theorycrafting

[rich widget]

they can

[gritty briar]

much easier to just not use them and pretend i did it to flex when i'm actually just too lazy

[rich widget]

as can the physical reactions

[chilly bolt]

Yes it's a 233% multiplier of the applier

[unreal light]

That’s not bonus damage, that’s atk

🤔

[unreal light]

Thank you

I wonder if any bonus damage (xiranite) affects arts bursts and bonus damage from a certain element in particular

[chilly bolt]

it should

[unreal light]

Okay ty

[rich widget]

man... whenever i eventually get 5 star ember, im immediately converting her into shield support

i love using her as a secondary operator but then she doesnt get full use of sundered prince

[rich linden]

any ideas on what to write here

are we missing something critical

[next helm]

Do not become zzz

[frigid vector]

ya, you'll want it artificed though as you need at least 56% ult energy

[valid zealot]

When skins.

[signal sundial]

I wrote that the cutoff for the story could be better placed

[woeful timber]

I wouldnt be surprised if we don't get the same level of skins in endfield as we do in OG arknights

[valid zealot]

3D model yada yada.

[woeful timber]

its the truth though, much easier to make skins for 2d models and sprites

[signal sundial]

I feel the art you get from buying an AK skin also adds to the appeal

[woeful timber]

I'm sure we'll get skins eventually, just not 10+ skins every update like in Ak

[signal sundial]

Not sure ehow they'll do it for ef

[woeful timber]

It does, the art is like half the reason i buy skins in AK, the changes in the sprites or skills are just a bonus

[signal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/specter-specter-the-unchained-specter-the-unchained-skin-specter-arknight-gif-2681279768553290472

[frigid vector]

as always appreciate the help, and as always, your own goals should be infinitely higher in priority than anything else, I don't want to feel guilty if you end up doing things you didn't mean to

[woeful timber]

Spalter is also my favourite skin

[signal sundial]

I think my current fave is guardmiya l2d

[frigid vector]

still testing and tcing multiple teams is always fun, got fuck all essences since I'm busy building every team I can

[drifting quest]

im not doing anything for units im not interested in anyway so its chill

[woeful timber]

I like Shu's new skin too but Spalter was my first limited unit so she holds a special place in my heart

[drifting quest]

although the snowshine yvonne optimization seemed

interesting

[signal sundial]

Rosmontis was also really nice

Too bad they undertuned her compared to waler 😔

[frigid vector]

tbh I'm a bit confused cause like

[woeful timber]

Wis'adels skin is the coolest though. It gives you a video every time you enter the game

[frigid vector]

wouldn't alesh just outright be better there, he provides more dmg and would achieve the same with the ult

the only difference I guess is the ult cutscene speed

and the dodge

since you don't have to deal with perfect dodge slowdown

[drifting quest]

i think its literally

[signal sundial]

Yea I have a few that do this now

It's neat

[drifting quest]

superarmour the hit

[frigid vector]

estella could build the stack just as fast

[drifting quest]

to kill faster

[frigid vector]

so ye it must be legit just the

[drifting quest]

since you're p5p5

[frigid vector]

perfect dodge ignore

[drifting quest]

you kill without alesh

[woeful timber]

Who else does this? Wis'adels is the only skin i have that does this

[drifting quest]

so you have the time from dodging

[woeful timber]

but i have LOTS of skins so..

[signal sundial]

Kalstit, amiya, that violin lady

[frigid vector]

can't do the swap tech with yvonne since she's forced to be controlled operator

[drifting quest]

yeah

[frigid vector]

so legit the only way to bypass it is with armor lol

[drifting quest]

i wanted to see if

khrav was mattering

like surely not

[frigid vector]

probably just filler

looking at the vid

snowshine did 9k

yeah I don't think it's that big a deal

from the buffs

I don't even see xiranite being applied on protection

so god knows what she's even using

[drifting quest]

yeah

shes on

purple set

[buoyant yoke]

swap tech?

[drifting quest]

same as ard

for more sp

[frigid vector]

you can cancel out of the timestop/recovery frames of a perfect dodge by swapping to a different character when it happens

when you're pushing for a speedrun where miliseconds matter, it's a big deal

[outer ermine]

its even funnier cuz they bench xai just to remove ults

[buoyant yoke]

ah that one i see

[frigid vector]

the facts ults don't pause timers is actually kinda nuts ngl

[drifting quest]

rhodagn such a bum we stopped needing buffers

[rare zodiac]

well at least it stop buff/debuff, imagine it's like genshin, cool ass animation = dps loss

when my team ult eat a whole 6s into my Xingqiu swordrain buff, i just die inside a bit

[outer ermine]

atleast it didnt crit

[rare zodiac]

@frigid vector question, how tight is the timing for Lae cancel hit 2 and FS to get 5 BA in ult?

[frigid vector]

it's not that tight tbh

if you just react to the b2 it's pretty comfortable

final strike is a bit weird since if you cancel too fast you end up losing out on the actual hit that deals stagger/absorbs inflictions

so there's a bit of a rhythm to it that you need to get used to

but it's actually no big deal

it's possible to do it with only dodge cancels, which themselves take time

if you're weaving in combos and battle skills then you have a fair bit of leniency

the difficulty comes if you're doing that when swapping out of lae, since now it's a lot to juggle

you effectively need to swap then ebs after the final strike and do so quickly

before it wasn't even doable because of the bug

but that should be fixed so I think it should all fit, although I haven't labbed a full rotation with swaps yet

you can actually play around with the timings (without swaps) pretty easily on lae's character tutorial

since the last stage gives you an ult pretty much for free, so you can loop that on mobs and get used to the inputs

[rare zodiac]

if i am being a petty ass and save my CS and BS? can i still do 5 BA chain? how much sta will it bring me down as Sta don't regen for a moment after dodge?

[frigid vector]

then it's just getting on good old uncle rho and practiciing swaps

you can still do 5 BA without even a single combo or battle

but you do need at least 1 stamina node

[valid zealot]

Text wall jumpscare.

[frigid vector]

it runs out precisely at the final BA

I had that issue because on creator server they gave me no aurelynes

so I had to go and farm at least 1 stamina bar

if you have 1-2+ it should be fine

[outer ermine]

finally moving to tech tc is a blessing ive been waiting lol

[frigid vector]

tech should always have been in tc 😭

[outer ermine]

everyone was too busy w gears lmao

[frigid vector]

then I proceed to look to the side and see #tech-support

so tech but not that kinda tech

[outer ermine]

i blame phy

[frigid vector]

phys gearing god

hats off to everyone labbing that I'll just reap the results of the TC

[valid zealot]

Tfw they do frame skip and FSmaxxing.

