theorycrafting

[daring dove]

Starting to get the hang of this hitting 470k now but I'm sure there's more I can do to optimise.

[tight haven]

you dont actually make full use of this

much of the time

pog's breach is much better to raise with arts int since it comes online much faster in a fight

[wind nebula]

Essentially, Ult Efficiency is for freeform combat, Arts Intensity is for planned rotations

[neon knot]

so running pulsar labs is better?

[tight haven]

always is yes

[neon knot]

okay... i can see that. will try it out

does the breach def shred scale with arts intensity?? or just the damage

[tight haven]

just put ult charge gloves on him

[tight haven]

shred scales

[neon knot]

oh, that makes a lot of sense why that would be his bis

[tight haven]

https://endfield.wiki.gg/wiki/Breach

[neon knot]

so i see they take 20% increase phys damage as base... so with more arts intensity it goes up to like 25-30%?

[gaunt mason]

it's 24% base at 4 stacks

12% at 1 stack

wiki might be outdated

[neon knot]

is this wiki just gaslighting me...

[gaunt mason]

generally it goes up to ~40% ish with pog

[tight haven]

35% with fully artificed pulser labs

not counting fervent morale stacks from pog

[daring dove]

The effect does reside a lot longer based on the number of stacks. Most people say to keep it to 3 stacks though as you simply don't need the effect to linger for more than 24 secs as you'll be refreshing each rotation.

[gaunt mason]

[neon knot]

is this why some people say to run Fort Maker on pog

[tight haven]

if you dont have thermite yeah its a good alternative

[gaunt mason]

yes

[tight haven]

you absolutely prefer thermite currently though

atk% is too valuable

[gaunt mason]

btw if you calculate your own damage you'll find out that wiki is wrong, the damage formula i get from nga has the correct values of 12/16/20/24

[neon knot]

okay, will just stuck to thermite then

[drifting quest]

Fwiw

Fortmaker has some alternate rotations but

Most people will never want them

[neon knot]

i actually dont even have a fortmaker so lmao

[neat snow]

[neon knot]

guess lifeng at 108% ult efficiency is good for this team (endmin, lifeng, pog, chen)

[gaunt mason]

would it be worth it to let people input levels on a damage calc sheet

or should i just force level 90 on everything

[daring dove]

What's a Fortmaker? Is that some pound land version of Themite Cutter.

[drifting quest]

5* sword

has arts intensity and ult gain

fwiw part 2 never rest might become optimal again in 1.1

[gaunt mason]

you only need like 10% to ult once per cycle

[drifting quest]

lmao

[daring dove]

The sarcasm was lost I think.

[neat snow]

[drifting quest]

its basically impossible to present sarcasm in text form

[tight haven]

you can run xira on him if you dont have sig/low pots

at high pots/invest lifeng becomes a competent dps

[neon knot]

yeah... i'll consider building him as dps if i ever get his sig one day, for now im coping with this

[tight haven]

yeah for now that should be fine

[neon knot]

does Pog really need that 20% ult efficiency gain on gloves or would more arts intensity be better?

[daring dove]

Your best bet rather than asking here would be to simply swap them an see if the rotation still feels smooth or if you're lacking energy to be honest.

[chilly bolt]

Normally you want at least 1 ult gain, full intensity can be good in some cases i suppose

[humble matrix]

Arsenal - Perfect. They know 🙏

[summer flower]

Shirley

Memes don't count due to image format

And definetly you cannot insert after sentence sarcasm in ()

[drifting quest]

its just for artzy not the system

same as the past several

[humble matrix]

Bruh 🤣

Yeah makes sense

[daring dove]

I think the Arsenal banners would be a lot better if they just fixed the rate a bit. I'm fine with a 4* drop rate, but why do we then have a 75% chance to loss the weapon to something random.

Ideally I think it should be reorganized to 4* drop rate 33% chance for the desired weapon.

I have legit done about 40 Arsenal pulls for Ardelia weapon dupes an never once won the 75/25% rate odds.

So I still have her weapon P4 after hard pitying it every single time plus getting the first copy for free.

[drifting quest]

i mean frame it differently

its 8 goes for the weapon with a 25% chance to only have to spend half the amount

(on average)

you can argue whether that's a good system or not, certainly

[chilly bolt]

The system is fine

It's the currency income that kinda troublesome

[drifting quest]

i dont have too many issues with the arsenal system, other than maybe a bit more income for it, maybe some non pull source income from etchspace weeklies or something

maybe if future bp weapons are better it becomes an entirely non issue

[daring dove]

I just think the system leaves a little too much room for really bad luck.

[tight haven]

ive had only bad luck with the weapon system personally

all the 6* ive wanted have been guarantees only

[drifting quest]

ive been fucked by the system too

^^

and my off rates are ALL Wedges or WNN

[tight haven]

when i see a 6* its some trash i dont want

[daring dove]

You shouldn't be able to lose the 25/75% odds 12 times in a row.

[drifting quest]

EVERY ONE OF THEM

[tranquil burrow]

it's still much better than other mainstream gacha at least. at least here you can reasonably get a sig every now and then whereas in other places that's a separate cost on top of the char.

[daring dove]

Should be a pity after 3/4 loses.

[drifting quest]

I STILL HAVE NO THERMITE CUTTER

[tight haven]

i have like a personal 6* rate of 5% but 94% of those are garbage lol

[tranquil burrow]

my heart wants bad luck protection too after losing 2 50 50s

id uninstall by the 3rd or 4th

btw lost both times to ember

[drifting quest]

i mean if you lose the next is guarantee (on the same banner)

[tight haven]

omg.

[drifting quest]

4 / 8

ignoring sacking early

in which case you got an early stop complaining

[tranquil burrow]

the system is mathematically much better than hoyo/kuro's yet feels like ass

[edgy crater]

shuo, does xaihi ulti buff calculate from live stat or precast?

[tranquil burrow]

whichever psychologists they hired to squeeze us out didn't do a good job

[tight haven]

i think it feels so bad the same way old jp gachas feel bad

[drifting quest]

how are you modifying int live

[tight haven]

seeing a 6* feels like shit lmao

[daring dove]

For me I have literally pulled 8 Thermite Cutters, 6 of which have come from the Ardelia weapon banner. But never once won the 25/75% odds. Wish I could give you one.

[tight haven]

its a 25% chance of it being what you want

[tranquil burrow]

if i hadn't mathed out the overall rates i legit would've quit by now, probably

[drifting quest]

i would assume it snapshots but i am more curious how you are editing int live in combat

[tight haven]

like i remember playing fuckin uhh

puzzle and dragons

[edgy crater]

swap gear, ulti before enter the battle

[tight haven]

sure the 5* rate is 5% but you actually have a 1/8 chance of that being what you want

[drifting quest]

i mean by all means test and get back to us

[summer flower]

Ohh

[drifting quest]

its an interesting idea

[tranquil burrow]

i still like 25% with a 4% base rate over a 1% base rate with a 75%

[tight haven]

same with gbf

[summer flower]

That's some high level sweats

[drifting quest]

i dont know if its a practical discovery since idt you can swap gear in recrisis

[daring dove]

Yeah they need to up that to like 33% odds, I get that it can't be 50% odds with a 4% pull rate. But 25% odds just leads to situations like the Staff of Homelessness situation in Genshin.

