#theorycrafting

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frigid vector
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I think we'd get more flak if we didn't have arclight over having her

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it amounts to saying "this character is worthless and should never be used"

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technically fluorite is almost always going to be a bad pick for cryo teams

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you always get more value out of another slot than her, but having her somewhere to showcase she can be used has some merit

inland geyser
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maybe have some indication of her being lower prio than ake

peak void
inland geyser
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that's the best thing I can think of without actually just nuking her

frigid vector
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not much we can do on the tier list, like I guess we could put ake over arclight? there's been no thought historically to the ordering

inland geyser
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can't do the icon size thing?

frigid vector
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but I can suggest for the tier list updates to maybe have it as an unspoken rule of sorts to maybe order it

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I'd have to ask

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would probably look very weird though, at this point it'd need some kind of

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separate UI element to specify "the best team" or something, that'd be what the tier list placement is based on

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I don't really do the tier lists tbh I'm more of a writer but

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I can float some ideas around and see what thoughts are

inland geyser
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alright cool

frigid vector
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it's a bit weird though cause thinking about it

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let's say yvonne

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perlica mogs alesh in single burst scenarios or 100 ult energy starts

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but alesh is way better for extended rotations

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so like, both stay big and then snowshine/fluorite stay small? if it's a second line to indicate the ideal team would it still have both?

dry kindle
inland geyser
frigid vector
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before

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every assumption is always p0p0

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alesh can still be good at 100 ult energy starts since he enables xaihi talent

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that p5 15s rho kill was alesh instead of perlica

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but it entirely skipped final strikes because it had so much damage that it didn't need it

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unless there's a p0p0 run that's killing without a single final strike use that I haven't seen monkaS

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oh

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you meant rare fin

dry kindle
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🗿

inland geyser
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lmao

dry kindle
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dies

frigid vector
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too much gambling in this game

drifting quest
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no rng alesh is kinda still better if its yvonne

frigid vector
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just generally, since perlica isn't providing any stack build so rotations are really slow

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ye

drifting quest
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turns out yvonne is just that ass that she requires the sp to function

inland geyser
frigid vector
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you have time to build x2 thermite stacks and it speeds up rotations massively, both from free cryo and as shuo says SP

drifting quest
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the rotations get giga cooked without sp regen due to their cost / length

inland geyser
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I've had avy miss final strike for no reasons way too much

drifting quest
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700sp yvonne lines

frigid vector
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perlica is slooooooooooooooow as fuck, but her full arts intensity + stanza burst is pretty nuts

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like the fastest kills I've seen of the latest umbral

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don't even bother with yvonne ult

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just kill with the finisher on stagger

inland geyser
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LTG Perlica

frigid vector
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so it depends on rot length

dry kindle
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when we getting a corrosion support we can shove intensity on

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its gonna be so stupid YA

drifting quest
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dps perlica is pretty fire

frigid vector
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gilberta with hot work cartridge and sig clearly

drifting quest
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the more i see it

inland geyser
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I'm already shoving intensity on my ange

drifting quest
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she slots into basically any arts team and can help clear out trash

frigid vector
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ye

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with how low HP things are currently

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oblivion perlica not even a meme, esp on elec

drifting quest
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she drops ult and that's one wave gone

inland geyser
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I have both oblivion and det unit maxed

frigid vector
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det unit probably going to be best for most scenarios but if you need that perlica burst

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or you're doing stuff like perli/antal on elec

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where antal gets det unit

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oblivion can be worthwhile

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and of course

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pure dps perlica is gaming

inland geyser
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why does she have crit as one of her used stats though, p5 giving crit on ult

drifting quest
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if its not waves of aoe trash dps perlica value drops a decent chunk

dry kindle
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the world if fangyi can use oblivion

inland geyser
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I can't man

drifting quest
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since most bossing content is looping burst windows

frigid vector
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I think maygi had some calcs

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that even in single target scenarios on elec team with antal

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oblivion was competitive with wild wanderer

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det unit blows it out of the water but

dawn patrol
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20 more days of a banner i don't care about it's so over

drifting quest
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yeah i can imagine it beats ww because ww is

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ehh

inland geyser
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yeah I tested it myself, dmg% is so insanely over saturated wild wanderer didn't actually contribute too much

dry kindle
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wdym

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its a whole

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12.8% damage dealt Condemned

drifting quest
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i am curious which set dps perlica is running though

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ive seen like 3

inland geyser
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pulsar 3p

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with lynx kit

drifting quest
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i wanted to do the math on it but its at the bottom of my list

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pulser for dps perl seems

dry kindle
sterile patrol
inland geyser
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the stone that perlica uses on her finisher

chilly bolt
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int main stat, slab-able

drifting quest
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i mean i can see it but idk if its winning

frigid vector
inland geyser
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if you actually use her finisher in rotation

drifting quest
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talos wiki removed the gear tab from the main menu

sterile patrol
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her damage is sizable in the team

drifting quest
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im going to crash out

drifting quest
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its what

dry kindle
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what

chilly bolt
inland geyser
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khang the prydwen shill

drifting quest
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tide fall
pulser
mi security
bonekrusha

frigid vector
drifting quest
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the sets ive seen people running on her

inland geyser
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bone

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wtf

drifting quest
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i dont think the bone ver is very good

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fwiw

inland geyser
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I've only used pulsar + slab

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or 4p pulsar

drifting quest
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idea is bone gives ult gain on chest
has some will and int on some pieces

trim salmon
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i have a question about essence. are there different gold essence? why am i getting lower max level for yvonne weapon essence while laev weapon has 9 and 9

drifting quest
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so it lines up with some rot but like

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idg why they dont just off piece ult gain

trim salmon
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does max level matter?

drifting quest
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until i check math

drifting quest
frigid vector
trim salmon
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ah

trim salmon
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so i need weapon at max to get
9
9
3
?

frigid vector
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ya

drifting quest
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80/90 works

dusk isle
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80/90 unlocks max pips
With 663 essence you get 994 weapon

inland geyser
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you need max tune to get it not max level, big difference

trim salmon
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so just max cap at 90, but i can still leave it at 80?