[drifting quest]

physical on its way to change the entire gear lineup in 1.1

[brave scaffold]

Physical prem ( Pog Lifeng Endmin Chen ) has the higher dps output vs premium electric right? which is Avy ,Gilberta comp
Since she is just a 5 star

[drifting quest]

over time yes

at bursting no

[brave scaffold]

I see, thankyou. Big yellow number goes boom

[frigid vector]

it's actually kinda nuts how

even with 20% elec res

I've seen elec have some of the best times for umbral 2

if it wasn't for stage 1 I think it'd have yvonne beat

what are the best times we have for non p5 phys teams on umbral currently

[shut cobalt]

we got info on 1.1 stuff already?

[drifting quest]

we have only as much as we can glean from 1.0 files

[shut cobalt]

oh

[rare zodiac]

i think it 18 41 41? not sure

i remember someone does it

[frigid vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2jhcNAlrtQ

if that's the case then

it really is just stage 1 that's holding back elec 😭

although I think there's

a 36s stage 3 yvonne clear

[drifting quest]

41 seems long

i feel like i remember clears at about 30

might not have been p0/p0

[brave scaffold]

whats the best teamate for Pog Endmin, Chen if I don't have Lifeng. Ardellia right?

[summer flower]

Ember is source of vulnerability

Isn't Gilb also?

[drifting quest]

gilb cannot proc her combo to apply lift in physical teams

ember is problematic

[wind nebula]

Sheets always say Ardelia can make bigger number at the end of the rotation, but it doesn't account for:

Delays your opener until you've done a final strike because you need to hit without stacks (or forces 2 stack crush at the beginning)

Consumes extra SP per rotation for Ardelia Susc.

Susc is overkill for mobbing and also costly to try to maintain during fighting groups.

She offers no real DPS if her Susc isnt on something

Chasing sheeps is annoying.

The above is part of the real reason physical without Lifeng has a tendency to do Ember if they want a defensive option. Simple, has bonus stagger, feeds off of existing buff/debuffs, keeps your other character off field so you basics are less interrupted, no need to use extra SP, comfy in groups

[rare zodiac]

i will crash out if i see gilb in phys 1 more time

[summer flower]

Problematic as in what?

[brave scaffold]

thanks alot. I will note this down

[drifting quest]

no buffs till p5, sp expensive, yad ayada

[summer flower]

Sp expensive?

0 sp cost vunl got expensive

Same reason I wouldn't suggest ember for da pan team I'm suggesting for endmin team

Endmin crush is based on SP cost in rotation

[drifting quest]

her combo cs is like

20s

19/18

that is not a positive trait

you get more out of alternative slot choices

[summer flower]

Wait a sec

We talking ember right?

[wind nebula]

In what way? A few seconds of clear time against a single target HP sponge?

[summer flower]

Or did just just rant based on confusion?

[drifting quest]

4th slot with no lifeng

[wind nebula]

Endmin, Chen, Pog is a complete team already. You can run whatever you want. Just depends on what your priorities are as a player

[drifting quest]

which is fine if they werent asking for the best

and assumedly minmaxxing

[brave scaffold]

thankyou all, appriciate all the insights. I will might just test out Ember and Ardelia. No worries.

[rare zodiac]

that is the best choice, choose what suit you best

[noble tapir]

Cutscenes also don’t pause debuff timers. Makes getting the second crush in breach vs Rhodagn mildly more difficult lol

[lean pawn]

Have yall artificed pog art intsenity?

[rare zodiac]

sometime balacing both dps and defensive capacity is fun too, like sure i like high dps but sacrifice 10% of my dps to x2 x3 my team defensive capability? i would like that

[lean pawn]

But...but trim..

[rare zodiac]

trim is easy no?

not like sacrifice 10% of your dps affects the result

[lean pawn]

Ig idk I havent trim marble yet

[gaunt mason]

not a priority, very small gain in damage

[rare zodiac]

when we wipe the boss in matter of seconds not minute

[lean pawn]

What you mean seconds...

I think I am living in a different universe what you mean seconds xd

[summer flower]

Laev all skill m3 p5/p5 and 3 supports

Then they do it in seconds

[neat snow]

Yeah basically

[lean pawn]

Thats cool and all I have phys team

And I am not planning to stay with endmin I am waiting for tang tang

[neat snow]

I can't even try to get a 1m hit because it dies so fast

[rare zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GJNkQVg824&t=2s here is your phys team

[lean pawn]

uuuh I had no issue in this umbral

The first umbral was hell tho

[rare zodiac]

as i said, seconds

[lean pawn]

When you said...seconds it means seconds...

So I thought you meant trimming marble in seconds...

If you said second umbral that has a different meaning and context

[summer flower]

Yea umbral is quicker

[lean pawn]

First umbral was pain tho

[summer flower]

You should have shared laev p5/p5 video

[neat snow]

Well the marble fight has a lot of bs before you get to actually just combo the boss

[lean pawn]

The debuff would help no?

[summer flower]

Had to build healer for one stage trim, and had to do no dodge run in other after all but one fallen

[lean pawn]

I only suffered in the poison and arrow trim

[summer flower]

Yea, expected ones

Ardelia started taking all SP there is at some point in poison one

[lean pawn]

People than call you skill issue when you dont beat it first try xd

With you people having laev smh

[summer flower]

Some people who pulled enough for p5/p5 laev

[lean pawn]

Its crazy without whaling?

Deffo whaling

maybe if lucky dolphin

[summer flower]

It's not, but you need to prioritise building operators that you already are using

[rare zodiac]

well we can laugh for those that suffer using Lae in this umbral 2 stage

[summer flower]

And then you risk with next umbral being hard for your team

Exaclty

[neat snow]

It really was not that hard but it did require some patience instead of just full unga bunga dps

[summer flower]

But having not enough for rhogodan trim, was enough to trim umbral

[lean pawn]

No i meant getting p5 laev

[rare zodiac]

yeah but that like 90% of player no?

