pace from farming Protohedrons

[bronze plume]

Jet, thermite x2, stanza, delivery, dreams, clannibal, and forgeborn

[full crown]

building teams drains you so much, so I want to be as non-wasteful as possible when farming essense, as opposed to just randomly farming whatever.

[bronze plume]

me when

[full crown]

I'm building my 3rd team atm.

[bronze plume]

i would do that

if any other team besides electric and laev actually interested me

[full crown]

I have Phy, Last Rite, and building Electric now.

[drifting berry]

I'm probably just building a team around any of the character we are getting on 1.1, unless both are skip.

[wind nebula]

technically, I think I haven't even finished building my 1st team

[bronze plume]

depends what you define as a built team tbf

[wind nebula]

normally your damage dealers have maxed weapons and maxed level at least

[drifting berry]

Better stopping at 80% instead of maxing everything

[full crown]

Yeah, I've skipped all the limited chars so far, hoping that Mi Fu and Tang Tang are good, like both their chars way more than the current limiteds, and don't care much for the playstyle of any of the currents.

[drifting berry]

Akekuri ain't doing anything at lvl 90

[bronze plume]

W built team then ong

[neon cave]

reception room worker-

[bronze plume]

tbf she only needs elite 4 for that

[drifting berry]

I need to pull atleast 1 banner per patch because I need to settle my gacha addiction somehow, also I like every single character we got this patch.

for 1.1 I will need to settle with 1 of them

Hopefully we get a male banner so I can skip

[full crown]

I don't mind Laev, but not a fan of the EN VA for Yvonne and I despise the way they introduced Gilberta and her whole story quest so much I skipped her out of spite even though I had considered getting her.

[bronze plume]

you dont like being a ups driver?

[drifting berry]

Yeah, Yvonne En VA is really bad, I always play on jp but when I saw the Yvonne trailer I realize how horrible it was.

And I like Gilberta/Angelina since OG arknights so it was a no brainer

[full crown]

It's more that they offscreened our entire first interaction with her, and introduced Gilberta as someone we already know to our amnesiac MC who we've been with every moment since they woke up. Just super confusing and terrible writing just to make her more instantly parasocial or something, so weird

[bronze plume]

yeah it is goofy af

i was trying to be funny 🥀

[wind nebula]

piecing together what happened, it seems like they cut/replaced the Quarry story and made it forgetable side content for pacing reasons or something.

[bronze plume]

the quarry was always just weird af

[proud vector]

somewhat valud i guess

[bronze plume]

they could literally remove it as a area and nothing would change

[proud vector]

quarry was off on a very side road yeah

[full crown]

I legit thought it might be something like that, or that there was somehow some side quest with her that I somehow skipped, I was so confused why she was acting like we knew wtf she was

[proud vector]

it gives us some nice lore but

other than that...

[drifting berry]

I just don't like the happy vibes we are getting so far.

Like that photo mini event

[bronze plume]

its the usual calm before the storm bs

[drifting berry]

Why tf is endmin taking request from children to take photos, aren't you busy?

[full crown]

I actually went onto discord and asked around to see if someone knew if I actually somehow missed a side quest that introduced us to her.

[bronze plume]

nah it was the same as cbt2

[wind nebula]

my other conspiracy theory is that Waifu-pilled execs got their hands on the story and said "kill the story, time for waifumaxxing. dates only, no character depth"

[bronze plume]

we said it was weird and bad in cbt2 alas nothing changed wit it

they just slapped her in as like a look og ak character in ef

at least ardelia was like doing something

[full crown]

It's been the thing that I've highlighted in every survey since I came across it, how bad that intro was, and her way too parasocial waifu-coded story quest in general. Laev's was way better.

[drifting berry]

They need to introduce Mandragora reconvener just to kill her again lmao

[wind nebula]

if you read between the lines of the surveys, it sounds like there's a ton of internal conflict on what direction to take with a lot of aspects of the game

[bronze plume]

"yo is that frostnova"
"yes it is"
"same patch she is introduce she dies"

W story development

they should hire me

[full crown]

I really hope they dial back the waifu bait a bit, I don;t mind some, but at least do it WELL. If you can't just don't do it. And yeah, I want a more mature story, and more factory stuff, the factory tbh is the only reason I'm probably still playing this game.