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80/90?

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rgr, thanks

daring dove
# drifting quest 80/90 works

This but to be fair, if it's a damage dealers main weapon just 90/90 it. there's no reason to mess around scrimping resources on Base ATK.

trim salmon
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if i have the resource, i would do this

drifting quest
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if you're poor its fine to sit 80/90

trim salmon
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but from what i know, the game is gatekeeping us pretty hard

drifting quest
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HOLY

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THE DAILY ROTATION LOOPS

trim salmon
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and all resource already went to laev team, so i poor now

dry kindle
daring dove
drifting quest
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WE ARE BACK TO MONAIHE ASPIRANT QUENCHER

trim salmon
covert sequoia
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perlica dps is so funny PerliStare

drifting quest
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surely this is not a coincidence

dry kindle
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i dont have shit for stanza

chilly bolt
drifting quest
chilly bolt
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oh well

drifting quest
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i use it just for random ass calcs

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Weekly Rotation 6* 5* Date
1 Grand Vision Wild Wanderer Jan 22nd
2 Oblivion OBJ Edge of Lightness Jan 29th
3 Valiant OBJ Velocitous Feb 5th
4 Clannibal OBJ Arts Identifier Feb 12th
5 Detonation Unit 12 Questions Feb 19th
6 Former Finery Finchaser 3.0 Feb 26th
7 Eminent Repute OBJ Razorhorn March 5th
8 March 12th
9 March 19th
10 March 26th
11 April 2nd
12 April 9th
13 April 16th
14 April 23rd
15 April 30th

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Daily Rotation 5* 5* 4*
1 Monaihe Aspirant Quencher
2 Chimeric Justice Aspirant Howling Guard

? Freedom to Proselytize OBJ Edge of Lightness Industry 0.1
Seeker of Dark Lung Rational Farewell Howling Guard
Fortmaker Opus the Living Pathfinders Beacon
Ancient Canal 12 Questions Hypernova Auto

? Wild Wanderer Finchaser 3.0 Quencher
Stanza of Memorials OBJ Velocitous Aggeloslayer
Sundering Steel OBJ Heavy Burden Fluorescent Roc
OBJ Velocitous Finchaser 3.0 Contingent Measure
Stanza of Memorials Finishing Call Industry 1.0
Fortmaker OBJ Razorhorn Howling Guard
Seeker of Dark Lung Cohesive Traction Aggeloslayer
Sundering Steel Freedom to Proselytze Hypernova Auto
Monaihe Ancient Canal Wave Tide

daring dove
drifting quest
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peak formatting

trim salmon
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have we got any news or leaks about arknights og operator coming?

drifting quest
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leaks no

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datamines into speculation yes

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or well

trim salmon
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what are they?

drifting quest
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for reconveners no

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nothing

trim salmon
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oh well

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pls rosmontis copy come home RosHi

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what about skins? also no?

drifting quest
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absolutely nothing

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especially considering during a dev blog iirc they said they dont want to do skins

trim salmon
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they dont want skins???

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arknights og are selling them like fresh bread lol

dawn patrol
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do we have an idea what rossi is gonna be like

chilly bolt
drifting quest
chilly bolt
drifting quest
rare zodiac
trim salmon
covert sequoia
trim salmon
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but true it would be a pain to do so

dawn patrol
inland geyser
drifting quest
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Rossi Sig Weapon Essence in the 1.0 Files is ||AGI/CRIT/FRACTURE|| but that could change.

This would imply she is ||probably some sort of striker, if we take Yvonne as a precedent. But it actually means nothing because Fracture skill line just means it's effect is proc'd on crit. She could be any class still. We are just guessing she is probably some sort of crit carry akin to Yvonne.||

inland geyser
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do the weapon skill prefix even have a meaning

drifting quest
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again it basically means nothing

trim salmon
drifting quest
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yes

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the prefix dictates how they work

dawn patrol
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2nd heat striker would be kinda nutty

trim salmon
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based from that one cutscene

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or could be something like camellya or carlotta

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idk, or could be like lupa, signature weapon is a claymore but she only uses it for plunge atk, the rest with her polearm lmao

inland geyser
warped sinew
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my highest single hit with ember so far, cant wait till i finnaly get sundered prince

drifting quest
# inland geyser do the weapon skill prefix even have a meaning

Brutality - On Vulnerability consumption/application
Combatitive - On Physical Status application
Crusher - On Final Strike
Detonate - Weird one. 2 are on Arts Burst, 1 is on Cryo Infliction, 1 is on Infliction Consumption.
Efficacy - Debuffs (Protected, Knocked Down/Weakened, Susceptibility)
Flow - On SP generation
Fracture - On Crit
Infliction - Apply/Consume different reactions/inflictions
Inspiring - Arts Intensity stat stick
Medicant - HP Treatment
Pursuit - Combo Skill Applies [Reaction/Status/Burst]
Suppression - Different Skill Cast/Hit/Applications
Twilight - On Ultimate cast

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should be the full list

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minus the 3* weapon ones

inland geyser
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cool

trim salmon
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still having high hopes from playing ark og

inland geyser
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I hope they just don't release skins

trim salmon
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plenty of good skins even if they are 2Ds

drifting quest
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gross

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cant even report it

trim salmon
inland geyser
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most modern ak skins are whatever quality wise, I'm doubting until they do something good

sour kestrel
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is there a better sword for Endmin than Grand Vision?

inland geyser
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no

sour kestrel
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no to me?

inland geyser
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yes

sour kestrel
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ok

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thanks

trim salmon
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sure they could do something about the skins, maybe like how they monetize skins

they did propose a different gacha system, something new unlike other previous gacha games

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so we'll see

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if they do decide to go down skins route, good. if not, that's okay

inland geyser
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how it'll happen: paid skins because that's how mhy does it

drifting quest
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are we still ignoring they said they dont want to do skins

trim salmon
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true, or they could do worse. like how girls frontline 2 now have skins gacha system

thick mortar
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chen best essence?