[summer flower]

The what?

[tight haven]

id feel better abt it if arsenal pulls didnt cost so damn much too

[daring dove]

At least there's a hard pity. but having to go to that every time is mad.

[drifting quest]

18k and after all that you get something like artzy

[tight haven]

like dude... theyre legit more expensive than mf op pulls for whales

i have 1500 op pulls now?

but only 700 weapon pulls

[chilly bolt]

I also guaranteed lr sig and laevatin sig, now i have no arsenal left for gil

[tight haven]

and thats with buying every single arsenal pack

[summer flower]

I messed up my arsenal pulls, should have went after box from laev banner

[drifting quest]

thankfully banners last beyond the chars rate up

which is a nice qol thing

[daring dove]

Funny early Genshin lore where some whale spent $2,000 to get a single Staff of Homa for Hu Tao but lost his 50/50 every single time back before there was a pity.

[tight haven]

yeah thank fuck lmao

[summer flower]

But whatever

[drifting quest]

i would have had to skip tangtang sig probably, if it expired with her banner

[tranquil burrow]

i accidentally bought marks instead of pulls so bricked my account today

you going for supreme chief?

[chilly bolt]

The banner is still there tho

[drifting quest]

yes now that rossi is bricked

i can just grab tangtang and bedge

[tight haven]

we know what rossi is?

[gritty briar]

i'd kinda just be fine with arsenal in general if we had more consistent income for it.
Painful to stockpile pulls for operator guarantees cause you'll eventually just be starved on weapons.
Painful to not stockpile pulls cause guarantee doesn't carry over and all that shit.
Never a perfect solution

[summer flower]

14 days 2 pulls to do on banner

[tranquil burrow]

i don't think so

[drifting quest]

her weapon essence was datamined

[chilly bolt]

Bricked

[tight haven]

oh right

[summer flower]

And I don't plan to pull more than 10 more on opwratoe

[tight haven]

i thought we got confirmation

[drifting quest]

it spoils enough for me to be safe in planning to skip her

[chilly bolt]

What's the essence

[tranquil burrow]

you're expecting her to be striker based on crit stat?

[tight haven]

this is how i feel abt it

no matter what it just feels Bad

[drifting quest]

||Agi/Crit/Fracture||

[dry kindle]

Crit

Gg

[tight haven]

ok

BUT

yvonne crit powercreep in 1.1

would be hilarious

[tranquil burrow]

every dps powercreeps every dps by that logic

[chilly bolt]

Nature striker

[tranquil burrow]

who knows

[daring dove]

How do you power creep someone who was never meta.

[tranquil burrow]

but i still cope for heat vanguard

[drifting quest]

impossible to comment on leaks, and disallowed

can only comment on datamines from official files

[tranquil burrow]

inb4 heat striker

now that would be funny

[chilly bolt]

[drifting quest]

the essence which was datamined is obviously STC but it would imply she is going to play at least somewhat adjacent in style to Yvonne

[edgy crater]

w8, dats almost identical to artzy

[tranquil burrow]

just like how every dps plays exactly the same because they all don't build crit

[chilly bolt]

Another brick

Surely we get premium nature support unit

Yvonne would be saved

[frigid vector]

what do we know

[daring dove]

I'm not worried about Laevatain to be honest. She's so far ahead of the other DPS'es in terms of QoL An arguably right up with them in terms of single target damage while being massively superior with AoE. For me she's the only safe carry rn, the rest are on egg shells.

[tranquil burrow]

the 3rd stat's name has no bearing on the actual weapon effect so not really.

i use laev for content and yvonne for roaming around

i can't even build a 2nd team

im broke

[drifting quest]

her (and tangtang's) sig essence lines

at least as they exist in the game files right now

could change

[edgy crater]

yeah i know the effect will be different, but essence wise, they are almost identical

fracturing crit with each main attribute

[tranquil burrow]

rossi recovers sp based on critting, surely

im sinking with heat vanguard

[chilly bolt]

Copium

[daring dove]

We'll see I think they'll stay away from buffing Heat or Ice for a while. An just do the old boring nonsense & build every single element up first.

Meaning we're likely getting PHY / Nature / Lightening operators first.

[tranquil burrow]

as long as the character itself plays interestingly enough i'm good

i like yvonne's pewpew

elements are just vfx flavor

and shill agenda usecase i guess

[daring dove]

Yvonne has some potential to end up in a nature team with future better operators to be honest. Gilberta's already a great conerstone.

[tranquil burrow]

her passives support cryo more than nature

[daring dove]

Another great Nature unit that plays nice with Yvonne may end up placing her in Nature.

[daring dove]

From what I have seen from her kit so far there's nothing really stopping her from functioning in a similar / better capacity in Nature to be honest. She's just selfish an needs inflict stacks.

[tranquil burrow]

her crit dmg buff on that one passive only works on cryo infliction iirc

but eh

[daring dove]

If you got a nature DPS that didn't care about nature inflictions, or another great nature support that applies a lot of stacks she'll end up there.

I think she'll still apply a Cryo infliction when she goes to ult but to be honest I'm not Yvonne expert I haven't even played her yet.

Still gotta build her.

[chilly bolt]

Literally all Yvonne need is someone like flourite but good

[tranquil burrow]

so a limited ice caster?

won't save her from bosses like triangle

[daring dove]

Nature works just the same as ice for Yvonne doesn't have to be ice at all.

LR is tied to an Ice team Yvonne is good in both Nature or Ice, well assuming she doesn't have anti synergy with future nature units.

If we get a nature DPS that wants a million nature stacks Yvonne won't make the cut.

[tranquil burrow]

they play very differently and the actual game is the furthest thing from a spreadsheet simulator so it will depend on actual encounter

[daring dove]

But I'm really hoping we start getting some strikers that don't care about aborbing stacks an instead get buffs based on the rest of the team aborbing them.

That's where you start getting synergies with characters like Yvonne & Laevatain.

An to be honest, the gameplay loop of just getting 4 stacks & them going pew pew is getting old fast.

So would be in the devs interest to switch things up with some future releases.

[tranquil burrow]

you just said you haven't even played her yet

[daring dove]

I have played Laevatain & LR. they work the exact same way in a sense. Absorb your heat stacks convert that into ultimate energy do your damage.

[tranquil burrow]

i mean you said "going pew pew is getting old fast"

ah well anyways

[daring dove]

You could easily make operators gain energy based on the teams using resources like SP or infliction stacks is what I'm trying to say.

So you have greedy operators like LR / Yvonne / Laevatain actually help fuel operators that gain their ultimates / damage based on other characters greed.

[outer ermine]

128k per

[tranquil burrow]

I complained about artificing mats bottleneck in survey

[daring dove]

Dude I went to 40

[tranquil burrow]

Give me more than 60/week

[daring dove]

I think they're purposefully time gating it, with future regions it will get easier to max gear.