[drifting berry]

The problem is that they remove the whole racism against originium infected people and without it you don't have reunion and everyone seems to be very chill about everything.

[full crown]

I mean, there is obviously some class war stuff with the Landbreakers and all those people, and some story there we can delve into

[drifting berry]

Problem is that landbreakers a bunch of npcs with 1 person in charge, also the person in charged kinda a fraud because of that guy that showed up in wulling.

[full crown]

Them completely undercutting her as a villain was SO weird. Like, we didn't even get a real actual fight with her and she's already demoted to an underling??

[drifting berry]

What we need is a really competent antagonist, waiting for Talulah to show up

[proud vector]

I'm honestly getting a Zuko feel from her, but like first season Zuko

[full crown]

Honestly, she seemed really pretty competent in many ways, she seemed to be leading us around by the nose the whole time, and we only really won cus of Ta Ta dues ex machina'ing us to victory.

[proud vector]

there is potential.... but we don't know nearly enough

[proud vector]

The real problem is that we know fck all about her actual goals beyond "die humanity die" so its really hard to see if she is competent or not

[full crown]

Eh, she has some pretty pointed things to say about our character, so there is obviously some real personal history and animosity there.

[shut cobalt]

honestly, story will get better later on probably
cuz theres always the early gacha story syndrome in every new gacha
starts bad picks up later

[potent hornet]

shes one of the 40

has to be

[proud vector]

likely yeah

the 40 being sidelined into lore notes instead of being mentioned in main story kneecaps it a little imo

[drifting berry]

Yeah, tho it might be unfair to compare her with Talulah being this version 1.0. Maybe there another person in charge and she's more like a some sorts of Crownslayer or Mephisto

[proud vector]

there should be 40 glazing

[shut cobalt]

honestly tho, why is this a thing in almost every new gacha lmao

[proud vector]

seriously if half the endmin glaze was 40 glaze it would be kinda much more balanced hahahaha

[full crown]

Yeah, that's my point though, she got set up as this mastermind, all these speeches to us, having obviously some issues with the system we're pushing, and leading us around and doing very well except when we won cus of TaTa. Then before we really find out anything about her or have an actual fight, suddenly now she's just some underling.

[proud vector]

zuko'd

but no uncle iroh character to humanise her >.>

[drifting berry]

I understand the Endmin glaze at least, like she has being alive for probably 100+ yrs and every time she wakes up everything gets resolved, it would be really nice if we see Endmin actually failing because of her memory lost, maybe changing the perception people have in her.

But that will not happen

[full crown]

I more want to find out that we actually did some pretty bad shit "for the greater good" or that we did stuff that seemed good, but had really bad unintended consequences because we failed to see the bigger picture or ignored some people's plight.

Based on stuff she said, that seemed more like where things are going

[odd wren]

Well she might fail then she gets her alter

[drifting berry]

Is most likely "for the greater good" situation. I would like to make a example with Dokta but I haven't read past chapter 12

[dry kindle]

Oh survey already ended

[full crown]

Either way, as someone that never played too far into AK, the way people glazed HG's story there, I was expecting way more outta this. Feels like that since it's a more expensive to develop game, shooting for a wider audience, they are playing a lot safer in terms of story tone as well as character designs, which looked a lot more interesting and diverse in OG AK. Like, I get it, and I hope it's just first year trying to build a base, but I hope they get more willing to experiment soon. Or at least build more factory gameplay stuff, cus that'll keep me around even if the story keeps being mediocre.