inland geyser
drifting quest
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the one that's 3/3 for her weapon

inland geyser
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see how that turned out

drifting quest
trim salmon
inland geyser
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so many things that aren't a good idea are in this game just because they're copying the modern gacha formula

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🛌

trim salmon
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it's just a matter of when and how much will it cost

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they've made tons of money at launch. surely they wanted more

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don't believe me, screenshot what i said and we'll come back in a year from now

drifting quest
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skins are just valuable dev time they wont want to split at this time to go back on something they said so recently

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sure maybe it changes in a year, two years, more

inland geyser
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it also doesn't help that ak models and textures are, kinda insanely detailed

drifting quest
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but its a pointless conversation atp

inland geyser
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so that's a lot of investment

trim salmon
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exactly why i said come back in a year. even if they said they won't do skins. i don't believe them

drifting quest
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base AK can make so many skins because the artists are externally hired freelancers

inland geyser
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usually gacha models are much lower quality, even the best ones

drifting quest
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and because it's 2d not 3d

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endfield models are in house

trim salmon
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too bad lots of people just g00n every bit of skin they see now

drifting quest
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genshin, hsr, wuwa and zzz skins are mostly poorly recieved on average so I wouldn't be shocked if they dont bother ever

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the cheap skins are bad quality, the good quality skins are too expensive

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see wuwa and its what $30 skins

trim salmon
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like i said, they make skins, good. they don't, also good. it's just a matter of waiting game

inland geyser
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ak skins would probably be even more expensive with how high quality endfield models are compared to the competitions lol

trim salmon
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and origeometry has to go somewhere, either people convert it to pulls (very not worth it). or they wait it out for skins

inland geyser
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so

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always paid

sour kestrel
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is this good armor for chen

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I went with crit rate but idk if it's good or not

drifting quest
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can swap to a second swordmancer flint

sour kestrel
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?

drifting quest
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oh its the cr mask not the stagger% one

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even more reason

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get a second flint on there

sour kestrel
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better?

drifting quest
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yeah

sour kestrel
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awesome thanks

covert sequoia
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uhm this enemy have low eletric res?

valid zealot
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No. You strong you good.

covert sequoia
hoary anchor
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could it be possible that we get red tier materials later on considering we only have yellow tier in Wuling so far? Meaning the level cap could be raised?

valid zealot
signal sundial
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blud rolls up with 9+ buffs worth of arts damage and electric damage and asks if the boss has low electric res PerliWheeze

covert sequoia
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could be better

oblique frost
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Don’t whale/dolphin on standard banner it’s suboptimal

covert sequoia
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i need her p5 now, i want this ult to always crit

daring dove
# oblique frost Don’t whale/dolphin on standard banner it’s suboptimal

Kinda not in the long run, since once you get them all P5 you can start converting their tokens into signature 6* weapons. Plus it's early game where resources are the most tight. But yeah I'm only 4 potentials away from having everyone maxed. Which means standard banner isn't worth it for me now.

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Since I'm going into it with a 60% chance of just getting a weapon token.

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I do really want Embers P5 granted, but not enough to go into a banner with only 20% odds of winning.

feral fractal
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how much have you spent

daring dove
# feral fractal how much have you spent

Not that much considering, likely around 2k but there are whales who have spent a lot more who have less overall potentials that me. It's just I was really lucky I still haven't pulled a single useless dupe past P5 on a 6* operator yet.

outer ermine
signal sundial
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they know PerliWheeze

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this one too

daring dove
# feral fractal i expected higher

Yeah my account is just incredibly lucky when it comes to pulling potentials to be honest. I'm literally missing a few Pog potentials & 1 Ember potential then everyone single operator is maxed.

rigid yew
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might be for endfield idk, im copping hard PerliCopium

drifting quest
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the collab that never was

daring dove
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To be honest the more I think about the resource issues in this game the more I think it's quite easy to fix.

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For example they could simply allow us to buy 200k in T-Creds weekly from Valley 4 stock exchange.

drifting quest
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there are only resource issues if you cause them

trim salmon
next helm
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Is that the perlica build?

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yvonne items -> perlica? 105_ICANT

drifting quest
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unknown if its optimal

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or well

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same set

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different pieces

rigid yew
# drifting quest the collab that never was

think about the possibility, introducing "pet" system, custom character from the event, gear cosmetics farm from coop raid or dungeon and since destiny 2 is also about traveling to a lot of planets or galaxy, endfield is perfect for that

drifting quest
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it got cancelled

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years ago

frigid vector
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only problem is stage 2

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where it's not just aggression it's movement

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having those bastards line up is such a pain in the asss

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banging head agains the wall like I'm in some asylum with restarts to get things to align just ain't it

signal sundial
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actually for that question i genuinely said i have no problems w it

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sure getting them to line up is optimal but you also dont need to do that to be able to clear

frigid vector
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well yeah

drifting quest
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this is speedrun context

frigid vector
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but if the metric is just "clearing", endgame becomes a bit pointless

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like ok I can clear easily

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what do I do with the character I spend $100-300 on

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optimising and getting better clears, improving at how I play the team

signal sundial
frigid vector
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that's the end goal

signal sundial
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i mean that's fair

frigid vector
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if the game had some kind of scoring system (e.g. zzz DA) then that could be the way to push things, but as it stands speedrunning is the only thing we can do PepeHands

next helm
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zzz system without zzz balance

signal sundial
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oh that i agree with you

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i wish our medals showed the clear time on the trim

drifting quest
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yeah i dont want endgame to become as bad as hoyo or wuwa's

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but harder would be neat

next helm
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I wouldn't mind more battles like battle 2

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but this one is literally unplayable for some teams

glad roost
dawn patrol
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laev wasting her entire ult

next helm
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I did that like 1.5 hour

signal sundial
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i think if they were programmed to never simultaneously charge you it might be more fair idk

next helm
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Swapped to lvl 60 phys team

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rank 1 skills

signal sundial
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but then it's pretty trivial to clear i think

next helm
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first try

drifting quest
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i like that the stages are unique