[summer flower]

P5 laev is whaling

[neat snow]

Right. That's where the problems arose they wanted to hold mouse button the entire fight

[lean pawn]

but umbral 2 has easy pattern to dodge its not chaos enemy spam which you have to constantly dodge and dodge more

If you cant dodge...just dodge more

[summer flower]

Then you stuck doddging, and you have to be good at it

[rare zodiac]

but those dumb Lae user can hide behind Lae strength and have to used brain for the first time

[summer flower]

Without even knowing how mechanic works that prevents you from getting hit by something you dodged even if you still in hitbox after dodge ended

I trimmed that stage after stopping with crushes

[lean pawn]

Is that common did any lae user complained yet

[summer flower]

And started to just lift them

[gaunt mason]

literally like a 1-2% increase in damage from +0 to +2 artifice on the pulsar pieces

[summer flower]

So they cannot be running around

[lean pawn]

First umbral I pogged aoe those asses, but still was pain

[rare zodiac]

i have seen a lot, including my dumbass friend

[summer flower]

A lot of people had

At least 4 I have seen

[lean pawn]

Pog aoe is so good for cc ngl

[summer flower]

Wait no, I only remember from name one

So at least two

[neat snow]

I saw some complaints on reddit or people at least saying they had to swap their composition

[summer flower]

But it was to be expected

[neat snow]

But I used standard Laev comp

It just required patience

[summer flower]

I think it's by design

Or just convergence making it so

[lean pawn]

I hope its the same people that said "first umbral was easy you just have skill issue"

[rare zodiac]

i said to my friend just dodge better lmao, you play Babel pgr in it's glory days, why get beat by 2 bulldozer when you use to face 4

[oak vigil]

ouuugh I wish they'll add something sooner after doing everything, I dunno, at least weekly boss or something

Eternally stuck to theory craft

why yes I love recompleting marble boss for 10th time now

[lean pawn]

12 days more until 1.1 you can survive it

[oak vigil]

Tbh it took a lot of time to complete this all

[rare zodiac]

i am getting so impatient that i fully artifice Arde gear for fun

[summer flower]

You know what's I'm annoyed about? Robot city medal isn't a trim

[valid zealot]

They are really inconsistent with these.

[lean pawn]

What is the robot city medal?

[summer flower]

Robots have place where they ask for help for robots broken inside

You go in and repair them

[lean pawn]

Oooh that

[summer flower]

And ta-ta one should also be trimmed

[lean pawn]

How yall feel about yvonne?

[drifting quest]

she has some new tech now, can have her moments but still probably the worst of the 'good' units

[lean pawn]

Isnt navigator already viable enough that you dont even need her sig

Cryo archetype in general is a mess

[drifting quest]

navigator and wedge are good enough that spending 18k on yvonne's sig is not worth it

compared to say laevatein

[lean pawn]

I wonder how come they nerfed yvonne so badly like that

[drifting quest]

they buffed her

she used to be worse

[lean pawn]

Wasnt she good with last rite in the beta tho

[drifting quest]

no

[next helm]

What is new tech

alesh?

[drifting quest]

some animation cancels and other similar things

[next helm]

Can I see those somewhere

[drifting quest]

they get discussed here every now and again

some of it is subserver stuff

[rare nimbus]

She's amazing

[next helm]

Too many characters I want to lvl

Btw for phys characters is it normal that they have lower atk stat?

Or does laev just have a lot

[rare nimbus]

I feel that, I did the mistake of lvling a few ppl that I dont currently used but then shifted my focus to only lvling Yvonne and building her properly and everyone else ill build slowly

[drifting quest]

Atk% on a weapon versus units that dont tend to have it on their weapons, locked behind conditionals or none at all

Plus generally likely different amounts of main stat access

[rare zodiac]

Mainly that huge ass 39% atk

[lean pawn]

Depressing

[honest hill]

u can do better

[lean pawn]

plausible

[honest hill]

what team

[lean pawn]

phys team

[honest hill]

maybe more investment

[lean pawn]

I wait for tang tang before I invest on endmin

I did the other 2 trim so all good

[next helm]

What i tangtang is cryo

[honest hill]

u think she will fit in phys

[neat snow]

She is clearly nature

[lean pawn]

Only time will tell, if I see no improvement imma max my endmin

[twilit quail]

it's time to channel kurogames

everyone will be literally random elements

[lean pawn]

Uuuh never played

[honest hill]

is ur team w lifeng

[lean pawn]

My lifeng is missing valiant cause I am dumb to not buy when it was purchasable

He is using chimeric

[honest hill]

oof

[lean pawn]

Missing dps fr

Imma might buy mountain bearer in the future

If tang tang sucks

[honest hill]

u have to pull it lol

[lean pawn]

ye...

[honest hill]

tangtang might be a dps

[lean pawn]

If so rossi might be fun

Idk what team comp rossi wants gilbert and ardel xd

[honest hill]

rossi def looks like a dps

[lean pawn]

Well we need 2 teams anyway

Prob

Well i got laev already so I want some good support for her

[honest hill]

iirc the cutscene she was killing all the monsters herself and wulfgard helped a little

[lean pawn]

I got her too late to invest so I am stuck with phys team

[lean pawn]

her blade looks sick

[honest hill]

won't be pulling her

[lean pawn]

Who you pulling for

[drifting quest]

does anyone have p4 laev and some free time

[summer flower]

Don't people go p5 at that point of whaling?

[daring dove]

I mean Shuo just means P4 or beyond so you have the ult cost reduction.

[summer flower]

Oh okay,

[drifting quest]

yeah p5 is irrelevant for what im trying to find out

[summer flower]

Yea, p4 might be rarer than p5, I wonder how it looks

[bitter nebula]

Guys should i pull for Yvonne sig?

[daring dove]

What are you trying to cook up?

[bitter nebula]

or there are other better options?

[drifting quest]

for the third time today i have heard that energy rounds up, which is

a big deal if true

but i am assuming it is false

the test case that im trying to confirm or deconfirm on is laev p4+

with the charge set

[drifting quest]

wedge at high pot is better than p0 sig
navigator at p5 or wedge at p0+ is close enough to save the 18k arsenal tokens and skip artzy

[summer flower]

Rounds up?

I would expect truncate

As it's what happens with math

For DMG etc

[drifting quest]

its baffled both myself and several other tc people

but nothing should go untested if possible

[bitter nebula]

so either navigator or wedge, the higher the pot the better

[daring dove]

I can likely test if you tell me your requirements, do you also need fully artifced gear for every slot?

With ult gain

[drifting quest]

yeah its max artificed tide chest, maxed xiranite gloves, maxed redeemer seal

if you dont already have them then dont artifice one just to test

[daring dove]

I have them all already, because from my tests I was sometimes missing a bit of ult when using hot works gloves.

[drifting quest]

2 team skills, 1 laev combo, 1 laev enhanced skill

starting from 0 energy

is the test

it shouldnt charge ult on xiranite gloves, 1 redeemer seal

oh and single target

should mention

[daring dove]

Does team matter at all, because my teams a bit odd want me to use Wulfguard?