[dry kindle]

Muh 300 oroberyl

[full crown]

I almost put it off too long as well, had to wait until I had a 2 hour window to do it just in case cus of the last one, lol

[dry kindle]

Also think I forgor to claim a third mail

Welp

[shut cobalt]

honestly, u do the survey more for trying to help the game in a direction than for the 300 oroberyls
whats 50 more than half a pull gonna do 😭

[dry kindle]

CC when

[peak void]

yea they got some good questions imo

and 10k words optional essay

[dry kindle]

A lot with current income

🗿

[peak void]

i just have a 2k essay ready for copy paste every time theres a survey

[full crown]

Yeah, for sure, I've actually got notes that I take, and try to make sure to bring up every survey in hopes they do something about them eventually. Wish we as a community would have like a "Survey suggestion topics" that everyone can kinda coordinate on to get out a strong message about a specific thing that we'd like to collectively see done.

[shut cobalt]

how do we even know the income per patch
were in the first one
and it started with 240 pulls so it should be good? not as much in the later ones ofc but still

[gritty olive]

me when endfield CC is more like stygian onslaught than CC

monkeys paw

[full crown]

Oof, man, locked equipment and everything too.

[gritty olive]

hard content is good when you have ways to customize it

is6 d18 ed 235 with ed4 collectible

[full crown]

It's also good when it's not all exclusively timered DPS races, that require a specific unit to counter a boss mechanic.

[shut cobalt]

could just do the one bot feature that features a message on a channel with enough of x reaction
said channel being a suggestion channel
but then again that'd depend on whether it actually gets to devs

[gritty olive]

+20 aspd enemies
-50% sp on deploy
-2% hp for 60 seconds

[dry kindle]

3 discount runs a day

[peak void]

did they announce alrdy

[dry kindle]

Yeah

[peak void]

where

[dry kindle]

-40 sanity

[peak void]

in game news not workin for me

[gritty olive]

for highend its inevitable since youd probably pick all debuffs with limited customization

but thats whale territory
also interested in seeing the defacto hardest possible risks considering p6 vs p1 ops in arknights and p5 vs p0 ops in endfield are very drastic in difference

[gritty olive]

surtr gets a talent increase of 3 res penetration on p3/p5 idr but laev gets 1.2x basic attack damage while ult at p5

[wind nebula]

all the stamina hoarder tears are coming soon...

[gritty olive]

and four of the pots in arknights are mostly two dp reductions, one flat stat increase, and a 4s redeploy reduction

[bronze plume]

i saw "AR60F2PTigerNinja is typing" and was like "oh shit here we go again"

[peak void]

yup that doesnt work for me

[wispy whale]

so basically its just an event to give you an extra 120 sanity a day while designing it so that you cant save the sanity for later

[bronze plume]

only for it to be monika

[peak void]

this game sucks

[full crown]

Man, I miss early Gatcha days when discounted stamina events were unlimited and you saved batteries for them, now they all have a set limit that makes them kinda lame =\

[bronze plume]

its the same as 99% of gacha sanity events yes

[gritty olive]

who

[gritty olive]

blue archive has 2x/3x

[full crown]

Over the last few years yeah, used to be most were unlimited, but then, greed always wins, number must go up

[bronze plume]

yeah but its blue archive

[bronze plume]

unlimited is kinda just stupid anyway

[shut cobalt]

and said gachas were harder to get gear anyways so it evens out in the end, no?

[wind nebula]

yeah it's pretty bad design for them to do it. FOMO principles work against them in this scenario, so people can start feeling like using stamina outside the discount is a waste

[eager cape]

[full crown]

Not always, some actually started off unlimited like HSR, then later limited them.

[shut cobalt]

i c i c

[bronze plume]

that is indeed the reason

[wind nebula]

and when they stop spending stamina, they stop getting that little trickle tease of gameplay that isn't quite satisfying that keeps you addicted as you wait for the next patch

[bronze plume]

lets be honest unless you have literally nothing to do in life

gachas wont keep you addicted until the next patch

just play 4 different gachas at once

with 4 different patch update dates

ez

[full crown]

I only play 3 atm, had to step away from WWM, might go back to it though, really like the end game boss combat that doesn't have to shill specific characters because they don't sell chars.

[bronze plume]

wwm is a gacha?