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i hope the trend continues

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really separates the game from the others in the genre

frigid vector
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it's not just

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"recycled boss/enemy but with a different buff/restriction"

dry kindle
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ok but

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cc when

frigid vector
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it's the whole stage setup that differs

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ballista and axe is pretty genius ngl

dry kindle
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give us max risk cc mald already

rigid rover
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And yet there are CC who are calling this umbral " too difficult for 1.0" xD

drifting quest
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mainstream cc will say whatever farms the most views

green acorn
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it's hard for any encounter to be too difficult given the 10 minute timer, especially as the only "challenge" can be entirely nullified with a level 20 Snowshine/Catcher 😅

next helm
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It might seem too hard if you don't know

rigid rover
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i dont even know if he is mainstream

frosty crescent
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Is it worth to get p1 yvonne for energy

next helm
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If I didn't see that catcher/snowshine just trivialize their stuff

drifting quest
next helm
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I wouldn't have known these are very easy to CC

rigid rover
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and his excuse is that if he has to time his skills for the burst window during stagger for the 3rd floor crab its too difficult xD

frosty crescent
rigid rover
next helm
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teammate that applies cryo in the future will do that too

rigid rover
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1 energy problem doesnt happen if youre playing to burst after setup in normal cycle even

gilded garnet
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how many pulls do i need to secure a weapon from weapon banner

rigid rover
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but thats like max pity

next helm
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Without other sources its like once every 2x 120 pulls

rigid rover
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ive never gone past 30

next helm
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wow lucky

rigid rover
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laev was 1 pity

rigid rover
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gilberta was 30 pity but i got 2 more 6 star before that

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so 3 6 star in 30

signal sundial
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when 1 dies the other should get like +2000% attack and 300% hp regen

rigid rover
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and for yvonne i got 2 6 star in 30

next helm
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I just expect every character/weapon to be at max

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120x / 8x

frigid vector
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how fickle lady luck must be

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😔

next helm
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The game could use some new enemy designs

signal sundial
rigid rover
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yeah ive not had this kinda luck in any other gacha either

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im surprised just as much

signal sundial
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nah i kid

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i have really good luck in arknights

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except for like 2 operators

rigid rover
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it took me 150 pulls including free ones across 3 banners for P0 on all 3

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but yeah that also means i dont have standard characters

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P1 lifeng and P0 Ember

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thats all

next helm
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The only thing I would not want to see

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Is something like Dusks event

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That dragon that deletes the whole map if you have 1 color wrong PepeLa

peak void
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i kinda wanna see that

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maybe itll the game more challenging

wanton notch
jade crystal
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z7 team has 5 member

what's the best team? all in 1 except catcher?

wanton notch
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Funniest stuff, it's looks like Catcher have easier time to cancel PerliWheeze

gilded garnet
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thanks

summer flower
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I have seen ember cancel that was removing one of basic attacks before final strike

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But I wasn't able to do it

worn loom
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how much damage should enhance basic be doing?

next helm
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another one?

worn loom
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i think they got honeypot'd

lost raft
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has anyone tried a Set-Less 4-piece Energy Recharge on Pog? Does it work?

drifting quest
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overcaps on ER, reduces buffing value

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there are technically lines with more er, but exactly how much you chase is something i dont know off the top of my head

gritty olive
worn loom
gritty olive
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i have this for enhanced skill with 4 magma and a little corrosion

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thats prob incorrect so let me tweak it

next helm
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BP boxes 14x

580 oro
47.5k tcreds
4 big exp
45 exp
27 wexp
22 protohedron

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This is 14x f2p paid and 10 euro bp

lost raft
drifting quest
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You stack Arts Intensity, typically

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Which buffs his breach

lost raft
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the one consuming Vuls is Panda

drifting quest
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If you're combo only (which is not good, relative to other builds, fwiw) then frontiers is typically opted for

lost raft
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and the only one consuming vuls in the team is panda's combo

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which is the only way to trigger pogs combo

drifting quest
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right you're not breaching at all

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you're on your own atp

lost raft
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xDD

drifting quest
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it's a bad rotation so it's going to be pure feelscraft

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er breakpoints will differ

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no value from intensity

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no value from damage

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you can probably just stack ult gain atp but like

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just play breach pog

chilly bolt
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what does this mean

drifting quest
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whats the original

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without MTL

lost raft
chilly bolt
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it's in the dmg sheet

proud vector
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PerliStareYou Shuo returrrrns

next helm
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Its when they transcend their dental hygiene

drifting quest
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iana's sheet is pinned

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has a lot of good info for physical in general

worn loom
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2:24 clear with bad dodging/rotation, but with full int stacking laev

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no clue how this performs vs a basic hotwork build

drifting quest
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shimo?

next helm
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992 int laev

gritty olive
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btw

chilly bolt
#

there are more than 1 sheet? PerliStareYou

drifting quest
#

there's the original shimo one and sten's english one

gritty olive
#

since laev ebs does combustion

chilly bolt
#

oh yes the sten one

gritty olive
#

would the final attack deal more damage via dmg bonus due to HW

drifting quest
#

it could be anything

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aether res?

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let me check shimo

dry kindle
worn loom
chilly bolt
#

hmm could be aether res yeah

daring dove
#

Btw, what's peoples takes on this weapon it seems pretty good to me but I don't see it discussed much?

worn loom
chilly raft
#

Imagine calculating 12 dif buffs

valid zealot
#

Endmin get GV for .99

drifting quest
#

thats about it

daring dove
chilly raft
valid zealot
#

They do but GV is less a dollar.

daring dove
#

Although I guess this is P5

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I might end up better than Endmin's weapon if you had say a very strong Lifeng.

drifting quest
#

if you're a whale and have mb lifeng + potentials on him, have a higher pot repute and a lower pot gv it becomes an option yes

next helm
#

They have everything maxed so doesn't matter

worn loom
#

oh man its 8% more damage per mastery it seems, big mistake not upgrading

gritty olive
worn loom
#

btw does basic attack level matter for ult enhance basic damage?

daring dove
daring dove
#

So not really, depends how much time you spend out of your ult.

valid zealot
#

For Lae no.

worn loom
#

maybe if super min-maxing ig it matters since youre out of ult 66% of the time

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yeah probs not worth the investment over just getting more units up

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that said im gonna max out her ult and skill i guess

gritty olive
#

i have basics constituing like 30% dmg

daring dove
chilly bolt
#

i have same question too is it better to M3 basic or combo if im gonna M9 laevatin

gritty olive
#

20 ish rayther

gritty olive
#

10s -> 9s be peak fr

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i still havent seen something that abuses that, so im gonna hold off personally

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i did m9 with combo for her

unreal light
#

How often do ai teammates autoattack?