[tranquil burrow]

Well I’m not sure if they’ll increase actual number of mats available, only our bill income

But would be nice

[daring dove]

Then towards the end region, it'll be easy to max artifice characters but they'll power creep that gear with new gear anyway from the next region.

Is how I see things playing out.

[tranquil burrow]

They don’t need to do that

Spenders are already getting a new character every 3 weeks, they’ll barely be able to keep up with artificing gear for new chars, let alone ever updating old ones

[daring dove]

They don't but they will, we'll get new 80 sets in the next region I reckon. That'll just be way better. But who cares we might not get the next region until 2028 anyway.

[tranquil burrow]

New sets are fine, it’s hard for them to be straight better and more likely designed to play around new units

I don’t want lvl 90 gear

[daring dove]

I reckon 10 levels per region, so 90 sets will be like 2029/2030 stuff an by that time we'll all be begging for them or quit.

That's the problem with live service games, They can take years to meaningfully change. But at least they're not static.

Also who made LR's plunge animation, that's the most low effort silly attack I have ever seen.

[mortal trellis]

tbf it’s not far behind essences assuming you had perfect knowledge of what you wanted to artifice starting on day 1

then again we also did get a 200 catalyst boost

i’d do the math on it but i’m lazy

[tranquil burrow]

Essences go by much faster imo

They feel like they’ll take around 2 weeks at most, probably a fair bit less

Compared to 4 weeks for artificing a set

I think I’d be set with just a 25% increase, so 80/week to keep up with new releases

[mortal trellis]

a maxed perfect essence should take 11 days on average yeah
9 days if you have monthly

[daring dove]

Honestly I struggle with the income to buy all 60 anyway, it's just about manageable if you buy literally nothing else.

[tranquil burrow]

There’s nothing else to buy except the 95% off gifts for a while

[daring dove]

Hopefully in 1.1 we at least get a second outpost.

[mortal trellis]

that does assume we 9/9 the equip, no?

realistically most are 6/9 and some even 3/9

like pog on pulsar

[tranquil burrow]

Completion is completion. No real need for 6/6/3 essence on every new char either

[mortal trellis]

difference is 6/6/3 actually benefits every step of the way

[daring dove]

Most supports are 3/9 or 3/6 anyway just caring about ult gain or another stat.

[mortal trellis]

no point in artificing int stat to 3/3 on an agi/str char

[tranquil burrow]

But since they’ve designed the system to be without rng and with an actual end that seems awfully close to keeping up with new releases, may as well make that slight adjustment

[mortal trellis]

ye that’s why i’m saying it’s less than 4 weeks

unless you’re a completionist

it’s probably closer to 2-2.5 weeks

which isn’t too far behind the 1.5 weeks per 6/6/3 essence

very few essences (at least that i’m aware of) want 6/X/3 or X/6/3

[daring dove]

Yeah, I only maxed out Laevatain, but going toward it'll be the bare essentials. Plus you can actually get a character to like 95% of their peak performance by just doing the first 2 nodes of each upgrade which saves you a ton more as the last node is much harder to succeed.

Only time it's an issue is if you're trying to hit an ult gain total.

[mortal trellis]

yup 2 —> 3 is more expensive than 0 —> 2 and 1 —> 2 combined

and it’s usuallty a 5-7% buff give or take

not to mention the fact that it gets diluted

[tranquil burrow]

So far I’m just about keeping up maxing out Laev, Gilb and now Yvonne

But I am on the slightly luckier side with artificing

Essences are ez work though

Could start maxing Tangtang essence today if I knew what it was

[daring dove]

My artificing luck is ass, but I'm ok with it. I can't really complain about my luck in other areas. I'm like 4 potentials away from having every single character max potential.

An I still haven't pulled a single 6* dupe.

[neat snow]

Geez

I'm swimming in dupes

[outer ermine]

pink names smh

[boreal coral]

Artificing those green cubes eating all my artificers. So I just swapped lae onto double slab 😭 and gave wulf the fully artificed ult set. Took like 40 attempts to 6/9 both slabs

[lean pawn]

Is there any other char that is good for clue efficeincy or mood drop

[tawny scarab]

I theorycraft some people actually dont play the game

[lean pawn]

huh?

[lean pawn]

What does that mean?

[tawny scarab]

I spent time in team building and lost my sanity

[drifting quest]

there is a large disconnect between actual tc and the rest

in this channel as well

[lean pawn]

Is there any char that I can replace when one of these chars are not able to work no more?

[tawny scarab]

This guy asked how to make lvl 70 armor even after being in wuling with a sky forge

[lean pawn]

Some people skip tutorial due to fomo

[honest hill]

guys how does arts intensity affect perlica arts dmg taken debuff

[drifting quest]

% increase as shown by the stat screen

or i can grab the formula if you prefer

[daring dove]

Slightly off-topic but some of the random NPC's in this game. 🔥

[honest hill]

can u show

[drifting quest]

just wait for the actual npc jail characters

[neat snow]

This is best for that room. All other options are for specific clues I think

[drifting quest]

2 xArts Intensity / (Arts Intensity + 300)

[honest hill]

what does arts intensity do for her exactly

[gaunt mason]

dumb question but is the finisher actually 900%? everything else in my sheet matches up but i can never get the finisher to match actual damage

[drifting quest]

the electrification effect gains a bonus based on that formula

[lean pawn]

I just need to replace when someone is brink to resting so theres none yet for clue efficiency beside these 3

[honest hill]

also what is effect enhancement

[drifting quest]

the multiplier the effect recieves

20% effect enhancement on a 10% effect makes it increase by 20% to 12%

[gaunt mason]

nevermind i forgot the finisher attack multi

[lime nacelle]

500 catties.

[lost dirge]

gil's ult field time is so short, bruh. Normally, it's not much an issue, but with yvonne....

[drifting quest]

something something literacy

[honest hill]

this is what it says rn

[drifting quest]

so the effect increases by 61%

[neat snow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/16DRzALeToKZ_HiSOiqs0jqilkldTot_x1BSHNrfiVSQ/htmlview

[drifting quest]

potentials on perlica?

[honest hill]

but what's the base

yes P5

[lean pawn]

where is this pinned in

[neat snow]

I found it on reddit lol

[oak vigil]

A bit of a side question to understand this properly-
you meant copies of Perlica or?

[honest hill]

This is not actually duration right?

[oak vigil]

I keep getting lost on gacha terms

aaaaaa

[honest hill]

I heard it was just 1.33 on the debuff

not the duration

[drifting quest]

Forced Applications (e.g. Perlica Combo are Level 1 unless specified otherwise)
A level 1 Electrification is 12% increase
At P4 Perlica applies a Level 2 effect instead

Level 2 Electrification is 16%

With the 61% increase you have that is 25.76% instead

[drifting quest]

dupes in this game, for both weapons and characters, are called potentials

[honest hill]

ohh okay

[drifting quest]

hence the notation of PXPX for chars

p0p0 is no dupes + 1 copy of sig

[oak vigil]

Yeah no, as far I remember Perlics only has duration buff of her electrification, no arts infliction buff from copies iirc???