[full crown]

Yeah, they sell cosmetics for crazy prices.

[unreal light]

Ever heard of fomo?

[bronze plume]

yuh

a thing that doesnt exist to me i have heard of it

[unreal light]

The more time you spend in one gacha, the harder it is to throw away the materials you’ve generated and hours you’ve spent

[bronze plume]

fomo does work

not for everyone

'cuz there are some who dont care

[unreal light]

It’s not about whether there is new patch or not

You’ll be sucked into playing by the sheer fomo

[wispy whale]

the problem is if you come back to do old events most gacha remove all the rewards as they are locked behind "time limited", so you cant save a bunch of gacha content to do it all at once later

so now you just waste your time doing content and get less reward

[full crown]

Yeah, really like that ZZZ keeps the old events around to at least do, even if you don;t get the initial time-limited rewards, Genshin is starting to as well now.

[gritty olive]

[unreal light]

Skport what a fine gacha

[wind nebula]

blud thinks he's on the team

[bronze plume]

W, police, seek help, seek even more help, W, L, thats not a gacha, big W

[full crown]

You play SKPort but not HoyoLAB? noob

[unreal light]

Skport shows porn arts, hoyolab does not

Consider it into the equation

[full crown]

I only ever log into the web version for the daily, I never used it outside that

[full crown]

No Line?

[gritty olive]

im not japanese

[unreal light]

Damn I thought your pfp is a peashooter

[full crown]

Hah! Do you recognize it now that you looked closer?

[unreal light]

No

With all the arrows I suppose it’s somewhat warhammer related to chaos gods

[full crown]

Papa Nurgle, yup

[river scroll]

[gritty olive]

smear campaign against john nexon and hyv 🥀

[edgy crater]

nurgling insight

go shower

[full crown]

Shower in what tho?

[unreal light]

In aeldari blood

[main nova]

i hate this things why the game just cant make a log in game

[edgy crater]

everqueen palace

[full crown]

Because then they can't sell your data to Palintir?

[main nova]

more installed spyware in my phone

[gritty olive]

idk if this is ai or not

im not liking it

[full crown]

It's still weird to me that Lifeng and Fangyi are like the only ones in Wuling without accents. Like, I can see Lifeng, maybe he grew up somewhere else, but the faction leader not having one is weird imo.

[gritty olive]

iirc its molly zhang for en va

so yeah popular indemand vas for the key people for recognizability for the EN part

[tough roost]

AI btw

[full crown]

I know, and I get giving the Faction leader to a big name, and probably Molly cast herself cus she's a boss at the company, but it's still weird to have everyone else have an accent but the faction leader.

[gritty olive]

not accuracy

[unreal light]

Wait what

I believed some masterful Chinese guy created this in blender

[tough roost]

Check the bed at the end

[main nova]

i cant send why are you gae dang it

[tough roost]

And look at gugugaga endmin shorts

[gritty olive]

china ai is sophisticated enoigh

[tough roost]

Its really good yeah

[full crown]

Hard to tell, because historically CN gatcha fans go really hard on fanworks too

[unreal light]

I’ve never seen any

[tough roost]

Wow blessed by algorithm

[unreal light]

And because there are 1.5billion Chinese

So it is not that Impossible to have many talented people in different industries

[gritty olive]

anyways kohuki pajama

[full crown]

Right, but I'm just saying that a lot of global gatcha fans kinda have lower standards for gatcha fanworks, because a lot don't go over to the bilibili etc. side of things and see how hard CN fans go on stuff sometimes.

[gritty olive]

[unreal light]

Bros getting jailed nyahaha

[tough roost]

Is there a minimum req for wulf ult charge?

Obviously in lae team

Assume p5 wulf

[gritty olive]

iirc its like 234

[tough roost]

77.22 of 75

Hmm

Ill prob try 228 and see if it still works

Maybe 234 is for lae p1?

[full crown]

What is considered one of the best wave-clearing comps that doesn't have a limited char atm? In terms of not relying on max stacking vuln/arts or ults to clear lots of smaller waves?