[drifting quest]

it'd easiest with like just laev and wulf, if you have p5 wulf which i assume you do

wulf skill > combo > ult > skill > combo
laev combo > n5 to absorb 4mf > 4mf skill

2 wulf skills (2 team skill)
1 laev combo
1 laev 4mf skill

if it gets ult this is like

huge

if it doesnt then nothing ever happens it works as intended

[daring dove]

So I want to have 4 stacks on Laevatain have zero energy full ult gain. use two skills on teammates then Laevetain skill? see if that's enough for ult I'm I getting this right?

[dusk isle]

Shuo i wanted to ask

Does this seem to match with the data you got, this is todays arsenal shop in asia (about daily arsenal looping)

[tight haven]

NO.

oh

[drifting quest]

replace the second seals with any kit

(that doesnt give uge%)

[drifting quest]

IT CYCLES LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[dusk isle]

SO STANZA IN A WEEK OR SO LETS GOOOO

[drifting quest]

i dont know when the next stanza is

[edgy crater]

[drifting quest]

i missed several days of data

[dusk isle]

Oh

[drifting quest]

so the gap from chimeric to freedom

could be 1 day

could be 7

[dusk isle]

Still, STANZA IN SOME WEEKS LETS GOO

[drifting quest]

same for canal to ww

[dusk isle]

Thanks

[daring dove]

So jump into EX crisis use ult to make sure zero energy.

Engage the boss after ult

[hasty grail]

Probably easier to just go into umbral for 0 energy? Unless you needed precharged stacks or something

[daring dove]

Use two team skills then combust on Laevatain.

[drifting quest]

either works

wulf skill > combo > ult > skill > combo
laev combo when it comes up at wulf ult
eat the 3 remaining infliction stacks via basic attacks
laev 4mf skill when you have the sp

it should not get ult

[summer flicker]

oh nice, stanza p5 could not come any sooner 😭

[daring dove]

I see what you're trying to cook her you want to get slab back on Laevatain ideally at P4+. I'll try do it now.

[drifting quest]

fwiw i think slab is less damage anyway

but its a build prydwen suggests and other people have said about energy rounding (it doesnt round)

so wanting to confirm

[steady gate]

This is my data. There was a day where it was wrong, but I was missing a few days too. I saw the cycling about 2 weeks ago

[tame sand]

thermite when

only weapon Im willing to spend tickets on

[manic blade]

any1 know how to get that chest at the start of the first event mision today

got to the end idk if I can go back

[daring dove]

Processing on streamable now

[summer flower]

you can dodge finish line in cryptid run stage XD

[daring dove]

I wish me recording for a few seconds wasn't gigabytes of data.

Would allow the stream sites to process my videos a lot quicker

[summer flower]

usually you dont need to do that

[steady gate]

You can just finish the mission, restart it then get the chest and leave.

[manic blade]

fire

ig it's at the start? must of missed where to go

uhhhh how do i get it lmao

found itttttttt

[daring dove]

https://streamable.com/kzw069

This what you're looking for hopefuilly rotation was right?

I think I would of gotten ult of the back of Ardelia triggering Laevatain's combo skill

[drifting quest]

looks right

ty

we deconfirmed it in like 3 different ways as well but good to be ultra sure

[summer flower]

they increasing star count for some questions

they wanna better resolution

[outer ermine]

damn

fuck im somehow missing stagger again

[edgy crater]

130k crit eyja

[neat snow]

That's tang tang

[pure spoke]

TANG TANG WHEN

[neat snow]

She's coming

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-theresa-civilight-eterna-gif-7251745057509730993

[gritty briar]

Does anyone happen to know if sundered prince stagger bonus is additive or multiplicative with swordmancer's?

[pure spoke]

NO CLUE

[outer ermine]

right here u can see it very well, it hit way too early lol

no good crits today, 2morrow i can full grind

[summer flower]

I wonder the same

i guess i could test it?

[gritty briar]

if you do, lmk

wiki says rhodagn has 280 stagger if that helps

[summer flower]

lets see how math then it goes

[pure spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357611796682768385/1476689051695317114/432eooawqslg1-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[summer flower]

i missed that quest

O.O

where is it?

[pure spoke]

[summer flower]

did i really skip thru that?

[pure spoke]

idk that quest

[normal tangle]

holy banger

first gilb W

[pure spoke]

angelina is just that savage

[normal tangle]

if i saw that i woulda pulled fr

[summer flower]

okay, so question is

does sundered apply to each FS ?

[pure spoke]

she is crazy

[summer flower]

or just to next ones?

[normal tangle]

what is sundered

the weapon?

[summer flower]

sundered prince

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/gilberta-angelina-angelica-arknights-endfield-gif-11689097488919160589

[normal tangle]

oh idk

[pure spoke]

<@&956153874383781928>

sry wrong ping. the pic alrdy got deleted

[summer flower]

they got do not post channel

for that reason

[glass agate]

only ping mods if its not deleted after a min or so

[pure spoke]

i see. thx i didnt know that

[glass agate]

np

[summer flower]

ehhh

i'm not sure i can test sundered prince and set interaction

difference seems tight

yea i cannot at p0 of sundered prince

unless not truncated math?

wait, no i think i can?

[summer flicker]

m6 xaihi

[tight haven]

okay so i found the gilb p3 use case

LMAO

its necessary for 1 cycle wulf ult to work

[daring dove]

Fair, but then you're dropping Akekuri or Ardelia from the team.

[summer flower]

i'm not sure

[tight haven]

yeah

it doesnt matter

[summer flower]

i have vid recorded

but it seems its additive?

or its not added on attack it triggers it

[tight haven]

gilb also gets 1 cycle ult

[gritty briar]

hm

[tight haven]

its an extremely artifice-heavy setup however

[summer flower]

i cannot post video without editing cause i did mishap

[daring dove]

Gilberta's shred doesn't sync well with Laevatain though. It's only 5 seconds.

[summer flower]

This would suggest lower value as 8.04 final strikes required

Cannot post video without editing which I am not inclined to do

[tight haven]

it does

[summer flower]

Does it look like 8 final strikes out of required 8.04?

[tight haven]

you ult on ebs 1+combo before ulting

[summer flower]

Maybe on different enemy I could test it?

[tight haven]

then you ult again during laevs ult

the rotation actually syncs up scarily well

[daring dove]

Fair, I don't think it has too many use cases though, as in AoE content when you'd use Gilberta you don't need Wulf. An in ST Ardelia is still just better.

Still if you like the team I guess enjoy it.