[drifting quest]

p5p5 is both char and sig maxed

[drifting quest]

error in translation, p1 increases duration, p4 increases effect

[oak vigil]

OOOOOH

well damn

[lost dirge]

why even repeat 'p' anyway, just do P55, or P00 at this point

[drifting quest]

im sending an email to CS asap but which effects are actually right

keeps changing

[oak vigil]

My p147 Anton, his gluttony has no bounds

[drifting quest]

e.g. Gilberta and Yvonne p1 were widespread belief as being wrongly translated but after datamining it was confirmed they are working as intended

[honest hill]

btw for the gloves do I run aether tech or pulsar

[drifting quest]

Aethertech tends to be preferred right now

sometimes xiranite gloves

[honest hill]

I see I will run aether tech then

[dry kindle]

Forced with inflict consumption counts as number of stacks consumed

[drifting quest]

the arclight edge case of course

plus the other one that does it

alesh?

yvonne i guess even

[lost dirge]

does perlica want ult gain on yvonne team?

[drifting quest]

but you can argue those specify otherwise

[drifting quest]

depends per rotation more than per team

[lean pawn]

Does pog need etch this is less important for pog support who is more into art intensity and sp right?

[drifting quest]

maxed flow is all you need

[lean pawn]

Ye

[honest hill]

so for him will and flow

man I wanna build phys

but no lifeng

[drifting quest]

will isnt required

[honest hill]

oh mb ye

doesn't phys team need high investment

[drifting quest]

yes

just not on pog's dps elements

[honest hill]

everyone

[daring dove]

I didn't realize you get 16% ATK from PO Thermite, I thought it would be half of P5 (28%) that's pretty nice.

[honest hill]

in that team

[honest hill]

ye it's very good

[open hare]

[steep mortar]

Guys I don't have cannibal for wulfgard so ppl told me apperantly OBJ is rly good is that true ?

[drifting quest]

yes

assuming you use it properly (e.g. meet ult gain requirements)

better than clannibal for most people

[daring dove]

It's better than Cannibal if you're just going for heat bot Wulfguard & don't care about his personal damage.

[honest hill]

how much is needed

[drifting quest]

depends on laev pots

232 or 241 iirc

[steep mortar]

I don't understand why wulfs ult is good , it just applies that burn and he consumes it to give a tiny heat succ

[drifting quest]

roughly those anyway

p0 vs p1

[summer flower]

that's quite difference between shuo and striker.....

[honest hill]

if u have P1 it's 232?

[drifting quest]

241

[honest hill]

what does leva P1 do

[drifting quest]

applies combustion procing laevatein combo skill
at p5 resets combo cooldown

[drifting quest]

sp return so the rotation is faster but you need more ult gain to compensate for the lower energy from returned sp

[steep mortar]

Resets laeva combo cooldown ??

[honest hill]

ohh

[drifting quest]

resets wulf's

[honest hill]

sad my wulfgard only p1

[steep mortar]

Oh

[drifting quest]

ult gain is still the best you can do p4 or below

[steep mortar]

What's the ER requirements ?

[drifting quest]

it just doesnt do as much

[summer flower]

that is for buff slave

[drifting quest]

232 at p0 laev, 241 at p1 laev

[steep mortar]

I P5d him

[drifting quest]

you can sit him at the ~200 or so he is with minimal investment if you dont want to artifice wulf

which i wouldnt blame you for doing

still clears

just misaligns a bit

[honest hill]

so for most people they would pick clannibal

[drifting quest]

clannibal is really hard to fit into the rotation

it ends up being a dps loss for most people as a result

if they try force it's active

[summer flower]

wait wulf is 6*?

[drifting quest]

it can work but it tends to be a more high pot laev w/ charge build thing that has excess sp

wulf is a 5*

[summer flower]

ohh okay 5*

[honest hill]

so u would have to forcibly apply combustion like w ult

[summer flower]

so its doable to have p5

[summer flower]

sho arent you assuming laev team anyway?

[steep mortar]

This is what I have on him rn

How good is wedge on him ?

[drifting quest]

that I am

[summer flower]

with rest of team being specific supports?

[drifting quest]

which is admittedly my bad

[daring dove]

A lot of people have P5 5*'s already to be honest. It's kind of like early Genshin where the pool isn't so big so it's quite easy to max them.

[drifting quest]

im answering wulf questions in another server too

and they are support wulf

[honest hill]

P5 wulfgard

[steep mortar]

I'm debating if I should get wedge or jet or exemplar out of the box , will we be getting another one soon ?

[honest hill]

damn

[summer flower]

its not far enough into rolls

[honest hill]

which box

[summer flower]

to assume every 5* on every dude that isnt new player is gonna be p5

[drifting quest]

is this for laev or mdps wulf

[steep mortar]

Weapon

[summer flower]

4* you can

[steep mortar]

Laev

[honest hill]

no I mean what other weps in box

[drifting quest]

ok then yeah OBJ is optimal

[honest hill]

exemplar is for da pan

[drifting quest]

its like wedge jet deto exemplar

and wnn

[honest hill]

deto wins

[steep mortar]

Ye I was thinking of getting it to build ember

[honest hill]

[drifting quest]

deto is ideal if you have a good user for it

[daring dove]

I mean by the time you've fiinished your 4 free pulls for your first 6* you've likely got the 4* characters P5.

[drifting quest]

jet is good for cope lifeng stuff, or avywenna

[lean pawn]

Dam how do people get termite p5 a lot of pulls and luck huh?

[drifting quest]

or like estella too

[summer flower]

i'm still pan da p2

[honest hill]

perlica is a good user for it

[drifting quest]

wedge is a decent generic but only really yvonne to use it on

ignoring mdps wulf fluor meme comps

exemplar is just for dapan, basically

wnn is bad

like really bad

[summer flower]

and amount of 5^ copies for operators i already have p5 is kinda ughh

[steep mortar]

What about ember ?

[daring dove]

Thermite won't leave me alone I have pulled it 8 times.

[drifting quest]

ember does not want it other than a cope stat stick

[summer flower]

and medicority principle says there are guys with worse

[lean pawn]

I wonder if I should give pog forge instead, it has a higher chance to become p5 which means you can add way more stats

Ake in the future will prob need termite cutter more

[drifting quest]

forge...born scathe?

[summer flower]

baseline attack for 6* is different right?

[lean pawn]

Uuuh forager?

[steep mortar]

Ig I could have finishing call on her

[drifting quest]

do you mean fortmaker

[honest hill]

also sundering steel vs rapid ascent for chen

[lean pawn]

Fortmaker sorry..

[honest hill]

which is better

[steep mortar]

So what should I change for wulf ?

[drifting quest]

p2-3+ ascent wins, else sundering

[daring dove]

I think Examplar on Emblem is pretty comparable to Sundred Prince at P0. Minus the extra stagger gain. Sundred Prince is only really meaningfully better at P3+.