They freaking do the same amount of damage on basic attacks, as if I was playing the character

worn loom
#

im still put to wonder if this int stacking is actually better than just hotwork or ult recharge

gritty olive
#

Since most of the damage would be banked during ult and when she skills since you abuse the 110 skill dmg ChenLeak

daring dove
#

Also for a site with so much detail & well formatted information why is this absurd tier list still a thing. E_PoliwhirlConcern

gritty olive
#

Double slab forces you to always hit enemies to utilize more attack

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But at hgiher pot, charge set wins

gritty olive
#

At 5+0 or 4+4

oak vigil
#

What is Perlica with Wulfgrad even doing in T2

unreal light
chilly bolt
valid zealot
unreal light
#

Thank you VitDaiNhan

valid zealot
#

Nothing hornymonster.

daring dove
worn loom
oak vigil
worn loom
#

like wouldnt having 7k attack be more consistent?

gritty olive
worn loom
drifting quest
unreal light
proud vector
#

Hmm…

This may be senseless feelscrafting… but it’s somewhat interesting to think about

For the standard LR rotation we go with Xaihi BS LR BS LR BS as the blocks to build to a 3 stack LR combo skill (very shortened notation with the usual stuff like Xaihi CS excluded)

This is roughly a 240 SP cost half-rotation

PerliStare theoretically, and don’t immediately bash me for this, we add in Flourite. This uses 3 ‘half rotations’ consisting of

LR BS > LR BS > Flourite CS > LR CS
Xaihi BS > LR BS > LR BS > LR CS
LR BS > LR BS > Flourite ULT > LR CS

This would reduce the SP per ‘half rotation’ down to an average of 173.333 SP, 28% less SP.

Is this a noticeably faster rotation? Is this worth considering further?

chilly bolt
#

i mean that's the entire point of flourite

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an infliction bot

unreal light
#

She does damage

proud vector
#

The consensus seems to shun her tbf

unreal light
proud vector
#

And used like this, she would need an achievable but crippling ~100% ult gen

unreal light
#

The notorious guiders haven’t even read a kit of some characters to begin with

chilly bolt
#

you basically trade dmg for smoothness

proud vector
#

Speed and smoothness

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Yeah

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Speed is a damage buff in its own right

oak vigil
#

Tbh as far as my testing goes, Fluorite is an arts infliction (for arts reactions triggers) set-upper and an actually viable DPS if focused on her

#

Slowness is just… there to buff herself lol

unreal light
proud vector
#

Aye

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The rotation is viable as far as I can tell from an energy generation standpoint except maybe the Xaihi not being able to ult until the third step

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While retaining the int stack we have now

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But from what I can tell, LR can go faster since she isn’t constrained by her combo skill cooldown as much as she is by SP

worn loom
chilly bolt
#

i can go test rn if you need to compare the dmg of 4 stacks with flourite vs 3 stacks with perlica

worn loom
#

is it behind enough for me to regear, also no lol

proud vector
#

Oh I’m not using her to go 4 stack tbh

daring dove
oak vigil
#

longer than Antal’s combo cooldown too btw loool

proud vector
#

I’m using her to reduce the SP burn on Xaihi to fuel CS more efficiently

chilly bolt
proud vector
#

The damage should be lower by all accounts since we would be down a buffer

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But it should yield more combo attacks more often

chilly bolt
#

then uh

#

perhaps akekuri is better

proud vector
#

It’s hard to test yeah haha

#

Hmm, not really

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Skipping a single Xaihi BS is like returning 100 sp

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PerliDerp Flourite is basically providing 200sp worth of returned SP vs Akekuri’s real SP gain of like what 100?

#

It’s much much rougher on the ultimate energy generation, but it’s simply more when the goal is to shave time off the rotation

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Thankfully LR’s energy mechanics are wacky so she should ult quicker lmao

chilly bolt
#

lemme grab blue gears for flourite

drifting quest
#

it only saves time if the buff you would otherwise have in that slot is irrelevant

#

which it is not right now

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for the sub 10s runs

proud vector
#

Yeah that check out

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I’m personally an owner of a p0 khravless LR

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So this becomes a ton more significant since I can’t come close to 1 cycle lol

#

Just wanted to double check my reasoning is sound before perusing the calculations further into spreadsheeting and timelining that is all

drifting quest
#

for average clears its event less of a benefit because it only speeds up every other rotation at best, sometimes every third rotation.
and then your buffs can misalign at times so you dont even end up going faster

proud vector
#

Hmm, yes thought of that. I need to see if it is possible to align things such that I can catch 2x CS and an ult in the 15 second window of a Xaihi ult

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Theoretically… it’ll be close

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That’s why I pinged a lot earlier on how Xaihi ult buff works in terms of snapshotting haha

wanton notch
proud vector
#

Well since the only points against seems to be the possibility of desync and fight specific issues

valid zealot
#

Still not sub 1 min so washed smh.

proud vector
#

Worth at least spreadsheeting to see the maths

#

If it really is just a 28% speed increase, it should be interesting to see at least haha

#

PerliDerp please just release thermite cutter but for guns I beg of thee hyperglyph

wanton notch
proud vector
#

Ah nvm Xaihi ult lasts 12 seconds

#

Now that’s an oofie ouchie, still possible but tight af

wanton notch
#

FCKKK

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I fcked up so many cancels

#

I wanna die irl

valid zealot
#

Don't kill urself.