[gritty briar]

i feel like it'd be pretty noticeable if the first one didn't get the stagger buff

holy shit my internet is dying

[summer flower]

not the having to test it on dorrito

[potent hornet]

i have bought all the credits available in the shop and they don't restock 🙁

[summer flower]

man, stagger hp are not good for testing at p0 of this

i cannot even test it if its applied for final strike its activating it

[gritty briar]

I guess it does?
That would be like 0.5% of the bar remaining

[summer flower]

cause i dont have 30+ stagger in hit

you got sundered prince at higher potential?

[neat snow]

Have to use the whale shop

[gritty briar]

mine is also only p0 and i'm not at my pc rn

[summer flower]

@neat snow you do perhaps?

p1 probably would be enough

[neat snow]

I have it yes

[summer flower]

can you test if ability changes stagger on first attack before buff hits?

non swordmancer set, two final strikes on enemy with 60 stagger hp

[potent hornet]

why would p1 change anything reguarding stagger?

[summer flower]

because then its gonna be 30+ when buff works

other wise its 29.8

[midnight stirrup]

Yo Striker

[gritty briar]

would be easier to see the difference

[teal pawn]

Oh wow no new events

[summer flower]

and not much different stagger level avaible

[daring dove]

Hey

[teal pawn]

This is gonna be painful

[potent hornet]

for ember?

[midnight stirrup]

I did a thing today

[summer flower]

and goal is to check if its applied for attack that activates it or not

[daring dove]

Lemme guess a silly one, does it involve Yvonne.

[potent hornet]

i'm confused, this is for ember?

[summer flower]

yea

[midnight stirrup]

Uhm yes alongside something

[potent hornet]

nothing in her P1 changes stagger in any way

[summer flower]

not her potential

[gritty briar]

p1 on the sword

sundered prince

[potent hornet]

ahh

[summer flower]

sundered prince potential

otherwise its pain to correctly check it

which enemy it would even be?

29.8, cause ofc it couldnt be 30 at p0

[potent hornet]

at p2 its 19.2% with only 1 level from essence

[summer flower]

i got essence maxed.... also i dont think there is 50 stagger enemy

[potent hornet]

16.8 without the essence

[summer flower]

wait, there are like 100 or 200 ones

[daring dove]

Ah C6 Klee congratz.

[midnight stirrup]

@daring dove nobody on hexenzirkel all dead sets lol

[summer flower]

quill beast is 200 i guess?

wait no

base is 25

doesnt help

AHH

[gritty briar]

A lot of skills also hit for a flat 10 so could also spam those until rhodagn is the right number

[summer flower]

i knew its gonna be tight

sp gen is slower than 10 stagger from hitting with sword

difference in sundered

is less than 5

[daring dove]

Nice, going for an overload team hu.

[summer flower]

between max essence and no passive on sundered

[midnight stirrup]

Its her best rn yeah

[noble tapir]

What should I prioritize for Yvonne artificing?

[summer flower]

unless different operator?

[midnight stirrup]

Would hit higher if they were on hexen but hexen wont give

But for a 1.0 char thats 6 years old not bad

[daring dove]

I think her my friend calc'ed her theoretical peak at 680k, but that was like full whale team. I can't remember the exact format though.

She's kinda Arle level.

[midnight stirrup]

Her full whale team looks a lot different

Has citlali and shit

[daring dove]

Yep

[midnight stirrup]

Shes stronger than Arle at C1 vs C0

Which is a fair comparison cause c1 is free now

But yeah Arle held up long so not a bad dps level to be at

Mine is above

[gritty briar]

i've just got nothing to do at work rn and just been putting rotations into a spreadsheet out of boredom for the past hour

[summer flower]

too much dmg... ahhh

[drifting quest]

back in my day international was the stronges team

[daring dove]

Before I stopped playing Genshin I was doing silly stuff like breaking 2 million DPS. So I kinda have a bit of an un-grounded view sometimes.

[gritty briar]

you know how you can interrupt those red circle attacks and do some extra stagger? does anyone happen to know how much stagger that does?

[bronze plume]

back in my day genshin was a good game

my day was no day at all

i peaked before birth

[summer flower]

hmmm

okay so 16x2 =32

32 + 25 = 57
57<60

so sundered prince stagger effect works not as buff but on that final strike

@gritty briar additive

[summer flicker]

is xaihi using this over maximize int stacking for the highest buff during ultimate better or worse since the xiranite set buff is non active for most of the rotation

[edgy crater]

if u dont have any slave to slap xiranite set, xaihi can go with xiranite set

[summer flower]

So yea, if you see swordmancer ember, please do public service announcement about it being additive to sundered prince

[summer flicker]

gilb cant use/ or more like she only apply xiranite set at the ult time

when stanza

[summer flower]

Also noticed something

20% ain't that much really

[gritty briar]

thanks for testing

also fuck

i was really hoping for a tiny bit more stagger

[summer flower]

In grand scheme of things does it even grant you additional stagger on boss fight?

[gritty briar]

my swordmancer catcher...

[summer flower]

Does catcher have extra stagger?

[edgy crater]

well, xiranite set xaihi shouldve got near 500 int instead 675, so u just lose 5-6% amp but can trigger xira set

[summer flower]

If it's flat it should be multiplicative

[gritty briar]

no

i'm just running sundered prince and swordmancer on him

anyways the 10 stagger for interrupting red circle is just a random guess but if this is the case, i'm just slightly off for my plan

maybe swordmancer buffs the interrupt stagger too...

[summer flower]

How much Extra DMG you get?

[summer flicker]

507 int, vs 678(iirc) so that is 5.04% amp
so the question is

[summer flower]

There is break point

[edgy crater]

xira 15% i think

[summer flicker]

16% xiranite uptime for the whole rotation, or higher amp during yvonne ult

which is better

[summer flower]

How was breakpoint calculation without doing binary Search?

[gritty briar]

dude i stg if i see rhodagn with like 1 pixel of stagger leftover when i try this, i'm going to lose it

[summer flower]

You seen my screenshot

If it was multiplicative

It would been clean stagger

With 4% left

Wait a sec

If it's truncated

[gritty briar]

yeah i'm taking your word for it

[summer flower]

Then my research did nothing

Ohh fff

[gritty briar]

now i'm just wondering how much the bit of stagger from countering red circles are worth

because i get 1 of those in phase 2

[dusk isle]

Does this talent only multiply susceptibility explicitly labeled "Cryo Susc" or all susc including "arts susc"

[summer flower]

Wait no

If it's truncated it's still fine

[gritty briar]

and whether those get buffed by sm

[summer flicker]

iirc, maygi test this and it all susc

[summer flower]

Cause it would be 8 final strikes for multiplicative

Research saved

[dusk isle]

Thanks

[summer flicker]

let me find that to check if i remember right

[dusk isle]

You dont really have to, i was just wondering and was too lazy to calculate it myself

[summer flower]

15% of damage and 5% amp

You need what? +200% damage for it to be equivalent? Assuming no amp sources?