[drifting quest]

if you are adamant on not sharing thermite then you can consider it

but like kinda just share thermite

[honest hill]

what would be the diff between a P5 sundering and P2 Rapid

[summer flower]

reading stats between exemplar and sundered it was tough choice

meanwhile one of them is called cope stat stick

[drifting quest]

if you're doing dps ember stuff it's a workable stat stick it just tends to fall behind by a notable enough amount

[honest hill]

thermite on pog is the way fr

[drifting quest]

quite even, not sure exactly which is better

[fervent totem]

[steep mortar]

Isn't finishing call good on ember ? I feel like it's rly good cause i don't think I'll be making her a dps

[lean pawn]

prob wont be a thing in the future for second team building tho

[drifting quest]

nothing requires 2 teams

[summer flower]

explain why?

[drifting quest]

we might never get 2 team content

[summer flower]

or is it just based on some sheet?

theorycraft or feels craft, please present logic or cause for feeling

[honest hill]

the arsenal ticket shop refreshes daily for the 5* so I might be able to P5 sundering easily

[steep mortar]

@Shuo should I change smth here or am I good to go ?

[daring dove]

From what I have seen it's slightly better at P0 to be honest, but that's because you can get 39% ATK from P0 Examplar, an from P0 Sundred you're only getting 32% ATK while controlling her. Plus you get the damage bonus on Examplar, but obviously this assumes max essence so milage may vary.

[drifting quest]

sundered helps to staggermax which is what ember NEEDS to be competitive as a dps

ember also is somewhat reliant on critfishing to clear competently

more str than exemplar converting to more attack overall

ends up beating the tradeoff of satured damage%

[drifting quest]

factor in the extra str giving more

for attack%

[daring dove]

You're getting PHY DMG from Examplar though that makes up the extra STR loss more than.

[summer flower]

yea, okay now i'm bamboozled

[daring dove]

Sundred is definitely better at P5 though

No contest.

[summer flower]

first crit bad, then ember has to use this weapons cause it has crit rate

[drifting quest]

it doesnt compensate for the extra stagger and critfishing

[drifting quest]

bad chars use it as a crutch

nothing new

relatively bad before you get on my case about wording

again

exemplar is workable

its certainly not worth going out of your way to selector/buy for her though

[summer flower]

overall its very close between both of them

[drifting quest]

how big the gap is depends on how much you critfish and hit key stagger nodes

[summer flower]

if you arent saturating dmg % with gear like madman that is

[daring dove]

To be honest at P0 they're pretty much the same minus the extra stagger. But the reason I wouldn't invest into it is that's a lot of resources to put into a P0 weapon with max essence. When Sundred will scale better in the long run.

[drifting quest]

i mean yeah neither are good

making the best of a bad unit

[summer flower]

i disagree on that

[drifting quest]

you are welcome to

[summer flower]

QoL + SPless vunl

[drifting quest]

im not getting into the 1500th argument about ember

i do not care

[daring dove]

I'mma build Ember at some point, problem is I keep doing dumb things so now I have another.... Ice DPS to build first. God knows how long it'll be before I finish LR & Yvonne.

Hopefully before the end of the patch.

So I can start to save for the next characters.

[summer flower]

issue i see with ember is, i dont think ember wants to be in fire team

[daring dove]

Yeah I'mm eventually build the PHY team, problem is I have nowhere near the resources to build 3/4 more characters rn.

[summer flower]

Mom can we get fire lady?
son, we have fire lady at home.
ember at home

[daring dove]

An likely won't have for another couple of months at this rate.

[summer flower]

but fits to desing

maybe early in desing they wanted fire operator

[steep mortar]

Guys should I run ult gain guear for akikuri ? I feel like she barely gets her ult with the yellow set and also barley triggers her combo with laeva team

[summer flower]

but they decided to instead focus more on that side of physical

[daring dove]

Yeah I remember looking at some of the beta 1 character kits back in the day. Wondering what team I'd build when the game dropped.

[steep mortar]

Also Wich guear is for maximizing ult gain ? (For wulf/akikuri)

[drifting quest]

frontiers has some teams you can run it on when you need less ult gain (e.g. avywenna) but ult gain tends to be better otherwise

[daring dove]

An I remeber thinking Ember & Laevatain would be so cool together... An it looked like they had synergy back then.

[drifting quest]

2 redeemer seals, xiranite gloves, tide fall light armour

[daring dove]

Maybe I just didn't understand the game back then enough.

[leaden mantle]

say if I artfice a gear, can i transfer the previous gear artifices to a new and different one?

[drifting quest]

no

[gritty briar]

does akekuri even benefit from any set bonuses other than frontiers? or are all other set bonuses meaningless on her

[drifting quest]

she does not care for any others

[honest hill]

can frontiers be enough for her ult gain

[valid zealot]

Define your "enough".

[leaden mantle]

was that crit build actually better than the pulser one? welp. i guess I'm changing oof.

[honest hill]

like uh

[gritty briar]

i think that kind of depends on how fast you want her rotation to be compared to the rest of the team

[honest hill]

for mdps but for subdps nah

u go the arts intensity

[leaden mantle]

she's a mdps

[drifting quest]

in some teams yes (e.g. basically just avywenna hyper right now)
in other teams no

[honest hill]

if she is mdps for ur team then oblivion crit build at p5

[leaden mantle]

so its not viable unless you don't have p5?

[honest hill]

how much int and ult gain u need for her

[leaden mantle]

or a gilberta?

[steep mortar]

Redeemer seals ? Cant find it

[honest hill]

P5 gives her 30 cr

[drifting quest]

int stacking isnt a priority take what comes but dont chase it
ult gain depends on team and rotation a lot

[balmy jay]

[drifting quest]

buy it from wuling stock redistribution

[leaden mantle]

which is like 80% crit

[honest hill]

avywenna and leva team

[honest hill]

ye which is big

[leaden mantle]

god i feel jealous on that guy :/

[drifting quest]

crit perlica isnt a good thing there's just not much alternative for carry perlica

[honest hill]

I have her P5 but she is sub dps for me

[drifting quest]

a future electric dps set would take over from crit

[drifting quest]

depends still on rotation

[gritty briar]

500 int reaches cap but i don't think it's that important

[honest hill]

avy perlica ake gilb, avy doing 1 ult per rotation

with 9 spears

or can she do 12 idk

[drifting quest]

9/12 spear avy can go like just xiranite

[leaden mantle]

is there any point in changing my set if i don't have p5? right now, I'm using pulser... and I've maxed some of it out.

[drifting quest]

and you just ult before avy skill

[drifting quest]

yesnt

[honest hill]

but wouldn't gilb be on that set

[drifting quest]

xiranite gloves

as the sole ult gain piece

[honest hill]

ohh

[drifting quest]

3p frontiers

[leaden mantle]

is that a yes or no?

or middle?

[drifting quest]

because the avywenna rot is so long you can align her ult with avy skill

[steep mortar]

How strong is frontiers buff ?

[drifting quest]

not very

[honest hill]

but how much ult gain would u need

[drifting quest]

depends on extra factors

[honest hill]

if sayy u run thermite cutter

[leaden mantle]

I guess people are just really smart...

and I use my resources on stupid stuff

[steep mortar]

K I'll swap to full Ult gain on both my wulf and akikuri then tysm!