[tough roost]

Probably avy team

[wind nebula]

there isn't any wave clearing content worthy of the name to really test them on.

[tough roost]

Perlica can cycle all by herself and avy nuke can kill the elites

[full crown]

Antal would probably not be great since his combo timer is like 10 years no?

[tough roost]

You dont use antal in electric team

Its avy perli ake gil

Gil is there to ult charge perli

[full crown]

No limited chars again

[tough roost]

Oh yeah, then ardelia

She is free

You can be a funny guy and do ake arclight

[full crown]

So is Antal only on heat teams now since his nerf?

[tough roost]

Its stupid but for general content it should work just fine

Not really. If you wanna do hypernuke, antal is still strong

[full crown]

I'm confused, you said you don't use him on electric earlier?

[tough roost]

On general team you dont

But ive seen antal used in there for dpscreenshot

Aa you said before, he is just too slow

Not great for general content

[full crown]

Yeah, they really did him dirty and overcorrected on him hard.

[tough roost]

If you want a general team, just go with ardelia. It will work just fine

Wave clear perlica

Nuke avy

To a certain degree, physical team will also work

Pog is selector, chen and endmin. Then last slot is flex

[full crown]

I use that + Li as my main team, but against real bosses the setup can take a long time if you want to breach then crush.

unless Li's ult is up

[potent hornet]

you talking about for trim>?

[tough roost]

Generic wave clearing content

Like essence farm i think

[full crown]

Yeah, stuff like that, or if we get more challenging wave based fights in agony.

[edgy crater]

annihilation

[full crown]

Bosses are easy, like I insta-gibbed the final boss in the most recent agony on the first stun w/ my phys team, and am almost done building Last right and partway through Avy, but all are pretty bursty, so I was trying to think of options for non-bursty more wave clearing teams I could try if we get that content.

[tough roost]

The only 2 characters that follow that way of operation are lae and perli afaik

Physical is weird

[potent hornet]

Pogs mini vacuum is nice for multiple targets

[full crown]

Honestly you'd probaby jsut remove Pog if you wanted a more wave based phys team

[tough roost]

Pog is the engine no? How will you feed the team

[full crown]

since if you skip his breach and can clear with crushes on most stuff, his value drops

Yeah, I wonder if we're going to get a Phys vanguard that doesn't fight with the main DPS for vuln stacks at some point

[twilit quail]

if enemy has no hp and dies instantly(umbral) he is useless yea

[full crown]

Imagine a vanguard that just builds and doesn't steal vuln stacks?

[tough roost]

Akekuri

[twilit quail]

breach is good

it would take a lot of changes

to make breach not worth it if the enemy has actual hp

[full crown]

for sure

[twilit quail]

the problem is not fighting for the stacks at all

that is a misconception

the problem is both stack spenders currently int he game

[tough roost]

Maybe alesh is better? For the offchance you can shatter

[twilit quail]

being coughing babies

almost being outdmged by their applier

[tough roost]

But then this comes into nuke territory instead of sustained dpa

[quick totem]

I cannot clear anything that is recommended for lvl90... and with this sanity gain it will take me 4 months to level up one or two OPs to lvl90....

[full crown]

Yeah, unless they are using a full vuln stack with a full breach on a target, their damage drops like a rock.

[twilit quail]

like if this team had an actual

6* output

it would be thanos

but no they are stuck with 2 stooges

[tough roost]

Tang tang. Trust

[twilit quail]

one who does nothing for the rotation and another who is sadly 5*

[full crown]

I mean, with a full breach + Li's sus etc. my Endmin can do pretty huge bursts, but outside of those two big hits his damage is really bad, hope dupes can fix that for em.

[gritty olive]

is yvonne stronfer than laev

[tough roost]

Does bs bonus from hot works affects ult bs?