[edgy crater]

*16%

i missremember the xira set effect

[summer flicker]

yes i found it

it does work

maygidrool

[summer flower]

Okay, but does my math for mistaken number maths?

[dusk isle]

Thanks again

[summer flicker]

this is with gilb sus

[dusk isle]

Yea i was womdering about that as well

I dont have her at m1 yet so

The question popped in my head when i was wondering if the increase would be multiplied as well

[gritty briar]

makes sense to me
315% compared to 300% is 5% bigger

[summer flower]

In my current state mental capacity is diminished to regular

And I was kinda not doing maths in recent period

[summer flicker]

hmm so 16% dmg dealt is in the damage bonus, is there anything there in yvonne team in that category

[summer flower]

its all damage bonuses

cryo damage that isnt amp

damage %

[summer flicker]

ok so cyro%, dmg dealt% is in dmg bonus

ic

[summer flower]

i think that's all

so not sure you get to +200%

also uptime

[summer flicker]

i think this rot is roughly 60s, and xiranite only buff the last like 4s of it

[gritty briar]

shit
i guess i'm counting pixels on the stagger bar when i get home

[summer flicker]

with xirante set on xaihi the uptime should be like most of the time, with exception of like 4~5s at the start cuz no final strike yet

[twilit quail]

it's for illustration purposes

to say that with ange your xiranite is only up here

because this timeline also works from 0 energy

so if you need ult gain on xaihi the xira will cover first fs onwards

it's just that with ult start it's more dmg to have substat gear

[drifting quest]

have you done the math for slab for hot work gloves on p4 laev

on charge set

i didnt want to go check if you'd done it

rotation difference makes it giga awkward though

[twilit quail]

uhhhhh

is this for double slab or

[drifting quest]

single

tide chest
1 seal

then either 2nd seal + hw gloves
or
xir gloves + slab

[summer flicker]

ic, if you prep ult and do like 1 rot, then xaihi stakcing int, else then xaihi xiranite

[twilit quail]

that doesnt sound real cause single slab is kinda worthless

i dont think i have it onhand

[drifting quest]

i assumed as much but like

prydwen things

[twilit quail]

xd

[valid zealot]

Just don't include it as an option no one will ask.

clueless

[drifting quest]

well its

still a set to consider

if you're not p5 wulf

since 4 skill you overcap on 2 seals

it's just not the better set for p5 wulf owners

[valid zealot]

[boreal siren]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[dry kindle]

Ok but who the fuck has p4 laev without p5 wulf

[tight haven]

guy who got p4 laev in 5 pulls:

[gritty olive]

You

[warm galleon]

Me staring at my three p2 6star.

Where's my p5 Xaihi?

[red topaz]

@craggy pond @torpid goblet @edgy crater @dusk isle this channel exists

[odd wren]

@gaunt mason @static pewter can gilb replace ardelia for the nuke comp?

Like straight up just for the ult

[gaunt mason]

no? gilb only gives arts sus

[static pewter]

No because ardelia gives phys sus while gil doesn't

[odd wren]

Oh

[gaunt mason]

also hiragi i can't get the sheet to work for your 1.42m

i tested it with my own aether set and it was fine

your instance of 1.42m breaks the whole sheet lmfao

[static pewter]

[summer flower]

Ehh...

I just recently read here

[edgy crater]

nah, i go back sleeping

[summer flower]

That Gilb is bis support

For phys

[static pewter]

That 1.43m doesn't have corrosion

Btw

[red topaz]

gn hnaf

[gaunt mason]

yeah

it's missing exactly 24% dmg

[odd wren]

Oh i was just asking im not stating it

[gaunt mason]

which is what aether would've given if endmin could actually stack it

[static pewter]

[gaunt mason]

but she can't so like

idk

[edgy crater]

bruh, dat mean im basically im gonna watch youtube

[summer flower]

It's funny how to see conflicting info, based on what time of day it is

[odd wren]

Wait was it me tho?

[gaunt mason]

do you have the video for 1.42m? maybe i missed something

[static pewter]

Yeah, hold on lemme upload it

[odd wren]

Last night i did something new

[gaunt mason]

[odd wren]

But still with the chen

902k non crit

I tested with ardekia while practicing(forgot to do a vid) i only did 807k i think i missed alot of the buffs and debuffs

But the 807k has no food

[warm galleon]

Is that with rapid or sig?

Looks like rapid

[odd wren]

Rapid on who?

[static pewter]

https://streamable.com/5h6bco

[warm galleon]

Ohh sig glow

Rapid ascent

[static pewter]

[dusk isle]

@torpid goblet i dont want you terrorizing #help anymore but here is your proof that you moved the goalpost several times. I wont reply after this message so stay mad idc

[odd wren]

[odd wren]

What if hiragi use my account to do the world record

[valid zealot]

$30000.

[static pewter]

Nahhh, I need to lock in my studies and life for now before going back in gacha rabbit hole

[edgy crater]

ithere, no need to bring it here, literally

[drifting quest]

oh boy more drama

[dusk isle]

Ik but i have my own rules as well, i wont continue it. That message concludes my answer

[odd wren]

Btw im actually a professor with a masters in social studies i might be able to help ya xd

[drifting quest]

if you have issue with the conduct of users then you can always report it to opal

[static pewter]

[odd wren]

[steep holly]

whats the sig weapon for xhixi

[drifting quest]

her sig is like freedom but that's not her bis

[edgy crater]

w8, did u still maxing endmin strat?

[drifting quest]

detonation unit or chivalric virtues are her 2 main weapons

[glass birch]

Chivalric Virtues

[static pewter]

I'm currently taking bsis so I don't think social studies could help me aside on purposive communication for now

[warm galleon]

Starry for speed kill and Stanza for Nature dps

[glass birch]

Chivalric Virtues is Xaihi's sig.
Detonation Unit is a general wep

[dusk isle]

@torpid goblet just drop the essay you are writing in to my dms i dont want you terrorizing this place as well

[edgy crater]

whats the different for them at max pot? 2%?