#

Life still good.

chilly bolt
wanton notch
valid zealot
#

Chill man those dawg might go extinct.

proud vector
#

Damn if anything

#

This game has awesome camerawork

chilly bolt
#

kinda funny the dmg is the same

proud vector
#

Catcher parry is cinematic af

wanton notch
glass birch
valid zealot
#

Where is it.

chilly bolt
proud vector
chilly bolt
#

stanza buff is huge

glass birch
#

I didn't notice it was 4 stack vs. 3 stack

wanton notch
daring dove
#

This has to be the worst weapon banner every created. 091_Run

#

Let me fix it a bit.

proud vector
chilly bolt
#

looking from the bar it about the same

proud vector
#

Much too little to ever use Flourite just for 4th infliction I reckon

#

She is just worse

#

The highest increase to dps I can theoretically get out of that damn girl is with speedier rot PerliDerp

glass birch
proud vector
#

And that like tapdances hard on Xaihi’s toes

daring dove
chilly bolt
proud vector
#

The initial freeze and stuff yeah

#

LR combo skill is multi hit which is funny af

chilly bolt
#

290k with perli

#

280k with flourite

proud vector
#

PerliDerp I need a single extra Xaihi so bad maaaaan

#

8 pulls is a bit too expensive though argh

neat snow
glass birch
#

3sChiakiHmm
Perlica; 35.5k, 11.9k(?), 234k
Fluorite; 32.4k, 248k

chilly bolt
#

that 11.9k is arts burst from xaihi btw

proud vector
#

Ack deto unit

glass birch
proud vector
#

PerliDerp why you little

silk wind
daring dove
glass birch
#

The total difference is like 6~10%

chilly bolt
#

where tf did that come from

glass birch
proud vector
#

Isn’t it combo skill ice shards

glass birch
#

Xaihi basic?

glass birch
#

Or the 200~ hit

#

One of the 2 hits is boosted based on cryo inflict. Its a 2 hit combo skill

proud vector
#

Guess it gets bundles together at the end with the slash

daring dove
rich widget
#

thunderberge aint bad on an ult/shield build for ember

chilly bolt
#

gotta do another one

rich widget
#

the others have a place too, its just a slightly more niche direction to go given people dont like how not straight forward ember is

drifting quest
#

yeah but it requires using ember and ult/shield ember

#

a good weapon for a bad utility would still be probably a bad weapon

daring dove
rich widget
#

would never build full sustain ember

#

but she works as a support

proud vector
#

Who knows, with 6* guardians existing maybe an offensive gear set for them will come out

#

Like massive buffs if hit

chilly bolt
proud vector
#

Bahzerkah mode

chilly bolt
#

weirdge

daring dove
# rich widget but she works as a support

She works better as a support with a bit of damage dealing with Sundred Prince from what I have seen. Especially with how much stagger she can pump out Sundred prince seems way better than sig.

rich widget
#

i mean, its really alla bout team comp

#

i have her with prince

potent hornet
#

pretty

rich widget
#

as my main

#

but ive played around with erh in support and she works well in that role too, you just gotta make good use of her protection

proud vector
#

PerliWheeze god, all I need is for one single goddamn detonate unit for gun, god do you hear me?!

valid zealot
proud vector
#

Tangtang save me

daring dove
#

Got it today while trying to grab a copy of Yvonne's weapon.

rich widget
#

yes, we know youre a whale, lol

#

dont need to keep bringing it up

proud vector
#

P5 looks pretty

#

PerliWheeze real funny how this isn’t her sig

#

Even though it really is

daring dove
#

Especially when you consider you need to really control Ember yourself to get the most out of her regardless.

#

Since her entire kit revolves around getting hit.

summer flower
#

For heal/shield I don't think you need to control her

daring dove
summer flower
#

Yea, knowing how much ember heals when on DPS build

#

Should be even more doable not having controlled on shield/treatment build

daring dove
#

Sure your operators will take hits regardless in battle, but it's far more consistent to control Ember an get hit when you need to & dodge when you don't.

summer flower
#

I disagree on that

daring dove
#

I mean I'm not sure what's to diagree about the enemys usually target the controlled operator.

summer flower
#

No, I'm disagreeing on healing amount and controlled operator being ember as much important

#

Unless you got sundered prince

chilly raft
#

Every play main range and 3 sub melee ?

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If you are too lazy to dodge

summer flower
#

Without having impact like playing ranged operator

#

Which would change situation drastically when carry Is ranged

daring dove
rich widget
#

yeah, ember works extremely well without being the controlled operator

daring dove
#

But I doubt it.

rich widget
#

since she effectively steps in front of you every time you use her abilities

deep topaz
summer flower
#

Controlled

#

Not ember

daring dove
#

Ah my bad then.

oak vigil
# summer flower

I am curious, does it trigger on main operators which use counter? (Catcher/Snowshine)

chilly raft
#

Dodge give regen
I still prefer close range

daring dove
#

Still, not sure for most operators you'd want to take a hit, but then I guess that plays into the sustain angle.

oak vigil
#

iirc they still do take damage but heavily decreased

#

can’t test that because I don’t have Ember!!!!

summer flower
#

Even if that is not triggered on purpose

chilly raft
#

Also AI of close range kinda stupid
They won't atk sometimes

next helm
#

Got the trimmed medal on fatguy

summer flower
#

It's good sustain when it does happen

next helm
#

Had to restart my game for my 5 minutes of no lag

deep topaz
summer flower
#

It's lost time

drifting quest
#

dodging is just really strong

#

yvonne has had a decent amount of optimization since her banner came out and more players got her, as you would expect

#

but her kit issues still exist

summer flower
#

Time spent dodging is time not attacking

chilly raft
#

Be able to Spam skill is really something

drifting quest
#

yeah

daring dove
# summer flower You going of assumption of no hit run?