[tough roost]

Depends

In nuking bosses yes kinda

In everything else, no

Technically lae beats yvonne in nuking competition, but the amount of sacrifice you need to do is unrealistic

[rare zodiac]

Lae excel in constant dmg pressure, Yvonne is burst dmg, so comparisons is not really valid because the two of them design for different purposes, when consistent dps is need, Lae win, when burst is need, Yvonne win

[proud vector]

uwaaaah

;=;

[tough roost]

What team?

[proud vector]

shatter phys xD

know how to improve further so i just need to throw more attempts at it

but damn so close!

[proud vector]

keel acquired

[rich linden]

And both of em are overkill for current endgame

[midnight stirrup]

Damn

I thought u already 3 trimmed

[astral basin]

I'm just barely maxing out my regular 4-squad. I'm so far away from any sort of challenge atm that requires more streamlined squad picks.

[proud vector]

I found Estella like a bit later than I should have

And it took a while for me to pivot into a team with her on it lmao

stol my heart she did

this shit would be easier if I artifice lmfao

[pulsar sail]

I think I discovered some interesting behavior about chickens, if you chase them away a distance, they'll walk slowly back to their original position. but they don't move from their location if your out of render range or something, so they only walk walk/move when the player is around, so you can essentially herd all the chickens an a area somewhere and when your a distance away, they can't go back to their location.

they tend to escape by clipping through terrain through, and stay at the height they did it, and they don't go come back too the ground until the reach their original starting position.

[outer ermine]

[edgy crater]

[outer ermine]

yvonne might have 6s rhod btw

just waiting for the vid

[drifting quest]

i assume its what

some sort of cheese to shorten anim time

on aggro time start stuff

[dry kindle]

lv40 rod

[drifting quest]

real

[dry kindle]

need 1.1 already so i can stop playing fuckin babel

[drifting quest]

90m till news

then a week and a half more

[plucky warren]

Any weapons that a team may want to use multiple of? Rather than just collapsing all dupes

[steel hedge]

for alesh without p4, do i need to go full reacharge? or i can still go for 3pc frontiers

[drifting quest]

on what team

[drifting quest]

keeping a second never hurts just in case we do get 2 team content (1.1 stream is literally 90m away just wait and see for the next 7 weeks at least)

none come to mind of 2 copies in the same single 4 unit team

[plucky warren]

Seems in line with my thoughts, alright

[steel hedge]

yvonne team

[drifting quest]

~84% ER% req then

way above the max you can do on frontiers

P4 drops it down to ~56% which is still above the max on thermite cutter and frontiers

this assumes the baseline gilberta team

fwiw

other teams have different requirements

[steel hedge]

i see, i wont go frontiers then tyty

i wa nt a more smooth rotation

[drifting quest]

there's a different rotation (same team) with a lower req included in Iana's doc that can facilitate frontiers

you can compare the two and see which you like more

[bronze plume]

how much do we think the livestream will fumble

[warm galleon]

It's not live

[drifting quest]

impossible to tell

it should be live

[bronze plume]

i just mean

[drifting quest]

its not literally a live broadcast no

[bronze plume]

how much sadness do we think itll have

[drifting quest]

but its still streaming live afaik

you wont be able to skip ahead

[plucky warren]

it's like a premiere rather than a livestream

[drifting quest]

ok so

english language sucks

[plucky warren]

where's a link to the rotation that needs higher ult cd?

[plucky warren]

It'll be like when vtubers release new song covers where the initial broadcast is "live"

[bronze plume]

bro i know how the livestream works

[drifting quest]

its still a live stream (of a prerecorded video, same as all mainstream gacha streams) its just not a livestream

[drifting quest]

guoba/lin's videos should have it, or it's on prydwen too iirc

[outer ermine]

she just needs to do less dmg in the beginning to throw fs b4 cutscene

[plucky warren]

ok ty I will look

[drifting quest]

huh

the slower clears never hit cutscene anyway

unless you mean they're bypassing the jump sequence entirely

which isnt a cutscene

[outer ermine]

since earlier bs keeps sending him to cutscene at ~5s, and its +2 to kill after that

jump is armored

you'll see later ill share when its up my heart was fucking raising when he got it like goddamn