[drifting quest]

depends on
Team
Gear
Rotation
Weapons

yada yada

[edgy crater]

[drifting quest]

deto is better in more cases

[edgy crater]

ok2

[drifting quest]

if you just want 1 weapon

speed kill is not the highest 1 shot damage what

its the fastest clear time

[warm galleon]

What's her main dps weapon

[drifting quest]

yvonne especially dips into more than her ult to speedkill

alesh can be mandatory for some speedkills (depends on various factors) due to sp gate

in other speedkills he isnt required because there is no sp gate

the 16s yvonne clear uses snowshine

lmfao

so not yvonne perlica xaihi gilb

[edgy crater]

nah shuo, its ur standard snowshine case being "useful" in a team then derranged into alesh/perlica on yvonne team

[drifting quest]

[odd wren]

Erm what? Am i minmaxing endmin strat?

[drifting quest]

snowshine is technically the fastest clear time yvonne team

which is a

hell of a statement

[edgy crater]

w8, u dont? i thougt u minmax hiragi 1.4m endmin strat

[dusk isle]

Alesh is the fastest afaik hnaf has the vid

[glass birch]

16s yvonne clear w/ snowshine?

[drifting quest]

faster than 16s?

[dusk isle]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1PjfsBRE9Y

[edgy crater]

its 10s fatso run

[odd wren]

Oh i havent really pulled off the nuke strat

[dusk isle]

I realized i do as well

[drifting quest]

new to me

nice

[warm galleon]

There was a 12s yah, which is why I mentioned Starry on Xaihi

[drifting quest]

i dont have to unironically discuss snowshine

[warm galleon]

Because Starry boost just amp that's it

[drifting quest]

oh wait no i have seen this one

[odd wren]

Im minmaxing the normal physical comp@edgy crater

[drifting quest]

there's something wrong with it

let me try backsearch

[edgy crater]

pyical 20s fatso real

[glass birch]

P5P5 yvonne?

[drifting quest]

no like

there was something that would have dq'd it

[glass birch]

Whats the vid for the 16s kill w/ snowshine?

[odd wren]

But thats with dapan haha also im not going for the speedrun xd

[drifting quest]

by speedrun standards

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1hKAkzFEMX

[edgy crater]

nah, do it lol

[odd wren]

Im just trying to see the highest possible damage without ardelia

[drifting quest]

they're different categories anyway i guess

the 16s one is on stage load

the 10s one is on aggro

[odd wren]

Based on the sheet lappland made if i use the ardelia comp with flat atk food i can do 2.2m crit crush

But for the normal physical comp i can do 1.7m crit which im trying to achieve

So far i did 900k non crit

[glass birch]

Lets be real though. It wouldnt change anything It's still a faster run if we go off load instead of off hit.

[drifting quest]

it matters more than you'd think

[odd wren]

Thata considering i have everything aligned properly

[warm galleon]

Since rapid has 19% crit rate will it outdamage endmin sig or the other stats will be much better

[drifting quest]

i doubt it becomes slower

naturally

[warm galleon]

Arts intensity

[drifting quest]

but it also becomes a lot closer

[sour solstice]

I don't know if this is the right channel but is it better timewise to pick lvl 4 skill up protocol space than lvl 5 skill up protocol?

I can further elaborate it using simple math

i know, the calculations and my data are based on my data alone

[odd wren]

Nah sig is way better

Coz of endmin talent on potential

[warm galleon]

How does arts intensity help endmin? Donno much about phys

[sour solstice]

assuming that I can clear lvl 5 in 180 seconds and 40 for lvl 4

[odd wren]

Considering im wearinf arts gears

[sour solstice]

and my maximum stamina is 346

[odd wren]

My arts intensity is 263

[drifting quest]

you have time efficiency and stamina efficiency then

[odd wren]

Thats 263%

[sour solstice]

hold on, I can make a thread on explaining my logic here right?

[warm galleon]

Ohh crush damage

Okay

[sour solstice]

yes!

would you like for me to elaborate ( though is it ok to make a thread?)

[summer flicker]

ten ye, just do lvl 4 if you wantto save time

and also buy the sanity ticket on the valley/wuling shop to save time too

(those r ridiculusly expensive)

[sour solstice]

no, the thing is is that I need to burn a lot of sanity from the sanity boosters

and no, I am not a whale

[summer flicker]

✅

[sour solstice]

got it

but I can calculate the maximum protechedron for a set ammount of time

I did not get in to the math part of my question but thanks

[glass birch]

much closer yes; but another thing to note is that Snowshine isnt really doing anything other than eating SP and lets you ignore 1 hit.
Also to note; the snowshine comp was using ardelia instead of Xaihi. So you're trading Xaihi's AMP(~26% +~14% and 18% from bs + 25% atk) for 20% susceptibility + 28% arts dmg taken (~48% increased damage) So it definitely could've been faster.

[drifting quest]

she's there for the superarmour

since you can't dodge tech with yvonne

you already giga overkill

[summer flicker]

battle skill is 20 (15 + 5 from p1)
ult is 24 + 20 (if 678 int iirc)

[drifting quest]

it turns out in some speedkills xaihi is a time loss

due to ult cast time

[glass birch]

P5 Xaihi

[summer flicker]

+4 for p5

[warm galleon]

Snowshine ult forces solidification without needing to pre-stack and p3 extends it so you get yvone bonus damage on full duration.

It's just a free pre-stack slot

[shy bloom]

How much stronger is Pog,Lifeng endmin team compared to Avywenna team?(with and without gilberta)

[drifting quest]

depends

whats your metric for stronger

[shy bloom]

in term of clear time for re-crisis for example

[drifting quest]

on what boss, under what assumptions

[signal sundial]

I thought the main consideration for the phys team is your wallet and irl sanity since everyone's technically DPS

[glass birch]

1.1x increase at P5; brings M3 ult's 24% base to 26.4% and I calc'd the 14% based on the gear I use currently since the showcased Xaihi from the 10s vid had like 375 int Then they had P5 chivalric for the 25% atk bump on heal. I dont have her BS mastered yet so I went off the wiki for the numebrs on that one

[shy bloom]

I don't know just which one is stronger overall in all content

[drifting quest]

they specialise in different things

neither is directly better than the other

depending on your investment, your gear, your rotation, the content you fight

etc etc

one can beat the other

there are caveats to both, as well

it depends how much you care

[signal sundial]

I will say electric takes maybe 5% more brain power to play since you actually have to care about where your spears land

[drifting quest]

if you dont engage with rotations or proper alignment physical is likely to perform better

so the more brain off team

[signal sundial]

Dopamine hit on spears+perlica stagger is pretty cool tho

[shy bloom]

I read a guide about the physical rotation and it looks complicated with things like when exactly to use a character's combo or skill, if I don't do that properly will it still be better than electric?