[drifting quest]

there's 2 setups of either xiranite gloves or redeemer seal

dependso n rot

could not comment further without looking into it

[honest hill]

w xiranite

[drifting quest]

electric is next on the list

[pure spoke]

https://youtu.be/TXILuJnw_gQ?si=T5zXOEXpc-ftd-UO

[drifting quest]

now that yvonne stuff is dying down

[leaden mantle]

do you think they will release a strong electric amplifer?

[normal tangle]

wym yvonne stuff

[drifting quest]

eventually? yes
short term? maybe mifu or fangyi but i doubt it

[normal tangle]

i mean they kinda have to

[drifting quest]

tc

[normal tangle]

imagine releasing fangyi with no support

[gritty briar]

we have Antal!

[honest hill]

I currently have 463 int + 24.6% eff

I share the set w xaihi

[summer flower]

What

Dodge into his line of movement

And they move thru her?

What's that

[pure spoke]

i didnt know that either lol

[summer flower]

It looks sus

[pure spoke]

why sus?

[drifting quest]

learning why dodging is so good in real time

[gritty briar]

wait it's a solo wtf

estella so strong

[valid zealot]

Something something about perfect dodge iframe

[gritty briar]

she can't even activate like half her kit cause no solidify lmao

[valid zealot]

That stage is honestly more annoying than hard.

clueless

[drifting quest]

more like 10 minute timer

[normal tangle]

it's monster hunter ruleset if you play that

[honest hill]

sussy iframes

[normal tangle]

iframes disable your hitbox, "counter frames" disable the hitbox of the attack

it's like how you can iss rajang beam and then just sit in it

perfect dodges are just counter frames

[valid zealot]

Now that I think about it

It's prob counter frame since it also doesn't hit AIs.

[pure spoke]

be honest tho. did you try to dodge towards the dash direction of matador because u knew it will work? not calling you out tho. its just something i didnt know at all

[normal tangle]

no i found that out completely on accident lol

[summer flower]

I'm saying I had way less close dodges

[normal tangle]

no sane person will attempt that 😭

[summer flower]

And was hit

[pure spoke]

[summer flower]

Maybe it operator difference?

[outer ermine]

[pure spoke]

i found out if you jump and dive attack on the matador you can slide on them and dont get hit. its rlly wonky with the hitbox xD

but the timeframe is extremely tight tho

[normal tangle]

holy tech

[leaden mantle]

is that crit perlica build worth doing if i've already artificed gear?

[normal tangle]

it's like fighting mantis lords all over again

[summer flower]

It's not tight side ot side for sure

[pure spoke]

good question

[leaden mantle]

even if i dont have p5?

[gritty briar]

i just wasn't aware the charges are only one instance of damage. I assumed it was continuous like dodging rhodagn flamethrower still hitting you

[summer flower]

It is continuous

You can get hit multiple times with single one

Done that been there

[gritty briar]

maybe the bulls just don't have a hitbox for most of their body and it's just their front?

[summer flower]

If I wasn't confused

[gritty briar]

well estella's still mostly in front of it for the first dodge though...

[pure spoke]

with chen it felt like their hitboxes were outside of their actual body. which is quite normal in games tho. so i always had to dodge earlier than it should be

[edgy crater]

matador only have 1 instance of attack, so if u evade it, u no longer hit until new charging lol

[summer flower]

And if you get hit?

[edgy crater]

same

[pure spoke]

wait dont u get hit several tiems and bounce around?

[summer flower]

That's how my memory serves me

[gritty briar]

i feel like i've had this happen but idk anymore

[edgy crater]

nah u dont, even if u get hit, its only once until new attack/charging

[pure spoke]

maybe its because 2 were charging

[edgy crater]

u just getting stun lock lol

[pure spoke]

reminds me of that rolling mob which juggles you midair

[valid zealot]

Let me hop on game rq.

[pure spoke]

im doing the same rn xD

[valid zealot]

Quillbeast.

Who do you want me to test on.

[outer ermine]

damn i hate me

[gritty briar]

surely we can't all be hallucinating how the bulls work

[valid zealot]

I hate you too don't worry.

[summer flower]

If Estellas hitbox doesn't lag behind her center

There is second sus moment

On final strike and radial attack

[normal tangle]

i've only ever gotten hit once by a single charge

i've been bounced around but only when both came at me

idk what you guys are experiencing

[pure spoke]

the more u know

[gritty briar]

well that confirms it then

[normal tangle]

i actually never noticed the snow physics

that's cool

[pure spoke]

in tutorial its also like that

after wuling we go to snow region in the north

[normal tangle]

i hope so

i love wintery aesthetics

[pure spoke]

same its my fav

[summer flower]

And double enemy dodging? First was it both attacks counted by that system?

[pure spoke]

i can try double dodge. bu i dont think it can trigger double dodge ebcause there is no 2nd hit

[summer flower]

Double dodge as dodge two guys at same time

[pure spoke]

oh

[summer flower]

And be in hitbox of both when dodge ends

[pure spoke]

iirc double dodge doesnt work

im pretty sur ei got pounded many times because of that. but lemem record it

[summer flower]

I think I seen it on YT just now

[edgy crater]

nope

[summer flower]

2:34

[edgy crater]

im sure 1 dodge 1 instance attack

[summer flower]

And it didn't look like it was double press of dodge button

[next helm]

crit perlica?

is this new tehc?

[summer flower]

Yea it's done like that multiple times

[outer ermine]

dodging in 2026

[edgy crater]

dats just p5 perlica in nutshell

[next helm]

Isn't perlica currently just a arts intensity character?

[valid zealot]

Yup dodge frames allow you to not take damage from both.

Despite dodging one.

[edgy crater]

depend on which team

[pure spoke]

u you guys got the answer?

i struggle to make them both dash at the same time xD

[next helm]

What team does she run crit then?

[gritty briar]

what is this about a crit perlica?

[normal tangle]

i haven't tried it personally, but theoretically it shouldn't work

[drifting quest]

some stages its better for electric to drop avywenna and run carry perlica

[normal tangle]

however that is exclusively using my knowledge from monster hunter not endfield

[drifting quest]

aka aoe mobbing multi wave umbral monument

[next helm]

cool

what do you run?

[normal tangle]

but it's like a 80% chance it doesn't work

[drifting quest]

perlica gilberta flex flex

[pure spoke]

1:09 im pretty sure i dodged 2 at the same time

[drifting quest]

there's some weird double dps arclight stuff but it doesnt appear to be good

[next helm]

That sounds like a team for me

[drifting quest]

defaulting to like ardelia akekuri or something

the gap between akekuri and arclight isnt so big for perlica stuff

and you can also just run avywenna anyway

[next helm]

Do you run ult charge?

or dps set?

[drifting quest]

on who

[next helm]

Perlica

[drifting quest]

dps if its carry perlica

arts intensity if its buffer perlica

[next helm]

Like what even?

[normal tangle]

not technically the same thing

[edgy crater]

oblivion perlica

with either bs/ulti damage set

[normal tangle]

you were still in pdodge iframes, so the countering didn't matter

[pure spoke]

wait wasnt the question if 1 dodge can dodge 2 attacks at the same time?