No, just that Ember has the ability to take hits without getting staggered. So it's less disruptive to take hits on her. That said not all enemy hits stagger you anyway. An sometimes you just fail to dodge. The point is it's less controlled.

drifting quest
#

there's (non speedrun) clears on like rhodagn that can use his aoes as sp batteries

summer flower
#

Everytime hit it stops her movements

#

Floats mid air xD

#

Played both controlled and not controlled ember

daring dove
#

That's kinda funny not seen it though.

deep topaz
rich widget
summer flower
#

Depends on team

rich widget
#

and trigger her combo

rich widget
#

yeah

#

i main ember

chilly raft
rich widget
#

and regularly switch between her and perlica

#

as controlled

summer flower
#

I main ember and I'm sure it's not like that

daring dove
#

I think Ember is the only operator that it makes sense to take hits on to be honest. Considering she gains a lot of ATK from them as well.

rich widget
#

ember still forcibly takes hits when you use her abilities

drifting quest
#

you still generally want to dodge on ember

#

there are exceptions

summer flower
#

Ohh you mean BS?

rich widget
#

since as i say, she teleports rght inf ront of you

#

no i mean combo

#

you can get attacked, dodge it, then use embers combo skill

#

you dont actually need to take the damage

#

to trigger the combo

daring dove
#

Her Sig you kind of don't want to control her otherwise she just ends up constantly shielding herself I guess? Which if you just want to make an unkillable character like Qiqi in Genshin go for it I guess? 108_yaehmm

summer flower
#

Did they changed that? I swear you had to get hit not dodge it

rich widget
#

im doing it right now lol

summer flower
#

Show it

rich widget
#

just do it yourself, lol, im not going to go to the effort of recording stuff

#

dont need anyone to believe me, lol

oak vigil
#

Tbh Ember would have been fine as the character if she had actual hyper armor maybe like starting from her 2nd click string

#

Or skill

#

no no, on skill would work better

summer flower
#

She got 50% protection and anti stagger on combo skill

#

Anti stagger on BS

rich widget
#

70% with potential 1

summer flower
#

Plus deals more stagger with BS if hit mid doing it

oak vigil
#

Is it only chance based??? Does it even max out at more potentials?

rich widget
#

kind of why i built my team around her battle skill, because not using it kinda defeats the point in controlling her

summer flower
#

It's DMG reduction not chance for DMG reduction

oak vigil
#

No I meant anti-stagger when getting hit

valid zealot
#

No.

daring dove
#

As soon as ember does her 3rd swing you're supposed to dodge out then do her final strike no?

rich widget
#

every time you use either skill, you get 70% damage protection which can linger beyond activation once you potential 1 her

summer flower
#

Combo is dependent on stagger done I think

valid zealot
#

Some hit is more "stagger" than others.

valid zealot
#

Like bosses big hit.

summer flower
#

I think BS is immunity for stagger

#

But didn't check against such attacks

rich widget
#

its not complete immunity

#

just for most

summer flower
#

I would assume strongest staggers will stop combo, and will not stop BS

rich widget
#

some big hits can still interrupt

deep topaz
summer flower
#

Tbh, I didn't intentionally fish for research BS on big stagger hits

rich widget
#

ive had her BS interrupted

#

so i know for sure

#

since its the main skill of my comp and i spam it alot

#

ember, perlica, endmin, ardelia

oak vigil
rich widget
#

perlicas battle skill doesnt really get used and both ardelia and endmin only use theirs to synergize off one another

#

consuming corruption or consuming vulnerbale stacks just before a last hit to trigger ardelais combo again

oak vigil
#

or Ardelia’s ult and then Perlica’s bs

#

(since faster casting from Ardelia with her ult)

rich widget
#

ardelia cant apply nature infliction

#

jsut straight up corrosion

#

hence i dont use perlicas abttle skill really

rich widget
#

shes primarily there as damage dealer with ult

#

and to enhance ember battle skill with electrification

pure spoke
#

Too much chenning

#

I prefer ch'enning

summer flower
#

Ohh

#

I'm gonna be doing embering later

pure spoke
#

But tang tang when

summer flower
#

Dunno if today

#

Or on weekend

rich widget
#

electrification+corrosion+arts susceptible+physical susceptible makes ember a happy gal

valid zealot
#

I'm etching it so hard too much gels coming out.

oak vigil
rich widget
#

ima ctually tempted to make a battleskill crit build for ember once im done with her stagger route

oak vigil
#

My bad lol

summer flower
#

Swordmancer ember?

pure spoke
#

I did bs crit pog and its highkey ass

summer flower
#

Shh... Or you'll wake up pa*** fans

pure spoke
#

But he can proc the gear set quite a lot

#

Pa what

daring dove
#

Just checked out some dude's Chen on my friends list. 091_Run

#

Check out that weapon.

rich widget
#

...

summer flower
daring dove
#

Thermite Cutter Chen meta when. Klee_Derp

rich widget
#

i dont understand that one bit

pure spoke
#

Support chen

rich widget
#

id understand maybe, at a streetch, if they misunderstood and throught sp return triggered it

#

but chen dont even have any sp return O.o

#

terrible stat matchup

pure spoke
#

Maybe he thinks the last attack of chen gives sp

summer flower
rich widget
#

doesnt even activate thermite

#

hoy

rich widget
#

though even then i think most people would figure that basic attack = not a skill

daring dove
pure spoke
summer flower
#

And wants to do solo Chen?

rich widget
#

lmao

summer flower
#

Yea that would be new account moment

rich widget
#

'durrr, orange always better'

rich widget
#

hahaha

pure spoke
#

Lore accurate chen build

rich widget
#

true chen main

#

real chen mains build thermite

#

canon

rich widget
#

gonna keep my thermite there until i feel like levelling up someone like pogostick

pure spoke
#

I leveled hellagur to lvl 90 yesterday with his never rest sig

#

Now im broke af

#

He has been lvl 80 since day 3

frigid vector
#

ultrawide enjoyer Kneel

daring dove
gritty briar
frigid vector
#

on UW? yes it is Kek

gritty briar
#

have to break neck to look at ult charge and combo skill

frigid vector
#

feels like enemies fall on my literal blindspot

#

when I'm looking at combo skills CD

#

but

#

if I'm tryharding I'm playing on 16:9 so that I can record

#

if not might as well enjoy the beauty of the game

#

although I've been tempted

#

at using stuff like OnTopReplica or something

#

to just grab the bits at the edge and superimpose it over the SP bar

daring dove
frigid vector
#

maybe I'll set it up someday

#

which one is that, odyssey neo?