[drifting quest]

if you also dont do the electric rotation properly then yes

[bronze plume]

rotations arent actually complicated they just look like that with 0 knowledge

[gaunt mason]

bro this one was definitely with corrosion

everything else matched up but the crush number 😭

[warm galleon]

Should I keep pulling til either I get last dupe of Xaihi or enough currency to buy her.

Or you know wait for Rossi banner and cope

We're not getting any standard banner pulls anytime soon

[wanton notch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1rfjycc/pogranichnik_complete_guide_with_math_ult/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Hm

[drifting quest]

Decent few issues in assumptions and calcs

Skimming over it

But gets to essentially the same outcome we have been at already

Bias more to pure ae stack over clean rot, and shills nr more

[frozen tide]

Mf will look over reddit post calcs but not my sheet

[signal sundial]

Rotations are in all lineups, some easier than others to pull off

If pull off 0 rotations you do 0 damage

[dusk isle]

Can i look at your sheet

[signal sundial]

AH FUCK

[frozen tide]

Sure

[signal sundial]

I FORGOT TO PUT THE AVYWENNA SPEAR TRACKER SUGGESTIKN INTO THE SURVEY

I knew I was forgetting something

[odd wren]

Its not really that complicated unless you want to include ardelia (can see hiragi's 1.4m burst, coz of ardelia's phys susc from cs into bs) it will a little bit of complicated coz of the timings for the big nuke

Or if its dapan you gonna need to learn how to hit the burst in the perfect frame

But if its just pog lifeng chen and endmin its super easy to underatand since you just need to do 4 vul into breach then 4 vul into crush, but you need to take into consideration if you want to do a high nuke crush you need to line up endmins cs + link from lifeng + all the buffs from your gear sets/ weapons/ grand vision/endmin talent.

Something like this will be the result of the nuke(tbf i think im still mistiming some but yeah it takes time to learn)

PS. You can see the buffs endmin got before doing the nuke. On endmins hp bar below

[bronze plume]

poor punching bag

[foggy birch]

So I have all the limited operators, but, I also have all of their signature weapons, which should I choose from this one?

[odd wren]

Save it

Dont open it yet

Or take one from it i mean

[foggy birch]

Aw shucks I was looking forward to choose one as well, aight I'll keep it

[vestal sinew]

What is this hitting burst in the perfect frame thing?

[odd wren]

For dapan? Have you seen the 25 second dapan burst?

Lemme try to find it for you

[vestal sinew]

I don’t think so? I only saw the rotation in the pinned document

[odd wren]

https://b23.tv/RFNJacM

Now if you see the perfect timing on stagger + all skills used

Its really complicated to pull off

[vestal sinew]

Damn it looks quite strong but it feels like it’s specific to speed running wouldn’t the build and rotation in the pinned document be better

[odd wren]

Yea of course pinned ones are for overall dps

This one is for speed running

But if you aiming for nuke builds speedrunning builds are the best

But i never went for the pinned build as in made a tweak on it, since i went for aether tech 3 pcs(16% and 8% phys dmg increase, tho this one im not sure yet if the aether tech effect stacks) on endmin since i have p5 gv(100.8% phys dmg inc) and p5 never(35% phys dmg inc) rest + the xyranite set(16% phys dmg inc) effect from lifeng

[wanton notch]

Remind me, Lift itself applies stagger or only when you hit already lifted/vulnerable target?

Just wanna know due Force Applied Lift

[odd wren]

Need to double check on this

I cant go online to check xd

Or maybe can check database

[vestal sinew]

Does someone have a video on the specific rotation in pinned document for mono physical with da pan?

[odd wren]

Not sure

[wanton notch]

@unreal light I am sure you know the answer

[odd wren]

Maybe can ask in #team-build

[atomic kraken]

i feel like this guy the new old cryoregisvine for diluc in 1.0

man do i feel old

[static pewter]

Oh wait I just noticed that, I kinda forgor . Lemme check other vids I have that doesn't have corrosion. Iirc I have a non corrosion vid. Just couldn't remember if I saved it or deleted it

[static pewter]

If it has vuln iirc

If no vuln it doesn't apply lift

[odd wren]

Enlighten me pls haha i have no idea what is this hahaha

[static pewter]

But if it has vuln it applies lift

[odd wren]

Yeah

[wanton notch]

What if lift force applied

[wanton notch]

Apel rotation is not the same as in Google doc?

[atomic kraken]

just other gacha things

[static pewter]

It should be the same as perlica cs

[wanton notch]

So does stagger I assume?

[static pewter]

Yep, prob

[odd wren]

So you cannot lift without vul stacks?

[wanton notch]

I know for sure Chen can't

Because if you do her Battle Skill on 0 vuln target, her BS will not trigger guards

[vestal sinew]

Can someone confirm I can’t check rn

[odd wren]

Oh hahaha

[gaunt mason]

it's alright i got it

i really thought i was tweaking lmao

[odd wren]

Welp

[chilly raft]

almost there

spam combo

[odd wren]

Oh hoh

[static pewter]

I got one 1.21m without corrosion

[wanton notch]

So that's why

[chilly raft]

alright i done 2 team build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220810810658525301/1463777942827171892/xormo.gif

[gaunt mason]

sounds about right for no corro

[peak void]

what do we think abt this on last rite

[chilly raft]

ice team seem promising

[chilly raft]

seem like a spammer gear

[peak void]

what does that mean

[chilly raft]

unit that build to spam battle skill

like chen

[peak void]

isnt "all skill" including skill combo and ult

[chilly raft]

it give stack when you use skill

and chen combo have very low CD

[peak void]

oh nah im not talking abt the set passive

[chilly raft]

if you get her to max

[peak void]

im talking abt the armor raw stat

[chilly raft]

welp chen use agi

big nap

[peak void]

im running tide set on LR but idk which armor pc to grab

[odd wren]

Sigh when will i do crits on my typical chen comp

[peak void]

this one looks good but maybe im missing smth cus its not on the pinned doc

[chilly raft]

man her name sound like transformer

[static pewter]

Just crit it

[vestal sinew]

I don’t think it’s the same rotation as in the pinned document rotation they use da pans battle skill in first rotation and pog ult too

[odd wren]

https://tenor.com/view/nike-gif-12500184

[wanton notch]

Prob because dapan p5 and it's faster to do 4 vuln this way (and to put it on cool down ASAP)

I think?

[chilly raft]

why do i feel like the grass unit were built to fit in support

[summer flicker]

grass has corrosion, so they sp code