[next helm]

Pulser set or something else?

[normal tangle]

i thought it was if 1 dodge can disable both hitboxes

idk i think we have different interpretations

[next helm]

I have oblivion and have her lvled so would like to try this

[edgy crater]

should be tide surge

[pure spoke]

for me it sounds the same. because we are still in i frame mode

i am not a monster hunter expert tho

[valid zealot]

It's more like dodge iframe

[edgy crater]

or just watch dat solo trimmed perlica

[valid zealot]

Because off a certain time you will get hit again.

[gritty briar]

that second dodge seems to show that it works

[drifting quest]

current clears gravitate towards crit set but its a new thing so there's flexibility for alternatives

[gritty briar]

seems to have disabled both attacks

[next helm]

Cool

[boreal coral]

mobile players having a blast with this one

[normal tangle]

counter frames and iframes are different mechanics but they commonly overlap
successful counters will permanently disable the single hitbox that activated them. if you have no iframes and an attack has additional hitboxes (i.e. moving beam like rhodagn), then you will still get hit.
successful iframe dodges will disable your hitbox against any attack, but you can still get hit if you are still "inside" an attack once the iframes where off

like if you notice perfect dodging through rhodagn beam, you get hit much earlier because your iframes run out before animation does, so you have to spam more

[next helm]

Is this a meme or actually decent

[normal tangle]

perfect dodges have both counter and iframes afaik

[gritty briar]

idk it looks like the attacks were both disabled vit's clip. Dodge ended and both bulls did nothing and just pushed her around

[normal tangle]

i didn't see vit's clip hold on

[gritty briar]

the 2nd dodge

[pure spoke]

in mine i also got pushed around

[gritty briar]

i guess it's kinda hard to be absolutely certain though

that top bull might not actually be touching her

[normal tangle]

yeah vit's does look like it disables both, interestingly enough

[pure spoke]

sry im esl and im trying to understand it. maybe its because the word counter confuses me

[normal tangle]

i guess endfield counters are more forgiving

[normal tangle]

let me know what's hard to understand and i'll try to make it easier

it's a difficult mechanic to explain lol

[pure spoke]

so basically counterframe disables enemies hitboxes. and iframe is you dont get damage but doesnt disable them. so counterframes usually have more frames than iframes?

[normal tangle]

counterframe disables enemies hitboxes.
iframe is you dont get damage but doesnt disable them
so counterframes usually have more frames than iframes?

it's not about "more" or "less" they're just different

[pure spoke]

[gritty briar]

my assumption is that the dodges are both
making us invincible while also deleting the attack

[normal tangle]

they are a mix of both, yes

[pure spoke]

in the clip vin also dodged twice after the perfect dodge

[gritty briar]

the thing we were trying to find out was whether it would delete both attacks or just 1
we already knew it would make us invincible for both

[pure spoke]

but i dont think it matters because i dodged once and also got pushed around

[gritty briar]

tbh i didn't watch your clip cause discord player sucks on mobile and wouldn't let me skip to the part

[pure spoke]

i should cut them xD

[next helm]

what video? I'm only seeing old stuff

[edgy crater]

yeah the old stuff, iirc they show the gear isnt

or its different video

[outer ermine]

here we fuckin go again

[normal tangle]

this perplexes me lowk

can we just datamine the frame data fr

is that allowed or is that against tos

[gritty briar]

i assume it just deletes any attack your dodge is overlapping with when you start the dodge

[drifting quest]

datamining official files is a bit of a weird zone
discussing how to do it is a no no
discussing contents of datamine is fine if spoilered

hence prior discussion about the weekly shop rotation

[gritty briar]

and the dodge detection is quite huge, as we all know from dodging rhodagn flamethrower while being nowhere near it

[normal tangle]

interesting

[pure spoke]

3 sec clip

[gritty briar]

so you can dodge quite a bit of things without actually being in any danger of being hit

[drifting quest]

and now the various things like || rossi/tangtang sigs + essences, extra weapons, new (old) ore types, etc etc||

[normal tangle]

we know those?

[gritty briar]

the dodge detection is probably just way bigger than your actual hurtbox

[pure spoke]

lmao the way chen screams

[normal tangle]

sharing is caring you know

[pure spoke]

perfect dodge alrdy triggers so far away

[drifting quest]

they're in the files

whether they change in 1.1, 1.2, 1.3+ or not

[pure spoke]

so do we know 100% if tang tang is 6 stars?

[drifting quest]

know 100%? no
have a decent guess? yes

[normal tangle]

||well if she has a sig then like||

not much to guess there, i think

[drifting quest]

||Tangtang has her sig as well as there being a second, extra pistol which is likely her BP weapon. This would imply she is a 1.1 rate up 6*||

[normal tangle]

either way i don't think it affects current gameplay that much

[drifting quest]

||The same is true for Rossi, having her sig and there being a second extra sword. These could also not be 1.1 battle pass weapons, the data for Rossi and Tangtang could be in 1.0 but they could not be for 1.1 releases and naturally they could just change their mind so it is not guaranteed, only speculative||

[normal tangle]

you'll be saving for 1.1 anyway

nobody pulling yvonne fr

[drifting quest]

back to back

crazy

[valid zealot]

Can they come up with something new.

No one falling for that in 2026.

[drifting quest]

im still super curious what they fall for

before being converted into the financial scam bot

[pure spoke]

This clearly shows i got hit while being still in dodge i frame by the 2nd matador

[next helm]

Does m1 security work off field?

[pure spoke]

thats so weird wtf

[normal tangle]

some bunny girl server probably

[pure spoke]

i give up lol

thats some league of legends coding

[normal tangle]

server i'm in genuinely has like 13 people spamming invites to "18+ Bunny girl! NSFW" per day

[daring dove]

Mr Beast giving away millions again hu

[normal tangle]

yeah that's why i wanted frame data 😭

it's very hard to test

[pure spoke]

[normal tangle]

oh wait i think i see it

you dodged before the second bull's attack started

so there was no hitbox to counter yet

same thing rhodagn does, kinda

[pure spoke]

[valid zealot]

Not quite.

The timing was the same as mine.

[valid zealot]

How do u explain this then.

IremWaitaMeowment

[pure spoke]

lmao

my explanation is. iframe gone - chen dies

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541760801968128/1474317472617467974/buxtm5fknfkg1.gif

[normal tangle]

in both clips, the counter frames only affected one of the attacks

the only difference from vit's clip (that i can see) is that you were much further away in one of them and the bull's were slightly separated, so you probably only "perfect dodged" one of them

and in the second one you were a little too early

vit activated their perfect dodge while in the middle of both bulls as they were already charging

[valid zealot]

Imagine it's performance diff.

runfast

[pure spoke]

u mean skill issue?

[valid zealot]

No.

[normal tangle]

if that's the case i give up lol

[valid zealot]

Not necessarily because I am better.

Even though I am.