rich widget
#

im a ux specialist and would never do that to myself, but it is pretty lol

frigid vector
#

I mean if you're doing ux for phone that's almost 21:9 aspect ratio

#

maybe not the 57" ultrawide but

daring dove
frigid vector
#

still something 😔

rich widget
#

not really a phone person beyond arknights

frigid vector
#

since all these games are phone games

#

they gotta have some 21:9 support

#

so it ends up being a boon to the ultrawide crowd

rich widget
#

yeah, makes sense

daring dove
frigid vector
#

pretty much

frigid vector
#

a bit annoying that i have to force myself to use a smaller res but

#

it is what it is

#

maybe one day just as evolved from the square CRTs

rich widget
#

btw

frigid vector
#

ultrawide will take over 😔

#

(it never will but a man can dream)

rich widget
#

have there been any oni in endlight yet?

#

hoshiguma was my waifu and really missing having a one horn oni around

frigid vector
#

no oni characters in endfield yet if that's what you mean, but ofc AK universe got them

daring dove
# frigid vector (it never will but a man can dream)

To be honest I occasionally record the odd thing for YouTube an the ultrawide is definitely an off-putter for people. Not professionally just when I want to shame stuff with people. Was thinking of swapping to this eventually when it's out as a bit more of a middle ground.

#

21:9 instead of 32:9 is a bit more YouTube safe.

frigid vector
#

ye

#

I myself have an old x34p that's taken care of me for a good 5 years at this point

#

and I'm happy with the 21:9 aspect ratio

#

I was contemplating getting one of the ROG Swift in 32" for a nice oled experience but

#

can't justify it when it'd be a side monitor for gaming/content creation at best

#

maybe if one day content becomes anything more than a side job/hobby and oled burn in concerns ease out 😔

daring dove
#

Really nice OLED picture an still 120hz VRR.

frigid vector
#

Hmm yeah all unavailable online so might find a used one for cheap, could at least use it as a TV as well

heady pine
#

Fake screenshot?

signal sundial
#

mines from 2017

daring dove
signal sundial
#

i hate that there are basically no IPS ultrawides now

heady pine
#

Oh lmao

daring dove
#

I wonder how many people actually bought that thing thinking it's a Thermite cutter. A_WheezeTao

foggy birch
#

what's the best gear set for alesh in a yvonne team comp? Actually is alesh good in a yvonne team comp?

frigid vector
#

if you're doing extended rotations rather than 1 ult kills

#

running him without a set and just ult energy gain is ideal

#

exact gear depends on your potential

signal sundial
#

chat i realised why i couldnt clear marble last night

frigid vector
#

so xira gloves + redeemers, then frontiers top and tube assuming you have artificed ult gain at p4

signal sundial
#

😭

frigid vector
#

use a second redeemers if not at p4

signal sundial
#

i put my thermite cutter on arclight, but forgot to put it back

frigid vector
#

and if you're doing 100 ult start speedruns/sub 30s rotations

#

then you can run frontiers and still have enough ult gain if at p4+

drifting quest
#

is alesh ult gain breakpoints covered already for prydwen

#

saves me the time

frigid vector
#

it is on his team sections, I got that written

#

but not on his review as I didn't touch that

drifting quest
#

yeah makes sense then

frigid vector
drifting quest
#

i can move onto whoever is next then

balmy wasp
#

chat, if Im running a leav team, which one would be more optimal in terms of the team, Antal or Akekuri?

Leav Ardelia Wulfguard ________?

foggy birch
drifting quest
#

wulf > ardelia > 5 physical units (although if we get 1.1 news and tangtang is phys Ill prob skip them for now) > laev

#

should be chill

drifting quest
balmy wasp
#

aight akekuri it is

drifting berry
#

out of 1.5 jail, congrats Yvonne

daring dove
chilly bolt
daring dove
#

Yvonne is argubly the character that cares the most about artificing & making essences.

drifting berry
#

It assumers you have Gilberta and that probably why

rich widget
#

crit perlica benefits a fair bit from 70%ing crit for consistent ults

gritty briar
#

30% is 100% if i reset the run every time i fail and pretend the failures didn't happen

drifting quest
rich widget
#

lol

drifting quest
#

but i also built my yvonne for testing

#

anyway

rich widget
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i guess full crit isnt necessary when you have food too... and the attack from crit set only sees full use with good dmg%

daring dove
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But I doubt most people are running around munching food constantly during normal gameplay.

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It's mostly just the speed runners & min-maxers that are using food.

rich widget
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well, yeah

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i barely use it either

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just to make some of the higher end content easier

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but thats the only real content to min max for anyway

daring dove
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I'll be glad when this game goes the Genshin root an just bans food from all harder content so we can go back to considering it a zero factor.

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In all team building.

rich widget
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im not sure honestly

gritty briar
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well agony already bans it

rich widget
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they already amde a whole bucnh of systems that make the food important

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if anything it should be a consistent part of the game and not banned at all

gritty briar
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idc if other people use foods but I never use food buffs cause i just don't wanna build around it or farm it

chilly bolt
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They're gonna ban ardelia next

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Supporters cannot be deployed PerliWheeze

gritty briar
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it would be a huge pain in the ass to do something like, destroy your ult charge stat and compensate with ult tacticals, and then feel like a cripple every time you don't wanna use it

honest hill
rich widget
signal sundial
rich widget
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i feel like you can juwt make everything evaporate in seconds for the most part with a single max level operator

signal sundial
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-50% sp gain
Vanguards cannot be deployed

chilly bolt
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Wait is it E2

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Oh ye

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It is

wanton notch
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And we call this game mode Contingency Contract

signal sundial
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Guards have triple deployment cost
Brings surtr anyway

gritty briar
unreal light
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Does bonus damage affect arts bursts?

gritty briar
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also unequipping the ult tacticals and farming them is just a hassle

unreal light
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Can arts burst crit?

rich widget
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yes