[normal tangle]

assuming you mean framerate

[pure spoke]

but did u get trimmed medal on day 1 at launch

[proud vector]

Watch dodges work by whitelisting hurtboxes

[valid zealot]

I didn't even know it existed.

clueless

[pure spoke]

[normal tangle]

new speedrun tech yall tap in

countermaxxing

[pure spoke]

what if i use rivertuner and set it to 1 fps

[normal tangle]

🔥 meta

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/im-so-fast-2frames-gif-26113047

[dry kindle]

What waiting for 1.1 does to a mf

[pure spoke]

slay the spire 2 is alrdy out?

[drowsy wyvern]

one more week

also do we know how much hp enemies in umbral monument have?

like how big their hp bar is

[drifting quest]

fullstop fodder

[drowsy wyvern]

(wondering if trial yvonne ult numbers are good or not)

[valid zealot]

smh NA EU plebs where ur trimmed medal

clueless

[teal pawn]

||Do we know the stats for weapons at least||

[normal tangle]

the one in combat drill?

[drowsy wyvern]

yea

[normal tangle]

combat drill yvonne is very weak

[drifting quest]

essences? yes
||Tangtang AGI/ATK/DETONATE
Rossi AGI/CRIT/FRACTURE||

again super stc

[teal pawn]

||Like I know one is Fracture but the other is?||

[drifting quest]

dont treat it as confirmed

[teal pawn]

||Rip my Crush DPS Tangtang||

[drifting quest]

||That tangtang essence aligns with the expectation of crush dps though||

[proud vector]

Ehhh

[drifting quest]

||Detonate is proc condition like Khrav and Detonation Unit||

[teal pawn]

||Most detonate weapons are arts-triggered so I'm on the fence||

[summer flower]

<@&956153874383781928>

[pure spoke]

what was combat drill again?

[drowsy wyvern]

event for trying yvonne

[proud vector]

If we look at the existing weapons under that type yeah

[pure spoke]

lol i didnt even see that

[normal tangle]

the headhunt free trial

[proud vector]

It seems to suggest burst as the main component at least

[pure spoke]

oh i see thx

[summer flower]

Yea, I understand lack of reaction is somewhat better than getting scammed

[pure spoke]

[summer flower]

But let's protect others

[pure spoke]

we get medals for those xD?

[teal pawn]

A bunch of them are also from infliction so like

[drifting quest]

||Yeah but it's not necessarily restricted to it. It could be on Physical Status or something. Could also be that she is arts as you said. Impossible to tell from the information publicly available||

[teal pawn]

It's a weird one

[pure spoke]

here thats the only medal worth flexing for me because of the date xD

[proud vector]

The Shatter Cyro support I’ve been looking for?!

[drowsy wyvern]

holy moly

[pure spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedruner-gif-20263880

[drowsy wyvern]

i still havent trimmed a boss medal/agony yet

tbf i havent even attempted doing so

[teal pawn]

If Tangtang ends up being Crush DPS I'll relegate my Endmin to Yvonne shatter team

[pure spoke]

if your ops are rank9+ and lvl 90 it should be possible. especially with essences build

[drowsy wyvern]

my avy has a good essence, m3 on battle skill but no lv90

[drifting quest]

if we're lucky we'll get a stream next week

[drowsy wyvern]

maybe i should work on that

[pure spoke]

ez clear

[teal pawn]

hopefully we get info on like

Tuesday

[drifting quest]

but we might just have the arknights experience and find out march 9th lmao

or march 8th for more eastern timezones

[drowsy wyvern]

nah theres no way its gonna be that ass

[teal pawn]

That's 2 more weeks

[drifting quest]

base arknights is that bad

[teal pawn]

[drowsy wyvern]

i know base arknights is that bad

but

[drifting quest]

4 days before patch

[teal pawn]

Isn't Yvonne banner also

Yeah

[drowsy wyvern]

i blame it on the publisher i forgot their name

yostar

[teal pawn]

I thought it's a week before

[pure spoke]

at first i thought u did a hsr reference

[drifting quest]

if we were getting hoyoesque stuff I would have expected drip marketings already

Didnt quite align

[normal tangle]

we would've gotten some drip during gilb banner

but it's radio silence so

[drowsy wyvern]

nah thats too early, im expecting shit next week

[normal tangle]

nobody knows tbh

[drifting quest]

1 month early drip marketings is somewhat of the norm

[drowsy wyvern]

and if not, i got slay the spire 2 to keep me entertained for the last week of yvonne banner

[drifting quest]

so that would have been 2 weeks ago

[normal tangle]

with 14d character rotations i can understand waiting

[dry kindle]

[normal tangle]

i wouldn't want to hype future stuff when half the characters didn't even get a banner yet

[drifting quest]

could be a 1.0 exception yeah

[drowsy wyvern]

did wuwa do drip marketing for 1.1 characters? last time i checked hoyo only started doing that after like 1-2 years of genshin release

[drifting quest]

remains to be seen

[teal pawn]

yeah

It's just the standard drip marketing

[drifting quest]

hoyo started it everyone copies it now

[drowsy wyvern]

damn

[drifting quest]

because it's good marketing

[teal pawn]

Except Endfield apparently

[proud vector]

I mean they spoilt the incoming characters didn’t they

Via silhouettes

[drifting quest]

yeah but nothing on order, amount per patch, rarities, elements, classes

[drowsy wyvern]

if you kept up with endfield before it dropped yeah

[pure spoke]

watch them announce endfield 2

[teal pawn]

the tiniest of crumbs pretty much

We can at least guess that Tangtang is most likely to be first

[drifting quest]

There's also extra characters not included in that teaser in the files

[pure spoke]

how much money did endfield make so far? do we know any numbers yet? its been a month alrdy

[drifting quest]

Like Fjall, who was in previous CBT content

[drowsy wyvern]

im not that gachabrained to know, but i dont think its been doing that bad

[pure spoke]

fjall playable at halfanni

[teal pawn]

I'm ngl I feel like bro's scrapped

Wasn't he supposed to be medic class or something

[drowsy wyvern]

yea

[drifting quest]

||He got updated in files going into 1.0 so not scrapped, alongside iirc 2 new chars as well||

[dry kindle]

Ok but where my boc ange skin

[drifting quest]

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[dry kindle]

[drifting quest]

canon skins moment

[dry kindle]

We got summer skin mod but not boc smh

[drifting quest]

i dont think they're all canon anymore

[drowsy wyvern]

maybe me saving up origeometry will be a good move.....

[drifting quest]

they used to be

epoque and boc used to all be canon

epoque were past, boc were future

[drowsy wyvern]

ive played arknights for like 3 years and i didnt even know boc/epoque were canon skins

gg

[drifting quest]

it wasnt universal iirc

like i think hellagur skin was boc not epoque

but was in the past(?)

mountains boc one is his funeral outfit for his parents

[pure spoke]

imagine we get endfield skins alrdy next patch oof

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-oguri-cup-cup-happy-счастья-gif-541549796622235496

[drowsy wyvern]

ngl only gacha game i remember that does skins often is zzz, but idk if they drop skins every patch

[drifting quest]

i think most 2.x releases have had skins

for zzz

[drowsy wyvern]

genshin only drops skins like once every 6 months or some shit